Elon Musk WATCHES Whatever?! Andrew Wilson! HEATED DEBATE With Liberal Feminist?! | Dating Talk #140

Date: 2024-03-04
Duration: 6h 43m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_02Malik(guest)
SPEAKER_03Esme(guest)
SPEAKER_04Celeste(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella(guest)
SPEAKER_06Malia(guest)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Media/Clips(audience)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_12Celeste/Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_13Michaela(guest)
SPEAKER_14JoJo(guest)

Key Moments

00:00:10
QuoteBrian Atlas opens show, noting Elon Musk replied to a Whatever clip tweet.

welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast... we had a little love this weekend we had Ellen musk reply to a tweet that had our video in it

00:03:11
QuoteBrian shows the clip that got Elon Musk's reply: JoJo saying 'I don't think you can be sexist towards men and I don't think you can be racist towards white people'.

I don't think you can be sexist towards men and I don't think you can be racist towards white people... Elon Musk responded... somebody shared that it got 8 million views

00:08:59
QuoteAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible.

my name is Andrew Wilson I am the host of The One and Only Crucible one of the fastest growing debate channels on the internet

00:48:55
Key MomentMalia reveals she's been celibate for 1.5 years without specific reason, gets 20-30 Hinge likes/day but only accepts ~1.

I've been celibate for a year and a half not for any particular reason... usually on hinge I'll wake up with like 20 or 30 [likes]... I only like match with one

03:14:01
Key MomentRatings round begins: Brian asks everyone to self-rate looks on 1-10 scale.

Stiffler is very curious to ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you going around the table

03:16:24
QuoteAndrew Wilson sarcastically self-rates as a 10 on looks.

I'm a 10 for sure explain why there you have it

03:18:01
Key MomentBrian calls out JoJo's body count claim: she said body count doesn't matter but won't reveal it — implying it does matter.

I think body count matters so I'm not going to reveal it for that reason... that question tends to be asked in response to women saying that they think body count doesn't matter... but then they have a quite a bit of hesitation when it comes to revealing their own body count

03:18:21
Key MomentCeleste: story of 4-year on/off relationship with heroin addict begins. She met him at 21 when he claimed 2 years clean.

you dated a heroin addict on and off for four years... there were more than five times on and off... he relapsed on four separate occasions I honestly couldn't tell you if it was four or more there were five I think maybe was five six

03:28:04
Key MomentCeleste reveals she hid the heroin addict relationship from her family to protect his image in their eyes.

they didn't for four years this was going on on and off where this guy was taking heroin and he never told your folks... no... I was not telling my parents to protect his image

04:15:21
Key MomentJoJo argues women are oppressed in the US, citing Blizzard California lawsuit as example.

a big one is the whole blizzard case with the lawsuit with California... the state of California sued blizzard because of the unequal treatment of women in the workplace... same exact jobs same exact positions and they were getting paid way less than the men

04:15:30
Key MomentAndrew Wilson counters: Blizzard settled without admission of wrongdoing; filing a complaint doesn't prove guilt.

you can't just put forward a complaint and say that because a complaint was made that that means that therefore complaint was true... they admitted no wrongdoing according to this settlement

04:25:40
ControversyBrian reveals Google internal pay audit found they were overpaying women vs male counterparts, countering JoJo's pay gap argument.

Google did a review an internal review and found that they were actually overpaying women uh compared to their male counterparts

04:38:26
Key MomentJoJo cannot name a right that men have today that women do not. Brian presses this question.

what right does a man have in this country that a woman does not today

04:55:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson argues selective service / male draft is the clearest example of male-specific oppression that feminists never advocate against.

men can be pressed into selective service because nobody gives a about them... women can't... and yet they gripe on the opposite side about things that they consider to be oppressive to them when they will never have to make that ultimate sacrifice

06:11:30
QuoteEsme leaves the show early before body count round concludes, thanks everyone.

thank you for having me it was really nice to meet you guys... you weren't as scary as I thought you were going to be

06:11:50
Key MomentAndrew Wilson uses gamble analogy to get Esme to concede that body count correlates with loyalty: 1 woman with 1 partner for 19 years vs 1 woman with 19 partners over 19 years — which would you gamble on for loyalty?

if you had to gamble if you had to roll all of your dice on one which one would you say would be more likely to be more promiscuous... you're going to roll it on the person with the least body count which tells me that it matters

06:23:25
QuoteEpisode wrap-up; Brian thanks Andrew Wilson and the panel.

okay we're going to wrap up there guys long show long show... go subscribe to Andrew Wilson's The Crucible channel

Topics Discussed

00:00:10
Show intro and Elon Musk tweet reaction

Brian introduces the show from Santa Barbara. Notes Elon Musk replied to a Whatever clip tweet (got 8M views). Also mentions Trace Cyrus (Metro Station) shared the channel. Andrew Wilson joins remotely.

00:04:41
Guest introductions and relationship status

All guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Go around table on relationship status and longest relationships. JoJo: single 2yr, 1 relationship 4yr. Esme: divorced. Malia: single 2.5yr, celibate 1.5yr. Malik: single 2.5yr. Michaela: in relationship 2.5yr. Bella: in relationship since Oct. Celeste: in relationship since Oct, longest was on/off 4yr. Madison: in relationship 1.5yr. Andrew Wilson: married 10+ years.

00:23:20
Dating apps and Malia's dating experience

Discussion of dating app experiences. Malia: gets 20-30 Hinge likes/day but only matches ~1; was banned from apps for not responding; had 1 date in 4 months; prefers nerdy/gamer types. JoJo: only relationship was long-distance. Brian probes Malia on why she doesn't pursue dates.

00:53:20
Hypergamy and women dating up

Andrew Wilson and Brian argue that women hypergamously seek men with more resources. JoJo and others debate whether this is a generational trend. Discussion on whether women's financial independence is changing the dynamic. Andrew cites that hypergamy seems to be increasing not decreasing.

01:25:00
Should women date up: Andrew Wilson scenario

Andrew Wilson presents scenario: 25-year-old man choosing between hot 21-year-old and established 27-year-old. Discussion on what men vs women prioritize in partner selection. Brian cites statistics on men preferring beauty and motherly qualities; women preferring security and resources.

01:36:40
Dating patterns and relationship timelines

JoJo discusses her long-distance relationship. Esme discusses her marriage at 18, divorce at 28, and post-separation hookup culture experience. Discussion of modern dating apps and communication.

02:13:20
Partner preferences: looks, dating apps, nerdy guys

Brian asks each guest what they're looking for. Malia: nerdy/gamer guys, engineers, anime nerds. Brian notes Malia gets many matches but rarely accepts. Discussion of dating app rejection asymmetry between men and women (Hinge: 20-30 likes/day vs 1 match accepted).

03:12:10
Ratings round: self-rate looks 1-10

Brian asks guests to rate their looks. Malia: 6. Malik: 7. Andrew Wilson: sarcastically 10. JoJo: implied ~7 range. Celeste: ~7. Bella: 6.

