3 RUDE GIRLS KICKED OUT?! Ragequit Keeko Cat Fight?! ØF Girl VlRGlN?! (CAP???) | Dating Talk #149

Date: 2024-04-03

Duration: 5h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlex (DT149-engaged)>

AAurora (in 4k)>

MMaya (DT149-cannabis)>

AAvery Jenner >

AAlex (DT149-massage)>

KKitty (DT149)>

MMason Gregoire >

TTaylor (DT149)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_02Maya(guest)

SPEAKER_03Aurora(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alex (engaged)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Avery Jenner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alex (massage) / Kitty(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maya (split label)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Taylor(guest)

SPEAKER_12Kiko(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. Panel includes Aurora and Avery Jenner (returning from DT#156), Taylor (returning with prior beef against Kiko), Mason (returning co-host), Kiko (recurring co-host), and new guests Alex (engaged), Maya (cannabis), Alex (massage/fashion), and Kitty (hair/photographer).

“"all right we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

QuoteAurora reveals she has an ongoing all-day Discord call with her "boyfriend" — she is actively in the call during the podcast right now.

“"I think we're still in a call right now"”

QuoteMason Gregoire reveals he is a virgin, saving himself for marriage. Goes into Air Force Special Reconnaissance; pipeline is 2 years. Not looking for a relationship right now due to deployment timeline.

“"I'm a virgin I'm waiting for marriage"”

ControversyTaylor vs. Kiko confrontation. Taylor confronts Kiko for making YouTube videos about her. Multiple heated exchanges. Taylor: "I watch four podcasts with you talking about me so let's do this." Near-physical altercation avoided. Kiko offers boxing match for $10K. Brian mediates. Eventually resolved with handshake.

“"I watch four podcasts with you talking about me so let's do this"”

ControversyKiko immediately fires back at Taylor upon arrival: "keep the energy you had before remember keep that energy." Tension escalates rapidly from opening moments of Taylor's entry.

“"keep the energy you had before remember keep that energy"”

QuoteKiko reveals she has been approached multiple times by people trying to get her to sabotage the Whatever Podcast, but declined every time.

“"you know how many people have reached out to me trying to get me to sabotage you"”

QuoteKiko apologizes to Taylor, admitting she did the online videos "for show / for laughs." Taylor accepts the apology. They shake hands and reconcile.

“"I was doing most of the stuff for laughs that's why I am sitting up here laughing"”

OtherTaylor accepts Kiko's apology and departs the show early. "I'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot."

“"I'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot thank you"”

OtherBody count round. Maya: lost count; deleted list; estimates 30+; probably under 50. Aurora: 5 (claims to be a virgin in real life despite 100+ e-body count). Avery: 8. Alex (engaged): 5. Kiko: under 10. Mason: 0 (virgin). Kitty: not disclosed. Alex (massage): very unclear / lost count.

“"what's everybody's body count starting with Madison"”

QuoteMaya admits she lost count of her body count, deleted her list, estimates it's around 30 (and says 30 seems reasonable as a guess), though she does not confirm the exact number.

“"I don't know the number though so I don't cuz people are going to be like oh yeah it's 75 100"”

QuoteKitty reveals her ex damaged her car, they reconciled for 3 weeks, then he immediately cheated again and asked her to sign an NDA to get the car money. She refused.

“"he literally told me to delete all our photos say that we never dated and to sign an NDA"”

QuoteKitty reveals she was a professional dominatrix at Pandora's Box NYC. Had a pet/slave she walked on a leash with "Property of Kitty" collar at her New Jersey bartending job. Minimum consultation alone was $700; full sessions in the thousands.

“"I would literally chain him up and walk him around"”

ControversyBrian kicks two (later says three) guests out of the show for repeatedly making disruptive faces at each other while Avery was speaking. "look if you guys want to leave then just get out go ahead." The guests leave immediately. Brian explains they had been doing this for hours.

“"look if you guys want to leave then just get out go ahead you guys can leave go"”

QuoteBrian defends not paying guests: mutual promotional benefit (similar to being invited on Joe Rogan). Notes the kicked-out guests had reached out to the show themselves and then complained about show length. Calls out their sense of entitlement.

“"if Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast would that not be an opportunity"”

OtherAvery thanks Brian for giving her the floor; explains she had many DMs after the last episode wondering why she did not talk much. Notes she got new clients (tooth gems, nails, hair) from the show exposure even when she barely spoke.

“"I actually really do appreciate it I had a lot of people DM me after the last show"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Notable: Aurora and Avery Jenner returning from DT#156. Taylor arrives late (about 1.5 hours late per Kiko); tension between Taylor and Kiko is immediate. Mason challenges guests on feminist labels. Aurora reveals she has a Discord boyfriend she is in a call with all day. Mason reveals he is a virgin going into Air Force Special Warfare.

Relationship status round

Brian goes around table for relationship status. Alex: engaged (marrying next month). Kiko: in relationship since January 2023. Aurora: single; has Discord boyfriend; on a call with him during the podcast. Maya: in relationship a couple months. Avery: single since November (~6 months). Alex (massage): single since November; had on-again/off-again ex situation for 3 weeks. Mason: single; virgin, waiting for marriage; going into Air Force. Taylor: single for 2 years; longest relationship 6 years.

Aurora Discord boyfriend discussion

Aurora reveals she has an ongoing Discord call with her "boyfriend" all day. She is actively in the call during the podcast. Prefers online relationships over in-person; finds discord guys attractive for anonymity. Has had multiple Discord boyfriends; sometimes likes them genuinely. Said she is antisocial, isolates at home, plays Fortnite. Brian probes: not on any dating apps; rarely goes out. Mason: would not call online-only arrangement a "boyfriend."

Feminist label round

Mason asks who has ever identified as a feminist. Most say no or qualified yes in the past. Kiko: first wave feminism yes, modern feminism no. Aurora: no. Maya: not really. Avery: no. Alex (engaged): no. Taylor: complicated; had some identification with it. Mason argues modern feminism is net negative; Brian agrees.

Height / short vs. tall guy hypothetical

Viewer TTS asks guests to choose: 6'1" fit rich attractive guy with terrible outlook/attitude, or 5'2" chubby $30K/year 4-inch penis but positive outlook and confidence. Most lean toward the short guy with good attitude or claim they would stay single. Aurora: would pick the "douchebag" depending on how ugly the short one is. Alex (massage): short one with better attitude. Avery: short one with better attitude (gun to head). Alex (engaged): refused to answer (disrespectful to fiance). Discussion of whether engaging with hypotheticals while in a relationship is disrespectful.

Taylor vs Kiko confrontation

Taylor (SPEAKER_11) and Kiko (SPEAKER_12) have extended conflict. Taylor: Kiko made YouTube videos about her; wants to face her directly. Kiko: offered boxing match to Taylor for $10K (Mason relayed the offer). Multiple heated exchanges including personal insults and near-physical altercation. Brian mediates, clarifies the boxing match offer was meant as an organized event, not a street fight. Taylor accuses Kiko of fake niceness in person vs. online aggression. Kiko says DHS/manosphere investigation comments were about regulation, not the show specifically. Resolution: Kiko apologizes (did it "for show/laughs"); Taylor accepts; they shake hands.

