35 w/ CRAZY Standards?! REFUSES TO SETTLE?! Obese Girl WILL NOT Date Obese Man?! | Dating Talk #267
Date: 2025-11-03
Duration: 8h 07m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Victoria Buma(guest)
SPEAKER_04Felicity(host)
SPEAKER_05Sabrina(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Leana (Finland)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Sophia(guest)
SPEAKER_10Laura(guest)
SPEAKER_11Paige Hamilton(guest)
SPEAKER_12Maria Porcha(guest)
Key Moments
00:05:27
IntroAll 7 guests + Felicity introduce themselves
00:15:36
ControversyVictoria's 'Hitler always peaked my interest' TikTok played and discussed
“Hitler always peaked my interest okay.”
00:21:53
RelationshipFull relationship status round-table
00:32:15
Key MomentVictoria reveals she just started dating Noah (a Marine fan of the show) literally yesterday. He sends $200 super chat.
01:02:00
ControversyBrian confronts Sabrina about expecting fit men while being ~40% body fat herself
01:47:40
ControversyLaura openly admits to being 'slightly misogynistic' toward women
02:41:28
ControversyMaria names Europe, America, Asia as countries (all wrong), then Tokyo, Paris
02:44:05
ControversySabrina cannot name the continent she lives on for several agonizing minutes
05:24:55
Key MomentBrian expects women to do his laundry first visit, sparking show's biggest debate
06:00:01
QuoteVictoria: 'If willing to sleep with a man, should be okay folding his laundry'
06:27:00
Key MomentBrian counsels Paige about being mouthy to husband, quotes Proverbs 21:19
07:51:00
AgreementEvery woman chooses to give up voting over being subject to military draft
Topics Discussed
00:05:27
Guest Introductions
Maria (27, model/psych student from LA), Leana (36, Finnish mechanic born in Jerusalem), Victoria (19, controversial social media), Laura (31, unemployed Calabasas), Paige (32, married mother from NY), Sabrina (35, data analyst), Sophia (18, history student).
00:15:31
Victoria's Hitler Video
Victoria's TikTok about Hitler 'peaking her interest' played. She explains she studies historical figures. Leana (born in Jerusalem, Jewish) says she wasn't offended.
00:21:53
Relationship Status Round
Maria single 2 years. Leana in 7-year relationship. Victoria just started dating Noah yesterday. Laura single 4 years. Paige married 10 years (both virgins). Sabrina never >6 months. Sophia never dated.
00:58:18
Sabrina's High Expectations Debate
Sabrina won't date obese men despite being ~40% body fat herself. Brian challenges the double standard. Extended debate about asymmetry in attraction.
01:16:08
Laura's Anti-Wealth Stance
Laura finds extreme wealth 'gross' and 'disgusting.' Believes money corrupts people. Wants to live on a ranch in Texas.
01:47:40
Laura's Self-Described Misogyny
Laura admits to being 'slightly misogynistic.' Believes men are stronger, smarter, faster. Critiques the Whatever podcast.
02:41:28
Felicity's Trivia - Countries and Continents
Maria names Europe, Asia, Tokyo as countries. Sabrina cannot name the continent she lives on for several painful minutes.
02:50:20
Minimum Income Requirements
Maria: $300K. Leana: average. Victoria: $100-150K. Laura: no minimum. Paige: $85K. Sabrina: $80K. Sophia: $100K.
02:57:00
Man vs Bear Question
All women ultimately say man. Paige hesitates due to trust issues from absent father.
04:08:15
Body Count Reveal
Maria <5. Victoria 1 (one non-consensual). Laura refuses (implied 20+). Sophia 0. Paige 1 (husband only). Sabrina refuses.
04:48:02
Self-Rating Looks
Maria 10, Leana 6, Victoria 6, Laura 6, Paige 5, Sabrina 5, Sophia 3-5. AI age/gender filters shown.
05:24:55
The Laundry Debate
Major debate: should women do a man's laundry first visit? Victoria: 'if willing to sleep with him, should fold his laundry.' Laura eventually concedes after boyfriend/girlfriend.
06:06:01
The Bow Expectation
Brian shows ex bowing video. Most initially refuse but say yes for 'the perfect man.'
06:25:16
Paige's Marriage Advice
Brian reads Paige's notes about being mouthy to husband Skyler. Quotes Proverbs 21:19. Gives Skyler Hamlet quote as rhetorical weapon.
06:55:00
Brian's Anti-Marriage Stance
Brian refuses to marry: divorce risk, alimony, 80% of divorces initiated by women. Would only marry a billionaire woman. Would be stay-at-home dad.
07:46:00
Women and the Draft
All women choose to give up voting rights rather than be subject to military draft.
Transcript
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02:55:15
Leana (Finland)minimum height of a man you would date? Um, I'm 5'7, minimum I'm going to say 6 ft. Okay, what about you? I don't really know. I didn't say in centimeters, so.
02:55:27
Leana (Finland)But I'm a hobbit, so a guy who's a little bit taller than me goes. What would be the centimeters? 162, probably. That's about 4 5'5. Sounds about right. 162?
02:55:40
Victoria Buma>> 162, yeah. >> 140 was I don't know. I'm Okay, next. Yeah. Um,
02:55:49
Victoria BumaI mean, I'm 5'2, almost 5'3. Um, for me what matters is somebody who could protect me. At the moment the man that I'm
02:56:01
Victoria Bumagirlfriend and boyfriend with, he is 6 ft, so that is the standard for me. So, at least 6 ft. Yes. For any guy that you date ever? No. I'm more worried I cuz you can meet
02:56:12
Victoria Bumaa 6'4 guy who will run away like the first sign of danger, so it really doesn't matter. So, a protector. Yes, absolutely. >> a little a little taller and can protect you.
02:56:22
Paige Hamilton>> Absolutely. Okay, what about you? Taller than me and I'm 5'6. So, 5'7. Okay. I'm 5'2, so it's pretty easy to be taller than me, but when I was dating somebody like at my height at least, but
02:56:34
Sophiamy husband is 6 ft. Which is really nice, not going to lie. Okay, next. I'm 5'5. Um, anyone just a little bit taller. 5'6. Yeah. Okay, next. I'm 5'3 and anyone taller who can
02:56:47
Felicityprotect me. So, 5'4 if he's like If he's sturdy, yes. Absolutely. Okay. Would you rather cross paths with a
02:56:57
Maria Porcharandom man or a random bear on a hike? Ooh. I know that's like the question the bear or the man question, but >> Yeah.
02:57:10
FelicityI mean, a random man. That happens. >> Cuz you you wrote random woman. Oh, wait, did I write on there? Is this you? Are you Maria? Yeah. Yeah, you wrote random woman.
02:57:22
Maria PorchaI thought I circled it. No. Maybe I read it I was like quickly. >> No, you wrote it like it's in writing random woman. >> [laughter] >> Okay, I thought it was the I think I read woman or man on a hike. That's what
02:57:35
Leana (Finland)I like read. >> Oh, okay. Next. Definitely a man. I love animals. I will freaking feed the bear and die. Okay, next. I'm not fighting off a bear, definitely
02:57:47
Lauraa man. Okay, next. A man, probably. Probably? Yeah. What do you mean probably? >> I've seen bears. You're scared. I've
02:57:57
Lauraseen both on on trails, so either either one is fine. Not afraid of either of them. Why aren't you afraid of a bear? I've seen them on trails.
