HEATED DEBATE! She Got Her Ex DEPORTED?! Excommunicated Mormon/LDS?! Woke E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk 289

Date: 2026-04-06

Duration: 11h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBarbara Adamson >

AAngelica (DC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Joy(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Emily Mack(guest)

SPEAKER_03Frankie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Angelica (DC)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally(guest)

SPEAKER_06Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_09Riley Nimi(guest)

SPEAKER_10Griselda(guest)

SPEAKER_11Barbara Adamson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lii(guest)

SPEAKER_14Hannah(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 13 guests introduce themselves - largest panel ever

Key MomentGriselda reveals she crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor

ControversyRiley proposes shooting anyone who crosses the border

Key MomentAngelica reveals she lied about being engaged - actually married

Key MomentAlly reveals boyfriend strangled her on shrooms, she stayed with him

Key MomentHannah excommunicated from LDS church in high school

Key MomentAnna unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer

OtherLongest Whatever stream ever - approaching 11 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

13 guests including Riley Nimi (conservative), Griselda (Mexican immigrant), Hannah, Anna (Marine vet), and many more. Longest Whatever stream ever (~11 hours).

Griselda Immigration Story

Crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor brought by father. Now has green card through marriage.

Riley Proposes Shooting Border Crossers

Controversial immigration solution sparks strong panel reaction.

Angelica Reveals She Is Actually Married

Lied about being engaged; actually married ~2 years with more money than husband.

Ally Boyfriend Strangled Her on Shrooms

Boyfriend had drug-induced psychosis, strangled her one month into relationship. She stayed.

Hannah LDS Excommunication

Excommunicated from Mormon church in high school for intimacy with boyfriend.

Anna Craigslist Killer Date

Unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer in San Diego.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Panel struggles with basic geography and history. Someone says Hitler ruled Poland.

Show Wrap - Longest Stream Ever

Show wraps after approaching 11 hours.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswoman who's going to be on Tinder 2 weeks after the Fortnite. Fortnite after the [ __ ] uh lady. >> [ __ ] that [ __ ] [ __ ] that [ __ ] I ain't

Brian Atlasdying for some chick who's going to have another man another man's [ __ ] balls deep in her within 3 months of my death. [ __ ] that [ __ ] She can [ __ ] die. I get to live. I can impregnate another woman.

Anna>> Yeah, Brian. >> You just said that you would go for another woman right after though. >> Same thing. >> Yeah, [ __ ] it. What does that make you the same moral level as the woman? Yeah, sure. Okay.

Anna>> Why do why do men go to war? Why has only why have men gone to war? >> To protect women, which is why women being in the military is counterintuitive deserving of being protected any longer.

Angelica (DC)>> But what about your daughter? You don't deserve it. You women don't deserve this. What about your daughter? Would you assert alpha stat? I got to die for a woman. How many of y'all are virgins?

Brian Atlas[ __ ] that [ __ ] None of you deserve it. You don't deserve it. None of you are virgins. Get the [ __ ] out of here. I got to [ __ ] die for y'all. But none of

Brian Atlasyou It doesn't matter. But none of you are [ __ ] virgins. [ __ ] that [ __ ] Us men are getting a rough [ __ ] deal. We got to die for y'all, but you can you

Brian Atlascan have [ __ ] 20 men before me. Get the [ __ ] out of here. You think I'm going to [ __ ] die for some woman suck the guy's dick 3 months ago? Get the

Brian Atlas[ __ ] out of here. That's [ __ ] [ __ ] FOR A GUY. THAT'S [ __ ] [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] I gota I got to die for a [ __ ] non virgin. Get the [ __ ] out of here.

Anna>> Would you die for a picture then? >> Would you would you die for a righteous virgin wife? >> Would you DIE FOR it matter anyway? >> And so I just want to ask would you die for your own daughter?

Anna>> Would you would you die for 72 virgins in heaven? Would you expect a man to die? Would you expect the man that your daughter married to die for her? Is the question. And would you expect the man

Griseldayour daughter married to die for her? >> She's my blood. So, yes. >> Where's somebody else? I have >> But you wouldn't die for the question. Would you die for if his daughter was a

Brian Atlasvirgin? >> Wait. Who would not want their daughter to marry a man more virtuous than you? How is he virtuous if he's actually do recognize that you have a lack of virtue then? >> Of course.

