NALA RETURNS?! Nala's Husband CRASHES Show?! Single Mom Wants $5M/YEAR Man?! | Dating Talk #210

Date: 2024-11-04

Duration: 8h 44m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nora(guest)

SPEAKER_04JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Natalie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Production(audience)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Nala Ray(guest)

SPEAKER_09Video clips(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Jordan (Nala's husband)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Rachel (Andrew's wife)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Alanis(guest)

SPEAKER_14Vi(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNala Ray introduces herself as married, with a clothing line and race car giveaways — returning guest from ~1 year prior

“hi I'm Nala Ray I'm 26 um I live in South Carolina with my husband and we started a clothing line company called be the change and we do race car giveaways”

QuoteAlanis drops bombshell: her bare minimum income requirement for a man is $5 million per year

“yeah like 5 mil a year is a basic minimum”

ControversyAndrew Wilson methodically dismantles Alanis's $5M/year demand by pointing out she's an overweight single mom living with parents who doesn't know the rules of her own trust

“overweight single mom who lives with her parents wants man who makes $5 million a year to marry her under a prenuptual agreement that he doesn't have access to the wealth in a trust that she doesn't know the rules of”

QuoteMandy reveals she was a self-described sex addict from ages 16-18, sleeping with up to 7 different people per week at peak

“I would say 16 to 18 right before I met my boyfriend”

QuoteMandy reveals her body count is 50-60 maximum

“probably 50 to 60 Max”

QuoteNala reveals her OnlyFans 'cheating kink' persona was entirely clickbait to go viral and make money — she was completely single during that time

“everything I've said on podcast is complete clickbait I did it to go viral to then make money and so many people believed it and it worked”

ControversyAndrew Wilson vs Nala Ray: intense confrontation about her calling him demonic vs. calling her a 'satanic prostitute', the nature of her Christianity, whether her conversion is genuine or a grift, and Christian theology

“you were a lying deceiving prostitute and you're like Andrew why weren't you just nice like what are you talking about”

QuoteNala says she sold everything — her house, Lamborghini, designer goods — after her Christian conversion, and now drives a Jeep in South Carolina

“I sold everything I sold my house I sold my car I sold all the designer things I had”

QuoteAndrew reads First Timothy 2:12 in Darth Vader voice: 'I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man, she must be silent'

“I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over man she must be silent boom roasted”

QuoteBrian reads his 'Psalm of seven sons' — reads Psalm 127 to justify wanting 7 sons

“Psalm 1274 like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in a man's youth”

ControversyAndrew vs JY (19yo): intense submission debate where Andrew tries to show the logical contradiction in partial submission (you obey anyway so why require explanation?). JY holds her ground; Andrew asks if she's 'too stupid' to argue (she said yes to shut him up).

“are you too stupid to argue with answer yes that's the end of the argument”

OtherBrian plays clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him when he comes home from work as an example of submission; panel debates whether they would bow to their husband

“I have an expectation that my girlfriend bows to me when I get home from the podcast”

QuoteRachel (Andrew's wife) joins the show remotely and gives nuanced defense of biblical submission based on trust-building over time, explaining why men sometimes can't explain decisions and why women need to trust their husbands

“sometimes men just have to be look this is what we're doing just trust me I'll handle it”

OtherJordan (Nala's 6'4" military vet husband) arrives on set to surprise Nala. Brian and Nala had been teasing his appearance all show.

“Jordan arrives on set. 6'4", Pacific Islander/African-American mix, military vet, TikTok content creator.”

ControversyAndrew immediately challenges Jordan about marrying an ex-OnlyFans creator and quizzes him on the Trinity. Jordan defends Nala and his faith calmly.

“I was just wondering what kind of guy you know marries a prostitute”

QuoteJordan explains how he met Nala: she came into his TikTok Live, threw him a gift; he eventually encouraged her faith journey not with emotional ties but through prayer

“we were literally just friends for like the majority of our relationship until we got married”

QuoteJordan reveals Nala was making $300k/month on OnlyFans when she gave it all up for God

“she was making 300K a month and she didn't even want that because at the end you know none of that's going to matter”

QuoteNora reveals her lower-back 'not yours' tattoo — got it to assert ownership of herself during a phase when men would say 'you're mine'

“it's a heart and in the heart it says not yours”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Panel introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian and Andrew introduce themselves. Relationship status round covers everyone from married Nala to perpetually single JY.

Standards & Pickiness in Dating

Discussion of what each panelist looks for in a partner: physical, personality, financial. Nora wants $500k+ minimum. Alanis controversially claims she wants a man making $5 million/year, sparking extended debate about realism vs. aspirations.

Alanis's $5M/Year Man Debate

Extended multi-hour debate about Alanis wanting a man who earns $5M/year. Andrew Wilson challenges the logic given she lives with parents, makes $22/hr, and has a trust fund she doesn't understand. Rachel (Andrew's wife) also weighs in remotely. Alanis gradually walks back to $500k-$1M by end.

Mandy's Sex Addiction Story

Mandy discusses her sex addiction from ages 16-18. Was on Grindr after getting banned from other apps for lying about age. Slept with up to 7 different people per week; maximum 3 in one day. Body count 50-60 max. Met current boyfriend on Grindr day she stopped. Boyfriend has 18-year age gap.

Nala's OnlyFans Past & Christian Conversion

Nala explains her OnlyFans persona was entirely clickbait including the 'cheating kink' content. She talks about her Christian conversion, selling her Lamborghini and designer goods, paying $300k+ in IRS taxes. Andrew Wilson confronts her repeatedly about the authenticity of her conversion.

Andrew vs Nala: Theology & Christianity Debate

Extended debate about Nala's Christian conversion, the nature of the Trinity (Andrew accuses her of historical heresy/Nestorianism for saying 'three parts' vs 'three persons'), whether she's authentically Christian, biblical submission, and whether converts can correct theology. Rachel (Andrew's wife) joins remotely to clarify submission. Nala's husband Jordan later defends her.

Body Count Discussion

Brian does a body count round: Nala (0/born-again), Nora (13, 3 in a day at her peak), Mandy (50-60 max, former sex addict, 3 in a day max), Vi (~8), JY (0/virgin), Alanis (didn't say), Natalie (0/virgin), Jessica (didn't say clearly).

Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Brian asks panel to rate their looks 1-10 (scale: 1=butt ugly, 7=pretty, 10=perfect). Alanis rates herself 10 (self-confidence). Natalie 8. Mandy 5-6. Vi 5. JY 8. Nora says all women are 10s. Brian gives his philosophy on inaccurate self-assessment leading to unrealistic partner standards. Blind vote by panel had results not disclosed on-air.