03:14:01
Celeste: dating a heroin addict for 4 years

Brian addresses notes on Celeste's on/off 4-year relationship with a heroin addict. He relapsed 5-6 times; each relapse ended the 'on' phase. She never ended it — always his ghosting. Met when she was 21, he was 24 and claimed 2 years clean. She stayed because she saw more than the addiction. Hid relationship from family to protect his image. Others discuss rescuer/fixer mentality.

04:07:00
Feminism definition debate

Brian and Andrew argue feminism is female supremacy, not equality. Malik argues feminism is about equality; Brian says that's egalitarianism. Andrew distinguishes classic liberalism from feminism. Quick round: JoJo identifies as feminist (equity-based); others mostly do not. Malik says he is egalitarian.

04:15:00
Are women oppressed in the US: JoJo vs Andrew Wilson

JoJo argues women are oppressed, cites Blizzard California lawsuit (equal pay). Andrew and Brian challenge this: complaint not proof of guilt; settlement without admission of wrongdoing. Brian cites Google internal review found they were overpaying women. Debate on whether inequity = oppression. JoJo cannot name a right men have that women don't (in contemporary US).

04:40:00
Traditional vs feminist panel self-identification

Quick round: do you identify as feminist? JoJo: yes (equity definition). Others: no. Malik: egalitarian. Andrew declares if guests don't identify as feminist, they can be assessed by whether they're traditional.

04:50:00
Women in corporate settings and workplace oppression

JoJo brings Blizzard case again. Brian introduces Google's internal audit finding women were overpaid. Andrew and Brian challenge whether corporate incidents prove systemic oppression. 1970s sex work policing example from JoJo about prostitutes vs pimps.

05:00:00
WWII civilian death casualty statistics video

Brian or Andrew plays WWII casualty documentary video. Andrew argues men were primary victims even counting civilians, due to massacres targeting men. JoJo pushes back. Debate on whether military casualties vs civilian casualties shift the picture.

05:26:40
Selective Service and men's draft: is it oppression

Extended debate: Brian and Andrew argue men being subject to selective service while women are exempt is a form of male oppression. JoJo disputes this framing. Andrew: men can be pressed into service because society does not value them. Malik raises conscription as a counterpoint.

06:11:30
Esme departure and final discussion

Esme thanks the panel and leaves early (~6:10) before body count discussion concludes (3-hour drive home). Andrew compliments her articulation. Remaining panel continues discussion on body count, promiscuity, and relationship fitness.

06:11:40
Promiscuity, body count, and pair bonding

Going around the table on whether body count matters. Results: Celeste/Madison: 8 and 7. Bella/others: 5-6 range. JoJo: declined specific number, range above 30. Esme: doesn't care personally about body count. Andrew uses gamble analogy to get Esme to concede body count correlates with loyalty. Esme concedes gamble point but maintains she would not choose partner by body count alone.

06:24:45
Wrap-up and outro

Brian closes the show. Thanks Andrew Wilson and the panel. Plugs The Crucible channel. Madison reads TTS. Brian raids a WoW streamer on Twitch.

