HEATED Debate With Woke Feminist?! Boss Babe Picks Career Over PERFECT Man?! | Dating Talk #229

Date: 2025-02-19

Duration: 8h 15m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Alina(guest)

SPEAKER_02Kelly/Other(guest)

SPEAKER_03Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brenda(guest)

SPEAKER_06TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_13Mary Grace(guest)

SPEAKER_14Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions — all 8 women introduce themselves

“Brian: 'without further ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. Please tell us your name, age, location, occupation and education.'”

QuoteBrenda says she'd pick her business over a husband and kids if forced to choose

“Brian: 'husband children or Rave podcast and your business... which do you pick if you have to pick one?' / Brenda: 'it would [keep what I'm doing]' / Brian: 'the entailment of that is that you die single and alone' / Brenda: 'I love myself so I will be okay with that.'”

TopicMary Grace reveals she found her current boyfriend through the Whatever podcast

“Mary Grace: 'I am in a relationship thanks to you [Brian]' — she's dating a CFO (35) who watched her previous appearance, slid into her DMs, and they've been together 2 months. Brian: 'I'm invited to the wedding?'”

ControversyBrenda reveals she was 5150'd after domestic fight with ex on her birthday

“Brenda describes a domestic physical altercation with her ex on her birthday that led to her being handcuffed by police, taken to jail, then 5150'd at a hospital. She bit chunks of his arm while being choked. No charges filed. Ex had called 911. Story includes an OnlyFans subscription to her best friend.”

IntroAndrew Wilson joins remotely — just back from Debate Con

“Brian: 'oh look who it is hey Andrew good to see you man' / Andrew: 'oh do we have sorry I'm late... I was on a trip all weekend'”

QuoteBrenda reveals she had an OnlyFans that she paused when in relationship

“Andrew: 'if you're doing OnlyFans then you can't really have any moral problems with him if he's watching other OF girls' / Brenda admits ex subscribed to her best friend's OF page during arguments.”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round — guests rate their own looks 1-10

“Brenda: 8, Patrice: 8 (originally tried 7), Kelly: 6.9, Ivy: 6, Brian: 5. Andrew: 'I'm probably 4.' Discussion of whether anyone on the panel can be a 10. Debate over Megan Fox comparisons with Brenda.”

ControversyViral breakup TikTok reaction — woman mourning ex who dumped her after she moved

“Panel watches viral video of woman set to sad music detailing how she gave up career/improv troop/savings to move for boyfriend who then dumped her. Patrice most resonant — just lived something similar in Australia. Andrew makes sardonic comments about 'finding himself.' Brian: 'men are not relationship vending machines.'”

ControversyAndrew's argument: women's primary conflict tool is emotional manipulation/slander because they lack access to force

“Andrew: 'men always have an option women don't which is force... what they do instead is their kind of ways of fighting back are either through emotional manipulations or through the idea of slander.' Extended philosophical debate with panel. Brenda concedes women plot and scheme more.”

ControversyWoke feminist debate — Ivy argues women cannot be sexist toward men (requires power)

“Ivy presents academic 'prejudice + power = ism' framework. Andrew and Brian systematically challenge with examples (nurse killing men, woman serial killer, reverse Harvard quota). Ivy eventually concedes on racism against Asian people. Chat: 'the whole idea that sexism is Prejudice plus power is only held by people with room temperature IQ.'”

ControversyWould you send 100 innocent men to prison to prevent 1 rapist from walking free? — Brenda says yes

“Brenda says she would send 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years. Bailey says no. Brian invokes Blackstone's ratio. Andrew calls Brenda a fascist (via chat read by Alina).”

ControversyPatrice reveals her ex forced himself on her on 3 separate occasions

“Brian asks about Patrice's previous disclosure. She reveals her first boyfriend forced himself on her multiple times. She stayed because it was her first relationship and she grew up adopted in rural Pennsylvania, never feeling wanted. Says she eventually understood when she returned from Australia. Emotional moment — panel offers support.”

QuoteAlina: 'I do anything he says, he would never hear the word no' — train accident Patrice bit

“Brian plays Patrice O'Neal comedy clip about keeping your man after losing vagina in train accident. Alina: 'I do anything he says, he would never hear the word no come out of my mouth.' Brian has her repeat it for the audience.”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Statuses

Brian introduces all guests. Each introduces themselves with name, age, location, occupation, education. Then each shares relationship status, single duration, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom.

Types & Dating Preferences

Brian goes around the table asking everyone's type in a partner. Kelly describes wanting a 6'0-6'2" half-Black half-white athletic man. Brenda discusses her preference for light-skinned Latino men. Discussion of Rave culture and whether Brenda would quit raving for a relationship. Career vs. relationship trade-offs. Boss Babe mentality — Brenda admits she'd pick her business over a husband/kids right now.

Ivy's Late Introduction & Single Life

Ivy joins late and introduces herself. Discussion of her 2-year travels, breaking celibacy in October, her current crush (Korean-American, 37). NYC vs. LA dating comparisons. Rosters and situationships. Brenda explains her dating approach — roster of 4 potential lovers, sleeping with only 1.

Brenda's 5150 & Domestic Incident Story

Brian reads Brenda's pre-show notes about a past relationship involving a domestic physical altercation on her birthday. She was arrested, taken to jail, then 5150'd at hospital. Ex called 911, she bit chunks of his arm in self-defense while blacking out from alcohol. She made public statements about it online. They briefly reconciled after she demanded $3k rent from him.

Andrew Wilson Joins — Dating & Relationship Discussion

Andrew Wilson joins remotely. Discussion of red flags in women. Brenda's OnlyFans history and ex subscribing to her best friend's page. Ivy's story of Korean ex buying a dog together and stealing it + $3,000. Discussion of Color Guard and red flags.

Self-Ratings Round (Looks 1-10)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10 (can't pick 7). Brenda: 8. Patrice: 8 (tried 7). Kelly: 6.9. Ivy: 6. Brian: 5. Mary Grace declined. Alina passed. Andrew debated whether to push back. Discussion of aging, plastic surgery, Megan Fox comparisons, and whether anyone on the panel could ever be a 10.

Viral Breakup TikTok Reaction

Brian plays a viral video of a woman mourning her ex who broke up with her after she moved for him. Panel reacts — Patrice most resonant (just went through something similar in Australia). Andrew makes jokes. Discussion of whether he owes her money legally, common law marriage, women's tears on social media, and Socrates/Aristotle quotes on female nature.