Christian / OnlyFans contradiction discussion

Brian pulls up Avery's Instagram and OnlyFans (link in bio). Both Aurora and Avery wear cross necklaces in their photos. Brian asks if they think God approves of their content. Both acknowledge God does not approve but say he "understands." Mason invokes Rich Young Ruler parable. Discussion of how to reconcile Christian faith with sex work.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Brian reads viewer request to rate looks 1-10 ("Stiffler" question). Avery: 8. Alex (massage) / Kitty merged: 10 then 5 then 6-7 (unreliable due to speaker merge). Maya: 10 (says she would not change anything; would not change lips even when pushed). Alex (engaged): 10. Aurora: 7 (insecurities include forehead, wants breast augmentation). Mason: 8 (not insecurity; objective evaluation). Extended debate on whether self-rating reflects insecurity or honest objective assessment. Discussion of whether most women look better at 28 vs 18.

Will you be more attractive in 10 years?

Brian asks if guests will be more physically attractive in 10 years all else being equal. Aurora: no (will be less attractive; will get BOTOX at 28 for wrinkles). Maya: yes, probably. Mason: explains peak attractiveness argument — women in their early 20s have peak mate-value. Brian: prefers his current self. Avery: better in 10 years. Alex (massage): better in 10 years. Kiko: discussion of Millennial vs. Gen Z aging trends. Extended debate on objective aging vs. styling/presentation.

Plastic surgery / natural body supremacist debate

Brian declares himself a "natural body supremacist." Would prefer flat chest over implants, no-BBL over BBL, small natural lips over filler. Jeff Bezos plastic surgery girlfriend cited as counterexample. Mason: most men prefer natural look; women get plastic surgery partly for female competition. Maya: nothing wrong with surgery if it makes you happy. Aurora: does not have lip filler (contested by Brian). Kiko: would get tummy tuck after children. Debate on whether cosmetic surgery for post-birth body issues is acceptable. Mason and Brian form "natural body supremacist" alliance.

Trans / gender hypothetical

Brian poses hypothetical: trans woman (no bottom surgery) vs. trans man (no bottom surgery) — which would you choose? Brian: would choose trans man (technically still "straight"). Kiko and Mason debate what constitutes heterosexual attraction in the scenario. Leads into Kiko and Taylor trans discussion / Kiko's pronoun stance.

Taylor departure and reconciliation

Brian announces Taylor needs to leave (~3:08:58 into show). Before leaving, attempts Kiko-Taylor reconciliation. Kiko admits she did things "for show / for laughs." Taylor accepts, says she respects the honesty; no beef if there is a genuine apology. They shake hands. Taylor exits. Maddie (production staff) joins the panel.

Only-fans girls and first date payment debate

Brian argues women who do OnlyFans are not deserving of traditional chivalrous treatment (man pays first date). Alex (engaged) and Aurora strongly disagree: work is unrelated to dating treatment. Mason: only traditional women deserve traditional treatment. Extended debate on whether sex work disqualifies someone from receiving gentlemanly behavior. Brian's position: if body count over 30, man should not be expected to pay first date.

Body count round

Brian asks body counts going around the table. Brian to Mason: already said it; 0 (virgin). Avery: 8. Alex (massage): 5 or ambiguous (she says she lost count; then says "around 30" is reasonable guess; then says it may be below 50; very unclear). Alex (engaged): 5. Maya: lost count; deleted her list; 30+ estimate; probably under 50; over 20; "a lot." Kiko: under 10 (confirmed by Mason on show). Aurora: 5 (real life virgin claim earlier; e-body count 100+). Kitty: declined ("not that high for my age"). Brian: did not disclose. Notable: Aurora had claimed to be a virgin in real life earlier in the show; this was contested by other guests.

Kitty car smash and ex drama

Kitty shares ex-boyfriend smashed her car (video shown on screen). They reunited and hooked up for 3 weeks hoping he would pay for the car. He then went to sleep with someone else. He asked Kitty to delete all photos and sign an NDA to get car money; she refused. Ex is currently seeing an escort despite claiming to prefer younger women with low body count.

Dominatrix discussion

Kitty reveals she was a professional dominatrix at Pandora's Box NYC. Had a "slave/pet" she walked on a leash with "Property of Kitty" collar at her NJ bar job. Maya also reveals she was a professional dominatrix. Discussion of client demographics: alpha men, executives, athletes — all types. Hot firefighter client had babysitter kink (OTK). Consultation alone cost $700+ minimum; full sessions thousands. Avery notes dominatrix work paid more than OnlyFans.

Avery's LA dating scene monologue

Avery speaks about LA dating culture: most men she encounters are only interested in sex. Two attempts at dating during 6-month celibacy period resulted in sex-forward interactions. Online dating also same pattern. Many women she knows in LA have stopped going out to parties/underground raves because the environment is too sex-forward. Post-COVID social skills have degraded, especially for Gen Z who were 14 during lockdowns. Kiko adds: "bimbo culture" has led men to assume all women are hypersexualized. Avery says she is not going back out there; content with where she is.

Three guests kicked out

Two unnamed guests who had been making disruptive eye contact / faces at each other for hours are asked to leave by Brian (~342:09). Brian tells them to "kindly go" and their security guard can take them back to LA. Brian says a third guest also left at this point. Context: Avery was trying to share her story about LA dating scene and sex-forward culture. Brian later explains: they had been doing this for 2-3 hours; he had given them passes. All three had reached out to the show themselves to appear.

Closing / end of show

Brian wraps up; closing comments from remaining guests. Recap of why the two girls were kicked out. Discussion of whether guests get paid (they do not; Brian argues mutual promotional benefit). Brian notes Andrew Wilson coming back for future shows. Twitch raid to a WoW Season of Discovery streamer (Stranglethorn Vale Blood Moon event). Final goodnight.

Transcript

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Brian Atlashe got a happy ending I don't want to talk about this anymore no but these were provided yeah okay like hey is there anything you want to talk about during the show so I'm not

Alex (engaged)like exposing you here or anything this is just what you wrote okay I mean so do you do you want to talk about about it anymore I changed my mind is that

Alex (engaged)okay okay um and I don't want to talk about the other thing either okay I'll talk about what you said the first thing that you

Brian Atlassaid uh what was the first thing um about us doing our only fans and him being homeless I'll talk about that oh while was moving I was moving on if you I'm not going to if you don't want to

Brian Atlastalk about the other things that's fine just do know I'm not like ambushing you with this like you literally provided this in in response to me asking if there's anything I to

Alex (engaged)show you want doesn't want me to talk about that so oh okay so I told him I wouldn't and I and I well I did say I would talk about that but he doesn't want me to so I have to respect that I'm

Brian Atlasnot I'm not going to push it but um and then the other stuff you also said the government is trying to break apart the family unit yeah I do I do think that

Alex (engaged)you left I think would you care to elaborate well I'm giving you a promp okay okay okay I think the government is trying up break apart the family unit

Alex (engaged)because um with the transgender stuff and all that that's literally them okay pushing that upon like kids and everyone wait you're not okay with the government like espousing

Mason Gregoiretransgenderism no they're pushing that on people I think I think they're pushing that on to like children and would you say that they're putting

Mason Gregoiretransgender content in into the interwebs what does that mean inter Web Internet yeah they are okay and it's

Alex (engaged)destroying Society it's a negative on societ yes it's destroying Society it's breaking apart fames I get being against trans and kids stuff I