Transcript

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00:56:06
Celeste/Madisonresources than they have whereas men are not following that Trend AG I think women just naturally want the best so they're just going to select the best
00:56:17
Celeste/Madisondating options even if they are making a lot of money they're still going to want men who make more money than them so no matter what they're just going to select the man who has the most resources can I
00:56:27
Bellaadd something to that too I feel like a major Trend too is you have a lot of um why I would say more of like a subpart especially on social media Instagram Tik Tok those types of things where you have
00:56:38
Bellareally strong women and they'll talk a lot of game about you know I want a partner to match my lifestyle and so you'll see a lot of the women that are
00:56:48
Bellayou know part of that top percent tile of you know wealthy women or educated women whatever you would like to put it at as um kind of living that life with those types of men versus like okay well you know I found this guy in my little
00:57:01
BellaHometown even though I'm super wealthy and he's just a good guy but I'm going to give it a chance even though I'm kind of picking him up um I feel like you see the offset side of that more often than not right they're not dating down is
00:57:13
Andrew Wilsonwhat you're saying they're not dating down that's the whole and that's the whole point and that's kind of the the push for what is talked about when we're talking about hypergamy saying women aren't dating down Trends don't show
00:57:25
Andrew Wilsonthat they're dating down one of the big reasons that they say that they get divorced is because they no longer feel equally yolked they're just they don't date down generally and it's not always the case right you're right nothing exists in a monolith you can always
00:57:38
JoJopoint to exceptions but the exceptions are what make that rule true the statistics on divorces like 73% of divorces are initiated because of
00:57:48
Andrew Wilsoncheating what no a hug percentage that's incorrect it's due to irreconcilable differences cheating is number three on the list well that is one of the
00:58:00
Brian Atlasdifferences I don't understand what you're what your point is yeah what how is cheating involved they want to put on paper um cuz I mean the original thing was you objected to this idea that women
00:58:11
JoJotend to date up well I I was interjecting the point because he the statistics were like over 70% or or it's because of cheating that's what no let's assume it is though let's assume it is
00:58:22
Brian Atlashow is it relevant at all because of his initial point about what he just said about divorce that he but but the original conversation was about women women having a tendency to date up let's just
00:58:35
Andrew Wilsonoh I see I think I know what she's saying let me let me make sure I can get this just be as maximum charitable as I can be you're saying that you think that there's an alternative reason uh why divorces could be happening other than
00:58:47
JoJomen and women being equally yolked that's that's that's what you're saying that he brought up the point of divorce so I I read divorce statistic ICS recently because of the show it comes up
00:58:56
Andrew Wilsona lot yeah okay yeah but just just so you understand even if it were true that um let's say the number one reason that uh divorces were happening is because men cheat that's not true by the way but
00:59:09
Andrew Wilsoneven if it was that still wouldn't change the fact that men or that women tend to not date down and that in in the case of divorce even if I were to yield
00:59:20
JoJothat to you all of Trends would still show that women tend not to date down I think you made a made a good point about women getting more and more resources for themselves as they have more opportunities and I think that's why
00:59:32
JoJonewer Generations would probably show eventually that they there is more dating down because like you said if we're all in a pool that keeps trying to
00:59:42
Andrew Wilsondate up like I'm just confused how that would work as a society keep going up and up and up so that you know hang on I can explain this to you so that you know this is the big problem this is why the
00:59:53
Andrew Wilsonwhat is called the red pill exists is because of this Central keynote problem that you uh put in front of us right now which is what happens when there's only
01:00:03
Andrew Wilsona small amount of men who have enough resources to basically be above women in this respect well what happens is all of the women start competing for that small
01:00:14
Andrew Wilsonamount of men and if they can't get one by about age 30 or 34 they tend to settle down at that point and if they settle down at that point they can't have nearly as many children and
01:00:25
Andrew Wilsongenerally speaking they have lived a promiscuous lifestyle not always I'm just saying again we're talking in generalities and that's what happens that's why you have such a cultural societal Trend that is so messed up
01:00:37
Andrew Wilsonright now the the actual existence of what is considered the red pill on the dating Market is exactly a response to this question that you currently asked can I and kind of to piggyback on that
01:00:49
Bellatoo I feel like there was a segment on an episode a while ago um where the convers kind of came up where it was about um girls dating the hot guy or getting with him or him or
01:01:01
Bellawhatever and they he doesn't really have to do anything but the nice guy comes along and say he's just kind of average whatever she'll settle I guess you could
01:01:09
TTS/Donationssay because that Jin donated $100 with women dating up here's an example 50 Shades of Gray is only romantic because the guy is a
01:01:21
Andrew Wilsonbillionaire if he was living in a trailer it would be a Criminal Minds episode well put Jay well put I mean he's not he's not lying there was a movie years ago with Demi Moore called
01:01:34
Andrew WilsonIndecent Proposal anybody ever seen Indecent Proposal well there's yeah inside of the movie a rich billionaire approaches a married couple who wants to sleep with
01:01:43
Andrew Wilsonthe wife and so offers a million dollars to sleep with the wife what of course made the movie interesting is because again that was exploring this problem of
01:01:54
Andrew Wilsonwill will the woman trade up and in the movie she did in the movie she did trade up so yeah there's there's a little bit of wisdom to that Super Chat to be honest with you you add something really quick and then I'm going to chime in go
01:02:07
Bellayeah so what I was saying is it kind of relates to this almost because it's you have a lot of girls who will get with a really you know wealthy guy hot guy whatever whatever and obviously if she's
01:02:18
Bellanot up to his certain type of standard or maybe she's not yolked with him at that point um most of the time if she gets kind of kicked off or ghosted or whatever there's always that chance she
01:02:29
Bellafinds the guy who comes along who will pick her up just enough where it's she's not scraping by and she'll settle and I feel like that's kind of like I would
01:02:40
Bellasay her version of well I was dating up I'm dating up and then it's the settling point which I would say would lead to more like divorce rates cuz they're not happy they didn't essentially get what they wanted in the end so that's kind of from what I've seen from personal
01:02:54
Brian Atlasexperience of seeing those types of situations and the trends so wait to bring it back your position is essentially broadly speaking women are not really interested in dating up is
01:03:05
JoJothat like can you restate your position it was more that I think that's just not true like I don't think women what's true always I don't think they date up cuz in general I think newer
01:03:17
Andrew WilsonGenerations can I add let me ask you uh let me ask you a question if you don't mind the average age according to the US Census Bureau for marriage is
01:03:26
Andrew Wilsonapproximately 30.5 years old for women in general why do you think that is wait prioritize Discord I'm guessing you're GNA say
01:03:38
Andrew Wilsonbecause they tried to date up and it didn't work out right that's your point well whether it is or it isn't I'd like to hear why you think it is that women are getting married at 30 years old when
01:03:50
Andrew Wilsonuh clearly their fertility at that point is going to be drastically reduced in comparison to if they had gotten married when they were in their 20s why do you think they're waiting until they're in their 30s um well Trends are now showing
01:04:03
Andrew Wilsonthat's because they're now trying to focus on careers right so they're trying to focus on resources right yes okay so they feel like it
01:04:13
Andrew Wilsontakes x amount of time for them to have some kind of resources and safety net and things like this that they can fall back on and then they'll focus on getting married now do you think that
01:04:24
Andrew Wilsongenerally speaking women are marrying men who make more money than them or less money than them right now probably more probably
01:04:35
Andrew Wilsonmore so if if you were to put all of this together what would you say what would be your synopsis for why this phenomenon is happening now and it's never happened before in
01:04:48
