35 w/ CRAZY Standards?! REFUSES TO SETTLE?! Obese Girl WILL NOT Date Obese Man?! | Dating Talk #267

Date: 2025-11-03

Duration: 8h 07m

Guests

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Victoria Buma(guest)

SPEAKER_04Felicity(host)

SPEAKER_05Sabrina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Leana (Finland)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Laura(guest)

SPEAKER_11Paige Hamilton(guest)

SPEAKER_12Maria Porcha(guest)

Key Moments

00:05:27

IntroAll 7 guests + Felicity introduce themselves

00:15:36

ControversyVictoria's 'Hitler always peaked my interest' TikTok played and discussed

“Hitler always peaked my interest okay.”

00:21:53

RelationshipFull relationship status round-table

00:32:15

Key MomentVictoria reveals she just started dating Noah (a Marine fan of the show) literally yesterday. He sends $200 super chat.

01:02:00

ControversyBrian confronts Sabrina about expecting fit men while being ~40% body fat herself

01:47:40

ControversyLaura openly admits to being 'slightly misogynistic' toward women

02:41:28

ControversyMaria names Europe, America, Asia as countries (all wrong), then Tokyo, Paris

02:44:05

ControversySabrina cannot name the continent she lives on for several agonizing minutes

05:24:55

Key MomentBrian expects women to do his laundry first visit, sparking show's biggest debate

06:00:01

QuoteVictoria: 'If willing to sleep with a man, should be okay folding his laundry'

06:27:00

Key MomentBrian counsels Paige about being mouthy to husband, quotes Proverbs 21:19

07:51:00

AgreementEvery woman chooses to give up voting over being subject to military draft

Topics Discussed

00:05:27

Guest Introductions

Maria (27, model/psych student from LA), Leana (36, Finnish mechanic born in Jerusalem), Victoria (19, controversial social media), Laura (31, unemployed Calabasas), Paige (32, married mother from NY), Sabrina (35, data analyst), Sophia (18, history student).

00:15:31

Victoria's Hitler Video

Victoria's TikTok about Hitler 'peaking her interest' played. She explains she studies historical figures. Leana (born in Jerusalem, Jewish) says she wasn't offended.

00:21:53

Relationship Status Round

Maria single 2 years. Leana in 7-year relationship. Victoria just started dating Noah yesterday. Laura single 4 years. Paige married 10 years (both virgins). Sabrina never >6 months. Sophia never dated.

00:58:18

Sabrina's High Expectations Debate

Sabrina won't date obese men despite being ~40% body fat herself. Brian challenges the double standard. Extended debate about asymmetry in attraction.

01:16:08

Laura's Anti-Wealth Stance

Laura finds extreme wealth 'gross' and 'disgusting.' Believes money corrupts people. Wants to live on a ranch in Texas.

01:47:40

Laura's Self-Described Misogyny

Laura admits to being 'slightly misogynistic.' Believes men are stronger, smarter, faster. Critiques the Whatever podcast.

02:41:28

Felicity's Trivia - Countries and Continents

Maria names Europe, Asia, Tokyo as countries. Sabrina cannot name the continent she lives on for several painful minutes.

02:50:20

Minimum Income Requirements

Maria: $300K. Leana: average. Victoria: $100-150K. Laura: no minimum. Paige: $85K. Sabrina: $80K. Sophia: $100K.

02:57:00

Man vs Bear Question

All women ultimately say man. Paige hesitates due to trust issues from absent father.

04:08:15

Body Count Reveal

Maria <5. Victoria 1 (one non-consensual). Laura refuses (implied 20+). Sophia 0. Paige 1 (husband only). Sabrina refuses.

04:48:02

Self-Rating Looks

Maria 10, Leana 6, Victoria 6, Laura 6, Paige 5, Sabrina 5, Sophia 3-5. AI age/gender filters shown.

05:24:55

The Laundry Debate

Major debate: should women do a man's laundry first visit? Victoria: 'if willing to sleep with him, should fold his laundry.' Laura eventually concedes after boyfriend/girlfriend.

06:06:01

The Bow Expectation

Brian shows ex bowing video. Most initially refuse but say yes for 'the perfect man.'

06:25:16

Paige's Marriage Advice

Brian reads Paige's notes about being mouthy to husband Skyler. Quotes Proverbs 21:19. Gives Skyler Hamlet quote as rhetorical weapon.

06:55:00

Brian's Anti-Marriage Stance

Brian refuses to marry: divorce risk, alimony, 80% of divorces initiated by women. Would only marry a billionaire woman. Would be stay-at-home dad.

07:46:00

Women and the Draft

All women choose to give up voting rights rather than be subject to military draft.

Transcript

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00:58:46

SabrinaWhat What was an instance in which he has not been consistent with you? Almost everything in his life. It's It's a bit chaotic, and I mean that in a nice way.

00:58:56

Sabrina>> He um he does drink a lot. Not that like >> or just drinks a lot? >> I would say he Sorry. >> Has he been to AA? Has he been to rehab? >> No. No.

00:59:08

SabrinaNo. Okay, but he drinks a lot every day? >> Yes. Every day. How much? I can't say. Every every like the only >> every day? Mhm. Shit-faced, can shit-faced?

00:59:20

Brian Atlas>> Definitely on the weekends, and it's sometimes >> He does have a job, a really good job. What's his job? He's sanitation worker. Okay. For the city. Mhm. That That pays well, I think, right? Or can it can I

00:59:34

Sabrinadon't know. Um >> does really well. Okay. Yeah. So, um why only the sex one time? Was it bad? I think because our the chemistry that

00:59:46

Sabrinawe had, like it was really good as friends. And when we tried to make it more, that's why it was bad, I guess. I don't know if that makes any sense. But it's just >> wasn't it wasn't good.

00:59:58

Sabrina>> Yeah, it wasn't the Wasn't good. best. Well, I think it's because like we we couldn't like work out together. You know, like it's like the >> Do Pilates or what do you mean? No. [laughter] >> Go to the gym?

01:00:11

SabrinaUm he him, no. No. But when you say work out, you don't mean like exercise. >> like the feeling like the feelings that we each other, it's just it just wasn't

01:00:23

Sabrinathere. It's more of a friend thing, but I think we're continuously Well, he's trying to continuously try to figure it out. I know that it it'll never work out, but yeah.

01:00:35

SabrinaSo, you've not what not really had a relationship. Not really. No. I mean, the the last two, I only mentioned them because I feel like what I was looking in for a man

01:00:47

Sabrinathey had. So, those meant more to me than anything else. Um they they had You said you had high standards, right? Not high standards. I

01:00:58

Sabrinahigh expectations, I guess. >> High expectations. Like I Did the previous two men you were dating have those things? Yes. And did you end it with those men? They both broke up with me. >> They broke up with you. Yeah. Okay. Um

01:01:11

Brian AtlasSo weird. Did you hook up with with them? One of them. One of them. >> Yeah, the one I was with for 3 months. >> 3 months. Okay. Um but besides the 5-year friendship

01:01:23

Brian Atlasalcoholic guy or whatever, um or heavy drinker or whatever it is, Don't tell >> longest period of time you've actually been in something? Cuz that

01:01:35

SabrinaYeah. >> You you guys hooked up, but you you weren't dating for 5 years. You said you known him for 5 years. Longest period of time. See, it's really hard to say because I I just feel like if you're in a

01:01:47

Sabrinarelationship with someone, you know, and it lasts, then that's what matters. Like I've been in and out of relationships with people that just didn't matter. So, I don't know. So, I guess like maybe

01:01:59

Brian Atlasa few months, like it's been really terrible for me. But okay, so even of the ones that it didn't matter, what is the longest period of time that you were

01:02:13

Brian Atlasseeing one of them? >> Maybe just a few months. 3 months, 4 months, 5 months? No more than 6 months. It's always been months, yeah. >> Okay. I see. And you're uh 35, you said?

