3 RUDE GIRLS KICKED OUT?! Ragequit Keeko Cat Fight?! ØF Girl VlRGlN?! (CAP???) | Dating Talk #149

Date: 2024-04-03

Duration: 5h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlex (DT149-engaged)>

AAurora (in 4k)>

MMaya (DT149-cannabis)>

AAvery Jenner >

AAlex (DT149-massage)>

KKitty (DT149)>

MMason Gregoire >

TTaylor (DT149)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_02Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_03Aurora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alex (engaged)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Avery Jenner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alex (massage) / Kitty(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maya (split label)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Taylor(guest)

SPEAKER_12Kiko(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. Panel includes Aurora and Avery Jenner (returning from DT#156), Taylor (returning with prior beef against Kiko), Mason (returning co-host), Kiko (recurring co-host), and new guests Alex (engaged), Maya (cannabis), Alex (massage/fashion), and Kitty (hair/photographer).

“"all right we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

QuoteAurora reveals she has an ongoing all-day Discord call with her "boyfriend" — she is actively in the call during the podcast right now.

“"I think we're still in a call right now"”

QuoteMason Gregoire reveals he is a virgin, saving himself for marriage. Goes into Air Force Special Reconnaissance; pipeline is 2 years. Not looking for a relationship right now due to deployment timeline.

“"I'm a virgin I'm waiting for marriage"”

ControversyTaylor vs. Kiko confrontation. Taylor confronts Kiko for making YouTube videos about her. Multiple heated exchanges. Taylor: "I watch four podcasts with you talking about me so let's do this." Near-physical altercation avoided. Kiko offers boxing match for $10K. Brian mediates. Eventually resolved with handshake.

“"I watch four podcasts with you talking about me so let's do this"”

ControversyKiko immediately fires back at Taylor upon arrival: "keep the energy you had before remember keep that energy." Tension escalates rapidly from opening moments of Taylor's entry.

“"keep the energy you had before remember keep that energy"”

QuoteKiko reveals she has been approached multiple times by people trying to get her to sabotage the Whatever Podcast, but declined every time.

“"you know how many people have reached out to me trying to get me to sabotage you"”

QuoteKiko apologizes to Taylor, admitting she did the online videos "for show / for laughs." Taylor accepts the apology. They shake hands and reconcile.

“"I was doing most of the stuff for laughs that's why I am sitting up here laughing"”

OtherTaylor accepts Kiko's apology and departs the show early. "I'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot."

“"I'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot thank you"”

OtherBody count round. Maya: lost count; deleted list; estimates 30+; probably under 50. Aurora: 5 (claims to be a virgin in real life despite 100+ e-body count). Avery: 8. Alex (engaged): 5. Kiko: under 10. Mason: 0 (virgin). Kitty: not disclosed. Alex (massage): very unclear / lost count.

“"what's everybody's body count starting with Madison"”

QuoteMaya admits she lost count of her body count, deleted her list, estimates it's around 30 (and says 30 seems reasonable as a guess), though she does not confirm the exact number.

“"I don't know the number though so I don't cuz people are going to be like oh yeah it's 75 100"”

QuoteKitty reveals her ex damaged her car, they reconciled for 3 weeks, then he immediately cheated again and asked her to sign an NDA to get the car money. She refused.

“"he literally told me to delete all our photos say that we never dated and to sign an NDA"”

QuoteKitty reveals she was a professional dominatrix at Pandora's Box NYC. Had a pet/slave she walked on a leash with "Property of Kitty" collar at her New Jersey bartending job. Minimum consultation alone was $700; full sessions in the thousands.

“"I would literally chain him up and walk him around"”

ControversyBrian kicks two (later says three) guests out of the show for repeatedly making disruptive faces at each other while Avery was speaking. "look if you guys want to leave then just get out go ahead." The guests leave immediately. Brian explains they had been doing this for hours.

“"look if you guys want to leave then just get out go ahead you guys can leave go"”

QuoteBrian defends not paying guests: mutual promotional benefit (similar to being invited on Joe Rogan). Notes the kicked-out guests had reached out to the show themselves and then complained about show length. Calls out their sense of entitlement.

“"if Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast would that not be an opportunity"”

OtherAvery thanks Brian for giving her the floor; explains she had many DMs after the last episode wondering why she did not talk much. Notes she got new clients (tooth gems, nails, hair) from the show exposure even when she barely spoke.

“"I actually really do appreciate it I had a lot of people DM me after the last show"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Aurora and Avery Jenner returning from DT#156. Taylor arrives late (about 1.5 hours late per Kiko); tension between Taylor and Kiko is immediate. Mason challenges guests on feminist labels. Aurora reveals she has a Discord boyfriend she is in a call with all day. Mason reveals he is a virgin going into Air Force Special Warfare.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around table for relationship status. Alex: engaged (marrying next month). Kiko: in relationship since January 2023. Aurora: single; has Discord boyfriend; on a call with him during the podcast. Maya: in relationship a couple months. Avery: single since November (~6 months). Alex (massage): single since November; had on-again/off-again ex situation for 3 weeks. Mason: single; virgin, waiting for marriage; going into Air Force. Taylor: single for 2 years; longest relationship 6 years.

Aurora Discord boyfriend discussion

Aurora reveals she has an ongoing Discord call with her "boyfriend" all day. She is actively in the call during the podcast. Prefers online relationships over in-person; finds discord guys attractive for anonymity. Has had multiple Discord boyfriends; sometimes likes them genuinely. Said she is antisocial, isolates at home, plays Fortnite. Brian probes: not on any dating apps; rarely goes out. Mason: would not call online-only arrangement a "boyfriend."

Feminist label round

Mason asks who has ever identified as a feminist. Most say no or qualified yes in the past. Kiko: first wave feminism yes, modern feminism no. Aurora: no. Maya: not really. Avery: no. Alex (engaged): no. Taylor: complicated; had some identification with it. Mason argues modern feminism is net negative; Brian agrees.

Height / short vs. tall guy hypothetical

Viewer TTS asks guests to choose: 6'1" fit rich attractive guy with terrible outlook/attitude, or 5'2" chubby $30K/year 4-inch penis but positive outlook and confidence. Most lean toward the short guy with good attitude or claim they would stay single. Aurora: would pick the "douchebag" depending on how ugly the short one is. Alex (massage): short one with better attitude. Avery: short one with better attitude (gun to head). Alex (engaged): refused to answer (disrespectful to fiance). Discussion of whether engaging with hypotheticals while in a relationship is disrespectful.

Taylor vs Kiko confrontation

Taylor (SPEAKER_11) and Kiko (SPEAKER_12) have extended conflict. Taylor: Kiko made YouTube videos about her; wants to face her directly. Kiko: offered boxing match to Taylor for $10K (Mason relayed the offer). Multiple heated exchanges including personal insults and near-physical altercation. Brian mediates, clarifies the boxing match offer was meant as an organized event, not a street fight. Taylor accuses Kiko of fake niceness in person vs. online aggression. Kiko says DHS/manosphere investigation comments were about regulation, not the show specifically. Resolution: Kiko apologizes (did it "for show/laughs"); Taylor accepts; they shake hands.

