3 RUDE GIRLS KICKED OUT?! Ragequit Keeko Cat Fight?! ØF Girl VlRGlN?! (CAP???) | Dating Talk #149

Date: 2024-04-03

Duration: 5h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlex (DT149-engaged)>

AAurora (in 4k)>

MMaya (DT149-cannabis)>

AAvery Jenner >

AAlex (DT149-massage)>

KKitty (DT149)>

MMason Gregoire >

TTaylor (DT149)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_02Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_03Aurora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alex (engaged)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Avery Jenner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alex (massage) / Kitty(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maya (split label)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Taylor(guest)

SPEAKER_12Kiko(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. Panel includes Aurora and Avery Jenner (returning from DT#156), Taylor (returning with prior beef against Kiko), Mason (returning co-host), Kiko (recurring co-host), and new guests Alex (engaged), Maya (cannabis), Alex (massage/fashion), and Kitty (hair/photographer).

“"all right we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

QuoteAurora reveals she has an ongoing all-day Discord call with her "boyfriend" — she is actively in the call during the podcast right now.

“"I think we're still in a call right now"”

QuoteMason Gregoire reveals he is a virgin, saving himself for marriage. Goes into Air Force Special Reconnaissance; pipeline is 2 years. Not looking for a relationship right now due to deployment timeline.

“"I'm a virgin I'm waiting for marriage"”

ControversyTaylor vs. Kiko confrontation. Taylor confronts Kiko for making YouTube videos about her. Multiple heated exchanges. Taylor: "I watch four podcasts with you talking about me so let's do this." Near-physical altercation avoided. Kiko offers boxing match for $10K. Brian mediates. Eventually resolved with handshake.

“"I watch four podcasts with you talking about me so let's do this"”

ControversyKiko immediately fires back at Taylor upon arrival: "keep the energy you had before remember keep that energy." Tension escalates rapidly from opening moments of Taylor's entry.

“"keep the energy you had before remember keep that energy"”

QuoteKiko reveals she has been approached multiple times by people trying to get her to sabotage the Whatever Podcast, but declined every time.

“"you know how many people have reached out to me trying to get me to sabotage you"”

QuoteKiko apologizes to Taylor, admitting she did the online videos "for show / for laughs." Taylor accepts the apology. They shake hands and reconcile.

“"I was doing most of the stuff for laughs that's why I am sitting up here laughing"”

OtherTaylor accepts Kiko's apology and departs the show early. "I'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot."

“"I'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot thank you"”

OtherBody count round. Maya: lost count; deleted list; estimates 30+; probably under 50. Aurora: 5 (claims to be a virgin in real life despite 100+ e-body count). Avery: 8. Alex (engaged): 5. Kiko: under 10. Mason: 0 (virgin). Kitty: not disclosed. Alex (massage): very unclear / lost count.

“"what's everybody's body count starting with Madison"”

QuoteMaya admits she lost count of her body count, deleted her list, estimates it's around 30 (and says 30 seems reasonable as a guess), though she does not confirm the exact number.

“"I don't know the number though so I don't cuz people are going to be like oh yeah it's 75 100"”

QuoteKitty reveals her ex damaged her car, they reconciled for 3 weeks, then he immediately cheated again and asked her to sign an NDA to get the car money. She refused.

“"he literally told me to delete all our photos say that we never dated and to sign an NDA"”

QuoteKitty reveals she was a professional dominatrix at Pandora's Box NYC. Had a pet/slave she walked on a leash with "Property of Kitty" collar at her New Jersey bartending job. Minimum consultation alone was $700; full sessions in the thousands.

“"I would literally chain him up and walk him around"”

ControversyBrian kicks two (later says three) guests out of the show for repeatedly making disruptive faces at each other while Avery was speaking. "look if you guys want to leave then just get out go ahead." The guests leave immediately. Brian explains they had been doing this for hours.

“"look if you guys want to leave then just get out go ahead you guys can leave go"”

QuoteBrian defends not paying guests: mutual promotional benefit (similar to being invited on Joe Rogan). Notes the kicked-out guests had reached out to the show themselves and then complained about show length. Calls out their sense of entitlement.

“"if Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast would that not be an opportunity"”

OtherAvery thanks Brian for giving her the floor; explains she had many DMs after the last episode wondering why she did not talk much. Notes she got new clients (tooth gems, nails, hair) from the show exposure even when she barely spoke.

“"I actually really do appreciate it I had a lot of people DM me after the last show"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Aurora and Avery Jenner returning from DT#156. Taylor arrives late (about 1.5 hours late per Kiko); tension between Taylor and Kiko is immediate. Mason challenges guests on feminist labels. Aurora reveals she has a Discord boyfriend she is in a call with all day. Mason reveals he is a virgin going into Air Force Special Warfare.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around table for relationship status. Alex: engaged (marrying next month). Kiko: in relationship since January 2023. Aurora: single; has Discord boyfriend; on a call with him during the podcast. Maya: in relationship a couple months. Avery: single since November (~6 months). Alex (massage): single since November; had on-again/off-again ex situation for 3 weeks. Mason: single; virgin, waiting for marriage; going into Air Force. Taylor: single for 2 years; longest relationship 6 years.

Aurora Discord boyfriend discussion

Aurora reveals she has an ongoing Discord call with her "boyfriend" all day. She is actively in the call during the podcast. Prefers online relationships over in-person; finds discord guys attractive for anonymity. Has had multiple Discord boyfriends; sometimes likes them genuinely. Said she is antisocial, isolates at home, plays Fortnite. Brian probes: not on any dating apps; rarely goes out. Mason: would not call online-only arrangement a "boyfriend."

Feminist label round

Mason asks who has ever identified as a feminist. Most say no or qualified yes in the past. Kiko: first wave feminism yes, modern feminism no. Aurora: no. Maya: not really. Avery: no. Alex (engaged): no. Taylor: complicated; had some identification with it. Mason argues modern feminism is net negative; Brian agrees.

Height / short vs. tall guy hypothetical

Viewer TTS asks guests to choose: 6'1" fit rich attractive guy with terrible outlook/attitude, or 5'2" chubby $30K/year 4-inch penis but positive outlook and confidence. Most lean toward the short guy with good attitude or claim they would stay single. Aurora: would pick the "douchebag" depending on how ugly the short one is. Alex (massage): short one with better attitude. Avery: short one with better attitude (gun to head). Alex (engaged): refused to answer (disrespectful to fiance). Discussion of whether engaging with hypotheticals while in a relationship is disrespectful.

Taylor vs Kiko confrontation

Taylor (SPEAKER_11) and Kiko (SPEAKER_12) have extended conflict. Taylor: Kiko made YouTube videos about her; wants to face her directly. Kiko: offered boxing match to Taylor for $10K (Mason relayed the offer). Multiple heated exchanges including personal insults and near-physical altercation. Brian mediates, clarifies the boxing match offer was meant as an organized event, not a street fight. Taylor accuses Kiko of fake niceness in person vs. online aggression. Kiko says DHS/manosphere investigation comments were about regulation, not the show specifically. Resolution: Kiko apologizes (did it "for show/laughs"); Taylor accepts; they shake hands.

