She HIDES Being TRÂNS?! Single Mom DEMANDS Men Pay For Babysitter?! MlSANDRlST?! | Dating Talk 274

Date: 2025-12-22

Duration: 9h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLauren (Healer)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Taran (Deadly P)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lauren (29, healer)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Latrice(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nyx(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lauren (24)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Miriam(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced including trans woman and Saudi magician

Key MomentMiriam performs close-up card trick - first female magician on Whatever

Key MomentBrian reveals Taran is trans. Panel reacts.

Key MomentTaran's viral boat kiss + lie detector clip played

ControversyLauren-29 requires men pay babysitter ($60-150) for first date

Key MomentLauren's relationship price list displayed on screen

QuoteTaran says 'Country Texas' when asked to name a country

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Taran (trans woman) and Miriam (Saudi magician).

Taran Trans Reveal + Viral Videos

Brian reveals Taran is trans. Boat kiss video and lie detector played.

Lauren Single Mom Babysitter Requirement

Lauren requires men pay babysitter for first dates. Extended debate.

Lauren Price List

$50 per like on another girl, $100 per DM, $2000 for texting ex.

Self-Ratings

Lauren-29 rates herself 10. Miriam rates herself ~2.

Man vs Bear

Most choose bear. Brian draws racism parallel.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing. Most debate submission.

Taran: 'Country Texas'

Taran says 'Country Texas' when asked to name a country.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswill hire a full-time makeup artist to follow basically follow you around, but you're going to be living a whole your whole life. Sorry, not three years. >> Okay. >> Uh as a 59year-old. >> Yeah. >> Uh in terms of your physical appearance.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> This would from your from your own uh admission, you said you'd be better looking at 59. >> Yeah. >> So, wouldn't you want to maximize your looks right now? And this would be non.

Brian AtlasPreviously, we've offered, hey, we'll we'll give you plastic surgery, so you're just perma look older from here on out. >> Uh would you do you want to take up the offer? >> I would just like start dating in

Lauren (29, healer)nursing homes. Like I don't know. >> Okay. Well, I mean, your your actual age would remain the same. >> Yeah. >> So, but we could age you forward. No, cuz my definition of beauty is like as

Lauren (29, healer)you age, like I said, like the smile wrinkles are like where that came from. So, >> I'm just going to be appreciative while I'm aging.

Miriam>> Yeah. >> Okay. I guess the question is, >> if we have you and we had your future 89 years old woman time travel and come here today and you're facing a man,

Miriammaybe he's 40 years old, which one would he pick? You're the same person. It's just you're different ages. Which one would he pick? >> Why am I concerned about who a man picks? >> But you're dating.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Just answer the question. >> I mean, I already did. Shouldn't you? >> You didn't answer her question. You didn't No, you didn't answer her question. >> Um, I would date someone who I'm the same age as.

Brian Atlas>> Can Can we not do this like koi like not answering the question thing? It's a reasonable question that she asked. I think it's fair for you to answer it. >> I would date. I wouldn't even date

Miriamsomeone I would date someone my age. >> Was that the same? >> Is that even a question? Is that even the question? >> Okay, so you're the same age in both. >> You just like have that look. >> You guys move on. >> Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I want

Latriceto ask Lauren. Lauren, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast >> this morning? Yeah. How would you feel if you hadn't had breakfast this morning? >> I don't know. Like fine. [laughter]

LatriceThere you go, Brian. >> There you go. That that that's the point. >> Okay. >> Wait, what was the answer? She might have >> She said she doesn't know. >> She doesn't know.

Latrice>> There you go. That this Trust me, I've I've been on quite a few debates and I ask this question all the time to people who have a hard time just answering simple questions. How would you feel if

Latriceyou had breakfast in the morning? >> If you didn't have breakfast in the morning and they dance around the question or they just don't really realistically answer it. So, you know,

Latriceit's the whole time that you are being asked this, she was just basically being really upfront. If you saw younger you and older you and there was a guy in front of you, who would he choose?

Brian Atlas>> Here, we're going to continue on uh with the the AI. Let's go ahead.

Brian Atlas>> Not bad. All right. Next.

Brian Atlas>> Why? You said you said you'd be better looking at uh 70, 80, and 90. Okay. >> Well, none of my family looks like that. And I got strong jeans. >> Lauren, can you just scoot to the table,

Brian Atlasplease, a little bit? >> All right. Next.

Nyx>> I took some milk. >> Okay. >> Thoughts? >> What? Dude, every time every time you guys put me into AI, it makes me look

Nyxwhite. [laughter] Like that's not what a Filipino grandma looks like. >> Next. [laughter] [gasps] >> Bro, these almost don't look realistic. >> Yeah, AI is never going to replace

Brian Atlashumans, guys. Don't worry. >> It's definitely going to replace humans, but that's another conversation. Next. >> Why are the pictures so red? >> I know.

Latrice>> This a TV. >> You guys have no reaction. Hello. Okay, next. lunch lady. Oh, I look like my grandmother. >> Really? >> No, like legit. I look like my my Mexican grandma. >> They made you boom.

Miriam>> I mean, that's kind of something that's inevitable for a lot of women. >> Really? [laughter] >> Yeah. When we get older, we lose hair, too. >> Way off. I don't know what age that is, but way off. >> Next. [snorts]

Brian Atlas>> Oh my god. I'm [ __ ] [laughter] >> Christmas come early. >> We're going to Oh. Uh, we've also gender swapped all of you. So, we've made you

SPEAKER_14into men. So, the question is, would you date the male version of you? >> I would make a >> All right. Ready, Nick? >> Oh, he's on. [laughter] >> Pretty boy.

Brian Atlas>> Actually, it looks like my ex. >> Oh, no. [laughter] This was okay. >> Looks like >> uh would you date him? >> Yeah, I did. >> She did. [laughter] >> Okay, next.

