BBW Roster?! Fake Conservative God Fearing ØNLYFANS Girl EXPOSED As Liar?! | Dating Talk #196

Date: 2024-09-16

Duration: 7h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLindsay (Music)>

LLindsy (OC Sales)>

AAthena (TX Homestead)>

CChris (Pink Pill)>

AAlexis (DT196)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Chris(guest)

SPEAKER_02Lindsy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brena/Paula/Alexis(guest)

SPEAKER_07Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Eva(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lindsay(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrena: "I'm a kinky Christian" — describes her identity as conservative, God-fearing, and OnlyFans creator simultaneously.

“I'm a kinky Christian”

QuoteBrena says God does not judge her for having OnlyFans. Athena counters: "The Bible specifically says not to be a stumbling block."

“I don't think God judges me for having an only fans”

ControversyBrian confronts Brena Black with video evidence (matching tattoo) of oral sex act. Brena denies. Paula (ex-military) analyzes video from tattoo/facial features and confirms it is Brena. Jake calls her a liar. Brena maintains denial throughout.

QuoteBrena admits to being insecure about having an OnlyFans: "I hate that I have to have one it really sucks I wish I was just a trust fund baby."

“I hate that I have to have one it really sucks”

ControversyBrian presents escorting rate card matching a profile linked to Brena ($1800/hr coffee date, $3k lunch, $5k dinner, $8k overnight). Brena denies.

OtherAlexis discloses on-stream that ~13 years ago she was a bikini barista, calendar girl, and high-end escort. Says she was in a bad place, found faith, and takes accountability — contrasting with Brena who does not.

QuoteAfter being called a liar for the video, Brena says: "I actually thought you were going to like me when I came on here."

“I thought you were going to like me like as a person”

QuoteChris (51yo) shows old photo claiming she looks the same or better than 12 years ago. Brian says she looked better then.

OtherTwitch raid sent to "Well Grandma" — an 82-83yo woman playing World of Warcraft retail (level 83 character). Brian calls her a legend.

Topics Discussed

Opening announcements / show setup

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara. Standard announcements: Streamlabs donations, TTS ($200+), Discord (discord.gg/whatever), Twitch simulcast, merch, Instagram DMs for guests.

Guest introductions

All guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Order: Eva (20, LA, pre-law), Brena (28, Houston, lingerie/OnlyFans), Lindsay (20, music/DJ), Paula (36, Boston, ex-Marine/dog trainer), Lindsy (36, Orange County, sales director), Athena (36, Texas, homesteader), Chris (51, Tulsa, Pink Pill creator), Alexis (34, married, stay-at-home mom), Jake (28, Australian, Rattlesnake TV).

Relationship status round

Each guest describes relationship status and longest relationship. Notably: Chris is in a relationship (promise ring, ~1 year); Alexis is married (11 years); all others single. Paula and Lindsy revealed as old best friends reuniting after 19 years.

Disagreements with the show / media bias in dating discourse

Chris challenges the show for leaning too heavily on blaming women; Jake and Brian defend. Discussion of whether men have comparable dating flaws (porn addiction, doom scrolling, lack of ambition).

Tattoos — attractiveness, mental illness correlation, deal-breakers

Brian and panel discuss tattoos on women. 1990 study cited linking tattoos to mental disorders. Jake says tattoos near deal-breaker on women (would not want wife's body tattooed). Panel split. Face/neck tattoos are universal red flags.

Video games as a hobby — red flag?

Quick panel vote: is playing video games a male red flag? General answer: depends on frequency/severity. Basement-dweller scenario = deal-breaker.

Porn and relationships — is watching porn cheating?

Eva says watching porn is cheating (engaging in one-way sex act). Brena says OnlyFans subscriptions are different from regular porn. Panel mostly disagrees that porn = cheating. Jake: undesirable but not cheating. Jake compares women's social media attention-seeking to men's porn use.

Brena Black OnlyFans confrontation — "conservative God-fearing OnlyFans creator"

Brena introduced as "conservative and God-fearing OnlyFans creator." Panel presses contradiction with Christian faith. Debate on whether OnlyFans is sex work/prostitution. Brena says God does not judge her; Athena counters using Bible (stumbling block, lust as sin). Alexis reveals she had same contradictions in past (escort/recovery).

Partner preferences round — what do you want?

Each guest shares what they want in a partner. Brian gives his full list: natural body supremacist, introverted/quiet/modest, low body count, no drugs/bars/clubs, back scratches. Eva: taller, dry humor, open to McDonald's worker. Brena: Andrew Tate/Joe Rogan type. Lindsay: no self-filtering needed.

Red flags you would overlook

Round: Eva: guy having female best friend. Lindsay: colorful past. Paula: won't overlook anything. Lindsy: hygiene (chewing open-mouthed). Athena: own flaws she cannot hold double-standard on. Chris: thinks too many women call everything a red flag. Brena: past drug addiction, gambling, felonies (has overlooked). Jake: can't cook (fixable).

Politics discussion — women voting for Trump vs Kamala; 2024 election

Eva (Republican) says she voted Kamala Harris; panel pushes back hard. Debate on Trump's grab comment, border/immigration, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. endorsement cited. Women's right to vote debate (Jake/male guests argue women should be eligible for draft if they vote). Athena says most women at table are conservative-leaning.

Women's peak attractiveness / aging debate

Debate: is the average 35-year-old woman hotter than the average 25-year-old? All panelists say no except Chris (argues darker skin ages slower, shows old photo). Brian says stats peak between 20-24.

Brena Black video confrontation — tattoo evidence

Brian confronts Brena with video from Discord viewers showing woman with matching tattoo performing oral sex. Brena denies it is her throughout. Paula (ex-military analyst) examines video and confirms identity from tattoo, eyebrows, nose, hands. Brena claims deepfake. Jake calls her a liar. Panel concludes she is lying.

Eva — virgin, waiting for marriage, political science views

Brian goes through Eva's pre-show notes: virgin waiting until marriage (would not have sex even if certain she'd marry him). Prefers traditional relationship with provider husband. Would stay home if husband provided. Identifies as Republican but voting Kamala.

Brena escorting allegation

Brian presents escorting rate card ($1800/hr coffee, $3k lunch, $5k dinner, $8k overnight, $500+ island trips). Brena denies. Brian says 80% confident on escorting vs 100% confident on video.

Alexis reveals past as escort/bikini barista

After confronting Brena, Brian reveals Alexis disclosed in pre-show notes she was a bikini barista, calendar girl, and high-end escort ~13 years ago. Alexis says she acknowledges it was wrong, found faith, does not justify it. Brena says this is hypocritical given Alexis judged her.

