HEATED DEBATE! She Got Her Ex DEPORTED?! Excommunicated Mormon/LDS?! Woke E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk 289

Date: 2026-04-06

Duration: 11h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBarbara Adamson >

AAngelica (DC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Joy(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Emily Mack(guest)

SPEAKER_03Frankie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Angelica (DC)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally(guest)

SPEAKER_06Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_09Riley Nimi(guest)

SPEAKER_10Griselda(guest)

SPEAKER_11Barbara Adamson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lii(guest)

SPEAKER_14Hannah(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 13 guests introduce themselves - largest panel ever

Key MomentGriselda reveals she crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor

ControversyRiley proposes shooting anyone who crosses the border

Key MomentAngelica reveals she lied about being engaged - actually married

Key MomentAlly reveals boyfriend strangled her on shrooms, she stayed with him

Key MomentHannah excommunicated from LDS church in high school

Key MomentAnna unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer

OtherLongest Whatever stream ever - approaching 11 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

13 guests including Riley Nimi (conservative), Griselda (Mexican immigrant), Hannah, Anna (Marine vet), and many more. Longest Whatever stream ever (~11 hours).

Griselda Immigration Story

Crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor brought by father. Now has green card through marriage.

Riley Proposes Shooting Border Crossers

Controversial immigration solution sparks strong panel reaction.

Angelica Reveals She Is Actually Married

Lied about being engaged; actually married ~2 years with more money than husband.

Ally Boyfriend Strangled Her on Shrooms

Boyfriend had drug-induced psychosis, strangled her one month into relationship. She stayed.

Hannah LDS Excommunication

Excommunicated from Mormon church in high school for intimacy with boyfriend.

Anna Craigslist Killer Date

Unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer in San Diego.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Panel struggles with basic geography and history. Someone says Hitler ruled Poland.

Show Wrap - Longest Stream Ever

Show wraps after approaching 11 hours.

Transcript

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Anna>> I still I still think that's crazy. >> Why? >> Why? >> Well, I don't know. That's wife behavior. And what are you doing right away in return for the woman?

Hannah>> Paying for the dinner. Are you dead serious? So, you have a girl over $30 dinner. >> I thought she was cooking the dinner. >> Well, hold on. There's a couple questions that been thrown out there. So, what what was I don't know. I'll go

Angelica (DC)one by one. I guess >> I don't remember what I asked, but to be fair with my disagreement. I don't expect people to

Angelica (DC)pay on the first date. If I did expect that, then I could see maybe like you got to clean for them or do something. Maybe not clean.

Brian Atlas>> I don't even I It's for me it's not a transactional thing. It's like I did this so you do this. >> That's >> it should she should want to. She should

Brian Atlasjust want to do it. I I don't want to have to like remind her. I don't want to have to like bully her into doing it. >> Can it be washing dishes? >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. But has anyone actually done it for you? That's

Brian AtlasThat's wild. >> Yes. All the [ __ ] time. But I Hold on. I I'll >> Do you know why? >> Hold on. I'll give women some game here. Now, you guys might really hate this that I wanted as a man. But if you

Brian Atlasactually wanted to like massively boost your success rate, some I know some of you are in in relationships. Uh but if let's say you're single, right? I'm

Brian Atlasgenuinely telling you uh offer to do it. Like the first time you go to a guy's house, offer to do something for him. Maybe it's not the laundry. Maybe you could be like, "Can I tidy up for you a

Brian Atlaslittle bit? Can I How can I be of service, sir/master? How can I be of service to you?" And I'm telling you, you might think it's cringe. And look, most guys might be taking a little bit of back because it's

Brian Atlaslike, whoa, I've never had a guy do this, but they'll appreciate it. And in their agent at that point, >> in the guy's mind, yeah, it could be in the guy's mind. Uh he's thinking like, whoa, who is this girl? Like, that's

Brian Atlasthat's dope. Like, that's cool. Now, I'm not saying all some guys might think it's weird, whatever. But I'm I'm telling you, try it out. And uh that's going to be a a lot of guys are going to

Brian Atlaslook at that and like you way more. And look, I if you're dealing especially if you're dealing with like a >> if this is a guy you really really like and you want to land him, you wanna you

Emily Mackwant to have him, you want to keep him, [ __ ] ain't enough, >> you got to offer more. You got to offer more. >> I think the first date is crazy, but maybe like the first week, like my

Emily Mackfiance and I like we we were uh did it basic. We just went out to pizza and then after a week of constantly hanging out, I was like, "Hey, your car is dirty. Do you want me to clean this out for you?" He appreciated it. >> The back seat was literally covered in

Riley Nimijust garbage and I just removed everything and he was really thankful for that. >> I do think that the first date is uh it's actually not a good thing, Brian, because if if a girl is in your house or apartment on the first date, that's not a good sign. >> Aren't you worried about women chasing

Brian Atlasyou for clout, too? Like by doing all that, like, oh, it's Brian Atlas. >> Oh, they're going to do my laundry for clout. I mean, the thing is is like I've had uh she's like, record this, please. I've dated uh I've started the podcast

Brian Atlasback in 2022. Uh, I've dated women throughout that time. I've had relationships and whatnot. And, uh, women who date me get zero clout. Like,

Brian Atlasif you're dating me, you're not you're not getting any uh, publicity. You're not on the show. Plus, I'm not dating like the type of women I'm attracted to, and at least the ones that come to me, typically, they're not like on social

Brian Atlasmedia. They're not content creators. They're not influencers. So, um, >> real >> I mean, as as far as I know, like They haven't received any clout cuz I I

Brian Atlasmean I would never a girl I'm dating I could be in a relationship for a girl with a year. She's never on the radar to anybody. She's I'm keeping her under

Brian Atlaswraps. Bro, if if I have my girlfriend on the show and and like people can find her, she's going to be probably harassed to

Brian Atlasprobably more than me. How big is his dick? Does it What does he do? Is he weird? blah blah blah. Like, no. If I'm dating a woman, she's not she's not ever getting you wouldn't even know. >> Plus, I would honestly say when it comes

Brian Atlas>> people think I'm a [ __ ] virgin. Like, I've never had a girlfriend or whatever. They wouldn't know. Like, I [ __ ] I could have been dating somebody for one year, two years, nobody would know. >> When it comes to Brian Standard of like a girl doing his laundry, that's pretty much the equivalent of a girl saying, "I want a man who's a gentleman,"

Frankiebasically. >> Yeah. But I'm also thinking like, okay, so if you say like hypothetically you go over to this guy's house and you do this thing for him, isn't he going to expect that more? And if he expects it more, is it going to be a way to like take advantage of you because you did this

Frankiething for him? Are you saying it or as a way like my slave? >> You've been >> you've been talking to this girl for a while and then this is her first night over and she does this thing. >> But that's if she has that skill set, then she's independent in her own

Angelica (DC)resources and if he's not taking advantage, then she can leave and he'll be hurt by that because he lost someone that was valuable to That's cool, too. >> To be fair, my answer comes from if you

Griseldalive with somebody, then yeah, I think that he can expect that from you to like I don't know, clean up after him or something. And I've my current relationship I lived with him before I

Brian Atlaswe got together. So like I started out doing that. >> I can see >> it doesn't get complicated. >> Whoa, whoa, hold. I think it's fair that I also provide a bit more context here.

Brian AtlasUh, this pretty much will not work for normal men. Like, it will not work. Like, you can't go on a dating app and

Brian Atlas>> it's not a one night stand thing. >> Well, hold on. No, you can't go on a dating app or meet a girl at a bar. Now, if she voluntarily does it because like that's just innate to her, you're not going to have the leverage for most in

Brian Atlasmost situations to either have the expectation or ever like have this be a thing where the first time the girl comes over to your h I mean, you know, you could try you come you you might be

Brian Atlasable to do like a team laundry thing where it's like, "Okay, let's fold it together." >> But I I need to provide some important context. Ever since I started this

Brian Atlaspodcast, uh, now I've shot my shot here and there and so I've I I've shot my shot and I have less leverage in that situation. Uh, the majority of the women

Brian AtlasI've dated since 2022 have all contacted me. So that's a very different dynamic you guys should be aware of. And I I suppose I should uh >> So clout >> Well, >> because they know you from your podcast.

