NALA RETURNS?! Nala's Husband CRASHES Show?! Single Mom Wants $5M/YEAR Man?! | Dating Talk #210

Date: 2024-11-04

Duration: 8h 44m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nora(guest)

SPEAKER_04JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Natalie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Production(audience)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Nala Ray(guest)

SPEAKER_09Video clips(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Jordan (Nala's husband)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Rachel (Andrew's wife)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Alanis(guest)

SPEAKER_14Vi(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNala Ray introduces herself as married, with a clothing line and race car giveaways — returning guest from ~1 year prior

“hi I'm Nala Ray I'm 26 um I live in South Carolina with my husband and we started a clothing line company called be the change and we do race car giveaways”

QuoteAlanis drops bombshell: her bare minimum income requirement for a man is $5 million per year

“yeah like 5 mil a year is a basic minimum”

ControversyAndrew Wilson methodically dismantles Alanis's $5M/year demand by pointing out she's an overweight single mom living with parents who doesn't know the rules of her own trust

“overweight single mom who lives with her parents wants man who makes $5 million a year to marry her under a prenuptual agreement that he doesn't have access to the wealth in a trust that she doesn't know the rules of”

QuoteMandy reveals she was a self-described sex addict from ages 16-18, sleeping with up to 7 different people per week at peak

“I would say 16 to 18 right before I met my boyfriend”

QuoteMandy reveals her body count is 50-60 maximum

“probably 50 to 60 Max”

QuoteNala reveals her OnlyFans 'cheating kink' persona was entirely clickbait to go viral and make money — she was completely single during that time

“everything I've said on podcast is complete clickbait I did it to go viral to then make money and so many people believed it and it worked”

ControversyAndrew Wilson vs Nala Ray: intense confrontation about her calling him demonic vs. calling her a 'satanic prostitute', the nature of her Christianity, whether her conversion is genuine or a grift, and Christian theology

“you were a lying deceiving prostitute and you're like Andrew why weren't you just nice like what are you talking about”

QuoteNala says she sold everything — her house, Lamborghini, designer goods — after her Christian conversion, and now drives a Jeep in South Carolina

“I sold everything I sold my house I sold my car I sold all the designer things I had”

QuoteAndrew reads First Timothy 2:12 in Darth Vader voice: 'I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man, she must be silent'

“I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over man she must be silent boom roasted”

QuoteBrian reads his 'Psalm of seven sons' — reads Psalm 127 to justify wanting 7 sons

“Psalm 1274 like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in a man's youth”

ControversyAndrew vs JY (19yo): intense submission debate where Andrew tries to show the logical contradiction in partial submission (you obey anyway so why require explanation?). JY holds her ground; Andrew asks if she's 'too stupid' to argue (she said yes to shut him up).

“are you too stupid to argue with answer yes that's the end of the argument”

OtherBrian plays clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him when he comes home from work as an example of submission; panel debates whether they would bow to their husband

“I have an expectation that my girlfriend bows to me when I get home from the podcast”

QuoteRachel (Andrew's wife) joins the show remotely and gives nuanced defense of biblical submission based on trust-building over time, explaining why men sometimes can't explain decisions and why women need to trust their husbands

“sometimes men just have to be look this is what we're doing just trust me I'll handle it”

OtherJordan (Nala's 6'4" military vet husband) arrives on set to surprise Nala. Brian and Nala had been teasing his appearance all show.

“Jordan arrives on set. 6'4", Pacific Islander/African-American mix, military vet, TikTok content creator.”

ControversyAndrew immediately challenges Jordan about marrying an ex-OnlyFans creator and quizzes him on the Trinity. Jordan defends Nala and his faith calmly.

“I was just wondering what kind of guy you know marries a prostitute”

QuoteJordan explains how he met Nala: she came into his TikTok Live, threw him a gift; he eventually encouraged her faith journey not with emotional ties but through prayer

“we were literally just friends for like the majority of our relationship until we got married”

QuoteJordan reveals Nala was making $300k/month on OnlyFans when she gave it all up for God

“she was making 300K a month and she didn't even want that because at the end you know none of that's going to matter”

QuoteNora reveals her lower-back 'not yours' tattoo — got it to assert ownership of herself during a phase when men would say 'you're mine'

“it's a heart and in the heart it says not yours”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Panel introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian and Andrew introduce themselves. Relationship status round covers everyone from married Nala to perpetually single JY.

Standards & Pickiness in Dating

Discussion of what each panelist looks for in a partner: physical, personality, financial. Nora wants $500k+ minimum. Alanis controversially claims she wants a man making $5 million/year, sparking extended debate about realism vs. aspirations.

Alanis's $5M/Year Man Debate

Extended multi-hour debate about Alanis wanting a man who earns $5M/year. Andrew Wilson challenges the logic given she lives with parents, makes $22/hr, and has a trust fund she doesn't understand. Rachel (Andrew's wife) also weighs in remotely. Alanis gradually walks back to $500k-$1M by end.

Mandy's Sex Addiction Story

Mandy discusses her sex addiction from ages 16-18. Was on Grindr after getting banned from other apps for lying about age. Slept with up to 7 different people per week; maximum 3 in one day. Body count 50-60 max. Met current boyfriend on Grindr day she stopped. Boyfriend has 18-year age gap.

Nala's OnlyFans Past & Christian Conversion

Nala explains her OnlyFans persona was entirely clickbait including the 'cheating kink' content. She talks about her Christian conversion, selling her Lamborghini and designer goods, paying $300k+ in IRS taxes. Andrew Wilson confronts her repeatedly about the authenticity of her conversion.

Andrew vs Nala: Theology & Christianity Debate

Extended debate about Nala's Christian conversion, the nature of the Trinity (Andrew accuses her of historical heresy/Nestorianism for saying 'three parts' vs 'three persons'), whether she's authentically Christian, biblical submission, and whether converts can correct theology. Rachel (Andrew's wife) joins remotely to clarify submission. Nala's husband Jordan later defends her.

Body Count Discussion

Brian does a body count round: Nala (0/born-again), Nora (13, 3 in a day at her peak), Mandy (50-60 max, former sex addict, 3 in a day max), Vi (~8), JY (0/virgin), Alanis (didn't say), Natalie (0/virgin), Jessica (didn't say clearly).

Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Brian asks panel to rate their looks 1-10 (scale: 1=butt ugly, 7=pretty, 10=perfect). Alanis rates herself 10 (self-confidence). Natalie 8. Mandy 5-6. Vi 5. JY 8. Nora says all women are 10s. Brian gives his philosophy on inaccurate self-assessment leading to unrealistic partner standards. Blind vote by panel had results not disclosed on-air.

