HEATED DEBATE! She Got Her Ex DEPORTED?! Excommunicated Mormon/LDS?! Woke E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk 289

Date: 2026-04-06

Duration: 11h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBarbara Adamson >

AAngelica (DC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Joy(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Emily Mack(guest)

SPEAKER_03Frankie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Angelica (DC)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally(guest)

SPEAKER_06Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_09Riley Nimi(guest)

SPEAKER_10Griselda(guest)

SPEAKER_11Barbara Adamson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lii(guest)

SPEAKER_14Hannah(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 13 guests introduce themselves - largest panel ever

Key MomentGriselda reveals she crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor

ControversyRiley proposes shooting anyone who crosses the border

Key MomentAngelica reveals she lied about being engaged - actually married

Key MomentAlly reveals boyfriend strangled her on shrooms, she stayed with him

Key MomentHannah excommunicated from LDS church in high school

Key MomentAnna unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer

OtherLongest Whatever stream ever - approaching 11 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

13 guests including Riley Nimi (conservative), Griselda (Mexican immigrant), Hannah, Anna (Marine vet), and many more. Longest Whatever stream ever (~11 hours).

Griselda Immigration Story

Crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor brought by father. Now has green card through marriage.

Riley Proposes Shooting Border Crossers

Controversial immigration solution sparks strong panel reaction.

Angelica Reveals She Is Actually Married

Lied about being engaged; actually married ~2 years with more money than husband.

Ally Boyfriend Strangled Her on Shrooms

Boyfriend had drug-induced psychosis, strangled her one month into relationship. She stayed.

Hannah LDS Excommunication

Excommunicated from Mormon church in high school for intimacy with boyfriend.

Anna Craigslist Killer Date

Unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer in San Diego.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Panel struggles with basic geography and history. Someone says Hitler ruled Poland.

Show Wrap - Longest Stream Ever

Show wraps after approaching 11 hours.

Transcript

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Angelica (DC)exhausted. And his dad is involved. So dead beat exhausted. >> And you kickstarted it young. That means your reproductive system was already used to it. With a woman trying to start from scratch at like 32,

Angelica (DC)>> hormones are going to be terrible. >> Complications constant. >> We're not going to talk about human trafficking. That's expensive. >> Surrogacy is an industry because of birth control destroying women's uterus.

Riley NimiAlso their brains trafficking. Literally human trafficking. I hate it so much. That's what made me that's what made me rightwing in part. >> Surrogacy is very similar to prostitution. And that's that a woman is selling out her body, becoming mentally

Annatraumatized after doing the job and getting paid a large amount of money. People using a woman's body feminist some people some people want to do that. >> Feminist

Angelica (DC)we should not allow them to. I know women who want to do that, but it's cuz they're poor and they just need the money and they're just so numb that they're like, you know what, I'll just do it for 60k. The moment they give birth, the hormones start to generate

Angelica (DC)and it's like 60k, 80k, 100k, I can't relinquish this baby anymore. There's something dysfunctional. >> It's unhealthy for the baby. >> And not only that, because of the contract, even if she goes back on it, which a lot of women do, she can't go

Riley Nimiback cuz the contract says that that's not your child anymore. >> So, it's terrible. It's a go back. So, you're kind of saying like, "Oh, it's their choice if they want to do that." And so I wanted to ask if I go to like some poor neighborhood in LA and I know somebody's not going to be able to pay their rent on time and they're afraid of

Riley Nimibecoming homeless and I say, "Hey, I want you to eat a bunch of crayons. I'm going to pay you $100. I'm going to live stream it. It's going to be great." Do you think that's immoral for me to do that? Even if they decide, oh yeah, I do want to do that. I am desperate enough for that money.

Angelica (DC)>> Well, yes, it's extortion. >> It absolutely is extortion. But with surrogacy, >> the cases of surrogacy that I've personally seen are like people that are close to a person who can't. So,

Riley Nimi>> do you know the people do you know the woman that was pregnant? Do you know the woman that was pregnant for 9 months and got her child stripped away from her or the woman who got her egg and got her husband's sperm and had some young woman's lives destroyed psychological

Annatrauma? I don't know anybody on a super personal level, but I have heard stories of the pregnant people who care about heard stories. >> Of course, women I I would argue

Angelica (DC)philosophically. Philosophically, is it okay to allow something just because someone consents to it? Is there not a responsibility on society to say it doesn't necessarily

Angelica (DC)>> There is certain circumstances where consent is what matters. >> But what about the maid program for example? People who are mentally not about to let people finish their thought

Angelica (DC)>> when it's not about money. I think that it's perfectly acceptable for consent to be the only >> that's my sister matters or her sister. >> Well, also she's probably not mentally traumatized because now it's her niece. She's able to see her all the time by

Angelica (DC)money or any other kind of power. >> That's different. But what about like something like the maid program where it's not incentivized by money? >> I I don't know what that is. The maid program is something that's becoming more and more popular where they're

Angelica (DC)basically allowing like to self- terminate basically based off of just how you feel. It happened in Spain with this really famous case where a girl was just violated and she Yes. So, and not

Angelica (DC)only that, they harvest your organs before you're fully expired basically. So, in a functional society, in a in a good society, do we allow people who are behaving in a way that can be so easily

Griseldaexploited to behave that way? Absolutely not. Because when you're in that state, that is a mental illness and you need to be treated with care. You can't make it's like it's like when you're in court and you're they're

Angelica (DC)deciding whether or not you're mentally able to like testify or whatever. >> It matters what mental state you're in. >> Do you think we're normalizing mental illness as a means to behave in certain

Annaways, meanwhile stigmatizing common sense so as to facilitate people to hurt themselves and profit from that? We I think we stigmatize mental health a lot as a society. And this goes back to I don't want to bring up the transing again, but when you're like, "Oh, why is

Annathat a mental health?" It's not It's okay to call things mental. I have PTSD. That's a mental health problem. It's okay to say that. >> You have PTSD from from what? >> Marines and the Marines. >> Yeah. >> Huh. Oh, from the from the Marines. >> Did you get paper cuts from the mail?

Anna>> Like what's going on with that? >> I was sexually assaulted. >> Okay. Sorry. Is that okay with you? >> No, I'm sorry. I I didn't know. I mean, you said from the Marines. Do you know how many women are sexually assaulted in the military?

Riley Nimi>> Yeah, that's why the military beeful. >> You can't get mad at me for something I Yeah, that's why you ask and you don't say and then and then and then we're >> Yeah, I did ask her. She said the Marines. She didn't say, "Oh, I was like, what did you cut or something?"

Anna>> Noatter. She said the Marines as in it's from her duty >> to the side of this. >> Well, it was I got attacked by what it is. No matter what the >> And then I was [ __ ] shamed afterwards. Is that okay with you? >> As you were saying, I'm sorry. No matter

Griseldawhat the mental illness is, you have to you you can't just fully let somebody make their own decisions when it is based off of that mental illness. >> Yes.

Angelica (DC)>> Whether it's PTSD or gender dysphoria or any of these things, you you kind of you have to take that into consideration when they're making choices. >> Do you think a woman's natural instinct to give birth and then have it be taken

Brian Atlasaway from her might be a >> Okay, I got to move on. We're off topic here. Um, in any case, a woman's career, money, status, uh, yeah, I think we were just, uh, oh, Riley, you're just making the point of,

Brian Atlasuh, not really caring about a woman's income. Uh, do any women have any objections to this? >> No. >> About men not caring about a woman? >> Yeah. Like for example, I one of the

Brian Atlasquestions or statements is a woman's career money status uh, makes her more attractive to men. Many of you agreed to this. I think generally speaking, men don't really care all that much about a woman's career, her money, or her status in so far as it making her more

Brian Atlasattractive. >> I disagree. >> Some don't, some do. >> I get used a lot. >> Yeah. >> For that. >> Yeah. But it doesn't But they're using you out of a necessity, like a financial necessity, but it doesn't make you more attractive. >> It can though.