Abortion & Political Views

Brief segment on pro-life/pro-choice views. JY pro-life, Natalie pro-life, Alanis pro-choice (with nuance — kept her baby during difficult circumstances), Jessica pro-life, Mandy pro-choice. Brian reveals he would date 19-20yo Victoria's Secret model as a bit. Also: voting round — Nala voted Trump, Alanis voted Trump (surprise).

Submission & Biblical Gender Roles Debate

Andrew Wilson debates submission with JY (19), Jessica, Nala, and others. Andrew argues submission means full obedience even without explanation; women push back saying it requires communication and love. Andrew tries to show the logical contradiction in partial submission. JY admits she's 19 and inexperienced but holds ground. Jessica gives most traditionalist view. Rachel (Andrew's wife) calls in remotely and gives nuanced defense of submission based on trust-building over marriage.

Are These Women Feminists?

Andrew claims all the women except Jessica sound like feminists based on his charitable definition (movement toward egalitarianism, rejection of patriarchy). Panel pushes back. Mandy says women should submit more due to physical strength difference. Jessica admits she changed from feminist to conservative.

Why Brian Won't Get Married

Brian explains he doesn't believe in marriage because divorce is a massive financial loss for men. Panel — especially Natalie and Vi — push back and try to convince him to marry. Brief discussion on women doing 'wifey things' in relationships vs. marriage.

Nala's Husband Jordan Appears

Jordan (Nala's 6'4" military vet husband) comes on set near the end of the show. Brian and Andrew had teased this earlier. Jordan discusses how he met Nala on TikTok Live, prayed for her, encouraged her faith journey. Andrew immediately challenges him about marrying an ex-OnlyFans creator and quizzes him on Trinity. Jordan defends both Nala and his faith.

Roast Session & Final Notes

Brian goes through panelists' pre-submitted notes: Vi's Islam conversion, Natalie's date stories and ideal man requirements (thick/gym guy), Nora's 'not yours' lower-back tattoo, Alanis's emotionally abusive relationship with ex 'Pablo' and possible MS13 connection. TTS donation roast session follows. Show ends after ~8h45m.

Transcript

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JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)yes uh same same uh same concept like I used to I kind of bought into that idea of like in order to um I guess just to feel valued or to feel like I was worth

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)something that I had to do what everybody else was doing um I grew up in a really like religious household that's why I got married really young I married at 18 I was married for you know 10 years 7 years but I was with with my

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)ex-husband for um for seven we were married for seven um and when we divorced I just had this idea in my head that you know that I had missed out

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)somehow you know that all these other girls had to got to go through this phase of you know partying and and hooking up and yeah so I just bought into that and you used to consider

Brian Atlasyourself a feminist now you don't yes uh just going around the table who here considers themselves a feminist no not

Brian Atlasat all yes yes no no no yeah no it's a feminist feminist okay uh and then you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)said you used to hate Donald Trump and now you love him yep same same thing like that whole that whole mind rot just I used to think he was all the things like all the things that people like to argue about he was racist that he was

Brian Atlassexist that he was a predator that he was all of these things but no dude Andrew I'm reading your chat and it's like so scathingly I don't even know where to begin

Andrew Wilsonbro all these women minus the one who just talked sound like feminist to

Andrew Wilsonme all sound like feminist to me how so when we get to when we get to these ideas of things like submission we get these ideas of these things uh I suddenly hear a bunch of feminism

Andrew Wilsonpopping up so I just just just wanted to point that out um now you guys I mean you can roll your eyes right but if any of you would like to engage so I can point out how the likelihood that you're

Mandya feminist is basically 100% I'm happy to do so well what what would your definition of a feminist be because a lot of the time it's an extremist point of view and a lot of people view it as that and it and it is an extremist point

Andrew Wilsonof view yeah I'll give the most charitable view that I possibly can a movement towards egalitarianism between men and women and the rejection of patriarchal systems okay that's

Nala Rayfeminism well for me personally submission is only due to my husband and that is it I'm not here to submit to any other man other than my husband unless

Nala Rayit's like a church leader or someone wiser than me um who's asking you to submit to strangers that's bizarre you're saying submit like women submitting to men so men is other than

Andrew Wilsonjust at all you're literally talking about scpt topic submission by the way I wasn't even referencing you Nala you can be quiet for a minute while we're talking where we're having our conversation so anyway back to where I

Andrew Wilsonwas before I was so rudely interrupted by the former sex worker if you don't mind if we can just kind of dive into this I'd like I'd like to I'd like to ask you uh what's your definition of

Mandyfeminism is I would have the same definition I would say like anti-patriarchal Society yeah I think that the rejection of patriarchy is very

Andrew Wilsonkey to feminism and so in interpersonal Dynamics when I hear things like Mutual submission um I don't think that they're talking about what what a traditional

Andrew Wilsonrole of mutual submission would actually be right they're talking about the idea of 5050 we're equal with you know etc etc I think that that's a way in which

Mandyuh a feminist view modernity well I don't think it has being interchangeable widgets I don't believe that it has to be 50/50 if anything I mean this is

Mandygoing to be hella controversial but I don't really care I think women are supposed to kind of submit more just because I mean like think about it men

Mandyare the ones with the testosterone they're the ones that are physically stronger they are stronger so if anything like the woman should be the

Mandyperson to like submit more like yes I think that sometimes a man can be like yeah I'm wrong but I also think that you know I I don't know how to word this I'm

Andrew Wilsonabout putting this into words but do you guys understand what I'm saying yes does that make sense well I think I think not only is Christianity a patriarchal religion but I think that patriarchy is necessary for societies to flourish I

Mandyagree I don't I don't even think that societies can exist absent patriarchy well because I think that men and women both have their own roles they do yes yeah so but but let me ask you a question right this is a question that I

Andrew Wilsonalways ask every single panel and I usually get a pretty wide diverse set of answers right but let's let us assume for a moment that you and your husband

Andrew Wilsonyou're in decision-making mode M and he tells you something that you think is rational but it's not immoral just irrational you think it's irrational so he's asking you to do something perhaps this as something to do with the school

Andrew Wilsonyour children go to or something like this he wants to move their school for whatever reason or perhaps he wants to move for whatever reason he wants to do these things nothing which is immoral or against your religious convictions but

Andrew Wilsonyou just think is a little you know like perhaps IR rational from your view or you think it's a bad idea and he says I don't care we're going to do it anyway does he have the right to do that and is

