She HIDES Being TRÂNS?! Single Mom DEMANDS Men Pay For Babysitter?! MlSANDRlST?! | Dating Talk 274

Date: 2025-12-22

Duration: 9h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLauren (Healer)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Taran (Deadly P)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lauren (29, healer)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Latrice(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nyx(guest)

SPEAKER_12Lauren (24)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Miriam(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced including trans woman and Saudi magician

Key MomentMiriam performs close-up card trick - first female magician on Whatever

Key MomentBrian reveals Taran is trans. Panel reacts.

Key MomentTaran's viral boat kiss + lie detector clip played

ControversyLauren-29 requires men pay babysitter ($60-150) for first date

Key MomentLauren's relationship price list displayed on screen

QuoteTaran says 'Country Texas' when asked to name a country

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Taran (trans woman) and Miriam (Saudi magician).

Taran Trans Reveal + Viral Videos

Brian reveals Taran is trans. Boat kiss video and lie detector played.

Lauren Single Mom Babysitter Requirement

Lauren requires men pay babysitter for first dates. Extended debate.

Lauren Price List

$50 per like on another girl, $100 per DM, $2000 for texting ex.

Self-Ratings

Lauren-29 rates herself 10. Miriam rates herself ~2.

Man vs Bear

Most choose bear. Brian draws racism parallel.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing. Most debate submission.

Taran: 'Country Texas'

Taran says 'Country Texas' when asked to name a country.

Transcript

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Brian Atlason. >> The video the video you you Okay, so you had a date scheduled with this guy. Was it a first date? >> Yes, but we've already met and like talked and like that. We met at like a pool. >> So basically, uh how soon like it was an hour before the date? How when did he

Brian Atlascancel? >> Two hours before. >> Two hours before. Okay. And then he felt bad and he sent you 400. Yeah. >> And did you you sent it back or you kept it? >> I did send it back. >> Did he send it back? No. >> Okay. So, so

Lauren (29, healer)>> because >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I because I felt like it was in that moment I felt like it would be more powerful to send it back and just say just don't cancel another single mom like that quickly. >> You It was about sending a message. >> Yeah.

Lauren (29, healer)>> It was about the principle >> because like he's like a wealthy guy. Like he probably like women are like, "Oh, you sure whatever." Like I'll take your money and like you what you did was fine. I was like, "What you did was not

Lauren (29, healer)fine because it was two hours before." Like, at least gave me like a 24-hour notice. >> I see. >> But it's all the things that like women think about, not like women in general think about so much before a date,

Lauren (29, healer)>> but a single mom, like I have to schedule a sitter, I have to do all these things. So, it's like I if things cancel last minute, it's not only like my schedule that's messed up, it's my

Lauren (29, healer)sitter schedule that's messed up. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um Okay. And um did you end up going on a date with him? >> No, but like down the road. >> No. And the whole reason that we didn't

Lauren (29, healer)do that is because we literally lived in different states. Like we just didn't see anything happen. And I was going to go to um East Asia. So >> I see. And then

Brian Atlas>> you know I wonder if we do you have uh >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Two images, Nick. Two images. You also have like a a [ __ ] price list or something.

Brian Atlas>> I do. >> Uh we're going to pull that up. [laughter] >> Can you zoom in on that a little bit, Nick? So, this is if you're I guess dating a guy. >> Yeah. I have a higher price list, though, too. I have two different >> You have Oh, you should have sent us the

Lauren (29, healer)higher one, though. >> Okay. This is the lower one. I did it. >> Can Can you read each of those options for the audience? >> If you like a girl's video, See, this is how my prenup would look, too, by the way. Um, but if you like a girl's photo

Lauren (29, healer)or video, $50 per like. If you DM a girl, it's a hundred bucks. If you're caught in a lie, 200 bucks. If you're best friends with a girl, $500 each. >> Oh, [ __ ] >> If you unblock, no. If you want to be unblocked, it's a,000.

Brian Atlas>> Oh. >> And texting an ex is 2,000. >> You got to I charge, >> but that's depends on tax brackets. There's two different ones. >> I charge 5,000 for an unblock. >> Can you send those to >> So, those are those are rookie numbers. [laughter] You got to pump those numbers up. >> Well, yeah, you have to pull up my other

Brian Atlasone. So, I said it to you. >> If it was like her situation, >> what what would have been the price list for for like if it was a dude doing that [ __ ] >> I don't think >> it's over. >> Um, >> like hanging out with a co-orker at

Brian Atlasnight. >> Um, if he hung out with a cooworker, I would consider that a girl best friend. And then I would >> What's the price for that? >> I would have to. >> And then next photo. Next photo though. >> Normalize charging men for [ __ ] in

Lauren (29, healer)2025. >> Yeah, that's actually a good idea. I love that. I believe it. The only cuz see men respect >> money more than women. So I feel like >> if you hold them accountable

Lauren (29, healer)>> and you put a price on something. >> Yeah. Because like once you hold them accountable you're like no like I'm not going to let you get away with this. And I think that they'll actually like listen. >> I you know I do the same thing actually. I charge women for [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> How does that work for you? >> I charge women for [ __ ] and I'm going to collect today. I'm going to collect today Lauren. So, uh, you know, I kind of have to wait until, uh, Kamiya's back at the table for this one.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Ladies, do not do this. Do not set us back. I'm working so hard to make sure that we don't pay men money. Yeah. >> But I will say I will say,

Lauren (29, healer)[laughter] >> bro, he just wants to catch a >> Leave her alone. Please, >> bro. He need that. Need that. >> Leave her alone. >> So, okay. >> Harassment though. >> No. Yeah, at this point. Is there HR?

Brian Atlas>> I consent. I feel like there should be HR. >> Uh, yeah. Okay, Nick, what do you think? >> Yeah, we're good. We're chill. >> So, uh, [laughter] all right. So, you know, nobody hears a sex worker, right?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> W [ __ ] W. >> But whatever podcast uh has been what what's that term? Typ cast a little bit. I don't know if that's exactly the right word. Stereotyped. Oh, you only bring on

Brian Atlasonly Only Fans, girls. The majority of our guests actually don't do Only Fans. Maybe on a on a panel. Sometimes we have one or two. Many times none. Sometimes more. We've had more, sometimes three,

Brian Atlasfour. But uh mostly it's uh Yeah. You know, so no Only Fans girls here tonight. >> Does selling feet pics count? >> Yes. >> You shouldn't have said that [ __ ] because [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> that's kind of sex worker t a little bit sex worker territory. Yeah, it is because the guy's >> We know what it's for. It's like sexuality. >> So, but even though none of y'all are

Brian Atlasinvolved in sex work, I'd like to do this role reversal with the women who are sex workers where you know, but even like, let me ask this. Who here has had

Brian Atlaslike a guy just randomly send you money for no [ __ ] reason? >> Like some simp. Here's a hundred bucks, 20 bucks, whatever it is. >> Well, what do you think about the for >> Oh, you've definitely gotten money from