Brian Atlas>> So many men have said that it's so attractive that you are like in like independent that >> I'm speaking in generalities. Yeah. There's hobosexual men who >> it shows like hard. It shows that you're hardworking. It shows that you're disciplined. It shows that you like

Brian Atlas>> that's not an attraction trigger. >> If a man wants a hard work, those things can make you a better mother. >> If you have those traits, >> Tiffany, can you get them some water, please? Um, >> yeah. Men don't really care about that. >> Would I like to not work and rely on a

Brian Atlasman? Yes. >> I think men that want to care about those things, but >> no, most men it's not like, "Wow, she's really hardwork." >> Yeah. Men do say this. Like they genuinely don't. >> Yeah. Ambition. We want you ambitious in

Hannahother ways. >> I've never heard a man say that ever. >> Yeah. >> Like ever. >> Guys say exactly what you're saying all the time. >> Say say what? >> Like you want women ambitious in other ways. Like they want somebody who's passionate, has ambition, but it doesn't

Angelica (DC)have to be related directly to like a workforce. >> Ambition for the family, ambition for for me. >> They're not mutually exclusive. >> Loyalty. >> I've heard it I've heard men like basically respect women for their

Angelica (DC)accomplishments, but I've never heard it be a deal breaker for a man. For a woman, it's a deal breaker. >> Understand that. It can it can foster respect and >> it can definitely but also I'm what they're basically saying is this something that in general is like a

Angelica (DC)value system for a woman and it or for a man and it's not it's it's like an added bonus to a man but ultimately if it gets in the way of the relationship it can be an add but I feel like as as a person that is sitting here and they looking at a woman they know that they want to

Angelica (DC)provide for them they don't care >> it can easily for all men I'm saying just both types of men exist a lot of successful men

Angelica (DC)date women who are super low profile. >> Oh, well, most most successful men date in their status. >> Wait, more that doesn't necessarily mean that they make as much money as them.

Angelica (DC)>> No, but they they're basically looking for the pedigree. So, they'll have sex with whatever, but they have to for the status of it basically marry someone within that sphere sphere. But if you have notoriety, like for example, Jeff Bezos, you'll basically date whoever you

Griseldawant cuz you're in another level. >> It's more about attraction and who you want to live your life with. When you're successful, you're not looking for somebody who's also successful. It's more about >> who you can parent with. >> Well, I can agree with that, too. Who

Annayou can build a life with, who you're attracted to. The amount of men that I'm like, I do not need him. Goodbye. And like I've given up on relationships because I physically like literally do not need them is well, it's kind of

Annafreeing, but also at the same time, then that's exactly >> Well, what is it? >> He's just cautious. >> No, it is unattractive for a woman to be independent. Well, what if we have to be independent? I was going to say in all seriousness, how

Anna>> Yeah. Do you want me to live off the government? I'm over here like not living off the government, paying into the government for a woman attractive. >> I pay I pay high taxes. >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on.

Riley Nimi>> There we go. >> All right. I'm going to answer the questions. I heard about half of them. You guys were yapping a lot. Um, so basically earlier all of you guys were saying, "Oh yeah, a man likes a woman who's dependent." And you're like, "Mhm. Mhm. Mhm." And then I'm like, "A man

Riley Nimidoesn't like a woman who's independent." And you're like, "And eight of you started talking all at once." Like, it's actually [ __ ] cuz I said the exact same thing phrased in a different way. And then you guys lose your absolute crap. So when a woman is independent, it

Riley Nimishows like, wait, why is she so independent? Maybe her father didn't provide for her. Maybe she has family issues. Why is she so independent? Is she going to be the one who provides? There's obviously something not psychologically there that'll make her a great traditional stay at home mom. So that's why men don't find independent

Riley Nimiwomen attractive because it shows that they had some type of trauma as a child or a teenager or a young adult that makes them not want to be with that woman because guess what? Men like women who have the least amount of trauma possible. >> So do you want them to be codependent? Would that be attractive to you or like nice you want them to be codependent or

Angelica (DC)independent? >> But I would also say >> you want me to you man but you don't like clingy women. So most men don't like >> he doesn't even say anything about clingy about that. It's like just saying he doesn't want an independent woman. So he must want a woman that's old. He's

SPEAKER_08not looking for someone. >> Shut the [ __ ] up. One person at a [ __ ] time. How many times do I got to [ __ ] tell you guys? >> God damn. Shut up. >> One at a [ __ ] time. Okay. God damn.

Angelica (DC)>> Come back to the table. Right. >> Yeah. Riley Riley is 21 years old. He's not at that level where he's thinking like, oh, this and that. He's looking for the ideal partner. He's set himself up correctly. He's basically raised himself to have a career. He's done everything the right way. When it comes

Angelica (DC)to someone who's had a difficult life, when they're older, they're going to look for someone else who can understand that. They don't want to marry someone like Riley where it's like, you're not going to understand this life. >> That's how I feel cuz I'm like, I would love to be dependent on somebody, but I

HannahI feel like I was put in a position where I I have to be rely on my kids. I have kids. Like there's no way like I think it would be unattractive if I was not independent as a mom. and you're on welfare and like you should find a man

Angelica (DC)that is going to be someone who's wounded by a similar experience and will understand that pain and compliment you and give you that life that you've always sought. I've seen that happen before I think there's a complete difference between saying that you're dependent or

Frankieindependent and being codependent. Codependent is like a partnership. It's not completely dependent on someone. It's not trying to push someone else away from you at the same time. >> There are different types of dependency.

GriseldaLike you can be like financially dependent on someone while still being able to handle yourself emotionally. Being able to >> I would I would want my wife to be somewhat emotionally dependent on me somewhat

Griselda>> like to ask you every time she has a feeling and wants to ask just to run it by >> just somewhat maybe about half but with financials uh entirely. Yeah. Listen, just and just to be clear, there's

Annanothing wrong with your stance. And in fact, I agree with your stance. But some women like me and Hannah, >> we have to provide for our children. Okay? I'm 41 years old. I don't want to rely on mommy and daddy. Why? So they

Annacan also control me. No thank you. I also like nice things. I like to travel. I just like those things in life. And I if I'm going to be sitting around waiting on Prince Charming, I'm not going to be getting those things. So >> I'm to be honest, it's because you're in

Angelica (DC)your 40s. That's why it won't happen. Riley said you want that Prince Charming is not going to climb. >> I don't want Prince Charming. Is that okay? >> I was going to say you want her to be emotionally dependent on you. You want her to be financially dependent on you. Cool. I understand that's your preference. What if you like obviously

Angelica (DC)this isn't the case, but you turn out to be this evil person. You [ __ ] her over. You cheat on her. >> And it's not always a self I'm not saying you are. I'm I'm not talking about you as a person as an individual. I'm just saying in a hypothetical the man does that. And it's not always a self-fulfilling prophecy. >> Yeah. But what if he's not like Riley

Angelica (DC)doesn't strike me as a man who's going to cheat on his wife. He's been thinking about her needs and wanting to prioritize her, whatever. So there's plenty of men who are going to give her that there's plenty of good men. There's plenty of bad men. >> You can maybe you could rephrase it in a way and there's plenty of bad women too.