01:02:24

Brian Atlas35. Okay. Yeah. Do you want to have kids? I do. >> to get married? Really bad. Okay. Yeah. Uh let's explore your high expectations. Okay. >> Uh what are your You said they need to have goals and they need to be

01:02:38

Sabrinaconsistent. What else? >> Yeah. Um just responsible. Responsible. What does that mean? Um

01:02:47

Brian AtlasI don't know. Sorry, I'm nervous. >> Okay. Um let's start with this. Looks-wise, do you have any expectations on looks? Not really, just as long as they take care of themselves. Okay. Um height? Any height requirement?

01:03:01

Brian Atlas>> Just taller than me. >> Tall How tall are you? 5'5. Okay, so you'll date a guy who's 5'6. Yes. >> And up. Yeah. >> Okay. Um will you date a guy who's obese? Uh no.

01:03:13

SabrinaUh Okay. Why not? Um I just prefer I feel like I mean, I know obviously I'm a little bit overweight, but um I definitely want my partner to take care of themselves in

01:03:26

Brian Atlasthat way, especially if we're getting a little bit older. When you say take care So, I mean Yeah. Um Fit. >> W- You want the guy to be fit.

01:03:37

Brian AtlasIs that correct? Yes. Uh

01:03:43

SabrinaI mean, I'm not saying like you know, being obese is necessarily a terrible thing, but Um okay.

01:03:54

Brian AtlasBut you wouldn't date a guy who's obese. No, probably not. No. Okay. Um please don't take this the wrong way. Do you Are Like you're you're

01:04:07

Sabrinaprobably obese yourself. >> Yeah, and I know. >> But so why would you not I'm not saying that in an insulting way. Why would you not date >> okay. I mean, I I have gained weight, I

01:04:16

Sabrinaknow that. Um I do take care of myself. You know, I'm active. So, I mean, as long as the person is active, then I'm okay with that. Here, I'm going to pull

01:04:27

Sabrinaup a photo next private chat. Get it pulled up as quick as you can, please. >> he was like healthy, but had a few extra pounds, like would you be okay with that? >> Oh, yeah. I mean, that that's what I'm

01:04:37

Brian Atlassaying. I'm not saying that, you know, as long as he was healthy. Uh make it smaller. >> [laughter] >> So, can you tell us what your cutoff is here? Body what?

01:04:48

Brian Atlas>> What's your cutoff? I mean, the 40% I wouldn't. You wouldn't do 40%. What about 35%? >> Yeah, that that's like a dad bod. 40%

01:04:58

Sabrinayou wouldn't, though. 40% or bigger? No. Why not? What's wrong with the 40%? It just kind of looks unhealthy. I mean, but but that's just a picture.

01:05:08

Brian AtlasIf they looked like that and they were active, then that that's a different scenario. I'm not trying to be rude. >> I know. Is it that you want your your

01:05:21

Sabrinabody type equivalent >> Mhm. is probably the 40%. Probably. I'm not denying that. I know what I look like. So, what what's wrong

01:05:32

Brian Atlaswith expecting something a little bit better from a partner? Why why should I be okay with You want family and kids. I do, of course. The question then becomes you mentioned you have high

01:05:45

Brian Atlasexpectations. We only just started talking about looks, which is important. You It's good you know, people want to be physically attracted to their partner. But

01:05:56

Brian Atlasyou're 35, you want to be married, you want to have kids. Women do have a fertility window. Yes. Um look, you still have time. Um this idea that okay, once someone's 35, she's going to be

01:06:08

Brian Atlasit's impossible. No, women can get pregnant into their 40s. It does over time, though, once you get into your, you know, early mid-30s, it does become a bit more difficult. This isn't to say that I don't you know, you find a guy in the next

01:06:20

Brian Atlasyear or two, you could probably still have two two three kids. Maybe. But >> [sighs] >> I know. Men do care about looks. >> They do. >> Women care about looks. >> Yes.

01:06:34

Leana (Finland)Is it more about the look or you just want somebody who's going to go out and do stuff with you, or are you just scared of losing the person because of the weight? No, see that that's kind of where the conversation with it's not

01:06:45

Sabrinajust because of the looks. Like obviously, if they are a certain weight type, but they take care of themselves, then that's a different scenario. But if they're not taking care of themselves,

01:06:58

Sabrinabut you won't probably give a chance to your guy >> Oh, no, absolutely I would. Like if if they're like, "Hey, you know, like me, like I obviously have a lot to do to

01:07:08

Sabrinakind of get my body back." And if they were in the same category, then yes, absolutely. But if someone is not willing to take that length of bettering

01:07:19

Brian Atlasthemselves, then no. Um okay. What are your uh looks-wise uh can they be bald?

01:07:30

Brian AtlasOr balding? That's fine. Okay, no don't really care about hair. >> No. Um height? You're pretty reasonable on height. Um penis size? Does that matter?

01:07:45

SabrinaUm >> [laughter] >> I suppose so. I mean, they can't really control that, though. >> Right. >> to be good at other things. Like what? Other things. Orals oral sex? Is that what you >> Yeah. >> [laughter]

01:07:57

Sabrina>> What if a guy won't do that? Deal breaker? Yeah, pretty much at this point. Yeah. I I would like to date to do, you know, to go further rather than just kind of [ __ ]

01:08:09

Brian Atlasaround. So, Okay. Um Uh what are some of the other There's height We did Okay, height, hair. You don't care about hair so much. They can be balding.

01:08:19

Brian AtlasUh So, the 30 Pull up the the photo again. So, is 35 the 35% body fat and below?

01:08:29

SabrinaSo, 30% you're good with. Yeah. 35 But 40, nope. Nope. >> Nope. Okay. All right. Um But if they're like going to the gym and try to better themselves, like okay. Okay. Yeah. I think she just

01:08:43

Sabrinawants them to have goals. >> I just want them to have goals. I want someone who's goal-oriented, who wants to better themselves rather than just not doing anything. Okay. What are your other high expectations? We talked about looks, but

01:08:54

Brian Atlaswon't you in terms of job? Uh Do you have a income requirement?

01:09:03

Brian AtlasNot really. I mean, um I don't make that much, so I would hope that they would make the same or a little bit more. Make the same or more. Okay. Um personality-wise, is there anything

01:09:17

Sabrinathere that you like? >> They have to be really funny, and I have >> to be funny. >> Yes. I have a very dark sense of humor, so if they can't be sarcastic, then we just won't communicate.