02:58:10
FelicityYeah, but >> Angeles National Forest. I've seen them So, you're just like nonchalant, don't care that there's a bear walking past you. I've also seen them in Mammoth. Um,
02:58:21
FelicityI mean, like I'm not running up to it and and feeding it. I do I mean, they're cute. I guess yeah, like I've seen bears from a distance. I don't care, but I I'm thinking of it
02:58:33
Felicitymore like if I and cross paths. Okay. Like, you know when you're walking on a hike and like a random person passes you and like, "Oh, hey, whatever." Like if this bear is Like imagine if that was a bear running towards you.
02:58:44
Felicity>> So, I think I would see it before I was right next to [clears throat] it, but Would it Would the answer still depend in that scenario? I mean, again, I was just saying I'm I'm
02:58:56
Lauranot afraid of either of them and I would probably choose a man that I Yeah. >> afraid of polar bears? No, I've never uh seen one.
02:59:08
Felicity>> aggressive. I think um like naturally your fight or flight would kick in if you see like a big scary >> a polar bear, you're going to die. I could show you a picture of a bear that
02:59:20
SPEAKER_00was like 15 ft away from me. Honestly, if it was like a black bear and it was like in the distance, I get it, but um Okay. I don't know if it depends. >> from the government of Canada.
02:59:30
SPEAKER_00Pasty George donated $200.04. Can the female panelists who are helping and giving hints on questions to the others please stop? You're just proving
02:59:42
SPEAKER_00that the others can't use their own brains. No more sisterhood bull poop. Okay. Yo, George. Uh
02:59:54
Brian AtlasWelcome, George. You've been here for like 2 hours already, but thank you thank you for the the message. Were they Were they helping out? Yeah. They were helping out? Oh my goodness. Not with me.
03:00:06
FelicityI don't want to see them helping out. I want to see them struggle. I want to see them struggle. I don't care if you don't know it. Let's sit here for the entire night and wait until one of them answers. >> me sad. >> [laughter]
03:00:17
Felicity>> I'm I'm not being serious. I mean I mean, eventually came to. So, what the hell? Well, it came to. But like you're not It's kind of just derailing the show if you guys like give her the answer cuz I'm not looking for her
03:00:29
Brian Atlas>> We were We were trying to like just hint, you know? She was nudging her She just needed a hint. Can I answer the bear question? I need to Oh, you want to do the bear? I do want to answer the bear question. Well, yeah, we'll we'll do that. Um
03:00:40
LauraI have I've just Oh, my bad. Were Were we going across? Well, she was I was talking to her cuz she was like, "It depends." No, I said it I said either one is fine.
03:00:51
LauraI've run into bears on trails. I've run into men on trails. I'm afraid of neither unless I mean, obviously, I don't want to get too close to a bear, but I'm not going to It's not going to spring on me and all of a sudden be right in front of my face.
03:01:05
Brian AtlasOkay. Um I did have one thing I wanted to Oh, jeez. I'm going to say that. Just super quick while I was We'll We'll come right back to the bear thing.
03:01:15
Brian AtlasI just overheard something while I'd step stepped away. You said like a guy's money doesn't matter at all to you. Like it wouldn't make him more attractive. >> have a minimum requirement standard.
03:01:27
LauraThat is >> It doesn't know It doesn't make him more or less attractive whether he makes $50,000 or $500,000. It's not like 50 million? That's
03:01:38
Lauradisgusting. It's disgusting? What Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I You know what? I'm not even going to say >> him as a person >> it's I mean, I'm open to hearing you out. What Why is it disgusting? $50
03:01:49
Brian Atlasmillion annually >> Close. Sorry, $50 million annually is just >> worth, I guess. 35-year-old 50 50M net worth. I just can't
03:01:59
LauraI can't imagine that much money being like with one person. Okay, I give back even with like my income,
03:02:11
Laurawhich is not >> Well, what I'm saying is $50 million It's almost like sickening to think that you haven't given away Well, who do you donate to? And I'm not I'm not even a liberal. I'm not like,
03:02:24
Laurayou know, over here trying to say like, "Oh, I hate rich people." It's not like that at all, but I am not attracted to that. That's not something that I'm Why But why would you assume that I mean, many people who are wealthy, who have
03:02:36
Brian Atlasthat level of income, many of them do engage in philanthropy and do give money and donate. Why is the assumption that they don't? Because to have $50 million.
03:02:48
LauraOkay, yeah, they might donate a little bit here and there, but to have that much money But Okay, well, um I am coming from like
03:02:57
Brian AtlasIt would It would just to be clear, it would give you an ick if to to date a guy who made 50 million versus a guy who made 50,000. It's I'm That's fine if it's your
03:03:09
Lauraposition. Is that your position? Yeah, kind of. Unless he was willing to help out a lot of causes that I currently help out. >> So, you said that you [laughter] You said that you donate or you
03:03:23
Laura>> Yes, so >> I shouldn't, especially right now because I am unemployed, but I'm currently fostering three cats. I donate to rescues regularly.
03:03:35
LauraWhat One of them being my aunt's rescue. I don't know if I'm allowed to name it, but she has like 50 cats in a barn setting and she has a lot of land and
03:03:45
Laurashe puts her entire income into this rescue. So, that and and like obviously living and her her land costs, but >> Oops. Party foul. [laughter] But I'm just saying like so if I 50
03:03:56
Lauramillion is unimaginable to me because I would have given it to something else. So, having that much money just to be gluttonous and like what buy a Gucci bag? Like it's it's pathetic to me. But that's just my stance. Really quick,
03:04:08
Lauralet's just come back to you said you do philanthropy. So, you Do you donate to a charity or Uh yes, I donate to different rescues and people that I know that do TNR,
03:04:19
Laurawhich is trap, neuter, return, all over Los Angeles. I don't know if I'm allowed to say >> much in the past 3 years, how much would you say you've donated? Um
03:04:32
LauraIt's a good question. Well, are you saying monetary donations or cuz I I typically donate through food. So, I buy from my local place. I'll buy like
03:04:43
Laura$300 worth of food and tell her to come pick it up because I want to support my local businesses, my local pet shops. Okay, so you will buy food for the rescue and
03:04:55
Laura>> And also donate money. I'll I'll Venmo different people. Uh okay. Um And I And I don't make a ton of money, but I'm just saying if I had $50
03:05:05
Brian Atlasmillion, it would be going towards better What What was the language you used there? You said it was it disgusting or was it gross or what? I'm trying to remember exactly what you >> I I might have said
03:05:17
Brian Atlasgross. Gross. It's gross to have 50 million. What Why is that? >> [sighs] >> It's I don't know. It's just It's just >> anti-capitalist? >> No, I'm not at all. Not at all. I just
03:05:29
Laura>> How do you reconcile not I just couldn't live with myself with $50 million. >> You couldn't live with your No, You do realize though if if you did have 50 million There's so many things that
03:05:39
Lauracauses that need money and I'm a huge cat lover, huge animal lover. So, like different uh causes that I
03:05:51
Brian AtlasYeah. Well, I mean, wouldn't it logical Rehabilitation and rescues and >> Can you allow me to just >> Sorry. You It sounded like there was a period there. I started my sentence. I'd
03:06:02
Brian Atlasappreciate if you let me finish my sentence. Sorry. So, if you had $50 million, you could hell, if you were so inclined, you could
03:06:14
Brian Atlasgive 40 million of that to the charities of your choice. But what is the grossness or objection to the 50 million? I don't understand. >> Meeting somebody with that much money
03:06:27
Brian Atlaswho hasn't like >> You You would judge them. If they hold on to their money, they're Are they evil? What are they? >> I don't know. >> How's it Why is it greed?