Riley NimiYou can rephrase it in a way that maybe like oh what if a girl who's you know dependent on the man then the man cheats on her instead of bringing up me into it. >> I was not actually ever about you. >> No no I know I know I know I'm just being technical on her um just like

Angelica (DC)turns out to be like a really bad person isn't a good father. Like there's so many different factors that can make a man not a good candidate. You know sometimes in life you have to roll the dice. I'm still talking. Suddenly she's in a position where

Anna>> like what's she going to do? She has a kid. She's got to worry about all that. >> You just said, "Oh, I'm still talking." I've probably been the nicest with not interrupting people. >> Me wasn't. >> You asked me if my PTSD came from a paper cut.

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah, but that wasn't an interruption. >> Okay. Well, me saying I'm I'm still talking was >> You're still salty about that. That had nothing to do with women. >> Well, she was talking and while she was talking that was a good reminder. >> Yeah, whatever.

Angelica (DC)>> That was a good reminder. It was good. Well, it's also like a stereotype. Your >> turn. I don't think it was a bad thing at all. >> To be completely transparent, I did tell a fib in my relationship status. I'm not engaged. I've actually been married. I

Angelica (DC)am a married woman. I have way more money than my husband does. Way more money. I did not get a prenup. Namely, because I have full trust in my husband. If he betrays me, then sure, that'll be agony. But at the end of the day, when

Angelica (DC)you get married, you have to give them full trust. Otherwise, why are you getting married to them? Okay. But has so much more trust in each other. >> You have to look for the qualities that you need in a spouse. You need to look

Annafor a man who's going to be a good husband, a good father. >> Sometimes you go and that's what happened with my acting like men don't pretend to be good people and then just >> No. Can you repeat it again?

Angelica (DC)>> One has a lot more to be in that situation like financially in terms. >> And what happened to your parents? I mean, I I don't really like airing this out in public, but >> you just mentioned I understand. But my

Angelica (DC)my dad was the perfect husband. He showed up in every way necessary and then >> he cheated on her. >> So then he's not the perfect husband. >> Yeah. But up until that point, everything was perfect, >> right? >> Okay.

Angelica (DC)>> I'm sorry, girl. I'm very sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. People really hard. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. >> It's okay. I'm so sorry. >> That's the thing. The thing is that when it comes to men like that, it's like if they're careerdriven, and I argue that

Angelica (DC)for the same thing for men. If they're careerdriven or materialist driven, saying, "I'm going to provide this for a woman," then yeah, they might think an indiscretion is okay because they provide whatever. That's actually what happened with my grandpa. It super

Angelica (DC)traumatized my mom too much. But still, I'm like, if a man doesn't prioritize family, if his conviction is not, I want to do this for my wife, for my children, then that's not a good man. If he's saying, "I want to do this because

Hannahthat's how you get women," then that's kind of an indication of he's going to look around and justify himself. >> People change. I think it's just hard because people change. Like I I to this day will say, "I think I married the right guy." I will stand by that. I

Angelica (DC)think that he changed and I think that that affected me and my kids. >> He was a different man 20 years later than when she first married him. >> I really don't think people change. I think they just get revealed. When they get revealed

Angelica (DC)will manifest it, especially if there's money in the equation. Money will make the worst toxic qualities out of you come out. So if a woman is throwing it wasn't money, it was loneliness like and it is for a lot of men. They'll >> cuz they're lonely. >> I know. >> When it comes to marriage loneliness

Griseldaepidemic, >> no. >> When it comes to marriage before people are getting married, they are asking the wrong questions. They're not asking the right questions or at least before they

Griseldaget married to know if those people align. So that's when people are getting revealed as this person you didn't think they were because you weren't asking the right question. >> Got to move it on. Got to move it on. Sorry. Sorry.

Angelica (DC)>> Exactly. Hold on. >> My mother asked all the right questions. >> Yo, Shono, read this for us, please. We have a chat >> coming through. >> Thank you, Ty. >> Big fan. Brian, I'm from Andrew's fan base. Just wanted to say that I say I

Brian Atlaskeep to myself, but want to give Chair One her props for standing her ground and always returning. She's dope. >> All right. Nice little comment for you there, Shaa. Uh, thank you, Ty. Appreciate it. Uh, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you

Angelica (DC)would date? >> I'm 5'4 or almost 5'5, actually. Um, minimum height 5'7. >> Okay. Uh, you have you ever had a boyfriend? >> No. >> Okay. What about you? >> I'm 5'1 and the minimum I would say probably 5'7.

Abby>> Okay. How tall You're in a relationship, right? Or you're married? >> I'm married. >> Uh, how tall is your husband? >> He's 59. >> Okay. What about you? Um, I'm 5'6 and the shortest I guess I'll go is 5'7,

Griselda5'8. >> And you're also married? >> Yes. >> Uh, how tall is your husband? >> Uh, 5'9. >> Okay. What about you?

Griselda>> I'm 5'6 and I wouldn't really say I have a minimum. I mean, I I think I put 5'2. Yeah. But doesn't matter to me. >> Okay. How tall is your boyfriend or whatever? I

Brian Atlas>> think he's 5'9. >> Okay. What about you? >> Uh, I'm 5'6. I think I put 57. >> And you're married or? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. How tall is he?

Emily Mack>> He's 6 foot. >> Okay. What about you? >> I'm 5'5. I can't remember. I put 510 or 5'11. Either one for me. And my fiance is 6' 3. >> Okay.

Frankie>> I got lucky. All right. >> Um, I'm 5'3 and a half and my partner is 510 and I think I put 5'9. >> Mhm. Yeah. You >> uh I'm 5'8. I mean, height is great

Brian Atlasbecause it makes me feel more feminine, but I dated a guy that was 5'9. >> You You say that as if to be 5'9, which is the average male height, as if it's >> No, I think I'm taller for a woman. So,

HannahI'm saying I like I like to h like it would be nice a good preference to have somebody taller just because it makes me feel more feminine. But my first boyfriend after my divorce was 5'9 and that wasn't like >> but it seemed like that's a deficit even

Hannahthough you would like it's >> well cuz I do want to feel feminine. I do want to feel like >> I think it's fair. >> You want to feel small tower. >> What about you?

Anna>> Uh I'm 51 so like I think I put 5'6. >> Okay. Next. I'm 5'6, 5'7 depending on my hip placement of the day. Um, but I like short kings. I'll d I've dated short kings before. Um,

Brian Atlas>> okay. Next. >> 5'5, 5'7. >> All right, Riley, do you have any height preferences or >> just uh probably shorter than 5'8 or 5'8 and shorter? >> How tall are you? >> Dang it. Right.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, okay. >> I'm just kidding. >> Yeah, I don't really uh >> What about you, Brian? Oh, I mean I don't really have a massive high preference. I'll date shorter. I'll I'll even date taller. I guess some men have an apprehension to dating like like

Brian Atlaswomen who are >> much taller. >> Much uh I think men some men might have an apprehension to dating taller women, but I I don't care. It make for better athletes, I guess.

Brian Atlas>> Like bigger bigger sons. That's always a good thing. Uh, but like in terms of like general attraction, I would say have a general attraction to petite

Brian Atlaswomen. But for Suns, like give me like a 6'5. Just [ __ ] >> not linebacker. >> Not fat, but like a thick.

Brian Atlas>> She's She's sturdy >> for the children. >> For the children. >> For the sake of the children. >> Childbearing hips.