01:09:30

Brian Atlas>> Get When you say you have a dark sense of humor, what do you mean? Like you were sarcastic? I'm very sarcastic. Are you sarcastic to the guy you're dating?

01:09:39

SabrinaI mean Like will you give him attitude? Possibly. Sometimes it comes out. >> like that? Um No, I mean I'm I'm also a really polite

01:09:51

Brian Atlasgirl. Sure. Yeah, you know, but I'm not going to go and be a [ __ ] to someone. Right. Some people think funny and then it just translates to being like kind of catty or [ __ ] or sarcastic. >> no. Um

01:10:03

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Have Has that ever been an issue in the past with the past guys you've dated? Um You know, the sarcasm or whatever. No. Not an issue. Okay. No. Um the You said a few of the guys have

01:10:15

Brian Atlasbroke up with you. When they break up with you, what do they typ- Do they cite to anything as here's why I broke up with you. Is there anything there? Yeah, this this is going to sound really, really weird and I'm not trying

01:10:27

Sabrinato be cocky, but the last two guys did break up with me for the same reason. Um they basically said that um they couldn't give me the time that I deserved.

01:10:39

Brian AtlasOkay. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Um so the guy has to be really, really funny. Not just So when I think about funny and humor, I I view it in sort of different ways.

01:10:52

Brian AtlasI'll view it like this. So there's sense of humor, which is the ability to detect when somebody else is being funny, but you

01:11:02

Brian Atlasmight yourself not actually have the capacity to make to be funny yourself. Sense of That's I mean, some people use that interchangeably, sense of humor. Um

01:11:14

Brian AtlasI think men appreciate a sense of humor in women. The capacity or ability to sense when they're being funny.

01:11:23

Brian AtlasBut I don't know if men actually value women who are funny. Like women who are make them laugh if they even can.

01:11:33

Laura>> do. Hm? I think they do. Really? Yeah. Yeah, well, I have a lot of guy friends who appreciate my comedy. Oh, guy friends. Oh. Yes. Have any of

01:11:45

Brian Atlasthem demonstrated a romantic interest in you? Yes. Uh >> And and my ex loved that I was really funny. So. Well. I pride myself on that.

01:11:57

Brian Atlas>> this though. Um the traits that you value in yourself, it does not men to some degree even honest men do to some degree pander

01:12:09

Brian Atlasto women. Um and I think this is just a polite thing to do often times. Um you know, if I'm on a date with a girl and she cares about her, I don't know,

01:12:21

Brian Atlasher education and her career. From me internally, I frankly don't give a [ __ ] Your education and your career mean nothing to me in terms of my attraction

01:12:32

Brian Atlasto you. It means nothing. Zero. But it would never occur to me if I'm on a date with a woman to say to actually say that to her. I would I would demonstrate a degree of

01:12:45

Brian Atlasum I mean, I'd be polite. I'd demonstrate a degree of I guess feigned interest. Um and uh You don't want her to make you laugh. You don't think that that's

01:12:57

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, so I guess relating that off of education and career, relating it to humor. Um no, I don't really care about that. I mean, if she

01:13:07

Brian Atlasif she's actually funny, uh sometimes a woman can do a goof or a gaffe and I might laugh at it, I guess. Um sure, I guess I would Sure, that's

01:13:18

Brian Atlascool, I guess. It's like a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of what I care about. I'm not going to be like, "Oh man, I'm on the fence about this girl."

01:13:31

Brian AtlasWhich is already a bad sign for the woman. I'm on the fence about her, but she's funny. I guess I'll [ __ ] her. I guess [snorts] I'll date her. I guess I'll marry her. Men don't care about

01:13:41

Brian Atlasyou being funny. That's you guys. So one thing that women do is you will think women will think about the things they like, the things they find attractive in men.

01:13:52

Brian AtlasI find ambition attractive in men. I find humor attractive in men. I find dominance or masculinity or leadership attractive in men and you want to

01:14:02

Brian Atlasproject that out and map that out onto what you think men want. Men and women don't want the same things. Men and women are not perfectly

01:14:13

Brian Atlassymmetrical in what we find attractive. There's asymmetry in what women find attractive and what men find attractive. Women like humor. Women like

01:14:23

Brian Atlasmasculinity. Women like ambition, success, status. All those things I just listed, if men are being honest, don't give a [ __ ] about any of those things in women.

01:14:35

LauraThey don't care. I I don't value status or ambition, so You don't value ambition? Wha- Are you sure? Not not really.

01:14:46

LauraUh So a guy who works at McDonald's, you're totally fine with that? Obviously, I mean >> Why Why obviously? But okay, explain it. I'm not looking for somebody who works

01:14:58

Lauraat McDonald's, but I'm not I'm not chasing ambitious dudes. My My ex of 3 and 1/2 years, he's well on his way to being a CFO and he's a year younger than me.

01:15:10

LauraAnd that was a huge like thing in our relationship where I didn't value his ambition. Um Uh okay.

01:15:20

Laura>> like how he chased money like it was the the most important thing in the world. And who I am looking for in this world, it has nothing to do with their ambition or their how much their income is. It

01:15:32

Laurahas to do with how much I enjoy being around them, how like chill they are and how how our connection is. >> Do you want to get married? >> Because if I connect with somebody who works at McDonald's and I fall in love with them, so be it.

01:15:46

Brian Atlas>> Do you want to get married and have kids? I do. Where do you live again? In Calabasas. Okay, you Cal- That's a pretty nice area, right? California.

01:15:58

Brian AtlasYes. Do you want to remain in Calabasas in Cal- Southern California? No, I don't intend to. Um Do you want to be a stay-at-home mom? Um

01:16:09

Lauramaybe at some point, like once I've had two, maybe three kids. So you want two to three kids? >> But with one kid, I'm sure I could go back to work. Um but yes, I do want two or three kids.

01:16:21

Laura>> But you Do you want to take some time off of work, perhaps a year, two years, three years to uh raise your kids? Um like I said, if I had one kid, I I could go back to work.

01:16:33

LauraI think that I could um you know, juggle that. But with two to three kids, I don't really want to work, but I also don't >> When you say you If you have two to three kids, When my three children are

01:16:45

Brian Atlasyoung, no, I do not want to work. >> would you not be working then? I don't know. I haven't thought the whole thing through. >> kids will be dependent on you until at

01:16:56

Brian Atlasleast 18. So if you have three kids back-to-back, that's 20 years. Would you like to stay at home for 20 years? Potentially. >> Well, if you want to live in Southern California, you better find an ambitious

01:17:10

Brian AtlasYou better find an ambitious Well, wherever you live, you're going to need like some degree of a man who has some ambition so that he can provide so he can enable you to be to not have

01:17:22

Laurato work. Unless I mean, the economic realities of having children. No, yeah, I understand. I understand. I just Again, there's no like income range that

01:17:34

Paige HamiltonI'm looking for. I think that that's all just ridiculous. Love is more important and it is L- Love. >> all you need. I will say my kids have never been in daycare. I just have a very flexible work schedule where I

01:17:46

Paige Hamiltondon't work that much anymore. And it's beyond amazing. It's so much fun. I always thought my husband would be like a stay-at-home dad. Now, he works, he supports us and we have so

01:17:55

Brian Atlasmuch fun. Uh so I guess to circle things back here. So um you say you don't care about ambition.