Brian Atlasfrom from dudes just sending you money, I'm sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. And like on social media cuz I'm a single mom, so sometimes they just like to help me out. >> Yeah. I didn't mean to interrupt you though. You said, "What about You were about to say >> Oh, cuz like my situation, I don't know

Brian Atlasif that was for no reason, but it was kind of like he wanted like incentive >> the 400. Um, has it you got money? Have you ever gotten money from a dude, sent you money, paid for your rent, this sort

Taran (Deadly P)of thing?" more like he saw me well a couple me [ __ ] men [laughter] see me on the street and they'd be like can I give you some money to hang out with me and I'll be like yeah >> [ __ ] you too >> oh sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry

SPEAKER_06sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry what the [ __ ] [laughter] >> um >> YEAH [ __ ] WE WILL BOTH MATCH YOU what [laughter]

Taran (Deadly P)>> um sorry um okay so on the street guys are just like here's some Ash. >> Yeah. Like I'd be walking down, oh my god, you so beautiful. Sometimes guys try and follow me and then it's like you

Taran (Deadly P)got to bring the taser out and it's like >> the taser money. Yeah. >> Like guys, like it's like it's mainly in LA though. Like I could be walking down the street and they'd be like, "Are you

Taran (Deadly P)a sex worker?" No. >> Can Can I give you money for this? >> No. Go on the street and go find a hoe. [laughter] >> Find a hoe on the street. Okay. Uh, have you ever been sent money by like a s or

Brian Atlassomething? >> Um, they've offered. I said no. >> They've offered, but you've turned it down. You've been You sold feet pics? [laughter] >> Um, no. But >> what's your shoe size, by the way? >> He's inquiring. He wants to know. >> Okay.

Lauren (29, healer)>> You said women's. I actually um I can wear kids. I don't fit men. That's not fair. >> Uh, have you has a Has a S ever sent you money? >> My feet are [laughter] big. >> Really? >> What about you? You two. Has a guy like ever just s and sent you money? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> All right. So, you know, regardless, um, I like to do a role reversal, though. >> Typically, it's with the the the the workers, you know, where because they

Brian Atlashave such a frequency of men just sending the money, just sing. But even normal girls who don't do sex work, guys will sometimes just simp.

Brian AtlasSo, tonight on the Whatever podcast, >> you're going to simp >> What the >> What the [ __ ] Excuse. Hold on. [laughter]

Lauren (29, healer)>> Wait. You want us to do that? >> But what does s even mean? >> To simp. Like to to >> to goon to [laughter] go >> to do too much. >> To love like actually love women or like

Lauren (29, healer)women. I feel like men who do that like you don't even have to question if they're straight or not. They obviously just love women. >> They can they might be straight but they

Brian Atlasmight be cucks too. But the the role reversal is women for the longest time have been receiving

Brian Atlasmoney. Some you maybe it's dinners, maybe it's whatever stakes. Sometimes girls just get sent stakes and [ __ ] I don't know. Like frozen steaks. Read >> this. They get sent. You just get sent

Brian Atlasstuff. You get free stuff. You get, you know, >> guys will just buy you [ __ ] Whatever. >> Yeah. They'll just give you money. This is your opportunity to show the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy. Take a stand as strong independent women. I want all of you to to reverse that [ __ ] It shouldn't be this one

Brian Atlasdirectional thing. I want you women right now >> then wear a dress first >> to to go get to to go get your wallets. >> I have no cash. >> And I'd like some cash, please.

Brian Atlas>> I have no cash. That is not that is not what the >> Hold on. Who among you as a true feminist can sit here >> I'm not a feminist >> and get your work >> I'm I'm not a feminist

Brian Atlas>> and bestow upon me >> I'm a starving college student. I'm a starving college. >> I'm a star I'm a starving artist. Who here will give me a bit of money? >> The circumstances here are starkly different. You cannot even compare these

Taran (Deadly P)two. >> How about this? Let's start with this. Who here has cash? Who has cash on them? Cash. Cash. Cash. Cash. Cash. Will you give me some cash? >> No. I don't need this. >> You keep saying that you're [laughter] college student.

Taran (Deadly P)>> Put this on. >> I'm a student in three different schools. >> Can you put this on? [laughter] >> I'll give you cash. >> No, I'm good. >> No. No. Cuz I mean, that's what we're doing. >> No, you keep saying that you're a college student. I'm a student in three different schools. Like, I'm doing a lot of things and I need to pay for my

Brian Atlasthing. So, as an independent woman, as a feminist, >> God, who does >> I'm going to do what I need for me as a woman. >> I I love that. I messed it into Will you give Will you give me You have some cash. Can you give me some cash? >> No. >> Don't set us back.

Brian Atlas>> That doesn't prove anything. >> It doesn't set women back. It It sets women forward. >> No. Because if you truly women

Brian Atlas>> don't have to give men anything. >> They don't. They don't have to give them cash or money. >> I mean, I'm not like robbing you guys, right? You don't have to do it. >> You're It's volunteer. You're

Lauren (29, healer)volunteering. So I'm not Yeah, they don't have to. No, you don't have to. >> That's not what feminism is and that's not what the patriarchy is. Us giving men money doesn't equal the playing field. >> Yeah, it does.

Taran (Deadly P)>> Well, the difference would be like it's not really changing anything because you're not my anything. You're not anything to me. It's different if we're in a relationship and I'm paying for your steak. I'm paying for you to go do some nails. >> You know, we have

Lauren (29, healer)>> I'm just feeling >> Yeah, it's a long show. the way that men pay for dates. Like women also like how much is an eyehadow palette? How much is like her nails? That's why men like pay for dates and things. >> You you think

Latrice>> so you look at it as more as a transaction. No, I don't look at it as a transaction. >> But you just you just mentioned it as a woman as a transaction. >> You just mentioned it when women are paying their way through makeup, dresses, heels, whatever that they're

Latricedoing before the date. You think that that's what that's giving back what as far as what men are doing? >> I don't know. I just think it's like, you know, women are held to a certain

Lauren (29, healer)standard to, you know, look a certain way and that costs money for us to typically men don't care about the makeup. >> Yeah. I don't go to dates with makeup on. >> I have a I have a question on this. So you're is your

Lauren (29, healer)>> money randomly >> but but you mentioned well [laughter] women spend money on XYZ so men should pay for >> is is that the only reason men should pay for dates is because >> I also think it's like you know the stakes for women to go on a date is

Brian Atlashigher than the stakes for men to go on a date. >> Well quick before before we get into that separate argument >> um you say women spend more money getting ready. Yeah. 10,000.