Abortion & Political Views

Brief segment on pro-life/pro-choice views. JY pro-life, Natalie pro-life, Alanis pro-choice (with nuance — kept her baby during difficult circumstances), Jessica pro-life, Mandy pro-choice. Brian reveals he would date 19-20yo Victoria's Secret model as a bit. Also: voting round — Nala voted Trump, Alanis voted Trump (surprise).

Submission & Biblical Gender Roles Debate

Andrew Wilson debates submission with JY (19), Jessica, Nala, and others. Andrew argues submission means full obedience even without explanation; women push back saying it requires communication and love. Andrew tries to show the logical contradiction in partial submission. JY admits she's 19 and inexperienced but holds ground. Jessica gives most traditionalist view. Rachel (Andrew's wife) calls in remotely and gives nuanced defense of submission based on trust-building over marriage.

Are These Women Feminists?

Andrew claims all the women except Jessica sound like feminists based on his charitable definition (movement toward egalitarianism, rejection of patriarchy). Panel pushes back. Mandy says women should submit more due to physical strength difference. Jessica admits she changed from feminist to conservative.

Why Brian Won't Get Married

Brian explains he doesn't believe in marriage because divorce is a massive financial loss for men. Panel — especially Natalie and Vi — push back and try to convince him to marry. Brief discussion on women doing 'wifey things' in relationships vs. marriage.

Nala's Husband Jordan Appears

Jordan (Nala's 6'4" military vet husband) comes on set near the end of the show. Brian and Andrew had teased this earlier. Jordan discusses how he met Nala on TikTok Live, prayed for her, encouraged her faith journey. Andrew immediately challenges him about marrying an ex-OnlyFans creator and quizzes him on Trinity. Jordan defends both Nala and his faith.

Roast Session & Final Notes

Brian goes through panelists' pre-submitted notes: Vi's Islam conversion, Natalie's date stories and ideal man requirements (thick/gym guy), Nora's 'not yours' lower-back tattoo, Alanis's emotionally abusive relationship with ex 'Pablo' and possible MS13 connection. TTS donation roast session follows. Show ends after ~8h45m.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasfrequently this whole like well you used to move one way in the past you had no qualms with having sex fairly quickly then now you're gonna make a guy wait seven dates to have sex I mean you're

Brian Atlaswelcome you're free to do that uh I think that's a raw deal for the man in any case but wait so hold on

Noraokay you won't do the bow what's wrong with the bow bro okay I'll do the bow like what I

Brian Atlasdon't you oh my God I'm not I'm not Chinese I'm not doesn't matter so okay would look I'm not German but if my girlfriend asked me to Goose step wait

Brian Atlaswhat the never mind don't worry about it um what is what is that bad joke um okay so I I want to know now it's uh

Brian Atlastypically a March you know Goose stu oh oh yeah that thing that uh speaking of Leo wait Damien not yet not yet um wait

Brian Atlasso hold on um can you just say get to the chopper sorry like you should say what get to the choa my god get to the choa cuz you're German

Brian Atlaslike schwarzeneger like schwarzeneger he a well he's Austrian he's get to the chopper I don't know what he says what else does he say what's one of the famous uh get out there's a bomb in there that's what he

Nala Raysays it's it's I'll be back is his I'll be back wait say I'll be back yeah that pretty good um wait I have a question so are you going to go back to Germany at any point to live there no

Brian Atlasvisiting yes I wonder if this would be worse if it was an american guy playing this so uh get ready to play the video Damon well not on the Windows tab we just need the audio I'll tell you when to play it so you go on this date with a

Brian Atlasguy he's really great and you get back to his place and you hear you hear this start to play like is it a deal

Brian Atlasbreaker hello

Video clipsyes yes 100% that's [Music] like don't dance to it

Norasorry it's a song yeah it's not is it the national anthem what is this it's not hidden it's not it's a it's an old

Norasong okay [Laughter]

Norasounds good it's beautiful it's like he the soldiers sang when they were like Maring

Brian Atlasyeah like Yankee Doodle for us I love that song haven't heard it in years oh my go okay you can stop it you can stop it you can stop it before out

Norabe likeing they're singing about a little flower that's blooming in a wall yeah

Brian Atlasit's not like it predates those guys okay it does it predates but look that's a deal breaker deal breaker for you an

Brian Atlasamerican guy would put that on yeah if he put that on damn it would be freaked out wait worse if an American worse for a German guy to put that on no German

Noraguys listen to that sometimes they do sometimes super wasted wait from the

Brian Atlas1930s okay all right um so moving on anyways oh wait okay no no back to the B really quick okay what's

Brian Atlascrazy to me is like okay you do o right you do o it's like I mean like a girl will she'll refuse to

Brian Atlasdo the bow but she'll like s a dude's D on the first date you know that's crazy you know what I mean okay you know what I mean yeah you know what I'm

Norasaying all right that's fine she doesn't want to do it she doesn't want to do it no bowing no bowing for her I was I not

Brian Atlassaying yes I would you bow for us wait question do you want just really quick wait do you um you're going to school right now right what are you studying again film and acting okay so

Brian Atlasyou want to become like a an international actress an actress and as part of this role as an actress it required you to do a bow would you do it

Brian Atlasyes okay and it was like if you were getting paid you would do it damn yes it's not sexual so yeah well no even if your husband or boyfriend wanting it

Brian Atlasdoesn't mean it's sexual okay could just be totally benign but I guess where my confusion Lies when it comes to submissiveness and this perhaps applies to some of you other

Brian Atlaswomen here so you kind of object to this whole being submissive to your husband

Brian Atlasthing but you'll readily be extremely submissive to an employer for money but let's say this husband of yours he's prepared to financially provide for you

Brian Atlashe wants to make you a stay-at-home wife you never have to work another day in your life I would argue he's going to ask far less of you and he'll be much more

Brian Atlasrespectful of you than your employer will be your employer is going to bark orders at you be here at this time wear

Brian Atlasthis uh uh do this job sit here you've all traded being submissive to a husband to being submissive to your

Brian Atlasemployer I find this interesting if you were Your Own Boss then you're just submissive to yourself sure you can be the same yeah absolutely but most I'm sure you'd agree most people man or woman they're going to work they're

Brian Atlasgoing to have a boss and even people who are self-employed are beholden to someone in some way one way or the other submissive to somebody else to some degree in any case most

Brian Atlaspeople are employees well like even if someone drops something they're like hey can you pick that up that then you go pick it up isn't that being submissive well that's a bit different for from what I'm getting at here but your

Brian Atlasemployer is going to have very strict okay arrive at this time M if this outfit talk to the customers this way but your husband is like telling you a

