NALA RETURNS?! Nala's Husband CRASHES Show?! Single Mom Wants $5M/YEAR Man?! | Dating Talk #210

Date: 2024-11-04

Duration: 8h 44m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_01TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Nora(guest)

SPEAKER_04JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Natalie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Production(audience)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Nala Ray(guest)

SPEAKER_09Video clips(audience)

SPEAKER_10Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Jordan (Nala's husband)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Rachel (Andrew's wife)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Alanis(guest)

SPEAKER_14Vi(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteNala Ray introduces herself as married, with a clothing line and race car giveaways — returning guest from ~1 year prior

“hi I'm Nala Ray I'm 26 um I live in South Carolina with my husband and we started a clothing line company called be the change and we do race car giveaways”

QuoteAlanis drops bombshell: her bare minimum income requirement for a man is $5 million per year

“yeah like 5 mil a year is a basic minimum”

ControversyAndrew Wilson methodically dismantles Alanis's $5M/year demand by pointing out she's an overweight single mom living with parents who doesn't know the rules of her own trust

“overweight single mom who lives with her parents wants man who makes $5 million a year to marry her under a prenuptual agreement that he doesn't have access to the wealth in a trust that she doesn't know the rules of”

QuoteMandy reveals she was a self-described sex addict from ages 16-18, sleeping with up to 7 different people per week at peak

“I would say 16 to 18 right before I met my boyfriend”

QuoteMandy reveals her body count is 50-60 maximum

“probably 50 to 60 Max”

QuoteNala reveals her OnlyFans 'cheating kink' persona was entirely clickbait to go viral and make money — she was completely single during that time

“everything I've said on podcast is complete clickbait I did it to go viral to then make money and so many people believed it and it worked”

ControversyAndrew Wilson vs Nala Ray: intense confrontation about her calling him demonic vs. calling her a 'satanic prostitute', the nature of her Christianity, whether her conversion is genuine or a grift, and Christian theology

“you were a lying deceiving prostitute and you're like Andrew why weren't you just nice like what are you talking about”

QuoteNala says she sold everything — her house, Lamborghini, designer goods — after her Christian conversion, and now drives a Jeep in South Carolina

“I sold everything I sold my house I sold my car I sold all the designer things I had”

QuoteAndrew reads First Timothy 2:12 in Darth Vader voice: 'I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man, she must be silent'

“I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over man she must be silent boom roasted”

QuoteBrian reads his 'Psalm of seven sons' — reads Psalm 127 to justify wanting 7 sons

“Psalm 1274 like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in a man's youth”

ControversyAndrew vs JY (19yo): intense submission debate where Andrew tries to show the logical contradiction in partial submission (you obey anyway so why require explanation?). JY holds her ground; Andrew asks if she's 'too stupid' to argue (she said yes to shut him up).

“are you too stupid to argue with answer yes that's the end of the argument”

OtherBrian plays clip of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him when he comes home from work as an example of submission; panel debates whether they would bow to their husband

“I have an expectation that my girlfriend bows to me when I get home from the podcast”

QuoteRachel (Andrew's wife) joins the show remotely and gives nuanced defense of biblical submission based on trust-building over time, explaining why men sometimes can't explain decisions and why women need to trust their husbands

“sometimes men just have to be look this is what we're doing just trust me I'll handle it”

OtherJordan (Nala's 6'4" military vet husband) arrives on set to surprise Nala. Brian and Nala had been teasing his appearance all show.

“Jordan arrives on set. 6'4", Pacific Islander/African-American mix, military vet, TikTok content creator.”

ControversyAndrew immediately challenges Jordan about marrying an ex-OnlyFans creator and quizzes him on the Trinity. Jordan defends Nala and his faith calmly.

“I was just wondering what kind of guy you know marries a prostitute”

QuoteJordan explains how he met Nala: she came into his TikTok Live, threw him a gift; he eventually encouraged her faith journey not with emotional ties but through prayer

“we were literally just friends for like the majority of our relationship until we got married”

QuoteJordan reveals Nala was making $300k/month on OnlyFans when she gave it all up for God

“she was making 300K a month and she didn't even want that because at the end you know none of that's going to matter”

QuoteNora reveals her lower-back 'not yours' tattoo — got it to assert ownership of herself during a phase when men would say 'you're mine'

“it's a heart and in the heart it says not yours”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Panel introduces themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian and Andrew introduce themselves. Relationship status round covers everyone from married Nala to perpetually single JY.

Standards & Pickiness in Dating

Discussion of what each panelist looks for in a partner: physical, personality, financial. Nora wants $500k+ minimum. Alanis controversially claims she wants a man making $5 million/year, sparking extended debate about realism vs. aspirations.

Alanis's $5M/Year Man Debate

Extended multi-hour debate about Alanis wanting a man who earns $5M/year. Andrew Wilson challenges the logic given she lives with parents, makes $22/hr, and has a trust fund she doesn't understand. Rachel (Andrew's wife) also weighs in remotely. Alanis gradually walks back to $500k-$1M by end.

Mandy's Sex Addiction Story

Mandy discusses her sex addiction from ages 16-18. Was on Grindr after getting banned from other apps for lying about age. Slept with up to 7 different people per week; maximum 3 in one day. Body count 50-60 max. Met current boyfriend on Grindr day she stopped. Boyfriend has 18-year age gap.

Nala's OnlyFans Past & Christian Conversion

Nala explains her OnlyFans persona was entirely clickbait including the 'cheating kink' content. She talks about her Christian conversion, selling her Lamborghini and designer goods, paying $300k+ in IRS taxes. Andrew Wilson confronts her repeatedly about the authenticity of her conversion.

Andrew vs Nala: Theology & Christianity Debate

Extended debate about Nala's Christian conversion, the nature of the Trinity (Andrew accuses her of historical heresy/Nestorianism for saying 'three parts' vs 'three persons'), whether she's authentically Christian, biblical submission, and whether converts can correct theology. Rachel (Andrew's wife) joins remotely to clarify submission. Nala's husband Jordan later defends her.

Body Count Discussion

Brian does a body count round: Nala (0/born-again), Nora (13, 3 in a day at her peak), Mandy (50-60 max, former sex addict, 3 in a day max), Vi (~8), JY (0/virgin), Alanis (didn't say), Natalie (0/virgin), Jessica (didn't say clearly).

Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)

Brian asks panel to rate their looks 1-10 (scale: 1=butt ugly, 7=pretty, 10=perfect). Alanis rates herself 10 (self-confidence). Natalie 8. Mandy 5-6. Vi 5. JY 8. Nora says all women are 10s. Brian gives his philosophy on inaccurate self-assessment leading to unrealistic partner standards. Blind vote by panel had results not disclosed on-air.

Abortion & Political Views

Brief segment on pro-life/pro-choice views. JY pro-life, Natalie pro-life, Alanis pro-choice (with nuance — kept her baby during difficult circumstances), Jessica pro-life, Mandy pro-choice. Brian reveals he would date 19-20yo Victoria's Secret model as a bit. Also: voting round — Nala voted Trump, Alanis voted Trump (surprise).

Submission & Biblical Gender Roles Debate

Andrew Wilson debates submission with JY (19), Jessica, Nala, and others. Andrew argues submission means full obedience even without explanation; women push back saying it requires communication and love. Andrew tries to show the logical contradiction in partial submission. JY admits she's 19 and inexperienced but holds ground. Jessica gives most traditionalist view. Rachel (Andrew's wife) calls in remotely and gives nuanced defense of submission based on trust-building over marriage.

Are These Women Feminists?

Andrew claims all the women except Jessica sound like feminists based on his charitable definition (movement toward egalitarianism, rejection of patriarchy). Panel pushes back. Mandy says women should submit more due to physical strength difference. Jessica admits she changed from feminist to conservative.

Why Brian Won't Get Married

Brian explains he doesn't believe in marriage because divorce is a massive financial loss for men. Panel — especially Natalie and Vi — push back and try to convince him to marry. Brief discussion on women doing 'wifey things' in relationships vs. marriage.

Nala's Husband Jordan Appears

Jordan (Nala's 6'4" military vet husband) comes on set near the end of the show. Brian and Andrew had teased this earlier. Jordan discusses how he met Nala on TikTok Live, prayed for her, encouraged her faith journey. Andrew immediately challenges him about marrying an ex-OnlyFans creator and quizzes him on Trinity. Jordan defends both Nala and his faith.

Roast Session & Final Notes

Brian goes through panelists' pre-submitted notes: Vi's Islam conversion, Natalie's date stories and ideal man requirements (thick/gym guy), Nora's 'not yours' lower-back tattoo, Alanis's emotionally abusive relationship with ex 'Pablo' and possible MS13 connection. TTS donation roast session follows. Show ends after ~8h45m.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonshe wasn't a 10 yeah is she one physically physically no okay and so uh based on this metric do you think that

Andrew Wilsonthere's delusion no no I really don't no no do you think that people's business phal assessment of themselves is uh generally non-

Nala Raydelusional non- delusional no sometimes I do think it is delusional because some people come out with come at it with a a big pride in their heart like an ego that they think that they're they are the way they are but from what I'm hearing from her it's coming out of a

Nala Rayplace of humility like she's built herself up to where she is now and that's why she feels the way she is you're a a humble [Music] [Laughter]

AlanisT man okay I think like I've said before I know that like as like I think what you mean delusional because like yeah I know like I don't look the prettiest now and I'm not the prettiest in your eyes

Alanisand I know that I have to like work on my physical feature about my weight and I've Reed it like so many times where I said I'm on a weight lost journey I am losing weight I know cuz I care about my

Alanishealth I eat health I eat good I like eat healthy and I drink a lot of water and stuff like that so I mean I think my 10 is because I know I'm a 10 and I know

AlanisI can physically get better and that's from my view to myself because I think that's what's more important and I know and I've been saying that I am honestly

Alanislike I see that guys could think I'm a two or a one or a zero and I don't care yeah and I understand that they say oh you're two okay I'm not your cup of tea Andrew I'm curious to see what you think about yourself yeah that's oh I'm a 10

Nala Rayfor sure he's a 10 did I did I real yeah if all these [ __ ] delusional broads could be t i could be a 10 to see that's the thing why I don't understand why you Proclaim Christ cuz in no way shape or form would

Andrew WilsonGod talk like this sorry I don't lie sorry I won't Li I'm not asking you to be delusional I'm asking you sorry I won't lie to Fe delusion Nala I'm sorry that that upsets you Nala that you expect me to lie I never once asked you

Andrew Wilsonto lie that's out of your mouth not mine wait Andrew what well then well then what is it what is it that I should do should I lie to people to make them feel better no and again I never said that

Nala Raywhat am I say like for me in the Bible it even talks about perverse speech and that is a sin so you

Andrew Wilsoncussing and slandering people you called me a [ __ ] did he not you are prostitute I think he he also said a [ __ ] [ __ ]

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to take uh correction from a [ __ ] yes that's so my thing is too you want to talk about lying and a [ __ ] for 6 months you were a [ __ ] 6 months ago now you're going to correct me what

Andrew Wilsonthe Bible says mons [ __ ] real eight months ago give [ __ ] I'm not going to take correction 6 months ago that's insane I love that you're proving your character right now wait Andrew Andrew is I want

Andrew Wilsonevery Christian to hear I am not going to take correction from someone that denies the Divinity of Christ it was a hor 6 months ago never did that and I was exact invasion of the church that I'm talking about the invasion of what

Nala Rayyour delusional mindly is an expert Minister it's like it's you don't know anything about your faith you know nothing about absolutely do I know that I'm on fire for Christ because abely

Nala Raycorre people as a former prostitute 6 months ago it's ridiculous oh you know what's funny Paul killed people in the Bible and absolutely wrote letters to

Andrew Wilsonchurches about what they did uhhuh hey Andrew Andre Jesus Christ let me help you Andre I got call literally appeared

Brian Atlasto Paul call the Ministry Andrew wait Andrew Andrew Andrew Andrew I can't say me I feel like I can help this out a bit a little bit

Andrew WilsonAndrew isn't it the case you know isn't there like a Bible verse about uh like women are not supposed to correct men on

Andrew Wilsontheology yes well this ising in fact according to Paul what in the Old Testament but no that's in the New Testament you know what the book of

Nala RayPaul is right you know what Corinthians is that all the you know what Paul wrote right dude one of my favorite verses in the Bible is 2 Corinthians 57 for we all are a new creation in Christ my favorite

Brian Atlasis Proverbs you didn't know who Paul was 5 seconds ago you to say what Proverbs wait go ahead Andrew what what is the verse about the not correcting Theology of yeah I can pull it up real quick yeah

Brian Atlaspull it up pleas Proverbs 2119 better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome anat that's the qual boom I'm not his wife think Andrew that's just my favorite it has nothing