Brian Atlas>> That's one of the justifications for So, in a scenario where I could demonstrate that I spend more money >> uh getting ready, are you okay with a woman fully paying for the date? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, then why would that even be an argument then? >> Can you repeat the question? >> Well, essentially, if I can say like let's say I'm super wealthy, right? Because it's conceivable like let's say

Brian Atlasa guy who you would agree that a guy could go out with a woman. >> I'm not saying he's broke but he could go out with a woman who earns more money than him. >> Mhm. >> And she has a luxury taste

Brian Atlas>> and she might spend a ton of money on makeup, etc., etc., etc., right? But couldn't the reverse also be true where I'm a really high earning guy going on a date with a girl who's not broke, but

Brian Atlasshe makes $70,000 a year and I make a million and I show up to and I pick her up in a Lamborghini. >> Mhm. >> I've definitely spent more money showing

Brian Atlasup to that date than she did. >> Yeah. So, if I show up in my Lamborghini and my Rolex and my >> uh custom suit and whatever, whatever,

Brian Atlaswhatever, >> I've spent more money on, you know, in preparation showing up for that date. Should she then pay for the date even though I Well, yeah, I'll leave it at that. >> Yeah. Well, okay. And like and I that's

Brian Atlasfine, but >> but should she should she fully pay for the whole date? >> No. But I spent more money getting ready >> and then Yeah, but it's also more than that.

Lauren (29, healer)>> But I'm just examining that specific logic on that specific short because why? >> And then do you want to jump jump into like the other two? >> Yeah. So you mentioned safety. So right the the women have more at stake.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. I I sort of disagree like if if as a woman you genuinely have a fear >> that like with a I think women can have general fear but as it relates to a

Lauren (29, healer)specific guy >> if you are generally scared >> and h or this is what's at stake. You probably shouldn't go on the date. >> Well, so here's the thing. I've been in

Lauren (29, healer)DV relationships before and it's not something and that's why this matters to me. It's not something that you're going to see right away. >> Can women also commit domestic violence? >> Yes. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. 1000%. >> And if we remove like I I'll go ahead and grant that generally speaking men are physically stronger than women. Do you agree? >> Yes. >> Okay. But like with a knife for example, can a man and a woman do the same damage? >> A knife?

Brian Atlas>> Yes, >> they can. Well, >> because he has more muscles, more, you know, >> assuming the woman has enough strength >> and the knife is sharp enough. Uh, yes,

Brian AtlasI would like, okay, for example, uh, a stronger man versus a weaker woman and they both have a knife, I would tend to agree with you that the man is going to >> have a better time, >> better time. I don't know if better time is the right. He's gonna kill her prior

Brian Atlasto >> and he's probably gonna get slashed a bit. But >> yeah, >> a woman who has a knife and a man who doesn't, >> uh, I don't care if you're a man or a woman. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> If she if if your partner walks up behind you and stabs you in the neck, >> you're probably going to die regardless of the fact that women generally speaking have less strength. If a woman has a firearm, >> she can definitely she can definitely

Brian Atlaskill you. >> Yeah. So, and I guess my confusion here then is well, if your if your argument is well down the road there's a chance of domestic violence, women can also perpetrate

Lauren (29, healer)domestic violence. >> Yeah. >> And they do. >> And then that goes to my third point also because women depends on what type of relationship you want too, you know, and everyone wants different relationships, has different boundaries and has different ways that they like

Lauren (29, healer)their relationship. But for me, if I'm going to have children, >> then yes, he needs to spend more so that I know that he had he's financially stable to support a family. >> Can I ask you a question? How many how many first dates have you been on in

Brian Atlasyour entire life? >> In my entire like >> I don't need an exact number, but do you think it's over a hundred? >> No, like 30. >> 30 first dates. How many children do you have? >> One. >> Okay. >> I have a question. >> Well, you you didn't get pregnant from

Brian Atlasall the men. >> I didn't sleep with all of them. [laughter] >> Right. Yeah. Well, even even further, but this idea, I don't know if it totally makes sense if the justification

Lauren (29, healer)for men paying on first dates is you pregnancy because that's what I'm there for the date for >> get pregnant. >> No, to see if this could be a potential

Lauren (29, healer)partner. >> I'm not just dating to date. I'm seeing if that's a potential partner. So, for me, that's why my standards are the way that they are. >> Okay. So, so,

Miriam>> so I Yeah, I agree with her response, but it looked like you wanted to come in. >> Yeah. Uh, so I I totally agree with that point. I did have um dates where we split and I had dates where I totally

Miriampaid because I put my card and he didn't put his and I ended up paying for the full um bill, whatever. Um and the last time that happened um he actually said

Miriamthat he wants kids. I want I want kids, too. Um, and he had a number. He's like, "He wants five kids." >> Um, and then he didn't even pay. And when I went home, I was like, like, "What the hell are you sitting here?" Like, "Oh, he even took the leftovers."

Miriam[laughter] >> Oh, no. >> Oh, and yours. >> Oh my god. >> He took your leftovers. >> Well, he took the leftover for like everything. [laughter] >> And so it got me thinking, you know, like if I got

Miriam>> He didn't He didn't pay. >> He didn't pay. I paid. >> You paid for the whole thing? >> Yeah. I I had only 150 in my bank account. It was 120. Oh, he also picked the restaurant, too. And I was like, I don't want to whatever. >> Um, and so when I went back home

Miriamdiggers, too, >> right? So, when I went back home, I was like, hold on a second. If I'm if I'm looking for a man >> to have children with, >> why would I be okay with like them not paying, you know, like if you also want

Miriamchildren? >> Yeah. That has to be like you have to essentially like if I'm having babies there is a point of you know a time or whatever where I may be staying at home. >> Yeah. Exactly.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Then you have to show at least that you care and you like you you will pay. >> Yeah. And it's more about like them just caring in that time. And I usually think like the first date is like their

Lauren (29, healer)initial um their first impression. And so when they care about you enough and your experience and they care about, you know, taking care of you in that moment, that's like the first step that kind of

Lauren (29, healer)shows us like, okay, this is how he could be in another time that I'm vulnerable and possibly pregnant one day if it gets to that point. You know, >> can I ask you a question though on this? >> You do acknowledge that, and this is

Brian Atlasjust to >> test the logic a little bit. >> Yeah. You do acknowledge that there are women who are child-free and and what I mean by that is they they don't want to have children ever. >> Yeah. >> But they still are romantically

Brian Atlasinterested in dating men and having like a boyfriend. >> Yeah. Um% >> So what would you say to women who make it very clear or whether they make it clear or not but just from their own perspective >> they've made a determination in their

Brian Atlaslife they don't want kids. So in that situation do you grant where the woman doesn't want children ever? that uh it should be 50/50 on the first date.

Lauren (29, healer)>> My grant is she should do whatever she wants and whatever makes her feel happy and whatever makes her feel loved. >> But your position is men should pay on first dates. >> My position is everyone's different with what their standards are and what their

Lauren (29, healer)kinks are, what makes them feel loved, what makes them feel, you know, like they want to date someone long term. >> Okay. But if we're having a conversation about fairness, >> it then becomes, okay, well, let's say

Brian Atlasthere's guys out there who maybe they also don't want kids and they want a 50/50 dynamic. >> Yeah. I wouldn't even be in that situation. >> What do you mean? >> She has standards. She knows what she

Brian Atlaswants >> for for you. For you, but you also like you do content, you talk about dating. >> Would you say to women out there like don't generally speaking you say men should pay for first dates?