Brian AtlasWhy would they contact you otherwise? >> Well, yeah. So, it's like when when they're I I don't want to frame it as them being the pursuer, but if like they're reaching out to you, you have more leverage.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> And you can set like, okay, here's my like 100 question girlfriend application. Uh, [ __ ] fill it out, you know? And so, you have more

Brian Atlasleverage. And, uh, so in that instance, then I can kind of dictate terms a bit better if they're reaching out to me. And the majority of the women I've dated uh in the past like four years or whatever, they've all reached out to me. So,

Brian Atlas>> all right. I rescend my disagreement based off of you can hold that standard cuz cuz you are who you are. >> But I would also say something >> but just to be clear, I don't think I'm like some massive A-list celebrity big

Angelica (DC)shot, but they're reaching out to me. When you have more options, you can be a little bit more. >> I would also say if I've been if I've been psychoanalyzing Brian just a little bit, like all of his like tendencies,

Angelica (DC)all of his requests are things where it's just like, I want a woman to respect me, respect me, respect me. He confuses submission with respect. Like he's asking for bare minimum this entire time. >> It is bare minimum. >> So I'm like, wait a minute. You're not actually asking for submission. You're

Angelica (DC)just asking for a woman to recognize your needs. And often times if they're the ones reaching out to you, it's because they're like putting you in this character mindset that you're not a real human being, but some idea or abstraction to them that'll satisfy

Angelica (DC)their own needs basically. >> Okay. Um I want to also >> I mean, just to be clear, I do want a submissive woman, >> just to be clear. But >> do you can you explain how that would be

Angelica (DC)without you just saying I want my needs respected, but where you're actually being the leader? Like how are you guiding her in life? Cuz everything you've listed is like >> Oh, yeah. Sure. Sure. Well, I mean, uh, how about this, right? So, I would want

Brian Atlasa woman who's not posting provocative photos on Instagram. I'd want a woman who's not wearing provocative clothing. That's just respect >> to some. Let's talk about clothing.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. I I mean, I do think it does fall under the purview of submission. So, if she otherwise wants to go out to a nightclub with her single female friends and I tell her, "Uh, no." And then she's like, "Okay, that would be

Brian Atlassubmission." If she'll be respect, >> respect, not submission. >> Okay. So, Lu then, if we if I'm having a misunderstanding of what submission is, >> I think it's just that submission is where you're guiding. >> Give me give me an example of a scenario

Angelica (DC)in which a woman would be submissive. >> I I gave an example with my own relationship where I defer to my like my significant other with finances. Even though I'm the one who makes the more money, I defer to him on finances and safety. If I want to do something and he

Angelica (DC)says this is not for my good benefit, I'll listen to him when >> Why could she not defer to me? She would also be deferring to me in terms of clothing. >> If you're Exactly. But that's what I'm saying. If she's going out dressing provocatively, that's just a disrespect to your relationship. That's not her submitting. That's her just

Brian Atlasdisrespecting you. Same thing with her going out to the club. That's not submission. That's her wanting to disres. It's basically >> No. No. But if she hold on, if she if she acts asks me this also, I think you

Brian Atlashave to take into consideration there's a degree of societal conditioning and brainwashing. Uh, and so I think I think sometimes you got to break somebody out of that and be like, "No, this isn't

Brian Atlaslike perhaps they were on the wrong path. This is not how you should be maneuvering uh through the world." >> And uh, >> once again though, I can understand how you can interpret that as submission, but once again, it's like me saying, I

Angelica (DC)want to tell a guy like, "Oh, don't do don't go out to the clubs. Don't hang out with your boys when you're going to like the strip clubs or whatever." That's not me like obeying him. That's me basically laying out a bare minimum common sense relationship.

Angelica (DC)>> I and I agree that that should be to some degree uh bare minimum. >> Submission is like I am going to put my life in your hands because you're the one who's going to give me who's going to take the bullet for me and I don't want to do something that would increase those chances.

Riley Nimi>> His example right there where he's like hey I don't want you to go out with your single female friends. And her saying okay yes I I won't do that. That's her submitting to his request. She is submissive in that situation. If she's going to the club or going with her

Angelica (DC)single friends or invalidate his relationship, that's different. If they're single friends, they're typically going to be the ones to poke holes in the relationship and that's disrespectful to the relationship. >> So, I agree with you that like So, okay,

Brian Atlasshe shouldn't want to do that to begin with. There shouldn't ever it should just be automatic. Although I do think in the current cultural and social zeitgeist, some women uh perhaps have

Brian Atlasbad influence either from society, culture, or their friends, and they'll get caught up in partying. Now, I would say that it would be perhaps my job in an effort to protect her and the relationship to guide her to be like,

Brian Atlas"Uh, no, don't. You're not going to go out and party and do all this ho shit." Uh, and she can correct that behavior. >> And she would defer to me and that would be submissive. In the mirror situation, would it be okay if my, you know,

Angelica (DC)husband wanted to go watch porn and do simulated acts that are very degenerate and gratuitous? If my role as a submissive wife, would I have to go along with that or is it disrespectful to the relationship? Likewise, if you're leading her, if you're leading her,

Angelica (DC)there's certain boundaries that are just common sense. You shouldn't have to guide a woman to God framework. you you like >> not even not even a Christian one a materialist one where if she's going out that's a threat to your material relationship where it's like this

Angelica (DC)shouldn't be a concern I have in the relationship if I'm guiding you it's in matters of finances or in matters of safety or in matters of whatever but if you're going out putting our relationship in jeopardy but it's not it's not her physical safety that necessarily men are concerned about if

Angelica (DC)she goes to the club or go >> she goes to a club I am concerned with her physical safety >> that's true but the bigger issue I think a lot of men have is infidelity when she goes to the club or when she's with her single friends when it comes safety. That's just going out in general.

Brian Atlas>> It's true. >> Uh there's a greater risk uh in like a nightclub scenario uh or party scenario where there's alcohol involved. >> Anything outside of >> dangerous. >> I think essay should be the risk, not

Brian Atlasinfidelity. Cuz if she's the type of woman to cheat, then I feel like you don't want to be with her. No, >> if you don't trust her, but then she's not loyal. She's got a bad character. >> Then I have to go to a >> there is like there is opportunity. It does present opportunity. Yeah, but like

Angelica (DC)>> essay. >> No, I I said like the risk and the reason. >> Well, no. What's essay? Oh, sexual sexual assault. >> Oh, like rape. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah. >> Well, it could be even less than that. But that's what I'm saying is that if you're going out to a club where it's

Angelica (DC)clearly dating oriented, there's alcohol flowing, your friends are single, they're going to encourage you to make mistakes because typically single women are going to head and peck your relationship. That's disrespectful to

Angelica (DC)the relationship. If she's going out and basically like living her hunter Thompson life, driving like a 100 miles on Las Vegas strip, like yeah, at that point you could say like, "Sweetie, like I submit to me, you're kind of crazy." But if she's going out doing things that

Riley Nimiare going to harm the fidelity of the relationship, that's a different equation. >> I don't understand why you're disagreeing with Brian. So if a woman were to go out with her friends and not tell him at all, that would be disrespectful, right? And then let's say he were to say, "Hey, I do not want you to do that."