Andrew Wilsonto do with the discussion at hand that's my favorite Bible verse now that thank you she got me a sticker was a first it's first Timothy First Timothy which is still Paul by the

Andrew Wilsonway I knew it it's of course wait by the way that's first Timothy stop sing stoping it's below the threshold bro sorry you got you got toway be at the threshold uh do you want you want me to read the verse First Timothy I think

Andrew Wilsonit's 1 Timothy 21:12 yeah do it we we want you we want you to read it do it in your Darth Vader voice though put the red the red light on I do not permit a woman to teach or have

Natalieauthority over man she must be silent boom roasted okay was this in context of how the women were told not to talk in church because they didn't know the language that they were speaking so they told instead of like talking with each other to be quiet so the men could hear

Andrew Wilsonis that the context of the verse no that's not the context who's the church wait what did you say who is the church in Timothy what church was this to no who is the church I'm asking you who the

Nala Raychurch is is the church we are the body of Christ everyone everyone's the church God is the church Christians are Christians are the church we are the body of Christ absolutely okay so if

Andrew WilsonChristians are the church then isn't everywhere Church where there's

Andrew WilsonChristians I don't understand what the question is pointing at okay so who who's the church n Christians the body of Christ okay so then everywhere that Christians are is

Nala Raythat church everywhere that real Christians are yes I believe that we make up the body of Christ and you can have church anywhere so then that means that if everywhere that there are Christians who are together then uh this

Andrew Wilsonwould be this would mean I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man she must be silent and even if that means in church and church is just referring to bodies of of Christians that would that mean that women are not supposed to teach men they must remain

Alanissilent they must be silent I don't understand uh the context of this just because of like before question so what are your takes on nuns in that point in

Andrew Wilsonthe monastery and that yeah it's this is not my worldview I'm I'm asking their worldview I'm not I'm not I'm not talking so the thing is is a lot of people take asking you out of context yes because they're not you're not

Nala Rayreading before and after this we don't even I I don't have can I check I'd like to read the whole chapter honestly I come from a church of denomination here's the here's the quote

Andrew Wilsonbefore it hey she's talking she's talking full submission that's nice she can still not talk I'm talking I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over man she must be quiet what it says before that woman should

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)learn in quietness and full submission okay what did you have I come from a denomination Reformed Presbyterian um where we actually do not

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)permit women to preach we do not them we do not have women pastors we don't we don't let them preach we don't allow women to be Elders however that does not

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)mean that women cannot talk to other people outside of the church about God we can still spread the word of God and we can still tell people about that okay agreed who people who are Christians we've already answered that okay so then

Andrew Wilsoneverywhere you go where there's Christians would be the church yes but we are called to speak to the unbelievers you go which is Christians by your view then is church then that means that any place that women are where there's other Christians who are

Andrew Wilsonmen they should not be teaching them right no you said that not me so do you think that just everybody a logical ENT it's literally a logical entailment of this position there's like ahead sorry

Brian Atlasgot to mov it on okay sorry [ __ ] on combo uh we I mean look I I've been pretty generous with the time that's been given to non-dating related topics when when it comes to religion I just I

Nala Rayhave to move it on at this point uh and we're very far behind you know Andrew I'm just offering

Brian Atlasmore what's up I I just think that we can oh my God they can talk later maybe yes that's all I was gonna say no more about the topic you how long are you in Santa Barbara for Nala literally till tomorrow night oh you're leaving I'm

Brian Atlasstick around stick around come join our election day stream it's not a dating to no I'm sorry I have another podcast in Texas Andrew can join that one she's busy um okay

Andrew Wilsonso I'd rather I'd rather actually just do a straight up debate just a call in debate uh with you one V one with a moderator where you can't evade

Andrew Wilsonquestions you can't lie you can't pivot you can't straw man you can't [ __ ] that's what I would prefer your together both together i' love that do both

Nala Raytogether I would love that oh yeah we need to get your your stay by one day I'll pay for your stay one day I'm sorry no you can't pay for my other podcast to be

Nala Rayredone wait what but hey okay I'll give Brian my phone number so he can pass it along to you and we'll set something you guys can figure it out let's set a date let's set a day right now talk about

Nala Raydating that way you do it live and you can't later go no I I to change my mind and blah let said that I never said that you won't do it I what part of this

Nala Raydo you not understand okay so let's set a day right now let's set a day what day you want to do what do you got next week she doesn't have her calendar on I literally do not have my phone otherwise I could tell

Brian Atlasyou you have Monday okay you guys can you guys got to figure this out off stream I'm sorry but uh okay so final thing on this 10 thing uh do you think you'll be better looking

Nala Rayin 10 years time starting with h I have no idea honestly I hope so but age ah age takes place and probably not no okay do I look better in 10 years would you look better wait so hold on

Brian Atlasdid I I don't know if I got a straight answer here Nala you're 26 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 36 no obviously I'm in my 20s like these are the best times of my life right now okay

Noratrue I mean if I'm going to take good care of my body take care of my skin that's important right now that's has been important since I was like 15 16 I

Norawill definitely be goodlook at that time but better better looking I think we're peeking in our 20s okay so not better looking at 30 no

Mandyokay you're 20 would you be better looking in 10 years time at 30 I don't think so uh looking at my parents sorry Mom uh I just I just don't see it happening

Mandyeven if I do take care of myself I'm not a LaVine like I'm not going to yeah okay uh you're 34 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 44 no and then

Brian Atlasyou're 34 were you better looking at 24 yes okay you're 19 do you think it would be better looking in 10 years time at 29 no okay you're 22 do you think it would be better looking in 10 years time at uh 32 no okay you're 21 do you think you'll

Brian Atlasbe better looking in 10 years time at 31 I hope so but probably not okay uh 33 better looking at 10 years time 43 no and then uh were you better looking at 23 than you are now at 33

Brian Atlasdefinitely okay that was a simple one uh let's see about you Brian you think you're going to look better in 10 years pull up my Instagram pull up my Instagram wait what did you look like at 25 yeah we'll pull up a photo can we see

Brian Atlasthis yeah sure uh I was better looking when I was younger I'm 35 I'm definitely not going to be better looking in 10 years time um yeah so better look 10 years ago I feel like men age better

Nataliethough scroll down that's a lot I like the donkey that's a lot that's me is that you a kid

Brian Atlasgo go the the Instagram handle so okay uh the surfing ones I was like probably I don't know

Brian Atlaswait wa can you smile Brian that's me can you smile looks like the guy you're smiling that pH scroll up Scroll up a bit uh scroll down that is not I don't