Brian Atlas>> I'll I'll sacrifice. I'll sacrifice my like uh actual interests, like my actual preferential attraction for the sake of

Brian Atlashaving warrior children, I guess. Um, let's see here. Any disagreements with the show, Shona? Yeah. Uh, you you think they push the narrative against women

Griseldatoo much, says Griselda. Uh, okay. What do you mean by that? Um, I have followed the show for a while and I just feel like sometimes they push

Griseldait too much, you know, especially you >> uh, give me an example. >> Uh, I don't know. Just earlier probably when you were saying that you know that

Griseldayou wouldn't well also him that you wouldn't date someone that makes more money than you. Like I feel like like if you know a woman making more money disqualifies her or like makes her

Brian Atlasunattractive. I think that's I don't know. That's I find that weird. >> Uh okay. So, um I guess we can probably do split here. >> Uh well, one I I didn't quite state

Brian Atlasthat. That was Riley's position. Um so, >> wait, can you restate the the question? Can you

Brian Atlas>> I I'm going to reject your request. So, anyways, back to this. Um, so yeah, I I don't think it's wrong for a

Brian Atlasman to have a preference on a woman's income. And if that means like he just doesn't care at all about her income, I think that's totally fine. I don't

Brian Atlasthink, mind you though, you wrote this before the show started before this revealed conversation. Um, I don't see how that would be a narrative against women. It almost seems like it's

Brian Atlasactually a privileged position for women to be in for men to be willing to take on essentially the entire financial burden uh in a relationship. That actually seems like that's to the benefit of women.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I feel like some woman might appreciate that. I don't because like she said, I'm very independent. I mean, >> okay. So, a billionaire comes along and he's like, "A condition of you being with me, let's assume he meets all your

Brian Atlasother criteria, is you have to stop working. Do you take the deal?" No. Who? >> That's [ __ ] I'm sorry. That's so [ __ ] So, even as a man where I have like a sort of there's a biological

Brian Atlasimperative to provide. >> If a like a billionaire woman comes to me is like, "Hey, Brian, uh, yeah, I'll be with you." And so, she meets all my and she meets all my other criteria and she's like, "Hey, I'm a billionaire. You

Brian Atlasdon't have to work. Let's just like [ __ ] me all day and take care of the children." >> I'm taking the [ __ ] deal. Like, I'm taking that deal. But it's amazing to me that women where your biological imperative isn't even to provide. >> I wouldn't I would get super [ __ ]

Griseldabored. >> What do you do for work? >> I I actually I'm a business owner. I mean I do everything. >> Okay. You're a business. What business do you own? >> Uh I own two vegan restaurants. >> You own vegan restaurants? >> Yes. >> Just be clear. Serious.

Brian Atlas>> By the way, restaurant business, I understand, is is a lot of work. It's stressful. >> Uh and you own two of them. Two restaurants. a billionaire man comes along. >> No, vegans don't play.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. We don't >> Well, I mean, if a billionaire man was in the picture, you could do you could go way further with your vegan activism than owning two restaurants, but um

Angelica (DC)>> but wait, Brian, I have a question for you. Do you ever have like like for example like for me during the summer like you you have a block of time where you have nothing to do, no routine, no productivity, nothing that you're working towards and feel really like

Brian Atlasintellectually under stimulated. >> Intellectually under stimulated >> or just like you like sometimes productivity actually feels really good. >> I mean my goal is to be pumping out like seven children. Uh you know >> how many do you have?

Brian Atlas>> Huh? >> How many do you have? Well, you know, I'm a little I'm a little lack slacking on that, but uh I it's in the it's in the works, but >> you have 30 years. >> I got some time. I got some time to do it. But, uh

Brian Atlas>> I mean, my my whoever I'm going to end up with, she's going to have she's going to be plenty preoccupied with the children, and I honestly want her to be homeschooling them. So, she's going to have them.

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah. No, I'm not going to send them to the school to get transed. Um Um >> If I could homeschool, I would. I agree. Is raising children not productive? >> I'm saying like it is productive, but

Angelica (DC)some women like might have aspirations beyond that and still >> and also like before the time that they're having children or after the time as their children >> closer to the mic. Closer to the mic. I mean, you've just been propagandized

Angelica (DC)this idea that I genuinely have this desire to work one day. Like >> really? Why? Where did you get that desire? >> Because I I want to go into healthcare. I want to contribute to the healthare system. >> Why? Why so much? >> Because it's interesting to me. >> Who taught you that? And I care about it.

Riley Nimi>> Who taught you to want that? >> No one taught me that. >> It is instilled in your biology to want to have children and to raise children. It is not instilled in your biology to have some boss lady career. >> But not every desire that humans have is

Annainstilled into their biology. >> What do you think about me not taking purposely cuz my ex-husband is a millionaire and I could take a lot of money from him and I don't. >> What do you think about that? >> Why are you bringing that up? You love to bring

Anna>> I'll get it there. I'll get there in a second. What do you think about that? >> I I mean that seems somewhat noble of you. >> Okay. So then so that in some terms you're okay with independent women cuz I said it's because I'm independent that I'm able to do that. Going back to the

Angelica (DC)Gela point, I think the reason Grisella's not going to date a billionaire is because passionately speaking, she wants a man who's going to give her that electricity. And it's like that's what she's biologically wired to do. She doesn't want a man that's just going to give her money. She wants a man that's going to give her passion.

Brian Atlas>> I really don't. I mean I again I can >> It's just like pragmatically super [ __ ] That's like like I have like >> uh a passion for, you know, espousing

Brian Atlassome of this [ __ ] but if some like super hot big labia billionaire woman comes along and she's like, "Brian, give me seven children." Uh but hey, look, um I want you to be an active father and like this podcast. Look, you're

Brian Atlassuccessful. Maybe you make like seven figures a year or whatever, but like, you know, come on. >> Sweep that off the table. I thought you wanted a woman. >> I'm taking the [ __ ] deal. Like, I'm taking the [ __ ] deal. So, if it's a woman with a big labia, let's say, who's

Angelica (DC)going to approve >> cancel everything you if there's if it's a woman with a big labia that meets all of your physical and lust requirements, would you choose that over a billionaire woman? >> So, wait. Okay. The two it's she has a big labia, but she's broke.

Angelica (DC)>> Yes. >> Or uh >> she's a billionaire who's going to sweep you off your feet. She's going to say, "You know what? You've ever seen this podcast. I'll take you away from it." You're going to choose what's going to make you feel emotionally like this is what I want. What do you Here I'll give you my answer, but what do you think I'm going

Angelica (DC)to pick? >> Big labia. >> Nope. >> That's crazy. >> Deny yourself. >> Everything you just said has been you have the option to just lay back, >> bro. But yeah, like look, I like a woman

Riley Nimiwith big labia, but like >> with how long is that going to last? >> I don't think you Well, it's going to get longer over >> unless you have a labia plastic. But Brian, let me ask you if you found this

Riley Nimimiracle billionaire woman with a gigantic labia. >> What would you do if you're married? You have seven children with her. >> Wow. >> You have seven children with her. Very attractive. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> You have seven children with this billionaire woman with a gigantic labia,

Brian Atlaseven bigger than her bank account. >> Yeah. >> What would you do if she got a laboplasty after you had children? >> Oh, and it was bothering me. >> I would I would be a conversation. this

Brian Atlaswould be a conversation and I would I would strongly guide her away from it and you know given the uh type of relationship dynamic I want I would hope she would defer to my leadership uh on

Brian Atlasthis particular issue but you're I'm assuming in the hypothetical granting that she's going to do it regardless. >> Yes. Yes. Exactly. >> Uh she's a billionaire.

Anna>> Yes. Yes. I thought I thought you didn't like

Riley Nimiyou do like a boss babe. >> If a woman if a woman were to get a labyrin if a woman were to get a laboplasty, would you prefer that it's a reduction or or an increase? And this increase would go to 6 in. >> No woman would.

