HEATED Debate With Woke Feminist?! Boss Babe Picks Career Over PERFECT Man?! | Dating Talk #229

Date: 2025-02-19

Duration: 8h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Alina(guest)

SPEAKER_02Kelly/Other(guest)

SPEAKER_03Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brenda(guest)

SPEAKER_06TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mary Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_14Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions — all 8 women introduce themselves

“Brian: 'without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. Please tell us your name, age, location, occupation and education.'”

QuoteBrenda says she'd pick her business over a husband and kids if forced to choose

“Brian: 'husband children or Rave podcast and your business... which do you pick if you have to pick one?' / Brenda: 'it would [keep what I'm doing]' / Brian: 'the entailment of that is that you die single and alone' / Brenda: 'I love myself so I will be okay with that.'”

TopicMary Grace reveals she found her current boyfriend through the Whatever podcast

“Mary Grace: 'I am in a relationship thanks to you [Brian]' — she's dating a CFO (35) who watched her previous appearance, slid into her DMs, and they've been together 2 months. Brian: 'I'm invited to the wedding?'”

ControversyBrenda reveals she was 5150'd after domestic fight with ex on her birthday

“Brenda describes a domestic physical altercation with her ex on her birthday that led to her being handcuffed by police, taken to jail, then 5150'd at a hospital. She bit chunks of his arm while being choked. No charges filed. Ex had called 911. Story includes an OnlyFans subscription to her best friend.”

IntroAndrew Wilson joins remotely — just back from Debate Con

“Brian: 'oh look who it is hey Andrew good to see you man' / Andrew: 'oh do we have sorry I'm late... I was on a trip all weekend'”

QuoteBrenda reveals she had an OnlyFans that she paused when in relationship

“Andrew: 'if you're doing OnlyFans then you can't really have any moral problems with him if he's watching other OF girls' / Brenda admits ex subscribed to her best friend's OF page during arguments.”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round — guests rate their own looks 1-10

“Brenda: 8, Patrice: 8 (originally tried 7), Kelly: 6.9, Ivy: 6, Brian: 5. Andrew: 'I'm probably 4.' Discussion of whether anyone on the panel can be a 10. Debate over Megan Fox comparisons with Brenda.”

ControversyViral breakup TikTok reaction — woman mourning ex who dumped her after she moved

“Panel watches viral video of woman set to sad music detailing how she gave up career/improv troop/savings to move for boyfriend who then dumped her. Patrice most resonant — just lived something similar in Australia. Andrew makes sardonic comments about 'finding himself.' Brian: 'men are not relationship vending machines.'”

ControversyAndrew's argument: women's primary conflict tool is emotional manipulation/slander because they lack access to force

“Andrew: 'men always have an option women don't which is force... what they do instead is their kind of ways of fighting back are either through emotional manipulations or through the idea of slander.' Extended philosophical debate with panel. Brenda concedes women plot and scheme more.”

ControversyWoke feminist debate — Ivy argues women cannot be sexist toward men (requires power)

“Ivy presents academic 'prejudice + power = ism' framework. Andrew and Brian systematically challenge with examples (nurse killing men, woman serial killer, reverse Harvard quota). Ivy eventually concedes on racism against Asian people. Chat: 'the whole idea that sexism is Prejudice plus power is only held by people with room temperature IQ.'”

ControversyWould you send 100 innocent men to prison to prevent 1 rapist from walking free? — Brenda says yes

“Brenda says she would send 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years. Bailey says no. Brian invokes Blackstone's ratio. Andrew calls Brenda a fascist (via chat read by Alina).”

ControversyPatrice reveals her ex forced himself on her on 3 separate occasions

“Brian asks about Patrice's previous disclosure. She reveals her first boyfriend forced himself on her multiple times. She stayed because it was her first relationship and she grew up adopted in rural Pennsylvania, never feeling wanted. Says she eventually understood when she returned from Australia. Emotional moment — panel offers support.”

QuoteAlina: 'I do anything he says, he would never hear the word no' — train accident Patrice bit

“Brian plays Patrice O'Neal comedy clip about keeping your man after losing vagina in train accident. Alina: 'I do anything he says, he would never hear the word no come out of my mouth.' Brian has her repeat it for the audience.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Statuses

Brian introduces all guests. Each introduces themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then each shares relationship status, single duration, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom.

Types & Dating Preferences

Brian goes around the table asking everyone's type in a partner. Kelly describes wanting a 6'0-6'2" half-Black half-white athletic man. Brenda discusses her preference for light-skinned Latino men. Discussion of Rave culture and whether Brenda would quit raving for a relationship. Career vs. relationship trade-offs. Boss Babe mentality — Brenda admits she'd pick her business over a husband/kids right now.

Ivy's Late Introduction & Single Life

Ivy joins late and introduces herself. Discussion of her 2-year travels, breaking celibacy in October, her current crush (Korean-American, 37). NYC vs. LA dating comparisons. Rosters and situationships. Brenda explains her dating approach — roster of 4 potential lovers, sleeping with only 1.

Brenda's 5150 & Domestic Incident Story

Brian reads Brenda's pre-show notes about a past relationship involving a domestic physical altercation on her birthday. She was arrested, taken to jail, then 5150'd at hospital. Ex called 911, she bit chunks of his arm in self-defense while blacking out from alcohol. She made public statements about it online. They briefly reconciled after she demanded $3k rent from him.

Andrew Wilson Joins — Dating & Relationship Discussion

Andrew Wilson joins remotely. Discussion of red flags in women. Brenda's OnlyFans history and ex subscribing to her best friend's page. Ivy's story of Korean ex buying a dog together and stealing it + $3,000. Discussion of Color Guard and red flags.

Self-Ratings Round (Looks 1-10)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Brenda: 8. Patrice: 8 (tried 7). Kelly: 6.9. Ivy: 6. Brian: 5. Mary Grace declined. Alina passed. Andrew debated whether to push back. Discussion of aging, plastic surgery, Megan Fox comparisons, and whether anyone on the panel could ever be a 10.

Viral Breakup TikTok Reaction

Brian plays a viral video of a woman mourning her ex who broke up with her after she moved for him. Panel reacts — Patrice most resonant (just went through something similar in Australia). Andrew makes jokes. Discussion of whether he owes her money legally, common law marriage, women's tears on social media, and Socrates/Aristotle quotes on female nature.