Andrew Wilsonhistory what do you you're saying this has never happened before in history that that women dating up no no no it's never happened before in history where women are waiting till they're in their 30s on average to get married that's because they're getting more rights now
01:05:01
Andrew Wilsonand they're they're able to to well they've had rights they've had rights uh you know for 70 years and even then the trend still showed women were getting married when they were younger men on
01:05:13
Andrew Wilsonaverage get married when they're younger too so the question becomes really here why is it that women are waiting till they're in their 30s to get married well do you want to know what the responses from these surveys are for why they they say that they're waiting until they're
01:05:26
Andrew Wilsonin their 30s to get married what would you what do you think that they are if you had to guess because they're waiting for the right person well they also say they're waiting to find somebody who's equally yolked with them and has
01:05:38
Andrew WilsonFinancial stability and when they get married they're getting married to men generally who have more resources than they have so some that's not always the case right but they tend to settle when
01:05:50
Andrew Wilsonthey're in their 30s and in their 20s they're looking for uh these uh I don't know what you would call them the Omega Chad or whatever the you want to call it they seem to be looking for that and this is just what the data shows
01:06:02
Andrew Wilsonover and over again so I would actually like to to hear why you think what the alternative to this is in your mind why what is the alternative explanation to dating up what's the
01:06:14
JoJoalternative no to why women are waiting until so late in life yeah it's because like we were talking about there's more possibilities for women like we can look at like Asian fertility rates and things
01:06:26
Andrew Wilsonlike that the birth rate's going down as they are able to work more and more because they want to have a full career in right so there's more options for them until they get into their 30s and
01:06:38
Andrew Wilsonthen the options begin to narrow and so what do they do what do they do when those options begin to narrow in their 30s if they settle don't you think that's dating below them if they're
01:06:51
Andrew Wilsonsettling can be yeah but even then they tend to at least SLE with somebody who makes on par the amount of money they make or more than they make so again you say it's because the options right they have so many more options when they're
01:07:03
Andrew Wilsonyounger we to totally agree they have tons more options when they're younger they're looking through all of those options but when the options begin to narrow that seems to be when they settle right if I could jump in here too why do
01:07:15
Malikyou think women don't date up you even just said that women settle for someone who makes equivalent or below my point about the settling was in his mentality not dating up is
01:07:27
JoJosettling right so a lot of times if they can't what about your mentality well not if I'm dating someone who makes less than me if you're dating a broke eyy would you consider that settling no not
01:07:38
Maliknecessarily at all okay so do you think women in general though would wait tilt your mic down do you think women in
01:07:47
MalikG there you go do you think women in general if they dated men who could not financially provide for them would consider that settling as opposed to the
01:07:58
JoJoideal of dating someone who financially could take care of them which would be women dating upwards and that's why I think it's a more of a generational debate I think younger Generations start thinking no it's not settling but if we
01:08:11
Andrew Wilsonget into so you don't think modern women want to date men who can fin the average age of marriage is increasing it's not decreasing it's like so I don't so I just I don't understand did you figure
01:08:24
Andrew Wilsonout where it is that you're coming from here I CU I think I get the world viw I think I think I understand we start with the monolith you dismiss the monolith that's fair right we're talking in generalities here but you yourself
01:08:36
Andrew Wilsonaren't you on essentially the same path right you're going to wait until you're educated and you have uh you know something to fall back on possibly a good Nest Egg you're not in any Rush is
01:08:48
Andrew Wilsonit inconceivable to you that you yourself will end up being one of these women who probably gets married later in in life at 29331 no I completely see myself getting
01:08:58
Andrew Wilsonmarried way like way later than right so you're following the exact same Trend that most of them are you're exploring the options now if Mr Wright comes in before then and he's a you know
01:09:11
Andrew Wilsona football player with millions of dollars and wants to marry you that might change drastically your outlook little more no because it's not necessarily on him it's on me it's am am
01:09:22
Andrew WilsonI prepared for that that's what I'm asking you if Mr Wright came in tomorrow he was Rico swab and he had millions of dollars swept you off your feet wouldn't you drastically
01:09:32
Andrew Wilsonre-evaluate your situation I not at all I why would I depend on some millions of what if he leaves me like there's then what happens if he leaves you and he has millions of dollars and you're married
01:09:44
Andrew Wilsonto him what happens oh there could be there's definitely a prenup most people are somewhat smart about that I would say and it a lot of a lot of these millionaires surprisingly don't get prenups they don't get them the women
01:09:57
Andrew Wilsonconvince them not to get them and they don't get them so if a guy wasn't going to get a prenup with you had millions of dollars he Rico swab he sweeps you off your feet right this second what the hell would you ever have to work again for or rely on anything for would you
01:10:10
JoJowouldn't you go for it or would you still wait until your education was done I would 100% wait like I've dedicated so many years to my education what that would be such like a loss do you value
01:10:21
Michaeladifferent resources is that why you said know to if you dated a broke guy that wouldn't be dating down yeah I mean value them as a human more than their resources like if
01:10:33
Michaelathey're just a good person sure but in like your like do you plan on having kids yeah so in your grand scheme of your life do you I guess put finances at the bottom even though finances do go
01:10:45
Michaelainto a lot of having kids getting a house getting having a comfy lifestyle well I've always planned on working so like it's not really a concern to me if they're the
01:10:57
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01:11:31
Brian Atlasthis good comes back like this good here wait let me uh thank you sprinkler guy okay um let me have a little back and forth with you
01:11:42
Brian Atlashere for a little bit so um you mentioned one that you've been really focused on your education do you think that do you think that men F will find
01:11:54
Brian Atlasyou more attractive because of your educational achievement uh maybe depends what man okay okay I mean I was just going to make the point that generally speaking I
01:12:06
Brian Atlaswould say men are not like your career success or your ambition or your educational achievement it's not going to make you more attractive I smart men
01:12:16
Brian Atlasit might no not really suppose it depends on your definition of smart but uh I I don't think men that's really a
01:12:25
Celestebig part of the calculus when it comes to what men find attractive in a partner I have a question so in that case what would you say men do find attractive
01:12:36
Celestewhen looking for a partner when it comes to a woman's status as far as her like don't they don't care anything about status yeah Status is irrelevant like no work still lives with her parents in her
01:12:48
Brian Atlas20s that's preferable yeah that's preferable those are yes living if she lives with with her parents it's probably more likely that she's not well adjusted going out on the weekends
01:12:59
Esmedoing ho on the weekends I mean in general aren't men more willing to take care of somebody else other than women I I don't think that women would generally
01:13:10
EsmeI would say that you're more like an exemption right women are more like inclined to say no I don't want to take care of this person I want to like take care of myself but men in general are
01:13:23
Brian Atlasmore willing to say you know what you don't have a job let me take care of you they want to provide about that than a woman when when men start to make a lot of money they think oh great I can provide for my
01:13:36
Brian Atlaswife I can provide for my family I can provide for my kids what I've seen a lot with women is when they start making a lot of money they think I don't need a man yeah it's too very different
01:13:48
Andrew Wilsonperspectives I 100% well and let me let me follow up with this too Bo a little bit as of right now have you yourself
01:13:57
JoJofinancially supported any men like no I'm 25 years old well I mean but you've dated men I mean in 25 years yes he had he had to borrow money a lot
01:14:09
Andrew Wilsonyes you had to borrow money to what he did to what he did to do what to fly you out no just to live to live to live live life and you're okay with that so hold
01:14:21
