35 w/ CRAZY Standards?! REFUSES TO SETTLE?! Obese Girl WILL NOT Date Obese Man?! | Dating Talk #267
Date: 2025-11-03
Duration: 8h 07m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Victoria Buma(guest)
SPEAKER_04Felicity(host)
SPEAKER_05Sabrina(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Leana (Finland)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Sophia(guest)
SPEAKER_10Laura(guest)
SPEAKER_11Paige Hamilton(guest)
SPEAKER_12Maria Porcha(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:27
IntroAll 7 guests + Felicity introduce themselves
00:15:36
ControversyVictoria's 'Hitler always peaked my interest' TikTok played and discussed
“Hitler always peaked my interest okay.”
00:21:53
RelationshipFull relationship status round-table
00:32:15
Key MomentVictoria reveals she just started dating Noah (a Marine fan of the show) literally yesterday. He sends $200 super chat.
01:02:00
ControversyBrian confronts Sabrina about expecting fit men while being ~40% body fat herself
01:47:40
ControversyLaura openly admits to being 'slightly misogynistic' toward women
02:41:28
ControversyMaria names Europe, America, Asia as countries (all wrong), then Tokyo, Paris
02:44:05
ControversySabrina cannot name the continent she lives on for several agonizing minutes
05:24:55
Key MomentBrian expects women to do his laundry first visit, sparking show's biggest debate
06:00:01
QuoteVictoria: 'If willing to sleep with a man, should be okay folding his laundry'
06:27:00
Key MomentBrian counsels Paige about being mouthy to husband, quotes Proverbs 21:19
07:51:00
AgreementEvery woman chooses to give up voting over being subject to military draft
Topics Discussed
00:05:27
Guest Introductions
Maria (27, model/psych student from LA), Leana (36, Finnish mechanic born in Jerusalem), Victoria (19, controversial social media), Laura (31, unemployed Calabasas), Paige (32, married mother from NY), Sabrina (35, data analyst), Sophia (18, history student).
00:15:31
Victoria's Hitler Video
Victoria's TikTok about Hitler 'peaking her interest' played. She explains she studies historical figures. Leana (born in Jerusalem, Jewish) says she wasn't offended.
00:21:53
Relationship Status Round
Maria single 2 years. Leana in 7-year relationship. Victoria just started dating Noah yesterday. Laura single 4 years. Paige married 10 years (both virgins). Sabrina never >6 months. Sophia never dated.
00:58:18
Sabrina's High Expectations Debate
Sabrina won't date obese men despite being ~40% body fat herself. Brian challenges the double standard. Extended debate about asymmetry in attraction.
01:16:08
Laura's Anti-Wealth Stance
Laura finds extreme wealth 'gross' and 'disgusting.' Believes money corrupts people. Wants to live on a ranch in Texas.
01:47:40
Laura's Self-Described Misogyny
Laura admits to being 'slightly misogynistic.' Believes men are stronger, smarter, faster. Critiques the Whatever podcast.
02:41:28
Felicity's Trivia - Countries and Continents
Maria names Europe, Asia, Tokyo as countries. Sabrina cannot name the continent she lives on for several painful minutes.
02:50:20
Minimum Income Requirements
Maria: $300K. Leana: average. Victoria: $100-150K. Laura: no minimum. Paige: $85K. Sabrina: $80K. Sophia: $100K.
02:57:00
Man vs Bear Question
All women ultimately say man. Paige hesitates due to trust issues from absent father.
04:08:15
Body Count Reveal
Maria <5. Victoria 1 (one non-consensual). Laura refuses (implied 20+). Sophia 0. Paige 1 (husband only). Sabrina refuses.
04:48:02
Self-Rating Looks
Maria 10, Leana 6, Victoria 6, Laura 6, Paige 5, Sabrina 5, Sophia 3-5. AI age/gender filters shown.
05:24:55
The Laundry Debate
Major debate: should women do a man's laundry first visit? Victoria: 'if willing to sleep with him, should fold his laundry.' Laura eventually concedes after boyfriend/girlfriend.
06:06:01
The Bow Expectation
Brian shows ex bowing video. Most initially refuse but say yes for 'the perfect man.'
06:25:16
Paige's Marriage Advice
Brian reads Paige's notes about being mouthy to husband Skyler. Quotes Proverbs 21:19. Gives Skyler Hamlet quote as rhetorical weapon.
06:55:00
Brian's Anti-Marriage Stance
Brian refuses to marry: divorce risk, alimony, 80% of divorces initiated by women. Would only marry a billionaire woman. Would be stay-at-home dad.
07:46:00
Women and the Draft
All women choose to give up voting rights rather than be subject to military draft.
Transcript
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06:53:46
LauraWho? Me? >> Yeah. Normal? Like, by what standard? I mean, out of out of all the of the people that I know, Brian is not Normal is boring. She she says I'm abnormal,
06:53:58
Brian Atlasokay. A little A little, I said a little. Cuz I've never known a guy that wants bowing. So, normal is like Uh Like, what is the normal thing happening in dating?
06:54:09
Brian AtlasIt's basically like I think yeah, you're in the wrong country, dude. Like like men and women just like being in situationships and [ __ ] a bunch of people. Like, that's kind of normal. [ __ ] normal. No, that it's it's absolutely
06:54:22
Lauraridiculous. I agree. I've never been in a situationship. I've never been in in those things. I've also never played dating games. When I was young, okay? When I was young
06:54:34
LauraYeah, that's normal. It is normal. No, it is normal now, but okay, but but but to to expect a bow
06:54:47
Brian Atlasand to expect laundry on a first time over wild. You belong in Japan. You're degrading. You degrade these men. You degrade
06:54:59
Leana (Finland)They're a wallet to you. They're These men are an ATM to you. He should pay on a first date. That doesn't mean he's an ATM. I kind of need to know that because I'm
06:55:11
Leana (Finland)still not married and I think the reason is the same you have. So, tell me why. What do you mean, why? Uh I don't believe in marriage. Why? Married Why Why do you do that? Why do
06:55:23
Brian Atlasyou do little You claim to be traditional, but then refuse to Well, hold on. Hold on. Actually, I don't really make that claim ever. I don't think I've ever said >> were talking about traditional roles.
06:55:35
Brian AtlasSo, I believe husband and wife. So, I believe that that when we're talking about traditional that this is I this word gets used in other ways, but I believe it's a spectrum. That might
06:55:46
Brian Atlassound stupid or whatever. But I think most people are not fully going to I don't think it's like you either are or you aren't. I think there's some degree of a spectrum to being traditional. In this case
06:55:59
Brian AtlasI think I lean more towards traditional in some degrees, but as it relates to marriage you're right, I'm not traditional on that front. >> religious?
06:56:09
Leana (Finland)No, I'm I'm agnostic. Although although I'm pro-Christianity. But if you find the girl you really love and she wants to get married and
06:56:21
Brian Atlasyou still don't want to get married? No. Not even for the perfect girl? >> [laughter] >> Cuz I'm a girl that really wants like the People aren't perfect though. >> But why? Why what?