Christian / OnlyFans contradiction discussion

Brian pulls up Avery's Instagram and OnlyFans (link in bio). Both Aurora and Avery wear cross necklaces in their photos. Brian asks if they think God approves of their content. Both acknowledge God does not approve but say he "understands." Mason invokes Rich Young Ruler parable. Discussion of how to reconcile Christian faith with sex work.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian reads viewer request to rate looks 1-10 ("Stiffler" question). Avery: 8. Alex (massage) / Kitty merged: 10 then 5 then 6-7 (unreliable due to speaker merge). Maya: 10 (says she would not change anything; would not change lips even when pushed). Alex (engaged): 10. Aurora: 7 (insecurities include forehead, wants breast augmentation). Mason: 8 (not insecurity; objective evaluation). Extended debate on whether self-rating reflects insecurity or honest objective assessment. Discussion of whether most women look better at 28 vs 18.

Will you be more attractive in 10 years?

Brian asks if guests will be more physically attractive in 10 years all else being equal. Aurora: no (will be less attractive; will get BOTOX at 28 for wrinkles). Maya: yes, probably. Mason: explains peak attractiveness argument — women in their early 20s have peak mate-value. Brian: prefers his current self. Avery: better in 10 years. Alex (massage): better in 10 years. Kiko: discussion of Millennial vs. Gen Z aging trends. Extended debate on objective aging vs. styling/presentation.

Plastic surgery / natural body supremacist debate

Brian declares himself a "natural body supremacist." Would prefer flat chest over implants, no-BBL over BBL, small natural lips over filler. Jeff Bezos plastic surgery girlfriend cited as counterexample. Mason: most men prefer natural look; women get plastic surgery partly for female competition. Maya: nothing wrong with surgery if it makes you happy. Aurora: does not have lip filler (contested by Brian). Kiko: would get tummy tuck after children. Debate on whether cosmetic surgery for post-birth body issues is acceptable. Mason and Brian form "natural body supremacist" alliance.

Trans / gender hypothetical

Brian poses hypothetical: trans woman (no bottom surgery) vs. trans man (no bottom surgery) — which would you choose? Brian: would choose trans man (technically still "straight"). Kiko and Mason debate what constitutes heterosexual attraction in the scenario. Leads into Kiko and Taylor trans discussion / Kiko's pronoun stance.

Taylor departure and reconciliation

Brian announces Taylor needs to leave (~3:08:58 into show). Before leaving, attempts Kiko-Taylor reconciliation. Kiko admits she did things "for show / for laughs." Taylor accepts, says she respects the honesty; no beef if there is a genuine apology. They shake hands. Taylor exits. Maddie (production staff) joins the panel.

Only-fans girls and first date payment debate

Brian argues women who do OnlyFans are not deserving of traditional chivalrous treatment (man pays first date). Alex (engaged) and Aurora strongly disagree: work is unrelated to dating treatment. Mason: only traditional women deserve traditional treatment. Extended debate on whether sex work disqualifies someone from receiving gentlemanly behavior. Brian's position: if body count over 30, man should not be expected to pay first date.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts going around the table. Brian to Mason: already said it; 0 (virgin). Avery: 8. Alex (massage): 5 or ambiguous (she says she lost count; then says "around 30" is reasonable guess; then says it may be below 50; very unclear). Alex (engaged): 5. Maya: lost count; deleted her list; 30+ estimate; probably under 50; over 20; "a lot." Kiko: under 10 (confirmed by Mason on show). Aurora: 5 (real life virgin claim earlier; e-body count 100+). Kitty: declined ("not that high for my age"). Brian: did not disclose. Notable: Aurora had claimed to be a virgin in real life earlier in the show; this was contested by other guests.

Kitty car smash and ex drama

Kitty shares ex-boyfriend smashed her car (video shown on screen). They reunited and hooked up for 3 weeks hoping he would pay for the car. He then went to sleep with someone else. He asked Kitty to delete all photos and sign an NDA to get car money; she refused. Ex is currently seeing an escort despite claiming to prefer younger women with low body count.

Dominatrix discussion

Kitty reveals she was a professional dominatrix at Pandora's Box NYC. Had a "slave/pet" she walked on a leash with "Property of Kitty" collar at her NJ bar job. Maya also reveals she was a professional dominatrix. Discussion of client demographics: alpha men, executives, athletes — all types. Hot firefighter client had babysitter kink (OTK). Consultation alone cost $700+ minimum; full sessions thousands. Avery notes dominatrix work paid more than OnlyFans.

Avery's LA dating scene monologue

Avery speaks about LA dating culture: most men she encounters are only interested in sex. Two attempts at dating during 6-month celibacy period resulted in sex-forward interactions. Online dating also same pattern. Many women she knows in LA have stopped going out to parties/underground raves because the environment is too sex-forward. Post-COVID social skills have degraded, especially for Gen Z who were 14 during lockdowns. Kiko adds: "bimbo culture" has led men to assume all women are hypersexualized. Avery says she is not going back out there; content with where she is.

Three guests kicked out

Two unnamed guests who had been making disruptive eye contact / faces at each other for hours are asked to leave by Brian (~342:09). Brian tells them to "kindly go" and their security guard can take them back to LA. Brian says a third guest also left at this point. Context: Avery was trying to share her story about LA dating scene and sex-forward culture. Brian later explains: they had been doing this for 2-3 hours; he had given them passes. All three had reached out to the show themselves to appear.

Closing / end of show

Brian wraps up; closing comments from remaining guests. Recap of why the two girls were kicked out. Discussion of whether guests get paid (they do not; Brian argues mutual promotional benefit). Brian notes Andrew Wilson coming back for future shows. Twitch raid to a WoW Season of Discovery streamer (Stranglethorn Vale Blood Moon event). Final goodnight.

Transcript

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Kikoperson says I hate black people right they'll go on oh cuz they're ghetto or this or they're that and that when I've only ever heard black people say oh I hate white people because of how they treat us it's not they're like I just

Kikohate white people I can't like I'm sure there are people who say that I'm I'm sure there is a black person out there who is like that don't get me wrong but usually it's not coming from an actual

Kikoform of hate it's coming from um what's that word um did they the hate from how they've been treated by that group of people what let me cuz you have to remember us black Americans a lot of our grandparents like they went through

Brian Atlassegregation they went through all of this it's not that long ago so it's still very fresh in people's minds okay so let's say a black person had one incident with a white person

Brian Atlaswhere this white person let's say they physically assaulted them right um but otherwise they didn't really have any personal um you know there were no

Brian Atlasfamilial uh racial encounters with white people that were negative and they had one Soul negative encounter with a white person where this white person

Brian Atlasphysically assaulted them although it's not clear let's say it wasn't because you know it wasn't provable that it was racially motivated it just happened to be this white person physically assaulted them um do you think that

Brian Atlaswould be justified reason for the black person to say I hate white people if they got attacked by one sure yeah

Kikoum no if you put any other race on that but it's they're in their minds they're not thinking they just got randomly attacked by a white person they're thinking they got attacked because they're black and a white person just attacked them because