Nala Raycouple things like y'all won't listen you won't follow his who is y'all cuz please please don't include me in

Brian Atlasthat the the the greater modern the I'd say most modern women most modern women don't want to listen to their

Brian Atlashusbands I disagree I'm sorry I love doing stuff for my husband so for you I don't know what the case is with the Dynamics with you and your husband but a lot of women don't want to be

Nala Raysubmissive they what do you think that is do you think it's because men aren't like living up to their roles now as look it's I I don't I think women also aren't living up to their roles as women at all just the opposite in

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)fact I think women are like we're constantly fighting against what we what like the the role that we're supposed to have you know women are constantly being pushed away from that role we're told you know you're not you're not

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)successful unless you you pursue a career unless you put all of your effort into that unless you you know you're with a ton of guys you know we're fed this lie that this is what we're supposed to do this is the path that we're supposed to go down this is what's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)going to make you happy when the truth is it's like no what what would really make women happy is the role that we have been given the blessing that we've been given by creating life being

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)mothers being you know that's that's what we're supped being a TR wife yeah I think I agree I think nowadays um I think hookup culture has taken over oh I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)think traditional like women who want traditional family like traditional lives is like St home moms it's a we're like a small minority now I think it's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)more um I think it's very very normal for a women to want to have more more dominance in the relationship or they want or they want the men they want they

Brian Atlaswant to lead the men they want the men to be the submissive one I don't even I mean I don't even know if that's true though it's like you're still attracted to men who are masculine and dominant

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and leaders but the feminist mind virus says don't follow so you still want the guy to protect me provide for me but

Brian Atlasexactly but only when I want but also when I when I'm in the mood to be to be I feel like it like going back to this the same girl who's going to work

Brian Atlaslike a brutal fast food job dealing with a boss barking orders cleaning she's going to be cleaning dirty dishes maybe cleaning the bathroom dealing with [ __ ]

Brian Atlasentitled shitty customers for like 15 an hour $20 an hour but like if a guy were to come into the picture who's got the money to support her support a family

Brian Atlasand even make sure she never has to work another day in her life it's like but she doesn't want to Bow doesn't want to cook doesn't want to clean but you'll do all that [ __ ] under

Nala Raythe corporation I don't know who I actually don't personally know one woman that is actually saying that she doesn't want to do any of that for her husband like I literally don't know one person a lot in

Nala Rayon Tik Tok I actually see a lot of women begging to be one of those women and it's like because they want to get back to the older culture and they don't want they don't approve of what's going on with women nowadays or they don't

Nala Rayapprove of how women are acting so entitled nowadays and I completely agree women are completely acting like they own everything like women are the top

Nala Raythe like the money makers but look at look at who our influences are like Kim Kardashian like freaking Kylie Jenner like these billionaire women who have

Nala Rayunrealistic everything like even down to their physical bodies realistic right well because they sold the product their foran they're also still like I'm

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)oppressed and it's the system somehow still rigged against me and you know I I still can't do anything everything that you know men are supposed to do and it's like but that's not but like that influen is teaching women in art

Nala Raygeneration and then it's like these younger moms that we have now that grew up in a generation is just like they saw all that then they had kids and then like what did they teach their kids because this is all they know right now

Mandyif they have kids if they have kids well and then there's all this different advice on how to raise kids so everyone's raising their kids differently now oh yeah there's to many opinions like everyone's like oh gentle

Nala Rayparenting oh like whatever parenting and it's like can we just parent normally like can we feel that's a good point cuz my sister doesn't believe in telling her kid no what she doesn't believe hug

Nala Rayproblem and she's like okay well if you and she's literally like oh okay well just redirect the way you say no I'm like there's only one word for no it's no it's not like maybe can you kindly not do that no it's like no don't do this because I'm the parent and I told

Nala Rayyou not to do something would you please not stick that fork in that light please do not put your hand up on the sto I'm like what because you you're you're afraid of like this negative of effect it's going to have on their

Alanisbrains I'm like what plus when they're told no later on sorry sorry um I think like now these days like gentle parenting is taking so out of context cuz there's a specific way to do it but

Alanispeople take it so far that there there needs to be reprimanded like when it's bad behavior there's a time where you have to be Stern and be like no is no cuz there's a time you know my daughter

Alanisshe's only one and a half so basically she's at that terrible TW age and how did we get to I'm sorry how did we get to this we're talking about like tradwives and

Brian Atlasderailed it's a good conversation honestly wait so okay uh really quick just going back to the bath thing really quick I then we have a couple chats I got to get through and then the rest of the honestly well Nala

Andrew Wilsonyou said that you see all these women on Tik Tok who they want to go back to this idea of traditional Womanhood and you want to go back to being tra women and this type of thing right but the thing

Andrew Wilsonis is that I think most of these women Are chameleons and that when you press them on what they believe traditionalism actually is and what you they think submission actually is and this type of thing they really want an equal

Andrew Wilsonrelationship or some type of egalitarian relationship and I think that men categorically reject that more and more they don't want it they don't want to have an equally yolked relationship it's not of interest to men to be equally

Andrew Wilsonyolked with equally yed as religion I think that when you say equally yolked that this term is applying to the ontology of men and women and egalitarianism is not what that means

Nala Raywait are you talking about like equally yolked as in religion like you believe the same thing or just equally yolked as like you are equal in being men and women you would agree with me right we

Andrew Wilsonhave an ontological difference what is a man and what is a woman is different so ontology being the philosophy of being right what is the being of a man is not the same as the being of a woman facts

Andrew Wilsonwe're not interchangeable witches so saying that we're equally yolked is not saying we're equal it's saying that there is a process an ontological process of of us being super compatible with each other this is true if each of

Andrew Wilsonus is taking on the role we're supposed to be taking on which is a part of who we are as our being agreed but what what ends up happening at least what I see is that many women claim that they want

Andrew Wilsonthat role and then the second they're pushed in this role or they're in the role and get pushed back in it they become ult super ultra feminist immediately they they revert to feminism

Andrew Wilsonin seconds they will if there's a divorce going on they're they go from Trad to feminist real quick look at Steven Crowder's wife for instance I can give you example after example after example of women who do this they

Andrew Wilsoninstantly move into feminism mode I think that men generally are just they just don't believe them they just don't believe them they just don't think that they're actually telling the truth that they're looking for any s sort of

Andrew Wilsontraditional anything because when pushed on these actual topics it becomes more about me the woman than it becomes about uh the submissive role of the woman

Nala Rayright but I do think that what do I get go ahead um I don't actually have any specific uh testimonies to this CU I really don't know these people personally I've just seen that like this is what they're pushing out on social