06:56:34
Brian Atlas>> Why do you not want to get married? >> not want to get married? Oh, yeah, sure. So, uh there's a whole bunch of reasons. I think that >> like that. I think that So, marriage in the breakdown the the
06:56:46
Brian Atlasinstance of a breakdown of a marriage when you're getting divorced, uh the state, the government becomes involved. Uh I'm not a big fan of um I'm not a big fan of the govern-
06:56:59
Brian Atlasgovernment uh meddling and trifling in the private relationship affairs uh of people. So, the government says,
06:57:12
Brian Atlas"Well, you know what? You've been with this woman for this long and uh you make this much money, she makes this much money. You need to pay her uh while she's [ __ ] other men. You need to pay
06:57:23
Brian Atlasher uh $10,000 a month for the next 5 years." [ __ ] that. No government is going to tell me I owe a woman who's no
06:57:32
Brian Atlaslonger [ __ ] me money. [ __ ] that [ __ ] You think I'm going to give I'm going to but the government's going to tell me to
06:57:41
Brian Atlasto pay spousal support, to pay alimony to a woman who isn't [ __ ] me? But >> And is [ __ ] another guy? [ __ ] out of here with that [ __ ] [ __ ] That's
06:57:53
Brian Atlas[ __ ] [ __ ] >> Can you not get that if you have a prenup? I just want to tell you >> Prenups get challenged. Prenups uh Look, I'm not a lawyer. Prenups do
06:58:04
Brian Atlasget challenged. I think prenups can't always be protective. Uh I I'm not sure
06:58:13
Brian Atlasexactly if it can completely uh I don't know if prenups can fully uh I don't know what they're called. >> everything prior to your union. Yeah, I
06:58:26
Brian Atlasdon't know if you can just like in a prenup, can you actually uh say say, "No, even if we've been dating for 10 years, I don't have to pay you alimony." I don't know if that's a thing
06:58:36
Brian Atlasyou can do in a prenup. I think it's the assets you had prior to the marriage can be protected. Anything generated during it I don't think can really be addressed. I
06:58:48
Brian Atlasdon't think a prenup can supersede state law. I I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. In any case, uh divorce is [ __ ] terrible for the breadwinner, whether you're the woman or the man. Uh
06:59:00
Leana (Finland)but probably a bit worse for the men. So, yeah, there there there's that. Um I understand that because Dr. Phil said, "Well, actually." He said, "You don't divorce the same person that you
06:59:11
Leana (Finland)marry." And I thought that was like really smart. But let's say, can you get married in a church without getting married like for the government? And there wouldn't be any ramifications legally? Sure. I don't care. So,
06:59:24
Brian Atlasalthough >> Although Although I do think like blowing like tens of thousands of dollars on a marriage is kind of stupid. >> It doesn't have to be No. >> My wedding cost four grand, so I mean,
06:59:35
Brian Atlasstill four 4,000 for for I For a girl that you love that you were >> for you, that's a lot of money. What? That's a lot of money. >> It was. I spent a lot of That's a lot of money. >> That's nothing. But it's It wasn't the time. I wouldn't say That's nothing for
06:59:49
Brian Atlasa marriage. >> For a wedding. For a wedding. I get that, but some Are you guys paycheck to paycheck? Yes. That $4,000 is a [ __ ] ton of money for paycheck to
07:00:00
Paige Hamiltonpaycheck. And back then I we made nothing, but Where do you live again? Um upstate New York. How much do you pay in rent per month? >> a mortgage and >> How much do you pay for the mortgage? >> Including escrowed in is a thousand, so
07:00:13
Brian Atlasthat's really great, actually. >> That's four months of her mortgage payment down the drain. Here's my backyard. >> [laughter] >> Here, check Here's my backyard. Stand,
07:00:25
Brian Atlas[ __ ] But for a lot of girls, it's like I agree. Wait, wait, wait, wait. The girl who doesn't Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you guys catch that? Hold on. >> that doesn't want
07:00:37
Brian AtlasThe girl who doesn't care about money just said $4,000 isn't a lot of money. >> No No, not for not for a wedding. $4,000? We we did have a >> For somebody who's paycheck to paycheck,
07:00:49
Brian Atlasfour thou- And that's a lot of people in the United States is a lot of money. We had over a hundred people, too. Wow. So, it really was like probably the food, but we It was a lot of fun. It was so much fun.
07:01:01
LauraAll I'm saying is I used to work in a banquets. I used to work I used to work at a hotel, and the weddings were upwards of $100,000. So, when I think 4,000 And I just And
07:01:14
LauraI've been to a lot of weddings that are >> Congrats. You're at the Ritz-Carlton or whatever. >> Weddings are expensive. It's a waste of money. It is a waste of money. No, it's not. It's a huge waste of money. It's every little girl's dream. One of my best friends just got married,
07:01:26
Lauraand she >> Grandma can sit on the [ __ ] grass. Grandma can sit on the grass. >> so frugal. No, no, no. When I when I am I am very, very frugal, so I agree,
07:01:38
Lauraand I would never spend over 20 grand on a on one day of my life, ever. But I will tell you I mean that's it's not a lot if you spend 15 grand.
07:01:50
Brian Atlas>> back to your question. You were saying, "Oh, Brian, you don't want to get married. Why?" I don't think you should sign a contract that sucks. I don't think you should sign a contract where somebody is
07:02:01
Brian Atlasrewarded for breaking it. Women, when they do break the marriage contract, when they do initiate divorces, by the way, 80% of divorces are initiated by women. I don't like that.
07:02:13
Brian Atlas>> for this. So, You mean if. You're saying when. Like Like it's inevitable. >> no, no. When I say when, I mean when it when it happens, when it can happen, when it does happen.
07:02:26
Laura>> If it happens. >> over 50% of people get divorced. I mean, it's sad. It's horrible. No, I used to be like you when I Yeah, when I was a little younger, I I I hated marriage, and I thought it was a scam.
07:02:38
LauraUm and it is kind of a scam. But I was going to tell you that alimony is still paid when you have children with somebody regardless of marriage. So, you were And I was going to ask you, you
07:02:47
Brian Atlaswouldn't want to pay your spouse alimony for the children? Well, child support Child support's different. Child support I think that uh I think there are compelling arguments for for child
07:02:58
Brian Atlassupport, although I think that in many jurisdictions the like if you're a high earner as a guy, that child support like the the money you
07:03:10
Brian Atlasthe money as it relates to child support is not being paid up for child uh not Excuse me, not being spent on child support. So, I think, you know, in the same way with SNAP benefits, food
07:03:20
Brian Atlasbenefits, you can all like you take your SNAP card or whatever to uh to a grocery store, you can't buy uh I don't know. If you take it to a CVS,
07:03:32
Brian Atlasyou can buy I know you probably shouldn't shop for food at CVS. But you can go to CVS and buy like cookies with your SNAP thing. Sure, there's a debate over whether people should be whatever.