Christian / OnlyFans contradiction discussion

Brian pulls up Avery's Instagram and OnlyFans (link in bio). Both Aurora and Avery wear cross necklaces in their photos. Brian asks if they think God approves of their content. Both acknowledge God does not approve but say he "understands." Mason invokes Rich Young Ruler parable. Discussion of how to reconcile Christian faith with sex work.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian reads viewer request to rate looks 1-10 ("Stiffler" question). Avery: 8. Alex (massage) / Kitty merged: 10 then 5 then 6-7 (unreliable due to speaker merge). Maya: 10 (says she would not change anything; would not change lips even when pushed). Alex (engaged): 10. Aurora: 7 (insecurities include forehead, wants breast augmentation). Mason: 8 (not insecurity; objective evaluation). Extended debate on whether self-rating reflects insecurity or honest objective assessment. Discussion of whether most women look better at 28 vs 18.

Will you be more attractive in 10 years?

Brian asks if guests will be more physically attractive in 10 years all else being equal. Aurora: no (will be less attractive; will get BOTOX at 28 for wrinkles). Maya: yes, probably. Mason: explains peak attractiveness argument — women in their early 20s have peak mate-value. Brian: prefers his current self. Avery: better in 10 years. Alex (massage): better in 10 years. Kiko: discussion of Millennial vs. Gen Z aging trends. Extended debate on objective aging vs. styling/presentation.

Plastic surgery / natural body supremacist debate

Brian declares himself a "natural body supremacist." Would prefer flat chest over implants, no-BBL over BBL, small natural lips over filler. Jeff Bezos plastic surgery girlfriend cited as counterexample. Mason: most men prefer natural look; women get plastic surgery partly for female competition. Maya: nothing wrong with surgery if it makes you happy. Aurora: does not have lip filler (contested by Brian). Kiko: would get tummy tuck after children. Debate on whether cosmetic surgery for post-birth body issues is acceptable. Mason and Brian form "natural body supremacist" alliance.

Trans / gender hypothetical

Brian poses hypothetical: trans woman (no bottom surgery) vs. trans man (no bottom surgery) — which would you choose? Brian: would choose trans man (technically still "straight"). Kiko and Mason debate what constitutes heterosexual attraction in the scenario. Leads into Kiko and Taylor trans discussion / Kiko's pronoun stance.

Taylor departure and reconciliation

Brian announces Taylor needs to leave (~3:08:58 into show). Before leaving, attempts Kiko-Taylor reconciliation. Kiko admits she did things "for show / for laughs." Taylor accepts, says she respects the honesty; no beef if there is a genuine apology. They shake hands. Taylor exits. Maddie (production staff) joins the panel.

Only-fans girls and first date payment debate

Brian argues women who do OnlyFans are not deserving of traditional chivalrous treatment (man pays first date). Alex (engaged) and Aurora strongly disagree: work is unrelated to dating treatment. Mason: only traditional women deserve traditional treatment. Extended debate on whether sex work disqualifies someone from receiving gentlemanly behavior. Brian's position: if body count over 30, man should not be expected to pay first date.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts going around the table. Brian to Mason: already said it; 0 (virgin). Avery: 8. Alex (massage): 5 or ambiguous (she says she lost count; then says "around 30" is reasonable guess; then says it may be below 50; very unclear). Alex (engaged): 5. Maya: lost count; deleted her list; 30+ estimate; probably under 50; over 20; "a lot." Kiko: under 10 (confirmed by Mason on show). Aurora: 5 (real life virgin claim earlier; e-body count 100+). Kitty: declined ("not that high for my age"). Brian: did not disclose. Notable: Aurora had claimed to be a virgin in real life earlier in the show; this was contested by other guests.

Kitty car smash and ex drama

Kitty shares ex-boyfriend smashed her car (video shown on screen). They reunited and hooked up for 3 weeks hoping he would pay for the car. He then went to sleep with someone else. He asked Kitty to delete all photos and sign an NDA to get car money; she refused. Ex is currently seeing an escort despite claiming to prefer younger women with low body count.

Dominatrix discussion

Kitty reveals she was a professional dominatrix at Pandora's Box NYC. Had a "slave/pet" she walked on a leash with "Property of Kitty" collar at her NJ bar job. Maya also reveals she was a professional dominatrix. Discussion of client demographics: alpha men, executives, athletes — all types. Hot firefighter client had babysitter kink (OTK). Consultation alone cost $700+ minimum; full sessions thousands. Avery notes dominatrix work paid more than OnlyFans.

Avery's LA dating scene monologue

Avery speaks about LA dating culture: most men she encounters are only interested in sex. Two attempts at dating during 6-month celibacy period resulted in sex-forward interactions. Online dating also same pattern. Many women she knows in LA have stopped going out to parties/underground raves because the environment is too sex-forward. Post-COVID social skills have degraded, especially for Gen Z who were 14 during lockdowns. Kiko adds: "bimbo culture" has led men to assume all women are hypersexualized. Avery says she is not going back out there; content with where she is.

Three guests kicked out

Two unnamed guests who had been making disruptive eye contact / faces at each other for hours are asked to leave by Brian (~342:09). Brian tells them to "kindly go" and their security guard can take them back to LA. Brian says a third guest also left at this point. Context: Avery was trying to share her story about LA dating scene and sex-forward culture. Brian later explains: they had been doing this for 2-3 hours; he had given them passes. All three had reached out to the show themselves to appear.

Closing / end of show

Brian wraps up; closing comments from remaining guests. Recap of why the two girls were kicked out. Discussion of whether guests get paid (they do not; Brian argues mutual promotional benefit). Brian notes Andrew Wilson coming back for future shows. Twitch raid to a WoW Season of Discovery streamer (Stranglethorn Vale Blood Moon event). Final goodnight.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdozens or even hundreds of women who are just dying to spend money on us [ __ ] us Etc we would take that trade in a [ __ ] second so's I don't think a lot of men would actually like that what's that I don't think they would actually

Mason Gregoirelike that yeah I thought men like loved like women that are hard to get like that's what I told you men do not like women easy woman who it's not about easy no no it's not it's not we're not talking about easy or thirsty or like

Mason Gregoireyeah like girls that just I want to [ __ ] you so bad a bit much but that's what you just said no we want women who want us okay we don't want women who shoot us down or play hard to get or don't text

Kikous back I think their version of hard to get is like just not sleeping with you right away they're not not they're not communicating with you no a lot of women view them playing hard to get is literally them just not I'll repeat it

Auroraone more time if you play hard to get you quickly become hard to want that's fine that is not true it is 100% true men are so easy and it's just

Auroraembarrassing so I think I'm attracted to men a man that's like not so [ __ ] easy and that's why I like the most men are very I feel like that's what I mean when I say I feel like I want a man that I feel like doesn't like me and like my

Brian Atlasversion of that is like somebody that's not so [ __ ] easy and like cuz men are just easy like always like that's what I'm used to Yo AB Che thank you for the gift of 20

Maddie (staff)memberships um are most of these men that are easy coming to you yes that's why they're easy cuz they want you whereas if it were different and you wanted a man um

Maddie (staff)that didn't want you it would be harder wait what what did you say I'm saying it's you think that men are easy because the men that are coming to you want you that's why it's easy for you to get them

Maddie (staff)whereas if it were a man that you wanted that didn't want you would be harder you haven't experience that yet in fact you said you were more attracted to those

Auroramen well yeah I guess so yeah to the I the thing by the way like you wouldn't consider a woman a s like in