Brian Atlasthey are black but you you were saying that well you were saying that it would be okay to be racist against White People based off of a black person's experience with white people I'm not

Kikosaying it's okay to be racist but I'm saying I don't think a lot of it's not coming of a place of hate for the race it's coming from a place of hate for what they done to on to them it's like hating your abuser or whatever it is like that's where I'm saying that's why

KikoI think it's a difference okay let me ask so let me ask you a question let's say there's a um but like yeah I'm not saying it's right if black people would go out attacking white people cuz that yes that would be racist that would be a crime action and that's what I was going

Avery Jennerto say is I feel like racism is a lot more of the action rather than the word MH itself if you ask me black people can be racist I would say yes I'm not saying that you can't be racist but I'm saying

Kikonot to white people but with the examples given I am starting to see a little bit but I just I don't I don't know I don't

Brian Atlaslike everything being I don't know I can't put into words anymore all right moves on let's try to get through some of these chats uh that one right there is highly interesting funny how

Brian Atlaswomen hate when men asked to go 50/50 on a date but are perfectly comfortable with 50/50 in a divorce well that's actually a really good [ __ ] point Dam the poet Thomas the poet oh that's funny

Brian Atlasthat's a good point I kind of like that um I need to write that down I don't know if it's a good point but just write that [ __ ] down bro Thomas the poet wow [ __ ] good one I'm copy com repeat

Alex (engaged)next episode copy paste copy Pace thank you man uh can I have you read this one who me yeah um in the past if a woman wanted to literally just survive on this

Alex (engaged)planet she had to be loyal to a man history is not on the side of modern feminism there is zero proof proof

Brian Atlasanything but patriarchy Works Mr AR Mr aconite thank you appreciate your uh message there I have

Kikoone for Kiara here she loves to read all of you have access to a high value man you just don't like him take a look at your DMs even you kitty you know

Kikoyour ex isn't good for you but you hooked up with him again also Kiko shut the [ __ ] up D Jordan is on your ass I must suck that I can speak for free and you have

Kikoto pay to get a comet red huh I know that upsets you meanwhile flying out multiple women oh is is this like your ex or something

Alex (massage) / Kittythis guy oh no this is my friend Jordan since I was like 16 he's a high value man please put air I'm dead um that's my friend Jordan since I was 16 and I guess he's considered a high value man um how

Alex (massage) / Kittywas he considered because he makes a lot of money makes a lot of money um is that where the list ends Nick did you showed the 50s right we so many men think they're high value because they have a high bank account that those a part of

Alex (massage) / Kittyit but it's not the whole we we do agree on some things though some but there's some that we disagree on I love how all these super chats just

Kikokeep proving our point though that men gave us that what no they keep say they said we wouldn't have we wouldn't be able to survive without a man or that

Kikoone says oh you took it away um not that one but it was saying how um men we gave you guys the right to vote we provided that for you guys we did this okay thank

Brian Atlasyou my point maybe they got nagged into it who knows they got Nickelodeon is it racist or sexist for a black man to run around New York punching white women in

Kikothe face AOC STFU and go clean up your city that has nothing to do with racism that is you red pill mosphere not red pill but um okay what are they called

Mason Gregoireincels that's the incel movie what evidence do you have do you have for that I mean an insult movement the fact that they already why why you saying you no the fact that New York City is a trash Heap is because it's Democrat it's

Kikorun by democrats no correlation to what we were talking about a lot of no I'm engaging with the comments not derailing and and

Brian Atlasa lot of toxic man-hating feminists believe whatever ideology you believe in and are in the universities and are in the universities where they actually

Brian Atlashave influence over the world aside from my podcast which really has very minimal impact compared to the [ __ ] destruction that University indoctrination is doing which is you go

Brian Atlasyou know the endowments for these [ __ ] universities is like I don't know if it's in the billions but in the hundreds of millions of dollars and they're all teaching feminism and you think I have [ __ ] influence there's a

Brian Atlas[ __ ] major univers there's hundreds or if not thousands of universities in this country with hundred million endowments pushing feminism and me with my [ __ ] podcast in Santa Barbara

Brian AtlasCalifornia is doing bad [ __ ] I don't know about that Checkmate one causes violence the other doesn't that's all I'm going to say you don't think feminism has [ __ ] destroyed what you

Kikodon't know about that incels causing violence we're in I are we not oh my God bro okay and Warrior came from here I've been wanting to go do a little like tour or something talking about what causes more

Kikodamage oh feminism wanting to CH power to the coochie versus kill all wom I don't know which one is more AG they're both extremes they're both extremes

Kikoright kill all women no no no actually the hashtag is kill all men oh my God yeah let's talk about we we're going back to words having power which is actually able bodied and not able bodied

Kikoto commit like it's the same coin different the Absol first I'm not saying that that's correct I don't think there should be a kill all men hashtag but who has the capacity do women have the capacity to kill all men or do men have

Mason Gregoirethe capacity to kill women which which one seems more plausible or possible to you well realistically men are just going to kill men well thank you cuz you no regardless of our conversation here

Mason Gregoiremen are still going to be the stronger sex physically so regardless more privilege inherently that's a privilege that's just in regards to strength yes I

Mason Gregoirecan give you men have a privilege but strength also requires like you your necessity to protect those who are not as strong so in that case women are

Mason Gregoireprivileged because they get men to protect them take the microcosm of a woman experien some kind of violence so say a woman's walking down the street and gets attacked by a man generally

Mason Gregoirespeaking if there are men in that vicinity they will step in to protect that woman vice versa if this I think generally speaking we've seen times men just stand LA and New

KikoYork men are taught now to not do that because they can get injured in while helping I've literally seen go around saying that's why we don't have wom SE I've seen the opposite as well in gen maybe that's are you from the south you

Kikosaid from all over the place West Coast they're not men are not jumping to help us it is probably because feminism is so prevalent in this area I thought you

Mason Gregoirewere strong independent women you don't need you you don't need to depend on men maybe if feminism wasn't so prevalent in these Western areas they'd be more like the South so men here don't protect us because we're feminists no it's because

Mason Gregoirethey're feminized feminized so yeah I mean men naturally protect those who are weaker and I mean that's a product of patriarchy which is a good thing

Mason Gregoirepatriarchy protects women it's the dismantling of it that hurts every body bring the patriarchy back I guess what would that look like for you guys you don't know you want you

Maya (split label)don't want to know what my authorit you guys always like say that like that patriarchy is what we need so like what would that look like for you guys like a patriarchy like I don't know like I I understand feminism has a

Mason Gregoirereally strong strong hold on society right now and like but like in general like well feminism in essence it is taking leadership away from men and putting it in the hands of women

Mason Gregoireand why is that such a bad thing prod negatively looked upon well because men are natural leaders because of their dominance because of their

Mason Gregoirestrength they're naturally born for the position not saying that women can't have certain masculine attributes but on average men have the capability to do so

Mason Gregoireand if you look in history at female leadership so like say female monarchs they are over like violent they they are more responsible for starting Wars or

Mason Gregoirethey they start wars at a higher rate than male leaders so it's like they have to overcompensate for their femininity like making bad political moves bad leadership moves to O to try to

