HEATED Debate With Woke Feminist?! Boss Babe Picks Career Over PERFECT Man?! | Dating Talk #229

Date: 2025-02-19

Duration: 8h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Alina(guest)

SPEAKER_02Kelly/Other(guest)

SPEAKER_03Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brenda(guest)

SPEAKER_06TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mary Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_14Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions — all 8 women introduce themselves

“Brian: 'without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. Please tell us your name, age, location, occupation and education.'”

QuoteBrenda says she'd pick her business over a husband and kids if forced to choose

“Brian: 'husband children or Rave podcast and your business... which do you pick if you have to pick one?' / Brenda: 'it would [keep what I'm doing]' / Brian: 'the entailment of that is that you die single and alone' / Brenda: 'I love myself so I will be okay with that.'”

TopicMary Grace reveals she found her current boyfriend through the Whatever podcast

“Mary Grace: 'I am in a relationship thanks to you [Brian]' — she's dating a CFO (35) who watched her previous appearance, slid into her DMs, and they've been together 2 months. Brian: 'I'm invited to the wedding?'”

ControversyBrenda reveals she was 5150'd after domestic fight with ex on her birthday

“Brenda describes a domestic physical altercation with her ex on her birthday that led to her being handcuffed by police, taken to jail, then 5150'd at a hospital. She bit chunks of his arm while being choked. No charges filed. Ex had called 911. Story includes an OnlyFans subscription to her best friend.”

IntroAndrew Wilson joins remotely — just back from Debate Con

“Brian: 'oh look who it is hey Andrew good to see you man' / Andrew: 'oh do we have sorry I'm late... I was on a trip all weekend'”

QuoteBrenda reveals she had an OnlyFans that she paused when in relationship

“Andrew: 'if you're doing OnlyFans then you can't really have any moral problems with him if he's watching other OF girls' / Brenda admits ex subscribed to her best friend's OF page during arguments.”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round — guests rate their own looks 1-10

“Brenda: 8, Patrice: 8 (originally tried 7), Kelly: 6.9, Ivy: 6, Brian: 5. Andrew: 'I'm probably 4.' Discussion of whether anyone on the panel can be a 10. Debate over Megan Fox comparisons with Brenda.”

ControversyViral breakup TikTok reaction — woman mourning ex who dumped her after she moved

“Panel watches viral video of woman set to sad music detailing how she gave up career/improv troop/savings to move for boyfriend who then dumped her. Patrice most resonant — just lived something similar in Australia. Andrew makes sardonic comments about 'finding himself.' Brian: 'men are not relationship vending machines.'”

ControversyAndrew's argument: women's primary conflict tool is emotional manipulation/slander because they lack access to force

“Andrew: 'men always have an option women don't which is force... what they do instead is their kind of ways of fighting back are either through emotional manipulations or through the idea of slander.' Extended philosophical debate with panel. Brenda concedes women plot and scheme more.”

ControversyWoke feminist debate — Ivy argues women cannot be sexist toward men (requires power)

“Ivy presents academic 'prejudice + power = ism' framework. Andrew and Brian systematically challenge with examples (nurse killing men, woman serial killer, reverse Harvard quota). Ivy eventually concedes on racism against Asian people. Chat: 'the whole idea that sexism is Prejudice plus power is only held by people with room temperature IQ.'”

ControversyWould you send 100 innocent men to prison to prevent 1 rapist from walking free? — Brenda says yes

“Brenda says she would send 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years. Bailey says no. Brian invokes Blackstone's ratio. Andrew calls Brenda a fascist (via chat read by Alina).”

ControversyPatrice reveals her ex forced himself on her on 3 separate occasions

“Brian asks about Patrice's previous disclosure. She reveals her first boyfriend forced himself on her multiple times. She stayed because it was her first relationship and she grew up adopted in rural Pennsylvania, never feeling wanted. Says she eventually understood when she returned from Australia. Emotional moment — panel offers support.”

QuoteAlina: 'I do anything he says, he would never hear the word no' — train accident Patrice bit

“Brian plays Patrice O'Neal comedy clip about keeping your man after losing vagina in train accident. Alina: 'I do anything he says, he would never hear the word no come out of my mouth.' Brian has her repeat it for the audience.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Statuses

Brian introduces all guests. Each introduces themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then each shares relationship status, single duration, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom.

Types & Dating Preferences

Brian goes around the table asking everyone's type in a partner. Kelly describes wanting a 6'0-6'2" half-Black half-white athletic man. Brenda discusses her preference for light-skinned Latino men. Discussion of Rave culture and whether Brenda would quit raving for a relationship. Career vs. relationship trade-offs. Boss Babe mentality — Brenda admits she'd pick her business over a husband/kids right now.

Ivy's Late Introduction & Single Life

Ivy joins late and introduces herself. Discussion of her 2-year travels, breaking celibacy in October, her current crush (Korean-American, 37). NYC vs. LA dating comparisons. Rosters and situationships. Brenda explains her dating approach — roster of 4 potential lovers, sleeping with only 1.

Brenda's 5150 & Domestic Incident Story

Brian reads Brenda's pre-show notes about a past relationship involving a domestic physical altercation on her birthday. She was arrested, taken to jail, then 5150'd at hospital. Ex called 911, she bit chunks of his arm in self-defense while blacking out from alcohol. She made public statements about it online. They briefly reconciled after she demanded $3k rent from him.

Andrew Wilson Joins — Dating & Relationship Discussion

Andrew Wilson joins remotely. Discussion of red flags in women. Brenda's OnlyFans history and ex subscribing to her best friend's page. Ivy's story of Korean ex buying a dog together and stealing it + $3,000. Discussion of Color Guard and red flags.

Self-Ratings Round (Looks 1-10)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Brenda: 8. Patrice: 8 (tried 7). Kelly: 6.9. Ivy: 6. Brian: 5. Mary Grace declined. Alina passed. Andrew debated whether to push back. Discussion of aging, plastic surgery, Megan Fox comparisons, and whether anyone on the panel could ever be a 10.

Viral Breakup TikTok Reaction

Brian plays a viral video of a woman mourning her ex who broke up with her after she moved for him. Panel reacts — Patrice most resonant (just went through something similar in Australia). Andrew makes jokes. Discussion of whether he owes her money legally, common law marriage, women's tears on social media, and Socrates/Aristotle quotes on female nature.

Women's Manipulation vs. Men's Force — Andrew's Philosophical Debate

Andrew makes argument that women's primary conflict tools are slander/emotional manipulation because they lack access to physical force. Debate about whether men should open up emotionally to women (gives them ammunition). Discussion of women narrating their own behavior, men cataloging vulnerabilities. Ivy and Patrice push back from lived experience.