Interracial dating / Chris's book "Swirling"

Chris discusses her 2012 book "Swirling" — advocated for Black women to date interracially. 42% Black women single at time. Notes Black men date interracially more. Argues all races should date whoever they want.

Charm school / etiquette argument

Chris argues women should bring back charm school etiquette. Notes guest on previous show stood up without considering on-camera exposure.

When to have sex — first date vs. commitment gatekeeping

Discussion of making men wait for sex. Brian: making a non-virgin wait sends mixed signal. Reddit post read: woman slept with FWB while making boyfriend wait; he blocked her when she confessed. Alexis: slept with husband 3 weeks in, told him she wanted to marry him. Jake: promiscuity of past affects partner value.

True rate me / physical attractiveness rating scale

Brian shows Reddit's "True Rate Me" women's rating primer (facial harmony, midface ratio, eye area, skin, features, bones). Panel discusses objectivity vs. subjectivity of physical ratings.

Age gap relationships

Debate on age gap relationships. Alexis argues optimal is same-age or man slightly older (can play with kids, share experiences). Chris: depends on stage of life; 18+45 has maturity gap. Jake: 5-10 year male-older gap is optimal. Athena: younger men struggle to lead older women. Examples: Ian Garry (UFC, 26+40yo), Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Macron.

Most challenging thing about dating as a single person

Round-table: each single guest describes biggest dating challenge. Eva: men not giving enough notice (last-minute date requests are auto-no). Athena: men resistant to non-physical rotational dating. Chris: people giving up too easily.

Dating apps — swiping strategies, roster/rotational dating

Debate on men mass-swiping vs. women being selective on dating apps. Brian prefers women who show high interest and cut other men after first date. Athena defends having 3-5 non-physical prospects simultaneously as single mom with limited time. Brian argues 52 sequential first dates > simultaneous roster.

Divorce rates by orientation / gay relationships

Brian cites statistic: divorce rates lowest for gay male couples, middle for heterosexual, highest for lesbian couples.

Bear vs. man in the forest / would-you-rather round

Would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Eva, Athena, Chris, Lindsy: man. Lindsay and Brena declined/other. Joke round.

Closing / Twitch raid

Brian wraps show. Last call on likes. Twitch raid to "Well Grandma" (82/83yo WoW player). Show ends.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasevidence the hold on the evidence is pointing pointing allegedly towards you being a full-blown [ __ ] escort we've

Brian Atlashad women on who work at brothel who've who've had thousands thousands miles of penis and and they come on and they're

Brian Atlascool and they're honest and we and we show them respect maybe we joke about the mileage of the penis they've had but that's the extent fan of it but like to

Lindsaycome on and lie you're a [ __ ] liar you're a [ __ ] liar rebuked I just want to say I'm personally not judging you a lot of my friends no no no got

Brian Atlasmoving on okay back to great got back to you you [ __ ] spawn of Satan you um son not you her um so okay you're you're a a a Christian yes and your husband

Brian Atlashe's not religious or a Christian no he's not you said he's got like I can seven felonies from the past yeah and can be pretty wild even still you don't

Brian Atlashave to read all that I but but very by choice I'm sorry just it was in the notes I it was in the notes um you met

Brian Atlashim through his lawyer who at the time I guess I was dating wait yeah and you said I guess I

Brian Atlaswas just with the lawyer for the money being honest wait you dated his lawyer that's so she was dating the lawyer and

Brena/Paula/Alexisthen you met he's a criminal defense uh that's why practicing criminal defense a lot but yes I met my husband through the lawyer who you

Brena/Paula/Alexislawyer his lawyer but like how his criminal defense lawyer did you like walk into his work be like here honey here's your lunch and then you no okay I but she made the lawyer

Brian Atlaswait as well the the Felon got hit it hit it straight away it could be but you said you were with a lawyer

Brena/Paula/Alexisfor the money to be honest how did you date the lawyer it was a like a you know

Lindsykind of sugar daddyish situation okay is did he know this so technically your now husband is W oh those men were paying you at the

Brian Atlassame time cuz he was paying the lawyer and then the lawyer was paying you as a sugar daddy so you wow wow circle of life circle of life can I ask why you

Brena/Paula/Alexisdidn't want that red why I didn't want brought up yeah oh cuz I have I'm a mom of but then why did you text him I'm just CU I was telling him this stuff before I was I don't know what that

Brena/Paula/Alexisabout that part I just didn't I don't care about that part I'm fine with that part it was just the other stuff that I was hoping to not why you don't ever put anything out to to any it doesn't matter

Brena/Paula/Alexisthat much obviously I wouldn't have told him if I didn't think it came out in good graces I would say yeah I wouldn't have told him if I didn't think it might have come out but at the time I was saying hey I used to do this and it

Brena/Paula/Alexisreally it's bothers me that so many people make it look glamorous um but also In fairness you didn't want it coming out

Brena/Paula/Alexisthrough the chat right if like somebody that was watching you didn't put something and it like oh I like your

Brena/Paula/Alexisshow and I just wish that I could see people more like me on there but not me but you know what honestly I have I commend

Brian Atlasyou to say incredibly Brave try trying to get to back to the notes here you said one of the first things he ever told me is he had no interest in dating girls this is your now husband I believe

Brian Atlasyeah we were pretty much all [ __ ] and terrible people LOL and he hadn't even looked twice at a girl in 5 years so I was very intrigued was this after he

Brena/Paula/Alexiscalled all women [ __ ] or before yeah no like I one of one of our first interactions like I went to his house and did he have a ankle bracelet or what not not a bracelet the ankle monitor or

Brena/Paula/Alexiswhatever no this was before this was during the case and I was still I was with a lawyer anyways um and yeah he was just like women are gross he his he had

Brena/Paula/Alexisa baby's mom that from 5 years and he was like I haven't been with a girl for 5 years I don't like girls really because they're you know and he's like especially girls in art he doesn't like

Brena/Paula/Alexisgirls as in he likes no as in he didn't like okay so he um he was hurt he was like hurt by somebody yeah his baby's mom left him he's straight just to be

Brena/Paula/Alexisclear 100% just that's what I was assuming I just want yeah a million per yeah so his original first baby's mom had left him and dipped out and left him

Brena/Paula/Alexiswith two daughters one of them was like 2 or 3 weeks old at the time and um you know so he after that he just pretty much was like I have my daughters I have

Brena/Paula/Alexismy girls and I'm not interested in women at all and I'm like okay you know I wasn't trying to is he still his lawyer that's what I I was okay no no I