01:18:06

Brian AtlasUh I'll go ahead and grant it. Even if it was the case for you, what what I'm talking about here is a general principle. I would say in general, I would say the majority of women So majority would be

01:18:17

Brian Atlas51% or more or women Yeah. do actually have a pretty vested interest in a man's economic or financial attractiveness.

01:18:29

Brian AtlasMaybe it's not the case for you. Maybe you'll date the uh >> McDonald's worker. You The The most recent guy worked at McDonald's. >> my long relationship From what I know. >> met him, he worked at a car wash. Okay.

01:18:40

LauraHe made less money than me. He was making like $12 an hour and I fell in love with him. He slept on a mattress on the floor. Like it was a mat- mattress on the floor. >> At At his home? No, at his apartment where he shared a

01:18:53

Lauraroom with his brother. Okay. >> Fell in love with this guy after being single for my entire life. Okay. Um I was 23 years old. He was 22. Yeah. Okay.

01:19:04

Laura>> Now he is very successful years later, but we we broke up when he was successful. Like making six figures. Now, would you

01:19:14

Brian Atlashave preferred if he had his own apartment in a nice part of town? No. So just to be clear, you if there's two options, living with his

01:19:25

Brian Atlasbrother sharing the same room, so like if you guys want to hook up, he's got to like get his brother out there or whatever. Hey, put a sock on the door. Um you prefer that over him having his own

01:19:37

Lauraown apartment? I just don't like what money does to people, and I've grown up just kind of despising What does Wait, what what does money do to people? >> It changes them. It changes their entire

01:19:48

Lauraattitude. You mean it enables them to provide for their family and Wow, that's a really terrible thing, but I I mean I like I've seen it. I've grown up around people. I've grown up around people who

01:19:59

Laurauh didn't have a lot and then all of a sudden had a lot, you know. And you're you're just you you change. Your your whole um demeanor and mentality and you just

01:20:11

Victoria Bumachange as a person, and I don't like it. So. I don't think money necessarily makes you evil. I think it amplifies absolutely.

01:20:18

Brian Atlas>> you. Yeah. I disagree. I I mean, it You become more entitled and yeah. I It It can happen, but I also I don't think that's a rule. Mhm. Like

01:20:31

LauraYeah. All people who make money become worse. >> all of them. I'm not talking everyone. I mean, I don't say always and every time, but um a lot of the time it that happens

01:20:42

Lauraand it and money takes good people and corrupts them. >> Wait, so by this if this is actually the case >> Making I'm talking about very wealthy people. I'm not talking about people that are just like making a living, like 65K [clears throat] a year or you know,

01:20:55

Brian AtlasI'm not I'm not talking about like general population >> do you disagree? Okay, that's fine for you, but do you disagree in general, in principle, that women do Value ambition,

01:21:06

Brian Atlasabsolutely. And wealth, yeah, cuz they have no idea Okay. So, just for the sake of the rest of this convo I understand each of you are unique individuals, but um

01:21:18

Brian Atlaswhen I'm making a general state Like if I'm making a statement, I'm speaking generalities. Okay. So, it would be helpful for the sake of conversation

01:21:27

Paige Hamiltonif you don't defer to well uh but I uh you know Got it. Got it. Can I say my husband, I'm sorry, babe, what when I met him had no ambition whatsoever, didn't even have a

01:21:39

Paige Hamiltonjob. We were much younger, of course, but it took time, but now he is very ambitious and takes care of us. So, I mean, sometimes you got to, you know, let people grow up or work on themselves, too, a little bit. >> Yeah. Mhm. Uh sure. Here, we're going to let some chats come through. Sorry for

01:21:53

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01:22:16

Brian Atlasbut uh yeah, the the crumb that that I can acknowledge the snapping over some crumbs is a little a little ridiculous, I guess. You should have had a [ __ ] plate. Yeah, that's what he said. Good

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01:22:54

Brian AtlasFelicity If you don't If you do a champagne pop uh Felicity will moonwalk. Do you know how to moonwalk? No. Well, she's about to learn. Uh so, if you do champagne pop, Felicity will do a moonwalk. Is she old enough to know

01:23:07

Brian Atlaswhat a moonwalk is? >> She She's actually a vampire. Okay. She's 107. >> it. She's got the looks for it. She's got Yeah, the radiant >> Really nice skin. Yeah. Yeah, don't eat garlic around her, though, cuz she'll

01:23:19

SPEAKER_00[ __ ] you up and {slash} die. Um Pasty George donated $200. >> you, man. Sorry for the delay. Get yourself a simp black guy. They like big

01:23:31

SPEAKER_00white women with big chubby booties. At this point in your life, what other [snorts] options do you have? Oops. Um Do you want to respond to I mean, I can't really argue with that, but

01:23:45

Brian AtlasNo. >> Have you ever like dated a black guy? >> No. >> Oh. No. Okay. Yeah. Cuz I Yeah. Um thank you, Pasty George, for that. That was Thank you. We have a

01:23:56

Felicitysuper chat here. Papa Penguin, this show mirrors why Felicity This show mirrors why Western society feels adrift. It rewards noise over thought and imitation over intellect.

01:24:08

FelicityWe're unhappy because we gorge on contacts like this instead of substance. Humanity thrived when men and women faced hardship together. Stop feeding the beast. This show Okay. That's so true. Like

01:24:20

Brian Atlaswhen things are hard, you get so much closer. Uh so, he says we're unhappy because Okay, so he's a hater. Uh we're unhappy because we gorge on content like this instead of substance.

01:24:32

Brian AtlasHumanity thrived when men and women faced hardship together. Stop feeding the beast. Um Look, Papa Penguin, I'm I'm open to

01:24:42

Brian Atlastaking this criticism. Have you ever done any like anti-feminist advocacy at all because my position would be I have this podcast

01:24:53

Brian Atlasin terms of the noise that's out there in terms of content. Uh I have, you know, I have a decent audience, decent viewership, but in terms of the scale and scope of my

01:25:05

Brian Atlasinfluence as compared to the feminist propaganda that's out there that's been propagandizing women for generations since the mid to mid to late 1800s, but

01:25:17

Brian Atlasespecially in the past 30, 40, 50, 60 years uh I don't think there's any sort of comparison that can be made. Uh if if we're making some sort of

01:25:24

Brian Atlasaccusation that my whatever podcast with 5,000 live concurrent viewers, which is okay, but it's not really anything

01:25:36

Brian Atlasthat's going to move the needle. Uh I will simply just ask you why if if this is really your primary ambition, why don't you just go and protest

01:25:48

Brian Atlasall the I I don't know how you would do it. You could protest every single feminist class, feminist program that's at every single university in this country. Uh you could That would be much

01:26:00

Brian Atlasmore productive, I think, because actually feminism I think is the primary divider between men and women, not a

01:26:11

Brian Atlasuh terms of our audience mid-tier online audience viewership

01:26:23

Brian AtlasThis is This is a drop in the bucket compared to the Like the whatever podcast is a single drop of water and feminism is an ocean. It is all the oceans in the world

01:26:33

Brian Atlascombined. That's where your focus should be, to be honest, Papa Penguin. If you're in the chat, though, why don't you give me a response and I'll just respond to you.