Brian Atlasknow that me with the that is him you guys the black tank top I was probably 20 there like that's his YouTube scroll up Scroll up this is like a fake profile

Nala RayW this is me wow yeah be looking you changed drastically yeah bro I'm chubby now a are you wearing a crop top

Brian Atlasstressful well that was her video you know oh so that excuses it right Brian wow you're an angel they're in

Brian Atlaslove what the [ __ ] we're hyping you up all right scroll up what else we got hping up his past self your eyes are really blue yeah yeah yeah was it better

Mandylooking it's a baby r wow you look so different yeah I know what it's a facial hair I think it's a facial hair it

Brian Atlasis I got the beard and I got about 2 years of more cortisol than I know I know I know in a [ __ ] lifetime stress will do that too I feel

Nala Raylike people with blue eyes look younger in general that's what I think I really do you just look younger yeah I don't know you got White Walker eyes what

Brian Atlasclean eyes she got them nice clean eyeballs oh my God my eyes are like blue with white on the inside of them got so magical piing like you're going to [ __ ] Crush

Noralike the I love you look like you're going to shoot lasers out of your eyes really eyes bag she's like I love she look

Brian Atlasyou okay let's see oh let's we haven't done the bear question in a while so here is the question so would you're you're in the forest you get spawned

Brian Atlasinto a forest there's two buttons in front of you you can either spawn a random man or a random bear you're going to cross paths with either

Mandythe man or the bear no matter what no matter what which do you pick the man or the bear the man I say stopped bear the Bear yes what kind of bear it's a random bear so polar bear so it could be a

Brian Atlasblack bear or a polar bear yes which would see see that's that's unfair I feel like that's unfair though okay it's a it's random so of all the Bears in the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)United States okay could be Smokey Bear bro he's a dice bear good or win the poop good men bad men good bear bad bear I feel like my chances with with finding

Mandya man that's not going to kill me is higher than finding my chances with a bear that's not going to kill me so I

Brian Atlasthink I'm going to go with the man okay uh man man man man man why' you pick

Norawhy' you pick maybe we're like cool buddies at the end or something maybe he's like you think you're going to D up there you know RZ the bear is that what you're

Mandythinking guys she's German she can she's she a tough girl yeah have you guys seen the movie Meredith or whatever whichever that have you seen cocaine bear cocain

Brian Atlasoh my God I have that's such a good mie oh my goodness all right let me get into the pre-show notes finally we have quite a few notes from everybody let's just go to Nala really quick um did you say your

Brian Atlasdenomination really quick when it came n denominational okay uh you said that uh there's there's actually a couple videos that I just wanted to pull up why we just get those done uh can you pull up

Brian Atlasthe videos from Nala there's two on Instagram yeah no audio on it please it's a great audio probably copy yeah

Brian Atlascopyright unfortunately yeah uh yeah that works play it all right this is you getting baptized yay we did it boys oh and the red hair I take full credit for this by

Brian Atlasthe way why I take all the credit for what we this was totally me and Andrew's doing right definitely not Andrew we definitely definitely Andrew definitely Andrew you God no we we helped get I

Brian Atlaspromise you Andrew was nowhere in my universe of thinking when I got baptized not when you got baptized but because you got baptized next one next next one what's the other Instagram tab you can close that one nope ah no no scuffed did

Mandyyour hair D start bleeding when you did that oh yeah everywhere yeah I felt so bad wait wait wait here refresh the page refresh I remember you iog look we did

Brian Atlasthe PO obviously taking credit on okay all right uh so that's cool um I did want to talk to you briefly on this not really dating related but earlier on in the show you mentioned that all these

Brian Atlasof creators including yourself you kind of you know you uh exaggerate things or you'll make things up because clickbait whatever your words um you're out of the

Brian Atlasindustry now yeah so I feel like you're probably free to talk about some of this stuff yeah what's the tea what are the Dark Secrets um you know we'll have girls

Brian Atlaswho've come on the show they probably cap about their earnings they cap about stories these anecdotes because they think they they can get little tell it's all click baited so do you know this

Brian Atlasgirl there's this girl who we might have on the show but uh they're like say they'll sleep with like two 100 guys in a day yeah maybe there's this one girl going around late Bonnie do you know who that l or

Nala Raysomething I don't know but she just was like I I just slept with 101 guys in one day it's like [ __ ] yeah I don't know if hers is [ __ ] again I'm not here sitting here going to call anybody a

Brian Atlasliar I don't know I'm not in their life I have no idea sure I I mean I just know the internet is fake you don't need to speak about like any specific people but I want to get the Intel I want to get

Brian Atlasthe scoop so like what are the dark secrets of being an

Nala Rayonline strumpet see I used a a nice you really did I appreciate that trumpet thank you I think the biggest one that men are

Nala Raybeing fed the lie that they're speaking to the girl and they're not oh yeah I brought that up on the show though they're not like the the chatter they're being they're being they're talking to Chatters and I hope that discourages

Nala Raypeople from being on only fans being on any porn site is that you are not speaking to the girl you are speaking to probably a middle-aged man acting like the girl like some guy selling you stuff

Nala Rayyeah outsourced people maybe in India India being outsourced who like you don't have full like you don't have like full ownership of your account it is

Nala Rayyours to pull money out of however people are running it for you because you have such a high demand and you are the content creator you go out and make content you are the viral person this is why I went on so many podcasts is to go

Nala Rayviral so that I made more money my job wasn't to message all the people dude I had like 107,000 subscribers at one point I couldn't talk to all of them and at the time it seemed like the right idea however now obviously since I'm out

Nala Raythings are very different and I understand that I hurt a lot of people and I I literally caused men to sin stumbling through sin lusting after me probably cheating on their spouse mo more than definitely cheating on their

Nala Rayspouse cheating on their girlfriend like masturbating like that's what I did and that's like a sin that I've carried for well since I got off only fans and got baptized like this has been a huge conviction on my heart and if I could

Nala Rayapologize again to any male who had my only fans and I caused you to sin or caused you to stumble I want to give you a heart like just an apology because like you didn't deserve that um but if

Nala Rayit can get you off of only fans letting you know that you are not actually talking to the girl get off of only fans you are not speaking to the girl maybe in some cases you are maybe in some very small tiny Creator Circle you are

Nala Rayspeaking to the girl who has like a 100 followers but in general you're not there are men pimping girls out answering their DMS getting a huge cut of what they make on only fans like that

Nala Rayis the darkest secret I have for you guys it's not good tea it's just the truth and it's just like it's a really hard reality to face especially when you're sitting there being vulnerable in