Angelica (DC)>> She's then prompted like, "Hey, I don't my man does not want me want me to do this." That would be a nonsubmissive woman. The reason I'm disagreeing with Brian is because I want him to have higher standards. He's conflating submission with bare minimum. >> I'm quite certain that Brian has the

Angelica (DC)highest standards of almost any man. >> If he's if he's having to articulate why it is that he wants his own bed at night and then women are crashing out on him, that's emotional hostility. That's basically being disrespected. That's not submission. That's just having a basic

Angelica (DC)emotional boundaries wanting to be respected. If the inverse were to happen where it's a woman saying, "Listen, sweetie, you know, I I just don't want to share a bed tonight." And the guy was like, "Okay, you leave." But if if he were to say, "No, I'm not going to do this." It would be seen as

Annahostile and toxic. >> But yet, that's not acknowledged. >> Wait, hold on. I agree with Brian because I don't like sleeping in the same bed as people either. So, I agree with him there. However, I do also think that the no bed thing could be a huge

Annadeal breaker breaker for someone. And it's just something that you should put out before you bring someone over just so they don't have the the the because then you're just giving yourself a headache with her crash outs. So, it's just a good thing to put out there like,

Anna"Hey, this is I don't really like, you know, sharing beds or whatever." I mean, it's just like a that way you're not also ruining you're also not like wasting your time, too. You're not wasting your time. You're not dealing with the crash out. You're not deal wasting her time cuz it could be a huge

Brian Atlasdeal breaker. >> Okay. So, I agree with you that it's probably a good idea to preemptively let somebody know that this is something that you want or whatever. However, if

Brian Atlasit isn't disclosed, uh the woman should still acquies >> to your boundary, to your determination on this issue and not uh [ __ ] freak out about it.

Angelica (DC)>> The crush on Well, I just think it's like they get a little blindsided cuz you just like had sex with them. They're all emotional and now it's like you're dismissing them. >> Women are emotal. So yeah, you got to regulate you got to

Brian Atlasregulate your emotional response to that and uh not like just have a make a scene basically. >> No, not make a scene. I just I can understand why they feel dismissed a little bit.

Riley Nimi>> Women want to Well, women will submit when you make them feel comfortable if you're not reject. They maybe feel rejected. >> What really is important is that a woman doesn't submit to uh just any man because let's say a man is like, "Hey, I want to be a cuck like Destiny or something, right?" Like you wouldn't

Riley Nimiwant a woman to do that. That's not a good woman. You want a woman who is submissive to God, right? And if a if a man has godly leadership, she should be submissive to that man and his instructions. So to to be really specific about it, a woman should be submissive to God and uh godly male

Brian Atlasleadership. >> So uh okay, another disagreement we have Hannah here. Too aggressive with religious views. I assume that relates to Andrew Wilson just cuz I'm not particularly religious. Uh be a little

Hannahmore kind. Do you want to elaborate on I think if you're taking like a religious approach, especially with like Only Fan Girls, like when they're just like you're a hoe, you're a [ __ ] you're I'm like >> I don't I don't do that.

Hannah>> I've Well, I've seen clips before where like is it Andrew? >> You asked it was the question was >> Yeah, but Andrew is not here, so like >> Well, I just answered the question. >> Oh, okay. >> I mean, he does come on the podcast, I think, so he's tied.

Hannah>> Well, I mean, are are you are you religious or >> um I grew up very very Mormon, >> but currently >> I got excommunicated. >> Oh, okay. We'll talk about that in the moment. And then I got rebaptized by my ex-husband. >> So where what's your current status

Hannahthough? >> Um I'm not active LDS. I >> Do you believe in God? >> I think so. But I'm going to be honest. It's kind of like a mind f like when you go from like one extreme in a religion

Hannahto like >> to like questioning like LDS culture in general now it's like okay well what is real? But I still like would love to have some type of like Christian base. It just it's like very confusing,

Brian AtlasI guess. >> Okay. Um well, yeah. I mean, as far as Andrew's disagreements with sex workers, for example, uh I mean, sex work is completely incompatible with LDS. It's

Hannahincompatible with Christianity. It's incompatible with uh is Islam. >> But what's the what is it? I don't know. I could be saying it wrong. Like what John 3:15 or something. It's like God

Hannahcame to the world to condemn that like not to condemn people but to save them. It's like, so when you're really that harsh with people, do you actually think they're open to hearing your >> I mean, wasn't Jesus like with the Pharisees? He was like knocking tables

Brian Atlasover and >> like, so I I mean, this idea that Christians need to be like >> like the this um what's the Yeah. Yeah. Like >> just tolerant of all behavior. >> I'm not saying, but I'm just saying

Hannah>> we can discuss pornography and Only Fans from a non-religious perspective if you'd like. >> No. No. All I don't want to the delivery and like even like the tone like that's like the furthest thing from Christlike coming from a godly man.

Angelica (DC)>> That's the thing I I understand. >> Okay. Wait, so you're saying it's too religious and then now you're saying like, "Oh, it's not really Christlike." So like you got to kind of pick one. >> Well, that's the thing is that Andrew Wilson has true righteous passion inside

Angelica (DC)of himself. He has true conviction in his beliefs. But what Hannah what Hannah is addressing is this wounded zeal where one of the virtues of love and inner peace is kindness. where if someone is being cruel to you, you turn the other

Angelica (DC)cheek and give them >> The thing is Angelica is what Charlie >> K. We're all different. I actually just read this and I think it was first. >> He pops us in every two second and calls women [ __ ] all the time. Andrew Wilson >> Andrew I mean and Andrew Andrew Wilson. >> I know at this point it might as well be Andrew.

Angelica (DC)>> That's what I'm saying. If you're not wanting him to judge you, why are you judging him? So that's my mindset around. >> He does all this before the judgment. >> I know, but I'm like I'm not going to judge someone for judging because then I'm like multiplying judgment. But I understand why he does that. Angelica, it says in first Corinthians that we're

Riley Nimiall different parts [ __ ] We're all different parts of the body of Christ. We all have different functions. None of us can be a Christ. Some of us are going to be a lot more kind. Some of us are going to be like legalistic and saying, "Hey, we're going to go into this temple and flip over tables." That's a reference to when Jesus went into a

Riley Nimitemple and basically uh flipped over a bunch of people's tables and whatnot and got very mad at them. So, some of us are supposed to be kind. Like, you might be very kind. You're a woman. It's kind of the usual. But like some of us are meant to be very assertive and dominant and

Riley Nimilike the table flippers essentially that just kind of call out the [ __ ] be very blunt about it and say, you know, we're not being nice here and so none of us can be Christ, but we're all different parts of the body of Christ, so we have different characteristics of

Angelica (DC)Christ. >> I 100% agree. I I understand that like that text. I agree with it because the way I came to Christianity was just like that tough love and I appreciate that tough love. That's why I like Andrew Wilson. But at the same time, there is room for criticism where something that

Angelica (DC)he can improve on is if you're swearing, it clouds your mental clarity. That's why the Bible says to be careful of perverse speech. So if you're calling a woman a hoe and all of this jazz, you're no longer approaching it from a Christian perspective.

Brian Atlas>> If you call a woman, if you call a woman a [ __ ] and then you also call a woman a promiscuous woman, they have the exact same meaning. >> Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Uh I think I caught the tail end of this, but I think

Brian AtlasJesus was referring referred to people as vipers. >> That's a different group that you don't want to mention right now. >> Wait, hold on. >> This is a different group. No, no, no, but but but like back in So

Brian Atlashistorically, um you'd agree with me that there's like a you I don't know uh euphemism treadmill uh or no, I think I might be using that wrong, but like um

Brian Atlasinsults evolve devolve over time. So like back in when Jesus was alive to call somebody a viper is like massive like super insulting. Like it's it's probably like the equivalent of calling a guy like a

Angelica (DC)[ __ ] or a >> That's not perverse speech though. I mean, you just gave two, but perver Wait, what? >> Perverse speech is like vulgar where it's like the [ __ ] or what makes it vulgar. All right. Well, it's referring to bodily.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. I don't care about this conversation. No offense. Uh, back to back to your point though. Uh, be a little more kind, too aggressive. Is this just about Andrew Wilson, though? He's not here to defend himself. So, >> uh, yeah. >> Was there anything else? Okay, we're

Brian Atlasgoing to get into the other things of the questionnaire here. Uh, let's see here. Uh Shona women do not have equal rights to men in the USA to which you agree. Why is that? >> Just pertains to abortion rights. >> I can't get an abortion either in Texas.