Nala Raymedia so I really have no idea and I've never pushed them on their views um however I do feel like women are pushed into this role now because of what's going on on social

Nala Raymedia and they see I think that a lot of people see like these generational issues and want to be like so far from it that they want to be like back to the

Nala Raybasics you know what I'm saying like they see all of these issues being pushed out daily like everyone has an issue with something or someone about some different type of opinion and some of us just want to get back to the

Nala Raybasics of what being a wife is about being being a homemaker you know being that nurturing wife for your husband but again I've never pushed these topics on any woman a wife has anything to do with

Andrew Wilsonbeing a homemaker though it I think that I think that I think that uh in most situations we would consider the nuclear family needs a homemaker for sure the Homemaker is not is not the wife you say

Andrew Wilsonno I think that that a good wife only has to do with one thing and the idea of a good wife is the idea of submission and that that is the number one one

Andrew Wilsonthing which makes a wife a good wife is a submitted wife a submitted slave so yeah see what I mean SL you go you revert right to feminism immediately I'm definitely not a feminism I Am So

Andrew WilsonPro but submission is slavery but you said that's the only role for a woman is to for her to submit no I didn't I said that's a key quality to a good wife a submission but you don't think she should make a home a

Andrew Wilsonhome you think no no I said Homemaker Homemaker right whatever you think Homemaker is is tangential to submission because if you have a homemaker who's not submitted then who gives a [ __ ] it

Andrew Wilsonmean I never said it wasn't I do think a woman should submit to her husband all all other things past submission mean nothing without the submission portion

Andrew Wilsonand the second you say a slave right you show exactly why men don't trust these Tik Tock women because it when pushed on what submission is you equate it instantly to slavery so why the [ __ ]

Nala Rayshould they ever trust you they don't trust you describe it you you really think that you should never bring up a topic to your wife because ultimately you what you say rules that's it there's no other option other than that you your

Nala Raywife is there to listen to you when you want her to listen to you but that is it and that she can have no equal equal Say in any type of issue equal say but because don't doesn't don't do you feel

Nala Rayin any way that you're wife brings anything to your do you feel like you can keep interrupting me or treat me like an adult and respect I don't want to talk past each other I just want to

Nala Rayknow what submission means I don't want to talk past you it's easy but it's also different because biblically I mean have you ever heard of like the man is the head and the woman

Andrew Wilsonis the neck no the woman's the body she reflects the body of Christ the man reflects the head of Christ okay um for me I've just heard that the man is the

Andrew Wilsonhead and the woman is the neck however here how here's biblical marriage biblical marriage is the man reflects the head of the church Christ the woman reflects the body of the church okay

Andrew Wilsonthat the church itself is the body okay that is the reflection so the man is a reflection of Christ Paul says uh wives submit to your husbands as you would

Andrew Wilsonunto the Lord unto as you would unto the Lord ABS absolutely so so the thing is is that when you say submission is slavery you'd be saying the same thing about God you submission to God is

Nala Rayslavery then no it's not but doesn't Paul refer himself to as a slave of Jesus Christ and even a servant of Christ Paul refers himself to a servant as a servant

Andrew Wilsonof Christ so is that not the same woman is that not the same thing then no it's not the same thing how is it not the same thing because because then you end up with this logical contradiction again

Andrew Wilsonthe circle so it works like this the man is the head and the man's decision must be adhered to and you must trust him to adhere to it in a Godly way if you move to point two where you say but I must contradict the man even though he's

Andrew Wilsondoing nothing moral or anything which reports against the reason of Christian ethics then you move back to I have no recourse but to listen to the man so anytime you ask for the justification

Andrew Wilsonfor the reasoning right anytime he gives you that that's him being extremely kind to you not a necessity that he does so it's just it's just a logical Circle just always moves back but do you not

Nala Raythink that the wife has her own walk with Christ and that it's not the same as her husbands so do you think wait who's no no your walk your walk with Christ is very different from your

Nala Rayhusband's walk with Christ you are both going in the same direction One you absolutely are but you still have a different walk with Christ than your husband okay but who do you defer to to

Andrew Wilsonno so you so like for instance okay your husband goes to you and he says this church that that that we're going to we're not going here anymore and you say oh that's his spiritual leader hang on

Nala Rayhang on he says I really like the pastor I really like this and he's like we're not going anymore we're not going who do you defer to um I need to have a a different conversation with my husband asking him

Nala Raywhy he doesn't feel this way anymore I need to see why biblically he doesn't think that this church is good for us so so he gives you a justification you disagree no I'm asking questions

Nala Raybased off I am questioning his I'm not questioning his authority I'm questioning where he stands with he answers your questions but hypothetically you disagree say hypothetically no I never said I

Nala Raydisagree I'm just asking I'm asking why he thinks this I'm literally asking his opinion on it I'm not even disagreeing yet you're saying that engage with a hypothetical with me you so you you talk

Andrew Wilsonto him you're asking why he gives you his reasoning and you don't agree so then what's the next I don't agree biblically you don't agree with why he wants to leave this church well honestly

Nala Raythat's okay then so for me I feel like no matter what I'm here to serve the Lord no matter what my husband does or doesn't do so if we decide to go to another church we go to another church under my husband's direction we don't

Nala Rayyeah we don't decide he decides he's saying I'm we are going to a different church and you disagree Joe if I go to I go to the new church that he would like me to go to but in the meantime but in the meantime please let me finish please

Nala Raylet me finish if you don't want to be interrupted I definitely don't want to be interrupted however you're asking me a question and I'm trying to back it up with what I actually think so if he wants to go to a different church that's fine let's go to a different church but in the meantime I can sit and pray and

Nala Rayask God Hey listen God I think this was the wrong decision but I am here to serve my husband like you told me to so prayer can change everything so God can literally come down and change his heart

Nala Rayif if what we're doing is wrong biblically but again yes it is my role to submit to my husband no matter what right so so then if he gives you zero justification right so he says we're

Andrew Wilsonjust leaving the church chur and I don't want to give you a reason as to why are you still going to leave the church with them yes okay well then the justification part is simply a

Andrew Wilsonpreference and not a requirement because ultimately what you're saying there Mrs Andrew loves the enslaving women is that regardless of if he justifies or not

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to [ __ ] do it anyway so if that is the case then can you tell me why it is it's a requirement for him to create the justification to begin with number one you said it was a requirement I never said it was a requirement for

Nala Rayhim to tell me why he was going to do something I said all I said was I would ask his opinion on it I never said it was his requirement to tell me me asking a

Nala Rayquestion is not a requirement he can he can completely ignore me if he wanted to how then how is my view then how is my view of submission slavery n because are we referring to the video of this girl