07:03:43
Brian AtlasUm but you can't like go and buy I don't know what um crutches or some [ __ ] Or I what You can't buy like I don't know. Maybe they sell cat Don't they
07:03:55
Brian Atlassell Maybe they sell a like a pullout chair at CVS. You can't buy a pullout chair with your food benefits. There should be something like that with child support. They can only spend the money on something that's child support
07:04:08
Brian Atlasrelated. Probably a little more complicated than food, but um I I do think that there's some abuses of the child support system. I think that there should be caps. So, if you're a high earner, you
07:04:21
Brian Atlasshouldn't be paying $10,000, $20,000 in child support. That's ridiculous. Uh alimony, get the [ __ ] out of here. It's 2025. Women have full access to the
07:04:31
Brian Atlasworkforce. Women can work. Uh No. Maybe there's an argument that can be made if she It should be proven,
07:04:39
Brian Atlasthough, that like if if I'm if you're a guy who makes $5 million a year, and your wife has a college degree, she can
07:04:50
Brian Atlasprobably enter the workforce within a reasonable period of time. Maybe there's some argument, okay, she's You've been married to her for 20 years, and she
07:05:00
Brian AtlasShe didn't work at all, and she dropped out of college to have kids with you. Okay, you can support her for a period of time. I'm willing to make some compromise. Three years max. It should be circumstantial. Circumstantial, for
07:05:14
Brian Atlassure. I agree. >> but you've been married I think in most jurisdictions, you've been married for 20 years, that's lifetime alimony. >> Yeah, I know. My mom My mom got it. My mom was married for 20 years, and now for the last 20 years, my dad's been paying her. Yeah.
07:05:26
Laura>> And I have been telling him to Yeah, I keep going >> To to do what? What? What can he do? He's being forced. Yeah. I mean, there are some things you can do, but
07:05:39
Brian Atlasyeah. Those You have to pay >> I I In some European countries, they're way They're not nearly as [ __ ] as the US is when it comes to child support. Yeah, California's [ __ ] Child support,
07:05:51
Brian Atlasalimony, all this [ __ ] But I still think divorcing is too easy. I agree I agree. But I don't know. Look, I think I don't think you mentioned prenups. I
07:06:02
Brian Atlasdon't think a prenup is going to save a man if the woman is motivated enough. Women Um women will, you know, the Even if the woman has good intentions, you step into
07:06:13
Brian Atlasa lawyer's office, lawyers see money. They just care about money. They want to make And I don't know how it work. Maybe they lawyers get some sort of percentage of the
07:06:24
Brian Atlassettlement from the divorce, whatever. And and they they want to keep it in court. They want to They want the billable hours. So, you could be a a dutiful Christian woman.
07:06:36
Brian AtlasYou step foot in that lawyer's office. They will turn everything. He The lawyer he's not he's not >> shackle. >> approaching thing Yeah, he's he's going to He's going to
07:06:47
Brian Atlasget as much as he possibly can for his client. In fact, I think he has some legal obligation to represent his client to the best of his ability and get the
07:06:57
Brian Atlasbest possible outcome money for his client. Mhm. Yeah, that's right. >> He has I think he has a legal duty to do this. Mhm. Yeah, you need to have put do your best effort or whatever as an
07:07:10
Brian Atlasattorney. You can't just be like, "No, you know, we should do the I mean, obviously, your client has final say, but lawyers are very convincing. Lawyers are they That's how their whole
07:07:19
Leana (Finland)job to argue. So, what would be your chess move if you will find a girl you're together like >> Never get married. >> 8 years and you know, she wants to get married. What will you do? I mean
07:07:31
Brian Atlas>> Like sit down and have something else on a table? Don't get it Don't get it twisted. I can stay with a woman for my entire life and
07:07:40
Brian Atlastake care of her and we can have kids. But marriage is out of the picture. >> But she Because you're afraid of divorce. Uh it's not that I'm
07:07:51
Laura>> fear for fear of divorce. That is the only reason that you gave us. Hold on. Well, there Hold on. Uh I don't understand. >> but Um [sighs] I'm afraid I just
07:08:04
Leana (Finland)want to >> Do you go to the church and have this something? Do you have a wedding? What are you bringing to the table on that point for her not to lose the dream of it?
07:08:16
Brian Atlas>> really gamble. Um does that does that make me like I'm afraid? Am I afraid to lose money? Because I don't gamble. >> Yes, because you're doing a smart move.
07:08:27
Brian Atlas>> Or or is it not about fear? Is it about looking looking at the chessboard? Or I guess I'll know whatever you're with black
07:08:37
Brian Atlasblackjack or poker or whatever, looking at it and being like, "This isn't a good bet to make." >> It's a warranted fear, but it is it is a fear of divorce. Okay. Sure, I'll grant it. So.
07:08:50
Brian AtlasOkay, cool. I'm scared of being divorced. Oh, no. Well, that's that's why you're you aren't going to join in the union. >> Men should rightfully have some reservations and some concerns.
07:09:02
Brian Atlas>> more discerning of who they're getting with. That's really the problem. >> it's not just that. It Holy [ __ ] >> divorce a different person that you marry. It mostly it's true. >> Do you think Do you think most people
07:09:14
Brian Atlaswhen they By the way, divorce rate is what? 80% or some [ __ ] I don't know. Or 50% Sorry, 50%. Do you think most people on their wedding day think, "I'm going to divorce this
07:09:26
Brian Atlasperson. I'm going to be divorced." No. Okay, 50% of marriages end in divorce. I So, discernment
07:09:40
LauraI mean, if a girl is bowing for you and doing those things for you, maybe you shouldn't break up with her. Well, break up with her if she's if things are going well, sure,
07:09:51
Leana (Finland)but But if she wants the marriage, she wants the wedding, are you going to like come to the middle of that and offer like to have the wedding or getting engaged or going to the church, but not just
07:10:05
Brian Atlas>> There could be some getting married. There could be some compromise. There could be a compromise where it's like just uh like I don't know, she wants to do the
07:10:14
Brian Atlasceremony so long as as there's nothing legally binding there. I guess I'm okay with the ceremony. I still think it's a bit of waste of money
07:10:25
Brian Atlasdepending on how much you spend. If it's a reasonable affair, I suppose I'd be open to it, but I I'd be curious if there's any legal liability to even
07:10:34
Brian Atlasdoing the ceremony. I don't know. I don't know. If there's not, let's just if you we grant that there's no legal liability whatsoever just doing the ceremony, sure. I suppose I'm okay with
07:10:46
Brian Atlasit. I'm not going to spend $100,000 on the wedding, though. [ __ ] that. Yep. I'll spend, you know, a reason what I think is a reasonable amount.
07:10:57
LauraBut I'm not No, that money can be better spent elsewhere. Doesn't the government in the United States uh deem you like legally married after 8 years or 7 years of Uh there's common
07:11:10
Brian Atlaslaw marriage, but it depends on the state. I don't >> they don't have it. >> In California, I don't believe there's common law marriage. Really? Yeah, so it's basically you've been living together, you guys have been maybe portraying yourself as
07:11:22
Brian Atlasmarried or I don't know. Yeah. Then some weird funky common law marriage [ __ ] That's stupid, too. [ __ ] that [ __ ] That should be abolished. [ __ ] [ __ ] common law marriage. It That
07:11:34
Brian Atlasshould only be a thing if Hey, we're agreeing to get married. You get a tax break for all of that. >> a [ __ ] Divorce The the risk reward is all [ __ ] up. Only if you're dating somebody who's going to take you for
07:11:48
Brian Atlas>> Remember at the very beginning of the Well, it took us a long time. Um going around the table starting with you, Maria. Uh
07:11:59
Brian AtlasHow many relationships have you been in? Mm about four or five. Uh Of the four or five, how many of them
07:12:07
Brian Atlasdid you initiate the breakup? Mm I think all five. All five? How many relationships have you been in? Three? How many of those did you end?
