BBW Roster?! Fake Conservative God Fearing ØNLYFANS Girl EXPOSED As Liar?! | Dating Talk #196

Date: 2024-09-16

Duration: 7h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLindsay (Music)>

LLindsy (OC Sales)>

AAthena (TX Homestead)>

CChris (Pink Pill)>

AAlexis (DT196)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Chris(guest)

SPEAKER_02Lindsy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brena/Paula/Alexis(guest)

SPEAKER_07Athena(guest)

SPEAKER_08Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_13Eva(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lindsay(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrena: "I'm a kinky Christian" — describes her identity as conservative, God-fearing, and OnlyFans creator simultaneously.

“I'm a kinky Christian”

QuoteBrena says God does not judge her for having OnlyFans. Athena counters: "The Bible specifically says not to be a stumbling block."

“I don't think God judges me for having an only fans”

ControversyBrian confronts Brena Black with video evidence (matching tattoo) of oral sex act. Brena denies. Paula (ex-military) analyzes video from tattoo/facial features and confirms it is Brena. Jake calls her a liar. Brena maintains denial throughout.

QuoteBrena admits to being insecure about having an OnlyFans: "I hate that I have to have one it really sucks I wish I was just a trust fund baby."

“I hate that I have to have one it really sucks”

ControversyBrian presents escorting rate card matching a profile linked to Brena ($1800/hr coffee date, $3k lunch, $5k dinner, $8k overnight). Brena denies.

OtherAlexis discloses on-stream that ~13 years ago she was a bikini barista, calendar girl, and high-end escort. Says she was in a bad place, found faith, and takes accountability — contrasting with Brena who does not.

QuoteAfter being called a liar for the video, Brena says: "I actually thought you were going to like me when I came on here."

“I thought you were going to like me like as a person”

QuoteChris (51yo) shows old photo claiming she looks the same or better than 12 years ago. Brian says she looked better then.

OtherTwitch raid sent to "Well Grandma" — an 82-83yo woman playing World of Warcraft retail (level 83 character). Brian calls her a legend.

Topics Discussed

Opening announcements / show setup

Brian opens show from Santa Barbara. Standard announcements: Streamlabs donations, TTS ($200+), Discord (discord.gg/whatever), Twitch simulcast, merch, Instagram DMs for guests.

Guest introductions

All guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Order: Eva (20, LA, pre-law), Brena (28, Houston, lingerie/OnlyFans), Lindsay (20, music/DJ), Paula (36, Boston, ex-Marine/dog trainer), Lindsy (36, Orange County, sales director), Athena (36, Texas, homesteader), Chris (51, Tulsa, Pink Pill creator), Alexis (34, married, stay-at-home mom), Jake (28, Australian, Rattlesnake TV).

Relationship status round

Each guest describes relationship status and longest relationship. Notably: Chris is in a relationship (promise ring, ~1 year); Alexis is married (11 years); all others single. Paula and Lindsy revealed as old best friends reuniting after 19 years.

Disagreements with the show / media bias in dating discourse

Chris challenges the show for leaning too heavily on blaming women; Jake and Brian defend. Discussion of whether men have comparable dating flaws (porn addiction, doom scrolling, lack of ambition).

Tattoos — attractiveness, mental illness correlation, deal-breakers

Brian and panel discuss tattoos on women. 1990 study cited linking tattoos to mental disorders. Jake says tattoos near deal-breaker on women (would not want wife's body tattooed). Panel split. Face/neck tattoos are universal red flags.

Video games as a hobby — red flag?

Quick panel vote: is playing video games a male red flag? General answer: depends on frequency/severity. Basement-dweller scenario = deal-breaker.

Porn and relationships — is watching porn cheating?

Eva says watching porn is cheating (engaging in one-way sex act). Brena says OnlyFans subscriptions are different from regular porn. Panel mostly disagrees that porn = cheating. Jake: undesirable but not cheating. Jake compares women's social media attention-seeking to men's porn use.

Brena Black OnlyFans confrontation — "conservative God-fearing OnlyFans creator"

Brena introduced as "conservative and God-fearing OnlyFans creator." Panel presses contradiction with Christian faith. Debate on whether OnlyFans is sex work/prostitution. Brena says God does not judge her; Athena counters using Bible (stumbling block, lust as sin). Alexis reveals she had same contradictions in past (escort/recovery).

Partner preferences round — what do you want?

Each guest shares what they want in a partner. Brian gives his full list: natural body supremacist, introverted/quiet/modest, low body count, no drugs/bars/clubs, back scratches. Eva: taller, dry humor, open to McDonald's worker. Brena: Andrew Tate/Joe Rogan type. Lindsay: no self-filtering needed.

Red flags you would overlook

Round: Eva: guy having female best friend. Lindsay: colorful past. Paula: won't overlook anything. Lindsy: hygiene (chewing open-mouthed). Athena: own flaws she cannot hold double-standard on. Chris: thinks too many women call everything a red flag. Brena: past drug addiction, gambling, felonies (has overlooked). Jake: can't cook (fixable).

Politics discussion — women voting for Trump vs Kamala; 2024 election

Eva (Republican) says she voted Kamala Harris; panel pushes back hard. Debate on Trump's grab comment, border/immigration, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. endorsement cited. Women's right to vote debate (Jake/male guests argue women should be eligible for draft if they vote). Athena says most women at table are conservative-leaning.

Women's peak attractiveness / aging debate

Debate: is the average 35-year-old woman hotter than the average 25-year-old? All panelists say no except Chris (argues darker skin ages slower, shows old photo). Brian says stats peak between 20-24.

Brena Black video confrontation — tattoo evidence

Brian confronts Brena with video from Discord viewers showing woman with matching tattoo performing oral sex. Brena denies it is her throughout. Paula (ex-military analyst) examines video and confirms identity from tattoo, eyebrows, nose, hands. Brena claims deepfake. Jake calls her a liar. Panel concludes she is lying.

Eva — virgin, waiting for marriage, political science views

Brian goes through Eva's pre-show notes: virgin waiting until marriage (would not have sex even if certain she'd marry him). Prefers traditional relationship with provider husband. Would stay home if husband provided. Identifies as Republican but voting Kamala.