Women's Manipulation vs. Men's Force — Andrew's Philosophical Debate

Andrew makes argument that women's primary conflict tools are slander/emotional manipulation because they lack access to physical force. Debate about whether men should open up emotionally to women (gives them ammunition). Discussion of women narrating their own behavior, men cataloging vulnerabilities. Ivy and Patrice push back from lived experience.

Traditional vs. Modern Relationship Values

Should women take husband's last name? Show of hands on various traditional/modern preferences: men paying for dates, leading, taking initiative. Brian argues men's romantic leadership practice translates to corporate success, explaining the 'gender pay gap.' Discussion of women wanting traditional relationship benefits while also wanting career independence.

Transgender Disclosure & Identity Debate

Do transgender individuals have a duty to disclose? Kelly says no. Ivy says it's straight to date a trans woman if she's had surgery. Andrew debates what constitutes sex vs. gender. Discussion of brain scan studies on gender dysphoria, vampire identity analogy. Andrew leaves the show at ~6:29.

Woke Feminist Debate — Sexism, Racism, Power Dynamics

Ivy's position: women can't be sexist toward men because sexism requires power. Andrew and Brian systematically challenge this with examples. Discussion of whether Asian people can be racist, the Latasha Harlins shooting, property rights and self-defense. Ivy concedes on several points. Brian argues men are primary war victims. Ivy fired from teaching job — disputes whether it was racism.

Would You Send 100 Innocent Men to Prison?

Brian poses hypothetical: would you send 100 innocent men to prison for 3 years to prevent 1 rapist from walking free? Brenda says she would (for 100, hesitates at 1000). Bailey says no. Discussion of Blackstone's ratio foundation of Western justice.

Gender Pay Gap & Women's Oppression Discussion

Are women oppressed in the US? Ivy says yes (de facto). Can people be racist against white people? Discussion of Harvard's Asian quota case. Brian connects women's romantic preferences (wanting men who lead, provide, pay) to why men occupy executive positions — men practice leadership traits in dating.

Patrice's Assault Disclosure

Brian attempts to get clarity on Patrice's previous disclosure about her ex-boyfriend. She reveals he forced himself on her on 3 separate occasions. She stayed because it was her first relationship and she grew up adopted in rural central Pennsylvania without feeling wanted. Emotional and sensitive moment. Panel offers support.

Patrice Honest Comedy Clip & End of Show

Brian plays a classic Patrice O'Neal comedy bit about what women would do to keep a man if they lost their vagina in a train accident. Panel reacts and answers. Makeup removal segment. Show ends with raid on Twitch streamer Grayson.

Transcript

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Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)hands forgive me champagne effect

Brian Atlasforgive me wait wait wait let me try something should North Korea Annex South Korea raise your hand Jing with you guys uh okay um will

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you take your husband's last name I would but I want to keep my last name wait what you would yeah I would keep my last name hyen okay all right

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)what about you um I would like to do the hyphen thing too cuz I have a very cool last name I think so sorry okay uh who else will you take your I would take it yeah yeah I would

Brian Atlasit's all I want yes how about this just those of you who are like pretty uh positive about that what if the LA his last name's bad but he still wants you to take his last name you still take it absolutely I already have a bad last

Brian Atlasname he already has a bad last name I I'll take beautiful beautiful so wait going to you two you won't take your husband's last name hi oh are but do you guys I mean do you Ivy do you consider yourself more traditional um am I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)traditional no I'm not that traditional you're a modern woman okay call my K yeah Chong My Korean family name is Chong yeah Chong so I want to put the

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)chong chong I want to keep the Chong oh chong chong chong yes Tong okay uh that's

Brian Atlascool um don't you think it's fair I mean like so how would if a guy you were on a date with and he takes you to dinner I don't know it's a $100 dinner and then the waiter

Brian Atlascomes anything else he's like no that's it two checks please oh would there be a second date no nope yeah no no well here's the funny thing about what you guys just said if I was dating a girl

Brian Atlasand I was wanting to marry her why oh hold on just okay for the sake of it if I wanted to marry her and she was like well I want to hyphenate our last names I'd be

Brendalike goodbye um M can I ask you guys ever at least offer to pay for half the bill like always always first dat I always offer to pay but then if if he was like okay cool and then you guys

Mary Gracejust wouldn't talk we got in a fight of who could pay I I wanted to pay on our first date so badly and he refused but going look going back to my point here

Brian Atlaswhy do y'all want to keep all the Traditions that benefit you guys man takes initiative man takes the lead man has to you out man has to move things forward physically etc etc etc man pays

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)for the date man protects you man provides but you won't take his last name what say that we said we want take it yeah that's not taking his last name

Brian Atlasbut then like see for example like sometimes if you combine my name with someone else's name it sounds cute don't care wait what I don't care if his name is the worst I don't care if his last

Brian Atlasname is Hitler you're taking his hold on wait hold on I don't know about that never

Brian Atlasmind okay uh let me just get out of the [ __ ] oh no um okay let me walk that one back um but anyways look if his name is really bad I don't know it's like

Brian Atlascorn buggy corn dongle you take his last name yep but so what about your kids though do they get his last name or you

Brian Atlashyphenate the kids names too hyphenate every hyphenate hyphenate the kids you you know what that's fine but you got to deal with a guy who's going to go 5050 you gotta you got to take initiative you got to lean in for the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)first kiss I don't know is it an Asian thing but most Asian moms don't take the husband's last name I mean l l for Asian guys I guess I don't what no yeah like my parents never fought my mom has like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)a separate last name for my dad my grandma as well my aunts and uncles like I just it's not common in my culture wait so in in um you're Vietnamese right Vietnamese

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Chinese yeah yeah but you're American so who cares okay I guess I don't know I don't know am I American I don't know well I mean you you I mean people on this chat say I'm not American but I mean you have American

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)citizenship I have American citizenship yes but I would say like if Wars comes to sh like maybe people in Asia would accept me a lot more than American people so it's like is home where like you know you were born or is it where

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you make it right is my country where I was born or is it where I can make it to yeah I I don't specifically know the culture in China or in Vietnam I think it's I don't know if it's a Vietnamese

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)thing or Chinese thing but I don't know in my like a lot of my friends in Asia like yeah I think it's some some East Asian like it's like you don't always have to take the guy's last name and it's always it's like totally fine so it's so funny when like my friends are

Brian Atlaslike oh my God happy birthday to like Miss Chi and I was like oh it's Miss Chong cuz like her last name is Chong wait so I I mean look I'm I Google this when it comes to Chinese names it says

Brian Atlastraditionally patrilineal so children usually take their father's last name oh okay but hold on however women do not legally change their names after marriage but the children take the