Mandythat what submission means that even when he does do that you follow his lead well I mean I think that you should like kind of submit to that because if it's something that the man wants to do

Mandybecause it's like something he wants to pursue like a career um then yeah I think you should submit to that I think that you should let the man lead if especially if it's

Andrew Wilsonif it's for the better of the relationship and what does that mean though if he's making what you think is an irrational decision okay he just misses your thoughts on the irrational decision but it's not an immoral

Mandydecision okay well let me let me bring an example here so my grandfather was going to be on Major League Baseball but my grandmother said nope you're not

Mandydoing that and he listened to her and he could have been on a Major League baseball team I think that him listening to her is him being kind of a little [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonboy so like okay that's kind of funny well going around the table then right same question can I pop in pop in okay so

Natalielike for me I believe in the nuclear family and I believe my husband has authority over me just because I believe in gender roles like my goal my future job I always joke about is being a stay-at-home mom cuz that's my future goal so like working one day I'm like I

Nataliedon't know what I want to do cuz I want to be a mom one day but to find a boyfriend then be engaged then be married and all that stuff but for me like I believe that like if he believes our kids shouldn't go to that school I'm going to like talk with them about it

Natalieand just be like here's my opinion here's your opinion okay let's talk about it and be like oh I get your side even if it's irrational I'll probably like agree with him I'm just a very agreeable person in most things and all things but I'll probably like okay you

Nataliehave authority over me I believe in you if you think this is the best choice this is the best choice but if you're wrong you have to admit that you're wrong kind of thing why does he have to admit he's wrong just cuz like that was his choice and like if I let's say I

Nataliereally disagree with him on something he chose to do that and let's say it hurt our family somehow I just want to be like I'm sorry I did that I should have prayed more about it I should have talked to some advisers about it the pastor about it or with you more about

Natalieit but I do believe that he has authority over me and that I should submit to him just because I believe in gender roles in the household so how do you how do you know the metric of who's

Andrew Wilsonwrong I can so in this case you say if he's wrong you should admit it mhm let's say he says no I wasn't wrong I was right this was the right move and you're wrong well everyone has a right to their

Natalieown entitlement to their own opinion about right and wrong that's when I think we should go to adviser and ask them more about it or pray more about it makes the determination right if you're if you're submitted so as you start to whittle this down we start to kind of

Nataliedive into it right if he's wrong he should admit that he's wrong so he looks over at you and he says yeah but I'm not wrong you just think I am and I don't care is he in the wrong I'm saying the hypothetical situation let's say like he

Natalielet our family somehow we lost lost a bunch of money because he chose to invest in something or thought he thought was going to like Prevail and then he's like I'm so sorry I thought this was going to do really well then all of a sudden didn't that's what I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying not necessarily like well if he looks at you and he says yeah I made this investment it went wrong right but I was still on the right here I don't think he would say that to me yeah but if he did but if he if he

Nataliedid I'd probably be upset about it but I probably get over it cuz I'm very forgiving of people and I'd probably just be like okay whatever you think right is right cuz once again I believe in the gender roles and that if I'm marrying someone like he has I have to

Nataliebe submissive to him because I believe in those that nuclear family

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)okay I also agree I'm with Natalie on this one I have always wanted to be a stayhome mom that's my dream I literally told my parents that I'm going to work and then I'm going to find a husband and

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I'm going to keep working until I'm pregnant and as soon as that baby pops out I am at home I I'll do the cooking I'll do the cleaning I just want to be at home with my children serving my husband

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and I and I'm with Natalie I believe in what did you call it a nuclear family yes a nuclear family where the husband is the head of the household he does all the heavy lifting stuff I do the stuff

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)with the kids I do the caring I do the um the you know the laundry whatever and I and I agree with her I think that it's one of those things that I want to talk to him about like if I think that this

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)is irrational you know I'll give my opinion I'll ask like okay why are you making this decision like what is your rational what if he doesn't want to hear your opinion he says I don't want to hear your opinion then he'll be a bad

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)husband what type of God man what type of godly man will not want to hear the hus the opinion of his wife oh and you're nodding over there right uh well so what if he thinks for some reason that even hearing your opinion will

Andrew Wilsonsecond guess a decision he thinks he needs to make so he says you know what I don't want to hear your opinion on this and I'm not even going to explain myself what type of awful wife doesn't submit immediately to her husband's Authority and let him lead like he's supposed to

Andrew Wilsonso you're saying that he doesn't want to give his opinion to me he doesn't want to leader who's the [Music] leader why he would be the leader of the house why why do you make the expectation that leaders have to answer

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)their subordinates who's the leader and who's the follower here I would at least expect him to love his life that's right who's in charge then wait with your expectations who's in charge or you okay

Andrew Wilsonwhy would he marry me if he didn't love me why would he marry me if he didn't at least me out how is this a question of love because if you love someone you would want to hear them out wouldn't you why why why there's tons of times I don't want to hear out people that I

Andrew Wilsonlove who are saying stupid things I don't care about then why would I want to why would I want to hear out my husband that there have been people around who you love who say stupid ass [ __ ] that you don't want to hear because it's nonsense plenty of times in your

Andrew Wilsonlife you can cope and say no there's not Andrew there is right this idea that somebody doesn't love you because they might dismiss an opinion that you have doesn't mean that they don't love you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)who's supposed to be in charge here him or you he is the one who would ultimately make the decision but as long as I know his reasoning behind it that

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)is okay if this decision if this decision is involving our children together if it's involving our children together and that's what it's important

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)it's important it's because I the one taking care of his children I the one doing the job for him care of those children isn't it his decision how you take care of so you're saying that he would marry me to birth him his children

Andrew Wilsonthen he would divorce me because no I'm saying that what does submission mean what does it mean I will submit to him cuz he's my husband I will do things yeah what does that mean he just used the word to describe the word what does

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)submission itself actually mean submission would mean that I would do I would do what he wants I would ask I would follow what he you would obey he would

Andrew Wilsonobey yeah I guess yeah I will obey what he want well then why does the person that you are obeying need to answer to you for your obedience I don't get

Andrew Wilsonthat because I would care because I would care about what cares too he cares too but who's in charge here I thought that submission meant obey I didn't

Andrew Wilsonthink that submission meant talk guess you need to explain you need to you need to do all of this I thought that it meant obey I thought it meant

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)obedience would you want your wife to be a silent slave to you that's not silent slavery yes it is how if you okay

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)submission is I would listen to you I will do what you want but you have to you have to okay hey do you know do you know what the servant vassel treaty