Aurorasomeone that's like I know a s Woman Brian oh yeah there are but like go a guy who has only fans like there's not so many girls like subscribing and like wanting that it's always more men yeah

Brian Atlasgay men what it's just like a man's like natural thing is to be like I'll bring it back to my whole thing thing cuz you guys are grilling me on the whole me not paying for first dates back in the day I

Brian Atlaswas on here's let me give a bit more context right so I was on dating apps now the reality is when you're meeting a lot of these women on dating apps Tinder even hinge which I think is a bit more

Brian Atlasgeared towards people who are looking for something a bit more serious Bumble whatever it may be I've had so many experiences going on dates with these girls they're dating multiple

Mayadudes that's fine no it's not not if you want me to there's no [ __ ] way what are you doing on there dating multiple women like what like you're on a dating have what is the difference well the

Brian Atlasdifference is I'm not going to pay for a date with a girl who's entertaining multiple dudes you can get my you can get that if you're my girl if we're in a committed relationship I'm ain't going

Mayato be paying for a date with you and then you're [ __ ] this dude another dude the next day that's crazy well I don't know I think like I'm not going to invite you to my birthday party at dve and Busters if I'm not going to pay for you so I don't think you should ask me out like I'm not going to invite you to

Mayamy birthday dinner and not pay like I'm not going to invite you out and not pay so like if you invite me to dinner ask me out I'm you should pay let me give you let me give you a scenario so there's a girl if I I match with a girl

Brian Atlason a dating app and she's currently sexually involved with two men now I don't know this but she's sexually involved with two men I'm on a first date with her she [ __ ] a guy yesterday

Brian Atlasand she has a plan to [ __ ] the other guy tomorrow do you think I should be a upstanding gentleman and pay for this woman you know women deserve to be

Mayatreated and also like women deserve to be treated what well how would you know let her answer this isn't for you provided and like cared for and respect

Mayabecause why cuz they're woman they're ladies yeah ladies even if she's [ __ ] another guy maybe we can get to know each other more and then while she's [ __ ] another guy you can take me out

Auroraafter that okay please let me join like why okay I understand why the hell would you pay for somebody's first date if you knew she was [ __ ] two other guys like what if I don't and she's so you're just going to expect that from every girl you

Brian Atlasgoing on to date with if you're on the dating app you should but don't go on dates from dating but expect what thing from me that you're [ __ ] two other girls but

Brian Atlasthere's not a burden on her for for her to fight be for just double standards like as a woman there's no okay hold on as a guy there's no world where I can

Brian Atlasever go on a first date with a girl ever and expect her to pay for the date in its entirety to pay for me and for her now maybe I can expect to split that's

Brian Atlasbare minimum whereas women you can go on a date expecting that the guy pays for the whole thing or maybe maybe there's a split I paid for my first date okay you

Kikosimed for your boyfriend whatever no I didn't you said you were like chasing this guy down from moner I did not say that oh my God you said you met I also I also split my first date with myfriend I got my Starbucks points to pay for me

Auroraand my ex to go on dates like he would I would pay like he wouldn't even want we're talking First Dates here though well we didn't go on a first day I don't think here's my thing right if

Brian Atlasyou're properly single I'm much more inclined to be willing to pay for a first date but if if you're like entertaining multiple options which is advice a lot of women get date multiple men at the same time

Brian Atlasmaybe even sleep with multiple men at the same time it makes absolutely zero [ __ ] sense for any self-respecting man to pay for a first date for a girl

Brian Atlaswho may very well later that night after your wonderfully romantic and chivalrous date she goes and [ __ ] another dude no I totally agree yeah I agree too well that's the dating meta right now well

Brian Atlasnot for me why would I ever be [ __ ] two different guys and going on are you entertaining multiple men you have Discord boyfriends well yeah but you talk to them every single day why

Brian Atlasthe [ __ ] am I going to take you on a date and then after okay this is hypothetical okay I'm not actually saying I'm going to whatever I'm saying why would a guy go on a date with you and want to do all this providing when

Brian Atlasyour romantic attention is divided well I don't have any romantic I'm you said you have a Discord boyfriend yeah so I'm I'm supposed to take you

Brian Atlasserious when you're like constantly talking to this other dude in a romantic context no what no you're not that's what I'm saying like I totally agree if I'm entertaining other men no you

Maya (split label)shouldn't pay for our first date whatever but like and most women are entertaining other men maybe just dating other men cool not to the same degree I mean some men probably I don't know I

Maya (split label)think I think that there's delusion on both sides of the spectrum of what men think is happening with women and what women think is happening with men on an average I think it's delusion on both sides to be honest because if they're saying that and you guys are saying that

Mason Gregoireso what you're saying is that you think it's easier it's the same it is just as easy for a man to get a date with a woman than is a woman to get a date with a man no I'm not saying that I'm saying the assumption that that generally the

Maya (split label)average woman is is entertaining multiple men men and that in general the average man is M uh like entertain multiple women that's that's that's a false delusional dichotomy that's not

Maya (split label)well I'm saying that women have the opportunity and with opportunity comes more High more Temptation more Temptation higher probability also women

Maya (split label)are very different than men if men had that they would be the tenfold more I agree I agree it's not the case men don't have the same opportunities you

Maya (split label)guys literally have a book that talks about spinning plates and in a book that teaches men how to spin plates what wom women don't have anything like that what

Brian Atlasdoes that mean so I'm talking about yes they do yes they do Cosmopolitan just you guys talking among there's never ever been anything that's

Maya (split label)explicitly taught a woman how to entertain multiple men maybe there's been content on how women could finesse men for money but there's never been

Maya (split label)content on how women are teaching women how to entertain multiple men like there is content out there for me ask ask question okay so you're talking about dating multiple people at the same time

Brian Atlaswho has a greater capacity to do that men or women women but is that is that the reality it's hard to say but I would argue like this almost comes back to who has an easier time getting laid I would

Brian Atlasargue almost if any woman was inclined to she could like have three like three five 10 [ __ ] buddies at the same time could have should have would have but

Brian Atlasthat's not the reality I would argue Maybe the top 5 10% of men can do that most men are not able to have that degree of sexual optionality can would

Mason Gregoireshould but that's is it statistically hasn't it been found statistically that like isn't it 60% of the girls who are within the ages of what was it it was

Mason Gregoirelike 19 to 30 are in a relationship and then it's like 30% of men so statistically you're wrong statistically more women are in relationships than men are but I think statistic men are more

Maya (split label)sexually active than women when we also look at those statistics nope yeah I remember I was just reading one with this and it's also like how can you be in a relationship with multiple like

Brian Atlaslike that's because if there's one guy dating five women they all they're all claiming to be in a relationship he's monopolizing five women but that's only one guy so that's how the statistics

Kikowill be sked I think it's called a neighborhood phenomenon where it's like only the top 10% are getting represented so like those top 10 over sexually active people are like the ones that

Kikolike we all are focusing on and get the rap so like yeah I mean those kinds of studies are also based on self admittance um so it's it's kind of like

Maya (split label)statistics like that are kind of hard to really value at Fai cuz I'm I'll tell you I'm a woman and I have many woman friends you know and I've grown up with many woman friends I'm 26 years old and

Maya (split label)at this time throughout the entire time of me being a woman and having female friends that has never been a norm or an average I've had like one friend who was a cheater that was a girl I'll say this