07:12:19
Brian AtlasTwo. Two of the three. How many relationships have you been in? Two. How many of those did you end? None. They broke up with you. Okay. Uh how many relationships have you been in? Like the real like a boyfriend. >> the mic. Sorry, a boyfriend.
07:12:32
Laura>> Um Not just dating. 6 months plus. Okay. Um I guess one out of two. One out of two. Okay. Well, two relationships. Did you end
07:12:45
Sabrinathem? Well, one I'm still in and the first one, no. Of the ones you ended. Okay. What about you? Um five people and three of them broke up with me. So, I
07:12:57
Brian Atlasended with two. And then well, Oh, yes. You're Women overwhelmingly end relationships. Women overwhelmingly initiate divorces.
07:13:10
Leana (Finland)But I think you >> deal for men. It's a bad deal for men. I agree. I agree. Like tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like in a relationship, a guy doesn't kind of see or realize when things are going to [ __ ]
07:13:22
Leana (Finland)before the relationship has ended. Like before everything around him will change in his head. Even though you go home and you argue every day, you're still in the
07:13:35
Leana (Finland)relationship and nothing is kind of changed, but a girl goes through the breakup for months before she decides to leave. Uh well, I guess there's a failure of communication perhaps on both their
07:13:47
Victoria Bumaparts, but So, women I mean, okay. Women initiate the majority of divorces. I think um men will never They very rarely, to be honest, they'll very
07:14:00
Victoria Bumararely ever initiate a breakup or a divorce, but when they are not interested in you anymore, they will also make that very, very clear through their actions. >> of pushed into the divorce.
07:14:11
Brian AtlasYou get distant, you stop trying. Sure. I I think that's fair to say that there are times where like men will just uh It's easier. will kind of
07:14:22
Brian Atlascreate the opportunity for the woman to end the rela- I I think that that's a phenomenon, but in any case, um even if this lowers the breakdown to
07:14:34
Brian Atlasuh 60% of the time, the woman is genuinely the initiator, not like the guy's just being a kind of a [ __ ] or whatever. Still not a good deal. Still not a good deal.
07:14:45
Leana (Finland)>> the percentage been that high? Because in my head, it's because we have the social media and we have this and that and women seem to just look around and want something else even though we're
07:14:56
Lauranot grateful about things anymore. I Yeah, but we think that it's it's true. It's too easy. It's too easy to go out and date. Too easy to Yeah, find somebody who who you think will
07:15:07
Leana (Finland)appreciate you more. It's You ask a woman or a man nowadays like what was the woman's place 60 years ago and they will be like, "Oh, it was terrible. It was between a fist and a
07:15:20
Leana (Finland)oven. But in reality >> a fist? You don't have that saying. Okay, we have a saying like that. >> [laughter] >> A woman's place is between a fist and a oven. I don't I This I mean Badly said,
07:15:33
Leana (Finland)but yeah. Uh we don't realize that women didn't vote or do things like that then because we we had so much more things to do. It
07:15:45
Leana (Finland)wasn't so important to us. And we weren't still suppressed. We just had different value. And we kind of did forget
07:15:56
Paige Hamiltonto be grateful for the guy that thinks guys did. I have two friends going through really nasty divorces and both times it was very sudden and it was very abrupt, very random and the woman did
07:16:07
Laurainitiate. And it got nasty really fast. Brian, if you didn't know these statistics, if you didn't know how many divorces were happening and you didn't have that information,
07:16:19
Brian Atlasyou might think differently about marriage? If you had no idea that the numbers I mean, regardless of the numbers, the financial risk still exists.
07:16:30
Brian AtlasEven if it's lower, even if 40% of marriages end in divorce, 30%, or 20% it still exists. The risk is still there. So, if you could have a pre-nup that will save you from that or protect
07:16:42
Brian Atlasyou from that, you would do it? >> from what's prior prior to If you could have a pre-nup that will protect you later on. >> Yes, in a in a hypothetical world where a woman would never divorce me, would I get married? Sure.
07:16:58
Brian AtlasLike she would just never divorce I get sure, but that kind of defeats the >> That's kind of the goal, yeah. So, like in a hypothetical world where a pre-nup can fully protect
07:17:09
Brian Atlasmy finances in the same way as if we weren't married and we were just she was just my girlfriend sure. I'll get married. So, yeah. So, if you could trust that
07:17:22
Brian Atlasthe breakup would be perfect and equal and >> like asking me, "Hey Brian, you see that ugly girl? If she was really beautiful, would you [ __ ] her?" I mean, if they like abolished alimony
07:17:34
Brian Atlasrules, they could abolish alimony rules. Yeah, that's true. We could vote on it potentially. >> Okay, I don't think I practically speaking >> Never going to happen because of money, but that would be great. Um guys, we're
07:17:45
Brian Atlasgoing to lower the TTS here as we're trying to get this uh TTS $30 TTS. $30 TTS roast session if you want. If you have a Q&A, you know,
07:17:55
Brian Atlasyou have a question you want to ask, $30 TTS. It should be all changed. Uh there it is, guys, if you want to get it in, $30 TTS. Also need to do that there. I mean, the I think the big thing you also
07:18:08
Brian Atlaseven if you're like more conservative, you're Christian, um you're more traditional Hold on, let me get [snorts] this pulled up. All right, $30 TTS.
07:18:20
Brian AtlasI think one of the big things even like Christian people or traditional people, trad cons, whatever they feel fail to realize is that the state
07:18:31
Brian Atlaspresides over the marriage, not God, not the Bible not your biblical values. When the woman is unhappy even if she's a Christian, even if she's
07:18:42
Brian Atlasa virgin, all the you know, all the factors that could make the likelihood of the marriage going the distance when the woman is unhappy she will go to the state. She won't go
07:18:53
Brian Atlasto God. She won't go to the her priest or pastor or church. She go she'll have to she has to go to state. Eventually, if she if she's dead set on the divorce, maybe she "Hey pastor,
07:19:05
Brian Atlasshould I blah blah blah should I get a divorce?" They'll intervene. Well, no. The I mean, I mean, unless you're Catholic
07:19:16
Brian AtlasI believe Catholics you marriage is indissoluble if you're Catholic. Although, I mean, I think there's some like if the man's
07:19:27
Brian Atlasabusive like beating her or whatever like I don't know in infidelity, can you divorce if you're Catholic? I don't know about Catholic, but it says
07:19:38
Paige Hamiltonin the Bible that you can. Like Can what? >> You can leave your spouse if they have an affair. It's like one of the only >> Oh, if you have an affair. I thought you meant just in general. >> Oh, no, no, not in general. My
07:19:51
Paige Hamiltonunderstanding at least for the I don't know for the other Christian denominations, I don't know. >> I've heard some stuff about like defrauding like if you married somebody and they promised to give you a baby and all this stuff and then >> here let let me ask this. Um you marry a guy
07:20:04
Brian Atlasyou marry a guy and maybe you uh let's say you don't have kids yet. You marry It could go either way. Let's do one at a time. You marry a guy
07:20:16
Brian Atlashe treats you well uh there's no no abuse. He he's kind, he treats you well um no no abuse of any kind
07:20:30
Brian Atlasbut you're just you fall out of love. You're vaguely unhappy. Does that warrant divorce?