Andrew Wilsonbowing and serving her husband like that no you said my view of submission with slavery how is it you can't see it how is slavery if you literally agree with my view of

Nala Raysubmission well because the way you the way you go about it is saying like so no matter what I'm going to make the decisions basically F her like it doesn't matter she's the wife I don't care like what she has to say but you don't think that she could bring

Andrew Wilsonanything spiritual to the relationship because what you're the man it's ultimately decision I just say it's ultimately his decision so if it's ultimately his decision you agree it's ultimately his decision

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to comply with it whether he justifies it or not did I not say exactly and that's exactly my view then how in the world could you then say that's cuz Andrew you want a slave that

Nala Raymakes no sense well just the way you speak about your wife is quite difficult for me to understand would you like to talk to my wife oh my God can

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)we let's get her on let's talk to your wife bring Rachel out let's get Rachel God help you if you talk to Rachel okay let's get Rachel wait but letel speaking

Brian Atlasof which I'm the nice one Nala hey speaking of which we also need to get Nala's husbands oh can I can I text him uh I think we're pretty close to being

Brian Atlasready to uh have him come so let me try to get like his might be dead I might have to run downstairs and grab him he's in the parking lot he's

Brian Atlasthere okay a traditional wife where the wife tells the husband what he can and can't spend their money on based on what she thinks is reasonable uh L Paladin it's good to see you in the chat man

Brian Atlasthank you so much uh where the wife tells the husband what he can can't spend their money on Bas wait

Brian Atlaswas this directed at the girl who got up maybe oh okay uh let's pull up twitch really quick guys go to Twitch wait

Andrew WilsonAndrew did you want to get Rachel or was that well it hang on hang on a second okay I just wasn't sure uh go ahead pull she said uh she she said to give her uh 10 minutes okay perfect we'll do it I

Andrew Wilsonmean you think you think that I I I think that my version of submission is um well I would say even compared to the traditional church is actually quite Progressive in comparison to what my

Andrew Wilsonwife thinks but you guys will learn better here in a few minutes I mean you think you think that I'm the mean one no and the thing is is like I you guys are all about to find out different all

Andrew Wilsonright I'm just so curious as to who marri wait oh my god well I'd be so curious as to who married fortit but

Nala RayI'll meet him soon I'll meet him Brian what were you gonna say sorry uh look it might be a good idea not to uh

Brian Atlasyou know look Andrew is going to match your energy if you're going to be nasty towards Andrew he's going to be nasty back correct and Andrew

Nala Rayhe goes in he will go in where's this going to what I've seen this dude I've seen this about hours us we be nice to them I'm not surprised simple even if you are nice to him he's not nice so it

Nala Raydoesn't matter no he matches energy so if you're nice to him literally that's not true yeah no literally it's true it's literally literally true I just watched

Brian Atlasit is literally true literally literally the best the best podcast matches he's the best at matching energy Andrew is the best guy I've ever met

Brian Atlashe's the best okay wait Nala can you put your mic to the edge of the table she that all okay go to Twitch man know bro guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever guys

Brian Atlaswe're we're like less than 200 away from 94,000 get us to 94,000 followers tonight if you do will do an A heo okay

Nala Raythere we go all right you guys we will say your names coming and follow let's go let's go let's go wait Nala read that top one there thank no no on the thank him for the prime

Nala Rayhorn thank him for the prime Nala Nala blank Nala thank you so much for subscribing local drunk welcome in Captain welcome in thank you for that follow Izzy welcome in thank you for that follow oog thank you so much for that subscription appreciate you fire

Nala Raythe cannon welcome in thank you for that follow appreciate you Miler tdd thank you for the prime welcome in fire thank you for the prime appreciate Ian welcome in thank you for that follow Jane o x welcome in ego

Brian Atlaswhat's up what's up y'all we got to get these uh followers up yo hornal thank you for the Prime oh wait NASA welcome for that follow one that you my

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Nala RayLord Great Name taints Lord Doug Doug thank he's the Lord of tains XV I Wu thank you for that follow appreciate you come on guys pop off pop off Lord of taint I woshu thank you for the follow

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Brian Atlaschat I don't know how to do Trump ready support the best support the best podcast in this country you know I got a question for you though you you're

Mandyyou're voting for Trump yes why you know like first impression I I was kind of shocked you know the pink purple hair doesn't mean I have to vote for comma

Mandygood for you it good for we are I can dress how I want amen the Emos and the like how do you describe your style like it what's the sub I don't know I guess

Mandyyou could say scen mo like scene and emo like I do like the hair on you I like the purple I do like that too than we look we are taking back

Brian Atlasthe America great again we are taking them back we're bringing them to the conservative side you know I want to

Brian Atlasread a Bible verse from where do it Psalm because PE you guys were really questioning my seven sons okay and I

Brian Atlasfelt I feel uh what's that term in what's the term uh I feel violated v v Vindicated vind vind called share called

Brian AtlasI feel called called what's the word Andrew it's like a it's like a Christian convicted convicted convicted I feel convicted you feel convicted Brian is that the right word I don't know um that's like guilt no that's the right

Brian Atlasword perspective Psalm 1274 like arrows in the hands of a

Brian Atlaswarrior are children born in a man's youth does it say seven sons children it doesn't say Sons does it in a man wait hold on let

Brian Atlasme it does say children it does say children but obviously so you think that means seven sons only so you took no it doesn't mean seven and it doesn't mean

NatalieSons but like 10 you need your sons to for the warrior component question for Bri would you pull a 19 kids in counting just to get enough boys wait what I what

Nataliepull a 19 Kids and Counting do you know that show wait what 19 Kids and Counting it's like of religious people it was like a TLC show back back in the day they had 19 kids and their kids had kids felt like I was always counting on but

Nataliewhat do you pull that if you had to get Sons like let's say you had five girls and Al you had 10 girls oh like so how many girls before I have I have oh we keep going till I get one son at Le okay

Brian Atlas20 kids in counting is this new show yeah I hope you have $5 million I got it she has it she got it she got it she got it yeah I mean I would want to I want want to keep going

Brian AtlasI mean if we already have like seven daughters like I'll be happy with one son but I'd like to have like at least two at least two so if that means four daughters and we got to get to two sons

Andrew Wilsonyeah we like yeah what if they all transitioned oh he's like they are my sons I mean there's more than one way to get a son I guess oh my gosh but the

Andrew Wilsongirl all all of human History Society has been patrilineal so it's always been from father to son Y and even in modernity it's from father to son now you can I mean you can cop NOA like you've been doing most of the