Brian Atlasfeel no no we're going to I it's I don't know what you're about to say it's coming from tell me what like without saying what you're going to say tell me what

Alex (engaged)you're um what do you mean are you going to you can't say too much are you going to Target Like A specific group no I'm not going to Target anyone I'm just saying I think the government coming from the government okay it's coming from the government I think that I'm

Mason Gregoiretying it back into the only fans content if you think that pushing that agenda is uh is a net negative for society and

Mason Gregoirewould you agree that having uh only fans content in society is a net negative yeah I think so why why are you

Mason Gregoireany better than the government I'm not saying I am so it seems like quite the hypocrisy if so why would you not want to vote for somebody just like who's

Mason Gregoirepracticing things like you not saying that uh that people in government have only fans but they they hold those same I guess um morals and beliefs that's that's true yeah I think

Alex (engaged)I guess that's just something I would consider I think I wouldn't say I like doing only fansy I but I do yeah I we stopped doing it for that reason because I wanted to be better not to do it I

Mason Gregoireguess if you want to be a net positive Society I would I would genuinely consider uh the the effect you're having on people if you want the well we've already we we I don't like lingering on

Brian Atlasthe porn bad thing for too long we beat it to death um you wanted to talk about pregnancy me or was it Avery it might have been

Brian AtlasAvery is it oh it was Avery you said you wanted to talk about pregnancy yeah I've just okay I've just prompted you what do you want to like I I want to

Mayaget pregnant and I have like I like pregnancy you want to get pregnant and you like pregnanc it is a kink I do too actually you do oh my gosh I actually I

Brian Atlasactually just got a positive pregnancy test yesterday congratulations wait you're having a baby congratulations thank you holy [ __ ] that's scuffed what I'm not no don't worry about it it's the [ __ ] camera angles

Kikodon't worry about it okay but I agree with you on that you said that that you that you wanted to I like think I would look good pregnant like I want like a bunch of kids having kids is more than wanting to be pregnant and thinking

Kikoyou're going to look pregnant how about how do you feel about raising a toddler and having a baby like how do you feel more about those can't go to Club no more OS no more I have five younger

Kikosiblings so I think I would be a great mom not right now not right now 19 you did say before that you wanted to be pregnant now well I didn't say now I didn't I want you want be a baby mama or

Taylora wife first or you just want to be pregnant I don't know oh hell no that's even worse you got to have a you got to have a man get

Brian Atlasgirl I think her fake porn name is Avery Jenner that's her real name Jenner is not your last name is it actually your real last name yeah that's [ __ ] [ __ ] I

Kikodon't buy it that's she's literally Armenian they're not Armenian the Jenners are not Armenian at all all Armenians have the last name Jenner Jenner is white and Bruce Jenner is white the Kardashians are Armenian from

Kikotheir father but KY and Kendall are not Armenian your middle name is Jenner yeah anyways you're turning yourself into a statistic right now okay you started off already with being a teenager in O which is like whatever we

Mayacan move past it but then being like I want to possibly be a baby mama and I can't wait to be pregnant CU I'm going to look so hot did Baby Mama come out of my mouth she asked they asked you you said you didn't care I did not say yeah I just said I want to eventually be

Mayapregnant and I don't think it's bad if I'm pregnant before I'm a wife or married that's what I'm saying that but you're turning yourself into like all these things that you have there's people that get pregnant before they're married no I think it's admirable it's admirable that she wants to have

Kikochildren she wants a teen pregnancy she wants a teen pregnancy that's where who is going to help her that's I I admire that you want to have children I think that's really she didn't say her first 10 words that

Kikocame out of her mouth was nothing about having children it was about I want to be pregnant that's the thing that she was saying she she yeah she said she's a kink for being pregnant she never said I can't wait till I have children to raise my own kids she said I want to be pregnant those are two different what is

Kikothat called birthing yeah like sounds like surrogacy is more up your alley but that's no that's not admirable to say have this mindset at this age wow that's

Taylorcrazy well biologically you're supposed to it's that bad I don't I don't either a static and she's a single mom and she's complaining like all the girls online it's more it's deeper though

Maya (split label)there's it's I admire because you have an inherent feminine characteristic of wanting to have children and being pregnant and everything and and that's admirable but I definitely think you

Maya (split label)should understand a society a little bit more and understand a child psychology a little bit more and understand how important it is to have both you the patriarchy approves start pumping out

Kikobabies 19 perfect I can't if she would have said I can't wait to be a mother I can't wait to have my kids I would have not my zip she said I cannot wait to be pregnant I have a pregnancy Kink I want

Alex (engaged)to be pregnant don't bring a baby into the world unless can't wait to be a mother unless you're ready biologically you're supposed to have kids like that's still completely different than what

Kikowe're talking different than a pregnancy kid is it a kink though for a woman to have a strong desire to want to get pregnant and not have the kids after not she said that she said said she wants to

Brian Atlashave a bunch of kids it's like a froan slip when you say something like that and you're not 19-year-old wanting to have kids and get pregnant or the 19-year-old or not

Brian Atlaseven that but just the women the woman who says well I want to wait till I'm in my late 30s get pregn whatever like the woman who who delays her so what's worse a 19-year-old who's doing only fans who can't wait to be pregnant or a woman who

Kikowaits till she's stable and ready to have children hm that's handle the fact of having kids look at all these girls now they are young moms and can't handle it like don't everyone looks at Kylie Jenner with two kids and like oh my God

KikoI can do that I wa she's not raising her own kids that's what I'm trying to point at it's nothing wrong with a mother I can't to be she always about how she

Kikowants to be like blow I think I'm just maybe the realizing words have power behind them so the way that you say things like realize that that can mean

Taylorare you on birth control though no wait the table who's on birth control no haven't I have an IUD no no nope no but I'm not doing

Alex (engaged)anything sexual well birth control is terrible for you I'm not saying it's a good thing but I'm definitely on it I want to interesting have um protection not just for my boyfriend but for any

Alex (engaged)any possib you know birth control actually like it's different if you're on it you're attracted to different types of men I've heard of that always cuz it's changing your chemical and

Kikobalance you have the copper one balance no oh no I have the hormonal one but then Chase was saying that since I'm on birth control I would want more feminine men and D I was basically only dating woman before I got in birth control and

Alex (engaged)now I date a pretty masculine hyper masculine man now that I'm on birth control it thinks you're pregnant when you're in birth control your body thinks you're pregnant so it wants a more sub like a like a beta man beta man Chase

Alex (engaged)said the oppos wants a guy that takes care of you whereas if you're not on birth control you want a masculine men man interesting like an [ __ ] pretty much yeah there you go it's true I don't

Avery Jennerknow if it's like specific to that but it does change like you said you were attracted to I guess just like medically right there are different responses to everything my home so for there's a

Mason Gregoirethere are different responses to like any drug like certain people are non-responders and certain people are responders so I wouldn't say that every single woman who goes on hormones is going to have that effect I would say

Mason Gregoirethey Pro they've done studies that have found that women generally speaking women who on hormones are going to have this uh like they're going to be attracted to different types of men than

Mason Gregoireif they were off hormones now maybe you're just a non-responder not in the way that like the drug doesn't work but maybe you're just a non-responder in that way that symptom I still consider that a response though the opposite it

Kikomakes sense like both ways because I also like in with medication usually I'm not the type to be like oh yeah I just took like an anti-anxiety I feel no anxiety or I just took a pain med I feel no pain like medicine doesn't really ever I don't really feel effects of