Riley NimiDid you know that? >> Did you know that? >> Weekly affects. >> I cannot get I cannot get an abortion. I do not have the right to get an abortion in Texas and a lot of other states which have banned abortion. >> Did you know that? >> Oh my god.

Angelica (DC)>> He doesn't have the right. There's no way that the issue behind abortion or like the the problem that initially occurs as to why a woman gets abortion that will never apply to a man. >> But okay, but but but so the framing of

Angelica (DC)the question relates to equal rights. >> Well, right now as it stands and I'm going to say draft aside because that doesn't actively affect any men right now and it's not been implemented. >> Does it slavery happens a long time ago? Does that mean it doesn't have an impact

Angelica (DC)today? >> Slavery doesn't actively affect black people right now. But there's like >> really why are they poor that Wait, why are black people poor? Well, I'm just saying there's there's ultimate and there's proximate causes. Okay. >> But but why are they >> what's approximate? Wait, what's approximate cause?

Angelica (DC)>> Like things like red lining. >> Pro that's what >> you're talking about. You're talking about like >> I'm asking what the definition of proximate is. >> Proximate is more nearby. Ultimate is >> what are you studying in college again? >> Psych. Okay. >> Okay. And you just said redlinining

Angelica (DC)which happened dozens of years ago. So that's still something that would affect them today that was in the past. >> Well, there's something you realize your logic does not follow through >> right now. Okay. All I was trying to say with the abortion bank is as it stands today and draft aside that's like a

Brian Atlaswhole another topic. And like if you if you want to say like oh draft invalidates what you're saying sure you can. But just on the topic of topic of abortion >> bring the draft up but men don't have any reproductive rights. >> He can't get an abortion.

Brian Atlas>> Men don't have a reproductive system. >> You don't have to have sex. Like that's the amazing thing. It's totally preventable. >> Wait really quick Natalia. I think for the gift to 20 memberships. Uh, but I

Brian Atlasmean just to make it super quick, the So you could say that there are abortion rights which would primarily apply to women. Well, would >> they only almost only apply to women? >> Wait, what about trans women?

Angelica (DC)>> I I will say in this case biologically assigned at female at birth. Yeah, but what if the woman wants to abort a child that the man wants to keep? That's his baby. Like then he has no say in it. It's her body.

Frankie>> Just this leads into a whole abortion debate. Yeah. Wait, what is what is what I'm studying? >> Maybe later we can deal with she's talking about his mental health. So that's exactly what it has to do with >> his mental health. What are we talking about? >> Yes. How would it affect his mental

Frankiehealth if she decides to have an abortion? He doesn't want >> it would affect her mental health too and it affects her body. So therefore there's more effect. >> Yeah. But does his does his mental health not matter? >> I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm just saying that's exactly what I know

Angelica (DC)about what if it was allowed for him to take her to court to make sure that he could have his baby. She doesn't have to take care of the baby. He can take hold of the baby. >> When did I say his mental health doesn't matter? >> You just did. >> I didn't. His mental health matters. His mental health matters. His mental health

Brian Atlasmatters. It's still her body. And I still don't believe a fetus is a baby. >> You're a manipulator. >> How does a baby grow not a human? How does how does it grow if >> Oh my god, we're getting so off topic. [ __ ]

Angelica (DC)>> uh here. Can you read the show now? They want to confuse the diff between getting on her knees looking up while giving oral versus doing laundry without being asked which is the same only when a man asks to do the things no matter what and

Brian Atlasshe agrees is submissive. Never understood why this is so hard to understand. >> I guess we didn't fully finish off the the laundry thing. I guess I can add two more things really quick then I'll move it on. Uh you might think it's

Brian Atlasridiculous that I have an expectation on the first time a girl comes over for her to do my laundry. I think it may be in total like one load of laundry. I mean there's machines that do it. So folding

Brian Atlasis probably the pri primary time sync. Uh it maybe takes a woman 20 minutes tops to to do it. Uh, in order for a man to take a woman out on a date, let's say a guy, let's say it's a younger guy and

Brian Atlashe's going to pay for the date and he makes $20 an hour and he takes her to [ __ ] Chili's and they get drink uh a drink each appetizer, main course, dessert plus tip. He's going to spend

Brian Atlasprobably 100 bucks. Now, let's say, okay, only 50 of that is for her. Um he uh so the math would work out to something like just for her portion to

Brian Atlastake her out to a $100 Chili's date. He has to work not even factoring in taxes. He has to work two and a half hours if

Brian Atlashe's just making $20 flat. It's more actually uh well I'm not including in his portion of the bill or whatever. So,

Brian Atlasif when women say men should pay for first dates, if you take a girl out to a first date and it's a hundred bucks, which I don't think is that unrealistic, maybe you could get away with something. You could go to get burgers for 40

Brian Atlasbucks, something like you could get something cheaper. Let's say it's even 20 bucks you spend on >> Costco food court. >> Yeah. Say you spend [ __ ] you can get We can keep going really, really cheap, but I don't think it's unreasonable. Like a mid-tier mid-tier restaurant, you might

Brian Atlasspend a hundred bucks uh for the both of you. uh $50 for her portion, you make $20 an hour. Let's not even factor in tax. That's two and a half hours of work to take her out on the date. So, it's

Brian Atlaslike if that's the entailment of men should pay on first dates, you have to work for two and a half hours. Why can't I be like, "Okay, first time you come over to my house, I'd want

Annaa woman to work 20 minutes for me." >> Do you lay out like, "Hey, when you come over, I want you to do my laundry." Or is this a guessing? Is this like a test? >> They should just do it. They should just do it. Why don't you just pay out of the

Emily Mackkindness of your own heart? Maybe wait a month or so for the laundry. >> What do you mean pay for the date? >> For the date? Yeah. >> Well, what kind of date is it? Is it like a coffee shop or is it are you taking her to fine dining? Cuz if you're taking her to fine dining, I could see

Brian Atlaswhy you would want your laundry being done maybe. >> Well, I mean, even if you go to a mid-tier restaurant, you're you could easily pay $100 $100. But why is it out of the kind kindness of my heart, I need

Emily Mackto pay for the date? Why can't out of the kindness of her heart she should do my laundry? >> To defend Brian's >> Did you want Did you want to take her out? >> Huh? >> You asked her out. >> Well, that's incorrect. >> But how do you ask her to do your laundry after a date? Like, do you just >> He's not asking though. That's what he's

Angelica (DC)saying. >> Wait, most women won't even know they have to do this. Like, >> that's basic. >> Women Women often times have expectations that are unspoken of for men. And if they don't deliver those expectations, they will break up with

Angelica (DC)them because they get the ick and they won't explain or communicate that, which is also a subject that's been brought up. So likewise, Brian is basically saying, I don't need to communicate these issues if they come up in the relationship. I don't need to be transparent 24/7 so as to get you to

Annaoblige to some contractual relationship. >> I think both should be transparent. It saves both of you a headache. Lay out the groundwork. This is my must haves. This is my these are my >> You have to But do you do you guys do the same thing? So you're saying, "Oh,

Brian AtlasBrian, you should disclose this." Do you disclose uh like do women disclose if a woman has an expectation that the man should pay for the first date? Do women like check in beforehand and are they like

Brian Atlas>> by the way? >> I just want to make sure you're paying for the date. Women don't do that. Like women don't do that. They just expect it. >> No, I do it. >> They just do that because you're expecting to pay because you make more money.