Nyx>> The most straightforward question answer I heard. >> He looks like a fanboy. What is that? [laughter] >> Okay. >> Oh my. >> Why did you keep that? >> This is just young Jack Septic. >> Can you make a

Brian Atlas>> He gets it in the butt. [laughter] >> Oh, why did >> Okay. >> All right. Uh, the [ __ ] septum piercing has faded into the >> mustache.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Would you date him if you were single? >> Uh, uhuh. >> Next. >> Oh. Oh, that's kind of cute. It's

Brian Atlas>> like paperwork partying. >> Would you date Would you date him? >> I mean, yeah, without the makeup. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they did keep the makeup on. So, that's kind of a >> If he had no makeup, you would date him?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> All right. Next, bro. Who Who's doing Yo, [laughter] who the [ __ ] is doing that? >> That's [ __ ] Who's doing these, bro?

Brian AtlasWho's [ __ ] They're looking without the lashes. >> Next, >> bro. These are These are so bad. Hey, that's the trans version of you. >> I know. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Like, if you were a chick and became a dude, that would kind of be >> They both tins. >> All right, next. [clears throat] Oh, that's okay. >> Would you date him?

Lauren (24)>> No. [laughter] >> You wouldn't? He >> looks nice. >> He seems like a nice guy. >> It's my face. Like I could still like [laughter] my face. >> What if he was your coworker? >> Oh,

Latricesorry. Sorry. >> Next. >> Oh, okay. >> Do you look like someone? >> The beard is tough. No, I I look Middle Eastern. >> He's kind of funny. God, girl, why did

Brian Atlasyour skin color change? >> He looks like the guy from the TV show. >> Oh, >> okay. >> Man in a suit. I like it. >> You look like you work at a car dealership. >> Is that just direction?

Latrice>> I would take it. I was thinking more like luxury retail. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, it's What's that, Nick? >> We didn't ask the question or answer the

Brian Atlasquestion. >> Oh, whatever. Whatever. Um, Bumble. Yes, we're Okay, so here's what we're going to do. Um, we are going to

Brian Atlashop on the Bumble dating app and you each get 20 swipes. >> You ready, Nick? >> I need the age break. >> Yeah, go ahead. [clears throat]

Lauren (29, healer)>> What's your age? Preferred age, >> Lauren. Uh, preferred age. >> I'm like 30 to 45. >> 30 to 45.

Brian AtlasAll right, I'm gonna get up for a sec. >> Oh, um I guess really quick. Uh if you guys can, uh so you're just

Brian Atlasgoing to see we don't see the whole profile. You get one image. Um if it's a group photo, you can just if there's one guy in there that you

Brian Atlaslike, I guess you could just pick him, I guess. >> Yeah, the hot guy. I the the hottest guy. I don't know. That sounds weird. Um and then try to just give us quick quick

Brian Atlasanswers. You can take a second just to look, but be like yes, no, yes, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever it is. Uh that's pretty much it. Go ahead, Nick.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Uh Nick, can you make us bigger, please? >> Okay. Tell me when. >> No. I'm

SPEAKER_04>> No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. [clears throat]

SPEAKER_04Yeah. No. No. Yes.

SPEAKER_04No, no, no, no, [clears throat] no.

SPEAKER_04Yes. [laughter] No, no, no. >> All right. What's your next >> me? >> Yeah.

Miriam>> 29. >> Oh, I think he's asking about the next person. Oh. Oh, sorry. I have a boyfriend. I don't want to do this. >> Okay, we'll move on to the next. >> Thank you.

Taran (Deadly P)>> What's your age? >> Um, I would say 25 to 35.

Taran (Deadly P)>> No, no, no. Yeah. No. No.

Taran (Deadly P)No. That was cool. >> No. Mm- Nada.

Taran (Deadly P)No. I [snorts] don't like him. He got some nice abs. Yeah. No. No. No.

Taran (Deadly P)No. No. No. No. No, no, no,

Taran (Deadly P)>> no.

Brian Atlas>> Sorry guys, we're just fixing something here.

Taran (Deadly P)>> Yes. >> No. No, no, no,

Miriam>> no. [snorts and clears throat] >> Seems like they are distracted and they're giving you more than they should. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Give us the yes or no. >> I said no.

Taran (Deadly P)No, >> no, [laughter] >> no, >> no, >> no, no.

Taran (Deadly P)Oh, no. [laughter] No, >> no.

Taran (Deadly P)How many of these are we doing? >> A million. >> Keep going. No,

Taran (Deadly P)no, no, no, no, no.

Taran (Deadly P)No, no, no, no, no, no.

Taran (Deadly P)>> Yes. >> Okay. So, you like black eyes? >> It's not that. They just don't look well kept. Like, y'all don't look like y'all put much effort into his phone still charging. 10 more.

Taran (Deadly P)>> No. No.

Taran (Deadly P)No.

Brian Atlas>> No.

SPEAKER_14>> Mm-m.

LatriceNice traps. >> No. >> No. >> Blue collar worker. >> No. >> Sleeping on them. [laughter] >> No.

Taran (Deadly P)Oh, no. >> Yeah. >> No. No. Mm- >> All right.

NyxNext. age range. The >> age >> uh 21 to 25.

NyxCan we do girls? >> Okay. Um I can't even see his face. No.

SPEAKER_14Yes. No, I can't see his face. No. No. I can't. No.

Nyx[laughter] Yes. Because of the cat. Look at Yes. [laughter] No.

NyxNo. No. No. Yes. No. No.

Lauren (29, healer)Sure. No. No. I can't [ __ ] see this guy. No. >> Okay. Next.

Lauren (29, healer)>> To 21 to 26. >> Okay. >> Uh, no. No.

Lauren (29, healer)No. Yes. I was kidding. Wait. [laughter] Um, no. Yes. Yes.