Mason Gregoiremedicine like that like yeah certain people are just uh not sensitive to certain things so I mean it makes sense but yeah but I do I do understand why like that conversation and I don't think

Kikobirth control is a good thing I'm I'm sure has many negatives my only tidbit with it is though I don't like too much talk about negatives on birth control when we already have a push for for more

Kikosexually Advanced people so if in society right now sex and casual sex is already getting pushed so much I don't want birth control being bad to be getting pushed at the same time because you see how that can be a recipe for

Kikodisaster if everyone's getting influenced to be absolutely hypersexual but then they're also getting influenced to not protect themselves cuz they're also not saying condoms they're just saying no birth control you know birth control actually makes you infertile no

Alex (engaged)it does in some cases but that's very rare that's I don't I if you take it for like a long time it I took it for 6 years and it [ __ ] you up I heard that

Alex (engaged)does that too no I'm just saying yeah because I had miscarriages before that s so so it does make you iner it can definitely mess with your fertility but I don't age messes with your fertility so no you should see fertility rates

Maya (split label)over time it's really bad wait how do you know if you're ferti no just in general because we're it's not just birth control it's environmental factors it's the microplastics it's the estrogen in the non-stick wear pan it's

Maya (split label)everything in general men and women fertility rates are plummeting damn like populated so kidding I'm sorry I feel bad for everybody I everybody feel

Mason Gregoiredeeply for anybody who struggles with intility that's a serious issue but yeah I think um it is logically consistent for those who are more traditional to not want birth or push against birth control I think it's logically

Mason Gregoireconsistent for those who are more liberal and more like liberal with their sexual views to push birth control that makes sense and for people who kind of crisscross those uh yeah I I just think they're logically inconsistent here we

Brian Atlashave a TTS Nate hey Brian first time TTS question for Mason would you f the oldest woman in the world or the hottest trans woman in the world and why yeah I'm not going to engage with that

Brian Atlasquestion no you can no the old no that's respectable no that's what I think uh really good setup for for Kiko here because that's I can already tell from

Mason Gregoirethe past few hours he communicates that his response regardless won't irritate me I don't engage with um vulgar questions it's it's like maybe maybe one

Mason Gregoireday down the road I would engage with that question with my wife but I don't like I don't put my sexuality out there for just anybody respect yeah that's

Kikorespect that's respectful even if godamn thank you Nate for the could say right now I would pick the hottest trans or the hottest oldest woman what ever the [ __ ] question would be I could

Kikojust tell though the way he phrases it is respectable it's all about communication and how you use your words I'll answer the question go for it I'll answer question little oldest woman why why got that

Kikodiaper on why why are we [ __ ] the CP keeper huh why cuz uh look I'm straight you're

Brian Atlasstraight I'm straight and it would not be straight yeah it would make you gay it would not be straight to have

Brian Atlassex with the hottest trans woman in the world okay it would be or wouldn't it be it would make him gay to sleep with the Trans woman it would not be straight to

Kikodo that okay would you rather sleep with the Megan Fox or Hulk Hogan is that no I was going to say would you rather sleep with the hottest transwoman in the world or a um

Kikostud like a hyper or actually sorry would you rather no no I got it I got it I got the question would you rather sleep with the hottest trans woman in the world or the hottest trans man in the world that man that man used to be a

Kikowoman though so he's a woman that's the question they present themselves as a man you know they are everything and a man [ __ ] still there [ __ ] still there no they're both they're both fully transitioned it's a fully transitioned woman transgender woman and a fully

Kikotransitioned male is it like that because you're saying it's gay for them to be straight can they give them a a that's that's almost that's that's a hypothetical that's a hypothetical that you guys love to play if they how do I I

Maya (split label)but bro hold on so you're saying I have to have so an with maybe you're putting it in I don't know no it's a you could be a top you could be top yeah it's a pen so I can't have you said have

Maya (split label)sex the transgender surgery they take the peen and they put it in inside No but she's saying trans Hott trans man or hottest trans woman yeah I can't have sex yeah I can't have sex with that so you're going to do the trans the trans

Alex (engaged)woman no you're giving me you're giving me like you're it's hypothetical yeah but you can't have sex if they have a penis yeah I'm kind of f if you have like if you surgically give them a

Brian Atlaspenis that to do with it yes it is it has nothing to do here the fair question is it's a trans woman who hasn't had bottom surgery and a trans man who hasn't had bottom surgery that's what

Brian Atlasyou want to do yes if I if I had to pick in this catastrophic hypothetical scenario yeah I'd pick the trans man okay between over the trans woman that's that's a funny image in my head but

Brian Atlasthank you I mean it's still it's technically still straight I guess well I actually hold on I actually don't think it's straight but like of the two it's cuz in

Kikomy opinion question gets phrased I'm envisioning a fully transitioned transgender woman like I'm envisioning the key to Dragon like down top the bottom so I just don't see how sleeping with someone who looks like Nikita

Kikodragon is gayer than sleeping with someone looks like young ma like why would you you're choosing to sleep with that woman cuz she has feminine attributes if you're choosing to sleep with young ma you're choosing to sleep

Brian Atlaswith her you look like a dude just say it Kiko say what just say that you are never mind I'm yeah what I'm trans we know I'm not trans no that's not what I was going to say that's not what I was going to say

Brian Atlasum taaye does have to leave here she let us know before the show that she's she does have to leave I want you know maybe there can be a Reconciliation here I would like you guys to exchange some

Kikofinal words here can I say something before I get it I get it being mad at me I've talked my [ __ ] I feel like you've talked your [ __ ] honestly if I'm being real I was doing most of the [ __ ] for Laughs that's why I am sitting up here laughing cuz I don't care this [ __ ] is

Kikonot that deep to me and like I said in the beginning I do agree with a lot of things you say I think you're a very smart bright grown woman not young woman but grown woman and I do agree with a lot of things you say we do disagree on

Kikosome stuff how we phrase things or Candice but I I agree with you on a lot of things and I have really nothing against you like I'm that's why I'm like laughing and giggling cuz I don't care like it's not that deep to me okay so

TaylorI'm glad you said that you did it for show I respect that a lot thank you you're welcome oh that's it I thought you guys were going to have another if she wants to say anything she for it I've got my word I have no beef with her as long as somebody can apologize and be grown about it there's no there's no

Taylorbeef oh okay I'm cool I'm not going to do anything I'm cool let it go after this how did how did you feel about her before the apology though what do you mean I didn't care for the stuff she did but like I said she said she apologize I got to let her go quit being a freaking

Brian Atlasinstigator bro shake your hand cuz I'm going to be out of here oh look at that thank you so much look at that all right there we go there we go than hey hey thank you for com the show on

Brian Atlasthat let's go home right uh actually wait do we have uh I think Maddie go ahead you take the seat Maddy's joining us Folks at the panel here we are getting into some more pre-show notes

Brian AtlasHere what was up okay what time is I got to go soon too bro no you don't shut up T I got wait can can I have you scoot the mic that way and then straighten it up my bad G all right cool um oh we were

Brian Atlasgoing I think I was asking you did is there anything anybody here disagrees with anything else she we pulled up the tweets but anything anything anything this is so much it's

Kikohard like to get where to start anything anything anything anything that women are responsible for our current sex