07:20:40
Maria PorchaUm there'd be a conversation about it first. I mean, there would be I would try therapy, try to work it out, but >> You do marriage counseling, you're still he's not abusing you, he's still
07:20:52
Brian Atlastreating you well, he goes to the marriage counseling you've just fallen out of love. You're you're vaguely unhappy. Does it warrant divorce?
07:21:04
Leana (Finland)If that's something that we agree on and No, he wants to stay with you. You don't. I mean, if I don't want to stay with someone, I'm not going to. Your answer? If he wants to stay with me, he's still
07:21:16
Victoria Bumain love with me, so I need to do the work and fall back in love with him. Okay. What about you? Um absolutely no divorce. Uh my mom always said that when you get into marriage, you have to close one eye for
07:21:27
Laurathe sake of the children. I completely agree. Absolutely no divorce, completely against that. Um I come from a divorced family and it tore us apart, so I would never do that
07:21:40
Brian Atlasto mine. No. No. No. Okay, pretty reasonable. Um in any case though, uh you know what's funny?
07:21:50
Brian AtlasUh you can do all the right things. You can do the trad thing. There's this uh there's this guy named Steven Crowder. He's a
07:21:59
Brian Atlasbig conservative commentator pundit and he my understanding is he married his wife, they were both virgins both Christian, waited until marriage
07:22:11
Brian Atlasum this woman you you think all the all the uh the perfect everything's perfect, right? She divorced him.
07:22:23
Brian AtlasShe divorced him. She tried to ruin his life. She tried to ruin his reputation. Um she leaked she leaked a
07:22:35
Brian Atlasfrom my perspective a fair you know, some people might say the tone wasn't the best a fairly a marital dispute. They were
07:22:46
Brian Atlashaving an argument. He wasn't he was sitting on a couch. He wasn't hitting her. He wasn't you know, verbally abusive or anything
07:22:58
Brian Atlasbut they were having an argument as people do. We've all had arguments here, I'm sure none of us have been fully perfect uh when we've had a disagreement with a boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever.
07:23:10
Brian AtlasDid they have children? Yes, they had what? Two, three kids or something? Virgins, both of them virgins. She she divorces him, not just divorces
07:23:20
Brian Atlashim, but makes it a very very public affair. She leaks her and her lawyers leak this Again, he he wasn't hitting her. It was like a argument. Uh they were having an
07:23:32
Brian Atlasargument and
07:23:37
Sophiayou try to do the trad thing. You virgin, wait till marriage and uh But that's that's an outlier for that situation though. >> Perhaps. Perhaps.
07:23:49
Sophia>> like less than 10% of people who wait till marriage together, they're Christian, praying every day. It's like less than 10% of them get divorced. Yeah, that's true, but I mean Like for other situations, that's very
07:24:02
Sophiacommon, but for their specific situation, that's just very rare. Well, I think I don't know how rare divorce is, but um And with Christians with Christians like genuine Christians, it's very very very low. I don't know
07:24:15
Brian Atlaswhat the stats are, but um Where were they from? I don't know. Christina says I think Are you Canadian, right?
07:24:30
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07:24:44
Paige HamiltonYeah, a lot of times men will die after their like wives die not too soon after, you know. Um If they're old. Yeah, I just don't see the benefit. Like
07:24:55
Brian Atlasfinal thing on the marriage thing I can tell you my reasons for not wanting to get married. Can you give me like a compelling reason why I should
07:25:06
Victoria Bumaget married or men should get married? I think it holds you accountable. Yeah. You know, I know it's seen as a negative thing this whole pre-nup, but I I was actually having a talk about this with
07:25:19
Victoria BumaNoah, but it cuz he believes the same thing. He doesn't believe in marriage. >> W and Ella. I have the same thing. [laughter] >> W and Ella. Um but >> your guns, Noah.
07:25:29
Victoria BumaDoes God Marry this girl. >> Um it's more for safety. I know that we were talking about if someone were to commit adultery, how would you figure
07:25:40
Victoria Bumathat out? How would you split everything and whatever you made during the marriage, especially if you're a growing couple. Obviously, uh when you before you sign a pre-nup, you have to read it, you have to agree with
07:25:52
Victoria Bumait, um and usually both lawyers I believe are in contact to make sure that everyone's getting a fair share. But um I think if you think about it more as
07:26:03
Victoria Bumasafety rather than oh, this is the other person trying >> Safety for who? Safety for the each other each other. How how is it safe for me if I'm the
07:26:14
Brian Atlasbreadwinner? Endless love. I I actually think >> [laughter] >> I actually think that the relationship is at greater risk of ending in a marriage. Why?
07:26:26
Brian AtlasI'll tell you why. Pressure. >> Incentive. What's incentive? Incentive. If uh vaguely unhappy, oh oh, let me just get a consult with an attorney.
07:26:39
Brian AtlasIf I leave him I get this much. Mhm. Ooh, that starts to sound Oh, but if she's just my girlfriend I leave him
07:26:50
Leana (Finland)and I'm back to the streets. She belongs to the streets. Not that I would I would date a I know how much of a value money has, but still
07:27:00
Leana (Finland)I hate the idea of arguing for money. So, in my opinion, to get married it's like with the child support. I never wanted because I didn't want our
07:27:12
Brian Atlasconnection to be Your relationship had to be because [clears throat] of money. that I I think that that's uh I think that's wonderful of of you to do. In fact, even if you, you know, you asked him to help you financially, I
07:27:25
Brian Atlasdon't think that that would be wrong. Um I mean, but I don't think a lot of women in your position do what you did. >> Yeah, I know and I hate it. It's terrible. People argue for a little bit of money just
07:27:37
Brian Atlas>> For For every woman like you, there's a hundred women 100,000. There's a hundred women who are going to go to the the the
07:27:47
Brian Atlascourt. They're going to And I honestly I I agree with you. That creates a lot of like we couldn't we couldn't just talk about this. You want to go to the law. You want to go to the court. I have We
07:28:00
Brian Atlascouldn't come to an arrangement. You want to bring it there. That's going to create, at least from the guy's perspective, like How can you bring life into this world with someone and afterwards argue about
07:28:12
Brian Atlasit just because of money? That I don't get. Well, you're a gem because I can tell you a lot of women who find themselves, whether they become single mothers, they get pregnant and the guy doesn't
07:28:24
Brian AtlasThey they don't just let the guy off the hook. Oh, the scary part is A lot of women don't let men off the hook. They're very happy >> They're entitled.
07:28:34
Brian Atlas>> happy to go to the court system and then force the man Mhm. to pay child support. >> There's actually even men like that and that's actually a scary part. >> Yeah, it it hap- it
07:28:46
Brian AtlasIt does happen to women, but it's very rare. Yeah. It's very rare. And I do think it is the case that uh even if it were to be like, you know, we started seeing women you know, they were
07:28:58
Brian Atlasearning more than Well, they are in some ways, but if if women just were out-earning the the men, I think men just intrinsically would be less inclined to like want to claw money from women.