Lauren (29, healer)Like I don't think you have nuance as to your actual position >> when it comes to the advice you give women. >> No, I think my nuance is know what you

Brian Atlaslike and stand up for what you like and don't go down on your standards. >> But okay, how about this? Um you can say that people can do whatever they want

Brian Atlas>> but in terms of like helpfulness in understanding your actual position like what advice would you give to a man for example who >> he doesn't want to have kids and he's on a date with a woman who doesn't want to have kids.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> And do you think it would be unreasonable in that situation for the woman to have an expectation that the man pay for the date? I think you should

Lauren (29, healer)have a conversation with her first to make sure that they're aligned on that. >> Uh yeah, I think I'm fine. >> There's plenty of women out there that

Lauren (29, healer)want to do 50/50 on a first date. And if you want to do it, but that's why you should have that conversation before the date. I don't even allow the first date to even get to that point to know if they're aligned or not.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Wait, how do you ask? Sorry. Um, well, originally, so you know, I don't go on dates with guys unless they like pay for the sitter, too. And that's usually >> We need to get into that. So, just [laughter and gasps] just uh to

Brian Atlas>> You'll You'll only go You'll only go on the first date with a guy if he pays for the babysitter. >> 1,000%. >> Okay. >> Um, >> did you have a question for her or >> uh I did. >> It was how how does the guy ask?

Miriam>> Oh, how does she ask the guy? But she answered already straight >> just like that. She she had him pay for the babysitter, too. >> But how about this? If we're faced with

Brian Atlasa situation where uh >> the guy wants to go, how do I >> Do you think it would be it's

Brian Atlasunreasonable for a woman who wants to be child-free to have then an expectation that the man pay for the date? >> No, >> it's not unreasonable. >> It's whatever she wants.

Lauren (29, healer)>> So, women can want anything. >> Anyone can want anything. men can. Well, I think part of the issue though, >> my answer is not going to change. You can keep going any which way you want. And that's my answer is not going to change.

Taran (Deadly P)>> I feel like what she's saying is that everybody's different. Like I wouldn't go 50/50 on the first date, but I'm a college student. So, everybody's different. Like >> you So, the guy pays for the date? >> Yeah. >> Even if you're on a date with a fellow college student who doesn't who also

Taran (Deadly P)doesn't make money. >> I don't usually go on dates with fellow college students. >> Okay. You date older people then? sometimes, but like most people are in the same industry as me and a lot of people in the same industry as me are

Taran (Deadly P)not going to college for that or also military child. So, a lot of their people I'm friends with get paid for their stuff.

Brian Atlas>> I feel like this is a bit of a m and bailey because I think your true genuine position is men should pay for first dates. >> Yeah. But now that I'm logically

Brian Atlasexamining your position, you want to retreat back to, well, people can negotiate whatever they want and if a man wants this, you guys can negotiate and talk it through. >> Well, cuz that's my that's for me. Like

Lauren (29, healer)I am never going [laughter] to pay for a first date. >> So that is like how I am. But I can't speak on all women and I can't put like a stance for all women. But that's me. Yeah. We never

Lauren (29, healer)>> I have a question. Um, what age range of men do you date? Um, it's all really I' I'm 25. I've dated younger. >> Like you'll go younger. >> Some milk. >> Yeah, [laughter]

SPEAKER_00>> you go younger than 25. >> I've almost I've almostated and he was also going to pay for the [laughter] >> I missed the intros. What does chair number one offer? Because all I see is some wide eyes and an elevated sense of

SPEAKER_00worth. >> Solid seven with makeup. Bet if you take that off, she a four. Five at best. >> Wow. I'm a five. >> Oh, that's a that's you a five, but she a [ __ ] 10. >> Yeah. >> Here we go.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Do you want to respond to that? >> Oh, I just think men that talk like that, they don't have money. So, [laughter] >> show me if you want to rate me, send me a screenshot of your bank account and then maybe >> Oh, boy.

Lauren (29, healer)>> But here's the thing. >> That's a challenge, Clay. Um, >> did you want to answer that question? >> Only broke men like attack women on their looks. But that's the thing also. People different people have different

Brian Atlastastes and I think that's okay. >> Latrice, were you asking? >> Did you want to answer that question of what he said offer? >> Yeah. >> So I think he said he asks what does chair one offer? So I guess he's asking

Lauren (29, healer)what do you bring to the table? >> I'm a mother. I'm a mommy. Like that's what I offer. Like you know what I mean? Like I take care. >> Excuse me. >> Of my family, my baby. >> You cook and clean or

Isabella>> like cooking and cleaning? Caregiving. >> No, I wouldn't cook and clean. Oh, okay. [laughter] >> Wait, wait, hold on. >> Oh my gosh. Hold on. >> I like that. I doubt you. >> I I I want to make something. I want to do a disclaimer before I get into >> I want to be like you when I'm older.

Latrice[laughter] >> How old are you? >> I'm setting these standards for women. So, >> you are young. >> Guys, can we avoid the quips? Can we avoid the quips, please? So, um >> I'm sorry, but you're kind of giving these idea for women to have these

Brian Atlasstandards which are more inclined for them to stay single. I'm just saying. >> Well, hold on really quick. I want to address the point that you just raised. So you said when I asked or when Clay

Brian Atlasasks what do you what does chairwoman offer? What does uh what do you bring to the table? Your immediate your first response was you're a mother. >> I'm a mother. >> So I want to do a little disclaimer here first.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think there's anything wrong with a man becoming a stepfather. With that said, >> I I don't think that that is typically going to be viewed as a positive,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> I don't think I don't think it's a deal for for me, it's not a deal breaker for woman's a single mom. However, generally speaking, yeah, >> I don't think that that's like a positive thing in the in the sense that

Brian Atlasbecause what you bring to the table, what you offer, >> I think a lot of men are going to view that as this could be a potential complication in our relationship. This could be a liability in our

Brian Atlasrelationship. >> Yeah, maybe. But I I think when people are asking what you offer, what you bring to the table, it might be something to do with uh I mean you just stating your current

Lauren (29, healer)mother status. I don't that doesn't seem like >> so when I'm saying when I answered that, it's because when I'm dating, it's for that to have more kids and have a

Lauren (29, healer)family. So when I said that, that's what I mean. So, like if I get in a relationship with someone, usually the guys I date want kids. That's why they're attracted to me. So, I understand and I think it's fair.

Lauren (29, healer)>> I 1,000% think it's fair to not want to date a single mom. Like, you should know yourself. >> Okay. So, perhaps there is a misunderstanding here, but >> um

Lauren (29, healer)I think it perhaps would have been better worded like I will give him children. >> Yes. But it's also the energy that I bring to the relationship. It's the >> But why did you say I'm a I'm a mother?