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)between God and man is do you know what that is the servant to vassel treaty God gave stipulations to why the people of Egypt should listen to him because he

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)brought them out of the land of Egypt out of the house of slavery into freedom and that's why they follow his commands I follow my husband's commands because he'll listen to me or not I will listen

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)to him because he explains to me his reasoning and I will understand there is okay so why okay work here a treat right what happens if he explains his reasoning you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)disagree at least I would have known his reasoning at least I wouldn't have been silent what I could give my opinion and if he ultimately what happens if you disagree though Then I then I will then

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I will disagree but at least I will know his reasoning yeah so I don't understand if you disagree are you going to do it anyway it's you know knowledge is key I would like to know why maybe not

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)answering my question I would maybe maybe I would agree if if I know yeah I know I agree but he explains his reasoning and you disagree that's the question so what then what happens then

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I may okay I already answered your question I said I will still go through with it I would allow why you need to know the reasoning because I would like to it's curiosity sure partnership it's

Andrew Wilsona partnership so submission submission is I will obey even when I disagree but you still must tell me to say shate my curiosity that's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)submission I just would like to know why my husband would make a life I would like to know why my husband will make a life changing decision for my children and if he does not want to tell

Andrew Wilsonme then what type of husband what type of loving man will he be yeah but that's really at that point at that point I'm just a slave to him yeah this logic makes no sense and your logic makes no sense sir yeah I'm going to explain I'll

Andrew Wilsonexplain why your L makes no sense here makes zero sense so if you're saying to me I'm just a Mindless slave who must do what you want all you're saying in counter to this is is I'm a Mindless

Andrew Wilsonslave who still must do what you want but you have to satiate my curiosity so in other words I'm going to do what you say either way but as long as you satiate my curiosity as to the slavery

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)then it's okay how in the world does that make sense God uses the woman just as much as the man in a relationship you are twisting my words you're trying to make me look are you're trying to make

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)me look stupid okay what I'm saying you're doing that yourself I'm can can I explain can I explain be polite may I pleasee explain let's say just explain it to you I'll explain it to you again let's say

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)the school that my children are currently going to he just doesn't he doesn't like a teacher there for some odd reason he just doesn't like a teacher so he wants to send them to a school that's maybe 20 minutes away compared to this 5 minutes away one all

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)right that's not that's like it's kind of irrational you know you just don't like a teacher but he talks to me he says you know this teacher here at the school I don't think it's perfect it's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)good for my kids if I let my kids stay here then it's it just won't it will just harm them it won't be good for them I'll be still be like it's 20 minutes away it's kind of irrational don't you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)think he's like but yes at the end of the day I don't think this teacher is good for my kids and I'm I'll weigh I'll weigh it you know what you're right this teacher might not be good for our kids I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)understand and I'll take them and I'll take them to that 20 minutes 20 minute SCH what are you going to wait against what she just say say wait can you repeat that please you said I'm going to you're going to weigh

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)what well I'm going to say yeah I agree the maybe maybe this harmful teacher is more damaging than a 20-minute drive to

Andrew Wilsona school got it okay so what happens in this situation if you disagree with him and you think his reasoning is off are you going to do it

Andrew Wilsonanyway honestly I think that depends on the situation so when we get to the heart of it the heart of it it's not really about submission right it's not really about

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)obedience right if you think that he's being irrational right by whatever metric you decide that is right then you will not obey will you in your idea of

Andrew Wilsonsubmission you might as well just buy a sex doll and carry that around because for you for you for you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)in your idea of submission you're in charge no in my idea of submission in my idea of submission we are working together as a family consequences if

Andrew Wilsonwill support consquences for the man if you disagree and don't want to do it what are the consequences for him say it again what are the consequences for the man if you disagree and don't want to do

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)it what are the consequences for him yeah what happens yeah what happens do do you expect me to say he'll go sleep on the couch I want to know what yeah I want to know what the consequences are

Andrew Wilsonwe'll talk I I've talked about you and I have into the hypotheticals he's like I don't want to talk about it we're we're done with it I'm doing it this way that's okay then we don't then we don't

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)talk yeah so then what are the consequences give me an like what like what you have to tell me a situation if please tell me a situation I can't just make up a consequence consequence 50

Andrew Wilsonlashing like what do you want me to sayain it to you if there's no consequence then what is the point of you even having an objection so if there's no consequence you're going to

Andrew Wilsonobey anyway why is there even a need to exp Express the rationality to you to begin with that makes no sense to me if he has something that I don't agree with I'm going to let him know I'm a person

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)who will support you from the sidelines but if you do something wrong then I will let you know I will tell you I don't understand why that's so confusing to you no I'm going to EXP again right

Andrew Wilsonbecause all what all you keep doing is every time we Whittle this down you just reframe and change can I ask you how old you are I'll explain it again how old are you you don't want me to explain it

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)no I will I just want to know how old you are how old are you I'm 19 you were arguing with a 19-year-old I've been homeschooled my whole life I just got to college you're saying that you're too

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)stupid to argue with me sure okay but continue please no no no you're too stupid I am trying my best right now you you if you're too stupid to ARG 30 40y

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)Old Man list if you're AR I'll stop arguing with you that's fine please no continue I want to continue this argument because you're helping me grow and understand what I truly want so

Andrew Wilsonplease continue I I don't I don't see how if you're too stupid to have the argument oh that's what she just said not me why you get mad at me I asked you just call her stupid bro stupid you know no it's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)fine it's fine why would you get mad at me no please I I it's okay I yeah sure you could call me stupid but please let's continue I didn't call you stupid you called you stupid well you asked if I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)was stupid and I just said just to shut you just to shut you up I said yes so please continue why do you want me to keep talking if you just said you're too stupid to talk to she never said that I never said I'm too stupid to talk to you

Andrew Wilsonjust assume you just ask me am I in like Twilight Zone my here's the question are you too stupid to argue with answer yes that's the end of the AR that's the end the ARG if you tell me Andrew I'm too

Vistupid for you to argue with me why would I keep arguing with you he he's just bringing up the age thing because you said that he was arguing with a 19-year-old as if a 19-year-old can't argue with him no yeah I I I I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)understand I'm just saying I'm not as experienced in life I haven't been through these situations as you have I've never dated anybody so yes I have less experience you have you are asking me questions that I've never even

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)pondered in my life so you expecting me to come up expecting you're expecting me to come up these witty questions I'm trying my best so I just don't why no I'm I'm I'm begging please continue I I

Andrew Wilsonlove this conversation okay well I just I don't understand then if you're that upset because you say I'm 19 you're 40 right I'm not upset if you if you get if you get this upset by just pondering