Brian Atlaslook spending money it's reserved for your girl until she is your girlfriend should keep your money look where that landed you a woman

Kikowho didn't want to cook for you exactly damn what that's you're obviously courting non-traditional women by their your spending habit on that was like seven years ago this anecdote of mine

Brian Atlasthat was your that's what you gave us to work with so I gave you sure I gave you one anecdote look here let me ask the panel question do you believe you should make men wait to get wifey

Maya (split label)privileges no no for marriage wifey privileges I don't know maybe cooking cleaning a child no if we're in a relationship that's yeah you're showing your capabilities for

Brian Atlasmarriage and yeah just like a man paying for the first date showing your capabilities to be a husband so okay if you were on a date with a guy and you were at his house say it's the second date second time hanging out and he's

Alex (engaged)like yo my laundry is over there can you fold it would you do it yeah second date yeah of course if I really liked him yeah I

Brian Atlasdon't think okay all right if you say so if you say so um maybe if he told me to he whoa

Avery Jennerokay I'm the opposite I would want to do it and then if he told me to I would want I was going to say the same if it's a second a lot of times when I'm in a relationship with somebody I kind of just pick that up like I I'll go and do

Avery Jennerthe dishes when we're done eating I'll make the bed once we get out like just as an automatic but if you ask me or tell me to do it hell no yeah I think

Brian Atlasthat might be a deeper in privilege not second dat that sounds like a dictator not a partner I'm just saying I don't think uh

Brian Atlasthe way the current dating meta is look there's some great girls out there that are properly single but if she's not if she's entertaining other men which if you meet her for example on the dating app she most likely is there's also a

Kikogood risk she might be sleeping with other men while considering dating you so what's the timeline how long does she have to wait before she went on her last date or slept with someone before she can go on and date with you what's like what is the the longer the better okay

Mason Gregoiresure Brian of course but what's the number I want a woman who's only talking to one man at once so like I do the same she cut off that dude two days ago is that valid it depends on how long the relationship was okay yeah if it was

Mason Gregoirelike hey I went on one date with this one guy yesterday or maybe not yesterday I don't know but I only talk to one man at once yeah but then again that's like you're you're assuming that she's

Kikotelling the truth she could or couldn't be I don't know that's yeah like that's why I get not wanting to pay for a woman's date and then yeah she's sleeping with somebody but like dating is what it is it's dating so I think a

Kikowoman or a man should be allowed to go on a a date maybe he went on a date two weeks ago you can tell hey that's not going to work out time to go on a date with somebody else that's not I don't think that's her being shady I think

Brian Atlasthat's just her finding her partner and not settling cuz he paid for a date cool but if I was on a date for with a girl for example and I've had this I've actually had this conversation you know cuz sometimes I remember I was on the date with this girl and you know

Brian Atlassometimes it'll come up oh so how's dating going for you whatever and she told me that she had just download this was a date from Hing she had just download downloaded hinge and she had

Brian Atlasshe'd had it for five days she'd already been on three dates and then it was like a Wednesday and then she's like well I have a date on Friday or Saturday and I like I immediately lost interest she for

Brian Atlaspay for her dinners like and she was she's like an average looking chick yeah average unremarkable that's not the most of women though that's like a I would say mature with the thing is is she's probably not sleeping with them though I

Brian Atlasdon't know about that I would say though sleeping or not going on that many dates is kind of counter I mean yeah something a little deeper opinion yeah I mean that's that is I think an issue yeah I'm not going to split oh also if she's late

Avery Jennerfor the date I ain't pay how about that punctual if she's well you guys were an hour late traffic don't give a FS don't give a [ __ ] damn that's why I

Avery Jennergot pulled over don't give a [ __ ] all of that happened no I'm just saying wait but what if you're late are you going to pay like well I mean that's the

Brian Atlasdefault I'm almost of of all the dates I've been on I've maybe been late one time maybe one time paid for that date I don't recall I don't know no I'm super

Brian AtlasI'm like with with dates though I'd be super punctual I always like to get there on time or even early it's great quality yeah yeah but if she's like 15 minutes late it's a bad first impr person

Brian Atlassorry yeah speak what if she warned you what if she told you oh my God this sure there okay so yes it's there's a courtesy thing like it it it depends what is she end up paying for the whole

Brian Atlasdate for being late that would actually I'd be impressed impressed there's Contrition there there's like a exact you made up for that yeah that's a more about her

Maya (split label)character overall being the relationship would you AC mutual respect what are you saying right now yeah I would accept no I mean I'm just just curious because you

Kikoguys don't want like like a a woman that's going to like Brian is marrying a liberal woman I don't know where the confusion is with that Brian is never finding a traditional woman that went out the window years I I wouldn't no ke

KikoI wouldn't say that I I am saying that I'm I'm calling it as a fact I will look you up in 10 years and we'll see where we're at if you're married it's not going to be to a traditional woman it's going to probably be a traditional woman

Kikoin the same way that these only fans girls they're same way they're not going to get a traditional man same way you're not going to get a traditional woman here's the different though here's here's here's the difference

Brian Atlasthough is that um oh my God it is to some degree cope like this idea that oh they do o they're not going to be able to get a guy of this character actually like a lot of

Brian Atlasthese girls they're still going to get the guy to [ __ ] fall into his traditional like gender roles right now I don't again I don't consider myself 100% traditional for example I don't

Brian Atlaswant to get married that's not traditional why don't you why don't you want to get married Big L big [ __ ] L to get married especially as a guy in today's world it doesn't matter after

Brian Atlassix 10 years H it doesn't matter after 16 years but so I'd consider myself somewhere in the middle perhaps when it comes to

Brian Atlastraditional modern I'm not I don't consider myself like a the uh Paragon of being a tradition man you for tax breaks huh what's that no tax breaks don't care

Maya (split label)don't care they're not that big no marriage I'm not getting married I'll get married if she makes if she has more money than me how about that okay so it's Mone but so in the state I'm pretty sure in the state of California I think it's like six years if you together

Aurorayou're talking about common law marriage yeah I don't think California I'm pretty sure doesn't have same I don't think Mar there's only like three states do wait you wouldn't Mar I would want to be making I don't want to depend on a man

Aurorafor money but I don't want to be with a man who doesn't have money like that's cool or marry a man who doesn't have money either because that's cool and I don't want to marry a woman who doesn't have money either that's cool exactly so I have I agree with I'll date I'll I'll

Brian Atlashave a long-term relationship with you but marriage is out of funny as you always say men don't care about how much a woman makes I don't at you now it's not going to it won't ever preclude me from having

Brian Atlasinterest in a woman but what I'm saying is as a woman if you want me to marry you you got to be financially like you got to make more money than me so like I said men some men care about how a woman

Maya (split label)makes well I don't care because I don't care if I get married or not he's scared of of a woman coming in and then and then divorcing him and taking Rob him for all his money that's

Kikothat's and he says there there way around he always says women don't men don't care about how much a woman makes men don't care about this and that but you just said she needs to be financially stable and have this that

Brian Atlasand the third so men do care but I have okay that's I'm giving you a scenario the sole scenario where I would get

Brian Atlasmoney but if she if a woman did like had a I don't know worked at Chick-fil-A you would not date someone who work yes I would he would date but not marry yeah