Women's Manipulation vs. Men's Force — Andrew's Philosophical Debate

Andrew makes argument that women's primary conflict tools are slander/emotional manipulation because they lack access to physical force. Debate about whether men should open up emotionally to women (gives them ammunition). Discussion of women narrating their own behavior, men cataloging vulnerabilities. Ivy and Patrice push back from lived experience.

Traditional vs. Modern Relationship Values

Should women take husband's last name? Show of hands on various traditional/modern preferences: men paying for dates, leading, taking initiative. Brian argues men's romantic leadership practice translates to corporate success, explaining the 'gender pay gap.' Discussion of women wanting traditional relationship benefits while also wanting career independence.

Transgender Disclosure & Identity Debate

Do transgender individuals have a duty to disclose? Kelly says no. Ivy says it's straight to date a trans woman if she's had surgery. Andrew debates what constitutes sex vs. gender. Discussion of brain scan studies on gender dysphoria, vampire identity analogy. Andrew leaves the show at ~6:29.

Woke Feminist Debate — Sexism, Racism, Power Dynamics

Ivy's position: women can't be sexist toward men because sexism requires power. Andrew and Brian systematically challenge this with examples. Discussion of whether Asian people can be racist, the Latasha Harlins shooting, property rights and self-defense. Ivy concedes on several points. Brian argues men are primary war victims. Ivy fired from teaching job — disputes whether it was racism.

Would You Send 100 Innocent Men to Prison?

Brian poses hypothetical: would you send 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years to prevent 1 rapist from walking free? Brenda says she would (for 100, hesitates at 1000). Bailey says no. Discussion of Blackstone's ratio foundation of Western justice.

Gender Pay Gap & Women's Oppression Discussion

Are women oppressed in the US? Ivy says yes (de facto). Can people be racist against white people? Discussion of Harvard's Asian quota case. Brian connects women's romantic preferences (wanting men who lead, provide, pay) to why men occupy executive positions — men practice leadership traits in dating.

Patrice's Assault Disclosure

Brian attempts to get clarity on Patrice's previous disclosure about her ex-boyfriend. She reveals he forced himself on her on 3 separate occasions. She stayed because it was her first relationship and she grew up adopted in rural central Pennsylvania without feeling wanted. Emotional and sensitive moment. Panel offers support.

Patrice Honest Comedy Clip & End of Show

Brian plays a classic Patrice O'Neal comedy bit about what women would do to keep a man if they lost their vagina in a train accident. Panel reacts and answers. Makeup removal segment. Show ends with raid on Twitch streamer Grayson.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasyou uh uh four probably four wow well once again Andrew I am uh probably one of the I have the best Connections in

Andrew Wilsonthe modeling industry I'm I've gathered a remarkably attractive uh panel today so there is yes the uh most beautiful women who exist on Planet Earth seem to always find themselves in their way to

Andrew Wilsonthe whatever podcast and we know this because we ask them so we know for sure yeah no tens though so I mean

Brian Atlasthat's could be worse lot of eights lot of eights but not tens I mean tens you know what I mean yeah uh yeah okay uh

Brian Atlaswell I honestly I don't really honestly unless somebody says 9 or 10 I don't really feel like if they give themselves an eight it's not that bad right Andrew like you know what I mean and they said

Brian Atlaswe can't pick seven like I'm not going to debate the the T the rating question if they unless it's like a nine or a 10 you know but maybe Andrew is a little

Andrew Wilsonmore uh less forgiving than I am well I just am wondering uh very briefly do raise your hand if you agree with all the girls

Kelly/Otheranswers if you agree I don't remember yeah yeah if you agree with all the girls assess I heard why six six is above average on a

Brian Atlasscale of on wait so Andrew's question is just raise your hand if you like you agree with like all the girls were spoton with their assess oh you're why

Andrew Wilsonare you shaking your head who's wrong who's wrong especially you said the six okay hang on hang on before you say that hang on hang on hang on wait wait wait before you say

Andrew Wilsonthat raise your hand if the girls should have rated themselves higher if you think the girls should have rated themselves higher I mean yeah you think they should to disagree raise your hand if you think

Andrew Wilsonthe girls should have rated themselves lower okay anyone else you okay so you chair chair two which ones should have

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)rated themselves lower do I have to answer that got it yes yes oh boy okay so can I start on a positive note and then a negative I think that you're objectively an eight

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)or a nine especially you have no you don't look like you have any work done you rated yourself under a seven men I think would a lot of men watching this would rate you near the top of this panel so I think that you giving

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)yourself a 6.9 was very humble but I think deep down too you know you're not a 6.9 I would have rated you lower than an eight she's wearing a wig she's her what

Andrew Wilsonwas that she she's wearing a wig would you have rated her a five or six mean now uh for you who just got

Andrew Wilsonrated a five or six mean uh what would you rate her um I mean like a

Andrew Wilsonsix I kind of I guess she rated herself lower you a little lower too but then didn't you raise your hand and say that you thought the girls should have rated themselves higher there were some people

Brendathat like I thought no no not hang on I'm sorry not you the um the the gal I was just speaking to I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut I actually forgot everybody rated themselves like the number they chose that they should have rated themselves

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)higher uh me yeah I didn't say every single one should have rated themselves higher I think specific well Le you're not the one who rated you lower right yeah I mean I'm not going to rate her low lower just cuz she rated me

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)lower I kind of forgot everybody's like numbers but there is specific people that I would have like chose to rate themselves higher okay which ones would

Andrew Wilsonyou have chosen to rate themselves lower lower yeah no one no one mm then how could you call the woman who gave

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)herself an eight a six I said six cuz I forgot she didn't choose six I thought that was the number

Brian Atlasshe chose oh okay strange all right that's all I had okay um I do actually

Brian Atlasyou know what I want the panel to rate me I will not be offended you can give me a zero I won't be upset will not be offended whatsoever

Brian Atlasdon't pull any punches be brutally honest I will not be upset I won't insult you back or anything like that I'll take it on the chin go ahead is it

Brian Atlasjust off a look okay looks I mean obviously my personality is going to tank the rating so um yeah that's why yeah yeah I have to just I have to let

Brendamy looks carry me uh okay go ahead look me deep in the eyes when you the eyes the eyes actually bring the number up so look me deep in the eyes

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)when you say this seven good okay look look into my soul when you say this go ahead so you're like precisely my type except for the fact that you're not balding yet I have I have hair the facial like the facial hair and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)everything like the way that you have it that that is my type I would give you an eight okay I'll take it 77 7. your hands are shaking oh my she's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)a little nervous okay uh 7.7 okay all right go ahead IV uh just because I I don't really find like um I no no no not white