01:26:44

Brian AtlasUh Papa Penguin, go ahead. Type in the chat. I'm looking at the chat right now. Oh, by the way, somebody He just called us mid-tier. No, no, no. I don't see You guys are not mid-tier. The The view When I say mid-tier, I'm

01:26:57

Brian Atlastalking about our our viewership numbers. The uh You guys are all great. You got Every My audience is all gigachad.

01:27:08

Brian AtlasGigachad, you all have, you know, you guys are all great. I'm saying 5,000 viewers that's not influence. That's not really influence.

01:27:18

Brian AtlasUh Is he in the chat? Uh he wrote he sent in a little super chat. Oh, who takes modern feminists Who takes modern feminists feminist You misspelled that,

01:27:29

Brian Atlasby the way. Uh they're an intellectual joke. What Hold on. Feminism is deeply seated in academia. Every single By the way,

01:27:41

Brian Atlasthe collective endowment of all the universities and colleges in this country is something like $1 trillion. That's massive institutional and systemic influence. Every single

01:27:52

Brian Atlascollege, almost every single college and university in this country has a women's studies, gender studies, feminist studies uh gender I think it's a gender studies program. Every single corp corporation, major

01:28:05

Brian Atlascorporations, steeped in feminist ideology. The news, the media, the government uh journalism, media, it's all feminist. This I Who takes modern

01:28:15

Brian Atlasfeminism seriously? Uh the mainstream. The mainstream does. So I I don't understand. That doesn't even make sense. Um so, I don't know.

01:28:29

Brian AtlasBut uh $1 trillion collective endowment for all these universities. Um It's massively It has its claws, its tentacles wrapped

01:28:41

Brian Atlasin pretty much everything. Um Feminism is absolutely taken seriously. It's the It's the mainstream narrative. Um Even in the conservative movement. Um Anyways, we'll get off of

01:28:54

Brian Atlasthat, though. If you want to send another one, I'll engage you, but um I Are we caught up on all the chats? I think so. Yeah. Uh where were we? We were talking about

01:29:05

Brian Atlashigh expectations and then Lauren there Lo- Lauren? What's her name was it? I don't [laughter] know. Thanks, Lauren. I don't know. What What were your other

01:29:17

Brian Atlashigh expectations you said you had? Oh, funny? You you need a Oh, you need a guy who's who's compatible. very very funny. Very funny.

01:29:29

Brian Atlas>> Would you would you settle for average funny? Yes. But that's not very funny. >> sense of humor. But what if he you know, maybe he makes you chuckle

01:29:40

Brian Atlasjust one time per week. Is that not satisfactory for you? No? Would you? For a woman? Yeah. What if she just was boring?

01:29:49

Brian Atlas>> be [ __ ] mute. I don't give a [ __ ] No. Really? I don't care. Why? >> I don't care. I don't care. >> then? Humor humor is not a priority for men. We don't

01:30:01

Brian Atlas>> mean what's your priority? I'll tell I'll tell you in a sec. What's that? Any kind of engagement, like >> Oh, sure. I think I mean look, I think high IQ women are attractive, but um I don't like I don't I don't need to

01:30:12

Brian Atlashave deep combos. Don't care. Don't need to be mean. Don't care. Um It's just not It's not important. I understand the deep combos thing. That's

01:30:22

Brian Atlasnot important. Yeah, don't care. Life is comedy. You just Yeah, that's what what Netflix is for. I don't I don't understand this this this whether it's men and I think women

01:30:34

Brian Atlasdo this more, but I don't understand this uh Men are not here to be your dancing monkeys. We're not here to be your entertainment. We're not here to be your Netflix, to be

01:30:46

Brian Atlasyour HBO Max, to be your [ __ ] Hulu, to be your Amazon. If you want to your entertainment need to be met, there's a lot of media out

01:30:56

Brian Atlasthere. I don't think it's men's job to be your entertainment. Media's for zombies. Yeah, I mean it's not >> Well, okay, but we're not here to be

01:31:09

Brian Atlasyour dancing monkeys. We're here to be your boyfriends. We're here to be your husbands. I don't this idea that uh not to say that there's something wrong Like if your boyfriend's funny, there's nothing wrong with that. That's good. That's great. Wonderful.

01:31:21

Brian Atlas>> Bringing me joy. It's a quality. But this idea that when you say you have high expectations and the guy has to be very very funny bare minimum, I think I feel like you're making a big

01:31:34

Sabrinaconversation about something kind of small. I just just like personality, you know, like not boring. >> [sighs and gasps]

01:31:45

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Tell me what what Do you think you have a good personality? Like uh So-so. I say, you know, Like are you charismatic? I can be.

01:31:55

Brian AtlasCan be. Yeah. Okay. Um do you do you value charisma? Like it does your boyfriend need to have charisma? I mean, a good personality, I suppose

01:32:08

Brian Atlasso. How about that? Let me ask you that. >> want someone like monotone, you know, >> My dear, you are monotone. You're monotone You're a little mono I'm not trying to be mean to you. You're a little mono You're a little mono

01:32:21

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But it's kind of this thing where it's like you don't you These traits that even you possess, you don't want them in a man. We talked about the

01:32:33

Brian Atlasyou know, you wouldn't take the guy with a 40% body fat. Um

01:32:40

Brian AtlasOkay. Are you willing to settle? I shouldn't I don't even Will you date a guy who's average? Yes. Av- but average personality?

01:32:52

SabrinaAverage humor? Mhm. See, I wasn't saying that that was like a number one quality. He has to be funny. >> But But it's it's Well, I was asking you what your high expectations are. >> My high expectations?

01:33:05

Brian Atlas>> Didn't you say he has to be really funny? Yeah. >> you say he has to be I'd rather not waste like 10 minutes on the convo if you don't actually hold the standard. That I understand. Okay, so

01:33:17

Sabrinayou All right. So you he doesn't have Okay. I see what you >> you said on one hand >> boring, it would never work out. He has to have >> a boring guy though? What's wrong with that? There's I wouldn't be able to have a

01:33:29

Brian Atlasconversation with them. It's just if it's just like straight edge like business all the time, I feel like why would I want >> good guy? He's a good nice guy, but you know, he's not very funny.

01:33:42

Paige HamiltonHe's He's kind of just a normal guy. I feel like they get funny as you get to know them though. Sure. Look, I I I mean Sure, I think that I'm I always give chances. Well, yeah, I mean I think the

01:33:54

Brian Atlasfirst impression some people are flowers. They blossom as you get to know them. But some people are just doesn't matter you known somebody for 2 years, they're kind of dull. Um

01:34:06

Paige Hamilton>> I would say even if like somebody's not stereotypically funny, like my husband like as I've gotten to know him, he's like so everything he does is so funny and so cute, you know? Where at first I'd be like, "Oh my gosh, you're so lame." you

01:34:17

Leana (Finland)know? It's kind of after you've fall in love, the guy doesn't have to meet all the criterias you have because they will fill themself. Yeah. Uh

01:34:29

Leana (Finland)Figuring it out. >> you fell in fall in love is going to be more handsome or I don't know if it goes like that with guys. If you meet a pretty girl, is she going to going to be the most girl gorgeous girl in the world

01:34:40

Brian Atlasif you fall in love? I think so. Um in a way at least. Um So he doesn't have to be very funny. He can just be average funny. Okay. Yes.