Lauren (29, healer)No. No. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04Yes. [laughter] Yes. No. No. No, no,

SPEAKER_04no, no, no.

Lauren (24)>> Um, 25 to 45. >> 25. >> All right. [clears throat]

Isabella>> [snorts] >> Why are they posting up with girls though? >> How's that going to attract the woman? >> This is true. I hate when guys use those. >> You need to take better photos. >> This too. Oh my god. >> Or just be a woman, you know? >> Yeah.

Taran (Deadly P)>> Okay. >> Uh, no. Yes. Yes. No.

Lauren (24)No. Yes. No. Yes. No.

Lauren (24)Yes. >> No. No. No. >> He's a lawyer.

Brian Atlas>> Oh. [clears throat] Oh. >> Um. >> [clears throat and cough] >> Uh, you're married. We're not gonna Do you want to do this? >> Sure, why not?

Miriam>> Okay. Age range of men? >> Uh, 35 45. >> 35 45.

Miriam>> No, I don't see his face. No. Which one? No.

MiriamI mean, sure. He got a nice smile. Let's do for this guy. No, I don't see

Miriamhis face. No. No. Too much beard. No. Sure. No.

MiriamNo. No. No. I can't see his face. No. Sure.

MiriamI can't see his face. [laughter] No. >> I can't see his eyes. No.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I got to see his eyes. No. >> All right. That was uh Wow. Some people are kind of a little bit picky, I think. Who Who was the pickiest, Nick? What'

Brian Atlasyou say? >> Chair three or chair or Lauren? >> I think chair three. >> It was a tie. Okay. >> It's hard to pick. They women.

Lauren (29, healer)>> But Lauren, you said no to a lot of those guys. >> I know. >> Didn't you? Didn't you? >> No. I think you mean other Lauren. >> Huh? >> Do you like >> No, I'm talking to you. >> I know, but I think she I said yes to a few.

Brian Atlas>> She's right. >> I said yes to a few. >> Okay. Um, interesting to see. Uh I guess the final

Brian Atlasthing on the looks topic is we have women here who on one hand 10 10 10 10 uh

Brian Atlasthere's a lot of I hear from a lot of women that they frequently date narcissists but I don't think there's a better demonstration of narcissism as viewing yourself

Brian Atlasas uh Well, [snorts] among the most beautiful women in the world

Brian Atlasthat I mean that would be narcissist. What what was the story? He he drowned himself in water or something cuz he was looking at his

Brian Atlasreflection. >> Isn't that the story? >> I love Greek mythology. >> Oh god. >> Isn't that the story? I believe so. >> Narciss narcissist. He said that's how it happened. You

Brian Atlasdon't >> He fell in love with his own reflection. >> Good for him. >> I don't know. Then there's some [ __ ] about daffodils. I don't know anything about that. What the [ __ ] >> But just because someone thinks they're a 10 doesn't mean they think they're prettier than somebody else.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Can you speak into the mic, please? >> Just because somebody says that they're a 10. >> I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Lauren. >> Sorry. >> Just >> Can you speak into the mic, please, if you're going to speak?

Lauren (29, healer)>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what was it? >> I wasn't the only one who also called myself a 10. So, also >> That's true.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Yeah. >> And so, I I'm raising a son. I would want him to think of himself the same way. >> They're allowed to be confident. >> Mhm. >> Uh well, I think confidence would

Brian Atlasactually point more towards being like, "Oh, yeah. I think I'm averagel looking and I'm comfortable with that." I think that's more confident than delusion.

Lauren (29, healer)But I think that how I measure attraction is like from a holistic level. So that's just how I view myself as a partner, as a mother, but I'm also

Brian Atlassomeone who does lots of selfwork on myself as well. So >> Okay. Uh what is the min minimum yearly income to be uh to be your future husband?

Taran (Deadly P)>> Um I put 150 to 300K. >> Okay. What about you? >> Um 75K. What about you?

Taran (Deadly P)>> I think I said 7K or 1K or >> I don't know what I put >> 41. Does that ring a bell? I don't know. Um, what about you? >> I think I said 65.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Okay. What about you? >> Um, 6 billion. [laughter] >> Is it billion? >> Yep. >> What did you write, Elon Musk?

SPEAKER_01>> Six of a billion. I don't know. >> Ah, that that's funny. [snorts] Um, what about you? I think I said equal to me, so like 30,000. >> Okay. Uh, YouTube.

Miriam>> Um, I mean, ranges like I went from like 50 to 100K. >> Uh, well, I don't care as long as he's independent. I I make my own money.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> If he wants babies, that's another story, but >> All right. Uh, would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on I >> [laughter] >> A bear.

Miriam>> What about you? >> A man. A man. >> Bear. >> Bear. >> A man. >> A man. >> A man. >> He'll get mad at me. I put a human male

Brian Atlasin a bear suit. [laughter] >> Uh, why do you pick bear? Why do you pick bear? >> I love wildlife. >> What about you, Lauren? Why is that?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I think Yeah, same. I could just >> you you like wildlife. That's the uh answer

Brian Atlasor whatever. >> Yeah. Uh is there a concern about well, you know, in the instance where either the bear or the man is aggressive. >> Uh yes, the bear will kill you, but the man could do worse. Is that kind of also

Brian Atlasa component? >> Yeah, I would rather be slaughtered than raped. So, >> Gotcha. Yeah. [clears throat] Um, >> and I I mean I think that uh I think that that's a fair conclusion. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> In terms of how you want to go out, I I don't object to that. I guess >> my confusion here a little bit is uh the risk profile of a a given encounter with

Brian Atlasa bear versus a given encounter with a with a man. So given that you've made a determination that you'd rather pick bear over man, I guess what percentage

Lauren (29, healer)of men uh do you think would be inclined to victimize you in that way? >> Victimize me. >> Yeah. Well, you said >> one in four women are in abusive relationships. So one in four men. Yeah.