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)not white just like I only ever dated Asian guys so that's why I don't have like I don't see people outside of like Asian just to say oh yes maybe like a little

Mary Gracebit lower maybe like six yeah okay sure seven as well okay six six Mary I have I I can't even say the

Brian Atlasonly person I think of is my boyfriend period okay that's fine Alena do you I know you have a boyfriend so whatever I pass on rating that's fine uh wait hold

Brian Atlason so I have a question wait one one question before yours Andre one question for yours going to you yeah uh you said you're an

Brian Atlaseight and I'm a you said six you gave me a six mhm so just to be clear you would be you're settling for me what do you mean like you would be

Brian Atlassettling like if we were to date like you're doing me a a favor I just yeah you're dating you're dating down right I mean I have settled I have settled for guys that like and have dated guys that

Brian Atlasare like now what I would typically go for so I mean I'm not sitting at w and send but I want you to look me deep in my eyes I'm not I'm going to look at the

Brian Atlascamera though look me look me deep in my eyes from the side and say Brian you [ __ ]

Brian AtlasUgo I I would I'm settling for you you [ __ ] mid say it that's so mean that

Brian Atlasis mean me you can say it seductively and then I have very thick skin appreci done content for a while um you

Brian Atlashave to have you should see my my DMs um like they're really mean oh yeah people tell me that like they want to murder me what's so mean is it is it men or women no I literally get death threats so a

Brian Atlasgirl telling me I'm mid is like the least of my worries um you get death threats oh yeah oh my God what mes I get death threats like every day okay men or women who do you get worse from uh mostly dudes most dudes but like a lot

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)of girls too oh okay go ahead I'm ready I'd [ __ ] settle for you you'd wait you would I [ __ ] that would be like the worst

Brian Atlasthat you asked for right oh I don't know I forgot what I wow so would I have to wait one one last thing so because you would be settling

Brian Atlasfor me when it comes to our looks like I'm just I'm way too mid for you do you think that I would have to really make up for it like if I wanted to land you if I wanted to get you on a date and

Brian Atlashave some carnal knowledge like I would have to like I'd have to be really like I'd have to make up for it so like really funny really good personality

Brian AtlasRich right like do I have to make up for it my lack of commensurate physical attractiveness sorry am I understanding

Andrew Wilsonyour question right are you asking if you would have to make up for it and lookwise for both he's saying he looks worse he's saying if he looks worse than you objectively by your standard you're

Andrew WilsonNate he's a six wouldn't he need to compensate for his lack of looks with some other quality for you to like hypothetically if you were single to date me right so I

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)would say know that you would have to make up for a big time I would have to make up for it big time that you wouldn't have to make up for a big time not big time but a little bit a little

Brian Atlastime not big time Big Time Big Time little time what would you rate Tom

Andrew WilsonBrady what would you rate Tom Brady five just cuz he's not my type wait what do youer so so you would you would be settling for Tom Brady yeah yeah makes

Brian Atlassense would you uh is your type white Latino black do you have a Latino okay PLO Plum what's his name plop pluma peso pluma would you what do

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you rate peso pluma is he your type or yeah he's my type cuz he's light complected I he's wait what what like light complected

Brendalights skins Latino yeah and that's my type but I'd give him I guess like

Brian Atlasa an eight okay so he's like you League like same league like that's a that's a fair match up okay yeah you're so you're

Brian Atlasjust as good-look as for a woman as he is for a man yeah oh I'm trying to think of a hot what

Brian Atlasabout who's that guy who Joe Rogan beefed with Carlos menia would you who is that I she probably that's like beyond their T what

Andrew WilsonCarlos Mania do you know who that is he's an ugly [ __ ] though I don't know I'm just trying to think of famous latino man okay how about this how about this in his prime Antonio Berez do do

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)you know who that is uh a bit I forgot how he looked like in his prime wait who's like a is Johnny Depp Bad Bunny Tino maluma I think he's white Johnny

Andrew WilsonDepp is white okay how about this how about an easier one yeah give us a famous actor who you think is who you're really attracted to who you think is about equal in attractiveness to you

Brian Atlasthat's a good question Andrew give us a give us an

Brendaactor so I don't know I don't know his name exactly but I know like the band that he's a part of band what's he's 30 Seconds to Mars Jared Leo no I mean like

Brian Atlasa Hispanic band okay what's it called yeah we'll we'll find it what's it's called is laon e l a b o

Brian Atlasn e e s and what does he play what's his position he's a singer singer of it's just E

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)estone I don't speak Spanish bro help me e s l a b o n es es laone Pedro Tovar yeah

Brian Atlasmhm okay Pedro Pedro tavar can you go uh Google IM him Big D on the ones and

Brian Atlastwos Pedro I mean why are we I don't know oh hey wait he's he's with peso

Brendapluma oh yeah they have a song together uh do you have it Damian yeah all right you got it

Brian Atlaswell don't open the image just Google Images uh whatever his name is okay Pedro tar I

Brendamean that see mhm I mean he's not exactly a male model I mean those aren't really pictures of his what I would specifically go for CU those are old pictures but yeah that's him you just

Mary Gracereally have a type I do have a type and I mean y'all can look at him and be like okay well he's overweight but I mean I've dated guys that like have some stomach to him I mean he cannot be all

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)y'all's type and be like I'd Rite that guy at five y'all could write me all y numbers that y'all want but it's the level type of confidence that I am it's not just going based off of looks that I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)feel like I am but going based off my personality that I know of myself yeah but it's about the question is about looks it's about very

Brendagood it's about looks I know and I still stand at eight cuz I mean I know what I had to work on and I mean think I'm beautiful like naturally wait how about

Andrew Wilsonthis you well what do you have to work on losing weight what and then so I I would guess then that when you lose the weight I guess from your perspective you would then be a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)10 yeah yeah M I don't know if it's like a weight issue right cuz I feel like you don't I didn't think it was about weight I don't

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that you don't look over way at all oh you but no I would like I think that's the why I would rate myself an eight that's if it's a weight po you can get it like literally Zapped out and you can just like look like a 10 tomorrow when

Brendayou lose weight you lose weight in your face so like your face sorry I got [ __ ] I'm yeah so I was overweight I was like 200 lb and my face was like completely

Brendadifferent wait you used to be 200 lb you have photo um when I was like 190 yeah yeah yeah but I don't have a lot of photos