Brian Atlasfather's last name okay and then uh do they take them last name in Vietnam uh in most cases fathers pass their last names to their children and

Brian Atlaswhen couples marry women typ typically don't take their husband's last name okay yeah but the children take the father's last I have my dad's last name yeah so are you fine with your kids having the father's last name I guess so

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I didn't know that was actually that's like the first time I never actually researched it but it's like the typical I'm like okay I don't want to make it difficult so I guess they can just take their dad's last name okay yeah H Brian I have a question for you so I know that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you're not on the premise of like legal marriage and legally doing all of that you I've seen your other some of your other stuff would the woman that you chose to be with longterm and the mother of your children would you still want her to take your last

Brian Atlasname obviously you'd want the kids to but would you want her to it is sort of a Convention of marriage the children would take my last name correct as far as the the woman uh if we weren't married like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)would you want her to change her Facebook name and her Instagram name and all of that her credit cards would you want her to go by whatever and your last name but you're not marrying her that's a good question I actually I don't I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure the kids 100% yeah take the last name I don't know if I would honestly it would be better she did take

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it I don't know how much I would care would you still put a ring on her finger and like never marry her like longterm forever engagement type thing like does she still get the ring even if you're not getting legally married no ring but

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)she has to ruin her body and push out kids like not that that that's an honor by the way like I think that that's the best thing a woman can do with her life is to have children but yeah but she like she has no yeah I work I work to provide I ruin my body too but she

Brian Atlasdoesn't even get the ring or anything that says just to be clear I know you're laughing over there but like for the vast majority of human history men were laborers and literally ruined their bodies much worse than women going through

Brian Atlaspregnancy and honestly I can make the argument that like most a lot of work that both well men and women have today involves like copious amounts of sitting which is actually absolutely terrible

Brian Atlasfor your body so and so this idea that men through their work and labor don't like hurt their body yeah like and Men die much earlier because of all the additional stress that men have as

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)compared to women so wellit yeah can I add something to that then okay so I like how you mentioned that oh men labor and so they do hurt their bodies but that's like physical like external stuff when women have kids their bodies like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)never the same after that what do you mean like like uh like if I don't I'm not a gynecologist but I just know that one of my doctor friends told me that you know he wanted to have kids with his wife and his wife was like he was like how many kids do you want the wife was

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like oh I can't have more than two it will like physically ruin me like what does that mean I don't know what that mean it just means that like the more kids you have the more risk you are at like your health declining and then also like you know like uh Death At Birth

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it's like I know like obviously technology is like more advanced now but there's still mothers that will die in child birth I mean but my understanding though is like the the greatest risk of like death or like some sort of

Brian Atlascomplication is going to come in the first or second but once a woman's been pregnant once there's a like I'm pretty sure the if she's she went through the

Brian Atlaspr the first one or two pregnancies fine the outlook for her subsequent pregnancies I don't think it's it's worse the more kids you have in fact I think it would be an indicator okay you've been through this before like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)actually think you're probably better suited to continue having more kids oh I think you should do some research about this because like actually that's why they kept at women like surrogate women that make money off of getting pregnant they kept them at like eight or something like if you have any more than

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)eight kids like through surrogacy or like giving birth to eight or more kids you might die you should you could look this up I'm not denying that there are Health consequences to pregnancy uh it does take a toll on your body probably

Brian Atlasin terms of if you're looking at the cortisol uh women are under uh more uh chemical stress during pregnancy it's a stressful process uh so that certainly has an impact and there could be some

Brian Atlasdegree of accum accumulation that goes on but uh I mean I think you could say this about it I suppose the more times you do anything you know there is in each instance there's going to be a chance of

Brian Atlassomething bad happening if you play Russian Roulette well I mean I it's I don't think that's a fair uh comparison eventually you're going to die but uh if you know if you you know the more times you get into

Brian Atlasa car it probably statistically increases your chances eventually of getting into a car crash if you only drive once or twice you know chances are low but if you drive a so but uh I'm

Brian Atlasnot anyways I I'm you're not sold on that like that idea The Original Point the original point was what I think the original point you were saying oh you were asking me no you were saying oh

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)okay well women ruin their bodies I not only ruin them but she's you know okay so you enter into this agreement and okay I'm going to like let's just hypothetical stenio you and I are dating I'm going to submit to you I'm going to listen to you I'm not going to talk back to you I'm

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)going to cook I'm going to clean I'm going to take care of the kids I'm going to do everything I'm going to make you very happy and you're not going to marry me I I'm not taking your last name so I get provided like the providing and protecting and I get to have I get the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)privilege of having your children or whatever agreement well you don't get that much protection because you get to take the bullet so [ __ ] never mind my question was like I don't like I don't even get like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the ring like the symbol like like I'm his like he claimed me put a put point you she's m that's it boom mine mine you're mine your M that's it how'd you

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)feel about a Coller What the fu excuse me would you ever cheat on your like the mother of your children the one that you said that you're going to be with forever would you step out no

Brian Atlaseven if she was like old same one that ring for her even if she was old no I would be old too I don't care period uh yeah I don't

Brian Atlasknow complicated what's complicated oh we have a here let me do some chats here uh Christopher Murthy rather rather rather okay all right

Brian Atlasthere it is Boom all right we have boom boom boom beautiful uh I'm just going to move on to the next thing then uh you know what let's start from down here uh do transgender individuals have a duty

Brian Atlasto disclose to romantic Partners uh I think everybody say says oh no cie you said no on that

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)um why is that oh can can you tell me the question again I will yeah I get it but can you tell me the transgender D

Brian Atlasit I kind of don't want to I kind of don't want to let me read um so okay do transgender individuals

Brian Atlashave a a duty to disclose so does a transgender person should they tell the other person that they're transgender you think

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)no um well like ah I tried to think about if the transgender is my friend

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)you know like but sometime the transgender so beautiful like lady boy not lady boy but I'm like you they are more beautiful than seriously are 10 10

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I can tell but just to have a de just that's it so I'm just um well that's up to the partner even the transgender didn't mention

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)about it but later after they conversation in person then if the partner tripping about it does not work but um if he

Unknownpossible to understand that so I think I don't have to yeah you don't have to say that just be for me you're like oh me so horny me love you long

Brian Atlastime what the Bro Daman why did you play that I'm sorry excuse me Daman I'm sorry

TTS Readerhow could you oh my god oh wait really quick darkom 42 donated $200 if you have kids in your 20s your