01:34:54

SabrinaBut then when you say you have high expectations, Yeah. what are those? I guess just someone who has goals and goals >> ambitions like we talked about before. Okay. Being responsible. When you say

01:35:06

Sabrinagoals, what do you mean? Um well, I have some goals that I want to accomplish, so >> Um well, I'm a data analyst, so I'd like to take my career a little bit further

01:35:18

Paige Hamiltonthan it is now. Um Okay. So I I want someone, you know, with that same goal set. Do you think we've like infantilized men cuz we just

01:35:30

Paige Hamiltonassume they like like we're like high standards all the time and we just assume like men can't be responsible or they can't do this or have goals? Like what do you think? No, I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm you know, it's I guess

01:35:41

Leana (Finland)it's difficult to explain. I feel like you just want to be swept off your feet and just magically fall in love and when you wake out of it, you're not just going to be

01:35:53

Leana (Finland)Go ahead. No, continue. Continue. What's the word? Uh You don't want to be disappointed in the guy you fell in love, but first you need to get the guy and he has to make you feel like a princess or he will have to No.

01:36:06

Sabrina>> sweep your feet. It's not exactly like that. Maybe the disappointment part I would like to not be disappointed and I I kind of feel like through my whole

01:36:16

Sabrinadating part of me is always just kind of been disappointment. But I don't think it's because like my standards were too high. I've dated a lot of men, but But you

01:36:28

Sabrinasaid you have high expectations. Well, I do. I think As compared to 35 now, Yeah. um I like I said, I I don't want to just mess around with these guys anymore. So I

01:36:40

Brian Atlaswould assume that they would have like some future goals. And >> So when you say goals, what Are we talking like minimum yearly income? Um

01:36:50

Sabrinayou wrote here you want the guy to make $80,000. But so are the goals just financial? No, no, not financial. Just being a responsible person. And I think that has to deal with the men that I

01:37:02

Laurahave dated maybe haven't been that responsible. Um so just, you know, >> to a standard. She's like just looking for somebody that wants to better themselves. Yeah, just someone that wants to cuz I want to better myself.

01:37:13

Laura>> you some advice, yeah. Yeah. Be Okay. All the things that you're looking for in somebody else, embody them. Like yeah. If you're if if you are ambitious, you might attract somebody who's also

01:37:26

Lauraambitious. If you're really fit, if you're going to the gym, whatever, you might attract somebody who's really fit. Like all the things that you're looking for in people, they're probably also looking for similar things. I know that Brian likes to disagree that a guy who's

01:37:38

Brian Atlasfunny is not looking for a girl who's funny, but he might be. No, I'm saying in general, there's asymmetry between what men and women find attractive. So

01:37:50

Brian Atlasare there Again, this is talking in generalities. Are there You can point me to a man or some men

01:37:59

Laurawho do find humor attractive in women. Majority of men don't give a [ __ ] I'm not exactly saying that two people need to be the funniest people in the room to be attracted to each other. But having a

01:38:12

Laurasimilar sense of humor, for example, I love South Park. I want my partner to love South Park. We will watch South Park together. So wait wait wait. It's a deal breaker if the guy doesn't like South Park? >> [laughter] >> Well, he can like Family Guy.

01:38:25

Brian AtlasNo, no, but like what you're what you're listing there is like a pretty base base li- like very I'm giving just an example. Okay. You want to >> If the guy didn't like South Park, but he was otherwise great, you're you're not dating him?

01:38:37

Brian Atlas>> Um Maybe not. >> [laughter] >> Oh my god, these girls are not dating great guys because they don't like their stuff. No, I don't think that's why.

01:38:47

Brian AtlasI'm I'm I was joking. >> bro. These Oh my god, he Whatever. He doesn't like this thing. Whatever. >> [gasps and sighs] >> Uh um >> That's not my criteria. Oh, you don't like this show, we can't date. That's

01:38:59

Brian Atlasnot it. But I'm just saying like we might have the same sense of humor, so I fall in love with him. That's what I'm saying. Or you fall in love with him because you have a baseline physical attraction to

01:39:09

Laurahim and he meets like your like primary needs in terms of other things. >> Are Are you disagree with that? >> I don't My primary needs, you have to meet my primary needs? Yeah, like And

01:39:23

Brian Atlasbasic attraction. >> being a well Yeah, how would What would that have to do with the 1920s? In fact, it would be the opposite. Hold on. Pri- When I say primary needs, I'm just talking about like the important stuff

01:39:33

Brian Atlaslike he's a good person, he's virtuous, he treats you well, he's kind, he's And if you prefer If you prefer the traits like he's he's a masculine guy and he's

01:39:44

Brian Atlasa leader and he's these sorts of things, that's way more important than like you guys liking the same music or TV shows. Again, that's that was not my point. It's having a common interest. That's

01:39:56

Lauranot That wasn't my point. It's having like the same a similar sense of humor and like having Yeah, being on the being on the same page about things, being able to like read each other's mind. Like you give them a look and you know what they're

01:40:08

Laurathinking because you you're thinking a similar thing, you know? It's It's that type of relationship. And in the things that you're listing, I know a dozen dudes that that meet that criteria. Good

01:40:20

Lauraguy, you know, treats me nice, like >> Yep. Wait, keep going with that. >> [laughter] >> So, good-looking? Yeah, basic attraction, makes a decent income, like whatever.

01:40:31

Brian Atlas>> listing these things like they're nothing? These are Hold on. I want to understand this I don't know what exactly you women are looking for. >> know. I don't know anything. When you

01:40:40

Brian Atlaspresent to me when women present to me he's he's on paper, right? He's everything. He's good-looking, he treats me well, comes from a good family, he's

01:40:51

Brian Atlaskind, he's generous, he he he has a good job, he treats me I think I already said that he treats me well. What the [ __ ] is missing? The fairy tale romance. >> Pick the [ __ ] guy. You guys are

01:41:04

Brian Atlascrazy. You What do you want? You want him to abuse you? >> want him to treat you like [ __ ] No, I've never been in a toxic relationship. >> You guys want a guy who's kind of got a rough edge to him. You guys want a guy who kind of treats you like a dick. I

01:41:17

Brian Atlasthink there's something there. When women can say on paper he's everything. He's good-looking, he's a good person. Pick the [ __ ] guy then. What is missing? Tell me. >> Compatibility. Compatibility?