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)when I was like bigger High School like features you have a nice nose yes ask ask a question who is a woman any anybody cele celebrity influencer or whoever that you would consider a 10

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)right now like anyone anyone that you would like who what woman do you consider a tanic be anybody Megan Fox bro yeah like her too so you're saying if you lost

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)weight that you think you would be on the same level as Megan Fox I don't think I'd be at the same level but but you're rating you're saying if you lost weight you'd be a 10 cuz I'd be confident to be a 10 once I lost the way I don't have to look the same as her I

Brian Atlasdon't have to well you wouldn't you wouldn't look the same as her but your appraisal of attractiveness despite differences in in look obviously you would be as attractive as her yeah cuz I

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)mean it's about how I feel like nobody else can feel that same way but I mean it's the type of level of confidence that I'll have when I'm a 10 to be like okay I'm just as pretty as her she can have blue eyes I can have brown eyes and I can view myself in a different type of

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)way do you think you would be able to track the same kinds of men men that Megan Fox can I mean no cuz everybody has their own time yeah like and I mean it's clear that you're not you're not seeing it

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you're not seeing it in your eyes and it's pretty obvious but I'm not really looking for like the approval of anybody here to be like oh yeah no I see what like or anybody that's viewing being like Oh yeah I would view you the same

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)way that I would view like Megan Fox or whatever I'm just asking you personally like I know that it doesn't M like I could go get $100,000 of plastic surgery and I don't personally think that I would ever be on Megan Fox's level but you're saying that if you just lost a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)little bit of weight you would be the same levels of attractiveness as her not that you would look the same as her but that you would be objectively to the world and to yourself to the same level that she is be the same number as her I wouldn't look the same as her or be on

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the same I understand what you're saying I'm just confused on like your your gauge that's all this is a real debate I know you the number on like I'm not saying that you're that you're not like datable or you're not attractive I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)just don't think like I don't think anybody on this panel including myself is on Megan Fox's level and I don't think anything that they could really do would get them there no that's fine but you can do anything you can do anything

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)with money do you see Lindsay Lohan Lindsay yeah yeah yeah yeah she changed she changed a lot like pth surgery regen therapy is very very good now and then it's also it's an argument of it's fake

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)and it's a lie and Megan Fox I'm sure she's had a little bit of work done but I don't think that she's I don't think that she's changed her entire look or anything I mean we could we could also just say like young Megan Fox when she was like 20 or something yeah she was a

Brian Atlas10 then too we don't even have to say like current Megan Fox like how do you how do you compare to like Prime Megan Fox not you I'm just in saying she still looks like almost the same no no she's I

Brendadon't see any difference that's crazy you don't see any difference well like obviously she's aged but I still see her as like a like a hot chit oh I think a lot of people would say she's still very

Brian Atlasattractive but I mean I don't think if you put them together I don't know is it because of her age like a no it's well I mean the age there's a physical

Brian Atlasmanifestation of her age that like she doesn't look as good as she did when she was younger less makeup but lately so so

Andrew Wilsonthen chair two what are the like if you if you were to say uh to the guy we were just talking to about this about the objective Beauty standard what are the

Andrew Wilsonthings that you would say she would need to change to fit your criteria of its 10 is that a question for me yeah that's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)for you oh okay what for her to be a 10 yeah she can't be a 10 no he asking what can she change like oh like you think that if she changed something about her face she can't physically possibly be a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)10 I think you can do anything with plastic surgery you can literally do anything yeah no I think that there's everybody here could do something to enhance their appearance

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I I don't like I don't really think that anybody here is going to be a 10 nine maybe a 10 is keep in mind a 10 is like basically unattainable the top 0.5% of

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the world maybe maybe lower than that is a 10 so I don't think that there's anything anybody on this panel is going to do to be a 10 there you go uh okay we have Sharon share 2 and7 thank you for

Brian Atlasbeing honest so tired of girls trying to protect girls that they just met feelings this is why men are way more

Brian Atlastrustworthy than women Sharon with the hund uh that's chair two and then chair seven I believe and then we have a message coming from Michael Jones thank

TTS Readeryou man Michael Jones donated $200 CH six is delusional Megan Fox is a 10 this chick is an adjustable five six

TTS Readerafter losing weight based chair 2 Brian you need to reel in these 304s also hey chair eight what's up

Brian AtlasMichael dude you need a you need a wink hey Michael oh wow okay all right there it is thank you Michael for the TTS guys W's in the chat for Michael Jones Mike Jones are you going to drop

Brian Atlassome more lyrics from uh on song all right uh final thing on the rating thing do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time you're 24 better looking at

Brian Atlas34 [ __ ] yes okay better looking in 20 years time at 44 no okay you're 26 do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time at 36 I think I'll be just

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)really I think I'll be just taking my my dip from my Peak like down yeah I don't think I'll be better looking at 36 I think I'll be on the on the downtrend okay uh so not better looking at 46 no

Brian Atlasokay but you'll be you think you'll be a bit more attractive than you are now or at 30 probably okay uh you're 33 better looking in 10 years time at 43 43

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)oo I'm going to enjoy my you know AG the moment I believe that I'm

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)fine so uh better looking at 43 a better looking a better looking to be honest can I get

Brian Atlasbut I will try to you know keep this looking yeah so just yes yes or no yes

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)yes okay 20 years time 53 53 yeah ah 53 I'm not going to you

Brian Atlasknow like but uh I'm not no better looking no okay and then going back 10 years time were you better looking at 23

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)than you are now at 33 oh I love me looking right now now now okay so better looking now 33 uh Ivy you're 23 better looking in 10 years I'm 33 oh I'm 24 but

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)yes um I think my bad at 34 yeah I think I will be better looking at 34 okay and then 10 years uh 20 years time excuse me 24 to 44 do you think you'll be better

Brian Atlaslooking ah no I don't think so okay so 34 but okay all right and then Bailey you're 23 better looking in 10 years time at 33 yes 20 years time 43 no okay

Brian Atlasuh you're 20 4 better looking in 10 years time at 34 no okay you're 23 better looking in 10 years time at 33 no okay alinaa you're 20 better looking at

Brian Atlas30 better probably not okay all right there it is do we have the age and gender swaps just age for now okay keep an eye out if there's any other batches or the

Brian Atlasgender swap all right guys we've age Advanced you is it ready to go okay we've aged Advance all of you I know some of you said no some of you said yes

Brendabut let's take a look [ __ ] [ __ ] oh my god wow why do I look so old you're cute that taken C it was in the beginning it was I wasn't even