Brena/Paula/Alexiswas like that's maybe why I got theel over a very like did the lawyer find out yeah what that we got

Brena/Paula/Alexistogether yeah what happened well essentially my husband didn't get me and my husband didn't get together until after the lawyer lost the case and my

Brena/Paula/Alexishusband went to jail for an episode of NIS who got meded and he lost the case he lost the case for my husband and my husband thought he did it like kind of

Brian Atlason purpose because he kind of knew that we had a the lawyer lost the case intentionally because he knew that you

Brena/Paula/Alexiswere seeing well I wasn't seeing him yet but I think he had an indication that I liked him were you cheating on him or you talked about it before you got with

Brena/Paula/Alexisthe uh I wasn't cheating on him um but I just gosh liked he could tell that I was interested we said on this table I never

Brena/Paula/Alexisthought from dating a lawyer to interacting with one of his got bag criminal defense so as I said I have a

Brena/Paula/Alexispast the lawyer knew that I had a issue with substance abuse okay and that's how I met my husband I don't understand why lawyer

Brena/Paula/Alexiswould introdu were you the lawy your were you the lawyer's client as well or no she was dating the lawyer I was dating him did you know the did you meet the husband through the lawyer yeah the

Brena/Paula/Alexislawyer knew that I had an issue with substance abuse and he was like Hey I have client no you're lying no and he definitely does that stuff and he

Brena/Paula/Alexisthought it was a good idea to introduce y'all what a guy I don't think heever you our lawyer I'm really referals right there understood that like I there would be any possibility

Brena/Paula/Alexiswhatsoever that I would that guy's punching the air right now so muddy do we know if he's okay do we know the lawyer's okay he's I have no idea I I I'm sure he's

AthenaI just I I can't the amens is understand being a lawyer and introducing criminals we're both you guys both have you know addiction problem this is my girlfriend who was also y have that in let me

Brena/Paula/Alexisintroduce like were you like kicking it at the office and you saw your now husband walk in no and you were like God damn bro let me what actually happened

Brena/Paula/Alexisis um we met in the Red Robin parking lot for the first time ever did

Producer (Austin)oh oh oh Red Robin parking lot met it was paring after he's like oh maybe you

Brena/Paula/Alexislike lawyer ex lawyer guy said the ex lawyer said that my ex he was like trying to be nice like oh meet someone

Chriswho else he can hook you up wait trying to give you DRS wa yes oh I thought he was like trying to who has a better story than oh no she wins she wins she

Brena/Paula/Alexiswins this the American justice system these are who represent whoever this lawyer is he needs to be disbarred your lawyer should not who your lawyer should be disbarred who would put their girlfriend in a situation like that I

Brena/Paula/Alexisdon't want to talk about anything about that because that's not you know that's not any of my business at this point maybe it was a cuck the lawyer what is that like he wanted to be cucked by one of his

Brena/Paula/Alexiscriminal guy gets off on having what it was is like he genuinely knew that I was you know an addict and he was just trying to get like points or something

Brena/Paula/Alexisby like oh hey I've got this client that would be a good you know like you law no I didn't really like him either though you know the story is wild oh my God yo Chad what

Lindsaydo you think about the story that's crazy I'd say lawyer's fault now you shouldn't have put someone in a position where they're just alone everyone in Fault for their own actions we met that's I think yeah everyone has a part

Brian Atlasto play for sure was it night time or daytime it was nighttime even met was like the parking lot did they have those like flickering lights where the lights were all [ __ ] up it was very ghetto

Lindsayshe was in a TR that word it was very was there somebody like oding behind the dumpster no it wasn't like that felon must have had Riz imagine like knowing

Brena/Paula/Alexishe's being charged and then he still gets you that's crazy Over Law time I met him well he thought I was like working for the cops and I thought he was going to jack me that was like the

Brian Atlasfirst time that we [Music] met this is soir this is some Shakespeare Love Story [ __ ] right here well so okay you said you were used to

Brian Atlassimps this is after you know he said all these things you said you were used to simps and he genuinely didn't want anything from me and had zero interest

Brena/Paula/Alexisyeah except money and as a connect for drugs yeah and I had a policy too like I'm not going to date dealers oh

Brian Atlasyou oh you were buying illicit substances from him yes from the lawyer no no no from my husband wait is that why your lawyer got you

Brian Atlaslinked up cuz you were trying to score that's what yeah yeah oh 2024 love stories go crazy I thought it was more wholesome like that's what I thought Dr

Brian Atlasthe okay I missed that part the lawyer was like I got a client who can score you some holy [ __ ] that's that's what I said he did not like I stand behind my

Brian AtlasSt he to get hold on I'm going to send something crazy for this

Brian Atlasone I was going to say something but I destroy the whatever podcast okay uh let's see when we finally did go out together on our first date which basically only happened because he was pissed at the lawyer initially we got

Athenapulled over and we both got arrested oh my God yes that actually happened story time you did a lot of judging girl that have this

Brian Atlasstory gotta okay how long have youall been together like 12 13 years wait there's more I had a warrant they let him go I pocketed all of all his cash he

Brian Atlassat on his Dash in his car and bailed myself out of jail a couple days later with his money all this he was waiting outside hold on let me just he was waiting outside the jail for me at midnight when I finally got out we were

Brian Atlasboyfriend girlfriend after that and I cleaned up my life for him what was your warrant for uh probably possession and then I just didn't go to

Brian Atlascourt for it stop it get some help damn this is okay uh there's a lot we could get into but it would have it would be better with him maybe we should have we should

Brian Atlashave had him we should have maybe had him on the show coup's episode Maybe to at times he solely supported our family at times I have we've been together 11 years

Brian Atlasmarried six he is very uncensored opinion person um that was me trying to him to come on with me your children are with him is he here right currently no

Brena/Paula/Alexishe's got the kids in Washington we have four five fifth on the way yeah and then he has two daughters from a previous relationship that's crazy that's really

Brena/Paula/Alexiscool but you know there's a point there's a moral yeah that's dress that's part of it for wait can I ask what do he do now

Brena/Paula/Alexishe is a carpenter Foreman in the union that's respect that's respect and he's had a lot of good jobs did you guys recover together I know that's yeah he I

Brian Atlasgot into recovery first um and then he eventually di too cool that's sweet that's sweet I like that okay uh let's

Brian Atlassee crazy unique dating stories my husband got arrested first date oh you told okay you said that uh marriage kind hooking up right away when you have you