Lauren (29, healer)>> Because that's the energy that I bring to I'm nurturing. I'm going to take care of the babies. I'm going to make sure that they're good. They're my friends. >> Those are I guess the question is Sorry. >> Um >> Okay. I hope it's constructive, but go ahead.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Oh, sorry. Okay. Before you became a mother, what do you bring to the table? >> What do I bring to the table? I'm a business owner. So, my ideal partner I want to have a business [clears throat] with. Like, what do you mean,

Lauren (29, healer)>> guys? about that either. >> And I don't care what they care about. That's just what I want. >> Okay. Well, you you just said earlier that you don't cook and you don't clean. >> No, because I Well, okay. I don't think

Lauren (29, healer)people when women when the default goes for women to cook and clean in a relationship, then I think that's also why so many people are struggling in relationships because that's labor. So

Lauren (29, healer)compared to women's labor, compared to men's labor, if he takes care of all the bills, it's still five jobs compared to his No, >> I strongly disagree considering that my

Latricehusband is a blue collar worker. My husband does blue collar work and what I do at home is nothing compared to what he does outside the house. >> Okay. >> And wait, you have two kids, right? >> Yep. >> Two kids. One kid. >> Two kids. >> Yeah. One.

Latrice>> And what does your what does your husband do for work? >> Oh, he does construction. Uh what kind of can you be detailed? >> Um before before years about maybe five, six years ago, he was doing um exterior work which is everything that you see outside of Las Vegas all over the

Latricebuildings is what he did. >> You're you're from Vegas, right? >> Yeah. Like >> does he do heavy machinery or is he more >> forklift, boom lifts, all kinds of lifts? >> Okay. >> So is he like putting like the stuff on the walls, everything that you see the

Latricepanels and all that? >> All the designs and everything. That's super cool. >> And mind you, he does it all year round. And he didn't just do like this is out in the sun. >> So he's doing a no joke.

LatriceSo to me, him doing what he's doing, coming home baked, looking like a freaking lobster, >> I'm not going to complain about what I do at home. And he supports the whole family. Huh. He supports the whole family.

Latrice>> Absolutely. >> I think that's fair with that stuff. And all I'm doing is what am I doing? Cooking. Cleaning. I keep my house clean every day. I don't have to worry about that. What if you were >> No, >> you you Okay. You're just like taking care. You're a homemaker.

Latrice>> Yes. >> What if you were working too? Like would you want him to also clean and cook too? >> He offers, but I tell him hell no. Stay sit your ass down. >> Yeah. >> Do not do a thing. You were just out

Latricethere for like 12, 14, 16, sometimes 18 or more hours. >> Oh, damn. >> Why am I going to make him do all that? >> That would make no sense for me to make him do any sort of house choice.

Brian Atlas>> Watrice. Um, >> and so he he frequently works like how many hours per week would you say he works today? >> On average anywhere between 60 to 80 hours a week. >> Wow.

Latrice>> Damn. >> Again, do not lift a finger in the house. >> Can you share his takehome? What's his takehome? >> What do you mean? >> Uh, pay. >> Uh, >> he doesn't usually like me to say

Latriceenough. He makes enough. >> He makes enough for all four of for me and the kids. We'll put it this way. like he knows that I like nice things. >> He takes care of you. >> I'll tell you I'll tell you right now.

Brian AtlasMy anniversary gift was a new car. >> What did he get? >> Wait, but I want to hear more from from Lauren here. So, can can you just clarify your I have one message coming

SPEAKER_00in, but then I want um Hold on. >> Clay donated $200. You think broke men are sending random $200 [laughter] messages on a podcast? I have ran

Brian Atlasthrough 100 like you. >> Oh, so he ran through. >> Do you have more to say? >> Yeah. >> You have Do you want to respond to claim? >> Maybe. Maybe that's why he has to watch a dating podcast.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Hannah. O [laughter] >> cuz he's rich. >> No. No. Cuz he doesn't have the >> obviously not working out if he's ran through a hundred women. That's crazy. >> No, I think he's ran like he's he's a

Brian Atlasrepeat >> commenter on the podcast. So, he's not like running through Why is he watching a dating podcast that long? That's crazy. >> I mean, I'm married. I sit down and watch through. That sounds more like he was in

Taran (Deadly P)a relationship with >> No, he's he's talking like he he runs through sending TTS messages like he'll touch. >> But the first message was about him not having enough money or like that question was about men having money. >> He sent money.

Brian Atlas>> What? >> No, there was no question. He was dating. >> Well, good. So, she said that guy was broke. Oh, was that not the same question as earlier? >> No, >> I have no idea what you're talking about. But okay, Lauren, you were saying

Lauren (29, healer)that uh being a mom, >> that's like five jobs. That's way harder than >> This is where This is where we go back into this, okay? Because every relationship is different with your

Latricehusband and your situation. A 1,000 person. >> I just wanted to just put that out there. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Cuz I wanted to put this out here. >> Yeah. My husband wasn't doing construction when we first dated.

Latrice>> He was he was just working as a oyster shucker >> and making less money than I did. >> Yeah. >> So that so me giving that opportunity for both of us to really align with one another on what we wanted in our

Latricerelationship, it then became that because the way men are typically men like my husband, >> Yeah. >> they may not have it all at that very moment, but they end up building that especially for the right person that

Lauren (29, healer)they're with. It's not like I have a price limit on men. Like I believe in that. That's I love that. No. And I get that. And that's the thing. It's like he is doing so much labor. So I totally get

Latricethat. >> He's doing the job that he typically is really, >> how do I say this? It's it it's like typically people don't even really respect that kind of work. M

Latrice>> like they just look at they they just look at it like oh great you know another guy doing a blue collar job if it weren't for him we wouldn't be in the building we're in we wouldn't have the things that we have all around us

Latrice>> so it's like they are literally the backbone to our society building the infrastructure that we have all around us the technology and all of that >> you know so I actually put my husband on that highest level of respect when it

Latricecomes to the line of work he does because if it weren't for him and everybody else where would we be Yeah,% but he I didn't look at it as, oh, you know, my husband, he better make some

Latricemoney. He's better be doing this. He better be doing that. Cuz mind you, I had a child already when we first dated. >> We, you know, I had a child already when we when we first dated, but nowhere in me felt like it was his responsibility to deal with my child.

Latrice>> And I don't No, no, no. I'm not saying you did. I'm not saying you said that, but that's just usually how it works. And you know, when he took on that responsibility, it's a really hard one. Typically, men would not want to deal

Lauren (29, healer)with a woman that's already had children because of the fact that they look at it automatically as a burden. >> Yeah. But see, I don't see I don't never run into those men because obviously the ones that I run into would do want to

Lauren (29, healer)deal with me and my son. You know what I mean? So, 1,000%. And I would never expect a man to take over my son. Like, my son is my son. You know what I Oh,

Latricewait, wait, wait. Do you plan to eventually, if you end up involved with this man, do you eventually want to marry that person? >> Yes. >> Okay. And so, you do realize that in order for the man to be involved in this relationship, he has to lead and also be involved with the rearing of your child,

Lauren (29, healer)too. >> Oh, 1,000%. But I'm just saying like in the dating phase, like, >> no. And the reason that I make it a requirement that they pay for the sitter is so that they can have my full

Lauren (29, healer)attention. And it also shows like their willingness to understand that we're a package deal even though I don't expect him to like be involved in my son. >> I mean, I get I get what you're saying,

Latricebut don't you think that's like and I I kind of respectfully I just I just find it a little bit unreasonable when you're telling a man that he should pay for your sitter when it's your

Latriceresponsibility. >> Well, they don't see it as unreasonable. And >> they're the ones that don't see that's kind of their choice. I mean, my men have no issue with it. So, that's my standard.