03:06:40
Victoria Buma>> greed because and I do understand where you're coming from. I don't know if you've ever grown up, but go ahead. I don't know if you've ever grown up around wealthy people. I was blessed My father was a very, very hard working man. He came from nothing.
03:06:52
Victoria BumaAt some point he was making a couple million a month. He was I'm not even trying to glaze my dad, but he was extremely generous to not only his children and his wife, but to the people
03:07:03
Victoria Bumaaround him, to his employees. You know, and I'm not trying to say that your opinion is wrong, but I think that you unfortunately just weren't able to experience the good side or the good people who are wealthy. I
03:07:15
Victoria Bumaalso know a lawyer who tips every time he comes in to a restaurant. He tips the server $100, tips the hostess at least 20 50. You know, I I don't know and I'm
03:07:26
Victoria Bumasorry that you've never experienced that, but in just my experience, wealthy people can be extremely generous, even more so than people who are not at that level. You know, but I just encourage
03:07:37
Victoria Bumayou to maybe like open up that a little bit because you can also be wealthy, too. You can help out people. There's nothing stopping you, but I think just having that mindset that all wealthy people are greedy and they're gluttonous
03:07:50
Victoria Bumaand I think that's not only going to kind of make this It's going to give you this animosity towards them. It's going to stop you from ever growing as well. But that's just what I think and I I
03:08:01
Leana (Finland)loved it when you said in the beginning of the show that if you already have something in you to be able to be the bad person, you can be with a lot of money. >> Absolutely. That will Mhm. bring it out
03:08:14
Brian Atlaswhen you get the lot of money. And I think if you have experience with with that, it's probably been with people like that. Oh my god, you guys are being way too [ __ ] nice with her.
03:08:24
Brian AtlasSo, just to be clear, you would date you would date boy. If presented with two options of men you could date and they're both the same. They're both the same. Both the same,
03:08:35
Brian Atlasbut one makes $50,000 a year, the other makes $5 million a year, you pick the guy who makes 50,000.
03:08:45
LauraUm Again, it's it's it's not like these random scenarios are Do you want to answer the question and then give your explanation? Um
03:08:58
LauraI don't know which one I would choose. I've never thought about it, okay? But you just said money gross money bad. >> No, but I what I'm saying is somebody who's amassed 50 million and is just like sitting on this pile of wealth for
03:09:10
Brian Atlas>> Well, most hold on. Most people who have like a 50M net worth, it's not liquid. It's like in it's in stocks and it's in their business and it's in real estate and all this stuff. I mean maybe it could there's probably
03:09:23
Laurathere's certainly people who have 50M liquid. But I don't Okay, so they they amassed >> of the guy making $50,000 would align more with my personality. >> personality is the same.
03:09:35
Brian AtlasThat makes it really difficult. >> Or the the rich guy has a better personality than the guy who makes less. Then that's all that matters. So you go the rich guy. >> with the person that I fall in love with, Brian. That's what you're not
03:09:48
Lauraunderstanding. I don't care how much somebody makes. If I fall in love with you, that's Yeah. >> And I don't fall in love with you because of money. That's it. Like it doesn't it doesn't come into my mind
03:09:59
Lauralike how much money do you make? Like I've never asked that to anybody. I think it's a bit of a virtue signal. I mean
03:10:08
Brian AtlasOkay. I understand that it's maybe low like you you don't you'll date a guy and you can have a great relationship with a guy who doesn't have a lot of money. That's absolutely plausible, but
03:10:20
Brian Atlasthis idea that once a guy starts earning a lot of money that then then he goes into a territory of like less desirable as he starts making more money.
03:10:32
Brian AtlasThat's kind of odd to me and this I like I think about a guy >> he could. I'm not saying that it happens every time. But a guy who makes who who's wealthy or well-off and that
03:10:44
Brian Atlasmight not be 5 million a year, maybe it's 200, 300 $1,000 a year. That's really that's a really great income uh and you can live a really good life off of that. Uh I don't know. It just seems
03:11:00
LauraWhat why would it be a negative though? I I don't I don't know. That seems odd to me. 200, 300,000 is not the same as having 50 million dollars. If you're making that much money
03:11:12
Laura>> Okay, he's a billionaire. You wouldn't date a billionaire? I haven't thought about it. I haven't given it any thought. >> think about it right now. >> If he if he wants to
03:11:26
Brian Atlasuh help out cat rescues >> [laughter] >> How about here's an interesting question for you. Uh you love him, he loves you, but there's one sticking point. He's got a lot of
03:11:38
Brian Atlaswealth. But he's like, you know, got all this money. I'm not going to donate any of it though. He's just, you know, I want to provide for you, for the family and I don't want to donate any of it.
03:11:50
Brian Atlas>> So what what is it for? What is it all for? No, that's what I that's what I ask people like Hopefully your your children and the future children and the generations and generations and >> this is something >> generational wealth?
03:12:01
Brian Atlas>> that's not what I that's not that's not something that I aim for. >> Hold on. You don't want to you don't want to you don't want to you don't want to set up your great great great great grandkids? Wow, that seems a bit dysfunctional. Okay.
03:12:12
Laura>> to No, I want them to um grow up in a similar way that I have. I want them to um Wait, wait. Didn't you say you were like a like had I don't I don't want to
03:12:25
Brian Atlassay the word abuse, but you said you had really bad experiences with like your female Oh, no. I I don't have great female Yeah. You want them to you want your kids to grow up how you grew up? >> No, yeah. Well By being abused by the
03:12:38
Laurafemales in the family? >> not abused whatsoever. >> You were maltreated. >> I was I was not abused whatsoever. Um I like my dad has money, but he didn't he never
03:12:48
Lauragave me money and it was never No, so what I'm saying is Well, was that bad or was that good? >> great. It was great. I was taught so many lessons. I I Yeah.
03:12:59
Brian AtlasBut I I think even if you're obscenely wealthy, you can still like I mean if if I fell into like vast amounts of wealth uh or, you know, I'm currently doing
03:13:09
Brian Atlasfairly well, but I mean not not super crazy, not 5M or not [ __ ] 10M, 50M a year. Uh I don't want to give my children the impression that like we're insanely rich.
03:13:22
Laura>> Yeah, I want to raise my kids very modestly. Yeah, I want them to struggle a little bit. I want them to work at 16 like I did. I want them I want their I want them to have a comfortable life and thing Well, hold on. Let me >> Comfortable life is not 300,000 or two 5
03:13:34
Brian Atlasmillion. >> their needs to be taken care of and if there's something that they need, then it can be taken care of and I want, you know, a a good home and, you know, we we can have uh certain leisure activities
03:13:46
Brian Atlasand stuff. But like I don't ever they're not going to be wearing like [ __ ] bling to school and [ __ ] No, like I want them to I want I would want my children to have like some degree of
03:13:57
Brian Atlasmodesty to them. So I don't want them to think I'm not I'm not going to like instill in them really anything about money in terms of them having like a big head about the family money. Yeah, well if you have 50
03:14:10
Brian Atlasmillion dollars >> money so that I can provide security for my children. When I say secure I just I don't mean like a security guard bodyguard. Um I mean just having >> place to live.
03:14:21
Leana (Finland)>> Yeah, have a nice home and take care of necessities and this sort of thing. But You can teach your kids values with money even though your parents have it. >> you. Thank you.