Nala Rayevening but that is the case what's can can you define Coke no cope oh I was like Coke La that's a new one I love that he's just making up words oh yeah

Andrew Wilsonso it's patrilineal so it it passes from father to son and even now it passes to father to son and still even now the woman is supposed to take a husband's name whether they do or not they're

Andrew Wilsonsupposed to uh but that that is that is what uh patriarchy is it's all patrilineal so of course men want to have sons because Sons carry their names I mean that's that's the way that that

Andrew Wilsonworks they don't they're not always blessed with a son but uh somebody wanting to have multiple Sons especially men I totally understand it because that's what carries the name also

Brian Atlasthere's you know how there's different translations of the Bible so some of them just say children but I'm also seeing some here that it it actually specifically specifi Sons so Sons born

Brian Atlasduring one's youth are like Arrows In A Warrior's hand what version of the Bible is how joyful is the man whose quiver is

Brian Atlasfull of them what version um version of the Bible hold on NV NLT ESV oh no there's a million K Jam there's a lot of them Christian Standard Bible Homan

Brian AtlasChristian Standard Bible good news translation literal Standard Version New American Bible NE Bible new revised stand young lital Young's literal

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)translation uh yeah I don't know so just saying you know that's cool I'm sure you'll get your sons you will get your sons one day one day daughters will be cool too you know

Brian Atlasthey could be badass you could raise them to be like definitely going for the sun definitely going for the okay would you accept it if your daughters had Sons no he's like it's not that same I mean

Brian Atlasit's still that'd be cool doesn't want his daughter to be a I got to have I got to have at least two sons hopefully it's three in case one of

Brian Atlasthem's a [ __ ] up hopefully it's like four in case the other two are [ __ ] up and like hopefully seven I feel like seven five of them seven is a good good number Insurance in case the first six

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)[ __ ] up like one of them dies from denter or some [ __ ] the other dies are we in the Victorian we are in the Victorian area

Viare you king like Henry you know can't and then runs out of what if she can't yeah what happens if she runs out of eggs you know what you guys are going

Natalieto hate my answer are you ask for embryo are you going ask for embryo transplant just get another one another wife another woman for another

Brian Atlaswoman yeah you guys take that [ __ ] serious it's like another embryo basically from another woman he' be like a here's the thing I don't want to get married have this one I don't want to

Brian Atlasget married so are you serious correct are you Christian why I don't want to get married why Andrew's working on me he's going to Andrew's going to convert me to Orthodox Christian already please

Andrew Wilsondon't he's really close hey Nala be respectful of what of what do you mean please don't become a non-denominational Christian who believes that Jesus isn't Divine and that never said that

Andrew Wilsonliterally he doesn't matter and that submission means something all I believe in is a relationship with CHR listen Nala Andrew's chat has been

Brian Atlasex what's that term exting no excoriating wait what's the excruciating excoriating they've been censuring and

Brian Atlascriticizing me severely so I got to step up now boys no I will have no part in your I will have no part in your uh

Brian Atlasheresy in your heresy Church hold up Brian this is important hi wife so cute okay just ignore ignore it wait what is it what's up Rachel hey how's it going

Brian Atlaswe Rachel we were just oh Rachel we were we were just talking about how Andrew's he's getting me close he's getting me close to Orthodox Christianity and Nal

Brian Atlasover here is like oh no don't do the Orthodox I was like defitely first first off put a little respect on Orthodox Christianity because rude One how can

Nala Rayyou put respect on it when you don't even believe in it what did I I look I'm I'm almost there chill out Nala chill out Brian you chill I'll make you chill

Brian Atlasout this and and second one I wanted to meet you that's why hold on hold on and then secondly listen wait what's the term you use uh Rachel it's it's the

Nala Rayheresy Church yeah that's what I that's what I call Nom churches look Orthodox Christianity in my view it's like the most based it's the most based what about having a relationship with Christ

Nala RayGod did not come to start a religion he came to start a relationship yeah but like all like what what are what are you basing this off saying wait wait wait you're not doing the spiritual but not religious routine are you why do you

Rachel (Andrew's wife)believe in a religion did God create a religion or did he create disciples to go spread the word of God okay well if you read the Bible Christ says I have come to establish my church and the

Rachel (Andrew's wife)Gates of Hell will not Prevail against against it he didn't say I've came to left you leave you this Bible and you can just read it and the Holy Spirit will tell you whatever you want to hear and you just do your own thing girl you don't have to go to a church you don't

Rachel (Andrew's wife)need these sacraments you don't need this church cannon in fact you wouldn't have a Bible if it wasn't for the Orthodox Church do you know anything about how the biblical Cannon was for I

Nala Rayactually don't so for me because I again I do not believe in having a religion I really don't believe in having a religion to get to heaven I believe in having a relationship ship and thinking and not even thinking but knowing that

Nala RayChrist died on the cross for my sins and that I needed to repent and change my ways and then continue to live out my life spreading the word of God is it not that do you not believe in that or I'm

Rachel (Andrew's wife)confused does Jesus say that you have to eat his body and drink his blood to be saved does he does he command us to receive communion with him through the

Nala Raydrinking of his blood and the eating of his body in the Bible yes okay not to be saved but it doesn't it's not a requirement to be saved to have communion but it's

Rachel (Andrew's wife)something you should do as a Christian what do you think you're participating in when you're doing that have you ever taken communion

Nala Raymhm what what is it that you're participating in when you take part in the Eucharist or have communion I think having a deeper relationship with Christ and understanding that again the bread

Nala Rayrepresents his body that you are taking and receiving into yourself and then the blood which isn't blood but like grape juice or something with Catholics I know it's wine but for me I just feel like

Nala Rayit's again communion with the Holy Spirit communion with Christ communion with God that is what you are accepting you the the problem here is that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about you don't know

Rachel (Andrew's wife)anything about the history of Christianity where your Bible came from who any of the context in which was written this is all really really important Stu what what Bible do you

Rachel (Andrew's wife)what you don't know who you're having a relationship with Jesus Christ you don't think I know who I have a relationship with you don't know who the person of Jesus Christ is unless you have some

Rachel (Andrew's wife)context you don't just what let me ask you this how did a Christian in the year 300 know Christ um did they read their Bible and did they read a Bible and read

Nala Rayabout Jesus and that's how they had a relationship no I really think that it was the Holy Spirit that came down because he's claimed to be our Helper and that is what it happened like even people in the Bible they didn't have a

Rachel (Andrew's wife)Bible to go off of right so how do you you you just think that the Holy Spirit just comes down and does what how does

Nala Raythis work he's claimed to be our Helper and our teacher so he teaches us so in in all of us in the Bible in the Bible it says that there's a part in us that knows who Christ is so no matter what