Riley Nimi>> Which would you prefer? >> I don't think they have the the I I don't think they actually I mean they could Which one would you prefer? A labia. Totally getting rid of it. Like female genital mut mutilation. Just a

Riley Nimihole there. Two holes. >> Or would you prefer them to get an extension? Would you prefer them to get an extension? Make it 6 in. >> Oh my god. >> Wait. So this is just about This is a labia question. Yes. >> Yes. >> Oh god.

Brian Atlas>> You're the labia guy. Half. >> I don't think they can. I don't know if they can even do extensions. >> They put deli ham slices. >> Extension. >> You'd go for the extension. >> I'd take the kind of be like a Botox. Brian, >> it would just be weird. Like, but if I

Riley Nimihad an >> For real, you really would. You really would. >> Between So, so she gets the labial plasty and she has an innie versus she had an Audi, but then the Audi's >> I'm not talking an innie. I'm talking like female genital mutilation. Like, there's two holes there left over.

Brian AtlasThat's it. >> Yeah. There's no lips. >> Yeah. Yeah. Nothing. >> I mean, stars do that. >> The extension. I'll take the extension. >> The 6- in extension. >> I take it, bro. I take it back into a knot. Raise your hand if you think that's gay.

Anna>> I'll tie it into a >> He wants to dive into it. >> Wait, if what gay? >> What's gay? >> Do you think that's gay? >> 6 in labia. >> No, not at all. >> It's definitely more [ __ ] different [ __ ]

Anna>> Oh my god. >> Women get yeast infections from gigantic labas. Women get a lot problems. >> I don't think it's going to look like >> So [ __ ] does rule the world then.

Brian Atlas>> I almost feel like it's gay. Wait, wait. >> It's gay to not like Audi's >> cuz it's like >> labia. Are you talking about labia? >> Now, now it's just like >> never mind. I'm not going to go there. It's

Brian Atlas>> Is it an Audi a sign of higher testosterone on average? >> It You know what? I have some theories. Like for example, I've noticed sometimes women who have a bit more body hair,

Angelica (DC)like some arm hair, I look at them, I'm like, >> "No, this is >> she might have she might have an Audi." Like >> this is from personal experience, not from looking. >> I have some theories, you know. >> Well, typically when it comes to

Angelica (DC)highowered men in stressful positions, which I would qualify Brian as being in, he likes dominant women who are just going to take control from him. So by that makes sense for the lobby. He just said he wants a woman to defer to him to

Angelica (DC)be submissive. >> He could say that. But the big lobby, hairy arms, maybe she has to be by the holiday.

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah, but it's a billionaire. >> It's not a lo like a hotel lobby. Labia still subject. >> It's still a woman subject matter. It

Angelica (DC)doesn't make it gay. It's still >> It's not gay. I argue that. It's not gay. But what I'm saying is if you want a woman with extra testosterone and you're in a high control group, typically men who are in those high

Angelica (DC)positions like dominant women because it gives them a dominant women with a million a billionaire. >> Why you don't like actually true? You said you would be with a billionaire woman over the love of >> This isn't this isn't contrary to my

Riley Nimiposition. >> It is very much a feminis billionaire is an exception, not the rule. >> Hold on. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, you just said you don't like

Brian Atlasyou guys are attributing like things that don't even exist. First off, recall when I said she's a billionaire, but she meets my other metrics, right? So, like my other metrics would be like she defers to my leadership. She she's

Brian Atlassubmissive, etc. So, no, I don't have an attraction to dominant women. I find them quite off-putting. Uh, >> is independent dominant though? Like, if you're an independent woman, >> we were talking about dominant. Her claim was dominant women.

Angelica (DC)>> Would you like a woman with a bigger lobby than your gender?

Brian Atlaslady. >> I swear you just started saying that. >> She can. She can. >> I'm fine with that. I mean, that'd be pretty That's like some world record [ __ ] labia, though.

Anna>> Wait, have you ever heard Have you ever heard of an OTO or a Pshot? >> Shot. >> Yeah. I'm I'm wondering what you think about O shots and P shots. >> I don't know what that is.

Anna>> So, it's you get your blood draw and dare I say, I've had this done. You get your blood drawn and they separate the plasma from the blood and the plasma has

Annastem cells and you if you're a man you inject the tip. If you're a woman you inject the [ __ ] and the vaginal walls and it's supposed to make you orgasm 100 times better. How you got the big labia? >> You did this? >> No, this was this I got this after the

Annalabia plastic. >> Is that real? >> That's a real thing. >> That's a real thing. Yep. And it works. >> Okay. You got it? >> I don't know. >> I got it done. >> Oh, damn. What What are your thoughts? Where were we? I totally forgot where we were. I don't even know. We're talking

Annaabout height. >> We were talking about height. >> What are the pros to this >> dating requirements? >> What about birth control? >> Disagree. >> What about it? >> I'm saying it goes to hormone and all this stuff. It's

Riley Nimi>> But it prevents accidental pregnancy which under your world you would I would assume. >> Okay. >> What's that? >> Birth control debate. >> Yeah. Uh for a few minutes. All right. >> Non hormonal is okay. >> So uh essentially birth control changes the type of man that a woman finds

Riley Nimiattractive. So, like let's say you're on birth control when you're in high school. You meet a guy. He's great. He's so nice. He, you know, he's only 5 foot8, but whatever. You know, you find him. He's a nice guy. He's going to be a computer scientist or whatever. You get married to him. Then you're like 28 years old. And you're like, "Hey, let's

Riley Nimihave some kids." So, you get off birth control. And then what happens is when you get off that birth control to have kids or whatever, your your natural state of what you find attractive will then shift to a more masculine type of guy. So then when you have like two kids

Riley Nimialready, you're like, "Crap, I haven't found my husband attractive in like 5 years, but gez, Tyrone from high school being very, you know, high testosterone or whatever, he's very attractive. I'm going to go cheat on my husband. I'm going to get a divorce with my husband.

Brian AtlasHe's a wimp." >> I think it's a crazy reach to say that happens when so the Yeah. Yeah. the the phenomenon that that Riley's talking

Brian Atlasabout and that she's agreeing with is that when women are taking hormonal uh birth control, they have done studies on this and I think I I'm not sure the exact methodology, but they'll like show

Brian Atlasuh women picture uh faces uh pictures of faces of men and they'll use like men who have more feminine characteristics versus men who have more masculine characteristics. And when women are on

Brian Atlasbirth control, they actually find men who have more like feminine soft features uh more attractive when they're on hormonal birth control. >> Attraction would completely like plummet

Brian Atlasto the ground and do a 180. >> But I don't think the claim is it's like okay, they know like it's to degrees. >> Yeah, I don't think birth control does what I'm saying. >> Yes, I think birth control should be

Riley Nimibanned. Also, birth control causes an abortion at a very early stage at around 5 days. So essentially, you can still conceive when you're on birth control. The main uh the main function of birth control is to prevent uh ovulation. The secondary function of birth control is

Riley Nimithat if you do conceive, it'll thin the lining of your uterine wall so much that the conceived egg can not um implant on the uterine wall. So for that reason, birth control should be banned because it is murder, because abortion is murder. It's quite common sense

Riley Nimiactually. And then the other reason is because it makes women uh want to divorce their husbands. So, if you actually look at the birth control usage rates in uh divorce rates, they actually perfectly coincide with like a three-year delay, it is perfectly

Riley Nimicoincided. If you look at divorce rates in America from like 1960 to um modern day to uh birth control rates from 1960 to modern day, perfectly coincides with it. And so, uh yeah, birth control changes the type of man that you find

Riley Nimiattractive. So, when you get on it or off of it while you're with a guy or married to him, there's a really likely chance that you will um not find him attractive anymore. And that's the main reason why the majority of divorces are initiated by women nowadays.