Traditional vs. Modern Relationship Values

Should women take husband's last name? Show of hands on various traditional/modern preferences: men paying for dates, leading, taking initiative. Brian argues men's romantic leadership practice translates to corporate success, explaining the 'gender pay gap.' Discussion of women wanting traditional relationship benefits while also wanting career independence.

Transgender Disclosure & Identity Debate

Do transgender individuals have a duty to disclose? Kelly says no. Ivy says it's straight to date a trans woman if she's had surgery. Andrew debates what constitutes sex vs. gender. Discussion of brain scan studies on gender dysphoria, vampire identity analogy. Andrew leaves the show at ~6:29.

Woke Feminist Debate — Sexism, Racism, Power Dynamics

Ivy's position: women can't be sexist toward men because sexism requires power. Andrew and Brian systematically challenge this with examples. Discussion of whether Asian people can be racist, the Latasha Harlins shooting, property rights and self-defense. Ivy concedes on several points. Brian argues men are primary war victims. Ivy fired from teaching job — disputes whether it was racism.

Would You Send 100 Innocent Men to Prison?

Brian poses hypothetical: would you send 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years to prevent 1 rapist from walking free? Brenda says she would (for 100, hesitates at 1000). Bailey says no. Discussion of Blackstone's ratio foundation of Western justice.

Gender Pay Gap & Women's Oppression Discussion

Are women oppressed in the US? Ivy says yes (de facto). Can people be racist against white people? Discussion of Harvard's Asian quota case. Brian connects women's romantic preferences (wanting men who lead, provide, pay) to why men occupy executive positions — men practice leadership traits in dating.

Patrice's Assault Disclosure

Brian attempts to get clarity on Patrice's previous disclosure about her ex-boyfriend. She reveals he forced himself on her on 3 separate occasions. She stayed because it was her first relationship and she grew up adopted in rural central Pennsylvania without feeling wanted. Emotional and sensitive moment. Panel offers support.

Patrice Honest Comedy Clip & End of Show

Brian plays a classic Patrice O'Neal comedy bit about what women would do to keep a man if they lost their vagina in a train accident. Panel reacts and answers. Makeup removal segment. Show ends with raid on Twitch streamer Grayson.

Transcript

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Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)way what's your definition of sexism I think sexism is like um I don't know the the I don't want to say like something that okay what I think it is

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)um is like basically someone that has a POS is in a position of power is um basically prejudiced towards somebody based on a specific like based on their

Brian Atlasgender yeah showing Prejudice based on their gender that is sexism in my in my definition so if a woman um Nur a female nurse has Prejudice

Brian Atlastowards uh men and um she's she has access to certain medications in the hospital and uh this is actually something that happens and then she either overdoses

Brian Atlasthese men on the medications they are taking or gives them medication that they're not taking but would would kill them for whatever reason um and there she's specifically targeting them because they're men she's not doing it

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to women she has some sort of like gripe specifically against men uh would this be sexism I think that because she is in a position of power right in that specific circumstance I do believe so

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)but I think what if she's treating a a really rich person oh I don't think we were talking about wealth at all right it was just mainly about you know yeah

Brian Atlasmale okay what about a woman who uh let's say a woman uh kills a bunch of men but there's not some sort of nurse

Brian Atlaspatient Dynamic there's nothing like that she just goes out into the street and just shoots three men because she hates men oh so she's just like a serial killer or something like a male serar kill uh sure okay is that sexist is she

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)being I mean in my definition it's like did oh sorry in my in my head it's like did she do anything in her life to like basically make these Men's Life worser

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like she just ended it right yeah she just ended it right worse worse wait so is is does that make their life worse um I don't know it just ended like what is their oh so is it not a big deal I don't know what what do they think right I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)don't know who they they're dead they don't think anything exactly so it didn't make their life worse some people some people believe that living is to suffer so maybe she ended their suffering it's the champag how about how about this let me let me let me ask you

Andrew Wilsonthis a different way maybe my face is red if I say if I say the following phrase is this sexist all women are good for is

Andrew Wilsonchildbearing is that is that sexist mhm yeah I believe so yes okay the following

Andrew Wilsonphrase sexist all men are good for is working I don't think so what right okay so now why is phrase one sexist but

Andrew Wilsonphrase two is not sexist even though they meet the same criteria okay both hang on hang on um if I can both Target he wait a second both Target A specific

Andrew Wilsongroup after they've targeted the entirety of that specific group they get specific qualifiers to that group expressing that they're only good for X

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)thing and not other things which meets your definition of prejudice so why is the first one sexist but the second one is not I think for me um like Prejudice

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)is like yes it's like some sort of preconceived notion but what I think is like the next step to make it like sexist is for that saying to actually impact their life so like if a woman is thought to be only good get at

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)childbearing that any job she applies for she will not get it because then the labor will be like the employer will be like just go have a kid like don't work you know but if a man is all he wants to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)do is to work sorry if what if Society think that all a man can do is to work and the man wants to be like I don't know what else could they if they want to be like a singer like they can still

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)do that right it's like they can work and oh yeah so if the man wants to like I don't know like relax I don't even know like being a worker everyone works perhaps do other things like I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow be looked at as a sage or giving good advice or things like this which are not in the category of work there would become a social stigma against men

Andrew Wilsonin those positions right I feel like is giving advice and if there's a social stigma in those positions by you making the statement affirmatively that men are only good at working that would

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)definitionally be sexist right um I believe that the the saying of that all men are good at working I don't think it's sexist just because I don't think

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it's going to imp men are only good for work they're only good for work if saying that I don't think that will negatively impact their life like I don't think it will change their quality

Andrew Wilsonof life that much so so if a woman or Collective of women think that my only use in life is to work that would not negatively impact my life and like can you give me an example

Andrew Wilsonof how it would negatively impact your life you're dating whatever so any any example that you would give for how the following phrase all women are good for is bearing children however that would

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)negatively affect women is the exact same way the other statement would negatively affect men by the same criter whatever it is I just think it wouldn't be the saying cuz like if you use the first saying where like women are only good for childbearing and then they try to apply for a job then the employer is

Andrew Wilsonlike no you can't then the woman's like screwed like they have no money they can't feed themselves they don't have a home like they don't have and if you only say that about men and if you only say that about men uh then they could be disqualified from other things like Sage

Andrew WilsonLe advice being looked at uh as beacons of Honor whether then just I don't think that's bad I don't think that's stop stop stop stop let me finish beacons of Honor instead of workhorses there's all