Angelica (DC)>> I do it because that's what I want. I want someone to provide and not leech off. I was just going to say like obviously like I understand why you're saying oh well if I don't disclose it like but like women like they don't disclose the whole date thing right but

Angelica (DC)I think your expectation in this case just happens to be a little more unconventional whereas it's a lot more common >> I'm still talking whereas a loted >> okay I'm I'm letting you know that I'm still making my point it's a lot more

Angelica (DC)common for men to uh pay for a woman's date so I completely respect your preference and I understand why you want it to be at your expectation given your preferences and what I understand about you so far But >> you know, sometimes

Angelica (DC)>> you don't always have to chime in. >> But what if what if you have a woman who she would be like totally willing to do all those things for you. She just didn't think of it in the moment cuz it's not as common of a thing to come up for a woman to do a man's laundry in the

Brian Atlasfirst day. >> Yeah. So, I do agree that I'm trying to say it's not as common. It's a bit unorthodox and like >> uncom super uncommon. Uh like probably 99.999% of men don't have this expectation at all.

Brian Atlas>> Even if she's conservative and like about everything you're about. >> Yeah, sure. I think most men are just like basically um happy to be uh worker

Brian Atlasants for women, which I reject. Uh I I kind of reject that uh setup to be honest. >> Well, that's the other thing about conservative women. Excuse me. There's this paradigm that's unfortunately like

Angelica (DC)once again as I've referenced before me me where conservative women they have certain expectations of men that are conservative vain. There's liberal women who have certain expectations of men that are liberal vain but they still have expectations of men and they're not

Angelica (DC)thinking about what they're going to show up or provide for them. It's not self-sacrificial. So that's the issue that's coming going on with modern dating techniques. >> She's talking. >> You you weren't talking. You you're not in this conversation talking. >> So that's kind of my issue. It doesn't

Angelica (DC)matter if a woman has conservative politics or liberal politics. The issue is, you know, a woman can be liberal, as Visela proves, and if they're meeting each other's needs, why are you going to bring problems into the relationships by saying, "Oh, well, why don't you do this

Angelica (DC)one role?" It's like, if they're meeting each other's needs, that's all that's needed for a relationship. >> I agree. And I think that's why expectations can be such a tricky thing to like lay out. >> Uh, Shaggy, thank you. >> Shaggy donated $200.

SPEAKER_07>> Appreciate it, man. >> Me and my wife have been together for 12 years. Me 42, her 46. She has always been full submissive to me and her friends are jealous of the joy she has all the time.

Brian Atlas>> She lives spoiled. >> 3 years. Listen, one X tip. >> Chair one is uh >> Yo, Shaggy, thanks for the TTS, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, dude. >> Wait, chair one. What? I'm lying about

Brian AtlasAndrew Wilson. I just said he popped Zins and he's called women derogatory names before. I think both of those things >> I'll show Brian Zins. Like is that the that >> I'm not saying that's actually a terrible thing. It's just like

Riley Nimi>> he he consumes >> Oh my god. Crime of the century. >> I don't know. Every time I've seen it like >> Yeah. He smoke cigarettes. He's >> No, that's cool. That's cool. That's cool. It's good for you. >> So Brian was mentioning it that it's

Riley Nimilike the willingness of the girl to do that. So like if a guy on a first date didn't I'm talking if a guy on a first date didn't buy you flowers, you'd be like, "Okay, whatever." But then you say, "Hey, I kind of wanted to get flowers." He'd be like, "Oh, oh, okay."

Riley NimiAnd then he goes to the store and buys them. He walks out of his seat, goes and buys the flowers. It wouldn't really mean as much because he wasn't really intending to do that until you brought it up as kind of like a requirement, right? >> I mean, that's why I would never ask a man to get flowers cuz then suddenly it does take away the meaning.

Riley Nimi>> Exactly. Because it's like his will he should be willing to do that, right? And a woman should be willing to do a man's laundry if the man spent two and a half hours of his labor on the dinner. >> I just But you can't be telepathic. Like you can't just know that he wants >> the toilet.

Griselda>> I just feel like that that's something more personal, you know? I don't know. I I I just I just find it very >> You know what? Let's play the bow video. >> But he's assuming that we're also assuming he slept with these women. So how much more person

Brian Atlasbut I feel like they're laundering something you guys can I ask you guys a question. Uh so I think most people um unless you're like pretty Christian or I mean you don't necessarily have to be

Brian Atlasreligious. I think most people [ __ ] pretty quickly. Um am I am I the bad guy here who who wants a little wholesome laundry done whereas like other guys

Brian Atlasintention for that. Hold on. But other guy's intention is like he wants his [ __ ] down [ __ ] your tonsil. Like he wants his penis, his member into the

Brian Atlascrevices. He wants to he wants to blast. >> He wants to blast up in inside of you. He wants to blast on you. He wants to do

Brian Atlasv variances of various sexual acts um with and around >> I feel like when you're in and around your mouth, it seems so much easier. Am I Am I really the bad guy here? I just

Brian Atlaswant to pull like a woman to just be all be all cutesy in the laundry room folding my laundry. Like I have this this bad intention. Meanwhile, this other guy you're on a date with wants to like choke you and have like do all

Annakind. I'm not a choking guy. I'm not Look, I'll do a gentle one if you ask for it nicely. Okay. But I don't know. Like I I don't know. >> I think you have I think your expectations are valid and you're not wrong in them. I just think I've never

Annaheard of a man ask me to wash his laundry and I and I might. I just I just think it's No. >> Have you ever asked a man to buy you flowers? >> I I wash my husband's laundry. I'm saying on a first date. I'm going to say I'm just saying after like coming over the first date is just weird and first

Annatime at the house, right? And if you expect that, that's fine. That's your preference. I just think that a little bit of communication goes a long way. If that's what you expect, maybe she'd be down for it. Maybe she thought >> No. So I do communicate. I have a I have

Brian Atlaslike a hund point girlfriend application and one of the questions is are you willing to do acts of service? Are you gonna work on my garden? >> You really do. >> That's a little corny. >> I can't lie. >> So you're So you're lovely. No, I like

Brian Atlasactually like that. I like that. That's weird. >> Yeah. No, look, here's the thing, right? So, okay. >> Love if it helps you. If it helps you, that's cool. >> Love languages. >> By the way, it you really can mostly

Brian Atlasonly leverage this if she's reaching out to you. Oh, hi. Okay, here's my girlfriend application. Fill this out. One of these days, I'm going to show the girlfriend's application, but it's the secret sauce. I don't want to, you know, I got to keep it to me for a little bit, but

Brian Atlas>> you know, you said you got a hello woman reaching out to you. You've been in multiple relationships. I'm not going to hate them. Like, good for you. What works? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah. Never heard of that before. >> Yeah. Women DM me and like whatever. And it's not like I don't meet up with all

Brian Atlasof them. But, uh, yeah, the girlfriend application, I'm like, will you do acts of service? Will you cook? Will you clean? Will you, you know, >> that's your love. I think something about that just feels slightly less organic, you know?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. When I was like college, I agree it's not organic, but if like 10 women DM me a week, like hit them. >> Okay. When you're at that level, when you're on top,

Brian Atlas>> hold on. It's like also like I even if it was like one woman a week or whatever, I don't have time to like organically like it's a lot of questions and these are things I care about. No,

Brian Atlasyou're just >> organically. It would take hours to like >> siphon this out of a woman organically. So, yeah, it's a little autistic. I've had some women be like, "Brian, I'm not filling that out." I'm like, "Peace."