01:41:31

Brian Atlas>> Compatibility. >> Imagine if I sat here and said, "She's beautiful. She's amazing. She treats me kindly. She's whatever. Her looks are everything that I want. She's a virgin." Whatever,

01:41:43

Brian Atlasall the all the things that men care about. Yeah, men men prefer men prefer that in women. She's all the great things, you know, but I just didn't feel the vibe, you know? I didn't feel the vibe. That's

01:41:55

Brian Atlasnever gone through my mind. The vibe Trust me, the vibe will be there if everything on paper is there. But there's something about women, y'all want there's something like I don't know

01:42:06

Brian Atlasif it's dysfunction, no offense, where it's like I just didn't feel the click. What What click? You want him to trigger your like anxious attachment style? Is that what it is? You You You want him to kind of be a little, you know, a little

01:42:19

Brian Atlasbit of a dick? Is that it? What is What's missing? Nothing. He's too nice? He's too He's great, he's good-looking, great job, he's so nice, treats me well, but I just didn't feel the I didn't feel

01:42:31

Brian Atlasthe click. You want the jerk, you want the bad boy, you want the guy with a bit of edge. That's dysfunction. Just saying. >> understand. Okay. It And I've never had that. I've never had

01:42:42

Paige Hamiltonlike you know, a responsible man that wants goals that way. And I think that's my problem. Can I say Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. >> I think you don't actually have to have anything in common, kind of like what you're saying, Brian, because like the

01:42:55

Paige Hamiltonlonger you're together, like their hobbies become your hobbies. Like I knew nothing about cars, now I think I know quite a bit. I used to be used to be very fit and sporty, and he's not, you know? Like but yeah, we we just you

01:43:06

Victoria Bumadon't we gave each other the time. Yeah. Like we gave each other a chance and it worked out really great. Yeah, and on that note about a lot of women now wanting that sort of bad boy side to men, I do think that a

01:43:19

Victoria Bumalot of women who have been in and out of toxic relationships, you know, it's not an excuse, everybody needs to take accountability for their actions, they are attracted to those sort of things. So, a lot of women will confuse

01:43:31

Victoria Bumapressure and what they will confuse the anxious attachment for what is good for them. I also think part of why we are having all of this problem with women and men, really everyone kind of having

01:43:43

Victoria Bumaall these, you know, oh, I have to have this, this, this, but one not being that themselves and embodying that themselves, and I just think it's a problem with social media a lot.

01:43:56

Victoria BumaI think we are kind of all up in our heads thinking, oh, like I can get this, I can get this. That The reality of that is so small. It's really small. And

01:44:06

Leana (Finland)also, if they were to exist everything that should have on your paper, >> Sure. very likely they wouldn't. We see so many things that we think we want because it looks perfect and something

01:44:17

Brian Atlasthat we want, even though usually it's not that. Mhm. Sure. Papa Penguin is being a massive cuck, so I'll respond to him in a in just a moment. But first, Pasty gets priority.

01:44:30

SPEAKER_00Pasty George donated $200. I do not agree with Papa Penguin's comment that Whatever podcast is content without substance. I believe this

01:44:40

SPEAKER_00podcast is essential for men, especially nowadays with today's feministic women. Neetards. Yo, Pasty George, I do appreciate that. Yeah, this idea I don't understand like

01:44:52

Brian Atlasin terms of the other media that's available out there, too. Okay, so pretty much everything on Netflix, everything on cable TV. Th- This

01:45:04

Brian AtlasThis idea that the conversations that are being had on this podcast are lacking in substance comparatively to the like 99% of the other media that's

01:45:15

Brian Atlasavailable. Like you look at the consumption By the way, I I like sports. I don't really watch much sports. I maybe watch the Super Bowl, maybe watch some NFL highlights. That's about it. Uh

01:45:27

Brian Atlasand I don't I'm not making a criticism of sports, but like there it's very entertaining, it's fun to watch, it's exciting. That's not like in terms of intellectual depth like

01:45:39

Brian Atlasfootball, there is not That's It's just fun. It's fun entertainment. But like that's mass-consumed media. This idea that media necessarily has to have some

01:45:50

Brian Atlasdepth I I I don't I reject the premise, Penguin. But then I would also reject that the show doesn't have depth. The show has massive depth. We get into like the most pressing issues

01:46:03

Brian AtlasBig Labia Matter of our time. Again, to the most pressing issues. We talk, you know, mostly it's about dating, but we get into politics and this other stuff. Since you're being a little whiny brat though, Papa Penguin, >> [laughter]

01:46:14

Felicity>> Felicity, read these for me. We're seeing a complete generation of young men and women walking away from each other. Birth rates are crashing. You're feeding that hate. That isn't good for anything that resembles

01:46:26

Brian Atlasrational thought. Hold on, dude. You No offense, Penguin, you're Mods, you don't have to ban him, but he's just [ __ ] Penguin. Penguin. You think

01:46:36

Brian Atlasbirth birth rates were straight line and then Whatever podcast comes out in 2022 and then the birth rates were crashing? No [ __ ] [ __ ] birth rates have been crashing I don't

01:46:49

Brian Atlasknow how old you are, probably before you were I don't know. Wait. Before you might have even been born. Birth rates have been on the decline for very, very long time. Trust me, it has

01:46:59

Brian Atlasnothing to If anything, this podcast the sort of narratives I'm propagating have the opposite effect. I'm in favor of the nuclear family.

01:47:10

Brian AtlasI'm in favor of people having kids. I'm a bit I'm a bit anti-marriage, but I don't believe in promiscuity in men or women. I think that you should find somebody, you should have kids with them.

01:47:23

Brian AtlasI have some criticisms of you know, marriage under the state, which it is in the west, it's not really under religion. Marriage is typically a function of the state. But

01:47:34

Brian AtlasI'm in favor of that. Have kids, get married or Excuse me, society says Well, if you want, get married. But or don't get married, actually. Well, whatever. I don't know. I I need to figure out my position on that, but at

01:47:44

Brian Atlasleast find somebody and have that person be your person. And have kids with them. And uh >> [sighs and gasps] >> Brian, I agree with all of that, but in

01:47:55

Laurahis defense, what he's saying is you're you're exposing women like you're you're And And I like this show. I do watch it. It is entertaining. >> defend. But you are exposing women for

01:48:07

Lauralike I've watched so many girls on here that I just sat at home and was like, "Wow, what a dumb you know?" And like what a 304 or whatever.