Brena escorting allegation

Brian presents escorting rate card ($1800/hr coffee, $3k lunch, $5k dinner, $8k overnight, $500+ island trips). Brena denies. Brian says 80% confident on escorting vs 100% confident on video.

Alexis reveals past as escort/bikini barista

After confronting Brena, Brian reveals Alexis disclosed in pre-show notes she was a bikini barista, calendar girl, and high-end escort ~13 years ago. Alexis says she acknowledges it was wrong, found faith, does not justify it. Brena says this is hypocritical given Alexis judged her.

Interracial dating / Chris's book "Swirling"

Chris discusses her 2012 book "Swirling" — advocated for Black women to date interracially. 42% Black women single at time. Notes Black men date interracially more. Argues all races should date whoever they want.

Charm school / etiquette argument

Chris argues women should bring back charm school etiquette. Notes guest on previous show stood up without considering on-camera exposure.

When to have sex — first date vs. commitment gatekeeping

Discussion of making men wait for sex. Brian: making a non-virgin wait sends mixed signal. Reddit post read: woman slept with FWB while making boyfriend wait; he blocked her when she confessed. Alexis: slept with husband 3 weeks in, told him she wanted to marry him. Jake: promiscuity of past affects partner value.

True rate me / physical attractiveness rating scale

Brian shows Reddit's "True Rate Me" women's rating primer (facial harmony, midface ratio, eye area, skin, features, bones). Panel discusses objectivity vs. subjectivity of physical ratings.

Age gap relationships

Debate on age gap relationships. Alexis argues optimal is same-age or man slightly older (can play with kids, share experiences). Chris: depends on stage of life; 18+45 has maturity gap. Jake: 5-10 year male-older gap is optimal. Athena: younger men struggle to lead older women. Examples: Ian Garry (UFC, 26+40yo), Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Macron.

Most challenging thing about dating as a single person

Round-table: each single guest describes biggest dating challenge. Eva: men not giving enough notice (last-minute date requests are auto-no). Athena: men resistant to non-physical rotational dating. Chris: people giving up too easily.

Dating apps — swiping strategies, roster/rotational dating

Debate on men mass-swiping vs. women being selective on dating apps. Brian prefers women who show high interest and cut other men after first date. Athena defends having 3-5 non-physical prospects simultaneously as single mom with limited time. Brian argues 52 sequential first dates > simultaneous roster.

Divorce rates by orientation / gay relationships

Brian cites statistic: divorce rates lowest for gay male couples, middle for heterosexual, highest for lesbian couples.

Bear vs. man in the forest / would-you-rather round

Would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Eva, Athena, Chris, Lindsy: man. Lindsay and Brena declined/other. Joke round.

Closing / Twitch raid

Brian wraps show. Last call on likes. Twitch raid to "Well Grandma" (82/83yo WoW player). Show ends.

Transcript

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Jakethe entire debate but the thing is that the bar is so high for him and the bar is so low for Cala Harris that she can get away with not actually saying anything the whole entire debate she

Jakedidn't say anything that was really substantive sort of policy position it was all a little bit very biased is a big thing Trump when he was

Lindsaylike quote failing like you had people like fact checking him Cala wasn't fact checked one single time anybody hear think that Camala won the debate I don't think she won but I do

Brena/Paula/Alexisthink that she got under his skin enough where he was very defensive he took the bite on the rallies I also do believe that she grabbed all the I'm only a debate Watcher

Lindsyvoters um because a lot of people don't do their research as much as you know maybe you or I or whoever does a lot of people don't they wait for the

Lindsydebate they say who who spoke better but in all reality everything she was say I to me it was like she was reading a book it

Evawasn't where have you been the last 3.5 years how about you political science what did you think about the debate um I didn't watch the debate but I like KLA and I feel like an odd one out yeah no

Evathat's all right what do you like about her yeah um I don't know I think she's well spoken and I think she's like personable and to me I think I also have like a like a familiarity by she kind of

Lindsyreminds me of like Obama's charm is there something that turned you on to her since she's been in office um that you know

Lindsywas remarkable or something that you think that you know is one of your main reasons Beyond you know what you had just shared I'm not like Pro abortion for myself but I like that she would

Evagive people the opportunity I just think why are you not pro abortion for yourself um cuz I don't I wouldn't get one but like I people should have the right to choose why not I just think it would be like very traumatic and like

Evanot the right decision for myself but I don't be traumatic on other people um I don't want metal Parts all up in my genital area so for you the abortion is more about the metal parts and how it

Jakewould hurt you rather than the baby that's ins I think that too like I wouldn't want a baby killed either yeah why would you if if so you obviously you agree that it's it is a baby it's a

Jakechild in in the womb M just I'm curious if you wouldn't do it and if you see the the moral danger in in abortion then why would you think that it's okay for other people to do it um I think that there are certain circumstances that it might

Evabe necessary and like if it's life-threatening for a woman to give birth what about if it's a financial issue um that too I mean if you don't want to like give birth to a kid and you're going to put it in poverty but

Brena/Paula/Alexisalso like maybe just give it up for adoption instead of killing it would be a better alternative life lifethreatening doesn't actually fall really under the category of abortion

Brena/Paula/Alexis100% I feel like anybody you ask who is for Cala the first thing that is always brought up is the abortion stance and that is the only thing I've heard from

LindsyKamal and she's a woman yeah and she and she's not Donald Trump that's the other one I'm curious to get back than Donald that's what people think to the to the criticism black other things

Jakeum just just just to tie a not on this one I feel like uh the pink pill you've got a bit of a YouTube Channel going on you've got maybe it seems like it's adjacent to the red pill or is it completely opposite to the red pill well

Chrisit's adjacent to the red pill only because it became that way um when I first came to the internet I was one of the few black women that encouraged

Chrisblack women to entertain all of their dating options I came out with a book called swirling what did you think about Kevin Samuels um I thought that Kevin Samuels

Chriswas um not not great not not overall not great um I think that he duded a lot of men into thinking that they were uh high

Chrisvalue I don't think that high value was actually described specifically um it was described as a a a financial marker

Chrisand also think Kevin Kevin Sam yes he did he said a high VI man is somebody who has who makes over hundred $100,000