Brena/Paula/Alexismay have had a promiscuous past oh these were disagreements so marriage you have a disagreement there what's your discri there oh with you on marriage just because like my husband has the same

Brena/Paula/Alexisview point as you and I just think like so and then oh go ahead go ahead oh so like I said I told him well I want to get married to you like I love you and that's really important for me and I

Brena/Paula/Alexisvalue that and he was like well it's not happening and I was like okay so then like 3 years later he did um and he says like he he won't really say that it any cuz he's still not religious you know um

Brena/Paula/Alexisbut he says it definitely hits differently I guess you know the marriage hits different yeah like it's just different it's different it's more of a different type of bond

Brian Atlasthan just you know and so you and if I recall correctly like you you stopped having sex with him because you're like we need to get married kind of no well for 3 weeks you stopped having sex no no

Brena/Paula/Alexisno that's not what happened so I got sober and he was still not and then you know we weren't to get it's not that we didn't I didn't want to be with him or he didn't even want to be with me but

Brena/Paula/Alexislike your priorities and your values obviously changeed and I just couldn't be with him while he was doing all that and um and then when he got sober is

Brena/Paula/Alexiswhen I said said you know we we linked back up and I was like I want to be with you and I want to get married to you I just don't want to I don't want to do this unless I know for sure that that's where we're going to be are you

Brian Atlasreligious you're Christian right I am yes but so you're just gring S as far as marriage goes I don't know I really if if a girl came to me and was like I was dating her and she's like Brian gives me

Brian Atlasan ultimatum you got to get married to me uh are you guys familiar with the panta song critically claimed panta song Walk

Brian Atlasmhm you know you know panta really mhm eight jensy 18y old sorry 10 20-year-old listens to panta okay that good props walk

Brian Atlaswalk I'd say like okay okay my God this is so cringe I'm sorry I would play oh my God that was I don't even know where I was going to but

Brena/Paula/Alexisso I would play panta song walk walk goodbye so I'm not marrying you chick here's the thing my husband said I'm not marrying you and I said

Brena/Paula/Alexisokay well I hope you change your mind and we stayed together for 3 years after that and then eventually one day he's like okay it's time to get married and I didn't have to like push it or convince him or anything but I convinced him that I'm committed to him and I love him so

Brena/Paula/Alexisbasically it's not so much like I disagree with you I just think that any girl that would you know I'm encouraging that if a girl did care and whatever and

Brena/Paula/Alexisthat was important to her that it's not necessarily 100% off the table wait for me yeah oh it's 100% it's 100% off the table unless she makes more than me then

Brian Atlasit's on the table no PR well I'm just saying that's what they all say but see I don't really think dating strategy though well she she actually does have a good point like a lot of

Brian Atlasdudes will say certain things think certain things but a a lot of guys they're one [ __ ] away from going back to the plantation I'm [ __ ]

Brian Atlastelling you these guys could be the most oh [ __ ] I'm so red pill bro a lot of these dudes they're one BJ away from Back to the plantation so I'm

Brian Atlasme what does that mean exactly so it's like guys will be like oh I will you know I have these XYZ expectations of a woman and I'm not going to tolerate

Brian Atlascertain Behavior and uh or like they could there there's guys who are like black pill I don't know if you guys know what this is or like mgtow where they're like I'm

Brian Atlasswearing off women blah blah blah but then like a girl comes along and treats them well treats them nice so they're one BJ away from going back to the plantation and the plantation being a

Brena/Paula/Alexisrelationship having a loving relationship as if that's a bad thing that's a bad thing or just being at the of women but like my point I guess is

Brena/Paula/Alexislike there's there is compromise and it a woman can show her value and her Worth to a man and subtly change his mind in certain things especially over time you

Brena/Paula/Alexisknow what I mean like she doesn't have to be like you're going to marry me or I'm going to walk away and then he's going to walk away you know what I mean like you can subtly convince somebody that okay maybe maybe I value you in our relationship

Brena/Paula/Alexisenough that I know marriage is super important to you and you shown your commitment to me and that you'll be with me even if we don't get married so that I'm willing to give you that right but I could just turn this around on the woman

Brian Atlasand be like well if you really are willing to be so committed to me then you won't have to get married to me that's how you show your commitment to me is by not needing marriage and that

Brena/Paula/Alexisis what I did for 3 years and then my husband decided okay I think I do want to marry you I will marry a billionaire without a prenup I'll do

Brian Atlasthat that that's fair game so let's see hooking up right away when you've had you may have had the promiscuous pass I think we already touched on that we're good on that uh flaws flaws in the physical rating scale

Brena/Paula/Alexiswhat what are those oh I just think that's I just think it's really hard to objectively rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 I don't know I mean I think about it like um

Brena/Paula/Alexis[Music] mhm I don't know I'm from Washington state Washington State if you were going to rate it on a scale of 1 to 10 is probably a 10 so are some parts of California Pacific Northwest have you

Brena/Paula/Alexisbeen there it's beautiful you know what I mean not Seattle specifically but Mount Rainer and you know whatever the Pacific Northwest and that might that's

Brena/Paula/Alexismight not be your gig but I'm just saying like so is so are certain aspects of Florida but they're so different and they're so or California you know what I

Brena/Paula/Alexismean they're so completely opposite of each other so I think it just depends so much on like the nature of the person that's

Brena/Paula/Alexislooking at cuz I've seen so many guys on here be like oh Anna De armis she's a 10 she's a 10 she's the one and I'm like I don't think that you don't think that you know what I mean obviously there are

Brena/Paula/Alexiscertain aspects that we can all say certain things are beautiful I just think there's it's needs to get a lot

Brian Atlasmore Nu nuanced I just think there's so much uh hold on so we have something on this actually uh Austin you're going to pull pull up here hold on I'm actually

Brian Atlas[ __ ] wait uh one sec one sec I'm getting it I'm going to send it to you in the private chat so I mean there is some objectivity when it comes to uh physical attractiveness and Beauty if you can

Brian Atlaspull that one up Austin so this is from my Reddit called uh subreddit called true rate me and they do pretty interesting in-depth analysis oh can you

Brian Atlasjust open the new tab so we have the whole thing yes

Brian Atlasokay guys like the video just hit the like button P faor all right so scroll up wait is this the

Brian Atlaswait this is the women's rating primer can you make a bigger scroll big big big big we can't read oh really

Brian Atlasclick wait click on it there we go Zoom it out now okay uh bigger please okay uh step-by-step Reading

Brian AtlasGuide so you have we we won't read the whole thing but facial Harmony midface ratio eye area skin features Bones the rest scroll down a bit okay so you have facial Harmony