Nala Raywho or who who it is that there's a peace in us that knows who Christ is and that will be revealed sometimes but God can reveal himself in so many different ways to a person in dreams through a

Rachel (Andrew's wife)different person through Visions like it could be any way possible so that's how I think okay well you the problem with this is you're doing like this DIY Mr

Rachel (Andrew's wife)Potato Head Christianity where we just read the Bible and we get bits and pieces and we kind of put it together like a little Mr Potato Head and we make up our own Christianity as long as we get the spirit of the thing that's all that

Nala Raycounts but that is not but you don't even know what I do in my practice to even understand how I got saved you you're telling me that what all I do is read the Bible whenever I feel like it and then I feel like I'm saved but you

Rachel (Andrew's wife)have no idea what my spiritual walk looks like ma'am ma'am you think that the Eucharist is just like thinking about Jesus and the Holy Spirit while you eat some crackers and have some grap

Rachel (Andrew's wife)I never said that communion between the Holy Spirit Jesus and God is a is a actual relationship you said it's not the real presence of God you said it's not his real blood and it's not his real

Rachel (Andrew's wife)body and you know that neither Roman Catholics nor not bread is it not bread and grape juice bro is it not bread and grap it's not bread and grap can I

Rachel (Andrew's wife)interject this woman is not if I could talk you dragged me down for this woman is not a Christian she doesn't believe in the Divinity of Christ she doesn't believe in the real presence of the

Rachel (Andrew's wife)Eucharist she thinks it's just just bread and grape juice bro we just like think ho Spirit we eat bread we drink the she thinks it's just an empty symbol she does not know what Christianity is

Rachel (Andrew's wife)she doesn't even think it's a religion this is a new age girl this is a new age chick oh it doesn't take new age anything to Believe In Christ selfhelp

Rachel (Andrew's wife)she found self-help Jesus Buddy Christ she found self-help Jesus and she made her own Mr Potato Head Jesus that she follows she's not even a Christian she

Rachel (Andrew's wife)said so herself who are you to say that I'm not a Christian who are you you sound like a phe you that Christianity has specific criteria for who is a Christian that's in your religion that

Rachel (Andrew's wife)is in your religion that is in your religion can I just want you on record saying Christianity is not a real religion I never said that I said I am non- denominational when did I say

Nala RayChristianity a religion is Christianity a religion I'm sorry but we have people on the table shaking their heads no that I didn't say that is Christianity a religion Christianity I don't think so

Nala Rayno well then what are you arguing with me about why would what are you arguing with me about you're saying that what I'm doing is wrong and that I'm not a Christian but like would you agree that

Nala Raylike Muslims is that a religion yes Islam is a religion yes Islam is a religion but like there's okay so Christianity is its own religion but there's so many religions within

Nala Rayjust Christianity like Orthodox people call call themselves Christians so do Pentecostals they call themselves Christians so what that's like the head of the umbrella that's the head any any

Rachel (Andrew's wife)religion that follows Christ is Under the Umbrella of Christianity so like if I'm going to be talking way over her head to explain things to her we're going to have to go over like you know I'll just say this you need to read

Rachel (Andrew's wife)church history you need to educate yourself you can't just snap your fingers and come how does reading church history make you safe you cannot come on here and start telling people what Christianity is when you have no

Rachel (Andrew's wife)freaking clue what it is yourself you just don't I'm sorry have I don't know Jesus and learn learn first this is what how does church history make you safe how does church history make you safe

Rachel (Andrew's wife)you you quit o and started a Ministry and now you're out here teaching people I never started a Ministry I never started a Ministry then why are you on here correcting people about theology your husb know the first thing about

Nala Rayyour husband who's calling me names you you're mad at me for correcting your husband who's calling me names and saying I'm not a Christian is that what you're mad about I'm saying you're not a Christian he also said that I wasn't a Christian listen I was wondering um did

Alanisyou have something say be a Christian when deny the tenants of Christianity sorry you can't about like the communion so basically for Catholics there's something called transubstantiation where when we go back

Alanisand do like what's called like the Holy Thursday where they so like this is my body and I give it up to you that whole part is that like taco Tuesday no no um

Alanisso basically at that point like it there has been cases where the like bread that they give us turns into actual flesh and

Alanisthe blood turns into actual blood which it happened I think in Argentina it happened in Argentina it happened in different um places and then they put it in like a specific thing and they do something called adoration so cool so

Nala Raythat's what she's talking about that is the whole point well she never explained that number one but like for me it's like communion means something different for everyone but communion means relationship you are communing with the

Rachel (Andrew's wife)Holy Spirit you being in one you are literally becoming like one with them why are you telling me this when you don't have any clue what you don't know what communion is from a my thing is is

Nala Raylike why are you getting upset that I don't know church history when I literally just became a Christian you're upset at me exactly so stop telling me what communion is you ask me what

TTS/Donationsopinionated $22 I can't believe you woke up Rachel to argue theology Andrew could have covered this what we really need from

TTS/Donationsyou is to tell these 304s what submission is because theyan let's hear it let's hear it Rachel submission sure I just want to I

Rachel (Andrew's wife)want to understand how you guys think that the word submission means I will allow you to lead with my Express approval

Rachel (Andrew's wife)which I may revoke at any time please explain to me how that in any way could possibly be the meaning of submission it's literally the opposite

Rachel (Andrew's wife)yeah you're like Le if you can convince me right if I can be convinced that you are making a good decision then I will allow you I will get my little rubber stamp out and

Rachel (Andrew's wife)I will stamp my approval and say you may lead on this issue because you have ConEd me and I am satisfied with your explanation but if I change my mind tomorrow this this gets revoked we're

Brian Atlasnot doing it and you're going to once again have to litigate your case to me for why we should do what you want W Rachel wait JY you have JY you and Andrew are have them back and forth

Brian Atlasthere I feel like uh JY you and Rachel should have that back and forth can I be honest I'm actually kind of scared I'm more scared of her than no she lik that she liked it it's

Rachel (Andrew's wife)out of respect it's out of respect it's out of respect I prise you know I'm not look look at my sweatshirt I'm cuddly I even look aty bear she's a teddy bear

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)she's a teddy bear yeah you know honestly I've done some thinking you know in my silent moments after our little I I guess debate um and honestly

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I've taken a lot into what you said in consideration you know I think maybe I had I I felt maybe a little hostility so I was trying to like argue back and

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)forth but honestly I think I'm I I may be tiny bit convinced a little bit about like your guys's view on submission I'm

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)not going to say that yeah for sure I I agree 100% because I I still need to do a lot of thinking on my own um I I will I am going to take your guys's view into