Brian Atlasfront of a screen and literally speaking to a middle-aged man H I almost I I this thought crossed my mind when it came to like the fraud when

Brian Atlasit comes to like the typers and Chatters is like is there any potential civil liability like could some attorney bring like class action lawsuit absolutely because

Brian Atlasbasically uh like you said pretty much most of these of girls they're not responding to the messages they were signed in contracts but it's like and they could not speak about it or they

Brian Atlaswould get sued so it's why spread fraud WID and then only fans the company itself to some degree like no only

Nala Raypartners with these agencies to do it like is there want more money is like AI coming I actually have no idea because like AI months ago I have no idea like

Brian Atlasthe AI pretty prob so at this point they could instead of paying like a a person an a be doing it but like the I think the fraud comes when the women are saying no

Brian AtlasI don't have that I mean I still think it's wrong even if they're not like just you know they're not making the claim that it's me who you're talking to but dude I [ __ ] hate these people um

Brian Atlasbut if they're actually making the affirmative claim that you're speaking to me but it's actually a typer or it's AI but they're saying no you're talking to me no management none of this

Brian Atlas[ __ ] the only thing is is it's hard to prove that would be the issue it's hard to prove I mean in the lawsuit you just do Discovery and then like only fans has to

Nala Rayhave ages could completely deny it they could be like oh no in this case this was actually happening they can deny it but there's paper trail they're get these people are getting paid there's

Nala Rayconversations there's emails attorneys would just find this in Discovery I think the bigest trigger here is only fans only fans hired or partnered with these companies to do this like that is

Nala Rayit like it's not like only fans doesn't know this is going on behind their back only fans absolutely knows this and just within like what uh last year 2023 they

Nala Raymade $3 billion off of girls on only fans like that's crazy so I definitely think there could be some like class action that targets like the top

Brian Atlascreators on only fans I mean they could Target all the creators on only fans they're doing this but also they target only fans directly for being complicit they could Target ages because the girls

Nala Raymost the time don't even know it because like so like they know there's Chatters obviously but the only it's only fans producing the message that you're actually speaking to the girls the girls aren't like most of the time I never

Brian Atlassaid that I was speaking to you I just said hey I make explicit content which that's what I did I do think a lot of men are getting uh defrauded on this front but um is and

Brian Atlasis there uh wait any of the girls here have an O do you ever had o or any kind of sex work feet pcks any of that [ __ ] okay you have o right and you do BG

Brian Atlascontent yes okay and I'm chatting I'm all by myself I

Brian Atlasdo because I have stop the cap wait so Nala yeah this girl sitting right next to you she does off she's being a

Nala Raydgen you going to get her out what's up give I don't know I don't know her life I can't call her up for anything I no facts in front of me I just have what she says she has o That's the fact yeah she has oof but I also said that some

Brian Atlassmall creators are actually doing it not every I moved off of the typer thing I'm not saying color out on that I'm saying don't you don't you want to see this girl sitting next to you stop doing

Nala Rayabsolutely I do but I can't do it by forcing her though give her the game the game there is no game not the game give her the I don't know I'm trying SP trying to be cool or whatever trying to

Nala Raybe well like at the end of the day it's her decision she can see someone like me that's moved on and she can listen to My Testimony or she could absolutely message me call me we can have a great conversation outside of this podcast

Nala Rayabout what God's done in my life and see if that changes what she wants to do with hers but in no way shape or form can I force her to do that that is up you can't force her to do it but are you would I love that abolutely would you

Nala Raygive her like a little elbow like hey FR line cut that [ __ ] cut that [ __ ] out she can absolutely do that and yeah you can definitely cut that [ __ ] out absolutely you don't need this and you

Brian Atlasare way more worthy than this you are bringing dishonor shut up Brian to I'm BR I'm bringing joy and happiness through

Brian Atlascuming yeah okay all right um it's pleasure wait normally we save normally we save this for the end of the show but I'll just do it now it's so ODOT in I

Nala Raywould like to extend to you you got a freaking sweater on you want I understand you this is a thing I know and no I'm not you can you're your butt

Nala Raynaked under there sh you want you want fcking t-shirt all yeah I've done that too okay it's a hoodie like you can't see anything if I don't wear anything under it uh so okay call to action for

Nala Rayyou will oh it's is that Pearl in the chat oh dude I totally accept Pearl let's go this girl's been talking about me Pearl hi Pearl a big fan thank you for the Super Chat Pearl hi Pearl there

Nala Rayyou go Pearl thank you man um call to we need we need a day though we need a bro I'm literally running a company Andrew I'm totally fine with that I'm totally fine with that we literally even

Andrew Wilsonhaven't said one have barely said one word you're already cutting just one second the reason that we need a day the reason that we need a day is because here's what happens right is you will

Andrew Wilsonagree you'll say yeah sure you know your people call my people blah blah blah blah blah blah BL said call and then what happens is one side makes up a bunch of [ __ ] or they decide to have second thoughts or this or that when

Andrew Wilsonwhat I've never seen though is anybody ever back out of a show except for Dean Withers where they actually agree where they actually agree to do it live on a

Andrew Wilsonday and then fail to show up on the day so I'm asking for a day for Pearl Davis versus Nala and a day for Nala and Nala's husband versus Andrew Wilson in a moderated debate I'm totally fine with

Nala Raythat but one I do not a number one I don't even know what day it is number two we are I literally am traveling for the next week and a half

Nala Rayand then number three we have I don't care I don't even know what day three weeks from from now is so give me read me a calendar off or something I'll give you some days hang on I'm going to give you some days you need to give me like wait Andrew you're coming you're coming

Brian Atlasto H Santa Barbara for December right yeah yeah but but hangang I'm not coming back all right all right so you're traveling the whole next week uh how about uh Tuesday the 12th of November

Nala RayTuesday the 12th of November wait you're here tomorrow right Nala course you're here tomorrow right I'm here in the morning my flight out's at 11: okay or the 13th Wednesday I have a podcast with

Nala Raythis kid named Brian on the 13th and then we're going to do some shooting with our clothing on the 14th so great so then Friday the 15th guys can you do this off this is what I'm asking for me

Nala RayI just need to I one I'd love to talk to my husband number two I'd love to pick a date you think I'm just going to back out but oh my God I want to talk to you about this so bad you will back out I promise what a doubter she needs her phone be will know what her schedule is I literally don't even know what's on my

Nala Rayphone right now and you're just mad because you have your phone in front of you and can pick a date so I'm like please make this fair in some way I wish you could go get your phone can I have my phone Bri and one I would like I said I'd love to speak to my husband pick a