Brian Atlasculture we already talked about it kind of let's P twitch all right guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one

Brian Atlasalso follow the prime sub and the follow if you have one there you go okay fine how about I just throw out a couple things and then if you any of you want to bite actually wait really quick going around the table are your parents still

Maya (split label)together yes oh that's a hard question for me to answer so next no mineer my father passed away when I was

Maya (split label)18 months old sorry to hear that no no no dad's dead yes no Mother's

Brian Atlaspast okay all right all right I'm going to throw out some potential hot takes

Brian Atlashere any woman can be a [ __ ] very few men can be a [ __ ] any bites what does that mean any bites it means anyone can be a [ __ ] no any any woman

Maya (split label)can any woman can be a [ __ ] very few men can be a [ __ ] he's saying that women have easier access to sex than men do so they can make yeah because men easier like a promiscuous woman is more [ __ ]

Maya (split label)than a promiscuous man or like there's less give for a woman like her her her like leash is way shorter in terms of getting to that point of [ __ ] rather than a man

Brian Atlasyeah nobody no bites okay how about women don't need game or Riz you just have to show up facts I agree yep not for they easy like

Maya (split label)not for a high value question not for what a higher value man a high higher value man yeah you need game or Riz well I think well I think not being a dmat having intelligence that's not game or

Maya (split label)Riz there's highly intelligent men who have no game or R okay well I my like my love language is very like uh teasing and like flirtatious so like I would consider that my like gamer Riz but it's

Maya (split label)not like oh baby like let me slide in them DMS it's more of just how I flirt do you think being able to Banter while perhaps for some men could

Brian Atlasbe a pro do you think it's high on the totem pull of What Men really care about in a either a short-term casual encounter or a long-term relationship no but I do believe that men you

Maya (split label)know you might not agree with this but I think some of the best relationships and the best long-term relationships last when you guys are actually friends first rather than a man and a woman coming

Maya (split label)together in a relationship in these like traditional senses that we think of relationships I think it's actually more compatible when you guys are friends so if there is that kind of friendly banter

Maya (split label)then possibly not cerebrally he'll think that like that's high on the totem pool but when you actually get into you know the relationship and stuff I think stuff like that will help him stay longer

Maya (split label)rather than just being like a doormat that's just sitting there on the couch and not like saying anything or adding to any kind of

Avery Jennerconversation what okay uh okay cool word fisel no one agrees or dis wants to bite okay how about this I feel like

Avery Jennerbeing able to carry a conversation as a woman is kind of having Riz because sitting there and just being a little trophy is like sure you could do

Brian Atlasthat but I feel like that's not a longterm or sustainable how about this only traditional women deserve traditional

Maya (split label)treatment um I think society and reality is a little bit more nuanced than that but I mean at the end of the day yeah I mean if you're a man and you have Traditional Values then why would you

Brian Atlastreat a woman that's not traditional with Traditional Values okay like for example for

Brian Atlasexample say a woman does only fans but she wants a guy to pay for First Dates now I do actually think that even

Brian Atlasif a girl does do only fans there's so many SS out there and men are so ingrained to behave in this way that they're going to get they're going to get it anyways but if we're just having

Brian Atlasa analysis of this I don't think women who do only fans are deserving of the shiverers treatment because they're engaged in sex work so we have three girls who do only fans here do you guys

Mayacare to weigh in on that yeah I completely disagree just because you do only fans doesn't mean that the guy shouldn't pay for the first date like and only fans like I mean you don't have

Alex (engaged)to be having like so completely unrelated yeah it's 100% related so just because I do only fans means we should split the bill like that's not right

Alex (engaged)I'll answer that a man should pay either way even if she's a prostitute it's still woman even if she's a stripper PR a man so they that's their job they they

Brian Atlaspay so but is she a woman well why are you with her if you let me rephrase so what you're saying is it's because he's a man so he should be a gentleman but who is deserving of

Brian Atlasgentlemanly treatment wouldn't you say it's ladies what if she's not a lady doesn't mean you're not a lady if you're hold on hold on if you're engaged

Brian Atlasin if you're engaged in sex work you're not a lady not everyone like has sex only fans that guy says the patriarchy right here says tradition says tradition

Aurorawell that's your opinion tradition is not an opinion it is historical I wouldn't want to be with a man like you and I wouldn't be on a date with a man like you you don't want a traditional man that's fine well guess

Brian Atlasnot yeah I guess not apparently no they do they do want traditional men as the thing traditional mixed opinions of like or like whatever traditional not

Brian Atlastraditional like you don't have to be like strictly one or the other like right but don't you think doing sex work is pretty far down the road into being non-traditional like it's okay if the

Brian Atlasgirl like maybe she has I'm trying to think of like a slight way in which a woman could be not traditional maybe she's a little tatted up or I don't maybe she has a tattoo thought to like

Aurorabase my relationships based on if I'm traditional or if he's traditional or whatever never even thought of like that like at all but you said you would object to a guy not paying for the first date correct correct you want a guy to

Brian Atlaspay for the first date absolutely if the guy on the date said hey let's split would there not be a second date no there would not what about for you do you want guys to pay for First Dates I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure that's fine what do you mean you're not sure um like maybe I really I don't know if he didn't pay for the

Brian Atlasfirst date have you been on a a date I let's say a guy let's say a guy who you fancy I have and they've always paid okay would you if the guy put yourself

Brian Atlasback into those scenarios if the guy the waiter comes and he's like hey uh two checks please you wouldn't feel a little be a little bit cringed out I probably why would you be cringed out because I

Brian Atlaswhy would I be on a date with like a broke man like it's kind what if he's what if he's not broke a man should be able to provide and a woman shouldn't be a sex worker agreed I'm not having sex

Brian Atlasthen I guess we're not a perfect match no but sex worker is a sort of all-encompassing sort of term here you're selling your sexuality essentially you're digital prostitutes selling

Brian Atlassex look okay fine I'll just rephrase it I'll rephrase it then a lady shouldn't be on only fans with nude content okay well some probably won't be on a date with

Brian Atlasyou yeah but you're saying a guy should be a provider and Prov you're saying a guy should be a provider why if if that's okay for you to say why is it wrong for us to say women shouldn't be

Aurorayour op posting nude photographs of themselves on the internet for $4 ath completely agree like I don't well I don't agree but like that's your opinion I think that's totally fine just my opinion well whatever it is being traditional there's like an agreed upon

Brian Atlassense of what that is I know but a lot of guys would um pay for the first date and if they didn't it would be cringe that's what you said right yeah okay would

Brian Atlasthere be a second date if the guy if I really like them maybe yeah what if it was a medium amount of like medium um

Brian Atlasmaybe not probably not okay and what about you who should pay the man the man should pay well hold on but why is it

Brian Atlasokay for you guys to say well men should do X but I can't say women shouldn't do X um if I if I'm with a guy and he says he doesn't want me to do only fans then

Brian AtlasI completely would I would not do it I'd be all done with it okay but my point is I'm assuming you're not going to let a guy on the first date or before you even meet him call those kind of shots are you well if I was single I wouldn't be

Brian Atlasdoing only fans okay that's another conversation then but so let me ask you you guys a question then so why should men pay like make the actual argument why men should

Mayapay I feel like that's like their job like that's what's expected in today's society like it's not it's expected of what kind of men yeah it doesn't matter if you're traditional or not I'm I've