Brian Atlasposing okay you're cute you look fine in the first one okay uh all right next whoa you know what you look like that

Brian Atlaslady who smokes at like a let me hear the hold on you got to hear the rest at like like not like a premier casino but like a Casino in Reno that's hilarious like that's where

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I would see you my mom my mom is in her trailer park Grandma trailer park I know I know I do but I think I look just like my mother my mother's had like no worked on her anything and she's objectively incredibly attractive for her age so I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think if I age like her I'll be all right [ __ ] yeah to your credit the tits still look great oh yeah no aging there um do you know my fiance wanted me to get fake ones it was like a sticking point in our relationship he wanted me to get a BB he

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)he told me I didn't have any boobs he wanted me to get a BBL and giant fake tits wow I this is a fake no they're real wow wow

Kelly/Otherperiod right next I can't oh my God I'm still rockstar I like rockar I like this like this that's quite cute

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)actually I can't I don't think I can awell no I to screen at this you don't look like you age much in the middle one though you look kind like just a little bit but my face so you know there's no

Kelly/Otherway that's 30 what 34 there's no way that AI was the [ __ ] AI next oh cute that's cute oh what's this

Brian Atlasdoll oh my God next oh okay okay

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Unknownnext they love you they love you you look cute who you look oh that's crazy wow

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)it's for fun enjoy it while it lasts I love this I love this uh is there is there more what the [ __ ] oh that's funny oh you where's yours yeah where's yours

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)thank you that's funny one uh let's oh that's pretty not bad that's really nice Andrew [ __ ] gandol over here

Andrew Wilsonhang on hang on that looks exactly like my father oh oh really what the heck looks like his dad okay what about you I mean like spitting image of my old

Brian Atlasman next oh my God looks like a yo you guys

Brian Atlas[ __ ] at least your eyes are still blue so do we have gender swap holy [ __ ] bro I got to lose some we okay um we got this H okay well let keep

Brian Atlaskeep an eye out on though Daman in case we get gender swap or another batch uh we have oh no pis donated I like that don't

Brian AtlasF don't do that don't do that oh no not to my knowledge no do happen to be blind I think he was

Brian Atlasreferencing the oh the yeah yeah yeah sweet uh let's see here uh okay that's it for the rating thing uh we're just going to get into the uh actually no we we have a react I've been wanting to to react to this since December we're

Brian Atlasfinally going to do it I think we have enough time to do it uh so Damien pull up the Tik Tok yeah uh you might have to adjust the volume a little bit okay we're going to be reacting to this video

Brian Atlassome of you might have seen it was this viral video uh a woman was broken up with go ahead and pull it up we're going to get uh started from the beginning we have audio

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)too the volum live boyfriend and [Music]

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)everything be closer to my dad so you give up half of your career quit your improv troop and have a

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)goodbye take offs of work your savings M and drive toex so for the love of your life that wants a future with you because said so

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)so you spent a month waiting for your [ __ ] to arrive and then another mon moving in and building furniture and Stu and you're so Happ family

Unknownonom how did I this whole time and years of happiness we've been incompatible this whole time

Unknownand that we have nothing in common for 3 and2 years how did [Music]

UnknownI and then you drive to Florida to live your mom all right um so this one

Brian Atlasviral uh and so basically she was dating this guy for what three and a half years they move he breaks up with her we don't know the exact timeline shortly

Brian Atlasthereafter maybe a month a couple months after the move uh your reaction starting with you oh well sorry

Brendathat she went through that if you end up watching this I'm sorry but like it's like there no communication you know cuz I feel like if you're communicating being constantly with your partner um you'd be able to know whether or not like they're into the relationship or

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)they're like taking a step back so I just feel like yeah your take I just lived that I was moving to another country halfway across like all the way across the world

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)so uh I think that was a little bit over dramatic like it doesn't even seem like she gave up her her job or anything it sucks like that's always going to suck but I would never want to be with

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)somebody who didn't want me or didn't see so it's it completely sucks but you you pick yourself up make a little joke out of it and you move on it's traumatic but that makes us who we are so yeah I

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)what about you yeah it is what it is just you know God saved her from you know somebody else I think it's a good chance for her moving another chapter start another chapter what about you oh

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I I felt like that was really that was really traumatizing I think I went through a similar experience and so I think I can understand trauma it was wait it's traumatizing yeah traumatizing yeah trauma okay what happened to her

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like oh my God traumatizing I think that she like gave up her whole life for this guy that said that he loved her and then I think that it still happens when you know it's I think they were communicating I think honestly he just probably found someone better and was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like oh there's like options out there for me he didn't realize there was option well we don't know that she didn't say anything about that and he went on family vacation like he left her for a bit comes back like I want to break up like what yeah maybe he talked to his parents and the parents were like

Brian Atlasyeah this is not the girl but um okay what about you Bailey what do you think cuz you're bad guy what do you think I think um I think everything happens for a reason and I think that there's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)someone better out there for which one for her her okay but like is he a dick breaking up with her after the moon like what I mean you ultimately can't control what your

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)partner does so I think that she um just needs to move on like yes it's going to hurt but she's going to be able to find someone who values her and everything so I say that sucks cuz I moved all the way

Brendato New Jersey for a guy and he broke up with me and um we had to move back to Texas while we were broken up in the plane so I kind of get what she's feeling Lord so she's had to pick herself up us some therapy and she'll

Alinaget better okay what about I mean they were incompatible so it's unfortunate Alina your thoughts I mean there's definitely more to the story than we're seeing my question is why are you

Alinaposting on social media about a threeyear relationship breakup that seems like too much um private information out there that um might reflect some things that she did in the

Brian Atlasrelationship that made him break up with her it's pretty pretty base take um she did I mean she like blocked his

Brian Atlasface but like total strangers won't know who it is but like they obviously probably had like shared friend shared Social Circle kind of putting them on blast like that kind of it really quick before I give my take though pull up the

Brian Atlascomments I think this is like what I thought you know can criticize the video or whatever but like some of these comments are crazy so uh make it a little bigger for

Brian Atlasme sending him generational curses from Africa scroll down you gave him life privilege is without being the wife okay whatever that means sending him stress

Brian Atlasfrom the engineering World sending so they're literally cursing the guy sending him sleepless nights of regret from Germany uh he tried to so they want

Brian Atlasthey want the guy to suffer it's he tried to dump you politely when he said he wanted to move whatever uh do not do anything for men until he puts a ring on your finger oh that's a whole another that's a whole another conversation we