HannahUh, >> they're all good. You're saving yourself back to the streets. You go, I guess. >> Call me caught me off guard, but when you're when you're this popular and you got this many girls, like, >> bro, I'm not even that popping. I'm I

Angelica (DC)don't have any ego. Now, you're being a little general. In general, the social contract has been broken. There is no sense of like expectation anymore. So, if you're going to be engaging in a romantic sexual relationship with someone who might misinterpret and crash

Angelica (DC)out, like for example, in Brian's case, the whole bedroom situation, you're going to want to have some insurance to make sure she's not going to extrapolate something, oh, I'm sorry, extrapolate something into something much bigger. You're going to want to be more concise and thorough from the start. the

Barbara Adamsonapplication are you >> modernity has totally warped women's perception of what's degrading >> that too >> like all the >> what did you say

Barbara Adamson>> I modernity has entirely warped women's perception on what's degrading because talking about the sex acts like I think some of those things are far more degrading than you know

Anna>> washing laundry >> washing laundry or any number of other things >> I mean we can also have the sex acts but laundry too. You know what I mean? >> I have no problem doing a man's laundry if I'm with him. I just think if you're expecting it like first night over or

Brian Atlaswhatever, it should just be communicated. >> Wait, who said related to that? Who said uh you want uh someone said something along along the lines of either that's like wifey behavior, but she's not your

Brian Atlaswife or like you want a mom. Somebody said that. I for >> I used the word wifey. >> You used the word like the that's the wife stuff. Yeah, >> if you want to become a wife, you got to

Brian Atlasdo the wifey stuff. Even like for example, imagine if a guy was like, "You know what? >> I don't want to protect. I don't want to provide when we're married, then I'll

Brian Atlaspay for dates." I think a lot of women would have an issue with with a man holding back on his roles until marriage, until further on in the relationship. If for most women, if it's

Brian Atlaslike, oh, I'm not going to pay now, but like 3 months, 6 months deep, then I'll start paying for dates. >> I think a lot of women are going to have an issue with that. >> That's a black pill position to have, though, cuz it's like there's no there's

Angelica (DC)no skills to basically show a man like, "These are the skills you need. These are the skills that a woman needs." In a relationship nowadays, you basically have to find someone who's on the same page as you, and say, "We'll grow together in our femininity or masculinity and compliment each other in

Brian Atlaswhat we don't currently have." Sometimes a woman is like a horse though. Like you got to you got to you got to train her. You got to train her. You got to train her a little

Brian Atlasbreaker in it. But it's not her fault. It's not her fault. Society, feminism, it's all brainwashing. It's all propaganda. Sometimes you got to put her on the right. No. Look, you think that you can change [ __ ] you up. Disney

Angelica (DC)[ __ ] you up. >> All these stupid Disney movies [ __ ] you up. Let me put you on some games. Submission is not a bad one. No, it's not. But at the same time, well, my first point is how can a woman be a homemaker if there is no home that the man has provided? And number two, back

Angelica (DC)to Griselda's point, if you guys are doing 50/50, >> then you're basically making up for I assume that you're working class. You have to make up for it because the man can't make that income and afford a home on his own. So, that's a form of submission.

Brian Atlas>> Um >> uh so anyways, I got to move it on, but uh oh, the bow video. Play the bow video super quick. Then we have a fun segment. We have the AI segment. So, okay, it's going to be bow then. Okay, this is my

Brian Atlasex-girlfriend and I show this video. So, what I did was I um this is a tutorial video. You know, in a video game how there's a tutorial. I thought, you know,

Brian Atlaswhy why tell when I can show? So, this is something I you know, like, have you ever had a job at a fast food restaurant and like they sit you in the back room with like a tablet? I guess the tablet

Brian Atlasnow or like a TV and they put in a VCR tape and they're like hey well I guess it wouldn't nowadays it wouldn't be that but there's like here's a VCR they put

Brian Atlasin the VCR tape uh and then VHS tape I guess I should say and uh you know they show you the the instructional video I do that with with women you know why I

Brian Atlasdon't want to have to constantly tell like use my you know I get horsearo sometimes that's why I drink so much water I don't want have to walk every woman through it. So, I'm just like I I have an instructional video I show them. Go ahead, play. Roll the clip. Roll the

Brian Atlasclip. >> So, you do communicate. >> Yeah. So, boom. Huge bow. She has to bow for me as soon as I come home. >> Uh that's respect, right? She's got to bow. Now, this is sort of like >> this is rage bait.

Brian Atlas>> Nope. This is real. And then like laundry, of course. And then look at this. This was after a long podcast day. Uh she has my food, my dinner ready. Cracks open a beer. >> Was Asian. What a surprise.

Brian Atlas>> Look at how attentive she is. Look at how attentive she stirs my noodles for me. And uh I actually dumped her. You see those tomatoes there? I dumped her because >> um why would I just want raw tomatoes?

Brian AtlasDisgusting. >> Yeah. So, I show this to all my future girlfriends. Uh well, hopefully they watch the show so that I don't even have to show it to them. They just know what to do. But yeah, I do want a woman to bow for me. Um

Brian Atlas>> you're joking. >> That was a deal to >> Huh? That was the deal breaker for you? Tomatoes. >> The raw tomatoes. >> The raw tomato. Why should >> What do you mean? Why should a woman? >> Yeah. Why? What? >> You're married, right?

Griselda>> Yeah. >> Did Did your husband get down on one knee like a little s? >> Absolutely. >> He got down on one knee and he looked up to you. Oh, >> he has done it at least three times. This [ __ ] has been married three times. >> No, he has asked me several times to

Riley Nimimarry. >> Wait, you turned him down? >> No. >> Why did he ask you three times? Because that's basically you're renewing your vows. That's he has done it. >> Renewing your vows. >> So you're already married and he asked you to marry him. He gets it down on his knee.

Riley Nimi>> He gives you another ring. >> Oh, that's so beautiful. >> You get Show us your rings. Yeah. Show >> No, I don't have my ring. >> You're not Wait. Wait. >> Why don't you wear your ring? >> It seems a bit odd. Away from home for a few days.

Griselda>> Well, she's also she's also >> Actually, my husband dropped me off. >> Okay. >> Oh, but you don't wear your ring. That's kind of >> Delica's not wearing her ring either and she lied about it yesterday. >> I'm not wearing mine either cuz I was afraid I would lose. >> Wait, you're too far. You're too far from the

Brian Atlas>> I'm not wearing mine either because I was afraid I would lose it. >> I don't know. I think it's a way bigger ask for >> He's also with me here. We're saying I think it's way bigger asks for a man to one like spend x amount of money on a

Griseldaring get kneeling. >> So you wouldn't kneel down if you were to >> First off, I don't want to get married, but that's going to open up. >> So how are you going to have kids? You you just Oh, you think I can't get a

Griseldawoman? >> In order to impregnate a woman, you have to be married to her. >> No, but that's I feel like that was that was your belief that you need to get married so you can >> uh I don't have an a religious objection

Brian Atlasto marriage, but I definitely have a secular objection to marriage. So, but I can have I can stay with the same woman for my entire life, never get married, and I can definitely get women pregnant. Absolutely. >> What's the objection? >> What's the Oh my god. I mean, it's a

Brian Atlashuge can of worms. Uh, it's massive financial liability. I don't give a [ __ ] about a woman's money. That means I'm willing to date a woman who's essentially works at Chick-fil-A or

Brian Atlasless, I guess. Uh, I'm a high earner. >> So, no pre-up. You don't believe in prenups get thrown out. They get challenged. It doesn't it wouldn't even it wouldn't even really protect me to

Brian Atlasthat much. >> But wouldn't a woman offer her security? >> But that's her benefit. Oh, it's not your >> but don't let her submit to you. >> I don't benefit a woman uh voluntarily.