Brian Atlasbeen on dates with non-traditional guys that have paid that's true sure they'll still pay well but but that seems to be based in some sort of tradition yeah but they don't have to be fully like

Brian Atlastraditional but why should so you're you're 19 correct yes so and are you dating guys kind of around your age like 19 20 21 or are you dating older yeah I

Brian Atlasa little older old like 21 not okay do you think a 20 21 year-old's earning potential is substantially greater than

Aurorayours no probably still in college maybe yeah so why should a guy pay make the actual argument I wouldn't be on a date with someone that I don't want like a future

Aurorawith and like and I want to like wait okay I don't know how to put it into words just let me think just keep go just go back to her sorry I didn't mean to cut off I just think guys should like

Kikoprovide yeah they don't want traditional man they want a provider that's the only s of gentleman to pay I suppose you could be a gentleman either they don't want a gentleman dat with a traditional

Auroraman doesn't want me doing only fans then he should be paying and showing me that like he wants to provide for me doesn't want me doing what I do to make a living so he is what are you going to do

Mason Gregoiresomeone someone who's financially financially affluent is not going to make a bad investment therefore if he doesn't want to invest in a woman who is not going to be loyal to him do you see the contradiction there I mean it's not

Brian Atlasthat big of an investment it's like one date I know but just and like if you want to make a good impression and you really mess with the girl then you'll pay for her you know what would make a good first impression to the man is not to have your nude photographs online for

Kiko$5 a month they're not probably they're Nott they're Notting traditional men because if they were that's the that's the first point any traditional man wouldn't even take them on a date to begin with right so that's why they want provider this is what feminism this is

Kikowhat feminism is all about they're expecting that traditional treatment even though they're not I don't think they know what traditional means I agree yeah no but I find it I find it like you

Brian Atlasboth you're both modern women you're both modern women yet you're holding men to this gendered expectation that they be providers and P for you on the first date when you're not even willing to

Kikoreciprocate that sort of tradition back no cuz you you're looking at from the wrong standpoint they're not looking from because a a aspect of a traditional man is a provider right what's the aspect of a sugar daddy a provider that's more what they're looking for is

Kikoa permanent not I'm not saying you guys want sugar daddy I'm sure you guys want to be in love and all that stuff but that's the point that they want they want a provider cuz they are used to men giving them money for literally anything so why would they not expect their

Brian Atlaspartner to do the same that's a different thing I I don't look I agree that a guy could be a provider and not be a traditional guy absolutely but it's the expectation on the woman's part that

Brian Atlasoh well if he doesn't pay for the first date there's not going to be a second one it's a man's job to pay for the first date well it's a woman's job to not prostitute herself

Mayaonline okay well maybe if we go on a couple dates and you know and we eventually get in a relationship and you don't like that then I'll stop

Brian Atlasbut man but I just don't I don't get the whole like I'm a modern woman I'm I'm free like sexually free I can do only

Brian Atlasfans but I also want to hold men to this very narrow standard of what their gender roles are it's not even a narrow stum what their gender rules are they already have so many men who are

Kikothrowing money at them for literally doing nothing if they can't have if they have a partner who comes into their life and is like oh I'm not paying for dinner I'm not doing that she's going to be like why just get my Discord boyfriend to do it then I can just get this old

Kikoonly fans to tip me some money that's what that's what the problem is they are so used to it that they can't you can't expect them to date somebody who wouldn't do what a million strangers are already doing for them you're right I

Mason Gregoirethink that's the difference short-term Solutions but long-term problems yeah I would also agree with that but that's a whole different exactly conversation mhm cuz they're not getting traditional men

Auroralike that's stop it there like well I'm not looking for men in general I honestly I might be a feminist can't wait to be pregnant and start do all this okay not feminist but like I don't

Aurorareally want to depend on a man to like provide for me hold no no no no you just said if he wanted me to stop doing only fans then he should provide for me cuz why does he have to say if he's not providing for me like I can do what I

Brian Atlaswant said you're not looking for a guy to you you don't want to I don't want to depend on a man but expecting a man to pay for the first expecting a man to pay for the first date is literally you depending on okay but you're saying that I can't do

Brian Atlasonly fans if he wants to pay for the first date then okay then provide for me if you don't want me to do only fans my job but the expectation is a little uh

Alex (massage) / Kittylet's say unfair well that's life I have something to say a lot of some guys that do pay for

Alex (massage) / Kittymeals because they paid they also expect sex because they paid for a meal I'm not going to lie some occasions I've paid for my own food just so just to like not

Alex (massage) / Kittydeal with stuff so as much as women expecting that some men expect oh I paid for her meal now I want like you got to have sex with me like just some weird [ __ ] okay well I I think that expectation is weird but i' certainly

Brian Atlasagree with you that there's definitely men who will be who think that way not all not yeah not all but I think I think that's a bad way to look it's just like it's it's weird to me because it's like

Brian Atlashere's this gendered expectation on men which in my view is sort of a traditional gender role to be a provider to pay for First Dates it's like how are you going to

Kikohave that expectation on men but not like be the most modern type of woman possible because they're not because they are modern and they already have

Brian Atlaspeople who are willing to do it so why wouldn't they it's just like to me it's like well if you acknowledge that you're a modern woman just be like yeah I guess we could

Brian Atlassplit the bill no but they're still they're going after Modern Men that just happen to be providers right but there are modern men

Brian Atlaswho are also down to go 50/50 they are what's wrong with dating them what they want that's not what they want or right cuz feminism is a buffet you get to pick

Auroraand choose that which benefits you're like broke and like whatever but like right but you wouldn't dat a broke ey I I have dated a lot of broke guys but I think learned from all broke you just

Auroragot out high school I guess that's true yeah that's also a very big issue with this conversation right now know my point is that like if he wants me to not do only fans and wants to be traditional

Kikothen provide for me so I won't do only fans I think the issue is here men men talking to you has if you don't want your girl to do only fans don't date a girl who's on only fans cuz it will always remain an issue aged any man

Mason Gregoirewho's going to be willing to date someone who does only fans is like in the long run not going to be a good man well yeah I mean the reality is is a man that's more willing to want to date an a

Maya (split label)woman that does only fans is less likely to want to be he's going to be more likely to want to be like a 50-50 yeah yeah provider like he not not going to want later in the future yeah that then

Mason Gregoirethat's a generalization that's that's you know you're probably going to find more luck in dating if you were to date a more Modern Man or someone who is like hey let's go 5050 because that's the

Mason Gregoiretype of man that's going to be willing to put up with the only fans account you're it's it's like finding a unicorn to find some man who wants to be your provider but is also like a leader as

Maya (split label)well that's like it's an extreme contradiction so good luck finding the Unicorn it's probably not going to happen I mean and also the thing is a lot of men that do date you if you have

Mason Gregoirean only fans might be looking at you to be able to casat out themselves exactly they're they're the guys who are more likely going to be like hey if I pay for X many dates or one date she's going to put out because she puts out for all

Maya (split label)these other guys not just that but the courses that people like like take sales and stuff you know like it's literally on like pimping women you also have to take into account that the kind of men

Maddie (staff)that you're dat that you're dating around our age range are probably not making as much money as you are so it's a lot harder for them to definitely not provider yeah look if also like if I can

Brian Atlaskind of make it slightly political like if you're a woman and you consider yourself to have Progressive political values you're liberal you're Democrat it's crazy for you to want for a man to