Brian AtlasSo like >> that is absolutely not how statistics work whatsoever. But so you think because one in four women are in abusive relationships, which by the way, what is what do we talk about when we use the word abuse?

Brian AtlasUm you think that would translate to one in four men are abusers. So 25%. >> Or is it higher even? >> Um

Latriceyeah, I mean that's just what the statistics show on >> the statistics show that one in four men are abusers. Oh no. One in four women are in abusive relationships. >> Yeah. But even when they said one in

Latricefour women, they didn't discuss, they never disclosed who is the perpetrators. And in those one in four and the ratio between as far as domestic violence between men and women are actually even. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> So that's >> So would this mean that uh one in four women are abusers also? >> Then maybe. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Then maybe. Okay. Um h uh what I guess moving off of the

Brian Atlasabusive relationships or whatever. >> Uh but to my question though uh you said that there's the the fear of like essay rape. >> Yeah. >> What percentage of men do you think would in this scenario would rape a

Lauren (29, healer)woman? >> Um I don't know >> if you had to guess. >> I I don't know. Okay. Um, you can't even do an

Brian Atlasapproximation. You think it's 5%, 10%, 20%. >> I would say like 20%. >> Okay. 20%. What about you? >> Um,

Nyx15%, I don't know. >> Okay. [laughter] >> I was thinking of this billboard that I saw on the freeway that said Uber gets a call about sexual harassment every 8 minutes. That's

Brian AtlasI don't know, >> every eight minutes. >> Just a billboard I saw on the freeway. Guys, don't go. >> Entry of over [snorts] 300 million people. >> And that's just Uber drivers. >> Yeah, I get that.

Brian Atlas>> And I wasn't even going with that argument either. >> You weren't going with the argument. >> No, genuinely, I just wanted >> You want the the cuddly Yogi bear. >> There was no that wasn't a trick answer. I just >> Yeah, I guess um just for you two I I

Brian Atlaswould the question I would ask if we were to reframe this question and instead of making it about gender, we were to make it about race. If I if I won't say I, but if somebody were um if

Brian Atlaswe swap it and we say, would you rather come across a black person or a random bear and the person picks bear over black person, would you think that they're racist?

Lauren (29, healer)>> Wait, what? Can you repeat the question? I just said it and >> Oh, I don't know. I don't want to comment on race. >> You don't want to comment on race? >> Yeah, I I don't know cuz I'm confused

Brian Atlaswith the question. >> Okay, then I'll repeat it and you can tell me if you can parse it. >> Uh, so if we were to change So the the question was, would you rather cross paths with a random man or random bear

Brian Atlason a hike? If we just replace random man with random black person. >> So it could be a random black woman or a random black man. If somebody were to

Brian Atlaspick the random bear over the random black person, would you think that that answer is racist? >> They pick the man over the bear.

Brian Atlas>> No, they they pick the bear over the black person.

Lauren (29, healer)Is it black man or like men and women? >> Person. >> So that could be a man or white. >> Do they switch their answers? >> Choosing a bear. >> Choosing the bear.

Brian Atlas>> Is he racist? >> If would you think if somebody picks bear >> Yeah. >> over a black person, do you think that that would >> Are you sexist? >> Racist. >> Are you sexist? Am I sexist?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> No. Guys, don't muddy the waters. >> That's what you want. Don't muddy the waters, though. She's already having difficulty comprehending it. >> Yeah. >> The question,

Brian Atlas>> do would you find that to be racist to pick the bear over black person?

Nyx>> I don't know. I I'm going to opt out of this question. So, >> okay. What about you? >> Well, I feel like now you've changed the question. You said person now. So, you've changed the implication of what you're asking. >> I always said person. I didn't say black

Nyxman. I said black person. >> No, the original question was man or bear. Now you've changed to person. >> I did change the question because it's a new question. >> Yeah. So I think but

Brian Atlas>> you can still answer the new question. I don't I've asked multiple questions tonight. I don't understand why there's difficulty parsing this. >> I'm I understand perfectly. But okay. Um

Nyxto choose a black person period. I feel like there's definitely implications, but I don't think it inherently has any bearing on race. >> To pick the bear? >> Yeah. >> So, you don't think that that would be racist?

Brian Atlas>> What's the question you're really asking? >> I That is the question I'm asking. What is the question you think I'm asking? >> Because I feel like elephant in the room. Everyone knows what the man or

Brian Atlasbear question is about. Like, >> what is it about? >> Rape, sexual assault. That's >> well it could be a generalized fear that women have of men. >> And I'm wondering though the ultimately

Brian Atlaswhat I am getting at is if it is okay to have a general as a woman to have a generalized fear of men, >> then what objection could you possibly

Brian Atlashave to white people or really any race having a generalized fear of another race? Could you ever have an objection? And I think a lot of you would object.

Brian AtlasIf a white person had a generalized fear of black people, you would probably say that that's racist. Why would it then not be the case that your generalized fear of men is sexist?

Latrice>> Yeah, >> that's what I'm getting at. >> Because we could argue the same situation as far as schools. A lot of teachers that tend to be, you know, touching, diddling kids are female teachers. Yet, we're not generalizing

Latricewomen. were instead still generalizing men as far as you know essay or assault in any kind. >> What if it's about their experience? >> What do you mean? What do you mean go into that? What do you mean? >> Like if you've had experience with a man

Taran (Deadly P)that's tried to do that or like you've been in an abusive relationship and it's only been men that's done it to you >> and it's only been men that's done it to you. Like you could have that fear. >> That's no excuse. I I've been a victim

Latriceof essay by by males. That doesn't make me change the fact that not every man is like that. But people react differently to trauma. >> It's no excuse. We still shouldn't be

Latricegeneral. We should not generalize men for something that a very small percentage is doing. The same way that we cannot generalize women for domestic violence, especially in lesbian couples.