03:14:32
Brian AtlasYou can you can still give the your your children that sort of upbringing even if you're obscenely wealthy. Maybe you can hide that [ __ ] a little bit. You don't let on to them. I'm a billionaire, blah
03:14:45
Brian Atlasblah blah. You can be like, "And look, we're doing good. You want a bike? I'll get you a bike." You know. Let me give you an example of a billionaire. >> still raise them in a a modest way if that makes sense. Go ahead. Elon Musk, you think he's a good dad?
03:14:58
LauraYou think he's spending time with his children? Because no, he's he's he's in the companies way more. He's building his companies and not his children or their values or anything and most of
03:15:08
Laurathem despise him and that is what wealth You might think, "Oh, it's everything." No, spending time with your family and spending time with your wife and having love between the two of you and like
03:15:21
Victoria Bumathat's what's important and I don't know. I will tell you this. I don't know if you have experienced the lowest of the low. I have also experienced that and I I I think when you do, you will realize
03:15:33
Victoria Bumahow important wealth is. Wealth is everything, especially in America. You cannot get There's wealth is security. Wealth is respect. You know, again, I don't know if you've ever experienced
03:15:45
Victoria Bumathe complete opposite side to wealth, but I I I am telling you. You know, it is very important and I would never my opinion in my opinion, I would want my kids to be comfortable, not spoiled, but
03:15:57
Victoria Bumacomfortable. I don't want them to have to worry about, you know, I want them to have the best schooling. I want them to have all that stuff, you know. >> It's luxury to have the time to give it to your kids and if you don't have the wealth, you don't have the time to give them.
03:16:10
Brian AtlasSo to answer your question, you brought up Elon Musk. I don't look this guy is a very unique he has a very unique dynamic. I don't think it's really fair to use him as like the go-to example of
03:16:21
Brian Atlasa billionaire. He has like four, five, six baby mamas. He's like doing like a uh like he's trying to I don't know if it's like clan building or I mean he he wants
03:16:33
Brian Atlasto impregnate multiple women. That's kind of out of the norm. Do you does he he had Look, I think there there probably reaches a point
03:16:43
Brian Atlaswhen you have so many different children with a different mothers and you have you're operating as like the CEO of like three, four different like multi-billion dollar companies.
03:16:56
Brian AtlasProbably doesn't have a lot of time to be involved. Um Do you know any billionaire children? And how well they were raised by their >> met a billionaire. I don't So
03:17:08
Brian Atlas>> No, I'm but I'm saying like children of billionaires like have their parents aren't the best. Well, then we hold on. I don't
03:17:17
Brian Atlasknow if that's even true, but and by the way, there's very few billionaires to begin with, but you you say I feel like probably Elon Musk's children like I
03:17:29
Brian Atlasdon't know the dynamics in terms of like the degree to which he's financially contributing to their lives or whatever. I don't I don't know if that's ever been investigated. Who knows what the dynamics are.
03:17:41
Brian AtlasUm The his children are probably well-off. Uh I I think one of the one of his children is a bit of a interesting one, but
03:17:51
Felicityum Wealthy people are just like normal people. I know Yeah. I know people that come from so much money and you would have no idea. Their family life is just like everyone else's. There's not it's
03:18:03
Felicitynot like once you hit a certain amount, you're like a horrible person, a bad parent and like absent. Obviously, like every parent has their work life and their home life, but it's not like
03:18:15
Felicitypeople that are children's of like multi-millionaires are like more neglected or whatever just because their parent makes a lot of money. I mean, is there an experience you've
03:18:27
Victoria Bumagone through? >> I grew up in Calabasas. Calabasas and you found that your parents weren't there for you. >> No, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about me. Like I I had a I got a great upbringing. I'm just talking about like
03:18:40
LauraWho said that wealthy people don't donate? No. Where did that idea come from? I'm What I'm saying is that when you raise your children with a certain amount of money, they come out toxic,
03:18:52
Leana (Finland)delusional, and uh not all not every time, but >> them with money, if you throw money at them instead of being their parents. And
03:19:03
Felicitydrug addictions? You turn your mic down. I've I have I'm close with a lot of people that come from families that And none of them have drug addictions or alcohol addictions?
03:19:14
Victoria Buma>> Why would they have drug addictions? >> Um because they can afford cocaine. What? No, they they don't [clears throat] He's not like taking his parents' money and buying coke. >> Some of the wealthiest people I met, again, were the most well-behaved. I'm
03:19:25
Felicitytalking people who came from old money. >> like have They go to schools like Montessori and stuff where they have to learn etiquette and manners in class. And some of them are better behaved, again, than people who bash on them. It's super simple.
03:19:37
Brian AtlasUh yes, uh people from an affluent background can turn out bad. People who grew up poor can turn out really good.
03:19:47
Brian AtlasBut they can also turn out bad. And then uh people who grew up rich also can turn out just fine and be So I don't think it's like the ultimate determining factor. But I mean, I do
03:19:58
Brian Atlasthink wealth confers a lot of privileges and benefits that would maybe make it more likely, I think, to actually turn out good. Um not not necessarily. It's not like a
03:20:09
Brian Atlasguarantee. But I think, you know, if you go to like private school or you have certain benefits like that or the mom can stay home and she you know, if the
03:20:21
Brian Atlasguy the man's just super wealthy, the the mother can just stay at home stay at home mom doesn't have to work. I think being a stay-at-home mom is the not to say that, you know, if both
03:20:34
Brian Atlasparents work not to say that the kid's going to turn out to be some [ __ ] murderer criminal. I think the best result that you can have for children is a mother at home. >> If you have So do you agree with that? >> completely agree with that. My sister is
03:20:47
Lauraone of those. And you know what her husband doesn't make? Millions of dollars. Well, And they're perfectly They're some of the happiest couples I know are the ones that are not rich.
03:20:58
Brian AtlasOkay, that's fine. But like the economic and financial reality is in order to enable one person Look, whether it's the man or the woman in or in or tip- though typically the typical dynamic is the
03:21:10
Brian Atlaswoman stays home. In order to enable that, the man has to make a certain amount of income for that to be possible. Now, there's another component. You can, you know, reduce your lifestyle, reduce those sorts of
03:21:22
Brian Atlasthings. Okay, well, we're going to have just one car and we're going to live in this neighborhood and we're going to live in this state and we're not going to go on vacation. You can you know, you can do some flexibility there if the guy isn't a massively high earner. But if
03:21:34
Brian Atlasthe guy is a high earner, then you can have pretty much all of that and the wife can stay at home. I guess my confusion here is if you acknowledge that the best thing for the children is to have one of the parents stay at home,
03:21:47
Brian Atlaswhy wouldn't you date the guy who makes 50M when you definitely don't have to work then? I that's just it's just not something that I am interested
03:21:59
Laurain. I don't I don't know what else to say. I don't want to raise my kids with 50 million dollars. >> Even though it's security for both of you. So just Yeah, yeah, exactly. >> my husband also wouldn't work. If we had 50 million dollars, then we would just, you know,
03:22:10
Brian Atlas>> would Yeah, I mean, if he's Let's maybe he wants to work though and he you know, [sighs] um let's just say he's the the wealth is at a level where he he's like, "Well, I don't want to retire."
03:22:23
Brian AtlasUh but he makes a lot of money. I don't know. I'm just confused like So you would rather like hustle and struggle and have a husband and perhaps even yourself that are going
03:22:35
Brian Atlasto have to work until retirement age or post-retirement age versus assuming some in this hypothetical the guy who makes
03:22:46
Laura10 million dollars a year, you wouldn't take that? Uh I I just don't see that that those people being the same kind of person. That's all I'm saying.