Griselda>> Marriage just doesn't make sense if you're an atheist. >> If you're not married to the woman and you have children, would you expect that the children have your last name? >> Yes. >> Also, how do you think your children will look? I mean, how do you think your

Griseldachildren will feel when you're not married to their mom? >> Don't you think? >> What? >> Yeah. I mean, that that's weird. >> Uh I don't think that's weird. >> Yeah. they're gonna grow. I mean, my kids will definitely ask me, my kids

Griseldadefinitely will ask me, "Why you're not married to my daddy?" Like, you know, that's actually things that get thrown in school or something. You know, there's a lot of events >> but uh we're together. We're together

Griseldaand >> yeah, I don't anticipate it being a problem just marriage basically. You don't believe in actually marrying a girl? >> If she's richer than me, I'll think

Riley Nimiabout it. I'll probably do it. So, just on the legal aspect, you're fine with like religious >> socially marrying a woman. >> Uh, >> and saying this is my wife. You just don't have the paperwork done. >> Like, would you ever give a ring?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I guess that's acceptable, huh? >> Would you ever like offer her a ring as a commitment without actually going? >> I mean, I'm not getting down on one knee, but I might just be like, we're at McDonald's or something. I'm just like, >> whose ring is that? >> There you go.

Barbara Adamson>> It's a hard cell. >> I guess we can [ __ ] do it. It's a super hard cell from a secular perspective. So like I totally get that. Like my only kind of cell from that angle is that um cohabitating couples,

Barbara Adamsoneven ones who have kids, within the fi first five years of like their children's life, are four times more likely to split up than if they're actually married.

Brian Atlas>> Uh well, I mean the statistics uh while they might be true, uh I don't really think that they would apply to me. He's kind of >> You're the exception.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, he kind of is. Well, so so it's like it's like so just because um Okay, so >> let me like this. Like just because the the statistics are, you know, what

Brian Atlaswhatever the statistics show, that doesn't mean that in your particular uh instance that that is necessarily the probability of you getting >> uh divorced.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So, uh, but I mean I don't think it's, um, I don't know. Plus, there's pl there's plenty of divorce among married couples, too. So, >> okay. I agree with the no married thing. I probably never want to get married

Annaagain. And I said that earlier. And >> can you tilt your mic down, please? >> I'm sorry. >> Tilt your mic down. >> Um, and Riley looked at me like, "Oh, you're 41. You're never get married.

AnnaThat's why." Yes. And then he's cheering you on that you don't want to do that. So, I feel like that's a little bit of a double standard here. It's okay for you to not want >> I'm I'm not cheering that on. >> You just said You just said, "Oh, well,

Riley Nimihe's kind of got the upper hand." >> Yes, I am a Christian. Yes. That's why you're looking at me like it was derogatory. >> That's why that's why I was fine with him not legally marrying a woman cuz what is marriage in the sense of the state of California? It's like two guys can get married. >> Secular marriage is [ __ ] >> Yeah, it is [ __ ] So,

Riley Nimi>> it's stupid. >> That's why I was asking. I'm like, "Oh my, okay, good." Just making sure that you're fine with socially marrying the woman, giving her a ring, staying with her forever, right? And then not Yeah. not financially.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I don't know about the like the the ceremonial stuff. Um, now I don't know. It depends if she's a Christian woman, although I assume she Christian women may have some aversion to marrying

Brian Atlassomeone who's more secular. Although, to be fair, I have pro-Christian sentiment and I believe that marriage makes sense from a religious perspective, but the legal liabilities uh I mean, even for

Brian AtlasChristian men, uh, cannot be ignored. But there's a religious calling to get married which makes sense and is justified but from a purely secular

Brian Atlasperspective it's stupid. Um and then like I don't know to answer your question uh okay well we didn't we didn't get the government involved in

Brian Atlasour relationship but she loves me I love her. If there wasn't a government nothing changes. [ __ ] the government. They don't get to dictate what how we

Brian Atlasfeel feel about each other and you should not be um my ch I suppose to my children you should not feel any uh less

Brian Atlasthan because the the uh your friends at school or whatever uh their their parents are married uh and the state has

Griseldauh sovereignty over their relationship. So my question here is at what point do you call someone your wife if you're not legally married? Like >> I'd probably just call her my girlfriend,

Brian Atlas>> not your partner. >> Partner is kind of gay to be honest. >> That is very to be fair though. At that point, >> to be fair, like I I think partner is uh

Brian AtlasI I don't really some people have objection to the partner term or whatever, but like because I don't want to get married, that could be a good descriptive word to uh you know, girlfriend does seem a bit

Griselda>> sophomoric in a way. >> And you're okay with her also calling you he's my boyfriend, not my husband. >> He's my man. He's my he's my master. Whatever. >> What the hell? No.

Riley Nimi>> I don't know. Yes. In the Bible, it says to call your husband Lord, actually. >> Oh, there you go. >> Wait, Brian, don't you believe in separation of the church and state, though? Like, >> uh, no, I'd be fine with Christian nationalism.

Angelica (DC)>> But do you recognize that that's the government that exists right now? Like, >> our government is influenced by Judeo-Christian values and was founded by >> Judeo-Christian. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You're You're opening up way too many. >> Okay, we don't have to.

Angelica (DC)>> She's like, "No, >> hold on. I I don't know what separation of church and state has. >> It means that we don't have a theocracy. Our government isn't governed by religion. >> But what does that mean? >> Why are gays getting married? If it's marriage is something legally recognized by the government.

Angelica (DC)>> Oh, Natalia. >> And if our government is not run by religion, then the definition of marriage shouldn't be like purely religious either. And secular marriage should therefore be fine and there shouldn't be a huge problem with that.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, wait, wait. So when I say secular marriage is [ __ ] I acknowledge that people can get married absent like a religious ceremony. Um, when I say it's stupid or [ __ ] >> or absent like Christianity and all that, right? >> No.

Angelica (DC)>> Wait, what? >> I would disagree. >> Absent Christianity and >> Well, so so wait, what's your question? >> Well, I'm say Okay, you said that secular marriage is stupid or whatever. >> You you like you're disavowed. >> Yeah, I don't see the point of it like

Angelica (DC)what's the actual point of it? >> Well, like when you get married, there's like legal implications and things that follow, right? Like in terms of I I don't know. I'm not I'm not that old, but like tax stuff, like stuff, health

Angelica (DC)insurance stuff, and also like the level of like commitment when it comes to like a marriage, like calling someone your wife, there is a lot more of a serious implication than saying that they're your girlfriend. And to have that level

Brian Atlasof commitment and trust and partnership is beyond just saying, "Oh, this is my girlfriend for life, even though like we're not religious and we don't want to take it to the next step." >> Yeah, I agree. >> Yeah. I mean, I I suppose um it it's

Brian Atlascreates an additional barrier to separation. Uh I frankly, I don't think that uh a relationship should be built on we're going to stay together because it's going to be difficult for us to get

Brian Atlasout of a relationship we don't otherwise want to be in. That seems like a terrible foundation for a relationship. >> That's what I said, though. >> Well, you that is sort of the commitment argument is it's harder for us to untangle ourselves from each other.

Angelica (DC)Therefore, we should stay together. That's [ __ ] stupid. >> It's more so we made a more serious promise and commitment to each other. >> What's the point of that? >> If the guy ends up being >> to stay together and to have >> to stay together above >> forever. What

Brian Atlas>> is a commitment? A family if they want. >> Well, but so I I would I would say though I actually think in a situation where the man is the bread winner and I actually can sort of like looking at the chess board. You guys might be able to

Brian Atlasturn this around on me if you see the chess pieces. Um, so from my perspective, if I'm willing to date a woman who has makes little or no money,

Brian Atlasuh, one of the objections to me getting married is that this would actually create, uh, an incentive toward for her to go towards ending the relationship because there's a financial

Annaupside. Whereas, if she breaks up with me, like it's the end of the relationship, >> but then she's got no money and now she hasn't worked for 10 years. She stayed at home with the kids. So, what's her incentive? Uh what what do you mean?