Chrisor more um he has a network and it has to be like uh for a few years um he has a has to have a had a good Network and you know he's got sort of got to be

Chrissettled like those were the main things he didn't really talk about character and there would be a lot of times where he would say he actually invited me on the show I've actually know I I knew him

Chrispersonally just through the yep just through circling the drain with other folks and the in the space that I'm in unfortunately part I'm

Jakeinterested because I I used to love watching Kevin samuels' videos the way that he would get these black women on the show and they would be and he would have these arguments with them because it's such a different sort of world the

Jakesort of African-American culture because we don't have that in Australia at all um what particularly about it did you feel like he was deluding men about because you know there is an element of having resources that does make a guy

Jakehigh value I don't really particularly like that term but I think that if a man develops resources it is a very positive thing for his perspectives in the dating Market yeah but you're going to have to give me more on that list than just that he makes six figures well Kevin Samuels

Jakewas also an image consultant so he talked about dressing really well and carrying yourself well having a network of of other men and having purpose and drive and so six figures he can wear a

Chrisnice suit and he has some friends that's supposed to be something that I'm supposed to use what would if if if you if you had to say if you were in his shoes then then what would you mhm I would I would focus more first of all

Chriswhat I think so if I'm going to be fair uh there were a lot of women on the show that came on delusional but um I'm not going to

Jakepretend that Kevin Samuels did not feed into the delusions that's diting from the question the question was what would you say to men if you had to give them the advice oh about

Chriswhat yeah uh about what a high value man is yeah okay the first thing I would say is that it starts with your

Chrischaracter the uh the nature of a true man is Kevin donated 28 go on keep going the measure of a

Christrue man is not that he is never afraid um it is that he is afraid or he may or it may be hard whatever the task and

Chrishe'll do it anyway that is what a man ISO that's um someone who has character uh someone who has a strong

ChrisCornerstone of beliefs and values um they are thoughtful they are respectful of others they cultivate their

Chrisleadership skills but they also know how to follow other people and uh take instruction from other people um they

Jakeknow how to choose friends they know how to choose women um they Inspire they Inspire other men we take little bit slower so um a guy who's you know got

Jakecharacter and he's he's able to um what did you say first of all you said he's able to get things done even even if he he doesn't he doesn't always have to feel like he's not scared he no yes the measure of a man is is not that he

Chrisdoesn't get scared it's that he feels the fear and does it anyway okay cool um what what were some of the other ones um the other ones was that he knows how to choose good friends he knows how to

Chrischoose women um he's respectful of others he's mindful of um of where he wants to go and Direction wants to go now we're talking money is this the

Jakehierarchy because at what point does actually having a career for a guy coming I was about to get to that where does it come in is that is it after those or before those no I think that they should be in conjunction with each

Jakeother that's what makes them high value that's what makes them rare because it's both that's what makes the Rarity I would say that if you are building yourself and developing your resources and a career and and these sorts of

Jakethings you tend those are the characteristics that tend to come along with that for a guy so if you have to build something from from scratch then you have to be able to work with people you have to be a you can't be like a piece of [ __ ] to be around unless you're

Chrissort of are some Bitcoin millionaire or unless you're some scam artist or something like that which is a hollow hollow way to live that's not necessarily true I would say that um especially with the rise in stem and there's lots of people who are working

Chrisfrom home who are working in those fields where they're not getting a lot of interaction so we can look at the numbers and see that people are not interacting with each other like they

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Brian Atlasmost embarrassing we'll go around later we have techn Trooper ladies be real for SEC do any of you still feel some type of way about an ex does their memory

Brian Atlasstill hit you in the fields sometimes even though you're with someone new now spill the tea going around the table on this go ahead um I'm not with anybody new but my most recent ex I still like talk to

Brian Atlashim you said you've been single for one year yeah so that's your most recent X yeah so you broke up a year ago but you're still talking to him um some times yeah how you said you dated them

Evafor one year uh or about yeah that was no my longest relationship was a year but I dated him for like eight months okay how often did you talk to your ex

Evaor whatever um like once a day just like a little housier when's the last time you guys hung out in person like when we broke up we don't like hook up or anything like

Evathat so you haven't hung out with him in person no was your relationship long distance um no it wasn't at first but he moved to Oregon so that's why we broke

Brian Atlasup okay uh let's get the split going on this um so you broke up but you guys talk on the phone every single day no we don't

Evatalk like on the phone like not a phone call but we just like text each other I'll ask him how his day went or like what he did or if his day went good and stuff like that and so you guys are still friends yeah let's say you meet a

Brian Atlasguy and he's interested in pursuing a long-term relationship uh you disclosed to him that you talk to your ex nearly every single day in some capacity or another

Evahe finds this unacceptable he tells you to stop do you stop or do you continue I don't think I would continue being friends with my ex if I was like genuinely considering prospects with somebody cuz I would find that disrespectful and I wouldn't want that

Evadone to me I'm just curious though why do you continue speaking with your ex to begin with um he knows me well it's comfortable I guess I don't have to like tell somebody new about all the details in my

Brena/Paula/Alexislife can I say something go ahead don't you do you think that that might like prohibit you currently with dating prospects um I'm happy by myself right

Brian Atlasnow so I don't really want to like dat this is a good question that she asks how much time do you spend uh speaking to him in whatever capacity um like five minutes 10 minutes

Brian Atlasfive minutes a day okay uh do you still feel like you have a romantic connection with this person maybe did you love him yeah when's the last time you said you love

Brian Atlashim um probably like more recently than yeah probably like two weeks ago or something so you guys you're single you guys are broken up but you tell him you

Lindsaylove him that's interesting how that works did you say you love him as in like I love you as a friend friend or I'm in love with you well he was just like super drunken in Uber so I was like I love you be

Brena/Paula/Alexissafe all right uh we'll go around the table on this so uh do any of you still feel some type of way about an ex not an ex but I guess a man that I've gone on a

Brena/Paula/Alexislot of dates with but we never officially dated mhm I do think about my ex

Brena/Paula/Alexisum but he's gay so like he actually is um what so we kill of cereal donated

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Brena/Paula/Alexisgay did you know though like did he tell you okay no I didn't know so come up in conversation like how it wasn't um I actually you walked figured it out