LatriceWe cannot generalize that when it comes down to women as far as being teachers. >> But that doesn't mean you're not going to have the fear from it. Like >> I don't stereotypes are bad period. Like the question is the question is so is

Brian Atlasyour >> is your criteria for what justifies fear? So, you said, "What if I had a bad experience?" And then you might even double up on that and you might say,

Brian Atlas"And there's it's not just I had a bad experience. There's statistics. Huh? [laughter] You can hide it."

Brian AtlasSo, anecdotal, you have your own bad experience and then you can point to statistics. Women can say, "I had a bad experience with a man." And then men commit these

Brian Atlascrimes more often. Therefore, I feel justified in my my fear. And it's it goes beyond just the fear because women it's not just like an intern I think to

Brian Atlassome degree it's okay to have like some internal individualistic experience. However, when you start creating what I believe to in essence be anti-male

Brian Atlaspropaganda anti and creating anti anti-male bias throughout society uh endorsing misandry

Brian Atlasendorsing [snorts] sexism and there's quite a bit of that online. I think we get into a different territory where we are essentially crossing into

Brian Atlas>> sexism. >> Sexism. But so I guess my my argument here is there's no dispute. There's no doubt that many women have had bad experiences with men. I'm sure the women

Brian Atlashere at this table have had bad experiences with men. I don't doubt you. And that's terrible that that happened and I wish it didn't. However, I think we [clears throat] can't do this

Brian Atlascollective blame, this collective guilt thing of mapping onto all men or most men

Brian Atlaseither what you've seen in statistics added to your own bad experiences. Again, I wish that these bad things never happened. They're terrible. I'm

Brian Atlassorry that they happened. However, if if the standard for having these sentiments towards men is I had a bad experience, I'm justified. There's statistics I can point to. Men

Brian Atlascommit these crimes more than women. I'm justified. What is stopping a white person who's had, say, a bad experience with a black

Brian Atlasperson and they can point to crime statistics? What is stopping them from justifying racism under your framework? Nothing.

Taran (Deadly P)>> Well, I didn't say I was. It's just human nature. Like you could have a fear of that. You could be white and have black people that have had stuff happen to you. Like that's just human nature. Like you might

Taran (Deadly P)be traumatized from that. But I mean let's say like you haven't had any experiences but you still feel that way. I would feel like that's a little different. or you've had those experiences and you go through therapy

Brian Atlaslike people react differently to different things is what I'm saying. >> Well, I I there's no people cope and deal with trauma in various ways. I'm not saying that it's

Brian Atlasyou just need to if you have something bad that happens to you that I don't think I'm make I'm saying that you should I'm more so talking about like the

Brian Atlasoutward manifestations of this and it seems to me like in society we've made a determination well if you're a white person just because a black person has done something bad to you and there's crime statistics that indicate that

Brian Atlasblack people commit more crimes than white people that doesn't give white people justification to have racist sentiment towards black people. I would never, you know, I think

Brian Atlaspeople need to be judged as individuals. So, just because you're black, that doesn't mean that you should be uh discriminated against or anything like that or somebody should have racial hatred towards you. No, I reject that.

Brian AtlasBut what I see happening in society is that women are saying, "I had a bad thing happen to me. A guy did it. Look at these crime statistics. men commit this crime more

Brian Atlasoften than women do. And there are some disputes as to the statistics, but even granting them, okay, I'm just going to be a [ __ ] misanderrist. I'm going to hate men. I'm going to be sexist. And I think that

Brian Atlasthat's a really bad I think that's bad for society. I think it's bad for the individual woman even if it might be some sort of uh I don't know if coping mechanism is the

Brian Atlasright word or some sort of what's that term for what's that word for uh it's evading me. It doesn't really matter but um yeah I don't know.

Taran (Deadly P)>> So what you're saying is like overall sexist and not just like being afraid. Uh, I don't understand what you mean. >> Cuz when you were talking about like

Taran (Deadly P)earlier when you first brought it up, it kind of sounded like that. >> Sounded like what? >> Well, when they said like you would be afraid of them, like a guy would rape you or something like that. Like it's

Brian Atlaskind of how it started. Well, the the bear scenario, I guess the the idea here with a bear is if you pick bear, but you would be you would object to

Brian Atlasuh a white person picking a bear over a black person. Then you then and you might you might label it racist, for example. You would then have to examine

Brian Atlaslogically why it's okay in one scenario but not okay in the other. And so essentially it points to if it's racist then it's

Brian Atlasprobably sexist. Like if there's a statement that you can make about men and you replace men with women and it becomes sexist you should probably take a look at your original statement again

Brian Atlasagainst men. If you say something about black people and it's racist or how about no hold on sorry I got that mixed up. If you say something about

Brian Atlaswhite people and if you were to say that same thing about black people and you would say that oh that's problematic, that's racist, >> then >> it might be the it might be the case.

LatriceWell, it is the case >> that what you said about white people is also objectionable. >> That's what I'm trying to get at. Yeah, because there there is an actual double

Latricestandard where you know this whole I I think honestly this this whole man versus bear thing is just extremely ridiculous. You know this just this whole trend started off and it ended up

Latricebecoming more so misandressed and the idea that we are generalizing one whole group as far as you know when

Latriceit comes down to biological sex but then it then changes you know when it comes down to race because it's automatically frowned upon if if basic if white people

Latricejust said hey I'm afraid of a black person just because they are there's only 13% of us and committing more than 50% of the crimes. So they find that as

Latricean excuse to look at black people a specific way. But yet if they said that which is quote unquote justified on their end, what ends up happening is

Latricethat it still comes off as racist. But when it comes down to women having these discussions, talking about, "Oh, I'd rather choose the bear over the man," it it's going to come off as sexist because you're generalizing a whole group, but

Latriceyou're generalizing men assuming that that's how they all are. Even with the slogan that I keep hearing, that's BS, by the way. It's not always men. It's not all men, but it's always a man.