Mason Gregoireovercompensate for their femininity which is not okay so generally speaking men just make better leaders and better leaders make better societies I think it's because women are very em they more

Mason Gregoiretend to be more emotional and think emotionally and honestly we need people like that so like well yeah everyone has their place you know like men have their job as Leaders women should have their

Mason Gregoirejob as nurturers as like providing the emotional uh spice of life like honestly Life Would Suck Without women would you want to be a woman

Mason Gregoireuh in myself no because I'm a man I have that desire to be a manless of that if God made me a woman yeah cuz there would be benefits to it but would you rather be a woman if you had a choice like from

Mason Gregoirebirth to be a man or a woman what would you choose you to Brian I honestly could I don't care you don't care you don't care interesting noow because both have their merits right now if I was I was if

Brian AtlasI was thinking perfectly pragmatically I would say a woman you want would you want to be a woman Brian I'd want to be a man okay you could still be although I think it's a difficult it's a difficult question to answer and I maybe we should

Brian Atlashave the women answer this question too but I like you would have to have had the experience of yeah like it's hard for me to say cuz like if we were born

Brian Atlaswomen like would we want to be women I don't know it's it's a hard question to answer but I mean yeah what what about you guys would you I would want to be a woman it's way harder to be a man you'd

Brian Atlasprefer to you'd want a big BBC I think Kiko like I will give it I don't to do my hair my makeup I don't to

Brian Atlasget my nails done on Kiko you got I'm giving you a compliment Kiko if you were a dude you would have a huge one you'd have a giant [ __ ] thank you Brian that's like the

Brian Atlasweirdest comp I really appreciate that but it is a compliment right you have I have big dick energy you've got big dick energy yeah she'd have a giant [ __ ] all right cut it there cut it there like a

Kikotripod dude you'd be [ __ ] slain get the chat excited huge it'd be huge now the Tran's questions are going to just be skyrocketing through my DMs I see it now you know you know who else would

Kikohave a big [ __ ] okay hold on never mind no oh that's what she would have a big [ __ ] for some reason I don't know like just a massive one why I don't

Kikoknow cuz you want to reproduce so bad sure genetical CR I don't know did you know why penises shaped like a

Kikomushroom a scoop out I know I saw that that I just saw that and I looked it up and it was actually real I thought there was bullshitting but it's kind of gross to be I don't get it though that doesn't make sense to me it kind of makes it

Avery Jennerdoesn't it doesn't make sense like they're having sex that close together that it's scooping out like yeah I don't understand that and also explain that cuz I don't wa hold what is it scooping

Kikoout it say in ancient time the reason why it Scoops out other men's seen so they you have a better chance getting her pregnant but I'm like after 5 minutes like if it's if you're up there you're up there and like how quickly

Auroralike are we doing this like I don't we go around the table on would you rather be a man or woman a man or a woman um I would definitely rather be a woman because it's like fun and

Maya (split label)easy um I would that's a really great question I definitely love being a woman but I personally think I would rather be a man because the mindset that I have is

Auroraneeded in today's society in men you'd also have [ __ ] I feel like I have a man's mindset huh I feel like I have a man's mindset too but like I don't have

Kikoto be a man you don't have a man's society needs what your not a word out of your mouth has wait uh would you rather be a man or a woman you were a woman a woman you were

Auroraa woman a man for sure you'd rather be a man a man imagine just waking up I really I really enjoy being a woman okay having a dick must be so annoying like

Brian Atlasgoit we should do a pronoun check right now what's your pronoun what are your pronouns I don't use pronouns

Maya (split label)there she her she her that [ __ ] she her she her she

Mason Gregoireher she her she her is the obvious for I don't play that Foolish Game he it doesn't play the I guess it's it when you do that you make it a bigger deal

Kikothan it actually is like it makes it seem like you care more than you show if you didn't care you could just be like well I know I think it's an important issue something yeah that's why I that's why I give that answer I

Brian Atlasthink it's important oh okay no that's it so I have like three or four more things then we're going to wrap up

Brian Atlashere so [ __ ] hungry does body count matter yes for a guy or a girl okay how about let me change it do you object or do you think it's insecure for men to

Auroracare the woman's body count no no um I don't really know I don't think

Mason GregoireI should have a say cuz I'm a virgin you're a [ __ ] liar you're a [ __ ] liar I don't think she I don't believe it if you were truly a virgin you have the most like you have you you

Kikoshould have the strongest opinion like you your opinion should be most valued why but she's not like a virgin cuz it's like virtuis to her I think she's just a cuz her boyfriend are on no I'm just

Alex (engaged)making the point that like like you in the perfect position to say I can understand my oh my God would you be a virgin if you met up with them in real life though

Brian Atlaswait what would you still be a virgin if like you got to meet them in real life um I don't know wait hold on wait what I just got a DM from somebody like saying

Brian Atlasthey know you wait who I have a DM from some guy saying say saying that you're not a virgin wait what's the on do you want to fess up before do you want to

Aurorafess up wait what does fess up mean like no they're bullshitting wait they said I'm not a virgin who is it I don't I don't know if I should say who but no say it I got I got some Intel I'm

Auroragetting a little bit of Intel

Brian Atlashere [ __ ] uh if yo if anybody of any homies of hers are watching and you got some Intel that she's

Auroranot but okay fine whatever you're okay I want to know what it says wait question but like so you've done nothing you've done nothing like oral sex no oral sex oh yeah I have

Brian Atlasoh all right anal no F no loopop wait cuz some girls will like not claim a body if it was like just the tip has there been just the tip

Aurorano what are you looking at me I really believe her I usually so why why like are you are you waiting until marriage no I just don't find any interest in that and I feel like I would want to

Aurorahave sex with somebody I'm comfortable with and I feel like getting close to somebody in real life is really exhausting and I would rather just be chilling at home on Discord having

Kikoeex I really find that way more she found the the loophole to keep a little body count yeah really okay the realle um wait body count uh do you do

Maya (split label)you think it's insecure for men to care about body count no but I also don't think that that's necessarily like something adults like like you like you really you're going to ask your your

Brian Atlasgirl cuz you're going to get disappointed not necessarily wait so you is is your argument ignorance is bliss yeah but I I

Brian AtlasI don't think it's insecure to care I think it's it's valid to care but you'd be dis you you're saying a lot of men would be disappointed by the answer yeah okay I mean I don't think you're wrong

Avery Jenneryeah I agree yeah no I don't think it's insecure no you can scoot into the table a little bit that might help we're kind of stuck here right now oh it's all [ __ ] up okay right that's why we're

Avery Jennerstaggered now um no I don't think it's insecure um no insecure nope well okay going around the

Brian Atlastable what's everybody's body count starting with Madison over here if you know you know I know your body count I think I

Maddie (staff)saw a clip of it is it is it I saw with your dad say it you did mhm should I yeah this is the last time I'm saying it

Brian Atlaswhat why I'm in a relationship well but you said it yeah exactly so many times already the ship has sa exactly exactly so if you know

Brian Atlasyou know well please don't screenshot what that okay because I was they're GNA say oh Brian's doing the Roman