Brena/Paula/Alexisafter we broke up but a lot of people were telling me who can you tell us how you figured it out well I was in Austin and I never go to bars and I just

Brena/Paula/Alexishappened to be out at a bar with some friends that night and he lives in that City and I saw the guy that I thought that he could be dating or hanging out

Brena/Paula/Alexiswith um because I saw them in a lot of Instagram photos with each other and the other guy was openly gay um so my ex doesn't really do social media or anything like that so there'd be no

Brena/Paula/Alexisindicator publicly but the gay guy approached me at the bar and made fun of my Wednesday

Brena/Paula/Alexisdress and said oh I'm hanging out with your ex and kind of hinted towards it he was with another gay so kind of figured it out so was there any ever any signs

Jakeduring the relationship is do have a cookies wrist or there was a lot watch watch some chick flicks with you or anything did you peg him I wish um but

Brena/Paula/Alexisno there were actually a lot of science yes and like well he never wanted to

Brena/Paula/Alexishave sex and he we used to smoke weed together be like really with each other

Brian AtlasI don't think so I don't think it was but that California weed yeah something wait okay so you smoked weed together what well in college cuz we were College

Brena/Paula/Alexissweethearts we would always hang out together and the smoking weed I feel like is uh something that stood out to me that he didn't want to do that with me anymore but he'd want to do it with his friends because I feel like it opens

Brena/Paula/Alexisa part of your mind whenever you're smoking or maybe taking some mushrooms and so you become like more vulnerable yeah vulnerable and open and and he stopped wanting to do anything like that

Brena/Paula/Alexisaround me probably because he was fearful about conversation and we could never really get did you ever allude to him did you ever say Hey listen are you gay

Brena/Paula/Alexisno how long were you guys dating seven years did he ever take longer than you to get ready or anything like that he never really wanted to get ready or go out with me um which I think was kind of

Brena/Paula/Alexisfitting for the time in my life building my career as a model and doing all that so he was really more roommate and not so you guys said you

Brena/Paula/Alexisnever had rarely had sex yeah how often did you guys have sex it's hard to remember but maybe like once every few months but there were

Brian Atlastimes when it was like more often than others but it doesn't really stand out to me I can't remember if you had to count how many times did you guys have sex total in seven years sure yeah oh my

Brian Atlasgosh I have no idea um less than 30 probably it's probably less than 30 in seven years okay I never really counted huh I never really counted how many times well I'm not looking for an

Brian Atlasexact number but I mean if it's below a certain amount and over a seven-year period of time it it wasn't really the amount though it was just like the feelings weren't there

Brena/Paula/Alexisthere was no chemistry but we were very close like best friends and I felt like I could I had somebody there in a state where I didn't have any family somebody who came

Brian Atlasfrom my college town were you having sex with other men during this period of time no okay

Brian Atlasum so if you had to estimate how many times did you guys have sex in the seven years under 30 times less than 30 less than 20 times no definitely so 20 to 30

Brena/Paula/Alexistimes yeah was it good no and it was it was always bad from the very start like I remember why did you stay with them for seven years it's like two times a

Brena/Paula/Alexisyear yeah well I didn't I only had dated virgins before him um so I stop the

Brena/Paula/AlexisC no I had a little virgin fetish and um to take it or just them I don't the Innocence oh God and

Brian Atlasum so I I was kind of naive I didn't really know thank you that it wasn't normalan yeah h okay um here let's get

Brian Atlasaround the table on this one what about you I need the question repeated at this point wait no do you still feel your

Lindsayfeel some type I actually also talked to my ex that lives in Oregon as uh friends mhm but it was after 2 years

Lindsayof not dating so but I don't feel any certain way about my ex I think I talked about it last time like the one a year ago okay no noncom what about you I

Athenadon't talk to my ex no I don't talk to my ex but re I don't talk to my ex but recently I kind of came up on our what would have been our one year and I started feeling some

Athenatype of way so the guys that I was talking to I was like I don't think that's really appropriate um if I'm still having those feelings I was like I think I need to take some time for me

Chrismhm I don't talk to my ex he made room for a better man mhm was he gay as well yeah

Christhe I thought he found a better man you made room clear the way so I can I heard that definitely okay uh I do have a question

Brian Atlasrelated to this we actually had a woman on the show maybe it was a year ago who said that well kind of related to this question have you ever been hooking up

Brian Atlaswith a guy could even be your boyfriend all the while you were thinking about a sexual experience that was Superior with

Brena/Paula/Alexisanother man um no I'm a virgin okay yes what was the was this with your boyfriend with like any guy that I've

Brian Atlasbeen with I think was there somebody better wait so every guy you've been with you've always thought about while having sex with them a previous sexual experience which was Superior just there

Jakecould be better so there's not like a gigachad that might be worse he's just stuck in the back of your mou maybe not worse not every time but who is he what what what did he do the gigachad the the guy that was supposed the guy that the

Brian Atlasguy who's stuck in the back of your head every time oh there's not one wait so while you're having sex with men you're thinking this could be better yeah every time you've had

Brian Atlassex maybe not every time most of the time you have sex yeah well I mean she was with a gay guy for seven years thank you well yeah but she's also saying that she's had this

Chrisoccur with other men she's had sex with virgins yes of course it could always be better right just kidding yeah that doesn't really make sense like why choose a virgin if you're expecting him

Christo have any experience I don't do that anymore oh okay my lesson with that okay what about you um end the mic yeah would be help

Lindsaythat that probably would be helpful wait what I keep blinking real quick what can you do you think about oh that I had my answer my I I was thinking

Lindsayof the answer um sometimes since I get with guys uh and girls sometimes I'll be with a guy and I'll be like oh my God I wish he had

Lindsaytits what yeah there are people like that now you know no not not like that not like that not like that so you just wish that you were with girl in that moment is that what you're saying

Lindsaysometimes if cuz I like a guy to be really dominant but with a women with woman I don't like them to be as dominant so it's like a difference in some so then are you with men that are feminine if you want them to be dominant

Lindsayand you're thinking about boobs I'm saying if they don't you're like I wish this guy was more dominant with titties yeah and if and even if he's totally not I'm like I feel like you're a girl so where's your boobs like