Latrice>> But, but I guess so. Where has this been going so far? >> It's been going great, actually. >> Are are you in a relationship? >> Um, no. I'm not in a relationship, but

Lauren (29, healer)that's the thing. Even though if I am dating, it's intentional, but I'm not actively dating. Does that make sense? Like, I'm not actively trying to find a relationship. I'm actively building a business and raising my son.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Okay. Yeah. So, when did you make that video that we saw earlier? >> Um, that was a couple months ago cuz I've been celibate for a year. So, I like kind of completely stopped like dating. >> So, were you dating at that time when you made the video? >> No, I just met him. He was like a guy

Lauren (29, healer)that I met kind of like in the wild, you know, not off a dating app. So, I was like really looking forward to it and I think >> um >> yeah. So, I was a little like upset cuz like of course I want like love and of

Lauren (29, healer)course I want to build a relationship with somebody and like I would love that. But see, I made a commitment to my son first, so he's my priority. And I stopped making dating a priority. >> Yeah. Cuz these girls are getting way

Latricetoo out of control nowadays with, you know, having their kids heavily involved in all these other relationships that the moms are in. And I'm like, >> so I was like celibate for a year and a half. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You good? >> You you overheating over there?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. I think of that. >> It's hot in here. >> Yes. >> I'm I'm nice. I'm feeling pretty good. >> I'm feeling like the fluorescent lights. >> [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> So, really quick, I guess just to finish off that convo thread, Lauren. Yes. >> Uh, is it your position that being a single mom >> or I guess just even being a mom, do you think I've heard I don't know if it was

Brian AtlasOprah who said this, it's the hardest job in the world >> Oh, yeah. >> Being a mom. >> Well, I can't say >> like the hardest job. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Is a compar. >> I just said no. Well, let's say because I don't want to get too fine-tuned into hardest. How about >> compared to the average job that average job of men?

Lauren (29, healer)>> Mhm. >> Is it harder than the average male job being a mom? I think it depends like because I just

Lauren (29, healer)think like if you're in a relationship and you're a mom then yes because I think the expectations that women tend to have and hold is difficult to manage in a relationship and there's an imbalance. I do believe that.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Which are those if you don't mind me asking? >> Yeah. So, I think when women are in a relationship with men, usually that's the thing. I feel like it's every relationship so different, especially

Lauren (29, healer)like you expressing yours. I'm like hearing that like that totally makes sense to me. If we're talking about an average man's job >> compared to like an average woman's job,

Lauren (29, healer)if she's a stay-at-home mom, then yes, I do think that's harder for a stay-at-home mom with an average man's income and an average man's job. Yes. But how [laughter]

Lauren (29, healer)is it harder though? >> Because of the all the um unspoken labor that women do in relationships like managing the household, making sure the kids are fed, driving to and from school, things that men don't think

Lauren (29, healer)about, you know what I mean? Like naturally, traditionally up to this point, which we're kind of changing the game. That's why we're all here, right? We're kind of open discussion to understand why there's issues in

Lauren (29, healer)intimacy in relationships. So, um I when it comes to the average man's job with the average income compared to the average women and her

Lauren (29, healer)>> What is the average man's job in income? >> Um I would say like 75,000 a year. That's what I think. I don't know. >> That's average. >> I don't know though. I I'm just ballparking.

Lauren (29, healer)if it's more than that. But even if even if it was more than that, compared to domestic labor, if you were to break it down, women are doing at home between $150,000 to $250,000

Brian Atlasin domestic labor. >> I I've seen I think your video on this. >> So you're saying, well, if you as an individual were to hire a private chef and hire a house cleaner and hire >> a therapist, I don't know if you include

Brian Atlasthat. Yeah. >> So, can you tell us cuz you say, "Well, women are doing 150 to $200,000." Is that the range? >> Yes. >> They're doing 150 to $200,000 of unpaid labor. Yes. >> Um what? >> Including And most women are working

Lauren (29, healer)now. >> Yeah. Can you break down like uh the breakdown of that, I guess? >> Yeah. Cuz it's the break break down the break. >> The cleaning, the dishes, the taking care of the kids, the mental load,

Lauren (29, healer)making sure they're to and from school. If your kid, like, and I'm a mom, so I know this, like if your kid has um a delay, you have to make sure they're on top of those things. Like, women are naturally doing this in relationships,

Lauren (29, healer)it doesn't even come across a man's brain. Usually, they're not they're not thinking about, oh, we need to book the therapist appointment for a kid. Um, if they, you know, have like autism or something, like they're not thinking

Lauren (29, healer)about those things. So, these are all things that are put onto women, like expectations that are put onto women that cost

Lauren (29, healer)mental space that doesn't make us >> as like um you know where we just have much more on our plate.

Brian Atlas>> So women are doing unpaid labor >> with with kids and in in a marriage to the tune of $1500 to $200,000. >> Yeah. I feel like it depends on the child >> or sorry not the month.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I know I don't have a uterus, but like >> I know I don't have a uterus, but like I would say I feel like a mom is like 24/7 and like you know as hard as the job is

Lauren (29, healer)cuz like there's obviously labor intensive jobs, >> but um like you obviously get a break, you get off work and I feel like moms like I mean sometimes probably dads too, but like they have to wake up in the middle of the night especially with

Lauren (29, healer)younger children. >> Um so it's kind of like 24/7 that you're constantly like and some don't get a break when they get home >> about this latrius. Is it I is it? You know, what do you think?

Latrice>> I wouldn't know. I honestly I don't I don't see the concept of this because it's just weird. Like I I don't see it because of the fact that it was something that I chose to do. It was

Latricesomething that I chose. I chose to be a mom. I chose to stay at home. Before that, I was also working, you know, I was I was working and taking on some of those things. However, when I chose to

Latricebe at home with my kids, that I knew the tasks that I have to take on as and the responsibilities as a mother. >> Now, as far as what my husband does outside, deal with that [ __ ] cuz I don't

Lauren (29, healer)want it. >> I'm cool with that. >> And and I feel like though your situation isn't average cuz your husband has a very intense job, you know what I mean? So, I feel like you're in kind of

Lauren (29, healer)like not a completely relatable situation because your husband is doing like an intense job. And that makes sense to me. And the reason that I don't want to do domestic labor is because I

Lauren (29, healer)have a career >> that I want to go after. Okay. >> But I've also been a stay-at-home mom. I've been a stay at home girlfriend. I've been a stay at home almost wife. So I know what labor that goes into it. So

LatriceI'm not saying that in like >> I mean do we really want to say that it's that laborious when we got dishwashers and washing machines doing that work for us? you're shaking a person. So, what I would do as well is