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)questions you haven't pondered before uh then why have a discussion with anybody who's ever older than you about anything who said who said anybody is upset I'm just asking why you're attacking me for

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)something I have never I ever attack you on you are asking me questions over and over again I trying my best to for you that's attack to ask you questions what

Andrew Wilsonjust hold on just sometimes like your voice is very demeaning towards people oh my God my tone let your pearls harder like what do you I can't ask questions because oh your tone offends me like

Andrew Wilsonwhat the [ __ ] is this how can you people vote oh I'm 20 I can vote I got vote for who president is but if you ask me questions in a tone I can't take oh my God it's the end of the world get a

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] grip this is the real world I'm going to ask questions cuz I want the answers to the questions I'm asking sorry that my tone upsets you sweetheart let me go get you a nice big beaded

Andrew Wilsonnecklace of pearls and you can tug on them every time I use a tone you don't like oh thank you you're so sweet oh I love I can't believe then you ask

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)[Laughter] that we'll call him Blinky okay how about this instead of continuous continuously asking if I

Andrew Wilsonthink I'm too stupid let's just continue the conversation how's that yeah yeah so here's the so here's here's the question that I don't understand right I guess

Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm processing is if it is true that you're willing to submit to expers even if they make irrational decision then why is the necessity even there for

Andrew Wilsonthem to express the decision to begin with that's what I don't get that's what makes no sense to me because if he expresses it and you disagree with it but you're going to do it anyway then then why does he ever need to express it

Andrew Wilsonto begin with that's just like that's bizarre because I'm his wife and I'm not a slave there's a difference but I but I don't understand then because then the threshold breaker for what would make

Andrew Wilsonyou a slave is not the task he wants you to do but rather the fact that he won't tell you why and that I don't understand either right so if he's like he's like

Andrew Wilsonhe like walks in he's like clean all this [ __ ] up and you're like why and he goes well because I want it cleaned up well then he clean it up and you're not a slave but if he walks in and says clean all this [ __ ] up and you say why

Andrew Wilsonand he's like don't [ __ ] worry about it then you are a slave it's like that's that makes no you see how that sounds right when it's said out loud you you do understand that most things are situational right there's just there's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)so many different like situations that these what your example it could be different in and your example could work in so I think it's very all situational so that's why I

Andrew Wilsonchose the one with my school because that's like it kind of like it's what I would understand yeah can I ask you something yeah but I don't see I don't see still how if this is submission and the idea behind submission is you're

Andrew Wilsongoing to do it anyway regardless of even if you agree with his reasoning behind it then why why should he ever give his reasoning because if he never does you do it anyway so Andrew do

Nala Rayyou not do you not speak to your wife about like big decisions in your life or you you just make the decisions and not care what she thinks I talk to her about all sorts of things and then there's all sorts of things that I make they're big decisions I don't talk about well do you care about her opinion in the matter or

Andrew Wilsondo you just talk to vent sometimes sometimes I really care about her opinion sometimes I don't give a [ __ ] at all okay well no no I don't think she's saying that the male has to respect every opinion she has that's my choice what I'm saying is that that's my choice

Andrew WilsonI get to make that decision that's what I'm saying that you care about what she thinks and says she's your wife on on which topics I want her advice on and which ones I don't want her advice on

Andrew Wilsonyeah what type of topics do you not ask her opinion on oh all sorts of things all sorts of political topics I don't give a [ __ ] about her opinion on there's all there's like there's all sorts of to then there's all sorts of topics I

Andrew Wilsonreally care about her opinion on right want advice on them but what I'm saying is that that would be my choice to make that determination not her choice to make that determination see I think you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and I have two different ideas on submission I come from I agree I I agree I that's where we can agree I come from a family my mom and dad whenever they make need to make a big decision they talk together about everything the only

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)big decision my dad has never told my mom about was buying her like a a I don't I don't remember how much it was I think it was like a $2,000 wiing for her birthday it's not even that much but it was good enough submission with

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)permission that that was that was like something submission with permission and so there's just a lot of things that my mom and dad they would always talk to each other about big decisions

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)especially when it includes my brother and I so for me communication is always a big thing and I think that I would submit to my husband on most things I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)think on some things that as you're saying where it's very very irrational like he want want to spend two M no not 2 million like $2,000 gambling I would say no way in hell are you doing that

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)because you're putting our family monetary value the conversation there if they're gambling is that that's against your religion okay you wanted to make 2000 let's say something let's say something that's not against the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)religion let's say he wants to go let's say he wants to go on a on a family trip to somewhere that's way beyond our

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)financial uh area situ a Sit financial situation I might say reconsider go someplace else go some place that's

Andrew Wilsonnicer great so here's the scenario you say let's reconsider this and he says no I'm not going to reconsider it we're going on the [ __ ] vacation baby and I

Andrew Wilsondon't want to hear another thing about it ever again for the rest of my life you say what if he's doing okay there's two

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)situations that can happen if he's doing this at the birthday gift and it's like not that and and it's not that bad okay but if it's just why are you spending so

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)much money for no reason at all I'm just saying go have fun I'll stay back it'll be half the cost bu the house that submission then how's that subm he says no get in the car we're going you're

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)coming with me we're going baby we're going on this trip if it is if it is putting our family's Financial U money at risk then he must

Andrew Wilsonmust be drunk well then that's but whose choice is it to for the for the family finances whose decisions are these ultimately they can't be yours if he's

Andrew Wilsonthe head it makes no sense you see what I'm saying it's I understand I understand what saying I will submit to you I will submit to you as long as you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)are doing what I think I I want you to do that's that's that that's what you know what I understand I understand what you're saying understand what you're trying what you're what you you what you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)understand me saying but I think it just comes down that you and I you and I just have really different ideas on submission and I think you also see this from a man's point of view where I see

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)this from a woman's point of view as what I want to do for my husband and you're thinking of what you want your wife to do for you so I think is there's two very different views no I'm not talking about either of those things I'm

Andrew Wilsonjust talking about submission and what it means submission well I have I sub super duper it's super duper hard I'm just showing you a logical Circle okay so that you understand the logical

Andrew WilsonCircle so here's submission I obey my husband you agree with me that's submission yeah I obey my husband okay so your husband gives you no immoral task or nothing against your religion no task that is immoral nothing which is

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)against your religion okay do you obey that task if it is if it is not immoral and not against my religion then sure okay then sure so he says baby we're