Anna>> Well, you're saying that, you know, you don't want to get married because of money, but then what's her incentive to stay and give you seven children when there's no commitment financially? >> There is a commitment. >> That's the thing is that >> I'm going to I'm going to stay with you

Angelica (DC)for for our sake and for the sake of our children. >> Marriage is a self-sacrificial religious institution. And when you go into it from this red pillar feminist perspective, it's like ultimately it's going to look like a negative to whoever's participating in it cuz the

Angelica (DC)woman is going to end up, as you said, having to sacrifice her body, having to sacrifice her time and youth for a man, and the man is going to sacrifice his money, his resources, everything he's worked for. It's like, if you're not willing to trust the other person, marriage is just, you know, >> then you shouldn't have kids with him,

Brian Atlasfor sure. I mean, sure. Yeah. >> No, you can have kids and not want to get married, that's totally fine. >> I don't think that's morally correct. That's flower neither. But from your perspective,

Brian Atlas>> but your your perspective would also be Riley that um any sex outside of marriage is sinful and immoral, right? >> If you're not going to be with them for the rest of your life. Yes. >> No, but even if you are going to be with them for the rest of your life, but

Riley Nimiyou're not married. >> Well, when you have sex outside of marriage is still >> My bad. Somebody was actually talking about like, okay, if you're dating versus married, like what actually constitutes being married? And the

Riley Nimianswer to that is actually sex. That is the actual exact moment when you do get married. Which is why it is such a big deal to be promiscuous and have sex with a bunch of men because you're getting married, divorced, married, divorce, married, divorce, married, divorced spiritually >> and your brain essentially just gets

Brian Atlasruined >> spiritually. No, 100%. I mean, I also disagree with hookup culture just hold on Riley. If that was the case, if it was the case that when you have sex,

Riley Nimiuh, you are married, then what why would there be a need for a formal marriage ceremony? I think for the formal marriage ceremony, that is to show that you're actually serious about it and

Riley Nimiyou're not going to um, how do I put it? It's not I would say that it's security for the girl to know like, okay, we're having this big event where we're telling everybody about us. We're spending a lot of money on it. This is a pretty good chance he's actually being

Riley Nimireal about this. Okay, I'll actually have sex with him because he's probably being genuine about it. I've actually talked about this. >> I have a better I have an idea. I have a better idea. >> Are you a virgin? >> I'm not. No. >> Okay. >> Wait. When it comes to marriage, it was

Brian Atlasa religious >> I have abstained for two years. But trust me, by choice. I just like you. I have women reach out to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's been by choice for two years. Supposed to be a relation. >> But you you are currently in a relationship. >> Yes. >> And so you both have been celibate.

Angelica (DC)>> No sex. >> Oh, okay. >> No sex. Gotcha. Okay. Marriage was supposed to be a religious institution where you had a blessing from the Lord. But then it got absconded by the Enlightenment Age that made it a state material contract about finances and

Brian Atlasproperty contracts. It got perverted and materialized. >> But it used to have the super chat. Yeah. Raw Tomatoes. What? Taff. You heard it. What? What's up? >> That was made a long time ago.

Brian Atlas>> That was when you said you like >> you didn't like you broke up. >> Uh Alan Roach, thanks for the super chat, man. Australian hundred. Uh uh Fosters Australian Fabia. Okay. Um thank you,

Annaman. Appreciate it. I got to move. I'm sorry. Okay. What's your question really quick? >> My question is, are you okay with that mentality in reverse? So, for example, my goals this year is to buy some land. I don't have to pay property taxes in Arkansas. I would like to have my

Annachildren be able to also build on that land. And the reason why I wouldn't want to get married is because my goal is to give my children uh financial wealth, you know, through the years. And I my

Annanumber one priority now is my children. And so I'm opposed to marriage for the same reasons you are, Brian. Are you against that? Like in reverse. Are you against a woman having that same mentality?

Brian Atlas>> Oh no. A woman who's cool with not getting married. I'm totally fine with it. Um I'm totally fine with it. Uh at least from my perspective. But uh do I object to like Christian marriage? No.

Brian AtlasTotally fine with it. Makes perfect sense. Um, but uh I don't really fully understand like why secular people, non-religious people get married. It just seems kind of pointless to be honest. But >> I agree.

Brian Atlas>> Every I I would argue everything that I could have in a marriage, I can have absent marriage. Like for example, I could have somebody who I stay with and who stays with me for the rest of my life. I can have children. So I can have all those things.

Angelica (DC)>> What about health insurance? That's usually the big number for my secular people. That's why succulent people get married is health insurance, property liabilities, trust. >> Babies are expensive to have. >> There's a lot of your wife will be able to get covered if she got

Brian Atlas>> my last pregnancy was $130,000. So you can manage finances. I mean that's just there's a lot of questions arise. >> Wait, but you can still do it together. >> Yeah. So like all that stuff even if I

Brian Atlasgrant that okay perhaps one of the benefits of marriage maybe it it presents uh some financial benefits in in either tax ways or other ways I find that kind of negligible in comparison to

Brian Atlasthe massive financial risk of like uh community property uh we're going to split ass my assets really and uh alimony I think that it's uh huge

Brian Atlasliability for me specifically now look I'll tell you this much. If I meet a woman who makes more than me and I like her, you best believe I'm marrying her.

Brian Atlas>> Would you make her clear okay with women being a boss babe? >> Hold on. I don't No, it's not that. First off, I don't It's okay. It's not that. I'm just saying like that's the

Brian Atlascircumstance under which I would get married would be uh I don't know. She's got a [ __ ] ton of money, more than me anyways. Um or or commensurate. Uh, let's move on to a different topic. Or no, wait. We had to do AI and then we

Brian Atlashad to do we did the bow. Let's do the AI. Okay, here's a fun segment. We've made all of you dudes. Well, I guess Riley, we made him into a woman. >> Uh, so the question is, think of this in your head as you're looking at this.

Brian AtlasWould you date the male version of you? >> Oh, I look so chopped as a man. >> Uh, just yes or no. Would you date him? >> No. >> No. Okay. Next. >> That's Destiny. Would you date him?

GriseldaUh, >> I >> Okay, next. >> K-pop. >> Would you date them? >> Oh, it went away. >> Uh, probably. Yeah. >> Okay. Next. >> How does your husband feel about that?

Lii>> Wow. >> This is so funny. >> Yikes. >> No. >> Okay. >> I'm scared. >> I don't want to see. >> What the >> Oh my gosh. You have >> What is that picture?

Brian Atlas>> You have strong jawline. Why do I look so mean? >> I do. I do have a strong >> Yeah, you look cute. Yeah, I mean, if I wasn't married, sure. >> Aside from the scowl, I feel like if it was a better uh facial expression, you

Brian Atlasknow, I think it'd be a It's probably a good looking dude. >> Next. >> Oh god, no. >> It's not bad. >> This is funny. You're too far from the Skipper. Skipper. Skipper. Skipper.

LiiSkipper. >> I don't know. >> You're a good looking man. Date him. >> Yeah. >> Next. Absolutely not.

Riley Nimi>> You cigar man. >> He looks like he's worth $20 million. >> He does with the beard. He looks like he lives in Orange County. Like come on. Like he does. >> So no. >> Uh no.

Frankie>> Into the mics, guys. >> Uh can I mean I'd give him a chance. >> Okay. Next. >> So sorry. >> Wow. That was racist. >> Wait.

Brian Atlas>> Here. I'll pull it up again. >> It's like a, you know, >> Would you into the mic? Would you date him? >> No, cuz he's black. >> Wait, racist.

Riley Nimi>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He's whiter than you.

Angelica (DC)>> What? >> Wait, what? >> Riley and I have way more in common than we thought. >> Oh [ __ ]

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