Brian Atlasscroll down midface ratio keep going uh feline hun eyes feline innocent eyes scroll down there's a lot of analysis

Brian Atlashere skin uh features face shape Nose Lips Etc

Brian Atlasbones they they bro wait go back up go back up to the bones the bones zygomatic bones maxilla man bro they the analysis

Brian Atlashere is crazy scroll down okay scroll down scroll down scroll down oh that's it okay um so they there should be an app where you put your face in it and they can there there might be

Brian Atlasactually we should we should do seen it anyways um there is certainly objectivity when it comes to fysical uh Beauty but uh you also you wrote primary victim of war was there a disagreement

Brena/Paula/Alexisthere on this oh no that wasn't a disagreement with you you wanted to talk that was a disagreement with so many people that I hear say anything but men and I have good I feel like I have some good other reasons that I don't hear get

Brena/Paula/Alexisbrought up a lot cuz they'll be like oh well men die but it's like men also get their legs blown off and then their wives leave them and then they have PTSD and then they're homeless on the street

Brena/Paula/Alexisyou know living near like a VA and stuff like that you see that and it's like no in every instance no matter what I think

Brian Atlasmen 100% are the primary victim of War um so that was my and then you said wait do you have a main opposition toward age Gap

Brian Atlasrelationships yes I do with that one and you said but you do disagree with people saying it's easier for older men to manipulate younger women or do you agree with that so no I have a disagreement

Brena/Paula/Alexiswith age Gap relationships um and then I also do think that it's easier for younger women to manipulate older men oh it's okay it's easier for younger women to

Brian Atlasmanipulate older but I do still I do still have disagreements with age Gap so what's your objection to the age Gap thing and going around the table let me open it up to the panel uh age Gap

Evarelationships have an issue with it would you date somebody older than you like decently older than you um I think it depends because my dad is like 35 so

EvaI wouldn't date somebody like that old but wait your dad's 35 your dad is 35 wa you're 20 36 30 I don't know you don't know wait you don't know your dad's age he was born in 1986 I know that so he

Evawow young wait no so he's 38 38 39 20 so he had you when he was 18 mhm so I would I would have trouble dating somebody who's

Evalike my dad's age but I think other people are free to do what they want 30 thir 38 39 okay

Brian Atlasum objections to age Gap relationships yes no no I'm fine with it no no no no I think they actually damn

Chrisyou're hella far from the mic that's crazy my back that's crazy how that happened my back I know I'm here it's my back sorry you have a nicer chair

ChrisBrian yeah we just sit here um I think that I they actually can be beneficial but I think that it depends on what stage of life you are you know if you're 18 and somebody 40 wants to date you you

Chrisknow it's a little bit and if doesn't matter it doesn't matter if it's a woman who's older or a man who's older I just think there's such an imbalance in terms of life experiences and just their development I just like give the chance

Chrisgive the kid a chance to like have his bra devel no it's like have the brain develop your brain doesn't fully develop until you're 25 Dev leave the kids alone till they're 25 you mean adults do you mean adults

Chriswhy do you say kids because you're blame to me you're you're a kid until you're brain is fully cooked okay that's 25 your frontal lobe isn't fully developed should people not be able to vote until they're 25 you know what that's a that's

Brian Atlasan argument that's an argument I certainly should people not be able to drun until 25 I think waiting till you're 25 to vote should they not be able to sign a legally binding contract until they're

Chris25 that could be argued yeah I mean listen we're living a lot longer now you know like the the age of majority hasn't changed since when and we are now living

Brena/Paula/Alexisuntil 80 90 years old so I don't know I don't think it's that bad to change it why not okay so what's the parameter on your age bracket for like where there is a

Brena/Paula/Alexisdifferential between like what age is too high or too low well I think that if you are 18 and the person who is

Chrisinterested in you is 45 I think there some experiential gaps you know there's maturity that both ways man or woman but let me just say this

Christhough I just think that it just depends my my father was 17 years older than my mom my guy is 13 years older than me I'm not against it I'm not TR I'm saying

Chrislike when there are when it's a huge gap so like in your 20s and 30s gaps yeah so if you're in your late teens and you're in your early 20s you know these are these are your major growth and

Brena/Paula/Alexisdevelopment times and so I think that you should be able to experience life and then what are did you lay out your Arguments for this uh no so I don't really necessarily have like a moral

Brena/Paula/Alexisargument I just think that it's very gives you the ick no not at all I think it's very ideal for a man and a woman to both marry somewhat younger and stay

Brena/Paula/Alexistogether because I just think like oh my goodness if I had dated a guy that was like 50 when I was 20 then by the time yes I can give him children but then he's going to be like a decrepit old man

Brena/Paula/Alexisyou know he can't like play with the kids the same way you know what I mean he can't like go and do not saying 50 is but by the time the kid is 20 or whatever he's like in on his deathbed you know what I mean so I mean I think

Brena/Paula/Alexisso are you approaching it from what's most optimal what's most OP I just think it's most and a lot of people say reasons why they agree and why they think age Gap relationships are good and I can see those points but I just think

Brena/Paula/Alexislike seeing my husband playing with our kids and seeing like even Jess in the past 5 years you know he skateboarded of skateboarded and stuff like that a lot

Brena/Paula/Alexisyou know and like each year those things do get more challenging you know what I mean so like doing all those things with your boys or with your kids I think it's

Brian Atlasgood for men to have kids young and for women to have kids young and for them to stay together and raise the kids young I mean I actually don't disagree with this

Brian Atlasthat probably the most optimal relationship Dynamic will be when people are closer in age but I don't think there's anything wrong with

Brian Atlasrelationships where there is an age Gap but I do think it's probably most optimal when the age uh is the same yeah it doesn't give

Brena/Paula/Alexisme the ick and like okay my dad is divorced and if he were to marry somebody slightly older than me or whatever I like go ahead like go for it Dad that's great for you but that's because he's divorced you know what I

Brian Atlasmean like I think it's more ideal for a man or a woman wait is it more it's more optimal for the woman

Jakewait hold on let me think this one through uh you go ahead while I while I Ponder this I was going to say I think it's most optimal for the man to be 5 to 10 years older yeah four or five yeah

Jakejust because there's he's had more time to develop resources and had more time to become a better leader and a better member of society and then for for a woman I don't think that's necessarily too relevant when it comes to having a

Brena/Paula/Alexisfamily yeah I think that youth is a good thing yeah t I think if a guy marries or if a guy meets a girl young and doesn't have those resources I don't think anybody should discourage him from say