Brian Atlason I think here I I've got a question for you so okay there's a female attorney who's 30 okay actually let's do 35 uh 35 year old
01:14:31
Brian Atlasfemale attorney 35-year-old male attorney okay uh which one do you think is more willing to date an attractive 25-year-old who works at the
01:14:46
MalikStarbucks oh gosh the man or the woman you know the answer Kirby know the answer yes a man yeah I do think why
01:15:01
Andrew Wilsonwhy I I don't want to say why I feel like hey why why would I think I'm generalizing by saying these statements I think I'm completely General statements he's just asking more likely
01:15:13
Andrew Wilsonthat is a general statement so who's more likely you say it's more likely it's going to be the man why think men more more often think with their penises I'm going to be
01:15:24
Brian Atlashow I don't I don't see how that's thinking with to penis want to be with a young like a young pretty woman no
01:15:33
TTS/Donationsit's we're having a your position is is that uh women actually don't date up Nickelodeon donated $100 what would be the difference in
01:15:44
TTS/Donationsyour life between dating and not dating someone over the next 5 years if it works you're happy if not still lonely I did the same thing BC health issues and regret
01:15:57
Brian Atlasit oh wow Nickelodeon what be the difference in your life between dating and not dating someone over the next five years is this for the whole panel or just for her if it works I don't
01:16:10
Esmereally get the question I don't either possibly like her not dating now versus her dating after she gets her degree and yeah Nickelodeon saying that she regrets waiting she regrets waiting um waiting
01:16:22
Andrew Wilsonokay over this this year course that's all I mean I had a boyfriend for some of it well no it's not it's not specifically so Nickelodeon
01:16:32
Andrew Wilsonsaying uh I've been in the situation where I waited and I wish I hadn't waited over the 5 years and so she's asking you specifically do you think that it's better to wait or not wait and
01:16:46
Esmewhat do you think the repercussions in your life will be as an entailment of that that's what the question is didn't they also talk about their own mental health if you don't date and you're in like a mentally they said heal that there's health issues now so I
01:16:58
Esmemean I would say that there's nothing wrong with you waiting right you have your own priority set right now that opinion might change later on and then there's always going to be Nick can you pull up the chart continue go ahead
01:17:09
Esmethere's always going to be like um repercussions for taking those actions although you're not interested in dating right now and you're focusing on in your career where there's nothing wrong with
01:17:20
Esmeit you'll be able to have you know you'll be able to financially support yourself and somebody else if you so choose to but the uh the range of men
01:17:31
Esmethat might be available to you is going to going to be significantly smaller with every year that goes by can you pull up the chart but I mean if if you feel like the
01:17:41
Esmereward afterwards which would be like what you guys might consider a high valued man who makes a good living is good to you and treats you well if that's a good good enough reward and
01:17:54
Esmeit's like worth the wait then there's there's nothing bad with it you just have to keep in mind that there's going to be repercussions to waiting I don't think there's repercussions people get divorced all the time like the divorce rates like 50% it's like but you can
01:18:06
JoJochoose to not get divorced and stay in a relationship and fight for it well no I'm saying at me I'm not saying like I'm getting married and then get divorced I'm saying like in the dating pool is
01:18:17
Malikit's funny right it's infographics folder I I think I understand what uh was the donator nick Nickelodean
01:18:27
MalikNickelodeon uh because I personally I'm going on my fourth year of being single um not really going on dates talking talking to guys because I want to focus on my career um and just working on myself as a person I also was going
01:18:40
Malikthrough health issues and just wanted to put dating completely on the back burner and now I'm 24 years old and I don't necessarily regret that but I am at a point where I'm thinking it wouldn't have been a bad idea to to start looking
01:18:54
Malikaround or maybe dating around when I was a little younger because um I do want to have children and settle on at some point and already being 24 I've I've only got like three is more years to
01:19:06
Malikfind someone if I want to start having children and get married young still so I I understand what they're saying about regretting staying single for so long um but I I don't have regrets I'm happy do you have the chart okay so I don't know if this is
01:19:19
Brian Atlaswhat you're kind of referencing this we've brought this chart up before hypergamy whom men would happily partner with you have on the left and then on the right whom women would happily partner up with
01:19:30
Brian Atlasso men are pretty content and very willing to partner up with women who are their equivalents but typically what you have happening is women are chasing after like the top percentage of
01:19:45
Brian Atlasmen you want me to okay sorry to add to this uh I find I was just do you agree you disagree with this chart you think this is actually no the one on the left
01:19:53
Brian Atlasis actually would be representative of both men and women this graphic is crazy like men Ching women hold on let's let's use an example from your dear friend
01:20:05
Brian Atlasover here who you live with she's currently on the dating app and she says she gets 30 likes a day but she only likes one of them sometimes per day so
01:20:15
Brian Atlaswhat uh what percentage is that 3% I can also she only finds 3% of the of the men who like her so she's pre that she's not like sending
01:20:26
Brian Atlasuh likes out she's picking this is on hinge she's picking from the men who've already shown a demonstrated interest in her so if she was so inclined all of those guys she could probably like
01:20:38
Bellathat night if she wanted to and I I can even say from personal experience like being on Tinder prior to my relationship I had about say about 3,000 likes or so
01:20:49
Bellain that range um well it's Vegas so it's a little different you got me girl um but like even then like I can honestly and openly say like I definitely was
01:20:59
Bellavery choosy like I didn't go after a guy who like I I would read bios I wasn't like going based off of looks but I would definitely like see like okay is this guy even really worth my time
01:21:11
Bellaespecially where where I was at cuz I was a student I was getting my education I was taking care of my parents working doing the whole shebang at a younger age and I was like okay I'm looking for somebody within my age range even older
01:21:22
Bellais this worth my time like is this person worth my time and I you know was again doing that 3% thing where I may be picking like out of 100 that day I'm so
01:21:33
TTS/Donationsglad I'm not dating donated $100 ID GF about my wife's education none or career she's a hyper smart
01:21:42
TTS/DonationsMother crazy about our kids my belly and my baby gravy in turn I motivated to make her happy through my labor SL protection yo I'm so yeah and this
01:21:53
Andrew Wilsondoesn't surprise me at all right so the the super chatter here saying he doesn't give a about any of that and why would he she's providing the best possible function for him that he could imagine which is that when he comes home
01:22:05
Andrew Wilsonhis kids are clean they're fed they're well taken care of that's what he cares about I don't blame him like that's what else could you ever want you know what I mean that's a great what a great life
01:22:17
Michaelathen that's that's what that chatter there is saying so don't want to cut do you think the disc connect is that you seem like the provider type like you seem like you want to be the provider in the or in your future relationship what
01:22:30
Michaelado you mean the disconnect like I guess you're or maybe not disconnect but like the back and forth it seems like we're talking about generalization like you and Andrew but you seem like you want to
01:22:41
Michaelaprovide for your partner and the general um opinion is like oh a woman is looking for a provider when she gets pregnant 9 months someone needs to financially provide for her so if you go with or if
01:22:53
Michaelayou date down or date a broke guy how is he going to provide for you for that for when you're pregnant if you do want kids like do you see yourself as a
01:23:02
Michaelaprovider in a relationship yeah of course uh but um is that your preference do you want to be the provider in a relationship the the like cuz you said the stay-at-home dad thing which is
01:23:13
Michaelacompletely valid but I guess how would in your mind I'm just curious of how you think it would work in the future when you are pregnant at home and you like would you save up all that money and only you or would he go to work for
01:23:25
JoJothose 9 months well there's maternity leave where mhm you still get paid so in general you're still okay with being the provider oh I'm I'm just uh a little confused by the 9mon comment because you're working and I know I know like
01:23:38