03:22:58
Brian Atlas>> Okay, so here I'll I'll ask it super simply. Two options. >> Yes. You could date a guy and he's a good guy, treats you well, whatever, you're attracted to him. Uh he makes 10 million dollars a year.
03:23:09
Brian AtlasGuy number one. And an entailment of that is you don't have to work. He's like, "Look, I'm making good money. I just you don't have to work. I'll retire you. Just take care of the kids, take care of
03:23:22
Brian Atlasthe household, take care of the family, whatever." And that 10 million a year, like you guys can But is he absent all the time? Let's just say this. Um I don't know. Uh he he um
03:23:34
Brian Atlashe works What's the average? 40 hours a week is the average? All right. I'll I'll put it at 50 hours just because um you know, he's a 10 million a year. Yeah, he's working a little He's working
03:23:46
Brian Atlasabove average. He's working 50 hours a week. Uh Option number two. He makes 50,000 dollars a year
03:23:58
Brian Atlasand in order the financial reality of living in California or wherever you want to live, whatever, that's kind of secondary. You're going to have to work, too. You're both going to have to work the rest of your lives. Which Which man do
03:24:10
Laurayou pick? And he's good and he he treats you well and blah blah blah. Oh my god. I would probably pick the guy that makes You said 5 million or 10? 10 million dollars a year or 50 hours a week? >> 10 million 10 million. Yeah, okay. 10
03:24:24
Lauramillion. >> that because I don't want to work when I have young children. Then what the [ __ ] are we arguing about? Hello? I [laughter] I'm just saying that I don't discriminate.
03:24:37
LauraI don't discriminate based on how much money you make. I don't ask questions of how much money do you make or Google what their job is or, you know, I I don't care. That's what I'm That's my only point. I don't know
03:24:48
Brian Atlaswhy we're stuck on this. Well, no, but it it got to a a point where there it wasn't just Look, if he makes 50 I understand that you'll date a guy who doesn't make a lot of money.
03:24:58
Brian AtlasThat's totally fine. I have no qualms there. But then it got into this conversation about I it's icky. Like I >> sitting on 50 million.
03:25:09
Brian Atlas>> If somebody has a lot of money, that's kind of icky. I would perhaps I understand you don't care about it, but it's kind of like
03:25:21
Brian AtlasI don't understand why you wouldn't just take it. Like, okay, two guys that are equivalent. One makes 50,000 dollars a year, one makes 10 million dollars a year. Like They're never the same person. >> The the benefit though that the benefit
03:25:32
Brian Atlasthat it would extend to you for a guy to be that wealthy, it's just you could have a maid. You could have a private chef. Maybe I don't want to All your expenses are You'll never have to
03:25:45
Brian Atlasworry about money in your life again. People's number one stressors in life is like job and money and I got to pay the rent and my [ __ ] health care. Everything. You date a guy, you marry a guy who makes 10M,
03:25:57
Laurayou're good for life. All that stress is gone. You can stop working and >> won't take it. I don't under- whatever. Take care of the cats you wanted to take care of. No, but when you're but when when you're working,
03:26:10
Victoria Bumait builds character and it also >> You're a slave for some [ __ ] corporation. >> It [ __ ] sucks. It kind of reminds me of, you know, like the little princess that wants to go out to see like Dude, I've had I've had so much I've bro, I've
03:26:22
Lauratraveled a ton and I've had a lot of different jobs and I've seen a lot of things. I've done a lot of things. You're acting like I'm some You want to struggle. Basically. I mean, it's sadism. Or no, sorry, masochism. My bad.
03:26:35
Felicity>> No. Well, also you It's not that I want to struggle. I don't think work is a struggle. >> said that you don't discriminate and then you're saying that people that make that that are high earners are like bad people. I'm not saying I'm not saying
03:26:47
Laurathat they're all bad. It's not the same thing. I said the chances of your children being for lack of a better term effed up is if
03:27:00
Brian Atlasyou're a billionaire, it's it's higher than you would think. What what about just like instead of going extreme with billionaire, what about just like a guy who makes like
03:27:10
Brian Atlasfive 5M a year? Are your Are your chances of being [ __ ] up higher if your father makes that much money?
03:27:21
Brian AtlasI I I don't know, but >> that be an extension of Is there a More money, more problems. Oh my god. I It's It's completely
03:27:32
Laurabackwards. Your chances I or I think You think that? But what I've witnessed and what I've seen through my lifetime leads
03:27:40
Laurame to believe that when you raise your children to be entitled and rich and whatever, they end up These virtues can Hold on. But that's not
03:27:52
Brian Atlas>> These virtues can be instilled in children regardless of your wealth. >> Yeah, it's not the money. It's the parents. Mhm. For sure. If you're Yeah, if you spoil your kids, then yeah, sure, I guess. But That's just not what I want. >> Yeah, you got kids running around
03:28:05
Brian Atlasshooting each other in the hood. It doesn't make a difference. Like >> Yeah, that's a good point. Like it seems like there's maybe a bit more crime in in like neighborhoods where the socioeconomics are not that great.
03:28:17
Brian AtlasMy ideal situation, let me just like put it into perspective a little bit. >> Like are there gangbangers in Montecito? >> Like no, there's [ __ ] gangbangers in Compton though or wherever the [ __ ] there's a bunch of gang. And these are typically like the you look at the
03:28:30
Brian Atlassocioeconomics of the neighborhoods where there's gangbanging, it's not a bunch of affluent, you know, blah blah like it's not an affluent neighborhood. I understand. Ideally, I want to like
03:28:42
Lauralive on a ranch, have some kids. >> you're going to live on a ranch >> yes, in Texas. >> No, not in California. I told you I don't intend on staying there right now. >> Do you know how expensive Do you know
03:28:52
Felicityhow really [ __ ] [laughter] expensive >> You want some horses? Oh my gosh. Yeah, horses. Yes, horses are expensive. >> Wait. Here they are. I think it's so
03:29:04
Leana (Finland)>> They're expensive everywhere. >> Everywhere. Yeah, the best thing you can get to your kids is like race car or horse because they will never have enough time or money to do anything else that is stupid. >> I think You really need to check your
03:29:17
Victoria Bumaprivilege. Check your privilege. Yeah, I I think that's what it is. I I'm not trying to bash you for being wealthy. Again, like I I've been there, I've done that, I've lived many lives, but you I
03:29:29
Victoria Bumathink you seriously need to experience what it is like to be the average man or woman working for $20 an hour. I think you really need to experience that before you go around saying that oh
03:29:41
SPEAKER_07like, you know, all people who are rich are just losers. >> You haven't been low enough to be thankful of getting the millions. >> Okay, anyway, I'm moving on. Just I
03:29:53
Brian Atlasguess final thing on this. You say that you think it's more likely that these kids are going to be dysfunctional if they grow up in a household where the parents are affluent. I think that's completely backwards. I think when you
03:30:05
Brian Atlashave money that provides certain privileges and benefits for children. And look, it's it's certainly possible that yes, maybe the kids could be spoiled. Maybe they have some sort of entitlement. I think that that can be
03:30:17
Brian Atlascombated against by not spoiling them, by teaching them virtue, by teaching them modesty. Yes, you know, uh father does well, but there's there's other things besides wealth that are
03:30:28
Brian Atlasimportant. Cultivate virtue. And a wealthy father can teach their kids that. Also, it confers a ton of benefits. You your wife can stay home
03:30:38
Brian Atlasand take care of the kids. You can send them to the best schools. They can have, uh you know, great doctors. They can have their healthcare needs taken care of. They can have all these things that
03:30:50
Brian Atlasset them up to become the best person. Maybe you get them involved in sports and they can have like a personal trainer. They can have like a private uh it's not a private what what in sports like a private trainer? I don't know
03:31:02
Brian Atlaswhat it would be. Um You can really set up your kids uh in life with money in a way that's not going to make them like these
03:31:12
Brian Atlasspoiled brats basically. And and you can not only that, your own life can be extremely comfortable. So, I don't know. This this defaulting to
03:31:24
Brian Atlasoh, well, if you're wealthy, your kids are going to grow up and be worse off. What? That just doesn't No. I Aside from health privilege
03:31:35
Brian Atlaslike having good health, I think that's the best privilege you can have. Like if if you are born and you have a bunch of health problems and you're born into a wealthy family I mean better than to be have health
03:31:47
Brian Atlasproblems and be born poor, but uh if you are otherwise healthy and you're born into a wealthy family that's the biggest privilege you can have. That's going to set you up the best in
03:31:59
Brian Atlaslife to, you know, have a good trajectory in your own life. It's one It's the number one privilege. But you don't seem to think so. You seem to think it's a negative.