Andrew Wilsonsorts of negative impacts which could happen to them because they're only viewed as being work mules how is that not the same thing it's a negative impact right a social negative impact from the perspective of men just like

Andrew Wilsonthat's a social negative impact from the perspective of women so could make the counterargument to you and say nah-uh it's actually good that employers are discriminating against them because then they don't have to work ha based right

Andrew Wilsonbut that wouldn't make it you would you would say no you would dispute that because you'd say well women don't want that well men don't want to be viewed as only being workhorses so how is it that that's not sexist to men because I think about the Bas I'll let you respond

TTS Readerdonated $200 sexism is Prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender the whole idea that sexism is Prejudice plus power is only held by

TTS Readerpeople with room temperature IQ chair 4 is dulu high chair eight thank you Michael Jones sorry for the delay on that go ahead yeah so I I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to biases in the court for you being a good father and things like that cuz your only view of course is being good for work okay I can see that like that impacting and like the the quarter law

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like usually maybe children are given to the the like the mom because they think the mom good for work I can see that yeah but I would say like the fact that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I think that as humans then wouldn't that be sexist then I mean I think about like your experience in life right as humans we basically just need like like I said money food shelter so if a woman

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)cannot get a job based on like this stereotype or this Prejudice then that actually affects her ability to access those Necessities whereas a access to their kids because they're only viewed as being workhorses and not as being

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)paternal yes then that would negatively affect men and that is what is currently happening yeah yes and I believe well then how's that not sexist and I'm not I'm not saying that's like a bad yeah I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)guess so I guess I can concede to that yeah it is sexist yeah cuz it's like he did it yeah I think so wow that's first I think by the way by the way that that

Andrew Wilsonargument that came in from the chat that wasn't mine I was going a different direction somebody else threw it out there credit where credits do I uh I let tell me if this meets your definition though of sexism uh let's say let's say

Brian Atlasyou have a really powerful woman let's say Camala Harris did you vote for Kamala I didn't vote at all okay uh let's say she became the United States President she would be you know very

Brian Atlaspowerful uh she is in the White House and she wants to hire a janitor and she turns down all the male janitors because she refuses to hire

Brian Atlasa male janitor she refuses to hire a male janitor uh because they're men would that be sexist um I think so cuz she's in a position of power all right I

Brian Atlasguess that's consistent then uh let's see here and then going to uh the next one can people be racist towards white people uh Brenda which are

Brendayou a yes or no on this one oh honestly I don't know enough about [ __ ] yeah uh iy you say the same you say no he's like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I'm done no no no I still agree I think that one I agree more with that than the sexism one cuz that one's like so like I think that race and like sex is so intertwined it's like that's what we call it intersectionality so it's really

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)hard to talk about it separately you know like someone's like race and gender and their intersection of that really creates their real experience in life and so it's really it's like in the questionnaire we like separate that and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)so by I think that's race is obviously more like prominent than sex so I think above that I am more like more like Adent about my stance there you go so

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)can people be racist against white people um Define the type of person like what people a black person can a black person be racist towards a white person

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I think that in um I think that's very tough I mean I said no yeah on the questionnaire I think like as a society like we cannot but as like individual I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think that this person can can Asian can Asian people people be racist towards white people um I think that Asian people I like we can say things like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)we'll say stuff right like oh right like we can say that that we so even the word for white person in Chinese or for in canes is very like mean it's like they don't even have a word for white person it's just like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that monster you know wait really yeah goo yeah so wouldn't that be RAC wait there's not a like what about the color white there they don't use it they take

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)white yeah oh okay so it's like they just say the work Qui and I think that probably maybe when they first visited China when the Asian people saw them they're like oh that looks like a ghost you know so monster I don't mean monster

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I mean ghost sorry I I said it wrong it's not monster it's ghost haai means ghost yeah but what about just in like the United States can Asian people be racist towards white people I think that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Asian people like they can say racist things um they can say racist things but they cannot be racist can they be racist towards black people I think that yes

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)they can why um because we've seen PE like Asian people with like power and they've like you know killed black people yeah uh like the LA riots weren't

Andrew Wilsonyou in San Francisco wait the LA you mean the roof Koreans the LA the LA Riot were defending their businesses Kore in Korea Town they were completely

Andrew WilsonJustified that was not from they were in a position of self-defense not Authority they were being they were being attacked their businesses were being burned to the ground they being shot at and they defended themselves that wasn't a

Brian Atlasposition of power uh I'm talking about the incident that sparked that I'm not talking about them defending their business oh she's talking about the police yeah she's talking about Rodney Rodney King no no so I'm not sure if you know like what happened what it was like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Latasha Harland like she was the girl that got murdered by the the the store owner cuz she went in and she uh the store owner was like thought that she was going to do something dangerous but she just stole a bag of chips it was it

Andrew Wilsonwas that I that's pretty dangerous she so she was robbing the place and got shot she stole a bag of chips or something so she was robbing the place and got shot yes yeah that's what happens when you rob places you get shot

Andrew Wilsonoh gosh but like tell me why I was in Oakland my phone got robbed Why did Why did no one shoot that guy you know like I don't know why I don't know why Californians absolutely demand that they have no right to defend themselves when

Andrew Wilsonthey're getting robbed but in the rest ofed States I got I got mugged by by um like a person in the convenience store

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)what what race were they I they were wearing a ski mask I can't tell really I really don't know they were wearing a ski mask like I was on the phone with my friend and all I know ski mask you can see a little bit no I can't and by the

Andrew Wilsonway by the way hang on she was shot by a woman yes she was shot by a woman yes yeah so she was robbing a place where there was a woman who felt to justifi and we're not talking about gender right now we're talking about race that's why

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I said that I feel more strongly about race than I do about gender they are so interconnected but wait a second she got robbed inak doesn't know the okay at 10:00 a.m. in the morning yeah she's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)robbing the place she's robbing it this woman feels like she needs to defend herself why does she need to defend herself she's just robbing the place like she's not robbing s she just Rob so

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I could Rob your house you don't feel like you you you need to defend yourself it's it's like it's like it's material items you're not defending yourself like they're just robbing you it's like you just give it up like take my stuff but

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you know give me my life it's like they're not physically harming you they're just taking your things and I think that maybe because I'm Buddhist but I think that in this world we just have how about how about [ __ ] that Cy

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] this is the United States of America here if you try to Rob our [ __ ] we blow you away that's how it works like what what country you think you moved to lady I didn't move anywhere I

Andrew Wilsonwas born here this is America do you have like a religion right now like for one thing when it comes to force Doctrine if a person's willing to rob you there's no reason to assume that they will not do