Brian Atlaspay for the first dat I think that's crazy yeah like if you have Progressive social values you're not really Progressive if in like Society you want

Brian Atlasthings to be Progressive but you want to go back to patriarchy in your relationship that's crazy to me you got to be you got that you got to be across the board with that [ __ ] oh

Brian Atlasand then hold on wait actually hold on so just going around the table on this who do you think who do you think should pay for the first we'll just reiterate

Kikoit I don't think everybody answered man men most of the time men men the man men

Brian Atlasmen men have they asked medicon I was say man uh man wait and I'll we'll go around the table again but I start with a [ __ ] killo of cereal

TTS Donation Readerdonated $200 his end goal for seeking dates to ultimately procreate in a traditional sense start a family love have children

Kikoseeking a sugar daddy isn't traditional because it's a transactional relationship definitely but I don't know if that was to me the only reason why I brought up sugar dadding is because the men they're going to find that are

Kikowilling to provide for them in that sense are going to be closer to a sugar daddy than an actual partner I feel like there's like tons of guys that like will still pay for the

Aurorafirst dat and like will want to get to know us um I don't know that knows I'm glad it's working for you then I'm glad it's working out for doesn't have a problem with it I don't really even go on dates or like I don't have interest in even going on dates or like finding a

Aurorarelationship with a man because I've already been like before I even dead only fans like it's never worked out like men are just pieces of [ __ ] most of the time so I think that might

Kikobe erroneous erroneous attracted towards you might be pieces of [ __ ] because of the things that you are I said before thank you before only you were in high

Kikoschool so a lot of guys are pieces of [ __ ] in all of like yeah so you're tell you're telling me that like disagree that's a that's a sexist douch time besides college or High School the four years for a guy to be a Duan and be okay

Mason Gregoirewhat about women at that is a lot of them are [ __ ] to yeah I was a [ __ ] you're telling me that immature men are willing to say whatever they want to get you to sleep with them like they're willing to pay they're willing to say anything so okay I was I was in

Brian Atlasthe middle of a thing before the TTS came in so okay um so those of you you said you answered who should pay um just starting with

Brian Atlaswe'll start with you and then you uh you guys want to get married yeah does everybody just who wants to get married one day why well I mean I

Brian Atlasdo um so wait starting with you then you then we'll go around um will you take your husband's last

Kikoname um yeah is yeah of course I'm going to add it you're going to hyphenate well I'm not going to hyphenate I'm going to make my last name my middle name and then his

Kikolast name my last name I'd probably consider doing something like that too um the only reason is cuz it's half of my identity is my last name like you you can't even tell what race I am without my last name so I feel like that's a

Maya (split label)very big part of me and I don't want to lose it honestly if he had a cool last name though and it flowed with my first name like I I would I would not not hyphenate yeah it's also part of my

Kikoboyfriend has like the one of the most common last names in America so going from my unique ass last name that like tells you my race or my um nationality

Kikoor not ethnicity as soon as you hear it versus his I yeah no I I'm in the same boat yeah

Alex (massage) / Kittyyeah you but I also don't plan on getting married okay um I don't know if I want to get married but I'd probably like add it on ADD it so

Brian Atlashyphenate actually you know what I'd probably just take his last name cuz if I'm going to get married I'm going to assume it's going to last Madison what about you I would take his last name for sure all right hold on let me read this

Brian Atlasreally quick uh Devon Jackson Men Please take this as a sign to stop sing for these demons thank you Devon Jackson appreciate it uh

Brian Atlasokay well uh some of you I suppose are consistent a little bit on that front but we have a lot of women who come on the show you guys want this sort of traditional scenario with these these

Brian Atlasguys you want men to pay for first dates but don't want to take their last name so oh bless you charge

Brian Atlasup okay cool we have uh let's see uh let me see hold on oh makeup is a lie that's a good one

Kikoyou're cold no okay I said I have questions you have oh you have questions I have a lot of questions for like a lot of people at this table what you got go ahead I'll you first not you guys not you for you before when you go on dates

Kikowhen you're dating now do they know beforehand going into it what your um job title is or after y they know beforehand how do you everyone else yeah so do you are you usually so that means

Mayayou're meeting most men online and not organically um no some are through like mutual friends honestly and like I've met a couple guys organically that know from the start that I do only fans and they still want to take me out have you

Kikoever had to tell somebody before like hey I do only fans yeah and how do they usually react to that like okay like get your bread I guess like get your bread I guess how old are they like your age

Mayayeah okay like not a lot of guys like have a problem with like understand and are these the [ __ ] you're going after or are are they like simps those guys um honestly like I've dated and

Kikolike gone on dates with like all different kinds of guys so and none of them have had an issue with it no I've never so okay I'm happy for you I'm glad but statistically that doesn't even make

Kikosense so that means you must be pooling from a certain pool of men because like that's I'm happy like if you can find people and I'm I know there's men out there that are perfectly fine with it like there's girls who only fans who are

Kikoin long-term committed relationships um but I just I don't there has to be some correlation going on between like

Mayathe men you're meeting in choosing to date and like them accepting this I don't think I've gotten like far long enough to where that's been a discuss more like a first date and then like

Maddie (staff)yeah cuz I'm not going don't waste anyone's time like if I don't like you then yeah Fair fa would you guys be opposed to dating like one of your subscribers cuz they are going to give you everything that you want they're going to support your only fans they're

Kikogoing to be able to provide for you if I genuinely like liked them you yeah what about a guy on only fans who does only fans yeah

Kikoyeah yeah I feel like that's probably best I like yeah cuz stranger things have definitely

Kikohappened for sure and the way Society is progressing and the way options go there's every woman's on only fans yeah men are going to have to start courting

Kikoup with them but I don't know and you said more cuz your toxic relationship what got you into only fans at such a young age um I don't know just like

Kikothrough people talking to people you ask the same questions every time you think this is boring what you've been talking about for the last 3 hours has been boring for being real Bea and dead horse you said through people got you into it

Kikoyeah like your friends doing it so you just did it no it wasn't even that I had um mut your [Music] friend Kara why don't you read that it's crazy work to the man man take care of

Kikoprotect and provide for you and all he gets in return is I'm guessing kachow everyone has seen and you don't even take his last name they would take their last name be fair well put was just me would they

Kikoactually though that's the real I think they would take their that's the real question doubt it they stand by their words what if he has a bad last name do

Alex (engaged)you still take it then yeah either way my fiance bad last name basic mine isn't you're the one I real a bad last name you still take the bad last name of your

Mason Gregoirelike how bad like he was a directive sending of some political leader and his last name just happens to be Hitler what the

Kiko[ __ ] I don't know I'm definitely not damn that's an extreme I no hyen nothing we're changing to my last name actually both of us a whole

Aurorafamily that's extreme oh [ __ ] okay good times good times but I mean there's also like a lot a woman can provide like

Aurorabesides like money and like taking don't provide money um no no not like other than money cuz that's what like what the comment was just saying cuz that's what

Auroramen do whatever um like cooking cleaning take literally giving birth to their children like being pregnant for 9 months giving birth raising them and

Brian Atlaslike all that other stuff like why can't they provide money out of all that like you mean upfront what do you mean upfront as a deposit well it's like you got to think

Brian Atlasright like maybe it would make sense your argument would make sense that up front Okay so maybe your argument would make sense well down the road women have this you know this bigger burden of going through pregnancy