Michaela9mon are like when you want to stay home for your kids I mean in the field that you want to go to like are you guaranteed maternally leave for all that time you know what I mean I I'm not 100%
01:23:49
JoJoon this but I'm pretty sure that there is regulations in most of the employment field where with maternity leave aside from the regulations that completely completely and totally depends and
01:24:00
Andrew Wilsonsometimes it's not uh paid maternity leave so maybe they'll give you the time off but that doesn't mean that you're getting a paycheck while you have the time off so no it completely depends on what your employer and you have agreed
01:24:13
Andrew Wilsonto beforehand um so you know diving into this it would be instead of kind of pivoting over to what about maternity leave though you may not qualify for paid maternity leave so kind of diving
01:24:25
JoJoback into her question I'd like to know what the answer to it is um well I would hope that I am somewhat responsible in in a period of my life where I have enough saved then
01:24:38
Michaelabut why is it all on you because again I I understand your point of like if you want to be the bread Warner that's fine you don't have to fall into the generalization but I guess me personally I'm more of like a it's probably not the right word but equalist of like Hey
01:24:50
Michaelawe're both going to work equally to to do this or save up or whatever so I guess in your like don't mind if he's a stay-at home Dad how would that work I'm just curious well I was saying I don't mind I
01:25:03
JoJowouldn't mind if they worked either like that's I don't know who my potential partner in the future is going to be so I can't dictate like what I would necessarily I'm not choosing for I'm only looking for stay-at-home dads or
01:25:14
JoJoI'm only looking for someone who makes this amount of money but like in that reality I don't think it's um I think it's becoming more and more common and for a stay-at-home dad like in the 9 months like he can help around the house
01:25:27
Brian Atlashe can help more with the the baby like I can do remote work like hold on wait okay I got a question here okay so going around the table on
01:25:34
JoJothis who should pay on the first date starting with you um I I I don't really care I I feel like I usually owe
01:25:45
JoJothem if they I mean I've only been on one date who am I kidding so like did did he pay did he pay on that date yeah but then I paid for other
01:25:56
JoJothings because I I don't like owing people money and if if I'm not pursuing a relationship I feel like weird about having other people pay for me what were
01:26:06
Brian Atlasthe other things you paid for like I I cooked you paid you paid for food that you cooked for them is that what you mean yeah ingredients so okay the the reason I I asked the question is because
01:26:18
Brian Atlasyou said stay-at-home dads are what becoming like you'd be cool with that she said they're could becoming like more common I think
01:26:29
Brian Atlasnormalized more so as a guy let's say I'm like I hop on a dating app right now and I go on the dating app with the same expectation that a lot of women have that the woman well the women's
01:26:41
Brian Atlasexpectations generally speaking not all the time is the guy should pay for the first date okay now in what world can I ever hop on a dating app where my expectation is she's going to pay for
01:26:52
Brian Atlasthe first dat the best I can maybe get is to split there's never a world where I can ever go on a date with girl and ant
01:27:02
Brian Atlasanticipate or expect or feel entitled to her paying for the first date yeah I I agree with that I think a lot of people have like would that be a losing strategy for me to expect to go
01:27:14
Brian Atlason a first date and expect the girl to pay she pays for me and herself I think it you should go in with the mindset at least I'm paying
01:27:25
Brian Atlas5050 do is that how you think women go in to dates generally speaking I I'm expecting I could pay the split but it's
01:27:35
Brian Atlasprobably like split between like 5050 or the guy is going to pay but it's almost never I'm going to pay for the date I I don't know what to expect what if their card gets declined this is so ridiculous
01:27:46
Andrew Wilsonlook let's dive into this let's let's make this super easy because essentially just pretending you have no stand standards and nobody believes you literally nobody believes that this is true at all I didn't say I didn't have
01:27:58
Andrew Wilsonstandards let's calm down here well I mean well then you have to stop pretending that you don't because you seem to always want to point towards an exception or an outlier right so Brian
01:28:07
Andrew Wilsonask simply he's saying do you think it's a good strategy to go on a dating app with the expectation that the woman's going to pay for you or that it's even going to be a 50/50 split does that even
01:28:19
Andrew Wilsonseem like a reasonable strategy for the average guy to go into a dating app app considering does that even seem reasonable to you honestly I don't think that's reasonable for the woman or the
01:28:30
Andrew Wilsonman to expect that yeah I okay but who do you think why would it not be reasonable for the woman to expect that to expect that the man's going to just completely pay for a date yeah since they always do like why would that be
01:28:43
Andrew Wilsonunreasonable for woman to expect that considering that they always do that I I just that's a lot of trust in other other humans what do you mean what do you mean trust
01:28:55
Andrew Wilsonthey just be like hey pick me up at you know six and you're paying that it's it's not even complex is it but a card can get declined that was my point like things can happen there are other okay
01:29:06
Andrew Wilsonso you bring so you bring your oops this guy's a bum wallet with you right but that aside for the most part it seems like how is it possible that you won't concede that it's a viable strategy for
01:29:18
JoJoa woman to go in to dating with the expectation of man will pay for everything but it's really not a viable strategy for a man does that doesn't seem ridiculous to you that I'm saying
01:29:30
Andrew Wilsonthat I don't I just don't trust humans in general is my point like I don't think anyone should expect yeah but it's not about you and your preferences or your trust it's asking you a question about how the interpersonal Dynamics
01:29:42
Andrew Wilsonbetween men and women and the question remains is it a more viable strategy for women to have the expectation that men will pay for dates or is it more viable that the expectation men should have is
01:29:53
Esmethat women will pay for dates honestly in general sure agree I think that they're trying to
01:30:03
Esmelike make you feel like um how can how can you word it like cuz you were saying that women don't date up right or that your belief is that women don't now
01:30:13
Esmedon't date up and that it all sounds like they're trying to tell you no they do date up they only date up because they do I mean yeah I mean in general they they
01:30:24
Esmedo and I think that you have your own personal belief but there's like a generalized concept of like women and men going on dates and Men paying for
01:30:34
Esmethe first date in general just a social convention or social whatever so like if someone if someone's on a dating app and you're like if I'm a man and I'm hitting
01:30:46
Esmeon this woman and then we decide to go on a date technically like 80% of the time I'm just throwing a random number out there 80% of the time the man is going to be expected to pay for the date
01:30:58
JoJoso that's more of like a generalized but do you think if the woman offers to like oh I I can take like I let's go to on a date or go to a date for you think they'll pay then for
01:31:10
TTS/Donationsif I ask somebody to go on a date I'm paying yeah grid One Motorsports donated $100 I realize it is asking a lot but can we get the Dollar Tree strip back
01:31:22
TTS/Donationssomewhere close to reality we all know she has never actually paid for a date and dates men based on the wallet be better Dollar Tree stripper uh thank you grid One Motorsports appreciate it um
01:31:35
Andrew Wilsonwho's the Dollar Tree stripper I'm going to guess me but I've only been on one date so like what is he going to you're not Dollar Tree you're higher than that wait yeah so then he was so then he was right though he's not not about the
01:31:48
Andrew WilsonDollar Tree not about the Dollar Tree thing but he right when he said that uh you've never paid for a date in your life no I have actually with my ex-boyfriend we went on lots of dates
01:31:58
Andrew Wilsonwait wait no no no you said that uh you on your you've only ever been on one date that's your words one date outside of that's one then he can't say and also I went on these other dates outside of
01:32:11
Andrew Wilsonthis one date because that wouldn't make any sense so you went on one date and on the one date you didn't pay so grid one said you've never paid for a date in your life he's right outside of my ex
01:32:22
JoJoyes correct so you've been on more than one date then I've been only on a random date with a random person once right I was already dating my boyfriend when we went
01:32:33
Andrew Wilsonon dates and you didn't pay for that date right I've uh the one date NOP I didn't right so then I offered if so facto the logic here is all the dates that you consider dates that you've ever
01:32:45