TTS Readerbody snaps back much quicker and better but feminism convinced you all you have to wait till your 30s and you recover more slowly and not as well overall that's

Brian Atlastrue oh got start pumping out kids right away all right dark Omen thank you for the uh thank you for the uh streamlabs

Brian Atlasmessage man really appreciate it uh okay I think I understand your position

Mary Graceum uh I have a question sure to you do you think that kind of takes away the

Mary Gracechoice that people should have when choosing their partner like I have a preference a sexuality

Brian Atlaspreference to be straight so do you feel like you're robbing me of that well that that gets into our next question which is is it straight for a man to date a

Brian Atlastransgender woman to which uh you wrote yes and then Ivy you also said yes uh

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)so we agree oh well do you want to answer Mary's question oh first of all

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)I'm straight I love di I love man first of all just um I TR I love to yeah I love dick you know

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)what I'm saying but um I'm saying it's just I'm saying it's just um try to ler represent them you know I'm not a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)transgender but I'm like I try to understand them they alive so um of course yeah just a d say like do you like girls at all or just men just hell

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)men men okay okay so you're you got you're you're at a bar you out to a bar you're talking to a guy you super pretty boy totally your type you guys are

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)hitting it off really well you go back to your room yeah pants come off it he I don't know has a vagina oh yeah how

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)would you feel well abely before go to before take to my room I got attractive from him

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)right from her whatever from the partner so that's why I took him her to my PL but after I that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)um I'm straight but I'm going to talk to her like baby I don't know whoever but baby I'm a [ __ ] straight

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)but you know since I took her to my place I'm going to enjoy you know just a [ __ ] is just a Fu you know I don't know

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)maybe I'm open I'm not sure no of course I'm going to feel it like how she's I know like oh I I think I I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think I know you're coming from I know you're com I think I understand yeah it's like you're um there's like a type for it like you're um like a type of in like the rainbow where like you like someone for the personality autism

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)spectrum no the lgbtq plus Community there is a things like you I think it's called demisexual

Brian Atlaspanexual yes that's the one yeah stop it some help wait so hold on seexual but Ivy you said it's straight for man to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)date a trans woman yes okay you think that's straight yes yeah I said so yeah why is that um

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)because I think that like now that transwoman or yeah like that person the oh that woman yeah that woman now identifies a woman and she like got the surgery and so she has the female parts

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)and so I think that that's like straight if the guy like likes that woman then he likes her but if they still have a penis oh no but you said trans women so I'm assuming trans women no I think that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)transgender people like I think that fully in my head I think that they fully went through with the surgery so you don't think if they don't have the surgery that they're not trans or they're not women yeah like what if they

Brian Atlasdress up like a woman like the lady boys like they still have penis true those lady boys are are they women are they women or are they still men o they're actually like physically strong like men though and so I think they're the ones

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that have had the gender reassignment surgery they're biologically men they have the chromosomes of a male but then they they can't reproduce they can't have children well some women can't reproduce and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)have do you do you think that uh transgender women are they female uh transgender women are they female yes but do you do you understand the

Brian Atlasdifferentiation I'm making here between woman and female right so woman would be gender uh female would be sex oh so do you think they're they've changed their

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)sex um what were you teaching these seventh graders what I don't touch on this stuff actually they would go into a separate class to learn about this wait how old were they they were I taught um fifth graders fifth graders wait fifth graders

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)were learning trans stuff yeah there's like a community like they it's it's actually required all like California schools you have to have the lgbtq flag in the back of your CL what no [ __ ] what's wrong with that wait wait

Brian Atlaswait hold on what's wrong with that don't worry about that but is it true I mean that's why the they made us put it up in our rooms wait hold up do you do you um question was there a written communication about this uh what do you

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)mean like a memo did a memo go out an email no no no they just gave us a flag and was like oh it's who's who's day the the administrators Al Al USD no I taught in the Bay Area was it a public school

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)yeah no it's a it's a charter school so public private school so did the parents understand that this was occurring yeah of course and they sent they signed written consent in that I I consent to my child being T being these parents

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)these parents want their kids to go to that school they can't get in unless they apply wait but hold on it's a you said a private school a public charter school so it's public school it's

Brian Atlaspublicly funded but privately run I like a tech school kind publicly funded but what is that so maybe that's a thing but I don't it's a I taught there it's a thing it's but what does it mean

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)privately run so it's privately run so it's like they're not connected to sfusd they have different rules so if fsusd do not want to have the flags and they have a separate rule the school that I worked at it was a private charter school so

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)they had their own laws I thought it was a public charter it's a public charter school so it's publicly funded so they use taxpayers money and they also take funds from like other companies and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)stuff so they can it's like very weird and then they can like so teachers usually like they have a contract so if you're at a public school it's really hard to fire a teacher no matter what they did but if you're at a charter school it's like you're at will you're like a tech employee it's like the

Brian Atlasminute they don't like you they're like we're going to fire but they so they said you had to put up a gay pride flag it's not like they said it they just gave it to us and then they just put it up for us didn't she did she not just say that they they like had to put up the flags and all that yeah oh

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)yeah we have to put up the flags and they went to a separate room to learn about like trans no no the kids some kids opted into like during the lunch during their lunch time which is like their own time then they can take this

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)class and it's 30 minutes every Wednesday and then they just go and they give them a pass Le about what and then it's like a space for them to talk about stuff I was wasn't a part of this I don't know yeah you brought that up in

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)the context of the conversation about trans stuff oh I brought it up because I think someone asked me about seventh graders yeah he asked you what you taught the seventh gr I said that I didn't teach any of this stuff the seventh grade cuz I don't like touching

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)on this yeah cuz I actually was really bad I got like their pronouns mix up sometimes and so I was like not someone that they would listen about like you know sometimes these students like they change their names like every other

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)month the [ __ ] yeah one minute they're like Christian next is like I'm Milo okay I'm going to interrupt you that really catches me by surprise cuz in the classes that I'm in right now to be a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)teacher in Texas nowhere whatsoever if anything the contrary I mean you said Texas right I talk in California I know that I know that I'm just saying it catches surprised yeah she was teaching

Brian AtlasSF which is SF is the most liberal San Francisco's like totally IDE ideologically captured so um damn that's okay anyways we can't linger too long on

Brian Atlasthat but I guess really quick on the whole straight thing um so can people change their sex no yes how I think you just said they get surgery yeah okay I'm just going to go ahead and say yeah you can change your your gender but I don't

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think you can change your sex I mean you can change your gender anytime want right now I can say I'm a boy I'm a he but then sex Wise It's a part it's a part of your body so then you're actually physically changing a part of your body and so you change your sex