Andrew Wilsonother horrible things to you when a person in the commission of a crime they can easily escalate that Commission of a crime like why would I wait for you to pull your gun out if you're already in the commission of crime against me I think that was like the oh yeah I think

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that was like the debate like some people were like oh what if like Lara was going to pull a gun on her and then like actually you look at security cameras there was no instance of her doing anything she just like stole a bag of chips and yeah but you know what you know how all of that could have been

Andrew Wilsonavoided tell me how all of that could have been avoided if one person did one thing differently what would have happened if one person hadn't been oh I don't know [ __ ] robbing somebody the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)whole situation would have been avoided right I think it was like it's like there's also an understanding right like what human life is worth a bag of chips you know it's like a moral ethic

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)question I think in that case it's like you're saying that you were willing to kill someone because they took a bag of chips from you that's really extreme well let's take it to the to the Other

Andrew WilsonExtreme how much of of everything that I have can a person steal before I'm justified in protecting myself and my valuables can they steal my entire life

Andrew Wilsonsavings and my house where my children sleep can they steal the car that I that my can they steal all of this so that we're left penniless and out in the snow and am I allowed to defend my property then I really hope that if you were

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)getting red that much that you have renters insurance and that you will be able to cover that I don't have renters insurance let's say I think that you were just not that bright like you need renters insurance if some really answer

Andrew Wilsonthe question if somebody were stealing my house if they were literally they came in they stole everything in my house right and burned the damn house

Andrew Wilsondown and then stole my car right and drained my bank account am I Justified then I mean now it's going off topic cuz we're talking about race and now this is about like can you

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)answer my question please I saying that if a person did all of that are you justified in killing them like in the act of him doing all of that you want to shoot them yeah okay yeah I think that's

Andrew Wilsontotally fine then why is it not fine for a bag of chips all you're doing is God so different you're like scaling wait wait wait so all you're doing is saying

Andrew Wilsona person's life isn't worth uh 50 cents it's worth $100,000 or $200,000 you're actually assigning the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)value of the life to money I'm signing the value of life to bodily harm that's why your position doesn't make any sense and my position does I never said you never said anything about bodily harm

TTS Readerbecause I just said that she didn't show any way of hore women two okay she was a teacher young boys go to school to learn math hear

TTS Readerthis trash and learn to hate themselves her brain twisted up in knots she could be trained to believe up his down or anything

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)else hitting women hitting that sounds terrible why is that your name bro that's only Andrew's position just kidding I'm kidding uh yeah that just

TTS Readerlike that that actually makes big pull out guy donated $200 big pull chair one has the look to attract a man but the neutral position on every topic makes her personality terrible and will not

Kelly/Otherkeep a GU that's the point I much want to keep any guy oh what that comment thank you big okay I can't believe I just said that out loud

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)um oh going back to the racism thing I have a question if I mean I think I wanted to answer uh because I think he mentioned about bodily harm and then I want to say that that was something that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)we had not established because in the case of what happened at that at the the LA or the Natasha harland's case was that she didn't show any signs of going to inflict bodily harm or any harm was going to be done on the owner but the

Andrew Wilsonowner had just you know done a really rash decision and decideed to kill her on the spot and I agree but that makes your position more inconsistent because that yeah it makes your position worse even because your position is you're not

Andrew Wilsonallowed to kill somebody over 50 cents but you can't over a couple hundred, no no no my position is that you should not kill someone over things then how come if they're taking my things un unless they are hypothetical I gave you all they're doing is taking my things and it

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)was okay to kill them in that hypo no you said they were burning down your house what if you were in the house what that's just thing no thing that is so for example like people die in fires like your life is at stake you I'm out

Andrew Wilsonof the house I'm out of the house I I explain that I'm not in the house we're outside they burn they burn the house down they steal everything in my bank account they take off with my car and leave us in the snow oh that I think

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that you don't have the right to kill them your life is not injured like you're not in direct harm yeah okay cuz I was assuming you're in the house now hang on do I have the right to call the police to come stop them of course what

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the heck and if the police show up and kill them were they Justified um I think that the police will face those repercussions but I don't think the police will Justified either okay so then all that we've established is that

Andrew Wilsonwe should let people steal [ __ ] pull it up later yeah I don't anything that we do to stop people from stealing [ __ ] could lead to their death if you to stop them from stealing [ __ ] yeah I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink it's worth it to kill someone over things uh okay last question Bernie made off he took off with the life savings of tens of thousands of people who were dependent on it okay police officers

Andrew Wilsonshould not have gone and arrested him because it could have led to a standoff in which he died correct um wait I'm very confused so you're saying that the police should not

Andrew Wilsonarrest him because the police could kill him or the wait the police I mean I think that it's just stuff I mean if the cops come to arrest you that escalates

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)situation it could lead to your death it could but it didn't I don't know like it's just like it could it could but it could it could and the police and whoever kills him is going to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)face repercussions for doing that yeah yeah cuz you've had you had people shoot up schools and they don't like get killed like what the heck yes they do no yes they do all the time they don't no I

Andrew Wilsonunless they surrender unless they can uncondition surrender drop their weapons and then get and go peacely but if they shoot at the police guess what the police did oh yeah they shoot at the police yes but I'm saying that like I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)don't know I just think about like all these like school shooting cases I've seen and heard and also experienced like the shooter that comes onto the campus I don't see them get

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)shot yeah that's they do all the time when it happens all the time no the school shootings happen but I don't think about I don't I've never heard

Andrew Wilsonabout School shooters getting well what are you talking about I can give you so much of a list of these various Shooters who've been shot in the commission of these crimes also a lot of them just

Brian Atlasself-d delete before that can even happen if they don't self-d delete there's a very high probability they would have been killed by police but the thing is is that the police show quite a lot of restraint in some of these situations because what they do these

Brian AtlasSchool shooters who are total cowards and disgusting and pathetic they put down their guns and surrender and that's kind of if you're

Brian Atlasnot an immediate threat your hands are up you've you've surrendered your uh firearm I mean there's still a chance they could get shot but the police are going to take you into custody and then

Brian Atlasthey're going to you're going to face Justice in the court system you had a question then I got to move it on so so just going back to the racism thing really fast if I'm applying for a job any job

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)let's let's call it I'm going in to be an attorney for a certain law firm and there's two candidates I'm one of them and the other woman is black the woman

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)doing the hiring is also black the other candidate qu uh applying for the job is less qualified than me came from a worse

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)grad school worse el el uh elsat scores Everything Everything is Everything is worse they scored worse on the bar exam and the black woman hires the black