Mayano I would have a long-term relationship with her then what's the point of longterm dating someone if you're not going to marry them like what's the end point what's the point of getting married if you're not

Brian Atlasreligious yeah are you not religious I I believe I believe um but when it comes to marriage and look I think even

Brian Atlasdevoutly Christian men have reason to fear marriage because here's the thing even though I think marriage is a substantial part of the chrisan faith in other religions Faith there are certain

Brian Atlasjust secular uh potential Road bumps when it comes to marriage even for Christian men because if your your wife at any point reserves the right

Brian Atlasto become an apostate or even if she doesn't become an apostate she can just change up and oh I want to get a divorce for whatever reason whether she remains

Brian Atlasreligious or not and then she's going to go see a divorce attorney who whether their religious or not is irrelevant they're interested in siphoning as much

Brian Atlasmoney as possible from this cuz I I I don't know exactly but perhaps sometimes they have they have an incentive basically to do as much work as possible and to perhaps uh get the most favorable

Brian Atlasoutcome for their client and then on top of that the state oversees the divorce not the

Brian Atlasreligion and so even for religious men the state will ultimately oversee if your marriage doesn't work the state presides over your marriage and divorce not the not I don't

Kikothink the state should have any involvement in marriage state out take it out of it I I greatly think the state should have some control over marriage maybe from the amount of wom

Kikowho on the flip side right we're talking about women taking men's money from divorces all the men who decide to leave their wives with their kids and go start a new family a new life with their new family and now their their wife who they

Kikomarried when she was 18 years old and knocked her up who has no no degree no job history is has to be put back out on the world with her three kids in a one-bedroom apartment trying to funnel

Brian Atlastheir Liv which is more common men getting divorce raped or men you just said word it's fine I whatever whatever that happening to men

Maya (split label)or men just leaving their Partners who they've cherished and have children with I mean I've heard personal and does that line up with a very similar because statistic because in divorce you can get divorce statistics that doesn't mean

Maya (split label)that the opposite isn't happening with non- divorce families especially in certain demographics in certain cities in the in the United States there is 100% influx of men that either go to

Maya (split label)jail or X Y and Z because of whatever government scheme that is targeting this demographic of people to be able to make their their fathers go to jail get caught up in drugs and then now you have

Maya (split label)you know or they just leave and and create another family you know but at the end of the day you're creating fatherless homes and leaving the mother to be by herself with the children right

Brian Atlasbut I would argue that there's a lot more men who are experiencing the negative outcomes of divorce than there are men who are in otherwise Happy relationships with their Partners who

Brian Atlashave children and she stayed at home and he just oh let me just upgrade and find a hotter chick that's pretty rare side there side chck no look it happens I think I think the acception

Kikorather than rule that's do we live in a terrible unfair world yes both are is what I'm saying why the state needs to be involved because there needs to be protections cuz what's worse okay I know it is worse I know it's really bad obviously if she takes you for your

Kikomoney you have to give her alony all this crap but having to pay your ex-wife a monthly fee or kids going on the street because their fathers are divorcing their mothers and leaving them

Mason Gregoirewhich one's worse which one needs more protection altruistically yeah you're right but the fact is a lot of these women aren't just like how can I provide for my kids it's like I want as much

Mason Gregoiremoney as possible which is exactly and it's vindictive yeah like I said the world is not fair War exists murder is a thing crime is real like I wish it

Mason Gregoirewasn't I wish it weren't the case I wish that having more government would get rid of all of that but it doesn't yeah but I don't think the church could handle it either well how about this so there's a case to be made that in the

Brian Atlasscenario you provided where the woman disregards pursuing a career she us to stay at home she raises a buch of kids right so let's say in that scenario um

Brian Atlasthat uh you know 10 years down the road they get divorced whoever initiates it right but let's say that man went on to make without her assistance in any

Brian Atlascapacity we acknowledge that you know in the household she birthed the children took care of them Etc but she didn't help him in any way to go on and let's say he went on to become a millionaire

Brian Atlasmaking millions of dollars a year I think what would be fair in the case of alimon and child support certainly if she init initiates the divorce whatever her earning potential

Brian Atlaswould have been had she continued pursuing whatever career it would have been I don't think she's entitled to some percentage of his million dooll earning capacity whatever if she was

Brian Atlasdestined let's say she never got married and she was predestined to become a hair stylist whatever alimon I don't choose that one okay what I don't know she was going to be she was going to work she's going to make the average wage she's

Brian Atlasgoing to go in the corporate world let's say she was going to make 60k a year but her husband goes on to make millions of dollars a year I do think what would be

Brian Atlasfair is he there could be an argument that he has to compensate her what her uh what she would have been destined to make had she not been married for alony

Maya (split label)yeah but as a man why would you not want to your kids to live in a great life she's going to have your kids most of the time right so whatever you get I completely agree but child support I feel like if you're a millionaire as a man you should want to be able to invest

Kikoin your children to that's why you married that woman that's the mother of your kids first second I think it should be varying if if whoever um initiates the divorce that definitely should be in

Kikoconsideration unless there's proof of like you know infidelity abuse or other things like that but if they're the one initiate divorce that's completely different so if she initiates the divorce and there's no abuse and no no infidelity she should get nothing what

Kikodo you think about that she should get child support yeah yeah cuz that was her choice if she's just unhappy in the marriage then that's her problem perhaps reasonable child support but it's not often most most of the time child support they they make it as low as they

Kikocan child support people not many men are getting effed on child support they most of the time they like what you even if your child support is 2,000 a month daycare is 2,000 a month it might seem like a lot but having that child is

Kikoalways a lot more especially the men who don't have their child children at all so that's one point to it and then two yeah you should want better for your kids anyways and then I had a third point but I forgot and not only that some guys get away not paying child

Kikosupport because they're working off the books and they're making like sometimes 5,000 my coworker did it heker who was getting paid under the table the past two years I didn't even know it they were helping him out so he wouldn't get his pay relinquished for but shout out

Maya (split label)shout out to the men that even if they do get paid under books and they don't want to go through court but they still provide for their child Absol [ __ ] lutely that's the dream yeah why wouldn't you want to take care of your kids right like it doesn't make sense

Mason Gregoireyou should like Court should be the last option yeah Court should be Last Resort I think on average most men are wanting to take care of the kids in that scenario in a divorce scenario I think most men are like I wish I had my kids I

Mason Gregoirewant to take care of my kids so in this terrible scenario where my wife is greedy and demanding all this money I'm still going to do it because my kids are still going to be taken care of and that's why I think if she's initiating the divorce that's usually where these

Mason Gregoireproblems come or men are getting stripped from their money CU women are just marrying and divorcing marrying and divorcing which which comes back to my original point I don't think so that's why I believe I don't think the

Mason Gregoiregovernment should be involved in this now is there going to be somebody who takes advantage of that and kicks their wife out puts them on the street maybe but I think that's the exception

Mason Gregoirelike how most people aren't murderers like how most people probably aren't violent criminals do they exist yes it's terrible but I generally think in the scenario where a woman gets kicked out

Mason Gregoireon the street with her kids I'm very sure that somebody or some entity is going to come and try to help her out I don't think I think Society in

Brian Atlasgeneral hates to see women and children suffering not really yeah a lot of that figure out I not figure out going Swit gear we're going to switch gears here a

Brian Atlaslittle bit so uh do scre oh we can pull that up really quick do you have it so we were talking about like schools being indoctrination so Maddie was in a