Andrew Wilsongoing on those two hang just let me finish okay okay I'm sorry I'm sorry go ahead okay so great so now we're halfway through the circle yes as long as it's not immoral it's not evil it's not

Andrew Wilsonagainst my religion I'm going to do it right I'm going to obey so he comes to you with a task which you think is irrational right he says Hey Okay I need

Andrew Wilsonwe're going on this family trip to the [ __ ] keys and I'm emptying out of our savings and you're like that's a terrible idea he says I don't give a [ __ ] I really don't want to hear your opinion on it we're going he's done

Andrew Wilsonnothing immoral nothing against your religion so help me so help me Circle back to Circle back to how you're going to obey right you're going to obey mhm I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)see where you're going does that make sense it does make sense but when you get to that third stage he checked two out of three check marks I just don't think that it's very wise and if he

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)really wants to go on that trip bring one of your boys bring one of your friends you you I'll turn it back over to Brian mostly cuz I got to go take a leak but anyway I appreciate the conversation

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)have a good leak and good Le have a good leak think of us while you or don't

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Visomething a little bow bow bow bch spee spee spee speech so beautiful that's a Bowser for my husband

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)oh guys guys guys one at A T um you had something I think she has just it cut you off a bit you said this is the most difficult conversation of your life or was that yes this probably was the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)most cuz I've never had somebody well I guess I guess I could say attack attack my values before and I've never had to consider in depth this

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)this like that type of value cuz in my in my experience submission is like you know I will follow what you say I will I will help you along the way I will help you from the sidelines I will I will

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)help you with my children I will help you with um the household works this and that I will submit to you I would I would I will be the peg underneath you I'll be your foundation to help you stay

Brian Atlasup and I've never had someone come up with with this idea that okay what happens if your husband's a big [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah I wouldn't marry him you know like before I have you before I

Brian Atlashave you come in on this before I have you come in on this here Play that video go to the video tab uh related to the being submissive leading thing go ahead and play

Brian Atlasit I know what you're going to play one sec guys we're getting a pulled up all right guys hold

Video clipson bro it's here you got to get the audio on I love the office I got away with everything under the last boss and it wasn't good for me at all so I want

Video clipsguidance I want leadership but don't just like boss me around you know like Lead Me lead me when I'm in the mood

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)to okay the fact you knew that oh see yeah you get it no that's I love that I love that oh God how do I how do I get up to walk out

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and take a leak and then instantly the second I go out to do that you say I attacked you how did I attack you oh my goodness okay you know what you know what my God listen listen you it may not

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)to you it may not seem like you attacked me but your tone it felt like you were attacking me oh my

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)God I think she's she that was great that was great oh my God you felt like it's just that it's just that it's you know when I sayate something and it

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)might not satisfy what you were wanting to hear and you keep repeating the same question over and over again and I have to keep finding a way to try to try to you know make sense of what I'm trying

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)to say in a way that you would understand or or a way that you might you might be able to work with and you keep trying to like get at me and you know ask me for more it feels like attacking because I've never had a

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)conversation like that so actually I I very much appreciate it I think it was very you know eye opening I learned a lot can you can you look at it from my end so try to imagine it from my end

Andrew Wilsonyeah I say Excuse Me Miss what is the sky and you say the ground is brown and I go okay yeah I know but the sky though up there the sky you see you know what the sky is right you go yeah I know what the sky is and I say point to the sky

Andrew Wilsonand you point up and I go yeah what color is that you go well the ground is brown right can you imagine can you imagine hang on can you imagine from my angle how absolutely frustrating it is when you say you're asking me the same

Andrew Wilsonquestion over and over and I say well sure because you won't answer the question I ask you you answer a question I don't ask you so yeah yes of course I have to constantly repeat what I said no I understand but the thing is that I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)answered your question but you just didn't you you were conf you were saying like Okay but why would you need to know if you're just going to submit anyway you asked me that over and over again and I and I'll be honest I didn't know the answer so I was trying to make sense

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)of it so when every time I answered you would just repeat the same question saying oh but I don't understand how can what is the difference between you being a slave and this and that so that's why

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I'm not saying could have said Andrew you could have said Andrew I don't know and that would have been the end of it okay and I and and I should have said that said I don't know and I would have been like oh all right okay then I and

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and I and I admit I should have said I'm I don't I'm not the best I'm not the most knowledgeable in that I need some time to think about that but at the same time when you when you keep when you keep asking me I feel like I I should I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)should give an answer and so I tried to and it wasn't my best answer I don't know is a good answer I know I know but in the moment in moment say in the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)moment it felt like I had to give an answer to you and so I tried to all right I try I tried my best okay I hope you are

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JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)their definition of submission is actually her wanting to be in charge and dominant she doesn't she never said that I never said that I wanted to ask you something actually um because the way that I think

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)of it is so you you kept mentioning that you know that would make you a slave do you think that children are slaves to their parents no absolutely because you know in the household that I grew up with my parents always gave me like a

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)reason as to why we're doing something go to bed at this time you want enough sleep eat these vegetables you want to be healthy do your homework you want to be educated I always had a reason as to why I was doing things for my parents did your parents ever have like give you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)a command or tell you to do something and they did not give you an explanation or they told you or like it like maybe the explanation just so for example like there are plenty of times where I give my children commands and they're either not old enough to understand my

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)explanation Mommy why can't I go spend the night at this person's house you know I don't want to have to go into detail as to why I don't think that that is safe for them it's not their place to have to have to have me explain that to

Brian Atlasthem even um you know cuz I don't think that those are details that I are well I mean isn't uh Because I Said So sufficient yes well I mean there are a

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)lot of times where I say that you know you know you you know go clean your room well I don't want to clean my room sucks for you you need to go and do that you know so it's like um you know I don't

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)see my children as as slaves and in the hierarchy of of a home um it's kind of similar with husband to wife not that I'm his child or that he needs to you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)know um uh um you know treat me as lesser but understand that in the hierarchy if he needs something from me or he has something that he wants our family to do that it's not incumbent

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)upon him to necessarily give an explanation especially if it's like like for example if uh somebody were to break into the house in the middle of the night I don't want to have to sit there and explain to my child like you need to

Andrew Wilsonbe quiet you need to be quiet you need to go in here well Mommy why why do I want to expl you're going to get up hang on hang on should the husband have to explain to his wife yes because the wife could then call 9911 you know be a helper in that situation say when he

Andrew Wilsoncould just say sh I'm not giving you any reasoning behind this right but it's important you be quiet right now and this is why go why should I be quiet should I be quiet because now you don't talk to me like that boom boom boom