JoJobeen on you've never paid for any of them yep 100% 100% success rate oh 100% the one the one success rate I I have a saying the chatter was right that's all
01:32:55
Brian Atlasof course I have a scenario here I have a scenario here so okay your position is that generally speaking women really aren't dating up is that correct it's the general statement that's your
01:33:06
Brian Atlasposition okay so let's do a scenario so you have a high status individual okay uh let's I'm trying to think I'm trying
01:33:16
Brian Atlasto think of an actual celebrity example I could give let's say you have
01:33:24
Maliayou were talking about him today yeah I'm trying to think of like who's a dude that a lot of women like Leonardo DiCaprio Johnny oh Jacobi don't people
01:33:37
Brian Atlaslike oh there you go uh let's just say like a famous musician famous actor whatever he's in a bar Drake okay we can use Drake we'll use Drake he's got that snake uh
01:33:49
Brian AtlasDrake is okay sorry Drake's in the bar Drake's Drake's in the bar and there's a bunch of women in the bar and there's a bunch of there's like
01:34:01
Brian Atlas21-year-old really attractive nobody women in the bar and then there's like a 33-year-old average woman
01:34:11
Brian Atlaswho's very successful and maybe she's got a bit of status herself maybe she's also uh you know a singer or something and you know she's had a couple hits herself
01:34:22
JoJouh who do you think that he's going to go after to sleep with anything dating sleeping dating having a relationship well I think relationship
01:34:33
JoJowise it depends cuz you you see his past relationships if you want to pull up actual him and he dated does he date like IG model and he dates singers yeah
01:34:45
Malikusually IG but men generally only care if a woman is attractive and has good motherly qualities whereas oh sister sorry go ahead go ahead I'll continue where women typically want to be taken
01:34:56
Malikcare of by their man which is why they dat up because they want that security and they want the financial responsibility that if they do have kids or if they're N9 months pregnant they're not going to have to worry about that
01:35:07
Malikand they have security both financially and just overall and that's why women typically date up and I think you are an outliar but to say generally women think like you I think is completely wrong
01:35:20
Bellawell I was saying yeah younger Generations could be different I don't think no it's worse in the younger Generations it's worse I feel like it's more trendy to date up especially on everything else you're not dating intentionally right now right because
01:35:31
Celeste/Madisonyou're focusing on your career what I think is that a lot of modern women are moving that way because they're either going to date up or not date at all because they want to focus on whatever
01:35:42
Brian Atlasthey're doing get their bag or whatever okay so actually I I made an error in presenting this scenario so the scenario is not this the scenario is actually
01:35:50
Brian Atlasfrom the perspective perspective of the the uh interested perhaps interested individual so let's say you have a uh
01:36:02
Brian AtlasI'm trying to think here let's say you okay you have a 25-year-old guy and he has a choice of going after the really hot 21-year-old
01:36:14
Brian Atlasgirl in the bar okay who's got no following on Instagram but she's really attractive or there's a 30 three-year-old I don't know who's
01:36:25
Brian AtlasRihanna okay Rihanna sure okay he's going for Rihanna who he not crazy no there's not going to be a bunch
01:36:36
Brian Atlasof dudes like wanting to get at Rihanna if there's like more physically attractive women in that environment however if you place women in that same
01:36:46
Brian Atlasenvironment and there's just like a 21-year-old attractive guy vers versus a 33-year-old average looking woman who has a who's rich and has a bunch of
01:36:58
Brian Atlasstatus they're not going to all like oh yeah I really want to like sleep with her and date her no they're going to gravitate towards the younger attractive
01:37:08
JoJowomen I aren't you also who have no status but then we that's more of the actual idea of like Fame and like the fake image of Fame and right dating up
01:37:18
Andrew Wilsonstatus and that status can be so status is status doesn't need to be Fame right you can have there's other ways that men can achieve status maybe they have
01:37:29
Andrew Wilsonstatus in their work or something like this uh maybe they just have tons of cash but not not be what you would consider uh traditionally famous so that's all that's being stated as a
01:37:41
Andrew Wilsonfollow-up as a follow-up question here too I'd like to ask you uh you do plan on at some point getting married I'm guessing or no yep okay okay are you
01:37:52
Andrew Wilsonplanning then since you have this career on having your children be babysat by babysitters or do you plan on staying
01:38:00
Andrew Wilsonhome and taking care of your of your kids um I my family can help yeah that doesn't I mean that's just dumping them with somebody else right are you planning on staying home
01:38:13
JoJowith them or not no you're not you're not planning on staying home with your kids no I think weing a 9 to5 and coming home after and do you do you think that it's
01:38:25
Andrew Wilsonoptimal for kids that they don't have a stay-at-home mom or that they do have a stay-at-home mom optimal I think either could work I I didn't didn't ask if either could work I asked which one you
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Andrew WilsonSS um yeah which thing do you think is more optimal for the for the children optimal for the children well optimal is both parents stay at home who's paying
01:39:06
JoJothe bills that's not the most though like I I don't I don't get that question like in a realistic scenario not so so instead of giving a dishonest answer give an honest answer uh one parent is
01:39:19
Andrew Wilsongoing to have to work there's no way around that that generally right but two parents don't have to work again generally in that situation do you think
01:39:30
Andrew Wilsonthat it's optimal if one parent does not have to work uh to choose to work when they could stay at home with their kids do I think it's
01:39:42
JoJooptimal that this is such a loaded question because you're saying if you had to choose one if you had to there's always going to be one if you do you love your mom or dad more
01:39:55
Andrew Wilsonit's not who you choose now hang on um when we dive into this so I'll answer your question first okay love my dad more does that make you
01:40:06
Andrew Wilsonfeel better now that's czy to to for to you can you actually answer my question I don't think it's optimal no you you think it's you don't think which thing
01:40:17
JoJois optimal I do not think a mom's staying at home is optimal really so what is
01:40:26
JoJooptimal I think opt see that's the thing I think optimal is depending situation you think that strangers raising your children is optimal why are we assuming that
01:40:38
JoJostraight like both my parents worked growing up I don't care what you say if you're like oh makes sense there's there's after school programs there's things and then you go home you see your parents perfect amount
01:40:51
Andrew Wilsonof time you see them all the time perfect amount of time what would be your frame of reference to make the determination that was a perfect amount of time wouldn't it have been better if your if your mom had stayed home with
01:41:01
JoJoyou not necessarily I I love to see where my mom is in life I love to see her success no for you not for her for you yeah for me it's a great role model I
01:41:13
JoJolike looking up to my mom so I think yes it was optimal for me so you can't actually say right now now right this second in front of everybody that you
01:41:25
Andrew Wilsonactually believe that it's not optimal to have a mom stay at home with her children I just want that reaffirmed this that's why I said it's a loaded question I think it's determined it's
01:41:36
JoJonot loaded it depends on the household but I the reason I'm saying it's not optal if you give me the choice of two yes or no I'm saying no okay well then let's get hyp specific because otherwise
01:41:48
Andrew Wilsonyou'll make the old claim that it's get loaded you have two parents in the household one makes enough money where the other one doesn't have to work but they won't be able to do all their
01:42:00
JoJovacations and Funtime and stuff like this but the mom can stay home with the kids should she and I'm going to give a direct example my parents my dad was
01:42:11
JoJowell off where my mom did not have to work but she chose to and I what so question wait you're you're and that
01:42:21
Andrew Wilsonoptimal that was optimal yes your your dad and and so if you were to take all of the research cuz you like research that's been done on this topic showing
01:42:32
Andrew Wilsonwhether or not the outcomes for children who are in a home where they have a present parent uh which outcomes are better for children but what do you mean present parent cuz she was very present
01:42:43
Andrew Wilsonit's just you had to stay at home with the children I'm sorry stay at home with the children versus babysitters and Outsourcing child Child Care the mom stays home which outcomes for the children generally are better with or
01:42:56