Alinathat part is dictated by genetics you cannot it's a part of your biology you can't you can't change your chromosomes you can't change that you can chop off whatever you want I can chop off one arm and I can become a one

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)armed person doesn't mean I was born a one armed person you know what I mean I can go tomorrow and go get a bunch plastic surgery and morph myself into a different person but it's not who I am and it's not what I look like just like you can't be a man and go get some

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)surgery and then the next day you wake up and you're a woman it's just not the way hormone therapy as well it doesn't matter you're still a man you still have the wrong chromosomes you still can't reproduce you're still a man but there's some women that can't reproduce some men

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that can't reproduce either not pertinent it's not what biology like yeah I'm confused how about this

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like oh go ahead go ahead if a man okay if a man put his put a bag over his head and you threw him into a room and another guy penetrated him and they just you know you just called John Jill but

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it's really a guy and it's friction based is that guy straight he is that guy straight screwed another man is that guy straight is that so he but then does he know that's a man no I can do I I

Brian Atlasthink I I'll do this really simply okay yeah so I'm dating a TR well hold on I don't want I I don't want to say it in a way it will get [ __ ] clipped a

Brian Atlasman a sis I hate this term CIS man is dating a trans woman they proceed to he has anal sex with her her is that

Brian Atlasstraight yeah that's still straight I mean you have anal sex with a woman woman what yeah but that would be that would be straight to have sex with you suck your girlfriend's dick is that straight what if he what well so your

Brian Atlasgirlfriend's dick is that straight but Andrew her her position that we have to contend with is that she she only acknowledges that it's a transgender woman if they've had the post-operative

Andrew Wilsonlike they they're posttop so there would not be a penis so but she keeps saying but wait these are these are non-reproductive right and you say well wait a second there's some women who

Andrew Wilsoncan't reproduce that's fair what makes those women women I don't know like they were Bor you don't know what makes women who can't reproduce still women wait you

Andrew Wilsonsaid they were born women chromosomes yeah okay yeah they were born female they yeah so when you say there's some women who can't reproduce you're just affirming her position that they're

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)still women even though they can't reproduce right yeah they were born yeah so what makes them women I guess if a man can't reproduce is he still a man yeah he's still a man okay yeah

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)right so then what makes them a woman if it's not about reproduction there must be I think it's also about your experience right like if you identify as a woman then you get all the experiences that a woman would get same if you a

Andrew Wilsontransgender woman then you're can I identify as being black I mean you can't cuz you aren't black you don't get all the same you don't get all the same hang on what if I had all the experiences of a black man could I then identify as

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)being black do you have like that skin color well well wait wait wait wait why would I need the skin color I thought it was about experience yeah but you're saying that why would you get those same experiences if you didn't have the same

Andrew Wilsonskin color how are you going to get the same experience when you look like a dude with a wig on how you going to get the same experience as a woman I mean a dude with a wig hun is going to have a they but depending on their race they're going to have the same experience as

Andrew Wilsonopposed to like different races and Necessities yeah but why do you think that like okay so what you're saying then by this logic is that really really really really ugly women right can't be

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)women because they don't have the experience of women wait what do you mean they have an experience of being a I never said anything about an experience that I think like something that women literally Bond over and every woman goes through an experience that a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)trans woman would never in their life experience surgery or not they would never have a monthly cycle ever so all of these experiences I'm I'm confus what you're referring to cuz that's a pertinent experience to being a woman I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think like there's some questions on there about like how you know do women have equal rights to men like are they treated equally or like about gender pay Gap so I'm thinking about those type of experiences as opposed to like genetic

Andrew Wilsonexperien bear with me here bear with me let's say a woman is really ugly and just looks like a man so everybody treats her like a man okay that's what

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)she experiences hang on that's what she experiences is she's still a woman I mean but then even though she's treated like hang on hang on can you answer my question still a woman I think you're asking asking me a question I'm trying to answer it yes I'm answering right now so I feel like you're going to answer a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)question I didn't ask you but go ahead no no no okay let me okay I'm going to say the answer if it's not then I'll then then say it's not okay but I think that you're saying that I'm going to reiterate so this woman is looks like a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)man and so she's treated like a man right right then that's is is that what she wants some women want to be more masculine and then they oh so she wants to be a woman so she okay okay so in

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that case even though she looks like she looks like a man but she is a woman but then that means like biologically she's a woman so she'll have these monthly Cycles so she have a similar experience what a woman is her biology I mean in

Andrew Wilsonthat instance yes what's I'm super confused so help me out here yeah it's not like super black and white wait it can't just be about sweet it can't just be about the experience

Andrew Wilsonbecause it's just about the experience than if you experienced only being treated like a man you would be categorized as a man by your logic but if you say wait a second no there's still a woman because you default

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)biology then the default is the biology right no I'm saying that her experience is going through monthly cycles of having a period so that's why say yeah and I think that because she's had that

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)makes them a woman is their biology no no again I didn't say that either I'm just saying that it's like all these combined experiences of how people interact with you and how I guess like your body works then I think those

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)combined you know create the experience es of daily of women in general I guess yeah do you not think that's like supporting delusional people we should just give them what they want uh cuz

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)they feel like it wait what do you mean because it's operating out of reality uh like the mindset is not aligned should we support delusional people okay so I think if someone were

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like I was born as a male in this lifetime but I believe I was meant to be female then I don't think that's delusional it's like they really believe this and there's like movies about it too right where like some people go

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)crazy they want to die because they want to become a woman right and it has that really famous actor I forgot what it was if question um cuz I feel like you may know this there is actually I think a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)study where they took the brain scans of uh transgender women and males and like um basically like the parts of the brain lit up of the people who like wanted to be the opposite gender in the way that

Andrew Wilsonthey wanted it of the gender they wanted it to be do you know anything about that yeah a lot of them were gaming so here here here's the question right is like if you had done that same study with the same sample right and

Andrew Wilsonthey weren't game in would you get the same result and we don't know right because many of these studies are bias and then the second is brain scan technology really doesn't tell us very much because the sample size are so

Andrew Wilsonsmall right you're talking about different areas which are affected in the brain especially they're talking about things like gray matter or or various chemicals this type of thing what you would need is you would need a

Andrew Wilsonsample size large enough where oh I scanned your brain you feel like a man and your brain supports that we just don't have that kind of well there just not enough studies there's not enough data but the reason why I brought there's not ever going to be enough data