07:29:12
Brian Atlas>> And they shouldn't. >> saying I'm not saying it doesn't happen. There's definitely men. It happened with Halle Berry. She's paying [ __ ] $10,000 a month to to her uh baby daddy. I don't think they were
07:29:23
Brian Atlasever married. Um Britney Spears paying $40,000 a month to Kevin Federline. Uh they have two kids or three kids or whatever. Um
07:29:34
Brian AtlasThere's definitely be a limit. I think men though over overwhelmingly, even if the man like, oh, she makes a lot of money, you as the guy don't, I think men will be less likely
07:29:47
Brian Atlasto seek that out. Yeah, I think it's because of pride. So, it's scary to know that women doesn't have that. It could be pride and I think uh
07:31:12
Brian Atlas>> to appease the whims of the girl? Why can't she appease my whims? >> But if she does that in every other way, she commits to you, she's
07:31:24
Leana (Finland)>> I'd commit to her. >> submissive, but her dream is to wear that white dress, have that engagement dream, be the princess for a day. I feel like when you find the woman of your like genuine dreams, that might change a
07:31:38
Victoria Bumalittle, especially if she wants marriage. Cuz I know I've been very opposed to many ideas before, you know, meeting certain people, friends, whatever. And when I genuinely
07:31:47
Victoria Bumaappreciated them, they changed. So, but that's just what I think. Maybe you just haven't met somebody where you're really willing to do everything >> I've I've dated great women. I've
07:32:00
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. E- even if I met a great woman >> Mhm. this this marriage thing is really a non- I mean, the only scenario in which I actually would consider getting married is and I don't really care about
07:32:11
Brian Atlasuh a woman's career success though and I think I'm a w- in terms of a woman's income, she'd have to be top 1% for her to earn more than me. Well, yeah, she would have to be.
07:32:23
Brian AtlasThe only instance where it would ever make sense is if she earned just as much or more than than I did. Mhm. And even then even if you guys do earn the same amount, divorces can it can be very messy. It can still be
07:32:36
Brian Atlasvery messy financially. You have to untangle everything. Lawyers get involved. Even if you guys both make the same amount of money. Can you get divorced without lawyers? >> can, I guess, but it's a complicated.
07:32:49
Brian AtlasMost people are not legally competent, I guess, so Typically, you have lawyers handle that and divorces are expensive. Lawyers are expensive. So
07:33:02
Laura>> [clears throat] >> if she's a billionaire oh, [snorts] trust me, I want to marry her. Let's say you have kids together. You'd be together. All money. It's so sad. Yes, because the risk has been eliminated.
07:33:14
Brian AtlasHow about when you're rolling >> My concern My concern with marriage I I don't mind uh it's the financial component of it. Mhm. The risk to me. Mhm. She's She makes 10 10M. She makes 20M. She's a
07:33:27
Brian Atlasbillionaire. >> Maybe you shouldn't be with someone who cares so much about >> me. I'm on one knee and I'm proposing. I'm getting Oh, I'm proposing. I'm the most romantic proposal you've ever [ __ ] seen if she's a billionaire. Trust me. Oh god. Let's say you have
07:33:41
Brian Atlaskids >> to I'm not going to divorce her. I'm like, I'm married to a billionaire. I'm [sighs] a This podcast is going to >> Okay, wow. Wow. Yes, if I'm married to a billionaire, sorry, I don't need a
07:33:53
Brian Atlashuckster. I don't need a huckster for some TTS donos. I'm good. Maybe I'll do this [ __ ] for fun every once in a while, but [ __ ] I actually not >> Yeah, I was going to say, how would your How would your life change if if you
07:34:05
Maria Porchawent from today to marrying this billionaire? I would stop working tomorrow. >> Okay. Wow. Yeah. Hear that, guys? He doesn't really care about money. >> [ __ ] Why are you shaking your head? Isn't this like your passion, what you like to do? So, why are you just going
07:34:20
Leana (Finland)to end it? >> Yeah, exactly. You don't think a man has hobbies or things he would like to do? How would your life change? Are you going to take up surfing again? I would Okay, fully Yes, I would fully focus on
07:34:31
Brian Atlasgetting back to that. Fully focus on fitness. I would fully focus on uh >> [clears throat] >> recreation, travel. Uh I'm pumping a couple kids into her, for sure. Trust me. Actually, no, I want
07:34:44
Brian Atlas10 kids, so I don't know. She's a 20-year-old billionaire. She's perma-pregnant for the next 15 years. And you're going to be a stay-at-home dad. Sure, [ __ ] it. I'll be a stay-at-home If she's a billionaire, you're damn right I'm going to be a stay-at-home dad and I'm going to be the
07:34:56
Victoria Bumabest stay-at-home dad ever. Oh, okay. At least >> to [ __ ] kill it. I'm a [ __ ] kill it, bro. Give me the [ __ ] minivan. Give me the [ __ ] minivan. Dynasty, obviously. >> [laughter]
07:35:09
Brian Atlas>> So, I want Hold on. There's this uh So, so there's like a Bible verse, although I'm agnostic, that that that resonates with me. Uh I'm going to [ __ ] butcher it, but uh sons
07:35:23
Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> I think it's sons in a man's youth, but hold on. I'm Okay, I'm pushing it a little bit here with my age. Um Sons They can find the quote. >> [laughter]
07:35:36
Brian Atlas>> Wait. >> Sons uh Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full
07:35:49
Brian Atlasof them. Wow. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full arrows, sons. Yeah, [ __ ] it. Give me 10 kids.
07:36:01
Brian Atlas10 kids, yeah. Cuz look, you know, you got to I want at least two or three sons. Cuz I want my son Well, I want my sons to have a brother.
07:36:13
Leana (Finland)But maybe one of them is a [ __ ] so I need a backup. So I need three sons. And then whatever it is. >> You know, the older they get, the more definitely you will get girls.
07:36:24
Brian AtlasWell, there is something I heard men who are stressed out, it has an impact on the sperm and it's more likely to be a girl if you're I That's why That's why like really like super I think super
07:36:37
Brian Atlasmasculine guys or I'm not I'm not saying I'm like super masculine whatever, but I'm saying um men who like have stressful jobs or I don't know, just stressed for
07:36:49
Brian Atlaswhatever reason, they end up having a lot of daughters. And you see that with like some of these like super high-achieving men who are also probably stressed. True. They end up having a lot of daughters. Also,
07:37:01
Leana (Finland)They're cursed. Uh guys who are players always end up having daughters, too. Mhm. They're cursed because they were [ __ ] around. >> Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So you're going to
07:37:12
Leana (Finland)to be okay with a woman who gave you 10 kids. So you're also okay with the fact that her looks will definitely change. You're still going to be grateful for that wife
07:37:24
Brian Atlas>> my In this case, my billionaire wife. She's She's the mother of my children. >> if she's not a billionaire and you don't have to marry her? You're still going to love her. Yeah. No matter what. Yeah. Yeah, she gave me
07:37:36
Paige Hamiltonchildren. It's okay you're you got some loose skin around your belly. I don't care. Honestly, since having kids, like I've never I'm the most comfortable I've ever been in my body. Like I like the way I
07:37:48
Paige Hamiltonlook, I like the way I feel. This belly gave me kids. I don't really care what anybody else thinks of it, so. Yeah, I mean look, and if me personally, look, men and women have been having children
07:38:00
Brian Atlasfor thousands and thousands and thousands of years, longer than that. Wasn't an issue. Wasn't an issue. >> it seems to be. It's like Okay, yes. Society's [ __ ] culture's [ __ ] I
07:38:12
Leana (Finland)get it. Am I the only one who thinks that adults nowadays are just grown kids? Like we want Christmas calendars >> Probably a little bit. The advent calendars. Yeah. Like we're adults. There's guys playing video games
07:38:25
Leana (Finland)all the time. We don't want to take any responsibility about anything. Yeah. We don't want to get a wife who's going to look different after having kids, but still we want the kids if we want them. It feels like we live among grown kids.