Brian Atlassalute I was doing like a don't keep doing it no I'm doing a gesture I'm doing a freaking like a hat I I don't know man I don't know I'm very I'm expressive with my hands okay I did

Maddie (staff)it with you so we're going down together I only wait you this is you said this is your last time okay

Brian Atlaseight Mason zero yeah I said it last time no but okay come on I plead the fifth wait you but if you you already said it last time just say it

Brian Atlas15 I'm not saying it did you say it last time nope range do you want to do range nope less than 10 more than 10 I don't know I don't

Mayaknow you don't know as in like lost count hold on here you you don't know no I

Brian Atlasdon't okay give us is it more than 10 yeah but I don't know like oh my God wait scoot scoot to the table a little bit if you can like I'm stuck I can't okay just that's fine

Mayathat's fine wait so more than 20 no comment more than 30 no comment but I did lose track like I don't know the exact number so and you're wait you

Background Voicesaid you're 19 right um wait so more than 10 but you don't know correct is it over

Background Voice100 no is it between 50 and 100 crazy work I don't think so you so below 50 I don't

Brian Atlasknow and you want guys to pay for First Dates yes that's a tough self for me boys

Mayatraditional you don't like some gu like everyone has a pass so I don't know I feel like evidence to the

Brian Atlascontrary I feel like I don't know territory is like over 20 you don't keep a list you don't have

Mayaa list um I deleted my list God out of sight out of mind wait so God damn maybe a little too long so hold on how much was how much was it at when you deleted

Brian Atlasit I didn't count I was like I just I was like man I'll don't need this list oh my God wait so you might not know the exact number but if you had to take a

Brian Atlasguess I don't want to do that you got this you got this this is a safe space okay nobody nobody's going to judge you this is like the girls it's like the girls

Mayahang out no comment no comment I'm going to leave it at I'm going to leave it at that I I lost count you're better saying a number than that if I'm being honest yeah I think it'd be safer for you to maybe say a number yeah for real I don't

Mason Gregoireknow the number though so I don't cuz people are going to be like oh yeah it's like 75 100 they can be like multiply it by three and that's the real number can you

Brian Atlaswas the when did you when did you delete the list um like last year last year have you added to the list since no so you've been wait you've been celibate there is no list no like have you slept

Brian Atlaswith more people since you deleted the list yeah yeah yeah can you undelete is there like a thing where you undelete recently

Brian Atlasdeleted for notes is it like 30 days what 30 do you think do you think 30 is like decent what do you

Brian Atlasmean by decent like is had a decent guess it accurate sure you think that's like around where it is probably yeah

Brian Atlasbro bro good times I don't know man if a girl has a forgot her body count 50 body count 30

Brian Atlasbody count she wants me to pay for her first date she's freaky that sh experience what that ship has sales you know what I love though what this is a

Kikogreat example I could have used you podcasts ago when you guys always say one of the main reasons you give we like younger women cuz we like them with less bodies and less experienced well what was my point exactly that don't mean

Kiko[ __ ] if she's a person who's not that promiscuous she's not going to be at 18 versus 28 if a girl's promiscuous she's going to be it since the time she could well your argument sort of fails because what's her body count going to be at 29

Kikoit doesn't matter though like it's it's still her that's still her so why would you want to be with her even if she only collected eight eggs before she met you she was trying to you know rally up as much as she could that's still her personality and the woman she is okay

Kikowhat well that's not a bad thing you're a sexual woman you do only fans I'm not trying to just like rack up my bodies though like if you're 19 with around 30 bodies and you do only fans it's not like you're just doing it to like you're just [ __ ] whoever but you're a

Kikopromiscuous woman yes you are I never said it was 30 and I never said it was racket trying to get you forgot you're 19 and don't know what your body count is well yeah I don't need to keep track like I'm I'm it's not something that's

Kikohard to keep track of like us like you know well I don't know like naming like 30 people or however much it is is like crazy think that's crazy that's the real number I'm hey I'm all for doing what

Kikoyou want to do but I'm going to be the first to tell you that is a little crazy at 19 for a man or woman I'm not just saying as a woman like that's well I never said it was 30 I'm just and Kiko she she's been with men and women okay

Aurorawell you could have had like a way crazier body it's not if I was a man I feel like I genuinely wouldn't care about body count like and I'm being like so honest like I'm trying to like see like put my like myself in like a man's

Aurorashoes and I feel like I wouldn't care you wouldn't care there's men that say they care which really STD test should matter more than the body count okay yeah if you had like some diseases like that would matter or like if you ever

Kikohave like I would be like okay like even as a woman I care like it doesn't he doesn't have to be Virgin Mary but yeah I don't want a man who's slept with all of Santa Barbara like I have a I have a

Brian Atlascomment if your body count over 30 you can't be asking man for first to pay for First Dates I don't know what

Maya (split label)you oh no K you wait let's go around the table get everyone's answer on this body count um I'm not disclosing that range do you want to range no I'm in a relationship I'll tell you I've been in

Brian Atlasyou know four long-term relationships I'll tell you that but um zero but my ebody count is like definitely over like a 100 what the damn that's I think

Brian Atlasthat's still not ideal so you've had like E6 do they pay for do they pay for that or is it just for fun just for fun they

Brian Atlasdon't pay you at all no she's probably been PID people probably would why would you all prer are and these are you've done it with over a hundred dudes you should probably ask them to pay you oh

Maddie (staff)they I should huh I should start charging for damn what the [ __ ] would it's weird cuz she charges for just photos but doesn't charge for the eex

Kikocuz they're getting all that only fans contact one shut the [ __ ] up I'm in a relationship I don't I you've admitted it before isn't it like 14 or something

Kikodefinitely not it's under 10 I'm pretty sure it's under 10 I remember it's under 10 yeah what about you five

Alex (engaged)oh I believe her she's only only down the career path to CU of her fiance had a longm relationship too so remember that for 6 years like I've only been with five people and she does only fans

Kikowith her fiance she does only fans with her fiance and she wouldn't be on only fans if it wasn't for her fiance so who knows the type of woman she was before she met him so I agree and I lit if men

Maya (split label)care about a woman's body count because this is a tweet that you guys didn't bring up that I had tweeted out before but in my opinion the equivalent of a

Maya (split label)woman's body count is the hours of porn watched by a man that is not the equivalent it is because because the the basis that they go off of about women's body count is it

Maya (split label)what's the conversion yeah what's the conversion rate like one hour of porn I don't know what the conversion rate is but let me answer her question based off of psychology so a man cares about a woman's body count because psychologically and hormonally

Maya (split label)potentially it it disrupts your your pair bonding ability right um so that's on like a psychological level well the same thing happens to men when they watch too much

Maya (split label)porn so to the same exact extent I don't know I don't I it's possible because there's men that that struggle with erectile dysfunction um because psychologically they're over stimulated

Maya (split label)with porn and now they can't pair bond with a woman appropriately so I don't know what the exact conversion is but that is it's not a counterargument it's more of a supplementary argument but you

Maya (split label)know because men very hype hype on women and women's body counts so much my argument or rebuttal back is you're valid in that you're valid to care about a woman woman's body count but how many