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)criminal takes you both and this is why fantastic this is why I said everything is situational and all the cases you gave to me I understand 100% And I would do the same I and I would never see my

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)children as slaves in fact like yeah everything explanation I'm your parent I'm your mother you're going to do what I say you know you were going to do what I say you you might not like it I don't have to give you an

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)explanation everything you said I've agreed I agree with that's why I'm saying everything is very situational when would would you allow your husband to spend your entire family saving to go

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)on a trip to Hawaii it's it's if my husband is leading my family I'm going to trust that whatever decision that he is going to make first of all he's the bread winner that's his money that's his

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)money that he's spending so if he feels that it's um that it's something that he wants to do this is something that my husband does sometimes sometimes he will make a purchase he doesn't have to ask me to to spend his money money that he

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)earned like I've never you know he doesn't have to ask me I will ask him what if it was your money um yeah my money is his money like our it's our money so now so he's going

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)to ultimately decide on that right yes even if yours yes that's submission but she just described that's actual submission and see there's there's a lot of things there's a lot of things that

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)she that's basically everything she said I've agreed on the only thing I I would disagree is that I you know going on a vacation to Honolulu I don't know I've

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)never been on there for with our whole our whole family saving I just don't see that I I don't understand like okay you say that you trust him that he'll have a

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)plan but how can he plan to get back the money that that we have spent years cultivating well that's again like it's so again for in my situation my husband is the bread winner he is the one who

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)brings in the money in in my eyes that's his money I mean it's our money is for for our family um first of all I again I trust my husband because I trust that he would not put us in a financial

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)situation that was going to bankrupt us I'm I'm assuming that he's not taking out a second mortgage on our home to take us to Hawaii um but even if he did um and what if well well let me ask you this real quick

Andrew Wilsonwhat if and the only reason I don't mean to cut you off but I know we have time constraints because Brian wants to move it on yes what if uh can we I mean can we all agree on this that while women will often say

Andrew Wilsonwell I just want an explanation of what's going on that that's not really what's going on what's going on is they want a justification that they can argue against and sometimes a 15minute

Andrew Wilsonjustification will turn into a five day long drag out fight because they don't want you to do X thing and that this is very common with couples happens all the

Andrew Wilsontime even including with Christian couples non-Christian couples that women will often say I just want a quick justification which then turns into a grind long argument which can be easily avoided with the idea of what is what

Andrew Wilsonshe's talking about which is actual submission your jobs to lead I have to have faith that you're leading me correctly even if I can't see the ends that is what Biblical submission means right which is kind of what I think he's

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)been trying to point out to you it's not that it's not that um you know I don't think that he's trying to attack you at all just to point out kind of the flaws in the logic there you know it's like you can't say that you want to submit

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)but then don't submit like you there are going to be situations where there is no explanation needed you have to just trust trust the man that you chose trust the man that if he's following trust chose for me Christian if he's following Christian ethics if he's following the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)Christian faith that he is going to lead your family down a path that's not going to destroy you especially when it comes to something as simple as you know what he spends money on no you and I completely agree and honestly Andrew if

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)you had if you had explained it in a gentle tone like she had I would have it would have been a lot better but anyway what I wanted what I wanted to say was let me ask you let me ask you

Andrew Wilsonthis is humility is humility one-sided humility one-sided yeah is it one-sided no it's humility only one does only one of us need to come come to a conversation humble say wait I'm sorry

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)can you say that again does only one of us need to come to a conversation humble or do both of us need to come to a conv I both of us has to have to come to a conversation

Andrew Wilsonhumble what's that both of us both of us okay where was the humility on your side as you demand the humility on mine because you were you had no humility for

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)me and I tried and and I will admit you you did push my buttons and I got a little out of control but see with her she explain she

Andrew Wilsonmy fault because if I had to delivered it in a way that you had preferred then it would have been okay cuz you're the leader right you're the you're the

Andrew Wilsonleader you and I've never said said what you wanted everything would have been okay yeah but you're not her husband I want what about what I want I

Andrew Wilsonwant you to say you're right Andrew because you have Flawless logic so I'm going to just say you're right because not already tell you in instead I have

Nala Rayto capitulate to you right everything for you but it's just the opposite though when you argue with someone you just want them to agree with you but she's just asking for you to speak in a different tone and help explain it

TTS/Donationsbetter $200 TBH she's holding up solidly for a 19yearold cudos also tone matters if you want to actually convince someone

TTS/Donationsit makes a person more likely to be open-minded and listen to you versus be defensive no let me tell the truth the thing is Andrew is that the truth is is that when I the

Andrew Wilsontruth is is that when I speak and get into an argument with somebody it forces them to defend their position and if they can't defend their position properly they end up in in a logical trap and make themselves look stupid

Andrew Wilsonthis in turn for the thousands of people viewing it go oh [ __ ] I'm not going to ever be in that position and do that dumbass thing ever so yeah I agree that tone matters and that what you should do

Nala Rayis always take in a debate a tone which is a debate tone because you're having a debate that's what you're doing how is this a debate though she's just trying to have a conversation based on the little knowledge that she actually has but if you would what is a debate let's

Nala Raystart with that it's called verbal combat let's let's say this let's start with what a debate is n what is it I'd say more of like a heated discussion based off of two different viewpoints

Andrew Wilsonwhy does it have to be heated based two we had two views and we entered into a heated discussion what else you call would you say that like you encouraged the heated and didn't come with humility

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)because you called her stupid I didn't call her stupid you call me stupid and I agreed no I didn't call you stupid yes you did bro and you know what I'm admitting I'm admitting I am admitting

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)that I agreed I said okay I'm not intelligent enough for this conversation right here but I'm trying my best I never called you stupid I actually you as you as you asked me are you st are

Andrew Wilsonyou too stupid to have this conversation this is what that's what you asked me you said how old are you and gave an age discrepancy he said you're only 19 and I'm 40 and so therefore you don't have

Andrew Wilsonas much experience as me and I said you're I don't have I I hang on so I ask you a question are you saying you're too stupid to have this conversation you said yes I said okay well then I'm not going to have the conversation anymore

Nala Raythat's what you think I said there there's no point that is not calling you stupid no you said you're too stupid to have this conversation with asking it as

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)a questioning it as a question make it up mindre Andrew yes I agree you posed as a question and I agreed but that doesn't take away from the fact that I still wanted to have the conversation

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and you couldn't get off the idea that I consider myself stupid I still wanted to have the conversation despite knowing that this is not something that I would quote unquote win please let me finish you you would stop me every time I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)interrup you so please stop when I when you interrupt me so the problem I have is that I have an idea of submission that I cultivated throughout my life