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)consideration and you know really think about what submission means to me and you know I'm not I'm going to I'm going to do something on my own I I don't want to

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)submit to um just these like Theory or like not theories um these definitions that are being told to me in one night I'm going to spend some time you know thinking about it you know I might even

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)talk to my parents about it you know my dad's an elder at our church and I trust his word more than anything more than any Professor so I I might go talk to him about it there's a lot of things I I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)talk to my parents about just to like you know is this what I'm like just not even if is this why I should believe but it's like is this like what you guys would teach me or is this something you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)guys would endorse just stuff like that so I take everything you guys are saying like like what you just um explained to us right there I took that into consideration I took what you said in consideration and I took what Andrew

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)said into consideration and I think I'm just going to take some time to you know process and think about it and I don't want to I don't want to go into another debate because I know that I'm not going to win that debate I got I got the

Rachel (Andrew's wife)message I got got the message okay in in you guys' defense real quick every single one of you and myself included anybody who's like under the age of 75 you've been programmed your whole life

Rachel (Andrew's wife)with feminist presuppositions about the world and how it works and what to think about relationships and marriage and that's all of us all of us are born with that we're programmed with it and it

Rachel (Andrew's wife)takes questioning the programming and thinking stuff through to figure it out and sometimes that's hard to do it's painful to do because you're like wait have I had like a wrong idea about this this whole time because this what I've

Rachel (Andrew's wife)always heard and it's what I've always seen in the culture and in the pop culture and it's what I was raised with for a lot of people so don't feel too bad about going oh [ __ ] I guess I've never really thought this through I'm

Rachel (Andrew's wife)just working off of assumptions and propaganda that I've been told so I mean especially if you being really young like you guys don't feel too bad about having to like stop and think stuff

Rachel (Andrew's wife)through and consider that maybe Andrew is not the meanest craziest man on the internet he might he might be doing his job which is to like poke at your programming and try to untangle it and

Rachel (Andrew's wife)that can be that can feel shitty sometimes to be honest so but you guys are strong independent women and you can all handle it I believe in you your

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)Queens you're tens you can do this oh no I think also is just that we there's this like as you said there's this

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)really broad um version of what feminism is and I think according to that broad version I don't think a lot of us would be would consider ourselves feminism which is basically hating men we want to

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)be better than men like a lot of this stuff we never consider like you know the small itty bitty nitty-gritties of what like a feminism like submission I've never considered that like I've considered it because it's biblical and

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I I've read it in the Bible but I've never like considered like oh what would I do in this situation what would I do in that situation so it's a lot of things that are kind of being uncovered in this podcast really that I never would have even considered outside of

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)this I'm like social media really shows us this like small little group of what feminism really is so honestly like getting different um points of view

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)getting people from different you know denominations like you guys are from Orthodox I'm from Reformed Presbyterian like I'm hearing so many different like information I'm just like absorbing it all you know so honestly it's actually

Rachel (Andrew's wife)kind of exciting here's here's a really good example of programming when you guys hear the word submit your brain doesn't hear the word submit it hears the word slave and I totally get that

Rachel (Andrew's wife)I'm a woman too and that's what I used to associate it with when I was younger as well but if you actually stop to think about it so do you guys think cuz this is this is why everybody always wants to drag me down here right they're

Rachel (Andrew's wife)like I can't believe that his wife would go along with him saying this awful stuff and then I come down and say okay look if Andrew said say honey I know I've got this really good secure job

Rachel (Andrew's wife)where I'm making 200k a year but I have a business idea I've got a great plan it's way like over your head of like it's got stuff things to do with stuff you have no idea about um and I really

Rachel (Andrew's wife)just don't want to like explain a bunch of stuff to you that's completely over your head and confuse you with stuff that you know nothing about and care nothing about so I just want you to trust me I know it's a little risky but I'm taking the sleap of faith and that's

Rachel (Andrew's wife)what I'm going to do now the wife is going to immediately go to like oh but what what if we don't have health insurance and what if we don't have this and what if it doesn't work out and do you have a backup plan and how do I know this is going to work and what if it means that our income goes down for a

Rachel (Andrew's wife)while the woman's like natural thing is going to be to come up with every objection possible and sometimes in order for men to get things done they have to be like look you just got to

Rachel (Andrew's wife)trust me on this I don't have like days to convince you and months to calm all your fears and your worries and like I you know I I can't go through all that this is what I'm going to do I have a really great opportunity I'm going to go

Rachel (Andrew's wife)ahead and do it sometimes men have to do that because otherwise life becomes nothing but nonstop like the husband feels like he has to sell the wife on every single decision and she's got to be convinced

Rachel (Andrew's wife)of every angle and if she's not sure she's going to constantly pest him and go I don't know about it it really makes me nervous and I've been think you know sometimes men just have to be look this is what we're doing just trust me I'll

Rachel (Andrew's wife)handle it and if you really are worried that you married a guy who who you can't trust at least to that degree you shouldn't marry him but what you'll find if you've been married a long time like

Rachel (Andrew's wife)I have is the trust grows so in the beginning it'll be small things M and then your husband and husbands make mistakes and they have to grow as people too they don't get everything right in the beginning they have to figure out

Rachel (Andrew's wife)through making mistakes what works and what doesn't too so you have to have a lot of Grace in the beginning first 5 10 years of your marriage if your husband makes decisions he has a great plan and it doesn't work out you can't forever hold that over his

Rachel (Andrew's wife)head and be like remember the last time that you told me and it didn't work out the voice is the same our voice is not the same no no

Nala Raywhen he does that mocking voice you guys do the same mocking voice yes I think he learned it from there's some similarities there are some creepy similarities but I'm just saying like

Rachel (Andrew's wife)this this is why I was just trying to briefly kind of explain from the man's perspective why why they don't want to endlessly litigate every decision they can't get [ __ ] done and they want they need to be efficient and on top of things and they have to get good at

Brian Atlasmaking decisions and not second guessing themselves and so you have to back them up on that [ __ ] oh Rachel your audio uh cut out

Brian Atlasthere I audio cut out uh Rachel I have one question for you before I don't know if oh can't hear you what happened the

Brian Atlasmic unplugged she unplugged her mic she was too based for the microphone is just like oh man we can't handle any more of

Brian Atlasthese based we could read herps she laughing she's laughing based patriarchy Ortho takes

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)anymore oh no Andrew tech support uh oh I think we need some

Brian Atlascall like calling Mr uh uh oh wait can uh can they hear you on her stream on like

Brian Atlasyo Crucible chat did hold on let me pull it up can you guys hear her or is it just on our end let me see Crucible chat I if you're watching

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