Brian Atlasand the physical things that that entails uh yes it's absolutely absolutely a burden there's certain health risks involved but the way dating

Brian Atlasis now is that you could end up dating a hundred men going on first date second dates third date with with all those men

Brian Atlasbefore you finally land on the one that you have children with so arguing that men should pay for First Dates because there's a possibility that you'll get pregnant maybe with this guy it's

Brian Atlasactually very low chance um I think is in today's day and age does make sense maybe in the back in the 50s when you went on you dated like

Brian Atlasthree dudes the third one you ended up marrying maybe but chicks be going on five dates a week you think you're going to have kids with all of them no but like why what's wrong with

Brian Atlaspaying for the first date like it's literally a one well you said well down the road there's a chance I might get pregnant so men should pay for first AIDS it's not like what I said well it's sort of your argument okay well I don't think it's I just don't think it's a

Brian Atlasgood argument though that wasn't my argument but given given the frequency of how often you people will go on first dates wait do you have you ever not paid for the first date I I I've paid for First Dates like have you ever not paid

Brian Atlasfor first date though you made it you made it oh yeah did they go prob I've probably not paid for more dates than I have paid for for did they go on another date with you yes well

Aurorathey know you're rich like you're you make money it's obvious you own this podcast or whatever okay but I also dat I've also dated before I started the podcast where probably wasn't as obvious

Maya (split label)or clear that well you can just be bullshitting but okay about what that about you went on so many days and didn't pay for do you think you're just picky are you just picky or like like

Brian Atlaswhy didn't you pay well as a true egalitarian we can split the

Brian Atlasand also here's the thing here's something no no no no ideology to cook for well hold on want traditional I'm adhering to the current you want a

Brian Atlasstatus quo hold on let me there's too many questions coming out at one time so I would say I've changed a little bit recently um so in more recently I've

Brian Atlasbeen more willing to pay for the first date but also my screening methods have changed quite dramatically um and also um certain other factors have changed but when I was making a little bit less

Auroramoney of course yeah I'd split I'd pay for my [ __ ] she pays for her [ __ ] even if you really liked her and saw a lot of potential yeah maybe did all of them go on second dat

Brian Atlaswith you no not all of them but I'll tell you this I'll tell you this a lot of the women I was dating back in the back in the day I would argue having you know living in California living in

Brian AtlasSanta Barbara most women here in Santa Barbara are liberal Progressive women or maybe they're moderate there's definitely not a lot of conservative women the univ CIA brings a lot of

Kikoconservatives with Santa Barb the university I'm sorry the university brings a lot of the Liberals yes but Santa Barbara is predominantly a conservative town without the university maybe like in their 40 residents of

Brian AtlasSanta Barbara who don't just go here for the University yies are super I think I mean like statistically like okay I'm I'm going to say women women who live in

Brian AtlasSanta Barbara in California between the age of 18 to 35 are super liberal I would say 18 to 22 but after that 22 Mark a lot of them get are conservative out here they're it's even worse once

Brian Atlasthey get into the corporate world they even they double down I mean the issue is the University and doctorates there are I don't know about that far I would yes they're in the court they're yuppies they work for the wokest company there's

Maya (split label)[ __ ] Apple out here there's Amazon out here I mean I went to UCLA I graduated in 2019 like I took sociology classes for GE they're 100% indoctrinating in

Maya (split label)the univers Indina statistics or like what gender studies that's a legitimate well you're taking gender studies content it's the

Maya (split label)content have that I have to the the content that's in the courses is very bias you sent me a gender stud no no no I'm talking took a history course in the

Kikohistory Department history bias in history abely I never experienced that here as a major is what I'm saying I've never I've had things but they were all statistic based we're just looking at

Maya (split label)Statics see that's the issue is like statistics is really easy to like skew and like P and like you know show what you want to show I just don't think I was ever in a history course or anthropology course or something like that and we were talking okay hold on

Brian Atlaswe're getting off topic here okay so to bring it back yes I was actually the vast short almost all the dates I was going on for the longest period of time yes I would split the bill is that why your ex-girlfriend didn't make you food

Kikowhen you were sick that might be a big reason it might be it's the women you are seeking out not necessarily but I will say this I will say this is

Brian Atlasthat you might lose some girls doing that but if a girl is I guess I don't know if the the word like tolerate is the right word she gets hung up on

Mason Gregoiresomething so like like you're the assumption is probably you will pay for dates down the road you're just not going to pay for the first date cuz you don't know exactly what you're getting so if she

Mason Gregoirecan't tolerate just like one maybe two dates where she pays 50/50 just so you can figure out if this is the kind of girl you want to be with like if she can't just Overlook that and focus in

Mason Gregoireokay I I don't like the fact that he's not going to pay but I want to figure out the rest of this guy is he a good man will he be able to survived for me down the road what are these all like

Mason Gregoireall these personalities like uh quirks that I want to know about before saying I don't care because he didn't pay for the first date it's a no from me dog to me it just says more of like it also

Kikodepends on the men your dating and their values and things like that but if I were single and if I were to go on a date with a man and he we split the bill at the end that's to me that's him signaling I'm not interested in you you

Brian Atlasknow great date great talk but I don't see this and then what if he follows up with you the next day and says I had a great time I'd like to meet you again mm and I and I ghost that's the thing well but you're

Kikosaying it's an indicator that he's not interested but what if his interest continues I would still be like wa how many girls are you taking out on dates that you're so interested in me you couldn't pay for our date cuz in the same respect though if I could tell by

Brian Atlasthe end of dude you're super Progressive Kiko you're super liberal why would that be an issue for the guy to not pay for the first in the middle you're super Progressive okay I I think like if

Aurorayou're taking me out you should pay if I ask you out then I I think that's like going you don't ask guys women don't ask guys out women don't ask men out okay that's like the whole point like then guys should pay for the Daye if they're

Kikoalways the ones asking us out well that's conven if I asked somebody out I would pay privileged position for you to since men want to be so dominant whatever like pay for the date I think if I thought the date wasn't going to go

Brian Atlaswell it wasn't going well I would ask this the build wait do you do you genuinely think that men wouldn't prefer if there was just a 100% reversal in the sexual Dynamics between men and women if

Brian Atlasit was just totally flipped where it was like girls like thirsting after dudes sliding into DMS you sliding into hundreds of well I don't know about that but like I wouldn't though you don't

Brian Atlasthink that men would take the trade instant that much about men well we know that but you like do you think that like men if if men wouldn't take the trade

Brian Atlasyou think they wouldn't like girls were just like wanting to [ __ ] them like crazy you wouldn't you don't think we would take we wouldn't take that trade y'all would still find something to complain about no we would take I would

Auroratake that trade if it would instantly put men in such a strong negotiating position what's that you guys already shame us for being [ __ ] all this like every single day for literally any little thing if we if you find out like

Aurorawe have a body count of like what like five like you guys will call us like I thought you were virgin no oh did you lie about that I am a virgin so what are you arguing about about what men say

Brian Atlasabout other women not just this is it's not this isn't even your what do you mean by that I'm arguing for other women not just myself well you're a virgin so why would you care about men's because you

Brian Atlasargument cuz you still cares how men like have a Viewpoint you still have an opinion on something it's just like men would instantly take the trait of women have to come to us we get to be the sexual selectors we get to pick among

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