Maddie (staff)class this was my college success class that basically helps you um we'll come back to it go ahead throughout college and it gives you a lot of good advice but this is one of the assignments I

Brian Atlascame across and this was in a textbook it's it's College Success like 101 or something and actually I I used to personal development like and a lot of

Kikopeople take this class yeah like when there what's that I've never heard of it's getting worse over the years girl I'm telling you school like not that long ago it's not required it's not required but a lot of people so it's not

Maddie (staff)requ easy credit basically you know I was like I've never heard words wait so can you read it Maddie uh so it basically gives you a list of more privileged individuals in the world and

Maddie (staff)less privileged and on the more privileged side it says male white heterosexual affluent and English speakers inherently those are all more privileged people than someone who is female person of color lgbtq non-english

Kikospeaking that's the indoctrination that we're talking about inherently on the average on average in America let's not talk about other worlds in America on average right

Kikowhy do we have rules and laws to protect females people of color and lgbtq Community because they were less PR privileged I think protection is one thing but fake onious I it would be one

Kikothing if they were I get the indoctrinating I do see it it sometimes I just don't think that's a good this is Santa Barbara City College Madison yes okay oh I went to UC UC that

Maya (split label)might be why I didn't see it UC I went I went to uh UCLA I went to UCLA and the indoctrination not just for gender roles and stuff like this but for also things

Maya (split label)like Marxism like are you a Marxist Kiko the indoctrination is absolutely insane it's insane it's insane it also doesn't have to be in the

Mason Gregoirecurriculum a lot of people are teaching it can just like insert it right like oh for example there's blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and that's true I've had both wait pull it up one more time Nick it's also coming from like an like a

Maddie (staff)person who who's the teacher is the woman or a man privilege is Advantage resulting from above differences as a person who doesn't feel less privileged as a female and a

Brian Atlasnonwhite person it's only one I can with the only one I agree with is the fourth one yep yeah poor affluent of course

Kikoright of course on average if we why okay I feel like I'm just this wasn't the only thing aage we're talk about let's talk about male and white let's talk about

Kikothose yes white males are inherently start with Mal black woman let's start with males black woman we werey was like not even that long like what are we talking about right now

Brian Atlasequity and equality Lally have a woman out here saying that woman should have the right to vote anymore people do you know white people were slaves too do you know that oh my God the Italians and the

Mason GregoireIrish the longest of slavery was Korea it was like aund it was like 1500 years color are still in that you know do you know what the word slave comes from you know what it comes from what

Maya (split label)are we talking about right now are we talking about America or we talking about the world I thought we were talking about America in America who were predominantly slaves black people no am I there was white slaves the slaves in America well I mean

Brian Atlasthere was also like black slave owners sure okay why are we not answering why are we answering my question with something else like Cleo Cleo listen up

Brian AtlasI rather have CUO CUO okay CUO kako um you're the COO you're the

Brian Atlascooy right [ __ ] all right look no idea okay let's start with male you said that males have more privilege than females I said inherently I'm not saying every single

Kikoman born has what do you mean inherently like do you want me to pull up the Google definition for the what the word means I mean inherently on average a I'm not saying every single man every single white man that is born has more

Kikoprivilege than me or whatever forget white just male I'm not saying every male has more privilege than me just from being born but there is

Kikoa step up that a lot of them are given a step step up maybe when it comes to privilege

Kikoright even for example my parents right my mom is a black woman my dad is a white man dad's family millionaires Mom's family addicts in East

KikoOakland like it's I can go down the list of a lot of people I know and that's just one example of cool you have an you have an anecdote it's okay but that's like here stick to mail sck to male

Brian Atlasthat's what okay well I'm saying my all right what if your dad was black and the poor one and and there were drugs involved and your mom was right white and affluent well that's why they

Maya (split label)have white and they have male you to check off every box no and I get what you're saying but the issue is is how do you decipher that because for instance I grew up very very poor so

Maya (split label)going into college they automatically all assume and give a lot of resources to people of color yet they might have they might have came from a background that was more financially supported than

Kikomy background yet I had less help and resources I'm sorry that happened for you but in my school it was all based on income it had nothing to do with if you were black white this it was just based on your income and if your parents bring

Brian Atlasback on income graduating most people need help but I doly [ __ ] shut up okay don't [ __ ] stop tce no no no no I am because when I'm trying to redirect the

Avery Jennerconversation you just continue you yapping and yapping and yapping she yapping too tell her to should do that no what's up so at work the other day I had this conversation with somebody um a

Avery JennerHispanic girl that I work with or El Salvadorian to be specific made a joke that she was getting her nails done and she loved watching a white woman work for her now another girl that I work with white got really mad at this

Avery Jennerstatement and said that it was kind of reversed racist right but she was using it as dark humor because I'm sure her whole whole life she heard that people

Avery Jennerloved watching salvadorians or Mexicans or Spanish people work their ass off for white people so she was using it as dark

Avery Jennerhumor what would you guys say about that or agree with or not agree with I was told to shut up actually so be no cuz I feel like this is a really

Avery Jennergood conversation and I feel like it is a A continuing problem where as soon as people are held accountable for certain things now obviously you have your extremes people who take it a

Avery Jennerlittle too far on both sides 100% you're always going to have that but like for her I feel like she was just kind of making a joke cuz for Generations she

Maya (split label)felt that but she wasn't um it's a racist statement it's a racist it's a it's a reverse racist statement maybe if she like made a joke to her and was like oh haha so funny the

Maya (split label)roles are reversed but for her to say something like it feels good to have another ethnicity do this for me because of the historical dynamics of things that is Reverse Racism r a

Kikostatement okay explain to me how males have privilege over women I'm over it what do you mean you're over it I'm over it you can't tell me to shut up while I'm talking and think I'm going to continue the conversation we can talk about something

Brian Atlaselse but I'm not talking about this anymore no we are talking about it bro every time you get like Direct dered into these side conversations the reason I told you to shut up is because

Brian AtlasI've been trying to get an answer from you on this it's not a derailment it's a it's a part of the conversation we were getting somewhere and I might have been able to that if I'm like coming in cut off trying you if I'm coming in I need you to yield to me so I can keep things

Brian Atlas[ __ ] focused because if I wasn't even doing the bare minimum to keep things focused bro this conversation would just be all over the [ __ ] place totally understandable okay so answer the

Kikoquestion I'm okay n you're going to answer the question or what Brian like I don't have to answer it if I don't want to people don't answer questions all the time and you move on to the next person so you can move on and ask them what they did don't be butt hurt because I

Brian Atlastold you to shut up I lost my whole train of thought I lost everything I was speaking about okay let me restate what you said let me restate what you said then you said that males are privileged

Kikoover females inherently in through history yes inherently through history okay how when they had the right to vote before we did had the right to own land before we did they had the right to work

Kikobefore we did anything else the fact that we had to earn a right to vote should say enough about how men are more inherently prived the fact that we've never sorry the fact that we didn't have

Kikoit to begin with the fact you we only had we've had what 49 presidents what president are we on now and they've all been male male oh sorry white male besides one so it's things like that

Kikothat show us the fact that these things even exist for a reason which I'm I get what you're saying when it's teaching you oh when I come in I'm teaching it's showing me that I'm so less privileged first of all that's a flaw of yourself