LatriceLike, I I don't understand the concept of this. Not all men are like this. And and that's something that really needs to I think this whole trend or that whole thing eventually just I wish it would just die down.

Miriam>> Yeah. >> Can I also add that ironically all the women who pick the bear, they are still going on dates with random men they don't know. >> Mhm. >> Um the other thing is they always assume

Miriamthat the bear would kill them as in like he would have a sharp knife and just cut off the head. That's not going to happen. He will he may just chew part of your leg and leave you alone. Like he may do something harmful,

Latriceinjuring you, but just leaving you alone and he would be just struggling for hours, maybe days or I don't know, God knows how long. >> May I add a horrific fun fact about bears? They will literally eat you while you're still alive. They will rip you

Brian Atlasapart >> while you're still living. Some women uh I'm pretty sure some women died recently from a bear attack >> in California actually. >> From a black bear, by the way, Brian, >> which they often say is the harmless one. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> That's the bear you don't have to worry about. Uh Nyx, going to some of your notes that I have here. Uh we're going to wrap up on the bear race convo soon, but in the previous podcast, you said

Brian Atlasyou hate white people. >> Oh, elaborate. >> Yeah. Hm. What do you want to say? >> And you said it's not racist.

Nyx>> I didn't say that. >> I mean, one of my researchers, Do you want to clarify then if that's not what you said? >> Clarify what? >> Well, what did you say last time you were on the show? >> I said I hate white people and I was trying to be sarcastic, but watching

Brian Atlasback, I understand that the sarcasm didn't land with the panel. >> What? I don't understand the sarcasm, though. >> I explained it last time, too. >> Okay. But so, do you or do you not hate

Brian Atlaswhite people? No, not in that sense. No. >> In what sense do you hate white people? >> I don't. [laughter] >> That's the point. >> Okay. Um, >> I was making Never mind. >> Well, um, do you think it would be

Brian Atlasracist to call a white person the C word? >> What's the C word? >> I can't say it because we're on the YouTube and Twitch and >> I don't know what word is. >> It's uh something you eat. Something you eat.

Nyx>> Um, >> yeah. Do you think it's racist? >> Is it racist? Yeah, >> I think it's definitely insensitive. >> Well, is it racist? >> I don't know. I'm not white. I can't say if it's racist to, you know,

Brian Atlas>> you're not black. If I were to drop the n-word right now, would you think that that's racist? >> Well, we have two black people here that disagree on whether or not it's racist. So, >> but you do you think it's racist? >> I'm not a black person. I can't speak on that. >> What? >> Yes. Wait. You can Hold on.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. I can't speak on >> Wait. One quick question. One quick question before I have you jump in, Latrice. Okay. Um, have you ever had an abortion? >> No. >> Do you have a position on abortion?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. So, you can have a position on something even if you haven't experienced it or >> Sure. >> Okay. So, you're not a black person. Like for example, I'm white. I don't

Brian Atlasthink people should call black like I don't think white people should call black people the n-word. >> Either I don't think anyone should use that word. >> But I think Okay. I think it would be racist for a white person to uh call

Brian Atlassomebody call, excuse me, call a black person the n word. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Especially with a hard R. >> Does the cword have like any historical connotation to it or not? I don't know. >> Sure. I'm willing to for the sake of the

Brian Atlasconvo, I'm absolutely willing to grant that that there's different levels of severity to certain words and there's absolutely historical context as it relates to uh the n-word and black

Brian Atlaspeople. And I'm prepared to say, yeah, saying the nword to a black person, I think it's more severe than saying the cword to a white person. However, that's not the question. >> Is it actually a bad word?

Nyx>> It's not a question. It's not a question of of severity. It's a question of whether it meets the threshold of racism or not. >> I think I think severity kind of goes hand in hand with is it racist or not because that's why I said it's

Nyxdefinitely insensitive, but it's definitely less severe than the nword. So that's why I don't know if it's racist. >> I don't believe no one should be calling anybody a racial slur. >> Sure. Go ahead. >> Right. I mean, is it a racial slur? >> Being black, I don't think that it

Taran (Deadly P)changes anything. I mean, there is a severity level, but it still is racist. Like I've never heard anybody say the cword to a white person in a non-racist way. Like would you going to come up and say what's up seaw word? Like you're not

Taran (Deadly P)going to just randomly call somebody that and you're specifically only calling white people that. And a lot of the times people mean to do harm. Like I have never in my life met somebody who

Taran (Deadly P)has said that word with non-malicious intent. And even if like even if the severity is different, it still is racist and that can still affect somebody. M

Brian Atlas>> anything. >> No, >> I didn't like the names that people were calling my husband. >> Okay. >> And it was pretty messed up. >> Uh what about like in other cultures? So

Brian Atlaslike let's say a white person went to Japan or something. Uh, and the Japanese, I don't know if I'm allowed to say it, but uh, the Japanese have a word

Brian Atlasfor white people, I guess, uh, that that is unequivocally an offensive slur for Westerners, I guess, white people. Um, would you consider that racist?

Brian Atlas>> I don't Wait, what is the word? >> It's the Nobody's going to know it, but it's a It starts with the letter K. I I it's probably fine for me to say it, but

NyxI'd rather not just to be >> it's I just again like I feel like severity still goes in with like is it insensitive or is it racist? I don't even know what this word is. I I don't know what you're talking about. >> Slur, you don't need to know the word

Latriceand then >> it's not gene. It's not gene. >> I know what you're talking about, but I I guess I could throw something in there that in Japan there's actual places and establishments that do not allow anybody

Nyxother than just their own to be in there. Do you find that racist? >> Yeah. Well, what's the word for it? Is it xenophobic where you're like, you don't like other people from your that aren't from your country, period? >> Yeah. >> That's what I think that that is.