Maddie (staff)hours of porn have you watched at first I thought you were crazy for saying that but after you explained it that's a valid point it's kind of shocking I don't think women care as much as what men do though I think she's talking

Maddie (staff)about if you care as much or not it's just the psychological basis of the statement like the fact about yeah no I agree I think watching porn is terrible it can like you said a reptile dysfunction and stuff like that but I

Kikohave no problem with a man caring about a body count as long as his isn't through the [ __ ] roof like just be on par I'm not saying it has to be the exact same as mine there's definitely I think men are kind of allowed a little

Kikobit more but yeah don't be caring about what my body count is but then you've slept with all of I Vista like that's that makes sense not going to fly I agree with that do you guys care about

Maya (split label)body count I do a man's body count I don't really it depends like I I don't care what the number is but I also don't

Maya (split label)want a man that is literally like a [ __ ] yeah like ran through yeah yeah like like cuz to me that says all he cares about is getting like [ __ ] all the time and that's very unattractive like I don't want to be in

Kikothe club with multiple other women who've been with my man that's weird as hell that's weird walking by past people when they slept with my guy like that's I like I like like randoms like random

Kikowe know yeah she said yeah I like I said don't go outside like you said he's on the phone with you right now in La yeah we

Auroraknow wait how does that work wait so why don't you meet in person um we probably will I think we will where does he live yeah where wait I'm not trying to dox

Mason Gregoirehim what the [ __ ] doing him we have no idea his name face you say Los Angeles oh yeah which of 10 million people but does he live in America yeah

Auroraokay I hope it works out for you oh my God thanks him um no like this one you haven't seen his face or anything no I have I know what he looks like do you

Aurorareally know what he looks like no I feel like Discord is like kind like weird he probably he it's kind of like I feel like guys like look so fine and shyy mess like not knowing what they look like Discord you don't

Maddie (staff)show your face or something no you don't show your face at this uh I have to read a Super Chat Jordan says we do care about women's body C can you pull it back up bring her back up

KikoI you want to go around the table if you believe in F cells or not what in fem cells in fem cells no I believe inell fat cells [ __ ] I do I believe in fat

Kikocells fat cells are real fat cells are real yeah you're right I think the fem cells are fat cells usually I have no idea what you're talking about fem cells are like the female version of in cells right he

Kikoasked if we believed in it what did you think was a fat cell fat cell I'm not talking about like fat cells that's what I was saying no I'm talking about fat woman online who think that every man

Kikoneeds to date them or their fat phobic that annoying yeah no no one has to be attracted to you not saying you're not beautiful for being a bigger woman but just because a man doesn't want to be with you doesn't mean he's fat phobic it

Brian Atlasmeans maybe he's not attracted to you yeah so that you said that men are pieces of

Aurora[ __ ] yeah why um disavow I don't know you don't know no um they just are like

Auroraall men most men um most men why what's made you think I don't know they just have piece of [ __ ] mindsets for some reason like I don't know what what's a piece of [ __ ] mindset well I don't

Auroraremember why I said that but there was definitely a reason if I talking about your Discord boyfriends or your ex um I don't know cuz I'm like you're talking about your exes then those are not well

Brian AtlasI mean men aren't [ __ ] boys are those are little boys we're talking about yeah you agree with the statement so why forget the context in which it was said just why do you think that I

Auroradon't think all men are pieces of [ __ ] but they're definitely yeah most and like it's definitely easier for a man to be a piece of [ __ ] like this just like naturally it's it's what naturally what they're just naturally pieces of [ __ ]

Brian Atlasmen are naturally they're just I don't know that's a bit of a sex sexist statement right there I don't care you heard it here here FK you heard

Brian Atlasit first here folks do you have a brother yeah is he he's a piece of [ __ ] yes really yes you have did you say you're in touch with your Dad or I forgot your answer thatly is he no he's he's not a piece of [ __ ] I

Brian Atlaslove my Dad how many brothers do you have just one yeah he's a little he's my little brother how old is is he like 12 you're saying hold up so that's why he's a piece of no no your 12-year-old

Brian Atlasbrother is a piece of [ __ ] wow that's pretty brutal to say about your you know what hey I guess I you think he's watching the podcast bro his friends probably are and he's going to

Brian Atlasthey're going to send it to him oh my my brother's friends do that yo shout out what's your name's Aurora your your name your name's Aurora yo Aurora's little

Brian Atlasbro you're [ __ ] Legend dude don't let your your big sis over here [ __ ] bully you he would say the same [ __ ] about me though he' probably say words I want you to show this [ __ ] clip to your [ __ ] homies in junior high

Brian Atlasschool or whatever the [ __ ] you're at I don't know just go do a kick flip or something or whatever it is 12-year-old boys are doing listen don't listen to your sister okay you're a [ __ ] Legend

Brian Atlasyou're not a piece of [ __ ] and um do you live with your F still or not no next time you next time you see her punch her in the ovaries for me just kidding I'm

Kikokidding dress your brother I'm kidding it's a joke don't punch her in the for he makes fun of you for it I going say what's his opinion on it just you know I'm kidding it was a joke I wonder you think his friends are don't punch her

KikoI'm not advocating forence friends think I'm cute he told like subscribing then [ __ ] Jus don't punch do you have to be 18 to sign up

Kikofor you do but they don't check ITX Check Yes wait why why why are men pieces of [ __ ] though why why are men pieces of [ __ ] okay they're not pieces of [ __ ] I don't want to elaborate cuz

AuroraI'm bad at that I'm just a woman I'm just a woman what does that mean you're just a woman I'm just a woman I don't want to elaborate like stop she gets the

Brian Atlaspass isn't that s a such a privilege I'm just a girl it's a good song I mean I like qu Stefani sort of kind of that's what that is I was wondering why do I

Brian Atlashave three cups okay we have to get through her notes and then Kitty's notes so oh notes both of you have had car smash incidences we'll start there so

Brian Atlasstarting with Kitty we about this last time did we well whatever one from last time uh so Kitty over here with the pink

Brian Atlashair Nick could you play the video in the media

Avery Jennerplayer able to go f11 or no one thing I have to say since everyone asked this I did not cheat this was you yeah yeah you can play last time this is what he did to her car

Brian Atlasoh good times he really liked you oh no that looks like uh so your

Alex (massage) / Kittyboyfriend did that your ex my ex and then we did ended up uh rehang out I was hoping he was going to do the right thing and maybe throw me some money towards my car mhm and we were hooking

Alex (massage) / Kittyup again for about a good 3 weeks right and uh yeah he went to [ __ ] on someone like a couple like literally like a couple days after and then I told this chick again and the reason that

Alex (massage) / Kittyhappened is pretty much that's what happened last time like he was living with me and then tried to like smash another girl trying to kind of like get him a place to [Music] live good times so I did not cheat

Alex (massage) / Kittythat's what happen second time with talking to him we're not going to go back again he really he he literally told me to delete all our photos say that we never dated and to sign an NDA for him to get me to uh get the money

Kikofor what he did to my car so we're done with him we're Lo the money's lost right we're not why are you not answering yes I have been trying to girl man you

Brian Atlascan't speak I can't you speak you neither but I I'm glad you're trying to help girl ask her her situation my situation is not that we'll get to that in just a sec though we'll get to that