03:32:11
LauraThat's interesting. My point is that I don't want to raise my kids with $50 million. I'm not looking to be uber wealthy or and I'm not trying to date a millionaire. That was I don't
03:32:22
Lauraknow why this whole conversation is so controversial for you guys. I It's not It was not meant to be. It's just not what I'm looking for. I prefer like a more modest life.
03:32:35
Laura>> So, you think that money makes people who they are? No, not necessarily, but it can absolutely corrupt you. I just Can we move on? Yeah, I I I want to move on.
03:32:47
Brian AtlasAgain, we we are acknowledging that you'll date a guy who makes 50k. We we understand that. But if the option presents itself to date a guy who makes 50M Okay. All right. Uh I guess we'll leave
03:33:01
SPEAKER_00it at that. We have a message from Pasty George here. >> [sighs] >> A message from the government of Canada. Pasty George donated $200.04.
03:33:13
SPEAKER_00I'm a millionaire and I'm having a hard time understanding how having so much money can be gross as you just put it. Please enlighten me. I think we just talked about this, but
03:33:25
Lauraif you want to answer you can. Laura? Yeah, I know I heard you. Um I think I think I already touched on it. >> Yeah.
03:33:37
Paige HamiltonWe already talked about that. Um let's go back to I didn't finish the bear question. So, to you. Okay. Um So, um I live in New York and where I live like the black bears are [ __ ]
03:33:49
Paige HamiltonSo, if it was one of those bears, yes. But you don't get to pick. >> Okay. So, it would I want to stay man and I'm working on staying man, but I have to admit just because of some prejudices I have from stuff I've been
03:34:00
Paige Hamiltonthrough, I I would I guess I would say man even though it's hard for me, but man. Why is it hard for you? >> Um I didn't meet my father till he was nine and he was a real prick. So, like
03:34:11
Paige Hamiltonevery like I was dreaming of meeting him and then he was awful for 10 years and I knew I realized that this year for the first time that I don't trust men, but it's not them, it's me not letting them
03:34:22
Felicityin. So. So, you think that like what do you I guess How does that relate to the bear question? >> very intimidated by men men. Okay, that's why. Why? Because you think they're going to hurt you?
03:34:34
Paige Hamilton>> Yeah, because for a long time they that's all they did. But like I said, I'm working on it cuz I realized that oh wait, this is me cuz that was a long time ago. So.
03:34:44
FelicityYeah, I understand, but also like I feel like if we replaced every man that you walked by on the sidewalk with a random bear, black, brown, polar bear >> Yeah, so and like we don't have grizzly
03:34:55
Paige Hamiltonbears. So, I've never even seen how crazy those guys get. So. Yeah. Okay. Next? A man. Oh, really? Next? A man.
03:35:08
FelicityOkay. Well, I guess um you two were the only ones that were like maybe like on the fence, but you did both say man. Yeah.
03:35:19
FelicityOkay. Let me Should I ask the questionnaire questions, Brian?
03:35:28
FelicityNo, I don't have any more. I already asked all my silly questions. Okay. Um Men should pay on first dates. Do you
03:35:41
Felicityagree? I agree. I'm traditional. Okay. And you agree? You Who agrees? Who agrees? Who agrees? Yes. You agree? You agree?
03:35:51
FelicityYou agree? No? Okay, you agree? Mhm. Okay, you agree? I'm just going to keep going down. Um >> [laughter] >> Okay, men should provide and protect. Yes. Yes.
03:36:04
FelicityUh men should be chivalrous. Yes. >> Yes. Everyone agrees? Um I will keep my last name or hyphenate in marriage.
03:36:15
Maria Porcha>> No. Not sure. Why? Why are you not sure? Um I mean it depends who this guy is going to be, like what their last name is. Um if I'd rather keep mine or not.
03:36:28
Felicityinvolved. So >> I like my last name. I don't have a problem with it. Yeah. Well, you you said you think men should pay on first dates. Basically like you you believe that men should be
03:36:39
Felicitymore traditional, right? But I think taking your husband's last name is pretty traditional. >> traditional. Yeah, so it's kind of like hypocritical
03:36:50
Maria Porcha>> to not um take his last name if you're expecting him to be more traditional. Like if you're not willing to be traditional, why should he be traditional? No, I mean I definitely more than likely would, but I like my
03:37:02
Maria Porchalast name cuz I've also built my own, you know, reputation brand around it. So, that's my reason. Okay. But do Do you think you would get offended? Like I feel like most men they would be or not most, but some men would
03:37:15
Felicitybe offended if they were like my wife doesn't want my last name. I guess it's his In Hispanic cultures it's pretty common like they'll keep Oh, that's true. Okay. Yeah. And then you also agreed that you would keep your last name. >> will take
03:37:27
Felicity>> You'll You'll take it. Anyone else want to keep their name? No. Okay, so you were the only one. Uh past should not matter. Mhm. It absolutely should matter. Yep.
03:37:40
Paige HamiltonI think it depends. Like if you have been like you like believe you've been redeemed and you're doing better in life, then it's like yeah, like every saint has a past, every sinner has a future type stuff. But if you're still
03:37:50
Paige Hamiltonactively being detrimental to yourself, then yeah, it definitely matters. And I think if you're with somebody, your partner should know because they should be able to decide, you know. Oh, I think you shouldn't ask questions you don't
03:38:02
Leana (Finland)want answers to because it's going to matter. So, don't ask if you don't want to know it. Like with body counts. >> What do you So, you guys didn't answer. Do you think past should matter? Yeah. No, I did. I answered on the question.
03:38:13
Paige Hamilton>> you, too? Yeah. Yeah. So, you were the only one that said like it depends. Yeah, like if you're still actively harming yourself and harming others around you, then your past is really important because that's like you're
03:38:26
Paige Hamiltonstill actively living it. But if you've trying to be a better person, then like I do still think you should share it with your partner because if it comes out later about all of this and you're already committed or been around for a long time or been married, like it's
03:38:38
Felicityjust going to cause more problems. I agree. I do I think people can change, but I have another question. Would you ever Well, you're married, but let's say in this hypothetical you're not, would
03:38:50
Felicityyou ever date someone that or a man that used to have sex with men?