Nala Raydate live that way that way she can't back away from me or Pearl how about this how about this I will post a video right after this and I'm going to be like Hey listen I'm going to pick a date with Brian you can literally screen I

Brian Atlasdon't even understand this because hold on I don't even understand this because even if she were to pick a date it wouldn't be it wouldn't be legally binding there would be nothing he's just mad that he thinks I'm going to back out

Nala Raybut like for right now I want again I would love I'm not they number one anyway so I would love to pick a date one speaking to my husband when his schedule is freed up to because you invited my husband I don't know what his

Nala Rayschedule doesn't have to be your husband I would love my husband to be involved and not like two against one thank you well it would be two against that would be you two versus me would no that would be because you said Pearl against me and

Nala Raythen you against my husband with you has nothing to do with me he meant separate like Pearl and him are separate oh okay yeah has nothing to do with me well I didn't know so I'm happy to do one V1 I'm fine with that how about this or1

Nala Rayonce again I'm trying to offer something let me post on my story right after this after I get my phone I'll be like listen me and Andrew are going to be doing a debate time to be announced kind of

Nala Raything you can screen record that posted all over the place I don't care I'm willing to have it I'd love to have a conversation with my husband and I would love to see my calendar this is I agree

Andrew Wilsonhow about just you'll commit to a bait within the next 3 weeks agreed handshake virtually is that agreed yes okay all

Brian Atlasright B great a great okay wow wait did I did we get the call to action here did I do the call to action call to action to you uh will you consider stopping

Brian Atlasdoing only fans tonight just right now on the show on whatever podcast you got to delete your

Mandyonly fans no I try no what if you didn't delete it but like you kept the money that like you continuously made from the

Brian Atlasvideos no we tried I tried we tried we tried okay uh let's see here uh oh wait sorry guys there was a couple chats that or just one chat

TTS/Donationsfrom Ogle thank you Ogle really appreciate it man Ogle donated $200 if someone sent chair won a receipt saying they spent money on her of would

TTS/Donationsshe be willing to refund them as repentance taking into account taxes Etc how about a 25% refund just for her cut

Brian Atlasno because you still receive my content someone looked at your content did you not get something in return thank you Ole I do appreciate your TTS

Brian Atlasthank you so much man we have Shawn Davis from New Zealand uh thank you man hey Brian I'm in New Zealand and I've been watching the show for a few months and love it especially when Andrew is a guest and O is the topic hey Sean

Brian Atlasappreciate it all the way for here I got something you boom huge rugby ball boom New Zealand Rugby World Cup 2011 thank you man hope you're uh I don't know where you where where you at Christ

Brian AtlasChurch where you at where's the capital what's the C crap Capital sorry Capal I can't speak what's the capital of uh New

Brian AtlasZealand isn't it Au Auckland thank you Damian W Damien with the clutch all right guys TTS 200 uh if you want to get in oh we have another one coming in

TTS/Donationsright now thank thank you graffito graffito tagged donated $199 Nala you're lecturing to Andrew about how he should act basically

TTS/Donationstelling him he's practicing Christianity wrong shows an extreme lack of humility Pride goth before a fall ring any bells so but it's okay for Andrew to make

Nala Rayfalse claims and literally lie I what did I lie about you said that I shoved 50 dicks in my mouth it how many was it just clarify dude I slept with three guys during the five years I

Nala Raywas on only fans I was single for the last almost two years of my only fans so yeah so it's h it's herbly but okay like I don't know the precise

Nala Rayamount of dicks that you've had in your mouth it's just many more dicks than you should have in your mouth so this is the thing I literally said that I slept with I literally said that I slept with 23 to 25 people so how does 23 to 25 people

Andrew Wilsonequate to 50 dicks in my mouth do the math Andrew it's it's hyperbole I don't know how many people You' slept with I have no idea and I you thank God yeah why well I don't I don't even understand where that came from I don't

Andrew Wilsonyou're making an assumption based I also don't understand why is this the go-to especially for former prostitutes to always assume that men want to sleep with them I never did like God of age ridden prostitutes I don't want to sleep

Nala Raywith Pro age ridden prostitutes dude no one wants to sleep with you either I'm sorry but like why say that why why assume that I want to sleep with you where did that come from I've been married for 10 plus years like what are

Nala Rayyou talking but no you're literally acting like I wanted to sleep with you I'm like ew no you brought it up you immediately brought it up thank God they W did I bring it up like what the f Ladi talking I'm literally talking to a delusional person right now when did I

Andrew Wilsonever say I wanted to sleep with you or even assume I didn't say that you said that you brought up this what you said was thank God they weren't you as though there's some type of imperative that every man wants to sleep with age-

Nala Rayridden prostitutes they don't age ridden dude I'm 26 get off your high horse no it's not a high horse why do they why do you why you so you think I'm old at 26

Nala RayACH of so look at you making false assumptions once again you called me a pathological liar and then you're literally over here saying I had 50 dicks in my mouth saying that I have

Nala Rayeights when you have no proof of any of that so that doesn't that make you a liar answer my question Andrew doesn't that make you a liar no of course not first of all on both counts love love

Andrew Wilsonthis conversation hyperbole the use of hyperbole is to demonstrate the ab of what somebody else is saying to be precise it's supposed to be

Andrew Wilsonhyperbolic that's the point saying it as a deliver a point home that's generally true enough and that's why I use hyperbole like for instance sex workers

Andrew Wilsonare filled to the brim with STDs that's hyperbole now is that precise does that mean that all sex workers have STDs well of course not but it's true enough you do understand that normal people have

Nala Raynobody wants to [ __ ] a bunch of age riddle PR ites yes that's correct was there anything else that you wanted to add oh so many things but I think we should talk about this on our debate in about 3 weeks that guy

TTS/Donationsslingshot so much respect for you Nala and the change that you've made in finding Christ again super proud of you keep up the good work thank you don't

Andrew WilsonChrist the nond Divine One the non- Divine one that lets her correct men I mean which Christ which Christ did she

Brian Atlasall right moving on to the show notes thank you slingshot appreciate it why don't we go to Twitch really quick we'll do another twitch shout out here guys you got to go to twitch.tv oh we got a couple reacts

Brian Atlaslet's do the okay do twitch we'll do reacts go ahead twitch.tv whatever guys we're trying to get to 95 thou that we need just about a 200 followers before