Athenagetting getting young and having kids broke is is fine I would have a problem with that i' say optimally the guy would be a little bit little bit more yeah I can say okay so I'm 36 I've had some

Athenayounger guys approach me for dating and mil and um the the thing is is they

Athenacan't lead me because I have more life experience than them and I can do my best to support them but it always creates um Power differ yeah and so it's like

Brena/Paula/Alexistrying to follow you can't really respect the guy if if you feel like you're leading and you have more experience you're making decisions yeah absolutely I don't I don't necessarily agree with that I've

Athenadated younger men that I'm not saying they can't I'm saying what I've seen is a lack of maturity but whenever the those same guys date a younger girl

Athenashe's even less mature when he has more life experience so he can lead her even though he's not exactly where he needs to be because he has more experience than her it just kind of flows better he

Brian Atlashas more respect I think what I think that depends what's most optimal for the man is to date like if he's 30 would be

Brian Atlasto date like between 20 and 25 y but what might be most optimal for the woman assuming she can find this sort of relationship she wants at this

Brian Atlasage I do think it would actually be most optimal I feel like I'm almost arguing against myself here to to date a guy one two years older than her yeah or I don't

Athenaknow if that makes sense but like just thinking about it I feel like four is a sweet spot can I um can we go around and ask for the people who are single what they think the most challenging thing

Brian Atlasabout dating in this uh dating climate well I got to stay on the age Gap thing for a little bit here but we can get to that um so let's just even for those of you who think that or do have some OB

Brian Atlasobjections to age Gap relationships uh we can actually just go ahead and Grant your objections uh I have an objection well hold on so I'd like to hear like those of you who do object to ageg Gap

Brian Atlasrelationships can you make a compelling argument in terms of the benefit to the man for why he should date say a 35-year old over a 25y old that's what I would like to

Evahear go ahead um I don't have an argument for that I would argue that it's better to date a younger woman especially if you value having like a family and

Evareproducing mhm um cuz from a biological standpoint like younger women reproduce better I think mhm do you have anything you no I can't make an argument for the man like I said

Brena/Paula/Alexislike my dad wanted to date somebody significantly younger than him I would be like yeah that's great for you for her though she just has to know you know he's going to get older every year and that's okay you know if that's what you

Athenawant that's what you want what was the thing that you wanted to come in on then um I think the only time I think that there's something wrong with dating someone who is a lot younger is when

Athenathere's no intention of marriage so a lot of These Guys these older guys are like I want to innocent woman and they're like that's why I want to date a young woman but they're not marrying that woman what's wrong with

Athenathat because they're like well if they plan on giving her children if that's I mean if she doesn't want

Athenakids what if she does want kids and he's just gonna give her kids and not marry her what's wrong with that that's terrible why is that terrible I wouldn't concede to that I

Athenamean people can do what they want but I would not want to have a child out of wedlock okay well what if she's fine with it well she's fine with it then MH

Brian Atlastwo adults can do what two adults do right but you you seem even if she's open to it you still would object to a man who doesn't want to get married

Athenapursuing a woman who's you know she he's 30 she's 20 something like that um if she's not interested in marriage I I so I think that young

Athenagirls I don't want to say are EAS more easily manipulated um they are more malleable which isn't a bad thing MH um

Athenaespecially not for a man but I feel like he's robbing her of of the the marriage and the kids and all of that if he has

Athenano intentions of doing that now if she genuinely does not want that um then that's on her but I think a lot of young girls will be like oh yeah I don't want

Jakethat and then later on regret it you know that they didn't do it that way mhm yeah I don't think the burden of responsibility is really on the on the guy there cuz a lot of young chicks just want to go on boats and stuff you know

Jakethey just want to go on boats and go traveling and they get some older sugar and that's what they do and then if they regret it later it's like you should have had some foresight well that's kind of why I said

Brena/Paula/Alexistoo I think that older men can sometimes be more easily easily manipulated instead of the other way around because when I was a younger woman and had a lot

Brena/Paula/Alexisof older men hitting on me I would kind of look at them like granted I wasn't in the best state of mind but kind of like these guys are like suckers you know what I mean and they're so like they're

Brena/Paula/Alexisso like oh you're so cute and pretty innocent and it's like you know what I mean like girls are never really like that I'm not saying that they aren't but I'm just saying like I remember thinking

Brena/Paula/Alexislike it they were more almost more gentlemanly than guys your age that would be more like look at you

Brena/Paula/Alexisas they look at you like you're a young innocent girl you know what I mean and like guys your age look at you like a hookup or whatever but to your to your point right you just said like like oh

Brena/Paula/Alexiswomen in that younger age bracket are looking to be like on boats partying doing that stuff so let's say that you have a guy between 25 and 30 and he's looking at women in the dynamic of 20 to

Brena/Paula/Alexis25 because that's what the ideal and that's like when women are in their Prime but those women statistically now are not getting married and wanting to have kids because they're delaying that

JakeI think that the majority of them are completely not relationship material like we walked around the streets last night of Santa Barbara in the IRL and there wouldn't be one single one of

Brena/Paula/Alexisthose girls that we met last night that I do in Newport Beach Tred in Venice Beach so that's that I guess that's my point is right like you're looking for the woman not

Jakenecessarily like you CU you you do you do get like girls in that age bracket who are more switched on and who and who do have better intentions than CH doesn't for sure yeah yeah uh let's see so

Brian Atlas[ __ ] I had to follow up on that but uh you're making a point like also women they're more socially attuned than men so this idea like I feel like women can

Brian Atlasnavigate social situation like isn't that a thing like women are more mature they mature faster uh they mature at a younger younger age uh mentally or whatever uh so all this stuff about like

Brian Atlasthese older guys taking advantage of younger women like women are way more socially calibrated than men I've sometimes I've I have

Lindsaysometimes I've sometimes looked at in older yeah exactly I knew it was coming I've sometimes looked at people and been

Lindsaylike okay sorry sorry go ahead I've looked at people and okay I'm sorry I'm Sor go ahead goe you done I'm I'm done I'm done I'm done I've looked at people and been like oh you're just kind of a money bag like I could get you like I

Lindsaywas I I have done that and I'm being honest I was at an uh I was shopping at aan and some guy comes out like an older guy he looks at me he goes do I know you from somewhere or whatever starts

Lindsayhitting on me and then he hands me $100 and said can I buy you a smoothie and like it's just it it it happens No I gave my I gave my mom's number I sometimes when I'm not

Lindsayinterested in a guy I'll you give your mother's number she knows it's a joke we're like close and she just like it's just as a joke my mom would kill me oh no she it's just a joke to be honest so