Barbara Adamson>> I have an argument against birth control from a different position. Me too. >> Can I voice it? Yeah. So um birth control when it was uh popularized it actually people thought well this will

Barbara Adamsondecrease the need for abortion. This will eliminate people prevent pregnancies. But the reality is once the birth control pill was introduced uh people started having way more casual

Barbara Adamsonsex. So much so that abortion rates actually rose like exponentially because people were having so much more casual sex. >> Birth control is abortion anyways. >> I also Well, even if you're not defining it that way, I'm just >> $200.

SPEAKER_07>> Yo, Sam, >> why is Chen such a yapper? I can tell she caused most of her problem. >> Tamu Charlie Kirk over here somehow making viewers less space.

SPEAKER_07>> W Hannah, as always, we got you some steak plaza. Finish up quick. Here's number 10. >> Wait, what? >> Uh, that's you. >> I didn't understand what he said. >> He said that. Well, >> yeah, he said,

Brian Atlas>> "Right, your insult your insult was worse, though, not going to lie." >> Well, can I come at the birth control argument from another perspective? I >> You know what? I'm going to actually let Riley just have his word on that. And I got to move it on for the sake of time.

Brian AtlasUh, downdraft around the table. Who would be okay with a 5'8, 80k a year, good father and role model, but you never have to work and can do whatever you want as long as you submit to him? Would you be willing to do that knowing

Frankiethat if you don't then he will see other women that are willing to submit? >> I mean, that sounds chill. >> Uh, no. >> What does he mean by submit? Like >> if he's a Christian? >> Yeah. >> Is it just like sexually or like I don't

Brian Atlasknow what that refer to him in >> I mean overall I would just say yes. That sounds good to me. It's it's basically just like um he's he's a good father. Uh he's 5'8. He makes 80k a year. Uh >> he's only cheating if you're not

Angelica (DC)submitting though. >> But that's the thing. Why would he be cheating in the first place? >> Father. Exactly. That's not a good father. >> If he's not happy with you, then he should just end the relationship. Not >> cheating. Well, cheating need to come. >> He could technically be a good father.

Angelica (DC)>> No, be a cheater. >> How is that a good cheatingffect father? Cheating >> affects the child if she doesn't find out. But aren't you supposed to like set an example like he's not a good father.

Brian Atlas>> Cheating is bad. Cheating is bad. Don't do it. But technically >> Shauna and I 100% on this. No, you can't be a good father and cheat at all. He betrayed the home. >> A good father cannot cheat. >> No, a good father cannot cheat. Correct.

Hannah>> Your father is not good. >> Why would you That's not >> for doing that. Yeah, that's why I I lost >> I think you can be a good good parent and a bad spouse. I think I think >> Well, if you're a good parent, you wouldn't hurt the other spouse. Like if

Annayou're a good mother, you take care of the father. And if you're a good father, take care of the good mother. >> I also I also believe people can change. My ex My ex-husband was a dick, but he was young. He was stupid. Now he's a good >> Let's get back to this. So, >> but I want to clarify like now my father

Brian Atlasis a good father and I don't want to like talk. >> That's good. That's good. So anyways, uh we were you were saying the narrative against women you that's what you disagree with? They push. >> Yeah. I just feel like in general I have

Griseldalike I said have been watching the podcast for a while. I just feel like, you know, even though I lean more, you know, I'm anti-feminist type of thing. Uh, but yeah, I feel like sometimes they push the narrative too much against

Griseldawoman somehow, you know. >> Okay. How so? you know, I don't have this dead sacked, how can I say dead sack thing to say at this point, but I feel like, you know, watching the show through some months, probably like years

Brian Atlasnow, >> uh, I have seen that. And >> I mean, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I'm not I mean if you're not willing or able to articulate

Brian Atlas>> what precisely the narrative against women is that I am pushing it's hard for me to engage with that. I'm not going to make your arguments for you. >> That's fine. >> Uh so is there anything that you can

Brian Atlaspoint to that would be indicative of the narrative against women that is pushed by me? >> Um not really at this point. I mean there's so many ideas floating that Yeah. No, we've been talking for a while. No, I don't have anything

Griselda>> really. >> Yeah. >> So that there's nothing. >> No, I mean like I said, it just feels on my perspective that, you know, watching

Griseldathe show through several years. I feel now, yeah, that's how it feels that there's a lot of negativity towards women in general, you know, watching several episodes. >> Okay. What is the negative negativity

Griseldatowards women? I I just feel like, you know, like I have seen a couple of things where you say that women should be submissive. >> How would that be negative? >> I feel like a I mean I'm not submissive

Griseldaat all. And I don't think I'm not trying to date you though. >> No, but I I don't think women should be submissive. I feel like in a relationship we should be an equal. >> Well, define in your terms define

Griseldasubmissive, I guess. Well, submissive for me will be, you know, try kind of like if the man tells her not to work and she agrees to that. I feel like that

Griseldathat can that can be seen a little bit as submissive and I I personally like I the question before that you said that if I the question before that you asked me if

GriseldaI will be willing to you know leave my work and data I mean or marry and billion I wouldn't do it because I'm not submissive. I mean, I think I'm an independent woman. I think I can do everything for myself. So, yeah, I think yeah, I'm against being submissive to

Brian Atlastowards a man. >> Okay. So, in your questionnaire here, you circled the following that you agree with the following statements. Men should provide, protect, men should be chivalous. Husbands should be willing to die protecting you. >> Yes. >> Take the bullet. Um,

Brian Atlas>> absolutely. >> Okay. So don't you think so is it what if it's wrong for me to say women should be submissive, why is it not wrong for

Brian Atlasyou to say that men should provide, men should protect, men should be chivalous, and that the husband should be willing to die protecting you? It seems like it's a bigger call to sacrifice, a bigger call to action to say men should

Brian Atlasbe willing to die than to simply say women should follow their husband's lead, boyfriend's lead, be submissive. That seems like a bigger >> Well, I still kind of follow my husband's lead, but I I wouldn't be submissive. I just think it's a, you know,

Anna>> submissive is >> I think it's the word that you guys don't I think people are hung up on the word submissive and they think it's like Susie Homemaker 1950s like

Annait's not like just means like letting the man lead and we want a manly man to take lead. That's basically >> it also just means deferring to his >> his authority, his judgment, his

Griseldaleadership, his authority. >> I disagree because in in my marriage at least we take 50/50. I mean I feel like a marriage should be 50/50 on this preference. >> You say that women say that they want

Brian Atlas50/50 but let me ask when you went on a first date with him who paid for the date? >> Uh he did. >> How about uh the sub suck subsequent dates? Who paid for them? >> He did.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Okay. And then in terms of the contribution to the current household, is it 50/50? >> It is 50/50. >> It's 50/50 now. >> Exactly. 5050. >> I mean, basically, you know, he has a

Griseldajob uh you know, outside of the restaurants that we own. And yeah, but I mean, he pays for things. I pay for >> He pays for stuff in the restaurant. So, he's subsidizing your restaurant. >> It's a cultural difference, though, cuz like within Hispanic culture, the

Angelica (DC)element of wanting that passionate love, which involves a lot of like toxic elements, is what's prioritized. >> Hold on. So, okay, back to this. So, are you saying that uh like who financed

Brian Atlasyour business? Was it strictly you? >> No, it was between me and him >> mutually. Okay. So, but prior to starting your business, you both worked. >> Yes. I I used to work for him. That's

Brian Atlashow we met. >> So, I'm assuming if he worked or you worked for him, I'm assuming he was earning more than you. >> Yes. At that point, yes. And now you co-own a business together.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Which he funded given that he was the primary was the bread winner. >> No. No. Because I also >> You worked for him? >> Yes. I also had savings. >> Usually the boss typically makes more

Griseldamoney than the employee typically. >> No. Typically, but I also had money saved. I opened I we opened the restaurants when it was co I mean >> can I ask you a question? >> Uh-huh. >> Have you ever had to get money from his career and inject it into the business's

Riley Nimibank account? Did you not make enough sales? Has that ever happened? >> That that has happened. Yes, >> that has. Okay. I thought I thought it was a little fishy when a woman mentioned that she owns a business. I thought it was a little fishy. >> Has he ever had to like get money from you in some way for something else as well?