Kikobecause I've never seen those things and thought that way I think if anything it just brings attention to people who might not realize how much privilege they have just from the person they were born as some people don't realize that

Kikoand it does great Justice for them to be able to recognize their privilege and use it for good so it's not supposed to show people oh if you're black or a woman or gay then you're is less privilege and you're screwed I don't

Avery Jennerknow I don't know if we can reference history as an example for this not what about today can we not reference history because even still now I'll even engage wait wait wait let me come in I will

Brian Atlaseven [ __ ] engage with you guys historically I'm prepared to say that actually even historically men had it worse than women and if you want to look at the Apex you want to look at the 1%

Brian Atlasof men who had power fine we can you want to look at the one less than 1% of men who had power cool that's not about men and woman that's about who had power if we're looking at the vast majority of

Brian Atlasmen the vast majority of women I'm prepared to say sit here and say historically I don't care how [ __ ] how [ __ ] far back you want to go men have always [ __ ] had it worse

Avery Jennerhow about that I absolutely because for a long time in history women weren't even allowed unless were Ted to they had to stay in the house all these rules women had to stay stay in their place right

Mason Gregoiremen decided that it's like that joke now now women want to you poorly as you want to well yeah but no absolutely let speak historically okay hold up no if we're

Mason Gregoiretalking historically women didn't actually want the right to vote you talk about it now well because they understood the privileged position they were in a man provided for them to live

Mason Gregoireprovided a place for them to raise a family all they had to do was take care of the take care of the home raised children and they found that an extremely true well that's that's just for most of History I feel like if that

Mason Gregoirewere true women would not have gang together to fight for rights like that oh that's that's not true though privileged extremely wealthy white men

Kikolike pushed for women to have the right to vote that if men don't want it we can't have it thank you like what no because women didn't want it it's only this recent phenomen able for us it is

Maya (split label)because white men wanted us to have it so we got it so what does that say white men dictate because they're taking yeah cuz they can take advantage of there was a there was a different motive than then just wanting women to vote behind them

Brian Atlaspushing women to vote because then all of a sudden if they if they start I'm just saying it only happened because a white man wanted it to which I'm prepared to make historical arguments we

Brian Atlascan go back let's go back to the 1910s when women didn't have the right to vote let's let's laser in segregated and a bunch of other stuff let's go back to

Brian Atlasthe 1910s this so women got the right to vote in 1918 I believe or was it ratified in 1920 my years might be slightly off there so would you prefer

Brian Atlasto be an 18-year-old man or an 18-year-old woman in 1914 18-year-old man really yeah that's interesting because you know what else happened in

Brian Atlasuh can somebody fix that that's the second uh you know what else off God did the popcorn spill again okay whatever you know what else happened in

Kiko1914 what World War I okay I would love to fight for my country if I was a man that's I'm literally a criminology and criminal justice major who's going to

Mason Gregoirefight my my counties and serve them so I think yes as a man I would want to serve my country it's not a privilege to fight in war it's I yeah I I understand you're

Mason Gregoirenot saying it's a privilege to fight in war but it's also something that us in our society we we have no grasp over I don't have a grasp over it I've never fought in war I've never seen it um I

Mason Gregoiremean the only the closest thing I can say I've I've seen a dead body and it's not exactly the same thing you would you would assume it would be it's it's a very different experience but people who

Mason Gregoirehave come back from war they they know it's an extremely unprivileged position to have to fight to have to go do that

Mason Gregoireand then especially in their case in 1914 being being forced to do so um yeah I I would find it extremely difficult to say that in

Mason Gregoire1914 I would be more privileged to be a man than a woman now I'm not saying I wouldn't go do it and I wouldn't go do it gladly to protect my country 100% I would do that but it wouldn't be a privileged position what happened to

Maya (split label)Free Will what do you mean free will all this privilege talk and everything we live in America the land of opportunity like

Kikowhat happened to good opportunity when say you're born from a crackhead I I mean I you work hard you work hard you work hard but you're definitely placed you have to work harder than someone who

Maya (split label)was born with a silver spoon if I mean it's more motivation it's more yeah because there's a lot of there's a lot of children that come from affluent families that have no moral guide or

Kikopurpose in this world because they've G been given everything to them on fine you that's fine but you can't say that someone who isn't born from an affluent family who is able to help them maybe pay for their college maybe get them their first car versus someone who's

Brian Atlasborn in say foster care sck to the [ __ ] topic we're going to talk about male privilege and female privilege so here bro because you guys keep derailing the [ __ ]

Kikoconversation we're literally like it's totally derailed every for 20 minutes but we can't talk about something that has not that I don't love it

Mason Gregoirenot Brian was trying to hone in on male versus female privilege and then we started talking about affluent crackhead it's totally derailed because it gets boring after a little bit talk about and

Avery Jennerwe're using hypotheticals and uh statistics to back up each other's things like you're the only one twe let me open it up to the whole panel

Maya (split label)so who's more privileged men or women men men speak into the mic please

Maya (split label)um I don't know honestly okay it really depends on what aspect you're talking about yeah true I

Mason Gregoireagree with them it depends okay that a really helpful answers here I'd say men men okay Mason uh I would say in today's day and

Auroraage women I agree why honestly I think I would say woman why would you say that um because we have like pretty

Kikoprivilege that's true that's fair that's well put based right about ug what about an ugly girl does an ugly girl have the same privilege as a beautiful woman I

Kikoguess not in not matter no okay but I think ugly man versus attractive man obviously attractive man have different privileges than an ugly man but an overall like when we mean umbrella statement yes that regardless if they're

Brian Atlasattractive or not men have more privilege but if you're an attractive woman you can have privilege but if you're an ugly woman then what do you get yeah okay so let's go let's fast forward back to modern day so if we're

Brian Atlaslooking at the modern day how are male how do males have more privilege than women in totality you can answer Kiko this is I'm tired of talking ah you can talk go ahead I'm tired of talking can we get

Kikosome other well I don't know if any of the girls want to win on that I don't either well you were making the argument I'm tired of I every time I try to make my argument I'm apparently so I'm like no because well I'm asking you a direct

Brian Atlasquestion as the host you start talking over here about crackhead babies you see how that's different paining to the conversation but you see

Kikohow I just asked you a question about the topic talking about afflu about male privilege in on little words just because you're a white man you want to focus on the man part when there was a lot of other details on that list so I'm

Mason GregoireTI he also granted he he said the affluent thing was was a perk like was a privilege he granted that I've already why would that brought only one of the seven things that was being brought up then he agreed with that I'm saying it

Brian Atlasyou're beating a dead horse right now is what I'm saying we've already I'm not beating I'm not beating a dead horse I'm asking you to provide evidence for how men are privileged over women I think you're trying to say history doesn't matter but it does that's always going

Avery Jennerto be a framework of what we are dealing with for 100 years it's IR the vote is irrelevant has been vot is not just the only detail that's been laid over 100 years yeah that's what's that voting is

Brian Atlasnot the only detail that's been laid out on the table okay so articulate to me a right or privilege that men have that women don't perhaps is granted by the

Brian Atlasgovernment can you think of any right that men have that women

Kikodon't I told you I'm done talking about no you're going to talk I'm not especially if you're telling me I'm going to talk about something I'm actually not going to do it here's the dominant uh disagreement part coming out no it's not happening learn to speak to