Mary Gracethere's not enough data because when you donate to [ __ ] like that they don't use the money for unbiased scientific relevant data what makes it unbiased so or they follow a scientific method

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)because they're all they're all funded many of them are funded by lgbtq groups but don't you feel like bias don't you feel like having data though in areas that we don't have enough information is no no matter what is important and like

Andrew Wilsonvital for just our social experience could be but there's there's publishing bias which happens and there's other biases which go into a lot of the ways these studies are conducted so in other

Andrew Wilsonwords you don't want to do science uh by trying to affirm a worldview and so then adjusting for the affirmation of the worldview supposed to run an experiment the results are what the results are and

Andrew Wilsonthat's it but that's not the way that many times in sociology these things are conducted and what you're talking about is a mixture of sociology and then a little bit of Neuroscience when it comes

Andrew Wilsonto the scanning so the results are uh so let's just put it this way I'll be I'll be the most charitable I can be those results for all brain scan studies right now are inconclusive and since they're inconclusive they're not really showing

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)us anything we're not going to bank on them because uh they're not science right it's not we we can't get something conclusive out of them yet well there is not enough data but again if if there were more studies then we can conclude

Andrew Wilsonyou know something that's factual but right now it's all like it's say since there aren't and we can't conclude then we're not going to defer to it right like that would be like me saying well

Brendawhat if we had a bunch of studies that affirmed my bias worldview yeah well that's justess we have to believe your bias that's just your perspective based off of your yeah situ yeah yeah yeah yeah I just brought that up be yeah I I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I only brought that up because I wouldn't agree that um that people are delusional if they truly feel something and they're to the degree of like wanting you know to harm themselves and

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)there has to be something that happened during development where it's like you know like it's literally inside of them in their chemicals to where like you know this is something that they truly

Andrew Wilsonneed you're trying to intellectualize something that is not based in reality well only studies on it there studies even though they're inconclusive there's still some understand what you're saying what you're hang on what you're saying

Andrew Wilsonmakes sense and if you don't mind I'll um I'll reiterate the position you can tell me if I get this wrong but I think your position is just this that clearly this isn't delusion these people

Andrew Wilsonobviously are feeling this in a very big way or they wouldn't be so adamantly pursuing it right so this this probably is not delusional right yeah and I do feel like some people do take advantage

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)of you know those who who deal with this and that definitely you know creates situations where people feel like oh yeah they are delusional because they take a situation and Def find an entire group but I don't think it's like fair to to like do that you can feel however

Mary Graceyou want to feel but don't make it my problem like don't let it negatively my Cho wait a wait a second so schizophrenics are not delusional right yeah they're

Andrew Wilsonnot I don't know the answer to that question what wait a schizophrenic by your logic would not be delusional I mean they really really feel that way they really really hear the voices they

Brendareally really want to do what the voices say so therefore they're not delusional I don't I don't know the case studies on schizophrenia so I wouldn't be able I do

Mary Gracemedical assessments and delusions are actually one of the symptoms that we use as a marker to to dictate and help us assess a medical the scale of a medical

Mary Graceemergency or the probability of one and a schizophrenic episode is actually one of the markers like scientifically

Mary Gracein in medicine is delusions um so I mean just so you know like that is an aspect of the way that we would measure if something was

Andrew Wilsondelusional or not would be only the only way I could think of is if we were looking towards Behavior which was abnormal otherwise how would you know it was delusional or not like if somebody

Andrew Wilsoncame over to you and said that GM were visiting them at night and you know stealing their socks my assumption is you would think that this was such abnormal uh belief or abnormal behavior

Andrew Wilsonthat they were suffering from some kind of delusion right so why wouldn't we map that on also to other groups like this and uh well we do and uh that's why we have

Andrew Wilsonthings like gender dysmorphia and other uh kind of clinical uh psychosis for this is because we're trying to describe this delusional Behavior right so I mean there's a reason that

TTS Readerit's actually categorized as a mental illness gender dysphoria I think oh graffo tact donated $200 yo graffito thank you sorry for the

TTS Readeryou really think surgically created Thea J is identical to a real one come on if a man lays pipe and goes to town on that thing it's tearing apart into a Bloody

Andrew WilsonDisgusting mess like oh what the heck that's graphic yes just just very brief I'm sorry okay do I have to answer that do you really

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think sure why not oh I mean cuz I have a lot of friends that are transgender and then I think so yeah like I've seen them and I'm not you seen the [ __ ] no I like I mean not i' seen it like in my front of face seen you've seen the

Kelly/Othervagina yes like we change in front of each other and like yeah a lot have they been like spread no no I don't even see

Andrew Wilsonmy real female like not not real you oops oops fre oops oops you said real but uh just real quick uh back back to

Andrew Wilsonthis chair one just I just have one more question for you um if you had a person who walked around all day on all fours and barked like a dog and ate out of a

Andrew Wilsondish but refused to act any other way than that would you say that that was delusional is that for who you say chair you say chair one chair one you yeah

Brendawell so I I know why you're asking that question and it's like there's also gender identity that plays you know it's it's a big role um when it comes to just

Brendayeah this person identifies as a dog but that but their gender identity or their sex like their what do you mean just their identity they're now a dog I I I don't I

Brendadon't I don't know I I I wouldn't compare a person to someone barking like a dog but they feel like they are they want to be dog they feel if they feel like that and that's the way they're living their life that's all that they

Andrew Wilsonwant to be and they're on all fours all day and they bark like a dog they act like a dog they eat out of a dog dish would you say that that's

Brendadelusional well yeah cuz they're acting like a a dog but it's it's not like it's not it's not the opposite sex they're not trying to act like the opposite sex and identify illusional though what makes makes that actually delusional

Brendabecause not it's not a male or a female it's not a human it's what about people that want to identify right right it's so it's what makes delusional is is not the thing right what about people that say that they don't have a gender and they're a

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)they or an it what do you think of that is that delusional what do I think of it I me oh I I don't that's the reason why I wasn't really in the beginning of the conversation because I I I don't know how it feels to be in the position of needing of needing to to um identify as

Brendayou know it or they and I'm not really one to judge on that um so I I is it I mean is it delusional because it's not true like that's what makes it delusional right I don't have any like

Brendaopinion on it CU I don't know how it feels I feel like um I I I do believe if they if they want to identify that way I'm not one to judge I know other people are going to and cool that's how you want here's a l here's a less rare

Andrew Wilsonexample then let me let me just try it this way are you aware that there are many many people on this Earth who believe they are vampires literally they believe that they are

Andrew Wilsonvampires and they live a vampiric life they live in coffins not kidding right they won't go out in the sunlight they won't do any of those things because they believe that they're vampires they