07:38:38
Brian Atlas>> just want to say if there's any billionaire women watching this, call Brian. Call me, I guess, but yeah. >> I'll let you know if I ever see one. >> [laughter] >> Yeah, [ __ ] But it wouldn't be like it wouldn't be
07:38:51
Brian Atlassome ploy like, oh, I'm going to marry her and then divorce her. You just want to enjoy the money. >> with her. >> Over money. Even if even if she's horrible. No, of course she has to be a good person.
07:39:02
Brian AtlasShe has to be She has to have the other traits I care about. But I'm actually to be to be honest >> overlooked. No, I'd be willing to I would be willing for a genuine billionaire woman, there's a couple
07:39:14
Brian Atlasthings I'm willing to settle on. Do you know how many there are, billionaire women? First off, almost all of them are through divorce or family.
07:39:25
Brian Atlas>> Would you do that one >> Scott, MacKenzie Bezos, whatever. Yeah. She's She's still kind of a babe. I mean, she's like 50 or whatever. >> Wait, would you do the one thing in the bedroom that you say you won't do? >> [sighs] >> Oh, that's
07:39:36
Brian Atlas>> Uh sure, why not? Billionaire bro. That's why >> understand how easy my life would be. I I don't think you guys understand how much a billion is.
07:39:47
Brian AtlasI do. Billion like I don't think you No, I don't think you know. But uh What What was uh What was I saying? No, I mean look, if
07:39:58
Brian AtlasI'd want some of the things that I care about to be in place, but am I willing to give a little bit if she's a billionaire? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
07:40:09
Brian Atlas>> you don't, you lie. Yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know. What's uh She hasn't any instead of an Audi labia. Like I only date women with Audis.
07:40:21
LauraWell, if you like them like that, why are you so afraid of that? We don't have to talk about it. >> afraid of what? Going down on chicks. I know what you're >> [laughter] >> saying. Okay, that's Never mind. That's real show anymore, please. Derail. About the marriage.
07:40:35
Brian Atlas>> Don't worry about that. Wait Wait Wait, final thing. If she has like a the the smallest any ever, but she's a billionaire, I'm taking the deal. I'm taking that deal.
07:40:48
Brian AtlasIf she I don't know. Uh There's probably other things I can think of. I don't know. Tell you what. Undo. How about this like looks-wise? So okay,
07:41:00
Brian Atlashere's my here I'll I'll present the example. She's a 10, but she's broke versus she's a seven, but she's a billionaire. I take the seven.
07:41:14
Brian AtlasI got to take the seven. >> like that's that's a pretty reasonable >> the seven. Billionaire Yeah, you know. >> Yeah. What if she's like a >> like a 10, but she's zero and I have to like work for the rest of my life.
07:41:29
Brian AtlasActually, you know, I'm doing pretty well, so [ __ ] do I take the 10? A billion dollars, that's a lot. Yo, chat. Let me ask the chat. Chat. Chat. Chat. And you have to include how much you
07:41:41
Brian Atlasmake in your response. Chat, do you take the broke dime piece or do you take the the the billionaire, but she's a
07:41:55
Brian Atlasseven? What's your seven? I don't know. Uh Whatever it is for anybody. By the way, if you marry a billionaire, you you don't have to work as the man.
07:42:09
Brian AtlasUh Here, Nick, put it on Twitch and then just pull up the chat. It's probably might be Actually, whatever. Billionaire. Uh seven seven seven. They take the
07:42:21
Brian Atlasseven billionaire. Seven. Broke seven. Wait, broke seven? Somebody says broke. So you take the broke seven. Okay. >> [laughter]
07:42:32
Brian Atlas>> Uh billionaire. Billionaire. >> her a man. Uh chat, just repeat your Now you can F11. Go pull it up.
07:42:44
Brian AtlasUh Uh repeat your answer. So you got you take the seven billionaire over the 10 uh 10 broke key.
07:42:55
Laura>> Is it just a 10 in looks or are they perfect like to you, the personality? >> let's just say personality is the same for both. Oh. Personality same for both.
07:43:04
Brian AtlasUm But the the 10 looks, but broke. Seven bill I I'm seeing a lot of sevens. >> Yeah. Oh, wow. >> the only time you make the trade is like
07:43:15
Brian Atlasif you're already wealthy. If you're already a wealthy guy, then you pick the the 10. Look at that. Oh, these Well, who's more superficial? >> billionaire than the >> woman or the hot one? I don't know.
07:43:29
Brian AtlasUm >> Seven is a really high number. Yeah, if you He says broke 10. Broke 10. I got my own loot. Yeah, if you're already rich, you probably you take the 10.
07:43:43
Brian AtlasYeah, making 90k. So Yeah, the the thing here, [laughter] if you marry a woman who's a billionaire, you you don't have to work anymore. You're You're You're on the [ __ ] yacht. You're on a yacht. You got Everything's taken care
07:43:56
Brian Atlasof. Anyways. Okay, final few things here. Um Hold on.
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07:44:30
SPEAKER_00>> Thank you, man. Ladies, if you're not going to give up to poon poon after you leave the marriage, you're not entitled to half of anything I have. Like imagine if there was like [ __ ] alimony.
07:44:41
LauraLike once a month, my ex-wife has to [ __ ] me. Do you want to after she's ripped your heart out and threw it on the ground? No, but I'm just saying imagine. Imagine. [laughter]
07:44:54
Brian AtlasLike once a month and every other Tuesday a BJ.
07:45:03
Brian AtlasYou'd be like, what the [ __ ] Why do I have to give her money? We ain't [ __ ] anymore. Yeah, you have a point. I don't agree about the alimony thing. Um Okay, final notes for Sophia.
07:45:13
SophiaYou said Uh your thoughts on feminism. Um that it's led to Well, the main cause of just like the degradation of society and why everything is so bad right now
07:45:26
Sophiawith culture and dating and everything, which we You already kind of touched on that earlier, but even from like the Seneca Falls Convention in like what, the 1800s, they were like denouncing Christianity
07:45:38
Brian Atlasand like the values and everything, so. Mhm. Okay. >> Just to say it's just modern feminism. >> Uh Maria, you had one thing here, open relationships. Have you been in an open
07:45:47
Maria Porcharelationship or Um I've been offered that, but declined it. Smart girl. Mhm. Um And then Tori.