Brian Atlascould get into but scroll down a bit he gave you okay whatever uh if you're so hurt why do you film yourself and upload it on the internet Michael Jones I'll get your TTS in just a sec here uh this

Brian Atlaswhole production Makes You Queen he owes you financial compensation wrong um scroll down a

Brian AtlasKata India sending him black magic from kolata India sending him an eternity of chapped lips scroll down I'll do a couple more I see balding in this future

Brian Atlaswow hit the the plus didn't scroll down sending him generational curses from Africa wait guys guys please don't talk while somebody else is talking scroll

Brian Atlasdown uh or he owes you Financial compens oh did it just duplicate it he cheated blah blah blah okay go to the Tik Tok I want to see the comments on Tik

Brian AtlasTok there's a few more uh so you can criticize like what she did but like these comments going after him are kind of crazy imagine he has to read it huh can't screen that's fine it's

Brian Atlasfine uh make it bigger though so I can read the comments also the internet they probably found bigger bigger bigger scroll scroll up let me start it from up up up uh okay

Brian Atlasboyfriends aren't husbands blah blah blah blah uh he made you move then handed you note I thought okay thank you for uh uh scroll

Brian Atlasdown never let them take you to a second location okay that's weird uh it seems like the Instagram ones were worse uh oh can't you 880,000 likes can't you sue

Brian Atlashim for something and then uh let's see if there's any take Amanda there with the verified check take him to court send him the send him the mov costs and

Brian AtlasFurniture to pay if he doesn't sue him and claim he used you so the I don't know if these women are joking or they genuinely think that there's actually some sort of like legal Avenue that she

Brian Atlascan take here which I think is completely ridiculous isn't there Pony like if no that's not I mean in Canada it's [ __ ] cuck Canada has some weird cuck [ __ ] like that but scroll down hire

Brian Atlasan attorney I did and my ex had to pay that's [ __ ] Bo totally bogus um maybe in a marriage there's I mean not

Brian Atlaswhatever uh so multiple people saying sue him get money ask for money scroll down scroll down the uh let me see if there's any

Brian Atlasmore that are interesting scroll down scroll down scroll down deserves to go viral uh let that me okay anyways so there's like different comments there's some comments about money there's some

Andrew Wilsoncomments like [ __ ] this guy we're we hope he gets cursed and [ __ ] that's kind of weird hoping but Brian he was on a journey and

Andrew Wilsonall he was doing was Finding himself for self-discovery and then he came home and he told her that he didn't want her anymore cuz they weren't compatible and she freaked out I don't really understand CU all he really needs is

Brian Atlastherapy and then he'll find himself can we make that go viral too that's not little autotune maybe little autotune in there the interesting thing for me here is at least with the comments right before I get into like my reaction to

Brian Atlasher video the people that are calling for her to sue him first off I'm not a I'm not an attorney but there's no I mean look maybe some attorneys in

Brian Atlasthe chat can clarify do we have any Andrew maybe you have attorneys in your chat there's attorneys in our chat there's no legal cause of action can't do anything there's no legal cause of

Brian Atlasaction where you could like oh you spent money on your boyfriend your boyfriend breaks up with you he owes you money no absent absent him like you loaning him money in her case for example you

Brian Atlasactually would have a legal claim I don't know the laws in Korea though but uh if you spend money on somebody in this sort of way that's

Brian Atlasessentially a relationship you cannot recuperate the spent invested money on them in addition to that I think it's really interesting because most of those

Brian Atlaswomen 880,000 it was like $80,000 likes oh you he should be financially responsible you should sue him how would women feel if we took y'all on a date and paid for the date and you didn't

Brian Atlas[ __ ] us and we're like oh give me my money back you guys would be like what the [ __ ] no that's crazy to even think like that so the same goes for women though just because you invest in us we

Brian Atlasdon't owe you like in the same way you don't owe us anything in the same way that women if we take you to dinner you don't you don't owe the guys sex I don't I don't think that if you if a guy takes

Brian Atlasyou out he pays the bill you don't owe him sex if a guy takes you out for a first date you don't you don't owe him a second date you don't owe him you don't owe him anything point someone in my chat points

Andrew Wilsonout what about common law marriage I think they were in California I don't think there's cohabitation well some states I think you only have to cohabitate for a few months before it applies to you well I so I don't know

Brian Atlasthe specifics of that but you are right that there is there is a common law marriage where the even though you're not actually married if you've been holding yourself I think it's if you's like cohabitation but you also there's

Brian Atlasthere's other prongs to falling in the snare of common law marriage it's not necessarily just cohabitation I think you also have to be holding I could be

Brian Atlaswrong again I'm not a lawyer it's state specific to and I believe they were in California right I don't know I think you have to also be holding yourself out as if you were married to I think that

Andrew Wilsonis one component of it but nevertheless if you're cohabitating in a common law state you might get insens snared neither neither state has it though California does not recognize common law

Brian Atlasmarriage yeah so and Texas Texas also there has to be certain deorations so even then though when it comes to her out-of-pocket expenses moving she wouldn't that wouldn't even be a claim

Brian Atlasto like recoup her actual expenses she could attempt to make a claim for uh under the state's law if there is common law marriage for alimony but they were together for only

Brian Atlas3 and a half years the alimony would if it was even granted would be for a very short period of time Most states I think you have to be married beyond for a certain length seven years well it depends on the state but you have to be married for a certain period of time

Brian Atlasbefore you can get alimony and the length of the marriage would determine how long the alimony payment uh is being made in any case she can't recuperate the money for the cost of the move this

Brian Atlassort of thing but it's really interesting that all these women saying this would like [ __ ] laugh in a dude's face if as a guy you take a girl out on a date and she's not interested

Brian Atlasand you're like oh can you just venmo me the 20 bucks that I spent on you for the burgers or whatever so like I think that's really interesting that component and then I think the other component is

Brian Atlasum is uh [ __ ] what is it oh I don't think it's interesting like y'all women you'll you'll if you're not into a guy like it's dumb yeah and like if

Brian Atlasyou'd probably clown on a dude if he was kind of upset oh like I took you on a date oh we've been dating for a month oh we've been dating for three months oh we've been dating for a year it's like if he's all butt hurt about the breakup like he can obviously be upset but if

Brian Atlashe's going to like go and make some [ __ ] video or get all bent out of shape over the breakup you're not most women are not going to be pleased with that sort of situation