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Brian Atlaseasier way to support the show every single month yeah uh let's see seven thank for the prime killer thank for the tier one Jefferson thank you for the prime nuny cat thank you for the prime appreciate it guys and we do have uh

Brian Atlasrforce thank you for the follow Grill thank you for the follow devious thank you for the follow rare thank you for the follow appreciate it guys thank you thank you we have the dating app so let's do the dating app reaction here

Brian Atlasand you check them right it's clean it's what they're clean yeah okay go ahead we'll get those going so this is uh Nora

Brian Atlasright okay all right uh okay kiss on the neck next life goal of mine being successful as an actress

Noranext I go crazy for creating content together like porn no any kind of content like on Tik Tok just with my gay best friend Dance videos oh okay is

Brian Atlasthere another one no oh that's it oh okay well that was none of the pictures were Lo but that's cuz Okay um and then we have uh

Brian AtlasAlanis Alanis Alan Alanis oh Pop I love the makeup the makeup eats thank you that's from from she Studios you were talking about earlier gassing each other up okay

Brian Atlasnext but do she hot though okay dude that takes skill to do the eyeliner no quero no quero per

Alanisdareo did I say that right I um that means I don't want to waste my time [Music] again green flags she looks for knows

Brian Atlashow to dance has a humor patience goes to the gym goes to the um foodie grael SPO

Brian Atlasspoiling me good with kids yeah spoiling okay never that's a lot I feel like hold on wait wait wait wait wait hold on

TTS/Donationsreally quick I don't know man that sounds like a lot of work okay you know what I mean oh [ __ ] all these rules okay go back to it

Alanisnext Spanish some that's Portuguese oh okay my bad it's Portuguese yeah my bad what does it say oh it's oh my gosh but like my dad used to say it all the

Alanistime when he get annoyed so now I say it like all the time next Meda what is that like I get like embarassed

Alanisembarrassed oh wait you get embarrassed I get embarrassed when people pay stuff for me like I feel bad like because I've always had like I don't feel like I'm worthy sometimes for it so but yet again

Brian Atlasno one's paid for [ __ ] for me okay next wait go back too if you can wait but hold on green flags I look for spoiling me go forward

Alanisto you get embarrassed when people pay for anything how do you reconcile these two so like I think it's cuz like I want somebody to do it like that's like the green flags like cuz I'm going to cuz

Alanisthat's kind of in our like in our culture like no like it's okay like all this stuff like in my culture it's more like I the women service like everybody before themselves so I'm like no no no no I got it I got it I got it but I

Alanisreally want somebody to be like like assertive and be like no I got it and I got this for you and this and that like I want to feel that like that's how it yeah okay got a couple chats guy

TTS/Donationsslingshot donated $199 the one and only Jesus Christ yo slingshot man really appreciate it thank you so much we have

Andrew Wilsonuh the guy that guy slingshot if you if you have the ontology incorrect or the epistemology incorrect as to the nature of what Jesus Christ is and what his gospel is then we're not worshiping the same deity or we don't have the same

Andrew WilsonChrist it's the same thing with God it's how you know that the Muslim God is not the Christian God it's how you know that the god that modern Jews worship is not the Christian God how you know this it's

Andrew Wilsonbecause you're looking at the ontology and the being of what this God is and that's why the characteristics are so important that's why the Trinity is so important that's why these things are so

Brian Atlasimportant to dissect and discuss okay thank you for that slingshot we have Wen here 50 hot dogs is obviously worse than

Brian Atlas25 however 25 hot dogs makes the single hot dog trying to make you a wife you

Nala Rayskeptical what huh I don't understand huh huh 50 hot dogss is worse than 25 oh of

Brian Atlascourse it makes you like skeptical but oh hot dogs got it yeah I was like wait all right I got then we got we got

TTS/Donationsone coming in for me here wdf Brian donated $200 something's off tonight I've never

TTS/Donationsseen you cut off Andrew like this not letting him engage what's going on man OMG Andrew just leave looks like Brian's not going to let you set up any

Brian Atlasdebates well I mean okay there's a couple things here I'm the host of the show I move everybody along sometimes I have to move things if Andrew's talking some I got to move it along if somebody else is talking I got to move things

Brian Atlasalong we have a lot to get through we haven't even really gotten into any of the pre-show notes uh it's there's this is a panel there's nine people here at the table 10 if you're including

Brian AtlasAndrew I try my best to try to bring other people in some people really haven't much had much opportunity to speak tonight to be courteous to the

Brian Atlaspanelists again there's nine panelists I have to cut people off I have to move things on it's the nature of a fast-paced show and I don't I mean this

Brian Atlaswhole thing about like not letting him engage we've been live for 4 and 1/2 hours

Brian AtlasI'm pretty sure I allotted at least 2 hours to theological conversation this [ __ ] show and like I let it go on for a

Brian Atlasdecent amount of time yeah but it's a dating discussion show the panelists probably did not anticipate that this would be such a theologically

Brian Atlasheavy conversation there's atheists here at the table who probably don't give a [ __ ] [Laughter]

Brian AtlasI'm I'm happy to assist with facilitating Andrew Nala having a debate where they can but on our own stuff and not on your panel but and when it comes

Brian Atlasto the scheduling stuff I think that that typically can be handled off camera I don't think it needs to be done on camera

Brian Atlasso I mean I get a lot of CR criticism for the way I conduct the panels it's not a simple job there's not a handbook on how to do a live dating discussion

Brian Atlaspanel often with people who are not media trained who it's their first time ever being on camera who ever spoken into a microphone I do my

Brian Atlasbest and it is what it is I mean I don't know what else what else to say um I got to I moderate as best as I can and I try to give as much room as I

Brian Atlascan and I'm pretty confident if you tallied up the total amount of conversation that was dedicated to strictly theology it was probably two hours

Brian Atlastonight half of the [ __ ] show get off my [ __ ] case dude God damn holy [ __ ] I get it's like damned if you do

Brian Atlasdamned if you don't like either oh Brian I get all the comments either let things drag on for too long or oh he doesn't give it enough space it's like I don't know what [Music]

MandyI always get I get criticized over about everything yeah no you can't um you can't please everyone like no matter what you do it's okay

Brian Atlasso yeah I don't know Brian has spoken there it is all right um let's see here what do we have

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)let's get into the notes uh wait Jessica that's me okay you said uh you're a singer I am oh can we hear something really quick please sure I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)actually practice this this is my um my my mom wrote this song St ready well I've had a long day I want to

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)go home turn on some music and turn off the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)phone open the windows and pull down the

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)blinds take all the pressure

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and leave them behind andess