Latrice>> But what about when white people only let white people into things you don't consider that racist? Cuz we all say >> Yeah. No, I I would consider all I would consider that >> Yeah, I would I would not argue that any of that doing any of those things are

Brian Atlasracist. >> Here, really quick. Um, so your your uh family your your family's origination is from the Philippines? >> Yes. >> Do you speak Tagalague? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Do you know if there's a like a word in Tagalague that might be a slur for white people? >> I have no idea. >> Okay. Um, in any case, if here I'll just use the Japan example then. Uh, if I'm

Brian Atlasin Japan and white people have no systemic power in Japan, [clears throat] the government is run by ethnic Japanese people, they run the media, they run the

Brian Atlascorporations, white people have no uh power in Japan. Uh, if a Japanese person walks up to me while I'm in Japan

Brian Atlasand calls me the slur that I was referencing earlier, would you consider that racist? for Japanese person. >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Sure. Okay. Uh interesting. Uh what about if I'm uh would this apply like if I was in uh in China and they had their own slur for white people? >> Sure.

Nyx>> I don't know. Are you When you say sure, it seems like you are begrudgingly agreeing a little bit >> because we're circling back to the conversation we had the first time and I don't want to do that again because we already had the conversation. >> Well, we we cover the Okay. Okay. Well,

Nyxyou're here now and I'm asking it. >> Yeah. And I'm allowed to not like participating in this conversation. So, I'm still having this conversation with you. >> Oh my god. Um

Brian Atlash what about I guess final question on this? Uh if we were in uh

Brian Atlasif I was in an African country and I don't know they were had uh c can uh black people in African country be racist towards white people? >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Is that your genuine >> Yeah. >> Okay. What's with the attitude? >> There's no attitude. I'm answering your question. I mean, it just seems a bit >> dismissive. That's

Brian Atlas>> if that if that's your genuine if that's your genuine position. Um, okay. >> Yeah, >> I have more notes for you, but I'm going to get to those later. Um, I'm going to

Brian Atlasget into uh Lauren, some of your notes here. Uh, your notes. Uh, Lauren, on your thing, >> the question, do you have any disagreements with the show/host? And

Lauren (29, healer)you just say their entire setup. What does that mean? Yes. [laughter] >> Okay. So, um I I've obviously seen some of like the viral clips like years ago.

Lauren (29, healer)And then the other day I saw some clips on like this cuz you guys have multiple Tik Tok accounts. I feel like most shows and influencers do have that. But um the way >> we have one Tik Tok account.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Oh, you have one. Okay. So, maybe >> Yeah. >> Okay. Maybe it was a fan account. I don't know. But I found some like most recent like the most recent clips and um I didn't like the way that the debates

Lauren (29, healer)were portrayed especially like having women on the the show. The way that you guys edited the clips were you guys

Lauren (29, healer)asked them like random questions about like when was war 1812 or something like that. 1812. Um, and you guys like went around asking like irrelevant questions

Lauren (29, healer)about dating, but to set the stage of denying all their opinions once it got to that because if people were to see

Lauren (29, healer)other parts of your cuz like if they can't answer those like basic or random questions, right, then you are already setting the stage that their opinion is irrelevant because they don't even know

Lauren (29, healer)when or 1812 was, right? So, I feel like the way that that was framed already puts women in a position where you're saying like their opinions don't matter.

Lauren (29, healer)They're not even educated. Then also the blowup dolls and your previous assistant, which I don't know what happened, but she's not here today.

Lauren (29, healer)>> She is in the beginning clips like looking like um like a blonde, like crossing her eyes, sucking on a lollipop. and that's the one consistent woman that you do have on the podcast.

Lauren (29, healer)So, I also think that you're setting the stage of like your guys's opinion on women, which is completely objectified and that women should be >> quiet and submissive cuz like I don't

Lauren (29, healer)hear any hot takes from her and things like that, but that's just from an outsers's opinion from the clips that I did see when I researched the podcast. >> Sure. Okay. I'll I'll try to go one by one on those. There was a lot there, but

Brian AtlasI'll I'll try to Okay, so we'll start with the uh questions. >> First off, most of those like little rapid fire questions, that's just a fun segment to lighten the mood because sometimes the conversation can get, you

Brian Atlasknow, a little heavy with uh even if it is strictly about dating, there's obviously disagreements. So, that's a fun segment that we transition into just to kind of like ease up the tension or

Brian Atlaswhatever. But uh additionally that segment happens typically very far into the show. >> So like those questions are not asked early on to like be like oh look at these stupid women you can discount

Brian Atlaseverything that they say. It's usually no we have the conversations upfront and then towards the end of the show we do some of those fun questions. Uh in any case I also do think though as it

Brian Atlasrelates to those questions while you might think that they're a bit unfair. I think for example, if somebody can't name three countries, uh I don't think they have like a requisite knowledge. Like they probably shouldn't be allowed to vote whether you're a man or a woman.

Brian Atlas>> So if you're a man or a woman and you can't name three countries, >> I don't think you're smart enough to vote. >> Um so, >> you know, I that's that's kind of a separate conversation. Uh the dolls, you

Brian Atlasmentioned the dolls. I don't know how that's material, but what's your criticism of the the dolls? Yeah, cuz it's like it's making fun of women. Like >> how would how would you I think you view

Brian Atlasthings through like a victimhood mindset, but how how would having the dolls there be making fun of women? >> Look at the dolls. >> What What about them?