Andrew Wilsonwithout the stay at home you're acting like they're sleeping in the office they're they're which or which ones are generally better for the children which ones having a parent figure around or
01:43:07
Andrew Wilsonnot having a parent figure around no that's not my question out of these two the these two summarizations one you have a mom who stays at home too you do not that's it those two things there
01:43:19
Andrew Wilsoncan't be both right just one or the other the outcomes for the children in those situations do better under which
01:43:27
Andrew Wilsonmodel the mom staying home right the mom staying home so wouldn't that then if you thought that you wanted the best outcomes for children lead your logic
01:43:38
Andrew Wilsoninto the belief that if the Mom can stay home she should not necessarily cuz in my like I
01:43:47
Michaelasaid in my case in general in general you say there has been like stats of that when a child or children have their mother figure specifically present especially in the first years of life
01:44:00
Michaelaand I get it like you're saying 9 to 5 come home okay great but like I'm talking like around the clock for those first couple of years or I don't know what the exact statistic was but they
01:44:09
Michaelahave way less like um mental issues and just in general they are better off when they grow up to have that I forget what it's called but like when a mother gives birth to their child that Bond or
01:44:22
Michaelawhatever like that touch atten that mental bond that keeps going through their first one year two years whatever um and to not have that or to have that
01:44:32
Michaelabe lesser could negatively impact them so I'm saying I or I think he's saying statistically I think it's optimal for the woman to be home or the mother okay
01:44:42
Brian Atlasso hold on so can you tell us a little bit of details and then we're going to move on we've lingered way too long so your dad was well
01:44:54
TTS/Donationsoff nion donated $100 apparently dad was only communicating with the nanny which is why JoJo doesn't know how to communicate with men you still think Mom was a good
01:45:06
JoJorole model that's hard do you want to respond to it I I don't know how to talk to people I agree
01:45:16
TTS/Donationsit's wholeheartedly all right we have I'm just I do have a C for her hold on hold on we have another one coming in hold on grid One Motorsports donated
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TTS/Donations$100 men are proven better at child rearing but they are also better providers so the best case is the mom stays home and does what the dad says when it comes to the children the
01:45:39
Brian Atlaspatriarchy is here for you Bas I just love grid One Motorsports by got to be my favorite chatter to this place oh he's super based super based wait okay
01:45:49
Brian Atlasso my question for you is you said your dad was well off what are we talking here what do you mean what do we when you say well off like it sounds like
01:45:59
Brian Atlasyour mom didn't have to work mhm but she chose to anyway yeah did you have did you have to pay for or did they have to pay for uh child care
01:46:12
Brian Atlasso that she could go to work yeah we had babysitters after school programs even though she didn't have to work mhm how much was she making do you know oh she's a lawyer I'll just she's a
01:46:22
JoJolawyer what and your dad I assume is he's well off I'll just say that is he business owner or uh he yeah business corporate stuff he earned more than your mom yeah well hold on you have an EV you
01:46:36
Brian Atlashave you have an example in your own life of a woman dating up but he wasn't up he wasn't up when they met huh he wasn't up when they met he was like she married him right they were they High
01:46:48
JoJoSchool sweethearts but he was like High School Dropout pretty much so what would you say then they got married and he was like a high school dropout okay so she married down in
01:46:59
Brian Atlasmaybe she saw she saw the potential that's crazy she saw the potential in any case the man she ended up with and married to uh was so well off that he
01:47:09
Brian Atlascould have an attorney oh stay at home you don't need to go make six figures but she chose to anyways yeah she chose to seven configure your type of dude I
01:47:22
Brian Atlasfeel like I shouldn't release that information wait are you I have a question are you uh politically how do you consider yourself now what do you think I am I don't know are you I'm I'm trying to see if you're like a social
01:47:33
Andrew Wilsonthat you're a social Progressive as much of a social Progressive as you can get even if you don't think you are that's what I would say what are you
01:47:42
JoJopolitically I'm more to the left yes are you socialist I would say I'm more of a capist more a yeah she's a she's a social Progressive so she's a social
01:47:54
Andrew Wilsonleftist basically these are called status quo progressives though yeah I love capitalism and some patri you know some patriotism's good this and that but everything else is through a leftwing
01:48:05
Brian Atlasframe so that's a social Progressive essentially okay um it's interesting what kind of law did your mom does she practice or um right
01:48:18
Brian Atlasnow it's like more contract law cont contract law is law really like I just I don't know I mean if your dad's she could have
01:48:27
Esmenot worked is that correct yes but she chose to work yes it's never too much money I think she's viewing it like I think her standpoint your standpoint is
01:48:39
Esmemore I don't know if I'm right or wrong but based on like the points that you're making I think you're viewing it as the the potential Breadwinner in a
01:48:49
Brian Atlasrelationship ship right oh then wait are you I I really want to move on but are you arriving at a point here soon yeah yeah yeah so so like what what I'm saying is like
01:49:02
Esmeokay you say that you would want to like stay a a um not an at home mom but like you have to keep in mind that even though you are a breadwinner in a relationship if you decide to date
01:49:13
Esmesomeone who does not make the same amount of money if not more and like let's say you have the baby and you're like oh sweet baby I want to stay with you at home now who's going to be making the
01:49:25
JoJomoney next so you're saying opinions change yeah that his his career path could change too he could maybe start wanting to make money could about other things can happen outside for the question you asked me what about that what about the fact that other
01:49:38
Andrew Wilsonthings could also happen that you didn't detail in your hypothetical what about those things it's a hypothetical so that means there's a lot just the out getting an answer out
01:49:50
Andrew Wilsonof you is like pulling teeth it's a nightmare it's a ghoulish nightmare Absol nightmare I agree with that why she has been on one you been single I was going to say you've been
01:50:01
Brian Atlassingle for two years all right it's all making sense now one quick question we're checking in with the chat here chat uh is Andrew's audio good we lowered it a little bit but is it too
01:50:13
Brian Atlaslow is it too low or is the audio one in the chat if Andrew's audio is good two in the chat if it's too low one in the chat if audio is good tune the chat if it's too low Nick can
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01:50:59
Celeste/Madisonso here Maddie let me have you read this one are you okay with somebody who is weak willed as well as broke providing keep sorry providing is more than just financial support are you
01:51:11
JoJowilling to be the one who holds it all together in a mental capacity as well I think this is scared towards you I think it's scar towards you back at it quick answer uh quick answer is I don't
01:51:23
JoJothink the broke comment is necessarily with all aspirations I think you can be doing a lot of other Hobbies like I said I need someone hyperactive so okay uh we have this NY JoJo you're
01:51:35
Celeste/Madisonsuper cute and have a great personality would you be interested in a law school student who's moving back to SD in May I'm 30 built like a tank and have a six fig job lined up however I do have a
01:51:45
JoJoyoung daughter a sure sure that's it well what I don't know anything about him he has a great personality is this hit her up on her D
01:51:56
Brian Atlashe's a tank you must any questions for him you want to ask him ask screwdriver um yeah what's your relationship like with the mother of the daughter does he need a photo should he make a put a photo on his profile instead of the S
01:52:09
Brian Atlasyeah maybe so you can see what he looks like okay he a great personality though height doesn't matter though no screwdriver just let us know you're highight just to check see how much it matters
01:52:20
Brian Atlasoh we're not we're not reading that um I don't know if that was long enough duration you can show it a little longer Nick um okay here moving on so going back to the original
01:52:30
Maliaquestion anybody disagree with anything besides her oh the origal anybody else anybody disagree with the was like pay on the first date oh yeah we didn't finish the pay on the first date oh yeah
01:52:42
Brian Atlasoh maybe we'll come back there later the OG question what was the original question does anybody disagree with anything that you've heard about from the
01:52:51
Esmeanything um oh man there's been so many podcasts um not that I can think off the top of my head right