Brian Atlasin just a sec you said that the girl the other girl he was seeing though I don't know if you mentioned this you said it's an escort yep and his whole thing he always likes to say younger women and low body count

Brian Atlasand all this stuff to the edge of the table wait Brian um me and Avery kind of have to go we're going to wrap up soon so just hang tight okay I was going to say that too yeah me too hang tight guys hang tight we're we're trying to get through this

Alex (massage) / Kittyjust wait just wait um he is seeing an escort yeah he likes to he likes to like throw in my face like our body body you guys have a

Aurorabodyguard yeah is it actually your bodyguard how many followers do you guys you pay him like 20 no I'm kidding we um is he we just

Brian Atlasmade new accounts yeah we made new accounts oh okay uh if you guys I encourage you to just stay for the last 10 15 minutes of the

Brian Atlasshow okay guys we're wasting time here okay I'll try to wrap up soon okay you guys can wait for a bit um wait finish what you're saying

Brian Atlasbecause know oh scoot your mic please please oh okay okay uh there was an NDA wanted to do an NDA yeah okay you also said oh

Brian Atlaswell you kind of mentioned this during the body count discussion body count matter at all just an HIV STD test is what should really matter my body count isn't too high it depends it really depends how high the

Alex (massage) / Kittybody count is I don't think my body count for the age that I am is really that high mhm and also a lot of dudes like what Kiko um touched upon on a lot of guys want to say oh younger women

Brian Atlaslower body count and some younger women have higher body counts than me yeah sure of course I would I would just say though likee in this new age bimbo

Brian Atlasculture so you said body count shouldn't matter it just comes down to STDs that's it but wouldn't you agree that for example like let's remove STDs from this

Brian Atlaslet's let me just give say a girl who has a 100 body count she's totally clean 100 body count totally clean would you agree though that if

Brian Atlasshe's gotten a 100 Body Count versus like let's compare her to a girl who has a body count of zero mhm you don't think that there's going to be

Alex (massage) / Kittyother impacting things there this is why I say it depends I feel like if a woman has a high body count I feel like she should kind of be with a man that also

Brian Atlaskind of has the same range of Body Count okay that's fair all right and then I think we T tell me if we talked about this last time but you said you were in

Alex (massage) / Kittya relationship with a guy who was your slave a long time ago you had a slave relationship I was I wasn't um in a Rel relationship with him he was just my pet yeah I thought remember you saying that

Alex (massage) / Kittybefore I didn't I didn't date him cuz I used to be a professional dominatrix like to be kicked in the groin yeah huh I wish I still had the videos I know

Brian Atlashe would have proved me airing it what yikes no he got off on it you said he was yeah some guys are into pain he was the dog and you'd walk him on a leash yeah

Alex (massage) / Kittyhe had a dog my old job that I used to bartend at in New Jersey I would literally chain him up and walk him around yeah my work that is so weird and then the dog caller said what on it um

Alex (massage) / Kittyproperty of kitties if L returned wait do you enjoy like did you enjoy doing that to him yes why um one he enjoyed it you didn't like cringed out or anything

Alex (massage) / Kittyno because honestly it felt empowering cuz some men like to be little women did he pay you yeah yeah she wasn't doing it for free professional Dom you get paid and a pretty good like I used to work I

Maya (split label)used to work in New York City um Pandora's Box it's like a professional dungeon like there's no sex involved so it's legal there you said that would you would you say that there's like a good

Maya (split label)percentage of men that are into dominatrix them being very like Alpha in their normal life or like a business like person or are they more like scrawny little like no it it varies

Alex (massage) / Kittythere's some dudes that you wouldn't expect being into it right so it's very all over the place like attractive dudes too I'm going to be honest I had a

Alex (massage) / Kittyreally hot firefighter that was in O odk which that's where you like pull down their pants and slap their butt and tell them they've been like a bad boy he had like the babysitter Kink what and he was

Avery Jennerhot he was F pay you this is what does to men's Minds I got paid and like more than only fans girls absolutely yeah because like

Avery Jennerthe usually and I don't know if this is still the case but in New York too usually just to meet with the dominatrix like to discuss the

Avery Jennertransaction or the boundaries or what they're into the lowest you pay is700 and that's just for the meat alone just a consultation just the consultation and

Avery Jennerdepending on the Kink or the fetish or what they're getting it is up in the thousands thousands thousands it's very nich only anyone can there's even a kidnapping fetish

Kikowhich is a good 5,000 was her name Bella that one b no I think it was the other one that maybe it was her one of those really big only fan like gamer dress up girls was it her like the one that sold

Kikothe bath water yes but she I done but she did a um she did a like really crazy like kidnapping Kink video and everyone was like super mad about it yeah she got like tied up and put into a trunk or

Kikosomething people were not [ __ ] with it I think she a troll what is that CNC heck cons consent consentual nonent but yeah I think people were mad though cuz she just posted it on Twitter like she

Kikojust like oh what Twitter has turned into I mean is is you can't even read comments on a Twitter post without it all being girls promoting their only

Avery Jennerfans yeah and like straight up porn videos I do not like Twitter but Elon was supposed to save us right that's a whole different conversation though oh wait wasn't I

Maddie (staff)supposed to pull up a message from Jordan M can you read this one what he say we do care about women's body counts stop comparing bleep that is not a fair comparison how about your only fans and the attention you're

Maya (split label)getting I don't have to pay two sex I can find your off link oh he meant I think he's talking about what I said about porn porn um Brian you were in the bathroom but basically what I said what

Maya (split label)was the take so basically I said you know men care about women's body counts a lot rightfully so which a woman then as a rebuttal I care about how many hours of porn have you watched because I

Maya (split label)think it has the same psychological effects that having a high body count for women that watching porn which by the way I don't do only fans so go ahead and try to find whatever leak you're talking about but um well what what

Maya (split label)would be the number that was what we were talking about I don't know what the conversion rate would actually be but there's no denying that porn has psychological effects on men that correlate and are very similar to the psychological

Brian Atlaseffects of women having high body counts I mean I don't deny that watching porn will have some degree of impact on men but you you just can't make this sort of

Brian Atlascomparison that it's it's on the same level as promiscuity who has who has more crazy Kinks men or women I heard

Brian Atlaspregnant there's this there's this have that too there's this book yeah true a breeding King wait it's called My Secret Garden My Secret Garden I think is the

Brian Atlasname of the book it came out in uh women's sexual fantasies is a 1973 book compiled by Nancy Friday and uh who collected women's fantasies through

Maya (split label)letters and tapes and personal interviews and uh bro you got y'all got some weird [ __ ] [ __ ] I mean that's fine so do

Maya (split label)men I mean who who who commits the more more sexual crimes well hold on okay that's no because like if we're talking about the consequences right the psychological consequences think you

Maya (split label)think it's because of porn use that I mean I think it does have an effect for some people you think men are more likely to saay women because of porn use couldn't you make it escalates psychologically it

Maya (split label)escalates them to a point to where yeah eventually either either they do crimes or they get into really crazy absolutely absolutely porn por watching porn could even lead to