Brian Atlas>> Describe the dolls in detail. >> They One has blue hair, one has pink hair, one of [laughter] them is doing the [ __ ] Bel Deline ago face. Uh

Lauren (29, healer)okay. I >> for example our a woman on this podcast right now was also uncomfortable being clipped with adults as well. So it makes women uncomfortable

Brian Atlas>> that well this okay so we've had on over well over a thousand women on the show >> this autist over here is [laughter] is the first woman ever to have ever sent me a message like hey by the way I'm a

Brian Atlaslittle bit uncomfortable with the dolls so I don't think like a one out of like a thousand plus is a is a great sample size there >> devil's advocate what about all the women that were uncomfortable but didn't say anything >> yeah cuz I would yeah that's on them

Lauren (24)they don't speak up I you walk past. >> You don't think it's weird? >> No, >> it's weird. But why would it make >> that there? Okay. >> You What's up? >> I also don't understand why you would come on this podcast knowing that those are there. Like if you felt uncomfortable if they just don't come on

Lauren (29, healer)the podcast. >> I mean, they're in Also, they're inanimate objects. Like >> people with opposing opinions. Like that's the whole point of >> There's also like a crap ton of chicken. >> So if you know pictures, then why are you like

Lauren (24)opposing opinions? That's why I'm on here cuz they've seen my Instagram. So, you have an opposing opinion to the dolls, but like why are you making like >> Exactly. for that exact reason. >> Just for the views. >> No, no. It's because I have opposing

Lauren (29, healer)opinions on some of their rhetoric on the podcast. So, that's why I'm here. >> They're just objects. >> And that's what the whole point of debates are. And I still think there's a greater purpose to all of this. You know what I mean? >> No.

Taran (Deadly P)>> There's literally a woman with like semen dripping from her shirt. It's just weird. >> What? >> Oh, that's not Oh, is it is this spit? It looks like one of those anime girls. I don't know. It's some anime [ __ ] >> hentai. [clears throat] It's weird.

Brian Atlas>> I don't even know if that I don't even know if the h word is allowed. >> Oh, it's probably fine. >> Um, but okay. I mean, the dolls I mean, if you want the like origination story

Brian Atlasof the dolls, it's not like to to like embarrass women. The actual origination was if we ever had >> them after the show. >> Whoa.

Brian Atlas>> Huh. He's >> those two those dolls are are virgins. >> They their chastity is intact. Okay. [snorts] >> Uh by the way, it would be a [ __ ] if you

Brian Atlasdid [ __ ] a sex doll, it would be so inconvenient to like those [laughter] things are heavy and they're dead weight to drag it into the [ __ ] shower. >> Do you know? Do you Are you speaking from experience? >> No, but

Brian Atlas>> you seem very passionate about that. >> Nick, if I recall, [ __ ] moved. Those dolls are heavy as [ __ ] >> Ridiculously heavy. >> Like it is so I don't know why I don't even know why a man would buy a sex doll. They're so [ __ ] inconvenient.

Brian Atlas>> And it's like I got low back problems. I'm not trying to lift some [ __ ] heavy ass [ __ ] doll. Anyways, >> but the origination of those was actually when I first started the show, they actually would sit at the table because we would get people who cancel.

Brian AtlasSo we would actually scoot the dolls in. Now we don't do it because it's just like [ __ ] whatever. Uh we would scoot the dolls in if somebody was like not here and they would actually just sit at the table just as like kind of a funny

Brian Atlasmeme so we could like make the tape play solder so we can make the table look full. Uh also it's just kind of a like it's kind of a you know in music

Brian Atlas>> and this relates to the Felicity thing. Do you know in music what a hook is? You sing, right? Don't or who was the singer? >> Sorry that's you. a hook [laughter] that's like at the beginning of the song

Brian Atlasthere's like something like a melody >> is the intro >> the hook is what the chorus >> chorus is different than hook >> oh you mean like the very beginning >> the hook is something that hooks you in

Brian Atlasright and so it was like okay if I have clips out there I have a podcast and it's like look it's how many [ __ ] podcasts are there's hundreds of podcasts how do you differentiate yourself just something unique quirky

Brian Atlasthat stands out what the [ __ ] are and so so somebody comes across a whatever clip, their first time ever seeing a clip. >> Yo, what the [ __ ] is that in the background? And even if that buys me another 10 seconds of their attention,

Brian Atlas>> they can listen to the conversation. And that gives me an opportunity to get them, >> oh, okay, this is interesting convo, but they wouldn't have gotten to that point

Brian Atlashad I not presented to them a spectacle as an enabling factor to hook them in. And so, similar to Felicity, I have her I've actually only done that for two episodes where she stood in the front.

Brian AtlasAnd by the way, we parted ways with Felicity. Um, no drama, no beef. Wish her the best. Um, I use that as a hook. So, the very first thing you see is her doing like, by the

Brian Atlasway, that's not the hey gal. She just knows how to cross her eyes and make it go. It's That's innocent. >> I thought there was a talent. >> Yeah. She just crosses her eyes or whatever. That's the hook. Oh, what the [ __ ] Why is this girl doing this weird [ __ ] thing? Boom. Hook.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> To be fair, Brian, blue hair girl's been around in the game a lot longer than pink hair. >> That is true. The the blue one was the first and then the pink hair came around after episode 100. So, >> and you're not dressing them overly

Brian Atlassexual. Like, >> yeah, they're wearing a porn shirt. >> That's the other one's wearing a [ __ ] Arby's t-shirt and a [laughter] >> to reference her vagina.

Brian Atlas>> So, anyways. Anyways, um, okay. So, there's the dolls, Felicity, questions, the entire setup. Uh, do you think do you think the show is or or me even is >> misogynistic?

Lauren (29, healer)>> Be for real. No, I I'm thinking cuz I mean obviously I have a different opinion after being here. You know what I mean? >> So, >> well, what was your opinion going in? That was my first impression and then right now I'm undecided because I haven't.

Brian Atlas>> You love the show. Now you're coming back. [laughter] >> But uh Okay. >> But going in you thought it was Miss Look. >> Yeah. >> But >> I'm very Let me just say this. I'm very

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