Lindsaythen the guy like guy like older guys sometimes just want to you know calls my mom he she goes I don't know her and then he goes you sound kind of cute too can I get with you to my mom on the

Jakephone like just bro was just out here looking for some what about younger guys and older women I actually think this is an interesting whenever I see guys who get swindled by older chicks I always

Jakethink why why did you say swindled though well because look at Ian Gary for example who's a UFC fighter he's like a 26y old dude who's shacked up with like a 40-year-old woman and if he if he

Jakewants to do that I mean by all means but I think that young guys who have never been in a situation where they had a lot of options if they get an attractive older woman she can pretty easily

JakeWrangle him with sex you know an an experienced guy and especially a guy like that who's coming up and who's going to be a world champion one day I really think that like he got swindled and there's also the who's the One

JakeDirection guy who's dating the older the older girl as well One Direction are you talking about Christ talking the One Direction guys no it's not it's another one he's datinger

Brian AtlasCole by the way there's also we got The Crucible The Crucible raid hey Andrew I don't know if you're tuning in but Andrew I hope you had a good stream man uh that's Andrew Wilson Andrew Wilson

LindsayI'm not mad I'm disappointed and not to see you um there's a number of people that also in good to see you Crucible what's wrong with that no I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it I'm saying you're seeing Swindle but

Jakethere's also guys that like that like purposefully think young chicks have so many options that they're less likely to actually get manipulated by an older guy whereas I think young guys who can be

Evamuch easily much more easily manipulated by [ __ ] oh for sure what everybody says about Aon Taylor Johnson and that one lady is dating sorry isn't that what everybody say who the [ __ ] is that guy

Evasorry who how do you not know who that is Aaron Taylor what Johnson look him up he's dating the [ __ ] is that guy he's dating like a 90-year-old lady and he's like a very young like attractive looking that sounds like a what um what

Brian Atlasabout the president of can't get pregnant France oh yeah oh mron or whatever yeah isn't she like way way she's whatever well she was like the teacher she was the teacher or some [ __ ] Del re's dating an older guy she said

Brian Atlasit's age Gap Autumn okay so they've always got a freaking season for it haven't they yeah Haw girl summer Brad summer but like it's interesting this this whole like

Brian Atlaseasier to manipulate thing but what's interesting to me like if we look at the financial component of some relationships uh who's more likely to be

Brian Atlasspending money on the other person so like wouldn't that be a metric by which we could determine who's more easy to manipulate if you're able to sucker a guy out of like $100 dinner $1,000

Brian Atlasdinner at what's that s uh nou or whatever the [ __ ] it is um men spend way more on money than women ever spend on money so this whole argument of easier

Brian Atlasto manipulate men are so desperate for women they're willing to spend hard-earned money women are not willing to generally speaking to spend money in pursuit of getting a man so you just

Brian Atlasmake the argument men are easier to manipulate they're so desperate that they're willing to spend money to get a woman they're willing to spend money for their time for their attention now this is

Brian Atlasgetting into the realm of prostitution but women don't have this level of desperation like women y'all can just go get some dick you can get some male attention men they're so like for you

Brian Atlashow desperate would you have to feel to be like damn I gotta pay money to get some dick but like dudes do that well with okay so I get with women too as I've stated so well like I'm saying like

Lindsayif I go on a date with a girl like it's not like a set the guy's paying obviously there's no guy so I'm saying like it's kind of it's a different ballpark right but I'm what I guess what

Brian AtlasI'm trying to get at is that men are much more motivated to try to get female attention whether it be romantic or sexual that they're willing to pay for

Brian Atlasit which opens if men like if you are kind of like lukewarm about something it's very hard to manipulate you like if you're kind of

Brian Atlaslike I could uh I could take it or leave it it's very hard to manipulate that type of person but if you're a dude and you're like I am willing to throw my

Brian Atlas[ __ ] life away for [ __ ] you can manipulate that guy y that's easy to manipulate mhm that level of desire and

Brian Atlasmen have a much higher sex drive men are much more uh motivated men are much more motivated than women are when it comes to this uh

Brian Atlasso if you're mo more motivated if you have a higher desire you have a higher um uh drive for something then it's easier to manipulate you yeah so all you

Brian Atlaswomen are [ __ ] Predators you're all [ __ ] Predators even if you're dating a man your age you're all [ __ ] Predators

Brian Atlasokay I don't that what's that did that feel cool FL did it feel cool kill yeah did what feel cool my little rants or what you feel better I feel better now

Brian Atlasthanks appreciate it anytime uh so let's see um we got to get through your notes so God okay

Brian Atlasyou chill out bro uh let's see you said that uh you're a businesswoman who believes in TR Traditional Values but

Brian Atlasthrust thrust okay sometimes I use voice to text thirst thirst sometimes it it it puts something that I well you said okay into Independence because of choices I

Brian Atlasmade at a young age yeah because of who I married and the things my my ex-husband okay you said you could add some heat to the podcast be because my

Brian Atlascomments tend to get a lot of different reactions LOL uh MH uh the fact that everyone wants more than they offer you said yes people aren't self-aware and know what they bring to the table or

Brian Atlasrelationship and the current dating climate men want traditional women without being a traditional man and women want to be kept without being traditional women yep everyone seems to

Brian Atlaswant more than they can offer you're a big fan of intentional rotational dating yes without physical intimacy yes and that seems to get most men irritated because I'm a single mom despite the

Brian Atlasfact my ex-husband proposed after 6 month no physical intimacy and my son is from my sadly failed marriage when you say so when you say rotational dating what do you mean so that kind of goes

Athenaback to what y'all were talking about how you have that standard that if by the second date she's not cutting off all men wait let me let me double let me

Brian AtlasTriple down on this okay okay it's not that she has to cut off the men that she's already seeing on the second date mhm I don't want any dudes in the

Athenapicture to begin with okay so that's even another layer and and you can have that standard but women can also say

Athenauntil you have shown me that you are worth dropping all prospects I am not going to uh be exclusive with you I'm

Athenaand back to the streets you go and and that's and that's fine but that's why I say without physical intimacy cuz you can't say that and then be sleeping with a guy just like you

Athenasaid there are some women who will sleep with a guy and then be dating other guys of course that's 304 Behavior but um

Athenajust but here's the other thing because I know you've mentioned this um for me personally I do not expect dinner dates we can go and get coffee we can go to the park we can go and do things that

Athenadon't necessarily cost a lot of money just getting to know someone yeah okay just like a hike like a hike date would be awesome um but getting to know