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)candidate over me is that racist um I don't think it's racist because there are people with more highly better stats than like for example like I don't know I think that stats are really irrelevant at the end of the day it's about your

Brian Atlasexperience and the impact that you leave on the interviewer so I don't know about the impact that you left on her and so one one last question on this um what do you think about for like do you think it would be racist for example if in order

Brian Atlasfor Harvard or another IV League school to allow more uh like black minorities into University they actually uh reduce the amount of Asian candidates that they

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)accept into Harvard do you think that that would be a racist policy um I should had a debate with my friend about this I end up crying but I don't think it's racist yeah I was on he was on the other

Brian Atlasside it wouldn't be racist towards Asian people I know I so Asian people if they score really high in the SATs and they

Brian Atlasotherwise uh you know would have gotten in but the university is letting we capped right is refusing to let them in even though you know via Merit they're

Brian Atlasmore deserving of it they're more intelligent whatever it is and they're letting in people who have scored worse in certain uh tests like the SATs you don't think that this would be evidence of uh racism towards Asian people I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think that schools and similar with companies everyone wants diversity and so it's not up to us on what their criteria for diversity is well if it's

Brian Atlaspublicly like a lot of these uh universi receive public funds so I mean you would be discriminating on the basis of uh race in this situation which is not

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)allowed by the United States government mhm so I think in my experience I also was like a college financial coach as well but I do think that um certain schools will reject students that seem too perfect and because they want to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)make sure that their acceptance rate is like very um competitive so if a student has like these amazing stats they might think that oh if even we accept this kid there there's no way this kid is going to accept our our um acceptance letter anyway so they might reject them out of

Brian Atlasthat so that's actually like a like a resour would you be okay if uh you you were applying for a job and you were clearly more qualified but the job was given to somebody else who was clearly less qualified than you and the sole

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)reason they were given the job was because they were uh like a different minority um you'd be fine with that I think I definitely would be fine with it just because like yeah that maybe they have a similar life experience or like they had that candidate has something

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)more aligned with what that employer was looking for like even though cuz I know friends that like get these senior roles and they have no experience that much experience but like they have like this one thing that they did out of like 20 different things that they done and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)because of that one experience and now they're able to lead teams where people are like you know double their age yeah I just want to ask one final question so you're in favor of racism against Asian people am I in favor of racism against

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Asian people no I'm not what the I have question it seems like you I have a question oh go ahead you were um so I'm Asian but I have a white last name where would I fall um I think that you're you look Asian do you but if

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you're looking at my resume where would I fall uh I think that I don't if you were wait what do you tick on the box though I tick Asian but if you're just looking at Bailey Slaughter what would

TTS Readerlike what what would you say I will say you're a recruiter I mean if you take Asian then you're Asian yeah but yeah R black bird donated $200 thank you

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Brian Atlassupar what's that mean do you want to say something back to Blackbird look into this camera give him a wink compliment I am a virgin what okay oh I don't I didn't mean to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)trigger it twice Lo really quick Bailey go ahead quick questions I got to move it on you have something for oh okay go ahead yeah go ahead my last question for you is can

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you just give us one example of something that you would consider racist can I get one example of something that would be racism to you um I think it's because based on my race then even though it's like a okay so what happened

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to me as a teacher the reason why I no longer teach is because something happened to me and I felt like it was really racist actually and we're both minorities in this case but a situation happened where both of our family

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)members had passed away um 2 weeks apart actually um and then she was able to get one month off and I only got and I actually got in trouble for even asking for a day off and so I feel like that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)experience in itself s was racist and the principal has sent out a a newsletter saying like oh this teacher's family member had passed so we need to like give her our condolences like say like you know help her out whatever but

Brian Atlasthen in my experience like they're like oh sorry you don't have enough p just cuz I'm actually curious um what was the was it a Race part yeah where's the race I'm Asian no no no hold on hold on hold

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)on hold on who died for you uh uncle uncle who died for them uh I have no idea they wouldn't disclose that so maybe it was like their husband or their they weren't married they were so she was okay a

Brian Atlasfather a mom they wouldn't disclose it so I don't know yeah well then you can't make any determination here because like I'm not trying to be insensitive towards your uncle but like a cousin three times

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)removed I think is like less of a grievance than like your mom your father oh but I was just asking to go to the funeral so I asked to go to the funeral can I get a day off to go to the funeral

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I'm not asking for like a week off a m of like a fmpr I'm not asking for that which is what she had asked for so there there was unfair treatment I think it was unfair treatment you didn't get to go to the funeral no I went and when I

Andrew Wilsoncame back the repercussions were I got fired yeah but okay what does it have to what does it have to do actually say the termination was for the what sorry what

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)did they actually say you were terminated for um they said it was for a month prior a kid has shown a Tik Tok video to the class and I didn't stop him and the Tik Tok video was Lionel Messi kicking off soccer ball they so they put

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)inappropriate use of social media in the classroom cuz they couldn't fire me for that yeah so what you're doing is just making this up right I'm not making this up because it was my you were you were

Andrew Wilsonfired for a legitimate reason and then you're saying no I just think that they were trying to get revenge against me because I went to a funeral but like what actually demonstrates that other

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)than you just feel uh because I didn't have any problems with admin or anything like legality wise until I'd asked to go to that funeral and then when I came back from that funeral so it was on a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Friday and so I stayed in La Friday Saturday Sunday and I flew back to SF and then when I flew back and the first day of school like they were like oh miss I we want to take you to like the office and then they said like you're not allowed to like talk to anyone we're

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)putting you on administrative leave so that's what happened and then when I come back from administrative wait hold on hold on hold on Yeah couple questions here so did you ask to get the time off

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)and they told you no and you went anyways yes I said I was sick I called in

Brian Atlassick okay um so I used my sick days yeah what and so why do you come to the conclusion that it has anything to do

Brian Atlaswith race oh so what happened was I thought the treatment was unfair okay and yeah sure I'm going to I'll go ahead and Grant it was unfair how did you come to the conclusion has anything to do

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)with race I okay this is my experience so I don't want to like generalize that this is like I just think that what happened to me I felt like it was racist because the principal okay the principal

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)was was afro Latina and then the coworker was AFR Latina that's it and that I was Asian I have a question what's your stance on air wait where's

Brian Atlasthe racism part wait she I think she's like saying there was favoritism to this other race and she got less favorable treatment but it's still that that wouldn't indicate that there's actually any racism I mean I just think that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)because of so like what if they just liked the other person more had nothing to do with race that could be it but I talked around to other teachers and another Asian teacher a grade below me