Lindsayokay that's that type of thing so you're sort of stuck going to be feminine at least have boobs you know stuck between a boob and a h place literally y that's

Brena/Paula/Alexisgot oh my gosh did you just explode us mhm I did I can't think of like a specific situation where I've been with a guy and I'm thinking about another man

Chrisbut I mean it's probably happened but like an actual no okay what no never into the mic not currently but I can't say for certain that I haven't

Chrisfantasized about Brad Pit every now and you know again while sex with a partner I don't know if it you know I can't definitely not with the current one but

ChrisI can't say for certain that it's never happened to watch masculine it's interesting I I've never I don't think I've I mean I've had good

Jakesex I've had bad I mean sex for guys it's like pizza you know thing I've heard I've heard guys say this before where they're [ __ ] where they're like sex with a girl and thinking about another girl I can honestly say I've never I've never I've never done that yeah when when I heard guys say that I'm

Jakelike it's weird like wouldn't you want to be in the moment CU you're doing the work you want to be immersed no what the I feel like if guys

Brena/Paula/Alexisare doing that that's like a product of maybe like over consumption of corn also going back to the thinking about your X thing I I don't know if this is just me

Brian Atlasbut like once it's it's over it's over amen like I'm not talking to like if I break you said that you started talking to

Lindsayyour ex as a friend didn't you say it's over over is over blocked deleted I'm not with my exes we were also we were all young and I I think that that's a little different but you

Jakecould disagree with that I just mean like you got to speak into the M I just mean like INX like we're just like uh casually dating you guys ever heard of monkey branching what monkey

Jakebranching is I assume it's something I'm doing right nowr when a monkey when a monkey swings from a tree it grabs onto a tree that it's swinging from and then it grabs onto the other tree and as it's swinging onto the other tree it's still got a hold of of the one tree that's

Jakemonkey branching I feel like that's what's happening when you're still talking to your ex you're like finding something better not 100% sure but not just willing to let it go I think you can be on good terms certainly with an a sure and have an amicable relationship

Brian Atlasamicable breakup but I'm not going to like continue to talk to her after the breakup like it's over I think it's also a bit different for me

Lindsaytoo because of the fact that uh like I said last time I'm sober I go to AA meetings and a lot of my exes are sober as well so I'll see them around and it just like friends are mutual still which

Lindsaymakes it a lot diffic more difficult I also purposely don't go to the same like meetings around here as they might the ones that they might be at but it's like the mutual friends and like the

Brian Atlascommunity of like being sober and being in AA well we're talking about something different here so the these men that you're seeing in the program or whatever uh it's like if you went to the same school and you were in some sort of or

Brian Atlasyou were co-workers or something sure you'd essentially you to some degree are forced to interact to some degree sure but most relationships there's really nothing that continues to bind you

Brian Atlastogether typically so in your case this man doesn't even live near you right he's long distance yet you speak to him almost every day I think I'm just not over it he's the first person that's

Evalike ever broken up with me and I don't that doesn't sit right with me you know what do you mean like you've broken up with all the other guys yeah so this is like an ego thing for you then I don't

Evaknow if it's necessarily ego I mean like you asked last time or whenever Lindsay was on last time if um people believe in love at first sight and I like think I felt that for him so it's also hard to

Brian Atlasget over because of that wait when did you meet him um in high school so in 2022 and you're 20 now so from what age

TTS Readerto what you guys dated from like 18 to 19 no we like one sec techn Trooper donated $200 ladies would it be okay with your current partner still having pictures of

Brian Atlasprevious lovers on their phone or their computer both explicit pictures and normal pictures uh really quick we'll do a hand rais on this one thank you techn Trooper for the TTS uh raise your hand

Brian Atlasif it would be okay uh with your current partner still if your current partner still had pictures of NEX on their phone or

Athenacomputer would it be okay would it be okay is it with a child though like if you have a kid with someone your ex and Y all have kids together and they have pictures of them

Athenayou know well so he's saying both explicit pictures and normal pictures oh no no I was talking about like okay cuz I have some pictures of my son and his

Athenafather on my phone right and I save that for my son okay cuz I do like photo books for him um okay I don't think that's I I suppose

Lindsythat would be encompassing yeah I feel like they meant nudes okay then nobody nobody you're dating with intention there should not be anything

Brian Atlasthat you have to worry about out in regards to your partner I feel like intention as in dating to Mary uh te Trooper thank you for the message man appreciate it so going back

Brian Atlasto uh what you were saying here uh you were saying that your ex he broke up with

Lindsyyou what were you about to say um I forgot I lost my train of thought do you remember no you asked her if it was an ego thing and you said no because it was like a love at first sight thing yeah

Evalove at first sight oh you asked if I was dating him since I was 18 no we just met my senior year of high school and then we started dating like my sophomore

Evayear of college so last year mhm like in um June and have you dated any guys

Brian Atlasuh since him um no even have you been on any dating apps no have you been on a date no nothing okay uh so you're still

Brena/Paula/Alexishung up on him then well also nobody asked me on dates really I swear nobody like approaches me mhm wait so is this like your first heartbreak then

Brena/Paula/Alexisrealistically like it's the first guy you've like genuinely been in love with no it's my second second okay wait so he broke up with you mhm and he was moving

Brian Atlasto you said Oregon was it mhm okay um what's the nature of your guys' conver ation like is there is there conversation about you guys getting back

Evatogether um no I try to avoid that like topic if it gets brought

Brian Atlasup does he bring it up um he has yeah what was the what was the thing though that you said about he was the only guy who ever broke up with

Brian Atlasyou I've had boyfriends before and I was usually the one to break it off mhm but you said it didn't sit right with you I think is what you said that he broke up with

Evayou so I guess I didn't really get like closure from it like I didn't get enough of a reason what what was the reason he

Evagave um that he was moving that seems like perfectly reasonable justification yeah but it's like I don't know it's just not enough to make me get over it I guess

Brian Atlasyeah like I understand it it's completely valid wa you don't have closure yeah what closure do you need other than him breaking up you for moving I need to get what okay what if he what if he were to tell you that the

Brian Atlasonly reason I broke up with you is I don't want to do longdistance relationship is that not sufficient closure and I'm assuming that's what he

Evatold you so um I don't know I just think like breakups are not always Mutual so it's like hard when