Kikome and then maybe I will [ __ ] you're constantly rude Kiko to you I'm really not Brian I'm actually pretty nice to you no you're pretty rude you're pretty rude when I had this whole I had a girl screaming at me I was literally just

Brian Atlassitting here giggling but I'm [ __ ] rude yeah yeah there's more than one way besides being like directly for example like if I'm trying to direct the flow of

Brian Atlasthe conversation and you hear me speak speaking and you just continue babbling on about whatever un irrelevant topic it is yes that's rude especially when we

Brian Atlassay before the show hey if Brian's trying to like cut in and like redirect things get things back on topic yes it's rude okay everyone having sidebars the whole time well I've usually sat and waited and didn't say anything second of

Kikoall it wasn't completely it wasn't like I was having a sidebar conversation we were still talking about what was going on and you didn't say okay you said shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up shut the [ __ ] up let's go over here there's a certain way to do things actually no

Brian Atlasbecause I'll try to cut in and you'll just keep talking and talking no you will you don't like the other girls I'll give them credit if I start talking they tend to they'll tend to yield but you'll

Avery Jennerjust like keep [ __ ] going oh baby [ __ ] crackheads blah blah blah blah blah like [ __ ] taking that so out of context because during that statement we were using hypothetical she was using a

Kikohypothetical just like you do when we're debating to it was irrelevant to the we were talking about race and they were saying that race matter we were talking about male because you were stuck on that but nobody else wants to talk about that

Brian Atlasanymore Brian we're all moving past that point no you're you're not already talked about about for 20 minutes so why don't you just answer the question cuz I'm over the conversation well you I think you're actually just cowering away

Avery Jennerfrom engaging in the debate I think we I've asked forence a lot about privilege as an umbrella statement and that was part of privilege in the like statement I've asked for evidence of how solid I

Avery Jennerfeel like also most of the girls don't talk and they're trying to debate something that was actually keeping the conversation going so it wasn't boring here yeah thank you I agree I think what Brian was trying to

Mason Gregoiredo was trying to isolate one area of privilege and then possibly move on to the others so that's fine but we're saying it's taking too long like we've been talking about this for a good like 30 minutes the reason now we're having a

Brian Atlasmeta conversation because you're being you're throwing a fit and you won't just actually my FIT I find more more entertaining than that boring ass conversation we just had or you could just engage in the conversation instead of having a meta conversation engaging

Brian Atlasin the conversation engaging in the conversation would be if I'm asking you a question asking you to clarify your position instead of being like throwing a throwing a little temper tantrum you could just answer the question I feel

Avery Jennerlike when everyone anyone is told to shut the [ __ ] up or to answer a direct question especially with the demeanor that you did I would react the same exact I absolutely would because it is disrespectful and I understand talking

Avery Jennerover somebody is also disrespectful and interrupting them as well but we were on topic and we were talking about stuff the conversation was actually flowing that was actually interesting how about if you're instructed if you're instructed before the show and you've

Brian Atlasbeen on the show what five six seven times and we provide pre-show instructions that says hey if Brian is trying to redirect the

Brian Atlasconversation yield to him so he can get people back on point instead of you guys totally going off into [ __ ] anywhere now we're continuing to have a

Brian Atlasmeta conversation so just why you engage with the actual question I'm I'm good off this topic now I'm good you can't just say you're good I can I can I have free so you're conceding okay so then

Brian Atlasyou're conceding the argument oh God you're just conceding the argument look then I'll just make my point and you can just concede so when it comes to male

Brian Atlasprivilege here's my position upon birth males are circumcised that's a most men most boys excuse me in this country are

Brian Atlascircumcised upon birth they have their genitals mutilated that's an extremely strong argument for how immediately where's this male privilege they they

Brian Atlascan't consent to it and then of course I could bring up the draft forced military conscription that's huge and if we look at just life outcomes of men compared to

Brian Atlaswomen we can talk about homelessness we can talk about uh self-d deltion we can talk about incarceration rates we can talk about police brutality police

Brian Atlaspolice uh uh uh police brutality police killings

KikoEtc ironically enough I feel like all of those things are also predominantly men ironically perpetrated by men yeah so the the whole point is

Kikowomen we get traumatized by other men or things get put on To Us by men men your issues things that are getting put on to you or by other men so what's the issue here which proves the point from the

Mason Gregoirebeginning down L topic it doesn't mean that the men who are getting attacked like killed so it doesn't matter doesn't mean that they don't doesn't matter because it's other they're not privileged to no one said that it

Avery Jennerdoesn't matter because of that all all you're saying is that men are stronger which is a biological fact that can't be remedy smells like steak yeah ites it

Avery Jennersmells so good my God what are we doing I'm hungry now I know it's like wafting and terrible it's cold in here too I know I had to put my jacket back on I have a question then for the whole panel

Mayado you think that you can be sexist towards men yeah yeah yeah why not yes absolutely yeah

Brian Atlasyeah yes can you be racist towards white people uh

Kikoyeah o I'm can you come back to me on no we can't come back to you I'm actually really curious because like I think you can be discriminatory I think you could definitely be discriminatory I I don't

Kikoconsider it racism I don't I don't believe in Reverse Racism so what's your definition of racism um um discrimination with prejudice behind it

Brian Atlasyou mean Prejudice plus power yeah okay like I it's you couldn't be racist towards a white person is what you're

Maya (split label)saying I could be discriminatory I don't think I could be racist you couldn't be racist yeah I think it's I think it's discrimination if a person if a person

Maya (split label)of color was in a position to hire someone and they had personal biases against say white people and they didn't hire them based off of that would that not be racism plus power plus

Brian Atlaspower yes I guess yes it would be racism I guess that would be racism yes I'm trying to be open-minded like I'm not trying to just be stuck in my choose if Barack Obama didn't want to hire a white

Brian Atlasjanitor for the White House during his presidency because he was white would that be racism I guess so you you guess I guess

Brian Atlasthat would like it's you're not totally sure if the leader of the Free World one of the most powerful nations in the world the president of the United States

Brian Atlasdidn't want to hire a janitor cuz he's white would wouldn't the president of the United States be the one who has the almost that's the top of the hierarchy I love how we've had like almost 50

Kikopresidents and you can only pick one right for a certain reason well it's just that's why I'm like I I see those stances that I guess that is racism but whenever I hear someone throw out Reverse Racism it's not it's

Avery Jennerdiscrimination so that's why I am very wishy-washy on that okay we'll continue on um can you be racist towards white

Avery Jennerpeople I think so yeah absolutely yes yeah but I think it's a lot rarer like it would it's more discriminatory than racism I do agree with that that's

Brian Atlaswhy I brought up the topic I did earlier okay yes yeah yeah wait oh yes you can be yeah okay can okay huh that's

Brian Atlasinteresting Kiko isn't that almost racist to say that you can't be racist towards white people that's what you want to call it now is this a global phenomenon like what if I'm in talking I'm talking about America you're talking

Kikoabout in the in the US America is so nuanced when it comes to race and everything cuz since we are such a big Melting Pot that we cannot talk about racism ethnicity anything like that in

Brian AtlasAmerica on the same scales globally so if a black person were to say that they hate white people that in your worldview that would not be

Kikoracism overall usually no I guess I I understand how that statement comes off as inherently racist but it's because white PE well black okay white

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