Lauren (29, healer)maybe start thinking every day, start clocking in how much you're doing hourly and pay attention. Just pay attention just for like 2 weeks and then and kind

Latriceof think about how much like domestic labor you're doing, how much mental load you're doing, how much work you're doing. And >> I wash dishes every day. I cook. I don't always cook every day. I usually meal

Latriceprep every week. >> In my previous relationship, I cook like three times a day. Yeah. So that's why >> we don't always cook because we meal prep. Um there's >> there's there's washing clothes. I do

Latricethat once a week. >> And I again, my house stays clean, >> but there's mental labor and like thinking about what kind of meals you're going to do that week. What are you going to shop for? >> Not really. It's not much when you're when it comes to fitness. It's not much

Miriamyou think about. >> I just see my time differently. So >> I I guess I would I would agree with you in in term of like uh you know that's how much it would cost if you would

Miriamoutsource all of these tasks. That's uh you know if a man is entering your life, he's single, you're single, you both don't have children, he will save up, you know, all that money, I'm assuming, while you're staying at home, but you

Miriamalready are a single mom. You're already working and doing the labor work at home and doing everything by yourself. If a man is entering your life, he's going to take some of the load off your shoulders. >> No, but see, I've been in those

Latricerelationships while being a single mom. So, I still feel like women are still doing more. So I I do want to ask you out of curiosity, if if say for example that this person that you end up

Latriceinvolved with, say that this person ends up making like astronomical money >> and he just told you to not really focus too hard on your career and to just be

Latriceat home and be and take care of the kids and do whatever, would you decide on that? I just for me personally, I like I like feeling like I have something outside of

Lauren (29, healer)a relationship. And that's just me. So that's just my personal idea. I when I have a baby, if I have another baby, then yes, I want to be home with that baby when they're little, but as soon as

Lauren (29, healer)they're older, and even while my son was a newborn, like I was still working, but even if I was in a relationship and I chose to stay in that relationship, I would have still been working just

Latricebecause that's me. M I just I just don't know if I find that to be very optimal for kids >> because you know kids need to have their

Lauren (29, healer)mom, kids need to have their parents. >> I work from home though. So like my work has never been outside the home. I I started a business at home for that reason. >> What is your business? >> Um I have a skincare business but I just moved to coaching. >> Oh nice.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Yeah. Yeah. >> What type of coaching? Um so I do coaching with for women in business and financial like building financial autonomy. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> On the topic >> uh the the original video that there was this date and the guy canceled a few hours two hours before whatever. >> Um and you I think your point was that

Brian Atlasmen should and you well your position is men should pay for the babysitter. >> Okay. Um, we actually we we had you uh uh we had you scheduled for two weeks ago.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Can you tell us what happened? >> My babysitter cancelled >> cuz we had you scheduled for I think our Yeah. December 7th show. >> Uhhuh.

Brian Atlas>> And then what happened two hours before? >> Where this is going. Sorry. >> [gasps and laughter] >> Um, my babysitter said you're cancelled. >> And you know, you know that video where you were crying? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I actually had that same reaction. >> I was actually I I was in tears because this podcast is my baby. >> Yeah. >> This is my baby. And [laughter] I, you know, it's really hurtful. I'm

Brian Atlasjust like a father just taking care of my little my little podcast >> and [laughter] my my little podcast. It has, you know, it's it's, you know, it's in its third year now. And it's really I think your kids 3 years old, right? >> Four.

Brian Atlas>> Four. Yeah. Well, I think my podcast I started in 2022 the like summer of 2022. So 23 24 25. >> It's three and a half years, you know.

Brian AtlasSo it's like it's it's uh I don't know what what stage that's called. Is that adolescent? No, that's like old later. >> The podcast is

Brian Atlas>> my little baby. And when you cancelled on us like 2 hours before the podcast, like I cried. >> Do you have the video, Nick, still? >> Uh yeah, >> the the the Tik Tok one. >> You're lying cuz you have like

Brian Atlas>> Just pull it. No, but I [laughter] was crying. I was like, how could she do this to me? Like you got to realize as a single father of a podcast, [laughter] >> like that's going to have that's going to have a big play from the beginning.

Lauren (29, healer)>> Victim card. >> Play from the beginning. And um no, but but this guy canceled on you. ever have a date or a date with a single mom. >> But low key, look at my lashes. >> If you if you ever have a date, >> my lashes stayed and I sold so many after that.

Brian Atlas>> If you ever [clears throat] have a date with a single father who has a podcast, a little baby, a podcast baby, this is my podcast, baby. It's still growing. And I think honestly, like I kind of think that you maybe you said that guy

Lauren (29, healer)ended up sending you 400. I feel like maybe you could have sent me 400 for the inconvenience. >> Um, we'll see. I can't say what I cuz like >> so but the thing is but think about my

Miriamthing is >> that's how much you value your podcast. >> What >> that's how much you value your podcast. >> So you should pay him. >> No. >> What? >> What? Wait. >> But you cancelled one time. You should pay him.

Latrice>> Yeah. >> No. >> But you have your standards and you set your you had your values and you set your standards. Therefore you believe that. Well, I'm not saying you >> but he didn't set but see but he didn't set that up before. He didn't say there was a cancel fee before.

Lauren (29, healer)>> No, no. To be fair to her, there's no legal there's no legal obligation. >> And see, but that's the thing. Maybe you should have maybe let's take this as a learning experience and you're telling me that this is how important this

Lauren (29, healer)podcast is for you. Next time, next time you have guests, then you need to set that tone before because if I go on a date, I set that tone before. Well, the the issue is though, I mean, practically speaking, um, >> no,

Brian Atlas>> I agree with you that I I've debated this and I've gone back and forth on whether I should charge a deposit or, you know, have them sign up via sign up for the podcast via Square and in the event of a cancellation, you can charge

Brian Atlasa late fee or something >> or or not. Well, you could charge a late fee, but you could charge a cancellation fee like how if you book an appointment through Square, you can do that. But my

Brian AtlasI think my issue is is there is a component of women who otherwise would show up like they'll 100% show up but if

Brian Atlasyou introduce a financial component >> some people might get cold feet right there. So it's like this balancing act

Brian Atlasbetween how do I avoid people cancelling but then is a girl who otherwise would come on the podcast if I say hey uh let's say with a deposit for example

Brian Atlasthat would be I definitely think if we charged a deposit like hey if you want to come on the show you have to pay us 200 bucks >> um we'll fully return it but even if we

Brian Atlassay it's 100% fully refundable deposit there's definitely women who >> they're like no I won't do that. >> Yeah. >> So, I have to balance like >> accepting a level of flakiness

Brian Atlas>> and balance like and ultimately my determination was [clears throat] >> I think it it would not make sense to do a deposit. I think maybe I could get away with like, you know, having them put down a credit card through Square

Brian Atlasand if they cancel, whatever. That might be an option. But in any case, legally she has no obligation to I'm just saying from the bottom of your heart because I was hurting. I was hurting like how you were crying in that moment. I was also

Brian Atlasvery upset. I was crying >> deeply like I it was I almost thought about >> Where's the video though? >> Yeah, the video. >> Well, see the difference between men and

Brian Atlaswomen is when men cry women like are very performative. So like if I don't know why women do this by the way. Why do you guys record your one why do you

Lauren (29, healer)record yourself crying and then two why the [ __ ] would you post it? I just that I don't know >> if you read those comments though um there was a greater purpose to that message of that video about how much

Lauren (29, healer)like thought that women put into dating and how much mothers put into that dating cuz if you were to look in the comments um you would see some guys say like oh like next time like I'll think twice and then you see you'll see other girls cuz I thought about taking it down and you'll see them like I'm I'm

Lauren (29, healer)grateful that you posted something vulnerable because it helped them process them being hurt by being canceled because like we like to pretend that we're not hurt and It's okay. >> Well, really quick on that though.