Evait's not a mutual thing haven't you done that to the multiple other all the other guys you dat did mhm was it Mutual no you ended it with them right yeah I'm not saying it's an unfair thing to do or like not a right

Brian Atlasthing to do he has like complete um ability to do whatever he wants but what other so you said you don't feel like you've got en closure

Evamhm like I haven't moved past it I haven't healed it it in myself it's not something that he can give me like I think closure is up to you you guys but you've been you only dated for one year

Brian Atlasright yeah like a little less than that been a year since you broke up right it's a long time to still be I mean probably I don't know it took me

Evafour years to get over my first love and I was like four years yeah I was like 14 I'm just like a person that really lingers on it on accident can I ask question I mean one one last thing so

Brian Atlasperhaps the reason you're not able to get over him is because you've been in constant communication with him for a year no not constant we didn't start talking until like a few months ago but now you're in constant

Brena/Paula/Alexiscommunication yeah go ahead your thing oh I was just wondering who initiates like if you were to not text him at all would he still be texting you every day

Brena/Paula/Alexisum yeah I think so okay so he initiates um we both do so if you didn't at all would you guys go like a few days days or week or month without talking I don't

Jakethink so I think he'd like send me a real or a snap or whatever okay is he um exploring his option where has he gone to college has he um he's going to community college in Oregon has he gone

Jaketo a different city what do you mean has he you said he moved yeah is he so he moved to a different city or yeah he moved to Oregon yeah so um is he exploring his options over there have you spoken to

Jakehim about that I don't know he probably is he's allowed to do what he wants so maybe you're just sort of getting kept on the on the on the line there you know having fun but then you're sort of

Lindsyhe's still got you for that but then couldn't you argue that I'm like doing the same thing to him yeah I wouldn't say it's got your feelings are more invested how do you know that well he brought because no man is going to let

Jakeyou go if he's in love with you and wants to be with you yeah do you think it's realistic to stay long distance for 4 years um like no not when it won't happen when you're that

LindsyI'm coming from a different kind of place of it I don't think that that would be essentially realistic but I think that there's a way it could be worked out if it was meant to I don't know he can't like undo what college he

Lindsychose to go to and what okay so could you move there or no no I'm going to school here okay and so it's not like an option to do any sort of transferring no

Jakeokay love it first sight you said mhm is he an athlete um no what did it look like was it sort of the Sun in his face and wind wind in the

Evahair and I just really like to smile like when I first saw him and he smiled at me I was like that's a beautiful man right there so he's good looking guy I think so yeah

Brian Atlasmhm fairmon yeah that um H interesting well perhaps we can explore it a bit more later I'll get through some more of the chats we have happily married here

Evauh why don't I have uh you read it you'll be our reader for us go ahead you me yeah go ahead read it please men who display emotions freely are dangerous and violent prone men must learn to be

Evastrong-minded and have discipline from strong male role models fathers need to step up women pick better men yo happily married thank you for the uh message

Brian Atlasreally appreciate it man uh well put all right we have Dylan Joe thank you for the uh message go ahead I love the USA But compared to Japanese

Evagirls the chicks here are so rude I asked a girl in Tokyo for a coffee date and not only did she accept but she also refused to let me pay what can we learn invite Japanese escorts to the Pod um so

Evaby the way if you're interested in Japanese women that last word that you used is a slur so I would just not call

Evathem that what was the last word J A that's like a slur I'm pretty sure yeah don't say that they oh me so horny me love a long time that's what they called

Brian Atlasthem in World War II when the bombers were coming towards I think he was maybe just trying to fit everything into I don't I I do know what you're talking about it is a slur but I don't think um

Brian AtlasI don't think that was his sure fair enough Japanese we should you know what we should get we should get some Japanese escorts on the podcast as long as we can get a bow we need to get the bow oh go I feel like they would be uh

Brian Atlasbe pretty nice um but uh yeah or just some Japanese girls on I don't know if we've had like from Japan

Lindsayany Japanese girls on the show but maybe in we'll see what's bow a bow yeah if she's an escort you

Brian Atlasmight get more than a bow if you're lucky noodles on the bench nice one uh let's see I think we're all cut up caught up on the chats why don't we do this

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Brian Atlasexclusive streams on there the streaming quality is better on there and uh who knows maybe MADD is going to start playing World of Warcraft we'll see it's in the works um okay so let's get back

Brian Atlason track here so I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes here so where do we start uh uh actually Austin can you pull up

Brian Atlasactually let's do Discord too we got to do Discord the BTS Tab and then we're going to do the first react that we have oh that's right okay just get it uh

Brian Atlasgoing again when you can and uh by the way guys by the way I just want to say chat me Jake and Madison we did an IRL stream last night it was very

Brian Atlasgood if you want to watch it uh it's on the live tab on our YouTube channel that's uh yeah you can ask out that yeah no you can keep that one that no that's fine um okay so guys posted the BTS of

Brian Atlasthe kickout from uh Tuesday on our Discord please join discord.gg whatever if you have Discord WE Post BTS I'm going to be posting all the hate mail that I get in that hate

Brian Atlasmail Channel and we're going to be doing uh some other couple other cool things on the Discord so be sure to check it out thanks guys and then pull up that first react that we

Brian Atlashave poor faor thank you guys appreciate it appreciate it also hash big laia matter very important cause just wanted to remind you of that I have no idea

Brian Atlaswhat that means but okay thank you appreciate it uh like the video guys so wanted to talk about this uh really quick though actually one sec

Brian Atlasp panel just show of hands do you think it's a bit either a bit of a red flag or an eyebrow raise if a man's hobby is

Brian Atlasplaying video games shove hands is it a unattractive deal breaker it depends frequency yeah I mean if he's in his mom's

Chrisbasement and he hasn't washed in a week and you know his underwear can stand up by itself it's probably a little bit too much video game

Brian Atlasplaying in my opinion okay so go ahead pull it back up so did you really pay for for skins

Brian Atlasin a video game and then uh cuz I guess you can fortnite you guys are familiar right scroll down and this is kind of the rebuttal did you really pay for nails on your

Brian Atlasnails I just thought this was that's funny so we're play paying for skins and video games and you guys are paying for skins on your anyways uh you can ex out