Brian Atlas>> Also, yeah. So, >> doesn't let you out. But again, it it evens out because again, we're married. >> Why didn't you pay for the date? Why didn't you go 50/50 on the date? I thought men and women are equal. >> Well, because again, I believed, you know, on first dates and all that, men should pay.

Brian Atlas>> Did he ask you? >> Yeah, but but he didn't. >> He asked me out. Yes, that doesn't matter. So, um, >> why it doesn't matter? >> Because women don't ask out men. >> But if you asked him out, would you ever >> Women don't ask out men, so it's it's [ __ ] [ __ ] >> I do, >> but Mexican men are very traditional.

GriseldaThey don't pay. It would be an insult to them. Mexican men feel insulted if they pay. >> My husband No, let me tell you, my husband, he he literally looks like Brian. I don't know what the hell like it's like I'm looking like like physically he looks like.

Brian Atlas>> He does, dude. He does. He's white as hell. >> That's funny. >> That's great. But um but yeah, but I mean it's like you said he paid for the first date, he paid up for all the other dates. If you genuinely believe in

Brian Atlasequality, you should I understand that men have the um have this uh you know perhaps expectation placed on them to pay. You should have insisted though. You certainly could have insisted that

Brian Atlasuh you split the bill and if that wasn't a possibility, you should have paid for the next time. But you didn't. No, >> he kept paying for how many um >> did he continue paying for dates throughout the course of the relationship? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Uh and did you ever you didn't even insist? >> Okay. So, it's it's only equality but when it when it suits you. So, when it comes to uh receiving perks of uh

Brian Atlastraditional gender roles, then you'll happily okay, oh, I'm just a woman. But uh when it comes to uh you know the roles in the relationship, you want to

Griseldaperhaps have a egalitarian >> No, but even if I wanted to pay the for the type of person that my husband is, he's conservative as hell. Like he he wouldn't even let me like it's not even

Brian Atlas>> you have to dump him. Then you have a you have an egalitarian imperative to say, "Listen, [ __ ] I'm paying for the [ __ ] date. Otherwise, I'm breaking up with you." That's your imperative as a >> You say that on that first date? That's so weird to say on a first date. Like

Griseldahow >> you said 50/50. You're 50/50. >> I feel like I would do a 50/50 if I'm not trying to to date or to date actually this guy and if I'm actually being as a friend. >> Yeah, I do that.

Brian Atlas>> So, okay. If you if you go on the date and you know you don't like the guy, then you'll pay for the bill. But in instances where you do want to pursue a egalitarian relationship, the guy should pay for the bill. >> Do you have children by chance? We do too.

Angelica (DC)>> That's the I'm like, if you're working and having sex with him and paying for everything or whatever, and you have kids, then it's more than 50/50 at that point. You've given him children, you've given him money, and you're giving him sex and passion. So, it's like that's a

Angelica (DC)whole different other definition of egalitarianism. And I add, within Mexican culture, egalitarianism means something completely different than the American wasp definition of it. >> Yeah, it actually does. >> Uh, hold on, we have a super chat. It's uh Shona, could you read this for us?

Angelica (DC)>> It's called testing the ideology, stance, and willingness to conform to a man. Brian, you test this with the bow. Most of them failed. First thing they said was cheating. I never said cheating. Lol. Shows the victim mentality they have when they're not a victim in this.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Here I can give an example of like when I think a woman should be submissive. So, and I this is like not just uh imaginary hypothetical. This is something I've actually encountered

Brian Atlasmultiple times with women. You can hide the uh downdraft. Thank you for the super chat. Appreciate it. So, uh, one thing I prefer, um, I value my sleep substantially. So, I actually

Angelica (DC)prefer sleeping in separate bedrooms. Uh, so >> interesting. >> That's really unconventional. >> Yeah, >> that's weird though. Why? >> Right. Right. So, >> it's looking a dealbreaker for a lot of women out there. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So be it. Well, they're going to have to defer to me on this. So, I believe that my uh sleep quality and getting a good night's sleep supersedes the woman's desire for like plus 3% intimacy.

Brian Atlas>> My sleep. >> Yeah, I don't care. My my uh my being able to get a good night's sleep supersedes the woman wanting plus three intimacy. >> What about like a king-size bed? That's still not big enough. How much?

Brian Atlas>> It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. >> I mean, if a guy's snoring really loud though, I kind of agree. Well, I would say >> I love my fiance, but he snores like a father. >> Let me get to the point. So, uh, and just to be clear, look, I I it's not an

Brian Atlasimpossibility. Sometimes I'll allow it, >> but, uh, I do think that there I've I've had instances where, um, you know, this

Brian Atlasthe girl comes over, maybe we sleep together, maybe we don't. And I mean sex. I'm not meaning sleeping together. And it's not like I'm kicking her out right after, but maybe we'll watch a movie afterwards. And then it's like,

Brian Atlas"Oh, it's getting late. Time to sleep. Um, I'm gonna get you set up in the guest room." Uh, I've had a couple, some women are totally cool with it. They're like, "Yep, no problem. Got it, Brian." >> Other women give me so much flack. They I've had women crash out on me over

Brian Atlasthis. >> About the guest room, >> huh? >> About the guest room? >> Yeah. I'm like wanting to set them up in the other bedroom. Like, I've literally I've had women crash out. I've had women

Brian Atlasthrow fits. I've had women like on the verge of tears over this. >> I kind of I kind of get that. >> No, that's [ __ ] [ __ ] >> I don't

Brian Atlasfor me. I will feel like that. Hell yeah. >> If I tell you if I tell you, hey, by the way, it's not I'm not like >> Well, I think if it was using me for sex, I'd be like just kicking you out of

Brian Atlasthe house. But um if I tell the woman it's like it's not that I dislike you, but I >> I do not get good sleep sharing a bed and like I'm going to be a I'm going to

Brian Atlasbe uh let's say she's visiting me for a day uh 2 three days. I'm going to be in a bad mood if I don't get good sleep. Um I I need to get good sleep for my work. So in that instance, look, it's okay for

Brian Atlasthe woman to have a preference. The woman can obviously and I'd say most women probably prefer to sleep in the same bed as a man. Um,

Brian Atlashowever, women need to temper and women need to regulate their emotional response to that situation. You can want a thing, but then you shouldn't be challenging me on it. You shouldn't be

Annacrashing out. >> Are you open about it up front? Is this like something that you're upfront about in the beginning? Like they know coming into it like this. He wasn't and he was upfront about it when they came over. That's what I meant.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think uh it is something I've like let people know ahead of time. But I don't think there's anything actually objectionable. Like I don't think I need to disclose to somebody beforehand like hey by the way