03:38:57
Paige HamiltonI think it would depend on if he um So, like I am a Christian and if he thought that like, "Okay, I'm born again and I'm no longer this way." And then yes, but if he didn't have like the right motivations, like I well, you're
03:39:11
Paige Hamiltonnot I don't want to say the right motivations, but like I just in that situation I'd be a little bit more trusting that he's not going to go back to men on me, you know? But I think think if I just met him and he was like, "Oh, by the way, like a
03:39:22
Paige Hamiltonmonth ago I dated men." I'd be like, "No." cuz men always pick men if they can, I think. Men always pick men? >> Like it was just something like my friends would say growing up. Yeah, I'm interested. Like what does that mean? Like we would just joke around growing
03:39:35
Paige Hamiltonup like anybody I knew like all my friends who were gay they'd be like they'd say, "I'm bi, but not really. Like if I could pick a man, I'd pick a man." Oh. Yeah. >> I've never heard of that. Interesting. So, I guess your answers
03:39:46
Felicitykind of following like the it depends. Okay. Um women put in more effort when it comes to dating. Do you agree? No, I don't agree. Do you agree? Yep.
03:39:59
Paige HamiltonYou agree? >> I think I said not necessarily. I think it's very even. Mhm. Yeah, what do you guys think? I I don't agree that women put in more effort. I don't think so. I haven't dated in a long time, so I don't
03:40:11
Felicityreally know. But yeah, I don't think so. I think I said yes. And you? I don't really know. So, for those who said yes, why do you think that? It
03:40:21
Leana (Finland)depends, but with the beginning of dating, the woman usually does everything before the date. It's like you're shaving your legs, you're doing your makeup, you're
03:40:32
Leana (Finland)doing your hair, you're picking clothes, and men have the easy road to just get their clothes on. Poor you. Hopefully pick you up and pay.
03:40:44
FelicityYeah, but I think paying requires effort, right? Like they have to work for that money and I don't know how much they make if they work just like a regular job. However, like say you're going on like a
03:40:56
Leana (Finland)$100 date and the guy makes like $20 an hour, he's going to have to work 4 hours or more whatever to pay for that date. >> I don't necessarily need a date like that.
03:41:08
Leana (Finland)You can plan something that just go and walk out in a park or something and I'm still going to give my all to like look perfect. This is just like a personal question of mine, it's not on the questioner.
03:41:19
FelicityWhat do you guys think like when a guy wants to take you somewhere super fancy for the first date? Like really expensive. I used to like if my Do you like it or >> [clears throat] >> Oh, yeah, of course. Who doesn't like to
03:41:31
Paige Hamiltonbe treated that way? But I would always um if I went on a date and the guy like insisted on paying, I always paid the tip at least. >> But like let's say it's a it's a place where it's like Mission $100. Oh, and it's like a first date? I'd be like,
03:41:43
Victoria Buma"No. Can we not? Too much pressure." >> you guys think? I think that they're trying to impress or that's just what they're used to. Like that's the lifestyle they're used to. I'd be like, "Can we go to a diner instead?" >> You really have to hear and see how this
03:41:55
Victoria Bumaperson is cuz I do know that a lot of men will do this to try and get you in their bed quicker. So, I'm not saying that all men who do that No, absolutely not. But I think you have to be very attentive
03:42:07
Victoria Bumaof people who do this who just throw money. Um some people are generous, but also in equal amount can expect something. So, yeah, you always got to be a little bit careful cuz nothing is
03:42:19
Felicitynecessarily free. That happened to me one time. This guy that was just my friend, he was like, "Do you want to go to Nobu?" And I felt really uncomfortable. I was like, "I don't I don't want to go to Nobu." That's [snorts] why I wanted to ask because
03:42:30
FelicityI've heard girls say that they would like that and they want they want to be wined and dined and all that, but I would prefer like a regular place. I don't think you should ever If somebody offers you and you know Oh, wait, were you dating this person? >> No, no. So, he was like a friend and he
03:42:44
Victoria Bumawas like, "Oh, I'm interested in you. Do you want to go to Nobu?" And I was like, "No, I don't want to go to Well, I mean I think if anything if this helps, that means he definitely sees you in a very high light, you know? So, if he's been friends with you for a while and he's
03:42:56
Paige Hamiltonlike, "Let me take you to Nobu." But you still need to be careful, you know? I think it's easier like like I knew I was not going to sleep with any man, you know? Like cuz I was waiting. So, like that made it easier cuz like yeah, you can take me there, but you're not taking me home, you know?
03:43:09
FelicityYeah. Okay, next question. Dating is our statement. Dating is harder for women. Who agrees or disagrees? You think dating is harder for women? No.
03:43:21
Maria PorchaYou look unsure. I mean, from my perspective, yes, but Why? Why do you say yes? Just especially men in LA, they're just very they are different
03:43:32
Maria Porchathan what I'm used to. I'm not even from LA, I'm from St. Louis, like a smaller town. So, they're definitely more so into like open relationships, not monogamy, like
03:43:44
Paige Hamiltonthey're not Polly is just crazy. >> Yeah, there's so many Polly situationships. >> friends that are like, "Oh, we're Polly now." And I'm like, "Yeah, oh great." And then like a year later their
03:43:56
Felicitymarriage falls apart. >> We're breaking up soon. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We're we're cheating on each other. It's fine. It's great. >> Exactly. What do you guys think? Dating is Do you think dating dating is harder for women? I think dating is hard if you
03:44:08
Victoria Bumamake it hard, men or women. Um I think the step that people always skip is making sure that you are what you want from another person and that's why people are running around cuz they don't
03:44:20
Victoria Bumaeven show or they can't even be disciplined towards themselves, yet they expect other people to be disciplined and respectful to towards them. It doesn't You can't have the two. You cannot go out and expect others to
03:44:32
Victoria Bumarespect you if you're not showing that you respect yourself. So, I think the number one trick to dating is really just taking care of yourself first before ever going out and pointing your fingers at other people. It doesn't
03:44:44
Felicitymatter if you're a man or woman, but that's just what I believe. So. Yeah, I don't think it's really harder for anyone. I think it's hard if if you're like dating someone that's like a psycho, >> Yeah. crazy stalker, like yeah, dating's
03:44:56
Felicitygoing to be harder for you, whatever gender you are, but I don't think it's like harder for one specific gender. What do you guys think? >> getting the date might be a little
03:45:05
Felicityeasier for the woman. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. What do you guys think? I agree with that. Yeah. Okay. Um Getting laid is harder for women.
03:45:19
Paige HamiltonDoes anyone agree or disagree [laughter] with that? You could literally be the biggest butterface and hey, you want to do it? The next guy on the street's going to say yes. So. Yeah. Yeah. It's too easy. >> Oh, sorry.
03:45:30
Felicity>> So, who who disagrees? Who disagrees that getting laid is or yeah, getting laid is harder for women. Does anyone disagree? I don't think anyone disagrees.
03:45:41
Maria Porcha[laughter] Um Men are more superficial than women. No. No. Well, you you agreed. But they are more That's on the LA Yeah, LA side. They can be.
03:45:55
Maria Porcha>> think men are more superficial than women? It depends, but So, what do you what why do you think that? Um this is only for California like LA specifically. Um the men, you
03:46:08
Maria Porchaknow, they expect the women to drive, you know, like top of the line cars, like they expect the women to have like all of these things and I don't know, all of this money. So.