Producer (Austin)that one what are the other reacts that we have we have a picture of a bunch of woman we'll come to that one later

Producer (Austin)what's the uh next one it's the's next one a picture of woman with the tattoos no before that oh next one uh we have

Brian AtlasInstagram of lady I don't know who it is next one yeah really quick I just wanted to uh before we get into the pre-show notes

Brian Atlasum so tattoos um I wanted to have a conversation about

Brian Atlasthis deal breaker not a deal breaker do you object to Men Who uh don't find tattoos attractive on a woman I have tattoos I'm probably the

Brian Atlasone that has the most can you show the the shoulder ones or whatever what what it's a what's the naal star nautical star thank you that's what ninja stars that's what they are

Brian Atlasthere you go uh so Jake you have some tattoos do you have do you have Jake do you prefer a girl with no tattoos no tattoo but you have t so what what would you say to

Jakesome well you have tattoos yourself Jake that's very hyp critical of you is that a deal Breer it's a preference it is pretty close to a deal breaker for me I'd say yeah M well I'd say that men wear tattoos a lot better in especially

Jakeinto old age that's why I'd say so who here has tattoos what about one you have one tatto one I think especially the little ones I don't like them is that

Brian Atlastoo much Jake yeah that's too much too much okay what is that uh it's a feather isn't that like the New Zealand leaf or whatever yeah that's that's why we don't want that symbol of my tri Fern Leaf is

Brian Atlasthat what it's called the what's the New Zealand Lea I don't know that we didn't really talk to him it's not a New Zealand that's fair um you have a tattoo yeah how many just one

Brian Atlaswhere it's really [ __ ] my friend did it that's a laser job too much yeah it is a laser job it's awful too much Jake yeah she can get it lasered I'm Hing

Brian Atlasgoing to get it lasered I am going to get it laser okay uh you have tattoos quite quite a few yep um

Brian Atlastattoos T any tattoos I have two two tattoos tattoos I'm got tattoo way too far from M Tattoo Virgin I have no tatos zero tattoos all right I don't have any

Jakeuh tattoos but Jake you got a couple um so Jake why is it a deal breaker for you I just find it unattractive and I think that uh women don't wear tattoos as well as guys and uh it's just a preference of

Brian Atlasmine I definitely wouldn't want to date myself so h you wouldn't want to dat yourself no do you regret your tattoos no I love my tattoos okay yeah and then I do want to pose the question to chat

Brian Atlaschat do you guys prefer uh tattoos or no tattoos is it a deal breaker does it matter the amount

Brian Atlasof tattoos the quality of the tattoos um my position on this is that I don't think it's a deal

Brian Atlasbreaker um unless it's like a lot of tattoos or lowquality tattoos um but I would say that for most men I

Brian Atlasthink tattoos it's either neutral or negative now there's some some men who will think it's like they might almost have a fetish for it or whatever like

Brian Atlasheavily tattooed women but I think most men it's neutral or negative you're never getting into like positive oh she has a tattoo I want to

Athenadate her more it's either neutral I tolerate it or negative oh any any thoughts on this I I saw this study and it's um and it had to do with like they went with men and women they

Athenadid polls and for whatever reason thigh tattoos were more attractive on women and I can't remember what it was for men but also no offense to anyone who has a

Athenalot of tattoos um another study said that the more tattoos that you have the more likely for mental illness so for me personally

Brian Atlasa lot of tattoos is like red flag we actually have a study on this Austin if you can pick it up or pull it

Brian Atlasup please uh is it the girl no it's the study yeah um we'll we'll pull her up in a sec but uh says prevalence of tattoos is higher

Brian Atlasamong people with mental disorders and those likely to come in contact with mental health services psychiatric disorders such as anti are you going to pull it up okay such as antisocial personality

Brian Atlasdisorder you can make it a little bigger psychiatric implications of tattoos uh drug or alcohol AB drug or alcohol abuse and borderline personality disorder are

Brian Atlasfrequently associated with tattoos now I do want to be chair uh fair this is a study from 1990 I should point out that's big now

Brian Atlasto be fair I think the stigma with tattoos has decreased significantly since 1990

Brian Atlasum but uh still probably a bit true uh I do think it can be a proxy for mental illness or trauma so can't

Lindsaydisagree oh is that the case for you you said drug and alcohol abuse you know I I I got that I can't really argue on that

Brena/Paula/Alexiswhat what were the drugs that you were abusing uh I like pills well I'm in recovery too and my husband is as well and neither of us

Brena/Paula/Alexishave any tattoos so I'm just saying me personally um sorry go ahead do you have something yeah I was just going to say like for me I feel like tattoos are just

Brena/Paula/Alexiskind of like more rugged and like my like my husband he swears a lot and like kind of when he talks he says like a lot of the F bombs and a lot of that stuff and I just think it sounds so different

Lindsaycoming from my mouth or like a teenage girl's mouth and I kind of look at tattoos like that as well h okay I'm in the music so I kind of like my aesthetic like how it is like

Lindsayperforming wise I think it's like aesthetic on me and kind of fits and i' since I was a kid I've wanted tattoos so I mean I I know the stigma and I Know It All I personally like them I like guys with tattoos I like girls with tattoos

Brian Atlasmore I do think that's a good point that you raised though I do think tattoos tend to be associated with more rough women who might lean to be uh like less

Jakefeminine uh and Men typically find femininity attractive in women so uh I'd also say it's like when I when I see women with a lot of tattoos I tend to

Jakesee like it is quite chaotic I think there's quite a potentially quite a lot of Chaos in your personality if you make big erratic decisions like that to to Ink up your body whereas I think that

Jakewith guys tattoos gen generally tend to be like not a very big deal you know but if you I mean some girls really wouldn't like them but for the most part I've never had a girl who said to me I wouldn't debt you because of your

Lindsaytattoos I mean I disagree with that I think like if you're into tattoos and like have them I think a lot of guys like there's stigmas and everything but at the end of the day it's like my friends are tattoo artists I appreciate

Lindsaythe art of tattooing I used to watch videos of like the ancient tattooers and everything and like I appreciate the art of tattoos I'm like look at the beginning I looked you around I'm like oo what tattoo does he have and that's