01:48:17

Brian Atlas>> Sure. Go about it. And I it breeds like almost hatred of women. Well, that's on you. Hold on. Are you [ __ ] misogynist? Holy [ __ ] you're a [ __ ]

01:48:29

Lauramisogynist, dude. I've been anti-feminist for the last decade and I am am slightly misogynistic to other women. They they seem to think that only because I No, no, I'll explain

01:48:41

Laurato you. But hold on. Land the Land the plane. Land the plane. I'll explain to >> Land the plane. Land the plane. I um well, I've I've just grown up with not

01:48:52

Laurathe best females in my life. So, I've like been kind of raised by my father. And I've realized that men in general are I I don't want to say like dominant, but

01:49:03

Laurathey're they're the stronger, smarter, faster, they've invented most inventions in this world. It we're not equal, we're not the same. And I'm not saying that women shouldn't have rights. I'm not I'm not like going, you know, But

01:49:16

LauraBut I am slightly I mean, women think I'm misogynistic. They do. Well, okay, hold on. Holy [ __ ] there's a lot there. God damn, let me take it one thing at a time. >> throw out a bomb. You know, like labeling me, but

01:49:27

Brian Atlas>> radical than I am because I don't I refuse to take on the moniker or label of misogynist. If somebody calls me a misogynist, I wholeheartedly reject the categorization. You embrace the cat Hold

01:49:40

Brian Atlason. You just admitted you're [ __ ] misogynist. You're more radical than I am. I'm not a misogynist. I don't I can sit here and say I categorically do not hate women. I think women are great. There are specific women I might

01:49:51

Brian Atlasdisagree with on, but that's more radical of a position than I take. Furthermore, being anti-feminist doesn't mean you're anti-woman. >> Oh, no, I know. >> So, I don't know where the conflation is there. Hold on. Hold on, let me finish

01:50:02

Brian Atlasmy response. And then and then hold on. This idea that um that I am propagating that that I'm exposing these women who come on the

01:50:12

Brian Atlasshow and are given a a microphone. That's if somebody's I I'm not responsible for the words that come out of somebody else's mouth. I'm a

01:50:21

Brian Atlasman. I'm responsible for what I say. I'm an adult. What whatever I say, I'm responsible for. If a woman comes on the show and uh is happy that Charlie Kirk

01:50:33

Brian Atlaswas on live or says some [ __ ] [ __ ] or I don't know, whatever the stupid [ __ ] that people say on the show. By the way, I've said stupid [ __ ] on the show. Andrew Wilson, who's a frequent guest, he's probably said We've all said

01:50:44

Brian AtlasEverybody says stupid [ __ ] I've been clipped. I've said dumb [ __ ] whatever. I'm not responsible for what other people say on the show. And if other people come on the show, be them men myself, men, women, whatever, and they

01:50:57

Brian Atlassay stupid things and they expose themselves, I'm not exposing them. They're exposing themselves. So, I'm not going to do this thing where he makes them look stupid. No, if you come on the show, there's a microphone here. I'm not forcing the words No, no, no, I know

01:51:10

Brian Atlasthat. But it's a platform for it. That's what I'm saying. Well, then the world is a platform for people to say stupid things. The internet's a platform for the Should we blame the internet then? >> it's not their fault. Again, I'm not I

01:51:22

Brian Atlaswas not blaming you. I was just saying that this podcast does propagate a sort sort of hatred. Well, no, no, no, no, no. I reject I reject the premise. The the plat how

01:51:34

Brian AtlasIn order for that to be the case, I myself would have to uh I would have to distribute commentary and words that would would incentivize or

01:51:48

Brian Atlasuh influence people to hate women. And I I again, very I I'll disavow that very quickly. I don't hate women. Uh

01:51:59

Brian AtlasI don't think you do. >> Women are great. Misogyny is wrong. Uh but yeah, so I don't really understand the criticism. >> I don't think you hate women, but you have talked down to them. You have

01:52:11

Laurabarked at them or or treated them a certain way because they're, you know, talking a little slow or you've called them out on things when they were caught off guard and, you know, in Ho- Let me

01:52:23

Brian Atlasrespond. Hold on, one thing at a time and then you can gish gallop the rest, I guess. Um so, so hold on. Repeat the first part. of your criticism there. >> Of I talked down to women. Was that the

01:52:36

Brian Atlasfirst part? >> You've done it. Okay. I also have talked down to men. Okay. I guess, but uh I I don't understand. So, talking down to

01:52:49

Brian AtlasI don't know if I even want to Yeah, sometimes I'm I'm can disagree with somebody, but disagreeing with women is not misogyny.

01:52:59

Brian AtlasAnd if I do so in a rhetorically flourishing sort of flourishing flourished rhetorical flourish sort of way and um I

01:53:09

Brian Atlashave a tone to it, that wouldn't be misogynistic. Disagreeing with women is not misogyny. >> No, I I understand that, believe me. >> Yeah, but so sure, I'll go ahead and grant

01:53:19

Brian Atlas>> and your demeanor towards some certain women on the show or I I've seen it. I've seen it. Yes. >> I'm not even going to argue. I won't Hold on. I won't even argue with you. I I've absolutely done it. I've absolutely

01:53:32

Brian Atlashad a bad tone with people. I've absolutely probably, you know, had an attitude with somebody, had a tone with somebody. Um my my whole point is that >> But but what does that have to do with misogyny?

01:53:44

Laura>> I'm saying I've been called a misogynist because I am anti-feminist. Because I've been an anti-feminist for the longest time. I have not Mhm.

01:53:56

Laurayou know, been so favored by the female population. Yeah, but I I I don't think that

01:54:03

Brian Atlas>> called me misogynistic. If you have 300 episodes of a 5 6 7 8 9-hour podcast, you're there are bound to be moments, especially with people who have

01:54:16

Brian Atlasideological disagreements with you. >> Yeah, yeah. There are bound to be moments that can be found where people have a harsh tone or say words that are

01:54:25

Brian Atlasrude or aggressive or whatever. This wouldn't point towards you could you could make a compilation that could last

01:54:35

Brian Atlasan hour probably if you wanted to. Uh that wouldn't point towards evidence of misogyny. That would point towards there are specific disagreements with specific people. I'm not going to dispute your

01:54:48

Brian Atlasclaim that I've had bad tones in the past or I've said mean things. Won't even dispute it. But that wouldn't Just because you disagree with a woman, that doesn't point to sexism or misogyny.

01:55:01

LauraOkay. You also >> your Is that your argument though? I'm trying to understand your argument. >> I didn't call you a misogynist. >> But so you just wanted to point out that there have been times where Well, no. Okay. What's your >> I pointed that out because my statement

01:55:13

Laurawas that this show exposes females at their like some of the worst things that they have to say and it makes men think, "Wow, girls are, you

01:55:24

Lauraknow, bad or whatever." And if you're inviting on like not just just average people, whoever. If you're not inviting on like the best and brightest. Like when Candace Owens was on here, that makes women look really really good. She makes women

01:55:38

Brian Atlasseem >> No, she made the You You think I'm mean. Candace Owens eviscerated the girls on that panel. If I bring on a badass woman, she >> [snorts] >> like Rachel Wilson, for example, they'll make the woman look worse than I do.

01:55:51

Brian Atlas>> I know. So, I don't understand what I'm saying is like if there was a population of people who were more like her. >> have a good panel here. >> I'm not saying [laughter] you don't. No. >> You

01:56:03

Brian AtlasThe women here should be protesting. The women here should be protesting what you're saying. You're calling these women stupid. >> I totally get that point, but I see the other way

01:56:13

Leana (Finland)around because when I see a dumb girl opening her mouth here A bunch of them. I the feeling I get is not like I hate

01:56:23

Leana (Finland)women or the there's God damn there's a lot of stupid people, but mostly I get the feeling like, "God damn, I'm a freaking catch compared to that." So, it's more like a

01:56:34

Leana (Finland)I don't see that's spreading hatred because you see a person a girl that is like really dumb, the next time you meet somebody who is not that dumb, you you're kind of grateful for it. But

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