Brendaeven drink blood not kidding they even drank blood um are they delusional they're trying to be a

Andrew Wilsonfictional character or whatever perhaps but yeah well it's not fictional they are vampire s they are drinking blood they are acting as though a vampire would act 100% they are doing

Brendaall of the things that vampires do milkshake what what what makes them fictional no no like like vampires are like orless vampires exists and I'm just sounding dumb

Andrew Wilsonbut I mean the type that you're tell the Bram stroker Dracula vampire right but these people are vampires I mean they

Brendamust be because they act ident to them well yeah they're they're acting as if like they're not a human so like yeah

Brian Atlasno vampires are human hold on what where are we getting this information from what if tomorrow I I'm honestly I'm confused just for time management stuff I have I have to move it on Andrew do

Andrew Wilsonyou have a final thing on this or good to move it yeah it's just a vampire is human a vampire would meet all of the criteria that you would have for an identity you believe that you are the

Brendathing you act as though you are the thing 100% you are a human right why are you not delusional what would make that not delusional I come from a place where it's male and female that's it and I

Brian Atlasjust I don't judge and that's it okay all right uh two things really quick the previous thing from graffo tagged I want to come back to it briefly graffo thank you for the TTS I apologize for the

Brian Atlasdelay I had to I was up for a bit uh he said it's not the same is it your position that I don't know how else to say

Brian Atlasnatural [ __ ] I guess I don't know what better term it do you think it's the same as trans [ __ ] wait have you have

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)you experienced it so that's why they [ __ ] with the enner they [ __ ] with enner they not make the what I me transgender I heard it what the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)[ __ ] okay uh Ivy do you think it's the same um I actually don't like to comment things I don't have knowledge about so I actually don't know about this like if it's the same or not cuz I am not a male I've not

Brian Atlastried that's fine you you don't know about it but perhaps if I provide some descriptive uh some sort of descriptions that might help so okay so and and you

Brian Atlasdo know at least you're a biological female right like you're not trans right no would you be upset if somebody thought you were trans I wouldn't you wouldn't find that they just think I have like masculine

Brian Atlasfeatures then but you have your own experience as a woman you have your own self-awareness there um do you think that for example if

Brian Atlassay um I don't know where we would put it but um let's say somebody put a hole in your armpit oh a hole oh surgically

Brian Atlasthey put a hole where your armpit is and then you had to keep that hole open and then a man stuck its penis

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)inside your armpit hole do you think it would feel the same you think it would be the same as [ __ ] I don't know I'm not a man I really can say well how

Brian Atlasabout this how about this then um so I believe the procedure that they do is they surgically put a hole in that

Brian Atlasarea where the penis once was M and they use tissue from the penis and the testicles and the scrotum they like fold it they like cut and like fold and like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)and then they I only know growing up I watched this screwed up show called I am jazzzz I am Jazz and she went to get this like plasy and they explained it all in great detail on a kid like a kids

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Family Show on TLC and I remember like I just remember it and it's and then you have to do this thing called dilating where you put these like giant things in

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)every die to like create yeah so but so let me ask you this let's say that uh

Brian Atlassomebody had um they didn't identify as trans but they uh maybe there they got I don't know how this would ever happen they

Brian Atlasthey're they landed on a a pole oh and it forced their ball balls and penis

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)inside of them and like would you think that that's a vagina I mean I don't know I again I

Brian Atlashave not experienced that myself okay yeah I cannot say I'm look I've not encountered trans [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah that's not [ __ ] it's not it's not the

Brian Atlassame I mean you can't say it unless you tried it well let's put it this way no but so so forget the hold on hold on hold on

Brian Atlasforget the impale thing sure they go to the best trans doctor the best the most uh the best trans surgeon and they get the the surgery and there's no

Brian Atlascomplications whatsoever aside from the uh the dilation that they constantly have to keep up with but no out of the norm uh complications still not [ __ ] that's not [ __ ] let me ask you would

Brian Atlasyou do you feel like it would feel like [ __ ] no it would not feel like [ __ ] it wouldn't smell like it wouldn't is that supposed to be a gacha oh

Brian Atlasyeah what no it's not supposed to be a gacha it's just just talking just yeah it would not it would not feel the same it wouldn't look the same it

Brendawouldn't uh smell the same it's not [ __ ] that's not [ __ ] so what what makes [ __ ] [ __ ] for for you or for like most men somebody who was

Brendaborn with a vagina with the correct chromosomes uh oh go ahead what uh I was going to say but let's say let's say they they they um like you don't know that that they're that they're not you

Brendaknow you don't and so they essayed me yeah I I I don't know what that anyway what go ahead um and like how would you be able to tell like just like just

Brian Atlasgenuine like questions how would I be able to tell yeah like like would you be able to tell if they didn't tell you would you be able to tell encountered trans [ __ ] but I'm pretty confident I'd be able to tell

Brian Atlasin fact hold on I'm pretty confident if I was face to face with a man who's dressed up as a woman I don't need to undress they don't need to be undressed

BrendaI can tell before it even gets to anything sexual but what if there's a hypothetical where you just you didn't unfortunately and you're in okay so they tricked me they tricked me into having sex um well yeah that's that's

Brendahypothetical and so I'm what's the situation oh like like you're about to do the deed and the [ __ ] in front of you like I I'm I'm

Brian Atlasgenuinely curious you want me to articulate like the the the the uh visual differences the smell I'm just wondering the feeling yeah I'm just

Brian Atlaswondering like if if um you could like te me on the difference yeah so so I think it's I think actually both men and women can actually make determinations

Brian Atlason this so I'm man I have uh tools of my own and then I've been with a woman surprise surprise been with a woman

Brian Atlassexually I know what vagina is I know what my own tools look like feel like whatever if you were to invert that it would not it would not feel the same it wouldn't visually it wouldn't look the

Brian Atlassame physically the lubrication would be different they're def I don't know what the [ __ ] smell is like trust me [ __ ] does have a distinct smell unless you're Asian okay but at the end of the day it

Brian Atlasis it is an assension because you've never like encountered uh because they don't have well I mean you know they some Asian people don't have the body odor anyways whatever never mind yeah

Steph/Kelly/Bailey (mixed)they don't really sell deodor in Asia either I mean some people have B some Asians have body odor but many of them uh it's like a genetic thing don't have body odor okay so I'm going to go ahead and ask my question so you're saying that you're not able to answer because

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you can't feel from a men perspective so I'm going to put it to you like this you're saying that you can't really know how a fake vagina looks like cuz and again you can't feel it so let's say