Brian AtlasI like this can be some like a revelation. Yes. Exactly. this can be a revelation in that moment without any prior uh any prior sort of

Brian Atlas>> I don't know what the right term is priorly prior disclosure yes >> I would say that so yeah the the woman should defer to me on this and look she can have a preference she could want to uh sleep with me in the bed but if I say

Angelica (DC)it >> that's the end of the conversation >> but that's not submission though that's that's just you basically respecting your own boundary when it comes to submission I would define that as whether spending safety whether it comes

Brian Atlasto ultimate big home decisions you defer to the man it's a smaller thing it is I well for some women it's a big thing >> a lot but it would be well that's why I think you should be upfront about it >> it would be a lack of submission for a

Brian Atlaswoman to argue with me about it and question it and cause friction and conflict because of this that would be a lack like the submissive thing would be to be like

Brian Atlasoh but I really like she could be like I really want to and then I'm I'm sorry, but I can't. And she's like, "Okay." Like, that's okay. If she does a little cutesy, disappointed, whatever. You're disappointed. I [ __ ] get it, but

Brian Atlasdon't crash. Like, I I'm not even there exaggerating. I've had women like I I've had women >> like in the bed like, "Oh my god." Like throwing a [ __ ] fit over it. And

Angelica (DC)that's crazy. >> I 100% agree. But I still The reason I disagree on it being submission is because that's them disrespecting your emotional boundary. That's not a matter of you controlling their life. That's a matter of you having basically control

Angelica (DC)over your own personal boundaries. >> But when it comes to submission, I would say the reason why in my opinion, honestly, fact, that you should defer to a man that you trust is because men are a bit more sensible when it comes to emotional impulses, women don't really

Angelica (DC)have a strong grasp as to the dangers that are around them, nor the spending habits that might be enticing to them. So, I think having a man that you can defer to, and that's me having more money than the person I'm with. He's the one who ultimately decides when I can

Angelica (DC)spend money because I know I have a thrifting habit. So, he's the one that keeps me safe. He's the one that says, "I don't know about this. I think you might get in trouble even though I might want to do something." So, I think that's ultimately submission less money.

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah. 100%. Cuz I trust his mind. That's why that's why I love him is because I trust who he is. He is my masculine counterpart where whenever I have faults as a woman, he as a man can guide me. And whenever he feels like he's not

Angelica (DC)being like, you know, emotionally nurtured by this world, I then as a woman can compliment him with my feminine traits and say, "You're the best person in the world." >> Yeah. But so back to your thing though,

Brian Atlasum the narrative against women and then there was some other framing that you you used, you objected to the women should be submissive thing. Um

Griseldayeah, I mean I I don't actually see the problem with that. I mean, different views. Again, like I said, I just feel like culturally speaking, there's a lot of differences.

Angelica (DC)Again, women in Mexico usually >> they're more submissive than American women. I don't know what you're talking about. >> No, they're psychotic. They'll stab you

Brian Atlasover a dream. Like, it depends on Hold on. It's Latin American women. This like toxic spicy Latina thing or whatever. That's [ __ ] [ __ ]

Brian AtlasUm, >> Latin American women are typically more traditional. They're more conservative. They're more submissive than their American counterparts who are more hyper feminist.

Griselda>> They are. But actually, you know, I feel like my gener my, you know, my the age that I share with a lot of >> Mexican or whatever, >> you know, no, like we are like this, you

Griseldaknow, we're kind of like we're not submissive. We are, you know, very independent >> and basically Yeah. And we also like a man that is masculine, you know. I know it's it's weird.

Brian Atlas>> So why should men be masculine >> if you don't want to submit? >> I don't. >> It's the passion toxic. >> So what do men get? So okay for you a man should provide protect. He should be

Brian Atlaschivalous. He should be willing to die protecting you. Uh if we're allowed to say that men should do all these things, what can men say women should? What should women do?

Angelica (DC)I mean, if we're talking about that, I gave him his children. >> He also gave you children. >> Yeah. >> He contributed the genetic material to >> He didn't give birth to them or raise them or nurse them. >> I I was the one doing all the hard work

Angelica (DC)for them. She >> Okay. So, gender roles only exist within the confines of pregnancy. >> It's not. >> No, it's that's >> it's not gender roles. It's biology. A man, a woman's function is to give a man children. So just to be clear, your

Brian Atlasposition is as long as a woman gives a man children, she can be a raging quarrelome [ __ ] Is that your position? I'm asking what should women do beyond just procreation. What should women do?

Brian Atlas>> But if we're boiling it down to he has to provide financial children. >> So So yes, I think giving children is a component of the value. >> What is your answer beyond that for

Brian Atlaswomen, but it has to go like in terms of the woman's behavior. I'm looking at like what what should women do >> in what instance though why what are you

Griseldaalso referring to again I do a lot of things for my husband I do a lot a lot of things that you know I feel like I say it's a 50/50 I the way he provides for me the way he protects me the way

Griseldahe's willing to take a bullet for me I also am willing to do a lot of things for him I take care of him I provide for him you know I he has a hardworking woman you But he subsidizes your business.

Griselda>> No, he because again we it's it's ours. It's both of us. >> Okay. >> Does he work as many hours as you do on the business? >> No, he does not. >> Okay. So, you're primarily running it? >> I run the business. Yeah. He has his son He has his own job.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, how old are your kids? >> Uh I have a a 14-year-old and a 9-year-old. >> Um Okay. And uh when you're running your business, is is he taking care of the

Brian Atlaskids? Who's taking care of the kids? No, my parents. >> Your your parents? >> Well, that's better than daycare, but um I I think it'd probably be better

Griseldauh if you were taking care of the kids as the mom. >> I mean, I usually do. Again, since I'm a business owner, I So, let's just say I wake up, I get my girls ready every

Griseldamorning. I do like the general gender roles. I get I get my girls ready. I give my husband his lunch for the day. I make lunch for my girls as well, you

Griseldaknow, and then I drop them up to school. I go to work, you know, from let's just when my girls are in school and then I go pick them up every day. I make dinner

Griseldafor everybody. So, yeah. I mean, I feel like I fulfill a lot of those things. >> For for the for the sake of time, I have to move it on. Um, but uh Okay, going to

Abbyyou. You said the rating the guests can be harsh. Yeah. Whenever you base like rate us after we rate ourselves. >> Do you think I was harsh today? >> Uh, a little.

Anna>> A little bit. Okay. >> I think you should do it at the beginning and not because we have a human tendency to judge people. Even if you're not trying to, you're just trying to judge it off looks. You have a human tendency to judge off of someone's personality. So, you should do it from

Brian Atlasthe beginning, not the >> Nope. >> Brian's a professional. >> I Yeah. >> Okay. I even if like if I'm not going to like okay she's conservative and she agrees with me on everything. I'm still

Brian Atlasgoing to give her an unbiased as unbiased as I can uh rating. I'm not going to like give her a more positive rating because she agrees with me on [ __ ] Like I'll just look at their looks

Brian Atlasand I'm not going to like even if somebody rubs me the wrong like if a really attractive woman is on the show and she's just annoying as [ __ ] I'm not going to rate like rate her looks lower just cuz. But um uh I guess moving off

Brian Atlasof that uh Li Lii >> Lii >> doing the laundry for you is crazy. That's a disagreement that you have. Uh go into that. >> I I do want to clarify. Is that on the

Griseldafirst date that you've said that the first date they should do laundry or just like throughout? >> Yeah. So, the my framing is the first time she's over, which

Brian Atlas>> could be the first time hanging out, >> but uh yeah, she should do laundry for me right away and cook and clean >> right away.

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