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)she taught fourth grade she taught math um and she was also Asian and then she had another teacher that was teaching English and he was um black and then what I heard from her experience was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like oh yeah Miss Ivy like I heard about what happened with your family I'm so sorry but I'll be honest like the just you know this happened to me where I show up to school with 108 degree fever and I wasn't allowed to go home

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)meanwhile my co-teacher got a week off sorry I don't know what the fever was but she had a bad fever and she asked to go home and she wasn't allowed to but meanwhile the co- teer was able to take

Brian Atlasa week off to go to Japan for vacation so that's why I'm just because none of this demonstrates a racial element okay sorry he was able but just but just be like let me ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion bad thing happens to black person did that bad thing happen because the person was black no okay I cuz I don't know what that about

Brian Atlaslike just because something bad happens to you and you happen to be whether you're white black Asian Latino doesn't matter you can't immediately jump to it

Kelly/Otherhappened because of I'm of my race it happened because of racism I need some sort of evidence what was the what was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the Tik Tok video it she said messy it was messy K yeah kicking soccer ball so the kid did like an edit and it was a month prior and during that time

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)actually an admin was in my class to watch cuz I had like a they were doing a walkth through and so they saw that I you know I was showing that and then so they didn't say anything to me after that like they didn't say that was wrong

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)nothing and so it's so funny that a month later they had said like oh that was the re that's the reason why you're getting fired now even though I didn't get so so an administrator was coming through your class and inspecting it

Andrew Wilsonyeah saw that something was inappropriate which was happening launched an investigation after the investigation was done right when you came back from this trip they coincidentally fired you for a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)legitimate reason no I think you're getting the timeline wrong I think you're getting the timeline wrong I'm saying that the month ago this had

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)happened and then a month later right between this between the video being shown and between me getting fir was a month apart they launched an

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)investigation 2 days before they had fired me I me sorry two days before that fired me so then like it was like not related at all right but then they need a reason all right that's cool um I have

Brian Atlasto move on to the next thing so uh are men the primary victims of war to which I think it's only you or actually cie you uh say

Brian Atlasno and then Ivy you say no why is that well um uh what was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I'm so sorry it's okay iy iy was listening go ahead uh I think she might have a good answer I feel like talked a lot she didn't she didn't hear it after I listen Okay so I think that in War I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think women and children are the primary victims of war Yeah question let's remove children from it who's the primary victim of war men or women that's tough cuz I guess I guess

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it I guess there'll be more casualties with men so men in that case cuz I was think about women and children combined yeah okay well let's just split it why do why do women immediately get the social

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)status of children I mean just cuz like we think about people that were able to fight in Wars back then and then the ones that carried weapons and were able to fight were were men CU they were sexist they're saying because you think that's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)wait you think that's bad I mean no I didn't say it's bad no no sorry so I'm using sexism as in a term where it doesn't include power now so I'm using the but wouldn't the

Brian Atlassexist sexism benefit women uh sexist feminism M no this you said it's sexist that women couldn't fight I mean it's like back then maybe there were some women that wanted to fight and they couldn't and they couldn't don't you

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think that's privilege isn't that privilege I guess is it privilege that women can't fight in Wars yeah they they yeah I think so prot to protect I wouldn't want to go to the military but

Brian Atlasso I'm just confused here you said uh between men so if it's just men and women you think it's men that are the primary victims of war but if you include children then it's women and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)children women and children yeah because like I think that like oh sorry yes why so I think that you know during Wars like a lot happened like I don't know you cuz I watched like human rights film and like you know the rape of like n

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)King and stuff like that like you learn a lot about like Comfort women being used in like all these Asian countries Japan Korea Vietnam um you know and you just think like oh wow like women and

Andrew Wilsonchildren are being used like it was like you know underage children and men being used men were like fighting each other yes now also the infirm and elderly and the ones who couldn't fight were used it

Andrew Wilsonexperimentally just like women were in those particular instances that you're talking about like Nan King but let me ask you this question let me ask it in the reverse who's the primary victim of War uh men and children or

Andrew Wilson[Music] women I think I already said men so men and children then right yeah men and children right I don't I just didn't understand why why children instantly get lumped in with women I know right I think that always happens like when

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you're evacuating it's like women and children first so I like I think that so female that's that whole chivalry thing that yeah I guess so yeah yeah like a carryover yeah yeah yeah um well yeah so

Brian AtlasI mean definitely bad things absolutely do happen to women in war that are kind of more specifically gendered when it comes to their victimization but uh even going ahead and granting that and yes of

Brian Atlascourse absolutely terrible um how can you and also one typically the war front is pretty far away women have time to like Escape that uh sometimes like invading armies if

Brian Atlasthey're moving really quickly they can go through CI like civil uh areas of civilization where there are still Pop there's still like civilian population um but I mean you see this especially like World War II when the Russians were

Brian Atlasgoing through Germany but so but so so so what well I mean what where do you um like would you if

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)if you could put a 100 men to death to prevent one woman from being uh Ed would you do it what who am I am I a girl or a guy I'm confused oh am I like the person

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)in powered that's like doing this like if you had to put a hundred men to death to prevent one woman from getting essed would you do it I think that um you know what what is that call I forgot what was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it called but there's a word for it but it's like you want to have the greatest amount of good for like the greatest amount of people and I think in that case it's like 100 men versus one woman yeah so what's your answer so the the 100 men you would I would not kill

Brian Atlasthem Brenda it seemed like you actually had the position on this oh no I'm sorry you would would you kill 100 men I was just fidgeting I'm sorry but would would

Brendayou kill the 100 men to save one woman from sa would I kill 100 men to save one woman I I wouldn't kill anyone you if you had to choose

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I don't know I can't I can't kill I wouldn't kill anyone you have to choose though who says a woman is getting killed she just said he just said sa who's saying the woman's getting

Andrew Wilsonkilled no no no he's don't confuse it more uh which one did you pick yeah well you're wait wa wait no no no no no no hold on hold on it's just a button just push a button 100 men die or

Brendaa woman gets sa it's hard for me to push the button cuz one person eventually gets hurt and one person eventually 100 people versus one person well they they either or

Brendapeople end up getting hard cuz I've been sa before so it's hard for me to to to make that decision to like have that happen I know it's a hypothetical it's just but think this is like digital

Brendafootprint you know what I mean so it's like I can't make that decision so you would let 100 men die then I never said that I said well if you had to pick one

Brian AtlasI can't pick I'm sorry I'm not juicy right now for this how about let me make it simpler would you send a 100 innocent men to prison to prevent one man from