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)me hold my hand just caress me till I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)understand all the simple things are what matter

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)most and I for get the pain just caress me and and love me

TTS/Donations[Music] again wow $99 before I forget Andrew I thought you did great on Jubilee just wish you could

TTS/Donationshave debated more but you did good when you were able to speak and putting Destiny in his place props yeah I watched that I did too

Brian Atlasappr loved it yeah that was uh I saw the Jubilee thing in andw uh that whole format is kind of arler to be

Andrew Wilsonhonest AR yeah well there was um there was a lot of cutouts right so a lot of it got cut I actually think I had more time to debate than most of the people

Brian Atlaswho were there for the two segments that I debated but they cut and condense it's also really weird like the in terms of you have to run to the chair

Brian AtlasI didn't run anywhere and also like okay the PE because the chair is on one side so who like if somebody's coming from the other side of the circle they're at a disadvantage to

Andrew Wilsongetting to the the whole thing is just not because they're not so they split the room so they have the right side the left side of the room and they only call on one side of the room at a time oh so if you're on the left side of room you

Andrew Wilsonhave as much chance to get to the chair as everybody on the left if you're on the right you have as much chance everybody on the right but I'll tell you funny story this guy who was there got so overeager on the left side this is

Andrew WilsonThe Far Side from me that he got up and ran towards the chair so quickly that he tripped over it and did a nose dive into Glenn Lawrence and bowled them both over and they were on the ground it was the

Brian Atlasfunniest [ __ ] you not kidding that really happened damn yeah I don't know also I feel like what if there's like somebody who's obese like I feel like it's very ableist you know like it's

Brian Atlasgoing to be harder for them to like even if it's e same side of the room they're not going to run as fast you know that shit's all for show it's all for show what actually is going on is that people will flag each other in

Andrew Wilsondifferent chairs and be like okay are you going next they'll be like yeah and then it'll they'll make the appearance that they're all getting up to rush towards the chair but they're not really in just that one person is that's why I just got up and sauntered over I was

Natalielike I'm just going to take this is that like that Charlie Kirk thing that he it's the red flag thing when they all ra the red flags love watching those which I think is so unfair because all times people have good points they're making and then everyone around them will like raise a red flag so like oh they're

Andrew Wilsonmaking too many good points cuz they kind of want the conversation to be dumb sometimes what's really going on though is that a lot of that is they condense the entire episode down to an hour and a

Andrew Wilsonhalf or an hour and 45 minutes and so they actually cut out a lot of what happens in a lot of these exchanges and they try to just capture the image of the exchange without giving you every

Mandyword of it yep I have a question um do you think that they like manipulated people's opinions like after editing and everything and they posted

Mandyit I don't I don't know what you're asking as in like okay so do you think that they made someone seem more like extreme kind of or like I I don't know

Andrew Wilsonhow exactly to word this no I think that they I think that when they did the editing process when when I went back and watched it right I think that they tried to capture

Andrew Wilsonwhat each side was saying and they just had to cut certain sections of what was said out without trying to get rid of the idea of what the person was saying does that make sense yeah so they

Mandyweren't like making it seem like you had an opinion that you didn't have kind of I it did not appear that way to me no okay yeah it didn't appear like they

Andrew Wilsonwere trying to edited to remove the core of what was being stated but rather just kind of like anything which was filler or tangential to the point they would cut out oh

Brian Atlasokay okay all right uh let's see here we have some uh let's get into the notes so going to you Jessica you said you're pretty sure that your ex is a

Brian Atlaspathological liar yes okay he's the father of your youngest son he's from Venezuela and when you met him he told you he was a pilot flying for United he

Brian Atlaswas 21 at the time which was Catch Me If You Can which was suspicious to you uh he said that he got his license in Venezuela partway through your relationship he told his you to he told

Brian Atlasyou his mother died from cancer and shortly after her passing he informed you his mother was attempting to cross the border correct when you asked him how his mother was suddenly reincarnated

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)mhm like how like didn't she just die of cancer I thought she passed away and he told me that that was not actually his that like that was his biological mother

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)but that the mother who was crossing the border was actually his adopted mother uh yeah yeah his adopted mother that like the woman that he that was crossing the border with his grandmother and his

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)aunt um was like his mother's best friend and he knew her as mother and that was his mother but then like later

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)um in my own just suspicion because there were so many other like lies throughout the relationship um I just

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)asked his uncle like I asked his uncle um and I was like hey you know who is who is this woman um they they all they all don't none of them speak English so I had to do it in Spanish but um like

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)who is this you know who is this woman he was like that's his mom and I was like yeah no but his that's his like adopted mother like who's his biological mother and he's like what are you talking about you know that's his mother

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)she had a C-section like she carried him in her womb and all of this stuff and I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)was like so okay so I'll just lies lies and lies and lies um yeah it was crazy

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)there was so many other things too there was an instance where like he he would do this weird thing where he would just hang up on me like in the middle of us

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)talking um and then he would ignore my calls for like hours and sometimes days and I would be like where are you like what are you doing

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)hello are you there um there was one point where I thought um when his mother initially died he dropped off the face of the Earth it seemed for like a week

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)and a half like I didn't hear from him he didn't text me and then finally when I heard word of him it wasn't from him it was from someone who said was like

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)his uncle or his cousin and he told me that he had been a arrested that he had flown back to Venezuela to see his mother because she had passed away in

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)Venezuela um and that he was arrested when he got there um and uh that he was in jail and like that's why he couldn't message me and that Jose called him from

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)jail and told him to sorry I just dropped his name um that he called him from jail and wanted him to contact me and he sent me a bunch of these like articles and I don't know you guys if you know anything about what's happening

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)in Venezuela right now but like maduro's dict and he's crazy anyway just lots of little little things like that there were many instances

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)where the lies just kept piling on top of each other and then I was pregnant as well got pregnant uh you said you're you think you're slowly turning into an

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)anti-feminist you've been listening to a lot of Andrew and Rachel Wilson and you really resonate with their views yes um just just more of where I think

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)that you know not that I think that we as women are lesser but that we all have our roles that men um share a special role I used to be one of those women

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)like I used to consume this like super feminist content of women just just you know for lack of a better term just [ __ ] on men they were just talking about how terrible they were and and I

JY / Jessica / Natalie (merged)would just eat that up I I used to love it um I don't know I don't know why um it just made me I guess feel feel feel better but now I just complete 180 I

Brian Atlasdon't feel that way anymore at all uh you said that you used to be you said you said that you used to be Pro hookup culture but now you're against it

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