Brian Atlaserectile dysfunction and that's on not hold on let's let's stay on your your one thing here so you said that men who watch porn are more likely to essay women couldn't you make the opposite

Brian Atlasargument that men who are deprived of sexual release are more likely to essay women yeah I I agree with both statements but I I do I do think that there's more inherent harm in watching

Brian Atlasporn and going that route I think it's a bit of a leap though to say men who watch porn are more likely to essay women I I think there's there actually

Mason Gregoireare statistics that show that the higher porn consumption leads to more essays yeah now I how do you prove that though think about how porn is though because

Kikowe're not talking about grabbing wom off the street but like in a situation where it's like say you two are drinking and it's like some men don't understand that's not what women want because oh and porn she loves that or that's I think the psychological um thinking

Mason Gregoirebehind it is that it's a reach go ahead go ahead so when uh someone's watching porn like it gets more and more extreme to get the same amount of reaction so

Mason Gregoireonce porn cuz there and this is kind of an argument I would pose against your uh point of view not saying porn's good but once you get to a certain point uh

Mason Gregoirethings through a screen no longer have the same effect so they're they want to do stuff in real life the only way they can do that is generally forcefully so um there are statistics

Mason Gregoirethat kind of bear that out but then to argue against your point yes I think porn is terrible for marriage especially if you're looking for a husband don't find somebody who watches a lot of porn

Mason Gregoirethat's it's extremely bad um but I definitely would say that the physical relationship like physically engaging in

Mason Gregoirethe acts of sex is like with multiple people is way way on magnitudes worse isn't it a product of psychology though right like psychology and biology like

Maya (split label)well yeah what makes it worse like what happens when a woman has a high body count to now not being a wife or wife material like what is it that happens like isn't it a psychological thing like

Mason Gregoireher pair bonding ability more likely to lead to divorce less likely to be able to raise you know children so just emotionally it's harder for women to emotionally detach from men when they

Mason Gregoirehave sex with them it's it's easier for men to detach emotionally when they have sex with a woman not saying that like I I'm promoting men to go have sex with a bunch of women but they are psychologically different and

Mason Gregoirephysiologically different yeah so that's why my my comparison isn't on a man's body count on hours watched of porn but it's not even it's not even close to the same magnitude I'm not saying that

Mason Gregoireobviously porn's bad porn bad but it's not porn bad just like uh women high body count bad and also I think if we one perhaps angle we can look at this if

Brian Atlaswe look at the extremes of both and the impact on the partner so okay let's say the guy is like watching 5 hours of porn a day extreme porn addiction right that terrible for you bad but okay maybe he

Brian Atlashas difficulty getting it up and he's got weird Kinks or whatever who knows whatever it may be the extreme the extreme of a woman who's got let's say a body count of a 100 well okay let no

Brian Atlaslet's just use the extreme negative symptoms of ramifications [ __ ] it could be an STD she's got a [ __ ] crazy X or some [ __ ] like I mean I would I would I would I would argue that a man

Maya (split label)with a porn addiction in a committed relationship also possibly might go cheat and and go to explore his fantasies and the fantasies that he develops watching having an intense porn

Brian Atlasaddiction is going to lead to him possibly committing infidelity and that potentially could risk your health for STDs but you can make like the the extremes I would argue it's far worse to

Maya (split label)be promiscuous than to be a porn user yeah and the psychological do do you do you agree with that if we can say that yes I I personally think they're they're they have equal consequences it also depends

Maya (split label)what kind of porn maybe that you're watching yeah but if he's watching 5 hours of Hardcore like crazy that's the thing is the more you watch the more likely you're going to be going into crazy there's some men who have to watch

Brian Atlasporn jack off before they can have sex with their wife like ask so let's say if we can we can agree that porn is bad and promiscuity is bad okay so let's say let's

Brian Atlascompare let's compare an average amount of porn usage and an average amount of female promiscuity which is worse they're probably the same you

Mason Gregoirethink it's the same I do yeah really I would think that okay so someone who uh so a woman who is promiscuous versus a man who consumes porn the long lasting

Mason Gregoireeffects of being promiscuous far Outlast the longl lasting effects of being porn addicted say the man gets off porn immediately and he's no longer he he

Mason Gregoiredoesn't even have the ability to consume it like after a certain amount of time say it's probably probably about a year like those negative effects go away after a year those negative effects don't go away for a woman I completely

Kikodisagree with that I think if anything people get over their promiscuity times like a lot of once people have that couple years phase in their lives and then realize what they were doing versus the effects of watching that porn that

Mason Gregoiremuch and developing those Kinks I don't if you develop those Kinks and stuff I don't see going back yeah on you're there I don't know I don't know the statistics on that I would be interested to know the statistics on like if

Mason Gregoiresomeone quits porn how quickly it takes them to get back to Baseline but we do we do have St we do have statistics on quitting promiscuity what so people who have five

Mason Gregoireor more sexual partners in their lifetime have a 20% like hood of a successful marriage we do have that them quitting quitting promiscuity like doesn't affect their success in marriage

Kikocuz maybe they're not quitting from I we don't know those statistics maybe the reason why that's failing is because they're going on and still cheating or doing things of the they can't stop themselves which is porn Watchers I haven't met someone who's addicted to

Brian Atlasporn who's able to stop themselves cuz it's so much easier accessible than I do have to move things on to the last thing here so I can try to wrap wrap up the show just some of your pre-show notes

Brian Atlashere we could have perhaps I I'm having to skip over some of yours and some of yours I mean we did start the show late because you guys were late so um and we could have gotten into this sooner but

Avery Jenneruh you said men really got disgusting over covid for real for real yeah I think that's what I said last time cuz even um even now in the 6 months that I've been single and

Avery Jennercelibate I've tried dating twice you sell it I have for six months not the whole 6 months but recently after those two bad dating experiences and I'm about to explain why because so you haven't

Avery Jennerbeen celibate for 6 months for you tried to be celibate for 6 months yeah and I tried dating twice

Avery Jennerno I tried dating twice during these six months two different people and both times it was very much

Avery Jennerso like sex forward or sex driven or sex aggravated I would even say what does that mean like their only intentions were to have

Avery Jennersex yeah and that was not my intentions going in and I've been cibit since that experience probably like

Kikofour wait so months you were surprised that men wanted to have sex with you not no um it just seems like they weren't interested in dating her they were just interested in getting dating her to get

Avery Jennerinto her pants yeah not with the actual point of being with her but just to be with her and even with the guys I've tried talking to because I stopped going out

Avery Jenneron physical dates after those two experiences um have just honestly been

Avery Jennerthe same it's been very like sex forward sex driven very much so like like I say aggravated sexually because it is very

Avery Jennerlike I don't know it feels Primal and maybe that comes from past trauma as well so I like feel that way a lot of times when it's very sex forward instead

Avery Jennerof relationship forward um but yeah that's been my experience especially after Co and from other women that I know as well who say they do like to go out and party or they like to hang out with friends a lot of

Avery Jennerwomen and this is coming from La specifically just cuz that's where I'm living won't even go out anymore and the parties or underground Raves or wherever you go a a lot of the time the rule is

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