Brian Atlaswalking free who 100% essay a woman to prison

Brendauh yeah but are they going to get like the death penalty or no but uh they they spend three years did they do anything they spend three years in prison they do anything to put themselves in prison or they're innocent okay let me repeat the

Brian Atlasquestion I'll repeat the question would you send a 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years to prevent one man from walking free who 100

Brendaprovably essayed a woman first off I'm sorry for getting you frustrated me just answer the question well yeah I just I said yeah I said yeah I would send them

Brian Atlas100 innocent men how about a thousand innocent men

BrendaI don't I'm not good with these I I don't I I don't it's hard for me what's the limit it's hard I don't know it's hard for me to to to like yes I know it's hard answer the question what I don't understand what's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)hard about it you you answered it for 100 well it's it's hard because I I think about my digital footprint and like that also what is what is your definition of essay what do you mean oh I mean I'm

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)just using that as a filler for grape I know that no but I'm asking her like what is it like you were held at knife Point by some random guy or like I mean I'm just asking her person hang on the granny there details there we can't

Andrew Wilsonreally discuss because the nature of the program oh okay um I don't think I don't think anybody's particularly confused about I did have one question for you though chair one I do tend to ask this a lot how would you feel I if you didn't

Brendaeat breakfast this morning I would feel hungry because yeah I like to to eat so you can't engage with

Andrew Wilsonhypotheticals I'm sorry so you can't engage with hypotheticals the ones where I could put myself in in that position like I I could put mean digital footprint like what's the what what what is this digital footprint thing what

Brendadoes that mean oh well this is going on the internet and if if I truly don't believe like in a Ser like like these topics are serious you know what I mean like and if I truly like can't answer it

Brian Atlaswith like the full capability that that I should answer these serious topics with and I'm not going to do that because then well you did I mean you you won't say a thousand men but you did say you'd send 100 innocent men cuz I I

Brian Atlascould comprehend that and I'm just like what's that quote about better to let like aund I don't know what is it

Brian Atlasanybody know what I'm talking about better to let 100 uh guilty oh better to let like a hundred guilty men walk free than to J like to uh deliver Injustice to one innocent person something like

Brian Atlasthat but okay but you said it was inj I thought you said that the guy who the guy actually did something he did do it yeah okay no so in this scenario it's

Brian Atlasalmost the inverse so it's better to let a 100 guilty men go than to imprison one innocent person and that's actually I think the

Brian Atlasbasis for the United States criminal justice uh system Bailey what do you think about this one would you send 100 innocent men into prison to prevent one

Brendaman from walking free who 100% essay a woman um in my opinion no I would not I would um I would save the innocent man

Brian Atlasbut that that's my opion where did Ivy go we were talking about the primary victims of war um H interesting uh and then that there's a Super Chat coming for her in just a sec well while we're doing that by the way Blackbird she's

Brian Atlasgone from the table so I'm waiting for your message to I apologize for the delay uh let's do a couple shout outs here real quick Reed is 100 TTS is 200 guys like the video guys go to

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Brian AtlasJoseph thank you for the 10 men really appreciate it pulled it from his ammo fund thank you so much Joseph really appreciate it Mitchell sent a dollar thank you so much man appreciate it uh okay let's see here uh we have do we

Brian Atlashave anything there's a few more but I'll I'll wait until Ivy's back so we have uh let's see why don't we get finish up the pre-show notes uh we did

Brian Atlaseverything for Brenda everything for cie uh oh Patrice we need to still do yours uh let's

Brian Atlassee uh worst breakup of your lives worst break uh you were a fine dining waitress you also strip strip club bartender yeah

Brian AtlasI walk the fine line and your so your ex fiance asked you requested for you to stop doing that into the mic closer to the mic sorry yeah all of it quit everything quit all my jobs move be with

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)him travel with him travel with him for work everything just drop it and I I did you know what really quick going back to you Brenda like at least with the killing

Brian Atlasone don't you almost think not answering like wouldn't that almost have a worse impact on your digital football

Brian Atlasprint because it seems so obvious that the answer ought to be like I'm going to save a hundred people from Death look uh

Brian Atlasessay's [ __ ] terrible it's a disgusting crime but like a 100 dead people like yeah it's really like a like oh would you rather save your son or your daughter it's like a really [ __ ]

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)up hard thing to think about right yeah no I I I hear where you come from and I I think it's because I I it's not so when I say digital footprint it's not that I care what people think from like

Brendafrom like their perspectives it's um I'm answering is what it with what aligns with how I feel about myself and if I don't know if I don't know the answer to the question then and someone wants to

Brian Atlasview me not answering it in in that way then cool because like that that I don't care but um I'm just I'm not going to answer it cuz that's what aligns with what's inside of here yeah but if you I guess what I'm trying to say is if you

Brian Atlasdo have an answer but you're like I don't want to share the answer because I'm worried about the digital fir don't know I just I but I think people can make an inference by like the refusal to answer the question like that could be

Brendaalmost worse I don't know anyways whatever not a big thing then it's worse but I just it's because I just don't know I can't answer it uh Patrice can you read this for us

Alinaactually no alinaa you you need to talk go ahead speak CH I can't really see chair one you don't realize it but you're fascist it is better to let 10 guilty free than to imprison one

Alinainnocent man this is the foundation of Western Justice that is the foundation of Western Justice You're lack of education shows do you want to respond to Christopher thank you Christopher the

Brenda100 yeah I would say like thanks for um thanks for like the information and yeah maybe I should go home and I should learn some more think about it think about it Ivy we need you back we have a

TTS Readerchat for you somebody wants to say something to you Ivy they hear it comes all right R black bird donated

TTS Reader$200 Ivy just be talking life and girl let the girls next to you get a chance to speak too you just keep talking and talk

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)[ __ ] I know I talk a lot but that's why I was like oh let her talk let her answer the question wait to find just really quick on the primary victims of war thing uh men or women um I think it

Brian Atlaswas like men or women I think I said you said women and children oh then men yeah okay I guess one find I I mean you've maybe you've changed your position on this but like would you say that for

Brian Atlasexample if a woman is going through birth and there's a lot of physical pain uh would you think she's the pr primary I wouldn't call her a victim but

Brian Atlaslike she's the primary sufferer of physical pain but as a man watching your wife give birth that could be difficult you would suffer too to some degree

Brian Atlasseeing her in physical pain so do you think the the man is the primary victim of or primary sufferer of the pregnancy no what the heck I know she squeezed my

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)hand really hard when she was giving birth you know this actually was a a video with this two beautiful couple in La like but the girl was like filming the husband cuz he was crying so much and she was like d it's not even as