Brian Atlasbut it's weird to me like why do you and look I know it's not all women but why do y'all feel so entitled to a relationship be and I'll paint it like

Brian Atlasthis in the same way that women are not vending machines that you put niess tokens into or date tokens into and it

Brian Atlaspops out sex women are not sex vending machines men are not relationship vending machines so regardless of the investment that you've put into us we don't owe you any sort of continuity I

Brian Atlasdon't care if we've been dating four years if I've made a determination that I don't want to date you you're gone and I don't owe you anything in the same way that if you wanted to dump me for any

Brian Atlasreason or no reason at all you would do it and you don't owe me anything so I don't think just because you've been in a relationship for three three years and

Brian Atlasthat she made this move and she totally exaggerated like okay she took off months of work to

Brian Atlasmove it doesn't take what about her her improv tro her improv troop and she she only gave up Andrew half of her music career only she said she gave up half of

Andrew Wilsonit whatever the [ __ ] that means I don't what about what about her improv troop though Brian you seem to be forgetting the strong bonds that happen inside of improv troops very strong life altering

Brian Atlaslife-changing bonds that last forever and ever from your improv truth yeah but I I think uh I don't know it's to me CU and I got I actually I know I could

Brian Atlasnever leave my improv truth Brian it's hard you I actually used to do improv when I was like 19 I thought theater was

Brian Atlasa red flag I am a red flag so anyway um but uh no it's uh well used to used to yeah I gave it up no longer have the flag could you imagine if that video was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to the flip side and it was her like with a little tune like and then I packed up and then I left him because whatever I didn't like what color socks he was wearing on Tuesday the internet and the comments would be like hell yeah

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you go girl boss babe like the comments would be so different if the video was her leaving him instead of him breaking up with her when she got there and also if he would have made that video the whole internet this is so wrong and the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you to make this video of her like how dare you put her on the internet even though you blurred her face like if the shoe was on the other foot it would be so different yeah it would be like oh he's kind of like w he's really intense

Brian Atlaslike yeah she want look tough tough buddy she wanted to break up with you like that it's a really good point and it's the point I'm trying to make like imagine a guy's like man I I I took her

Brian Atlasout on three dates and she didn't give me [ __ ] they'd be like so like a girl doesn't owe you sex because you took her on three dates a guy just because you

Brian Atlasput some sort some degree of investment into the guy doesn't mean he owes you continuity in the relationship I think uh the big thing though is like look the criticism here is like why did he do

Brian Atlasthis after the move maybe he could have dumped her before but we don't know like maybe he was all in on the move and wanted to keep seeing her I think people reserve the right to end a relationship

Brian Atlasat any time and so maybe he made a determination after the move maybe may he saw like hm living with her in one location where she's comfortable she's cool but like she's a [ __ ] headcase

Brian Atlaswhen we're actually stressed out and have to do a move I don't want to deal with a girl like that who knows post move and then he ends it but we don't look we don't know if that's actually the case but what is interesting is

Brian Atlasthere is look people could say look he should have broken up with her before but if like he only came to the determination let's say he only came to the determination that he was over the relationship

Brian Atlasafter the move how can you fault him for ending like what is he supposed to do I guess I'll keep [ __ ] her for 3 months and then I'll dump her what's he supposed to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)do also like you don't know like there's there's missing context like clearly I mean I do think it's weird that he wrote her a note after 3 years like that's pretty weird like maybe this guy exuberate some red flags before that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)happened you should I don't think you've been dating for 3 years and you live together you're you pass them a note like it's first grade like do you like Check Yes or No but maybe that demonstrates that he just doesn't know how to communicate so he just writes it letter but that being said if he didn't

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)know how to communicate like I knew that my ex didn't know how to communicate prior to me moving to Australia and I just accepted that I either accept that he can't communicate or I'm out and I accepted that he can't communicate she must have known but three years in prior

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to moving that this guy is a little goofy in his communication skills so you could tell that she was all for him she literally started building furniture for him like she was all in and maybe she was like oblivious to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the little signs that he was like giving that he's not in it because she really wanted it and then she got the note who's to say he wasn't in he wasn't yeah he was so I mean he could have met somebody assumptions he could have met somebody that he deemed a better option

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)he could have she could have done said the wrong thing on the wrong day and it was just again like that straw that broke the camel's back anything could happened but because it's from her point of view and her perspective there's missing context in that video it's that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)video in Little tune was made just to like shame him for breaking up with her yeah also if that guy if anybody if anybody knows who he is I want him on the show I'll

Brian Atlasfly you out little little vacation from Texas to yes to Santa bar I will fly you out because the internet dragged this guy I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)want his side of the story right I will fly you out I'll cover your expenses we'll have him on the show yeah cuz she painted like such a nasty narrative especially like making it with the tune she like I I obiously I don't know if

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)she knew like how the algorith algorithm works but like you know like that's how you get people to like you like just to be funny and witty and you know painting that narrative is like [ __ ] up I think where the funny and witty part though

Brendawell her emojis um her uh the Emojis and the song like that that was her way that was her comedy or her um her way of being funny and dealing with that song

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)sucked didn't it suck it was terrible it was some like artsy hipster you know thrown together kind of thing I I also think that women that cry

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)on the internet I think that women's tears are only truly like true honest to God tears when they're by themselves if you can cry into a camera I don't find it to be like very legit yeah it's like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)oh my God it's like let me yeah it's like and then they put the phone down and they're like all right what where are we going for dinner it's so like it's women's tears are only real when they're by themselves like into their pillow having like a real actual

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)meltdown that's you don't and you don't call anyone you don't call your best friend you don't call your mom you have your little emotional meltdown and cry in your bed alone if if you're posting it on the Internet it's they're fake tears or yeah it's just I don't know can

Brian Atlasyou uh Damien can you Google wait I'm gon to send it to you there's a beautiful Socrates quote go ahead pull that up uh there's a

Brian AtlasSocrates quote I wonder if there's an image search for it uh go to the image search show show me the image search for this oh my God there's wait that's funny

Brian Atlastab over just go ahead tab over that's funny there's actually a [ __ ] clip from look at the Tik Tock clip the fourth one over that's from my

Brian Atlasthat's hey that's a Ryan oryan taban um that's funny that's from my podcast uh click on the first

Brian Atlasone by wait what oh next one over my bad trust not a woman when she weeps for

Brian Atlasit is her nature to weep when she wants her will wa that's really a little bit of toxic masculinity from Socrates going around the table do you uh agree with