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)throughout looks of my parents throughout Church throughout um classes and religious studies this is my idea of submission that I cultivated and that I'm going to spend more time in my life

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)pondering before I have a husband and you have your idea of submission that you are trying to force onto me and you may convince me but in this instance

Andrew Wilsonright now you have not convinced me I am staying strong you not here to convince you I'm here to convince thousands of people watch later also on top of that just so that you understand I want you

Andrew Wilsonto thank again not just from your own view but from mine a person I ask a person are you saying that you're not intelligent enough or you're too stupid to have a conversation with me and they say yes why would I continue to have

Andrew Wilsonconverse with them why would I do that why why would you talk to somebody who literally tells you they're not smart enough to talk to you why would you keep talking to them can you exp why did you

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)keep talking to me then you demanded it you but you Contin I was sub so you submitted to

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)her this is amazing no okay listen I am I very glad we had the conversation despite despite what differences we may have right now I'm very glad we had the conversation

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)I'm very glad you you told me a little bit about your own absolutely cuz you know I'm I'm telling you everybody says like so many people have done things by the time they're 19 I have not I'm barely starting my life's journey so I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)have no experience I have no knowledge and you guys are teaching me a lot of things I am I have no dating experience at ever so you guys are teaching me a lot of things so it's very eye opening

TTS/Donationswe do have a couple chats coming in here we have uh grao taged donated $200 thank you emotions are running High while I would side with Andrew justy wins some

TTS/Donationspoints for knowing she's at a disadvantage standing her ground not getting intimidated and not storming off in tears there you go uh graffo thing for

Brian Atlasthe TTS I suppose uh credit to you for not rage that happens a lot it does it does happen a lot I've seen it happen yeah oh

Brian Atlasyeah my first podcast remember Andrew has sent some of the most cold-hearted feminists into the abyss that's I uh good good for you for having the back

Brian Atlasand forth with him we have L paladins here husband wants to vacation with his wife while they are young and Alive maybe because he secretly needs to tell her he has cancer and is dying equals

Brian Atlashusband equals [ __ ] sasshole sasshole sasshole love paladins I do appreciate your uh message there uh I did want to uh Play One video

Brian Atlascuz it's related to being submissive uh we'll do the bow video if you can pull that up real quick all right this is my ex-girlfriend um like really yeah yeah this is actually my

Brian Atlasex-girlfriend I filmed this uh like a couple months ago or something oh for sure all right go ahead play it boom huge bow so I have an expectation that my girlfriend bows to

Brian Atlasme when I get home from the podcast this was after a long day shooting you know getting the laundry all done and look at that dinner ready dinner ready long day

Brian Atlasafter work just got my um beer ready noodles ready meat ready I scolded her about those Tomatoes that's just gross

Brian Atlasyou know who does that with tomatoes and then get ready to play it one more time play one more time he love that bow boom huge bow did you see bow so okay going

Brian Atlasaround the table would you bow to your boyfriend's SL husband SL first a I know honestly yes because like I love Japanese culture and that is a big part of Japanese

Brian Atlasculture okay what about you no no you wouldn't no you wouldn't no oh okay of course I would perfect man wa I have a

Vifollow up on this okay what about you uh v v v i got it this time you almost got it halfway you're get it you like Steve VI without

Vithe a yeah yes um yes but um like it would have to be like the the intention behind it

Viwouldn't be like to embarrass me like not embarrassing respect yeah respect okay yes would you hear the bow for yeah and I'll take his

Nala Raycoat as well okay okay I'm with Nala's explanation cuz in Japanese Japanese culture oh yeah you're a we

Brian Atlaswhat the [ __ ] oh my God disrespect the hell um wait can uh what other Japanese things can you do

Nala RayNala and then like from Ka

Nala Raylike I want to be a voice actor so bad that was

Natalieuh would you batt for boyfriend or husband I didn't know cuz it's not part of my culture but I'd probably hug him cuz I love hugs physical touch girl

Brian Atlasuh oh what if okay it's not part of your culture but it's part of his then I probably would disrespect him and his culture you would disrespect him no to

Brian Atlasrespect him oh you would do yeah yeah not to disrespect him no no yes was that you yes I would okay and then who said

Norano was it just you this whole video you don't like it no I'm not going to be like this well it's not going to be like this why is that just like being this is like being a slave to your husband not

Noraeven serving the food Ser of course serving the food making food for your man that's nice's laundry because he's maybe not experienc doing laundry but like we are a team like I don't I'm not

Brian Atlassubmit like I will not submit to a man that's just would you do it for the perfect man he's like is there a perfect man out

Norathere nobody's how about close to perfect close to perfect 99.9 if he bows first no he doesn't bow first no no no

Brian Atlasso you wouldn't do it for like the most handsome billionaire treats you perfectly no perfect like near perfect why no so you wouldn't bow but what's

Norayour why why the whole okay let me ask you some follow-up questions uh you you're not a virgin right no do you engage in oral copulation copy okay that to me can we

Brian Atlastranslate get the German translator blow jobs how do you English how to say blow

Norajob deserves it oh my God Japanese culture complete different thing culture every cult completely different Japan and I bow in front of

Norapeople just out of respect just out of coming into an household of them they serving me food I'm like thank you like this is really nice but it has like I don't yeah that's what he wants that's

Noraall he wants is just a bow just a respectful bow not a slave bow like respectful bow both of us at the same

Mandytime yeah no no no no just you just why he walks in the door and you bow to him because he wants it but that's so weird I don't understand fine is like giving him a kiss like giving him a kiss when

Mandyhe comes home like I feel like that's like the same thing yes it is so I don't I don't think it's any different than like bowing to him wait kiss is not the same thing so okay kiss is like giving

Brian Atlashim giving him like so much so you wouldn't do it for the near-perfect guy no my face is about to explode what what would you

Norado for the near-perfect guy in what way like what can you compare to Bow kiss a kiss yeah that's

Brian Atlaswhat like what I said hug a nice oh I'm I'm fairly confident I'm fairly confident you would do far more than just that but like for example um how long do you typically like to wait

Brian Atlasbefore having sex like first date second date third date seven dates second date seven dates in seven seven like seven seven stop the wait earlier hold on

Noraearlier in the conversation okay you said that you [ __ ] like three dudes in one day or something okay that was like my whole phas that was like a phase where I just came here to this country freshly new student everyone was parting

Brian AtlasI was like adjusting to the culture I was like okay what's going on and then I did that mhmh so just to be clear uh this gets into another topic that comes up

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