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)painful as him like seeing him cry like she wasn't crying but he was crying a lot and so I think that reminds me of what you say but I think overall that was just like a very special case uh just a few more of these we won't be able to hit all of them do women have

Brendaequal rights to men in the USA Brenda you marked both so I don't really know is that like a maybe um yeah I think because I I had listened

Brendato this podcast of how like um like rights have like changed but just I said maybe because I don't

Brian Atlasknow oh okay yeah uh Patrice you say

Brian Atlasyes uh cie you say no Ivy you say

Brian Atlasno uh Bailey says do women have she says yes

Brian AtlasStephanie you say yes so I think it's just cie Ivy why we like I'm your friend your

Brian Atlasfriend uh so I guess really quick like uh you think women don't have equal rights to men in the United States how um I don't think

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that uh how do you say I said that right but I would say I can't think about specific laws right cuz I I didn't really study that but I think about the experience experience yeah I think it's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)really about experience and I think that maybe it's like more like a not what was a it's like more of a deao law like you know a society law like rather than than a d Jour law made by like our government

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)um in which I would I would say like maybe women aren't given the same equal rights as men the facto wise not the jur

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)yeah what's an example um an example would be can't think of one right now oh gosh

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)um I think about overall I I guess I'm thinking about more about back then like um like think about my grandparents like my grandma wasn't allowed to like read or write like this like in her wherever

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)she grew up like they just didn't let women read or write grew up in the United States uh no she didn't but this yeah she grew up where she grew up in like a small village in Vietnam mhm I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)mean look I don't know the specifics of the Vietnamese policy and the but we didn't say equal rights in United States did we it is in the United States yes it

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)says it says yes in the United States oh I I didn't read that it just says equal rights so I guess in America I can't think of one so I guess I will have to default wa you said it was your grandma Yeah she couldn't she wasn't able to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)learn was wasn't that also the case for like most of the peasantry in like almost all countries like I would say most of the men were illiterate too I think that it's like different because

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)my grandfa came from the same social class but like wait how how's your grandma this is your grandma right yeah my Grandma she's yeah she's like

Brian Atlas60 so how was she in the late 1960s do you know when she was born I actually have no idea wait I don't even know her birthday we don't talkn Vietnam

Brian Atlaswas like late 60s early '70s right are you talking about the war yeah but I don't know if they would have been old how old's your grandpa uh my grandpa is

Brian Atlaslike 70 70 so wait 70 how old would he have been during Vietnam the Vietnam War I think he was probably like

Andrew Wilson35 wait hold on 30 no I just want to let you know it was nice to meet all of you I appreciate it coming on this fine fine evening and

Andrew Wilsonhaving this great discussion you all very very kind tonight thank you Andrew felt like we had some really good back and force and uh it was nice to meet all of you Andrew thank you uh for joining us shoot us over appreciate it man thank

Brian Atlasyou thank you gotcha Take Care thank you good night uh so I wait maybe the chat's going to be able to tell me this chat do you have the number how old how old

Brian Atlaswould the grand grandfather be at this age I don't know 15 was he would he have been VC I don't know or not VC the uh it's the that that's the yeah yeah it

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)would have been he would have been like the NVA or wait hold on am I getting I'm getting my [ __ ] mixed up my family was not really involved in the war yeah it's like there's people like neutral people they were in Vietnam they're in Vietnam yeah you don't have to pick a side you

Brian Atlascan just yeah but I don't know if it's like okay my mom she couldn't read and write but like my dad was getting education no he's getting like gun downed by VCS yeah but again I said my family

Brian Atlasdidn't uh participate in the war I don't know I if if it was my the choice was between like living in a tunnel in the jungle of Vietnam versus not being able to read I

Brian Atlasthink I'm and then just like getting [ __ ] napalmed by the United States government but [ __ ] agent orang and [ __ ] no yeah sure there was indiscriminate yeah there's indiscriminate napon bombing in the

Brian AtlasVietnam War but it's like they were like a little more insulated more more protected so I mean uh I think it's kind of probably worse like yeah your grandma couldn't like read and write or wasn't

Brian Atlasallowed to do that I don't even know what the case is there but like your grandpa was like getting naal like what no again my my grandpa did not F no I'm not saying that he would have maybe he would have been of the age where he

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)would have been oh he was of the age he's way older like than that like when the war ended I think they had my mom at that time so like they were able to I mean the war was like what 10 years I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think it was a long time yeah so I don't know 10 years maybe they were like above yeah they were like 16 yeah they're probably 16 so they probably would have

Brian Atlasbeen able to fight but he didn't well wait if you were 20 in 1970 that would make you you 75 yeah so I guess he's 75 we don't

Brian Atlasreally celebrate his birthday so I don't know how old he is he's like 70 75 yeah we don't keep track so you would have been fighting age during the Vietnam war yeah I said that he he was supposed to fight yeah I don't know look your your grandma couldn't she wasn't allowed to

Brian Atlaslearn how to read and write your grandpa was of the fighting age where he was getting he well I don't know what side of the [ __ ] conflict no no again they didn't pick us like they were just like affected by the war like they were just

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)trying to not get killed right but there Vietnam they were like Vietnamese fighting on both sides uh no it's like I think it's a majority of people like in any War torn country like you think about like in Germany like are they

Brian Atlasfighting like actively fighting or there's people that are just living and going about their daily lives yeah but I feel like being forced to fight in a war is worse than not being allowed to learn how to read or write no one was forcing my grandpa to fight in a war you're

Brian Atlassaying there wasn't a military conscription in Vietnam I mean it depends on what side of Vietnam you lived in I'm look I'm not an expert Vietnamese I'm whether VC I don't know

Brian Atlasif the the other is called the NVA I'm pretty sure there's military conscription yeah they were like taking boys and like sending them off to like fight Oh that's oh they're sending boys were they sending girls oh that's even

Brian Atlasworse thank you for bringing that up yeah they're sending child child soldiers that's even and they were just boys right yeah what what were the CH the children uh girls doing I don't know

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)they're probably forcing them to like become getting they're probably forcing them to become Comfort women and yeah the most famous picture of getting Neal was like of that girl running you know so she's here in

Brian Atlasthe States now yeah good talk um all right I got to move it on to uh I think maybe this is the final one are women oppressed in the

Brian AtlasUnited States to which uh I think it's just you guys again Ivy you said yes women are oppressed in the United States why are they oppressed

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)why that why are they oppressed yeah why are women how how are women oppressed I guess maybe it's about our experience like maybe because I grew up in a very Asian family where my mom was like you have to do this cuz you're a woman and so that's why I think I have that

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