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)that the fake penises looks like a sausage wiener that you put on a hot dog I never seen one and I don't want to see one but let's say it looks like that and it's the closest that they can make it

TTS Readerlook to it do that does that still make a woman donated 999 I don't know why it did shut the f hopefully the champagne is tasty enjoy

Alinasome more also can we get some Kos for Elina what is Kos Kos it's a really good drink I drink it my whole childhood it tastes like beer but it's no alcohol it's really de's in the chef for Ole if

Andrew Wilsonyou who wants more champagne I'm anybody pleas I'm down with that please goad Brian why you're pouring that out isn't isn't there an easy distinction to make um you ladies

Andrew Wilsonagree that uh there are women who are lesbians right yes okay don't you think they would be able to tell the difference

Andrew Wilsonyes I guess so that's a good one yeah but I'm not lesbian so I don't know yeah yeah but but wait a second so they could determine very very quickly even if men

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)couldn't right I guess so I feel like if they're like I mean also not all vaginas look the same either yeah so maybe it's like a different type that's like saying

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)all Pizza doesn't look the same all pizza doesn't look the same but like pizza is pizza if you tried to give me a taco I would know it was different I don't even care if it even if you put sauce and cheese inside of a taco like I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)would know it was different I'll be honest um sorry Steph you gave me that question right about like the sausage wiener like on a hot dog I like date a guy who who like you know thing looks like that so that's I was like oh I

Kelly/Otherdon't think that's a [Laughter] girlfriend oh no I can't open it you got

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it all you what you should have brought one of like

Kelly/Otherbro how do those bottle girls do at the club every night got to like jle the top I know how oh you know how they do it well I just I took one glass oh my God

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you should tell him it twist and pull at the same time struggling no it's funny

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)bro bro who super glued this [ __ ] bro yeah that was just some I don't know her

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)cage I don't want to continue this conversation it's a little bit uncomfortable it's so uncomfortable I'm not transed I cannot speak on this you're

Andrew Wilsonpersoning are you the president of the United States am I what the president of the United States am I the president of the United States I'm not then can you

Andrew Wilsonspeak about the president of the United States I honestly don't even speak about him I don't even yeah but can you can I yes I can yeah and I choose not to wait can people wait wait can people

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)competently talk about the president of the United States even if they themselves are not the president of the United States yeah I mean people can do what they want like I said they have their own experience and they want to talk about things that they're they want

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to talk about but I think that it's a personal choice I'm like oh if I don't really know that experience I don't think I should facilitate like or like pass around like false knowledge and news and like make people like you know misconstrued you know I think it's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)important to have like all the information and then you make an informed judgment or some informed um argument and I just don't have that in this case with about this topic you want

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)to do this okay m is there okay [ __ ] it anybody so then you should defer to those that do in this case us right um I guess I can defer yeah I mean like I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot going to take on okay great well then then then if you're deferring to those who do have the information you're willing to concede that trans women oh it's not saying that I don't have the no no it's not saying that I don't have the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)information I just don't I've never touch a physical like I've never touched a trans woman's that part like a vagina so I cannot say what it feels like and doesn't and I'm pretty sure everyone here hasn't as well so I don't know if

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)anyone here has better knowledge of what that would feel like so in that case I can't defer on that aspect cuz I'm saying that I only defer if someone else has actually personally experienced it wait I have a question have you ever been to Antarctica

Brian AtlasBri what a penis looks like what are you talking about have you ever been to Antarctica I've never been to Antarctica would you have like an intuition that it like how would it would feel in terms of the temperature I think it would feel

Brian Atlascold okay how do you know that you've never been to Antarctica I think that people that have been told me it was cold that's the only reason yeah maybe or like no it's like on social media

Brian AtlasCommon Sense common knowledge it doesn't the same really we need to do uh cheers to Ole cheers to

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)Sal cheers um wait okay really quick what pronouns does a baby have before they can speak

Brian Atlasum I don't know what did the parent say or the child well before you can even conceptualize the ideas of gender gender

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)identity and sex um what what do you uh what pronouns are the baby given um I think like they're probably given because they cannot speak yet they're probably given the pronouns that they were assigned to at Birth I mean

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)assigned to at based on their sex at Birth I think for a while though I don't don't quotee me on this but I think there was a birth certificate where you could circle like there was like

Brian Atlasanother oh but it's just I this is more so related to pronoun usage so it's because with babies we don't use we

Brian Atlasdon't refer to their gender we refer to sex and we use he him she her but that's related to sex mhm so I

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)think kind of with pronoun usage even and no yeah that's why that's why I said I was like oh before they can speak and you know when the baby's born I think everyone assumes that their pronouns are

Brian Atlasgoing to be what sex they were at Birth yeah I don't know anyways I I got to move it on just for the sake of time but um are men physically stronger than women I don't actually know if anybody

Brian Atlasanybody disagree with that I don't think so okay uh can women be sexist towards men to which uh Ivy you

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)disagree yeah why is that I can women yeah I think that so like I think because I went to like a social justice Warrior College I was like you know like

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)we learned about like the study of um like gender studies and like um like not yeah mostly I did a lot of gender Study Club courses as like part of my GES and I learned a lot from it and one of the

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)things is like unless you're in a like a a a i i don't call me it's been a while since I took those classes but like unless you're in a a position of like power or you have a hegemonic status or

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)like you have some influence to like inflict like to influence another social group or another group you know below you or something then you can't really like be is towards them you know whether

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)it's like raceist or sexist so in our society we could say like the cisgender male would be someone that has a higher Social not not in in society like they

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)have more power and so as a result then they would be able to be racist and sexist whereas I think that a female even if they were to say sexist things like oh I don't know for example what like I can't even think off the top of

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)my head but they were to say something sexist then like all men are pigs oh all men are pigs okay is that sexist what that's a sexist thing all men are pigs do you do you think it's sexist is it sexist all men are pigs how about if all

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)women are pigs I don't know cuz I've heard guys say like oh don't trust men like all men are animals all men are pigs like I've heard men say that so is this sex are all women gold diggers is that sexist

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)I've heard oh actually heard SE is it sexist no I don't think that's sexist I think being sexist is saying that like because you are a female you have only

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)you are only capable to do this I think that is sexist you know and then you're saying that because of your gender then we're not going to give you this raise right then I think that's sex is it's

Patrice/Ivy/Kelly (mixed)when your sex or your um identity as a woman or as a man or no identity as a woman is going to influence the way people treat you in life in a negative

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