Brian Atlasthis you disagree honestly I need to read the the I'll get the ttss in just a sec guys I apologize for the delay dress not a

Brendawoman when she weeps for it is her nature to weep when she wants her will um yeah I mean I I do see a lot of like philosophy

Brendaum you know ideas and and I do believe in a lot of them so like when I see this I I see it as like a Poss a possibility to like yeah like be true you know

Brendaespecially just like knowing um like me being a woman I could definitely find myself like you know doing something for like attention and then just well Brian

Andrew Wilsondidn't even give you the good one you see the one of the um students of of Socrates Plato and then from Plato to Aristotle Aristotle said wherefore women

Andrew Wilsonare more compassionate and more ready to weep more jealous and quarrelsome more fond of railing and more contentious the female is also more subject to depression of spirits and despair than the male she's also

Andrew WilsonShameless and false more readily deceived and more mindful of energy or of injury more watchful more idle and on the whole less excitable than the male on the contrary the male is more ready to help

Andrew Wilsonand uh as it has been said more Brave than the female and even uh in the Malaysia if the sepia is struck with the Trident the male comes to help the

Andrew Wilsonfemale but the female makes her Escape if the male is struck so just saying the philosophers of old did not seem to have well I mean they had a a high opinion of

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)women I guess but they seem to understand the nature pretty well didn't they I just think that overall like obviously these philosophers suffers like they're all male but the one that you referen I like that he mentioned that women are more compassionate CU

Brendagenerally women are more compassionate than men so we say a good thing you understand he's not saying that he's saying that you're a slave to Passion like saying that we're slave to Passion we have like no emotional agility that

Andrew Wilsonwe can't control our emtions compassion in and of itself um he's he's making a reference here wherefore women are more compassionate and more ready to weep

Andrew Wilsonmore jealous more quarrel right he's saying actually that they're a slave to their passion in this case that their compassion is often misplaced because it's a part of their nature right I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think that you that's what he's saying you do see that comment a lot towards girls like oh you're being too emotional right now or like oh you can't control your emotions and that's not usually towards guys I do see that a lot more I literally said it to my sister last

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)night cuz she was crying but it's like she cried because she didn't know how to express herself so I don't know some women they feel helpless that they actually can't do anything and so their only other alternative is to cry not and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I guess it kind of does play into Socrates where he's like oh woman cried to like get their way and I could see that as well I think that it's like they don't see any other action that they could take in that moment than to just

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)cry and it's just like a way for them to relieve like stress or built up tension within um and also women I think that you know we feel like it's a lot easier to cry I've have not seen that many guys cry in my life and it's like an Asian

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)saying like guys only cry three times in their life it's like when they're born when their dad dies and when I don't know their Grandma Mom I forgot you know the saying right yeah can I ask like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)would you guys feel as if like um like you that is most definitely not the saying isn't that the same let you know that is most definitely not the same yeah it's the same no she knows it it's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)in Korean yeah Korean thing it's a Korean that's not the three times they cry though oh sorry yeah yeah I think I did it wrong I think I did it wrong it was like when they're born when someone dies and then for the last one when they

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)go to the military I think it was that I think guys mostly view crying as a sort of manipulative thing or I guess most guys cuz I can say all guys as a

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)manipulative thing of girls to do to just get their way but I think most girls are emotional don't really know how to control their emotions or they're just super emotional and just end up

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)crying because they're hurt not necessarily for wanting to like get their way or want to like manipulate their way and their situation it's only I have to I have to kind of give you a

Andrew Wilsonfirm disagreement here so I think um I think women don't have much in the way of recourse except two ways vicious slander or through manipulation and here's why I think this so men always

Andrew Wilsonhave an option women don't which is force women don't even really have a force option against other women right it's not really something they do now it has become more prominent now that women fight or are willing to go fist to cuffs

Andrew Wilsonwith each other but it's still not nearly as common as it is with men and uh on top of that they can't do that with men so what they do instead is

Andrew Wilsontheir kind of ways of fighting back are either through U emotional minations or through the idea of slander right those are kind of the two Pathways that they

Andrew Wilsonhave because what else do they have so if Bob is giving me a bunch of trouble I can punch Bob in the mouth and that's totally social acceptable I can't punch Linda in the mouth that's totally not

Andrew Wilsonsocially acceptable on the other hand if Linda punches me in the mouth that's laughable right it's just like uh okay well what did you accomplish here um did

Andrew Wilsonyou know perhaps you hurt your hand right so the thing is is like they don't really have much but two options and so I think that that's uh I I I do think it's a form of manipulation now you could argue that that manipulation is

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)necessary because that's what's at their disposal but I do think it's manipulation for sure I think it's the only defense mechanism that women really have besides what you just said like going on a on a smear campaign just like a skunk gets scared and sprays or a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)porcupine gets scared and puts their their spikes up women's only real defense mechanism is crying like that's all they can do I wouldn't agree with that because I I would say we could as

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you know wom kind of put in the work and control our emotions and maybe come from a place with logic and conversation you know and not just Qui cry and I get it like but a man who's decided to break up with you that guy that like that video

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that's how this conversation all started that video of that girl crying there besides her smear campaign and her tears there's nothing that she can do to that guy she could leave and then he left her that's why she made the video and she was upset he he gave her to to tear

Andrew Wilsonone's point I don't think she's wrong I think that women are capable of logical discourse and reason everything else I don't think they're incapable of this at all uh I just think that ultimately what

Andrew Wilsonbacks it with men if if men have like a logical dispute or Reason dispute or something like this we ultimately have something that we can defer to force

Andrew WilsonDoctrine yes okay I we both think we're right uh so one of us can always just beat the [ __ ] out of the other right so we can decide it that way we have a threshold breaker completely that doesn't exist that doesn't exist for

Andrew Wilsonwomen I also think a lot of times just like simply isn't there so so chair one like what do you do to get revenge right I know what men do to get revenge often times like if I ever see that guy again I'm going to punch him right in the

Andrew Wilsonmouth and then they do it right they actually do it women don't really have that available to them so what they do is they run slander campaigns or emotional manipulation like what what other choices available to them they

Brendacould not to get revenge at all take accountability I agree with that I'm just saying that if if they were to want to for whatever reason that would be the the option available to them yeah yeah yeah

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)or there's the option of walking away evolving becoming the absolute best version of yourself I mean they might never they might never care but there is like if there was all these issues in the relationship and you step away from the from a relationship or from whatever

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