07:45:59
Brian AtlasYeah. Tori Tori Tori, yeah. Uh okay. You're What denomination Christian are you? Um so I'm going in between being a Catholic or an Orthodox. Okay, and you
07:46:10
Victoria Bumadid have some disagreements whether or not women should be included in the draft. What was your position? My Well, I say do we really want women in the draft? I mean, we have >> of equality, yes.
07:46:22
Victoria BumaYes, but at the same time you're going to be having, you know, they have >> Should women be allowed to vote? If they're voting for the right person. >> [laughter] >> Are they?
07:46:33
LauraI I think that they I think that they should be allowed to vote, Then they should be drafted. But only for local elections.
07:46:44
Victoria BumaWell, it's it's like you're going to have all these uh healthy young women um who are drafted during the years they are most fertile and they can have the safest child or have children safely.
07:46:57
Victoria Buma>> Are they having children? Are women having children at 18, 19, 20? >> could argue if somebody plans to have children, then So you So we should force women >> tell them Should there be a draft Should
07:47:07
Brian Atlasthere be a draft that women They can pick their partner, Mhm. but you have to have a child. Should there be a birth draft? Mhm. Is
07:47:19
Leana (Finland)it army that you talk about draft or Yeah, the military. Like forcing people >> a lot of facts that a woman in the army like as in a war It would just be a [ __ ] show. Yeah.
07:47:31
Brian AtlasIt will change how the guys act. Women can volunteer for the military, but um there's roles that women can fill in the military. There's plenty of pencil pusher roles for them.
07:47:42
Paige Hamilton>> be drafted because if we're not, you know, lowering the the requirements, they're not going to make it anyway, you know? Only the strongest of the strongest are Well, when you get drafted, everybody gets drafted. >> Well, I mean, if you have health or
07:47:53
Leana (Finland)different like I wanted to go to the army. I was just pregnant. Period. for when I was trying to get pregnant. >> Well, there you go. But um I look, I think if women are allowed to vote,
07:48:04
Leana (Finland)they should be drafted the same way men are. I kind of think that people that have been unemployed for a long time shouldn't vote, but Mhm. it doesn't depend. Yeah. Cuz you're kind kind of been out of the world and everything that happens and
07:48:18
Brian Atlaseverything that has to be decided on. Okay, well, that's a separate conversation. We're not going to talk about that, but the So the the draft You have to pay taxes to vote.
07:48:29
Brian AtlasInteresting. Um >> [snorts] >> So women should not be drafted is your position? I I think it'd be a terrible idea. So,
07:48:40
Victoria Bumayes. It's it's true, but I think for the sake of equality, we should draft women. Well, I feel like that's a little bit of a petty thing to do. I understand. >> Well, I understand where you're coming
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Victoria Bumafrom. >> petty thing would say, for the next 300 years, only women fight. Oh. That would be equalities will equal >> I mean I'm I'm sorry. I'm not trying to put down women, but I feel like we would
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Brian Atlasall be in a very terrible place if that was the case. The country would be in a horrible position. Is drafting like you have to go there? But so why Why can women be allowed Israel has that.
07:49:17
Brian AtlasDrafting is mandatory. Why on wars, but they never have to fight them? >> Israel has that. It's 4 years for guys and 3 for That's like one or There's only one or two countries in the entire
07:49:29
Brian Atlasworld that like have mandatory conscription for women. Maybe it's only Israel. Every other nation Every other country in the world, the United States, it's
07:49:40
Brian Atlasonly men. Only men can be drafted. Uh in fact, in some countries, there's four like uh it's not just the draft. In some countries, regardless of if wartime or not, you have to go to the military. Like you
07:49:53
Leana (Finland)have to join the military as a man for 2, 3, 4 years. >> Yeah. Mhm. So, yeah, women should be drafted. Absolutely not. In a way. >> Absolutely yes. Like you In a situation of a war, Send them to the front line.
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LauraThey can be [laughter] taken Send them to the front line. [ __ ] it. Send them to the front line. Absolutely not. Wait, so You don't think that We're not the same. We're not the same. >> it. I do think it. Well, hold on. Then
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Brian Atlasthen why Why then that makes women a privileged class in society? >> I've of course I've said that from the get-go. Right, but if you want to have equality in feminism and all that, >> [laughter]
07:50:30
Brian Atlas>> You don't, but you do acknowledge that like the the sort of I've been fighting Stop. Stop. The mainstream cultural zeitgeist is my equality and my feminism.
07:50:43
Brian AtlasAnd I have been calling it [ __ ] the whole time. Yep. Men Women have had the vote for 100 years. Feminists have failed to equalize
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Lauraforced military conscription. Either revisit the vote, revisit the vote, or get drafted. Mhm.
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Brian AtlasI'd rather revisit the vote. I would way rather lose my right to vote. >> Yeah? 100%. >> on the table. I would love >> if there was a choice and you could vote on this >> I would love for women >> If you could vote. Women are on the
07:51:15
Brian Atlasverge of being forced to go to war, military conscription, for being subject to military draft. You can evade it though if women vote to
07:51:25
Brian Atlasrescind their ability to vote. Okay, no. Women don't have to Do you trade? Do you make the trade? To never be able to vote again or to have >> you give up your right to vote, but you
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Victoria Bumacan never be drafted. Yes. Yes? I see good and bad in both. Just answer. Quick. >> [laughter] >> Yes. Um I'm not voting then.
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LauraYeah. Not voting. Giving it up. >> Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no war. Yes. Not voting. All right, that's interesting. [laughter] Um I don't >> Absolutely. I I typically vote the
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Lauraopposite of the females that I know. So, I would rather them not be voting >> [laughter] >> than go than have to be drafted. Yes. The only thing is though is that it is
07:52:12
Brian Atlascompletely politically untenable to ever even have a conversation about walking back women's rights to vote. Ergo, women should be drafted. That's the only practical thing that would ever happen.
07:52:25
Brian AtlasWomen are never Women's right to vote will never be relinquished. That's true. If we keep pushing forward, it's just going to No, but In this room it is. Whether you're conservative No, well, I'm actually
07:52:37
Brian AtlasLook, I I don't have a strong position on walking back women's right to vote. I think there's obviously consequences. Yes, I want women to go to war. They should be drafted. Look, just because I
07:52:48
Brian Atlasunderstand in terms of what is po po Oh my god. Politically tenable, Mhm. you're not getting rid of the 19th Amendment. It's never [ __ ] happening. It's not
07:52:58
Brian Atlaseven worth having a conversation. Thus, what is what is actually the reality? Women do have the right to vote. Cool. Let's create equality between men and women. You guys want equality? Let's give you equality.
07:53:12
Brian AtlasMhm. You're not getting drafted. Don't worry. I was subject to I I was subject to it. I had to register for the selective service to even be eligible to vote, to receive financial
07:53:24
Brian Atlasaid, to get student loans. If I ever wanted to have a federal job or something, you have to be registered with the selective service. Mhm. But you didn't get drafted. Doesn't
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Brian Atlasmatter. I was subject to it. Women weren't and never have been subject to it. If [ __ ] popped off with North Korea when I was 18, trust me, [ __ ] popped off with China, Russia,