Jakekind of what how my vision of tattoos are and like people see it like oh like you don't put bumper stickers on a Bentley but I like the art of it I like the art of it too and all of mine are like dot work from different I've gone

Jaketo different countries and gotten different tattoos around the world so I like I love the art of it I just I wouldn't I wouldn't want my daughter to do it I wouldn't want it to be on my wife and it's just a a preference of mine it's oh just um I had the question

Lindsaywith that mhm do you not appreciate the art like if a girl has a very cool detailed super nice like expensive tattoo as long as I'm not dating her I can appreciate it sure I see yeah for sure see

Brian Atlasthat uh it's kind of like you don't put a bumper sticker on a Ferrari you

Lindsayknow okay it's a thing like that's good talk what I said that's like people have been saying that forever that's what I

Brian Atlasmean yeah saying what forever the what you just said oh okay all right that's uh let's see here we uh oh the photo do you

Jakewant to pull up the photo of the what do you think Jake which one do you left or right honestly that's that's depressing to say that yeah definitely rot definitely

Jakerot interesting boobs yeah they did change the boobs they did she's definitely been doing some drugs since her teeth are different as well like there's different things besides her tattoos andd

Brena/Paula/Alexisbut that's like a very extreme too like especially fa I have tattoos but face tattoos and like neck tattoos are a Jailbreaker for me in a man even like and I do appreciate tattoos but I I

Lindsycan't do face or I think it's a red flag if a man has no visual skin on their body and every single part of him is tattooed incl like head to toe oh if

Lindsayhe's heavily tattoo I see I'm like what are you trying to over compensate for or get a fulfillment I just didn't appreciate her tattoos like I wouldn't look at her and be like wow that's a cool tattoo that I want to like analyze

Brian Atlasand be like what's the meaning like I that's why I don't think it's attractive okay very cool uh coming back

Brian Atlasto you here so Ava right Eva or Eva Eva Eva so it's like a option three okay say Eva okay it's Evangel in my full name so

Brian Atlasthat's why oh that's cool Eva uh you said you had a boyfriend who cheated on you is that the most recent one no the previous one okay he had another

Evagirlfriend the whole time yeah he told you that she was his ex he told me that she was his ex-girlfriend yeah so he said that like he had broken up with his ex when we

Evastarted talking and then we started dating and he was like continuing dating her the whole time and I didn't know how long are you guys together um like 5 months not that long and you said you think that actively

Evawatching and engaging with porn is cheating yeah um I think it's like engaging in a one-way sex act and it's if it's my partner that's doing it like that's you going outside of the boundaries of the

Brian Atlasrelationship and I assume this would apply both ways right if a woman were to watch porn she would also be cheating uh going opening this up to the panel do you think that uh watching porn while in

Brian Atlasa relationship is uh is cheating no but I don't like it you don't like it okay no not cheating not cheating like but do you dislike it if

Lindsayyour partner were to watch porn if it's like an only fan situation where they're paying the women but if they're just watching porn porn let that's what I'm saying I no issue I don't care okay same

Lindsyanswer that's her okay I don't necessarily think it's necessary so you don't you wouldn't want it right no okay I see it as cheating yeah cheating okay I think it's fun to

Jakewatch it together actually hm it's kind of sexy all right that's cheating that's deal Breer cheating Jake your thoughts I wouldn't put it in the boundary of cheating but I'd say it's very much

Brian Atlasundesirable right women find it undesirable certainly uh what would be the cuz I don't know if women consume porn at the same rates of men and

Brian Atlasthere's like obviously differentials between men and women here I wonder if the perhaps counter to women's disdain for their partners men watching porn

Jakewould be women who use social media would you say that it's a fair comparison i' say it's actually a direct comparison in in so far as not so much not used but like overly used social

Jakemedia have have a public profile and are doing where they get attention but it's like a gratuitous use of social media for attention as opposed to needing it for something any challenges there from the

Jakepanel I mean unless it's like your job like there's also yeah if you need it for your work and if you're like into marketing or if you've got something going on then like you if you were dating someone and you're posting on social media like that that's different

Brian Atlasyeah I using social media that's what you said it's I mean it's it doesn't map on 100% one to one but I think men are much more sex driven and women are much

Jakemore attention driven and you guys get attention through social media yeah I would actually say that social media for women is like what porn is for men in terms of instant gratification because men can just go and get their rocks off straight away but with women they can

Brena/Paula/Alexisget attention and like those are the two things that we both sort of go towards in terms of insant gratification I can see that because they can also be addictive they both are addictive yeah it completely

Jakedepends on the context well I mean what you're using generally speaking when when we talk about insant gratification for guys you're it's like a sexual thing right so if a guys are like people call them like incels they involuntary cant

Jakethen they'll they'll go on porn all the time just for instant gratification rather than doing the hard work but for women I'd say that attention is the thing that they go towards in terms of that instant gratification that actually

Brena/Paula/Alexismake like it it sort of ss your character a little bit but I still think it depends on the context of what you're doing on social media like what if you're posting stuff about your husband

Jakeor your kids say like that not you know if it's in the parameters of like a private account where you've just got family and friends and you're posting about your family then that's that's all and what I've heard talking about like

Brena/Paula/Alexisniche life experiences what do you mean as in like going going traveling and that sort of thing or as in like say like say like recovery related type of thing or like documenting you know yeah so it kind of

Jakefalls into what I was saying before in terms of having like a purpose to use it that's outside of just like I said like gratuitous attention seeking I mean I definitely think get like that it feels good to get like lots of likes or go

Jakeviral or whatever but yeah but it's more about like what's the intention behind it because if the attention is male validation because you see that all the time like you you'll see a girl who has

Jakea boyfriend who's just posting these bikini photos where her ass is out and there's all these thirsty guys there literally no need for that if you have a if you're in a relationship and that that for me would be completely unacceptable right 100% I can see that

Jakebut if you're just like but if she's got one of those like face like Instagram Pages where she's talking has like a little community of women and talking about their freaking chakras or whatever then and their dinner dates and their tea parties and [ __ ] like that's fine

Jakebut if if it's just if it's directed towards male attention then so if it's directed towards male attention you would say that's equivalent and DM DMS would probably be off unless you follow

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