Brena/Paula/Alexissomeone I'm more of a beach guy to be honest a hike date sounds like a really good way to get murdered so I'm anyways continue continue go ahead

Brian Atlasum well maybe not a first date there's this there's this one hiking trail so you do rotational dating though yeah so like you're in a relationship huh you're in a uh you're wait single no you're

Athenasingle right yeah yeah yeah but so you have a roster not currently no but you've had a roster before how big was the roster oh god um with with guys who are like genuinely int like CU you know

Athenahow you have people just mess it well no okay guys don't typically have that but women always have men messaging them right but out of the guys who are

Athenagenuinely trying to get to know me maybe three sometimes five but that's just getting to know that's talking does that make

Athenasense yeah and you don't have to agree but that's just how I why would I commit to someone I don't know I thought our roster was more like

Brian Atlassex it could it could be yeah but wait question so have you ever gone on a date and then the next day you went on a date with somebody else yes have you ever been on two dates in the same day with

Brian Atlaslike different guys I believe so yeah see that's just like imagine imagine hey look people do it I'm saying I would be able to go imagine first date this is oh my God I I really like this

Brian Atlasgirl and then you find out right after you you gave her like the ass out hug cuz she's like kind of playing koi or whatever you give her the Assad hug oh it was a really great date

Brian Atlaslet's do it again here's your doggy bag that I paid for she went out on a date with another guy right after you MH bro back to the streets she goes back she

Athenabelongs to the streets to the streets and I get what you're saying and I I I do understand what you're saying and when I think I heard you on another

Athenapodcast explain that and I was like okay I see what you mean by that but I am a single mom I don't get a lot of free time so and sometimes guys cancel so

Athenawhen it comes to first date okay you have a backup plan in place if they canel back there two separate dates planned this whole this whole okay so this whole roster thing way past my

Brian Atlasmental badwi I wouldn't be able to but this whole roster thing right people make it out when I say okay I'd rather I I'd strongly prefer a woman who's not involved with another guy strongly

Brian Atlasprefer a woman who after the first date she cuts it off if she is like talking or dating another guy not sleeping with because that's an immediate deal breaker for me I get so much push back but I

Brian Atlasthink like okay let's actually break this down so there's 52 weeks in a year mhm if you went on one date a week that with that's 52 men in a year now what

Brian Atlaswould and so like let's say you go on a first date you don't like the guy next week you go on another date with another guy you could do 52 first dates in a year without having to like

Brian Atlassimultaneously be like dating three dudes at the same time in the look I know it's not in the back in the 19 50s a chick would like maybe go on three first dates and that third dude's the

Brian Atlasone she marries and stays with her entire life MH now people got to go on like 300 First Dates before they godamn bro Desmond your chicken smells like

Jake[ __ ] um I'm sorry 300 first I thought somebody farted um the chicken yeah I think Brian's Point pretty pretty easy like just he doesn't want to be dating a girl

Jakewho's dating and it's like higher fast Fire fast if you if you date somebody go on one or two dates three dates over the course of a few weeks and if you don't like them drop them and don't be dating people in

Evabetween yeah if you don't like me on the second or third date cut it off and then move on to the next guy wait can I ask something sure so are you looking for somebody that's like like just solely interested in pursuing a relationship

Evawith you and that's the point of going on a date as opposed to like she said with dating around she getting to know

Brian Atlasyou well I kind of like when I I like high levels of interest from women I don't like this whole Chase thing I

Brian Atlasdon't like this whole hard to get thing I like you you like me let's be together keep that [ __ ] simple do you show the high interest too like is it reciprocated absolutely that's good but

Brian Atlaslike if a girl I I really like it when a girl demonstrates high levels of interest uh I like sometimes I'll ask them to do [ __ ] for me and see laundry first date see if

Jakethey do it yeah you're kidding no seriously I'll ask like pick me up from the airport well like you're saying you'd be surprised a lot of a lot of girls will foot massages at at at a strange T

SPEAKER_05danger like after a first date after maybe even when I first meet them just rude okay all right so that's that's when you first meet them you're going to

Chrisask them to pick you up from the airport yeah so let me ask you what is it that U what if she says she'll call The Uber for you but she won't go pick you up no I want you to come and make the effort

ChrisOh Come waste your time okay so how are you reciprocating her effort what do you mean like how are you reciprocating if you ask them to do things for

Jakeyou clean up do your laundry what do you expect her what do you oh well I'll pay for all the dates I'll organize all the dates I'll take the lead and do whatever we need to do so she has to just trust that you're going to do that and think

Athenathat well something that I value is acts of service so I'll ask them to do something for me at the start and if they don't do it then I think that that's a turn for me it's like a that's important but but okay so when you on

Athenayour first date what types of top topics are y all discussing for me my first dat I want to know if we share the same morals if we're going the same direction in life and if we have anything in

Athenacommon and typically by the first date I pretty much know if it's going to proceed on fur from that yeah that's that's why that's another reason why I ask people to or at least like maybe

Jakelike come meet me where I am you because I find that I find if they don't want to make the effort then often it signifies that they're really entitled so would you pick the girl up if she asked you first date it depends depends where we were if

Lindsayit was in my city and if they came to my city and if i' been just like you had plans and she's like let's say you were here you live here she's coming home from New York but you had plans to meet that day she's like oh I got home well

Brian Atlasyou pick me up and we hang out yeah sure if I have a car if I'm in a city where I have a car I'm a nomad so I don't have a car sure so was was there where was there a question for me here or what

Chrisabout the laundry [ __ ] or what yeah no I just I just think that it's for for the amount of responsibility women have in

Chrischoosing the right partner um we need more than just one date and just be like you and the idea that we're supposed to know but then at the same time we

Chrisclearly don't know like there's lots of people who don't know how to do this date thing and you want to have that

Chrislevel of Interest like just you because you want it and this and the thing is that there's so much well could you guys both agree so talk I think that Bri's

Jakecompletely right you want to see burning desire from from the day dot and if they don't and if they don't do that and then and if if iing about you that it means that there's something about you they don't particularly like you don't want that M well oh yeah I don't want I don't

Brian Atlaswant a fence sitter check who's like on the h d I need to go on like three more days before I've made a determination I want you haven't even [ __ ] met me in your I was about to say in love with me but maybe not okay that's a bit but so

Lindsythat's You' like that you'd like to have that high level where she's like ready to say I love you worship wow Obsession not stalker I think it would be good to like [ __ ] stalk putting time on

Lindsysomething just like let things like flow so it's not like don't no flow listen Brian that's not truthful because you would rather it

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