Brian AtlasReally quick on that. >> I can guarantee you I maybe not Well, who knows? I don't know your level of whatever. I'd say for the general mother, but I'd be prepared to say even for you.

Brian Atlas>> Trust me, I put more work into this podcast. >> I I believe >> than you put into your kids. >> Guarantee it. >> Guarantee it. Because there's a [ __ ] ton

Brian Atlasof mothers and there's very few podcasts like this. If it it's it's very easy for women to become mothers and to be mothers and to do that. And if people could do this, then they would do it.

Brian Atlas>> So, but your argument is, well, okay, the men should, you know, I spend all this time to >> No, no, no. Let's go back. Let's go back. No, cuz let's go back. I want to go back. >> Um, you want my opinion? Then if you

Lauren (29, healer)don't want people to cancel, then you should make them sign a contract before. Cuz if you did before, I would have paid you. But you didn't. >> Yeah. But again, that that goes back to what I was saying about, you know,

Lauren (29, healer)>> and people cancel and Exactly. Because then >> it's a balance. >> The men who are flaky already cancel themselves out before we even get to the first date. Exactly. >> But then the majority of women are not

Miriamgoing to be like signing up their contract because they don't want the obligation of the potential of, you know, cancellation. Yeah, the the issue with like having we we do keep it

Brian Atlassomewhat informal in the sense of our invitations. I mean, you know, we we're organized with it, but it's not like here, sign this contract. I think when you put a contract in front of

Brian Atlassomebody, you put legal legal ease. It's going to give people cold feet. It's people that would otherwise be like, "Yeah, I'm going to come. I'll do the podcast." That they're not going to flake. They're going to show up. But you

Brian Atlasput a contract in front of them like be then they're going to be like do I really want to do this? Uh like what if something comes up but then I got to pay

Brian Atlaslike a thing. So it is a balancing act. On one hand, yes, if we had the contract in place uh of the >> of the proportion of people who do sign up to be on the podcast, yeah, we would

Brian Atlasget less flakes, but we would let get less people to actually agree to sign up to be on the podcast. But we we'll get away from the meta conversation of that. There was some uh Clay, did I pull up

Brian Atlasyour Did I pull up Clay's thing? I didn't. Clay, I'm sorry. Uh let me let me do that right now. My apologies. Uh hello. Wait,

SPEAKER_00wait, did I pull this one up? >> Lower the volume. >> Claim donated $200. To clarify, I spent my time in the Marine Corps. I worked construction and

SPEAKER_00now I do something that makes a lot more money. ran through means I have been with 100 unsatisfied women. >> You could >> like you didn't satisfy them. >> Happens. [clears throat] >> What? >> Yo, Mads, thank you for the gifted 10 uh

Brian Atlasmemberships. Really appreciate it. And Clay, thank for the TTS, man. Uh Seerfi, man. Uh that makes a lot more money. What do you do for work, Clay? What do you What do you do for work, man? Uh let us know. Uh

Nyxwho gets to read? You get to read, Nick. Can you read that for us? >> Have you thought about the unpaid labor that men do around the house? construction, landscaping, plumber, electrician, pest control, security guard, IT support, chauffeur, mechanic,

Brian Atlasbabysitter, etc. And all that is on top of the work done outside the home. >> That is such a fantastic point using

Brian AtlasLauren's exact framework. Men can also start adding up these sort of ways in which they do various thing, unpaid labor. So

Lauren (29, healer)using your framework, Lauren. >> Yeah. No. And I think No, and I think that's a valid point. It's just not every man does all of that. But if he does all of that, like I what my point is, I just want there to be more balance

Lauren (29, healer)in relationships. And some of the relationships that I've seen my friends in see like where my content usually comes from is like those relationships and seeing women in my life put in more

Brian Atlaslabor and work than their relationships. But just but can I ask you a question though because >> your I guess your argument here was in a situation where the woman stays at home and the man

Brian Atlas>> goes out to do uh you know he he's working he's the bread winner uh your your contention was hey women are doing unpaid labor >> however even when a man

Brian Atlas>> is the primary bread winner the soul bread winner >> he's men are still doing all those things. Yeah. >> And I don't think you can just ignore these.

Brian Atlas>> I'm not >> I Well, but you're you're saying >> when you brought up the unpaid labor thing, you were saying men go to work

Brian Atlasand women do all this unpaid labor, but you conveniently ignored or omitted that men do >> all that unpaid labor. >> I'm saying if that was the dynamic that

Brian Atlashe just comes home, but if he's doing stuff at home like that, then that's Let's ask Latrice. So, Latrice, your uh

Brian Atlasyour husband of all these things, >> um does he do some of this some of this stuff? Like >> he builds me a pergola on the backyard. >> Wow. >> Because typically even if the man like

Brian Atlasthe man will do some of the heavier labor around the house, uh lawn mowing, landscaping, unless you're that chick right there, um who's not who she doesn't Vegas, we don't even have grass in the front yard. >> Yeah. But like he'll Your husband does do stuff around the house.

Latrice>> Yes. >> Right. >> Right now just today he called me. He facetimed me and he was showing that he was organizing the garage. >> Does your husband own the firearm? >> Huh? >> Does he own a firearm? >> Five. >> Five. >> So if I do you do you own a firearm?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Would you date a guy who owns a firearm? >> Yes. >> Okay. Have you dated Yeah. >> Uh Okay. So, it's interesting because you're saying, well, it for you >> to have a full-time armed security guard, which is what [laughter] women

Brian Atlashave, uh, that's really expensive. >> Uhhuh. >> Armed security, armed like you bas women basically have executive protection for

Brian Atlasfree. >> That's unpaid labor. In fact, can I ask you a question? Um, uh, yes. In the questionnaire, husband should be willing to die protecting you. Take the >> take the bullet. >> Would Would you do the reverse for him?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> So, hold on. Hold [laughter] on. Hold on. So, he has to be he's doing unpaid labor of being because think about it this well. Well, he's not protecting me

Brian Atlasat all times, but if I hire an um somebody to do executive protection, >> close protection. So, executive protection is essentially a bodyguard. >> Armed executive protection.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> There's not like if if I was out in public, >> there's not threats coming at me all the time. Most bodyguards do >> really nothing. But I mean, they're

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