03:46:19
Maria PorchaThey do? Yeah. I don't date in LA. Yeah, they definitely like have high expectations or maybe they just already assume like, "Oh, they're dating all these other men, so they should have I don't know." Just like I was just like the minute we got off the plane here,
03:46:32
Paige Hamiltonwe're like, "Oh, this place is different." Like you could just see like the way everybody was like dressed. Even the men, like you said, they were like there was a guy on the tram to go get her luggage like who was like definitely showing off. Like he was just randomly going, "Woohoo!" And I
03:46:44
Victoria Bumawas like, "What are you doing?" Yeah. Yeah, so superficial in LA. Does anyone think um women are more superficial? We're much more materialistic. I think that's a
03:46:56
Victoria Bumafact and it's there's no shame in saying that saying that we are. I truly don't think we should try and um say no, we're not materialistic. No, we don't like nice things cuz I just don't think
03:47:08
Victoria Bumathat's true. Um we are gatherers, so we like to go around and get the stuff and everything like that. Um I think men, you know, just like Brian was explaining, they're very very very simple creatures. Um I think when
03:47:21
Victoria Bumathey're looking for someone to be a wife, they're just looking for someone who can take care of their kids and bear them healthily. So, um I think men are extremely simple in comparison to women.
03:47:31
Victoria BumaThere's no shame at all of having like these standards as a woman, but also to say that we're not superficial or men are more superficial than us, it's just not true. >> on the first date base,
03:47:44
Leana (Finland)men are more superficial because it's like you see a pretty girl, you want to take her out. You see a not so pretty girl, you probably don't want to take her out. But women have
03:47:55
Leana (Finland)like they give more chances to a guy who doesn't look a certain way. But then we have the other things we want and need like being funny and stuff. >> That is true. I think if anything, we can say in different ways.
03:48:07
Felicity>> Yeah. In different ways. But yeah. I agree with that. Men care more about looks than women do. Does anyone agree with that or disagree? >> If it was like 10 years ago, I would
03:48:19
Paige Hamiltondisagree, but not anymore. So you don't think men care more about looks than women? I think they used to, but I think women care more now. Okay, what do you guys think?
03:48:30
Leana (Finland)Might be possible. But the same thing. I think it's the first date basis because women will date men lower than they level, like on the outside.
03:48:43
Victoria BumaThey will give them a chance. I've seen men do that, too. Though. Yeah. I think when you have something, you don't look at for it in others. So if you're like I I mean I've seen very handsome guys be
03:48:54
Victoria Bumawith not, you know, so pretty girls, and I've seen very gorgeous girl be with like not so handsome guys. So I think it's it's a very strange uh what would like a paradox, I would call it. >> That's just something I do. You're not really
03:49:06
Leana (Finland)>> pretty, you're usually not that superficial. Yeah. When you're a When you have to put a lot of work to look that pretty, then you usually want a guy who's also a handsome guy. Does anyone else think men care more about
03:49:19
Felicitylooks than women? No? Okay. A woman should not be rejected because of her weight. You agreed with that? Uh that shouldn't Yeah, I agree. Why? Um I mean
03:49:30
Maria Porcha>> the mic, please. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I'm far back. Um I just don't think that weight shouldn't matter if if the guy likes a woman for being big, then that's what he likes. So
03:49:42
Felicity>> No, it's like if a guy like say a a bigger girl was interested in the guy, and he was like I don't want to date you because you're bigger, do you think that's wrong? Um that's his preference. He's allowed to feel that way. Yeah, you can't force
03:49:55
Paige Hamiltonattraction. >> Yeah. That's It is wrong like on a paper, but you can Like I think, you know, if the girl showed up and she's a little thicker than you thought, maybe you give her a chance, but be honest, be like, "Hey, this isn't going to work out." If
03:50:08
Felicityit isn't, but you know, you never know. She could be really great. So. I mean, if you're not attracted to them, what's the point? It's not going to work out. Um it's wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend
03:50:18
Victoria Bumaif she regularly turns him down for sex. Does anyone agree? I think You know, I know a lot >> Oh, sorry. If it continues. Yeah, I think it's reasonable. I mean, I don't want to make it seem like, "Oh, this is
03:50:30
Victoria Bumaour duty as women. It's the only thing we're good for." No, but men need like they have a lot of testosterone, and they need to be able to, you know, have someone to um have that act with. I do
03:50:42
Victoria Bumanot think it should be something that you feel forced to do, but he at the same time should have every right to say, "Hey, I need to find someone who can meet my needs." You know? But yeah, I think it's absolutely okay for a man
03:50:54
Paige Hamiltonto separate with his girlfriend. >> of women use it as something to What's the word? Like when you want something >> a game. Yeah. Yeah, I and if your sex drives aren't the same, your relationship is just
03:51:06
Sophiadoomed to fail. It just is. Yeah. You guys agree or disagree? What do you think? I I agree with what you said, especially in um a marriage. I think it's a little bit different than
03:51:18
Sophialike a girlfriend. Um but yeah. I literally like do my best to never say no. Yeah, I feel like when you become a wife, it is more of your duty, especially from like a Christian point of view. But a girlfriend, absolutely.
03:51:31
FelicityYeah. Okay. Fran's coming back. Okay. Uh I would not date a man who owned a firearm. Does anyone agree they wouldn't date a man that owns a fire
03:51:43
Felicity>> date a man if he owned a firearm. >> [clears throat and laughter]
03:51:49
Brian Atlas>> It's like a big thing to own a gun in New Mexico, and I I hate it. All right, guys. I stepped away there for a moment, but uh I didn't I was listening to the conversation nevertheless. I did have a few thoughts
03:52:01
Leana (Finland)on a couple things. Couple things I heard. Um Sorry, I'm not good at debating. No, you're fine. You're fine. It was still good to just get through all that. >> We were just agreeing way too much. You have very good secondary questions.
03:52:13
Brian AtlasThanks. Uh so there was a there's a few things that we were going to get into. There was one of her disagreements, but I'll save that for later. There was something about somebody wanting income, the bear thing. But first, I want to come to a few of
03:52:27
Brian Atlasthe questions that Felicity just asked. So it's just the first four. First five, actually. Uh men should pay on first dates. Uh just I know some of you guys circled these. Just go ahead and uh we'll just
03:52:39
Brian Atlasdo hand raises if you agree with the statement. Men should pay on first dates. Raise them high, please. Raise them high. You're the only one? Okay. Uh men should
03:52:49
Brian Atlasprovide and protect. Okay. Men should be chivalrous. Okay. Hus- husband should be willing to die
03:53:02
Brian Atlasprotecting me. Take the bullet. I'm willing. Okay. Um Sabrina, you Did you raise your hand for that?
03:53:14
Brian Atlas>> Yes. Did you? Oh, I didn't see it. I just saw these. Maybe I missed it. But you the husband should be willing to die protecting all of you. Yes. However, those are the first four. Uh
03:53:26
Brian AtlasHold on. Oh, wait. Am I [ __ ] this up? I think you missed it. I think uh I will keep my last name or hyphenate in marriage. Let me see if anybody circled that. Actually, wait. Hold on.
03:53:41
Maria PorchaNone of you want to hyphenate? You All of you will take your husband's last name? Yeah. I said possibly Possibly. keep mine. Why? hyphenated. Um just cuz I like my last name. I like my last name,
03:53:53
Brian Atlasand also um just I don't know. It's just Well, like your culture, you said you guys do that, too, right? >> Yeah, like in Hispanic culture. They usually Oh, do they do that? >> Yeah, they Yeah, I think that might be