Brian Atlas>> Hey, but I'm honest about it. >> You are missing skinny jeans and >> let me let me at least I'm honest. At least I'm honest. I'll tell you this much. All these guys who are like for example, Andrew Tate has said, by the way, I don't have beef with Andrew Tate,

Brian Atlasbut Andrew Tate has said my duty as a man if there's I got to protect I'm willing to die for a woman. And look, I don't have beef with Andrew Tate. And this is some some things I agree with

Brian Atlashim. Some things I disagree. I don't believe for a second that Andrew Tate, who by the way has like multiple baby mamas and he's like Muslim, so he's got multiple girlfriends or whatever. I

Brian Atlasdon't think he even marries them. I don't think for a second he would sacrifice his life for any of his women. He would so men say it. You n as you agree. I agree.

Brian Atlas>> Men say this [ __ ] Men say this [ __ ] as a virtue signal. Of course, babe. I would I would sacrifice my life for you. blah blah blah. >> Is this the equivalent to women faking an orgasm? >> Well, yeah, actually. Well, actually, on

Angelica (DC)a serious note, what Brian just said actually made me kind of think about it. I'm like, if a man wants their daughter to be with someone more virtuous than themselves and they want to marry someone who's more virtuous than themselves, ultimately what they're saying is they want control in their life where they're the ones who are

Angelica (DC)holding all the cards in the experience so that way they can predict the outcome basically. Cuz if even virtue applies to the man proposing to his daughter is a factor, then it's no longer a sexbased difference. Well, well, let me also

Brian Atlasexplain this. As as far as me wanting my daughter to marry the most virtuous man possible, for example, uh I'm far from being a virgin. I did not wait until marriage. What I would like for my

Brian Atlasdaughter, whether it happens or not, would be she's a virgin and she gets married to a male virgin who has been chased and they stay together forever

Brian Atlasand they have a bunch of kids and she gets married at in her early 20s or something. >> That would be a more virtuous path for her, one that I have not followed. I can't actually think of why that would

Brian Atlasbe objectionable just because I haven't lived that path that I wouldn't want a better path for my daughter. >> It's not objectable. It's just an observation. But that's exactly what everyone wants if they're sensible and

Brian Atlascare about their children. >> Fisel. Okay. Um past should not matter.

Brian AtlasTo which uh Griselda, you agree? Ali Ali Muhammad Ali. Uh Ali, hey, stay wait

Brian Atlashere for a sec for just for this one. Okay. Uh uh Liy, you were like, uh uh okay, we have Hannah or Frankie. Passion not matter.

Brian AtlasAnd then Joy. No, Anna. Passion, excuse me. Anna, passion not matter. Okay. Uh why why should that why should passion not

Griseldamatter? Body count. Why is that? I don't think it should matter. I mean, it wasn't on his time. Why should it matter? I mean, we have a saying in Mexico. If it didn't happen on your time, why should it affect you? I mean, >> okay. Anybody else who said passion not

Abbymatter? Why is that? >> Uh, I mean, I just don't believe in it just because like if he can do it, why can't I mean, I haven't done anything bad obviously. I haven't I haven't been not bad, but >> Do you have an Only Fans while you're

Frankiemarried? Okay. >> Yes, it's with him though. So, >> uh, okay. What about anybody else? Passion not matter. Did anybody else >> I >> feel like it shouldn't matter because like whatever he did before he was with me is not going to affect what we do in our

Brian Atlas>> show of hands. Who circled passion not matter? Can I see that? Passion not on matter. Passion not matter. Passion not on matter. Okay. So like uh how a guy and it does say in parenthesis body

Brian Atlascount. Should a a woman's body count past not matter? Right. Um let me ask you guys a question. To those of you who say past shouldn't matter. If you found

Brian Atlasout, you knew that your guy used to get [ __ ] by men, but he's bisexual. Or let's say he might have, he's turned a

Brian Atlasnew leaf, now he's straight, but he used to get [ __ ] by men. Or he's bisexual. Whichever one you fancy most, you wouldn't. Not an issue. You >> This is a different twist.

Brian Atlas>> It's not different. It's totally the same. It's literally women [ __ ] men before me. >> Your man [ __ ] men before you. It's literally the men can't have sex. >> That's why that's why they say the girls and the gays is because the girls are usually [ __ ] and it's like it's

Griseldaliterally the equivalent. It's like the same energy. >> So, but >> um I don't know. I really I don't think it will matter, you know, because I mean he's not judging me by my past. Why I I

Griseldawould judge him. I mean again I >> you wouldn't think if your husband told you I need to tell you something >> I mean he tells me late in the relationship like let's just say I've been married for him for

Ally>> Oh yeah I guess you might not leave him now. Although some women might leave. >> I mean >> Sha would you? What about you? >> Oh I' I'd leave. And I also said past does matter. >> Oh you okay past doesn't matter. Okay good. Uh,

Brian Atlas>> so your your husband's like, "Listen, my butthole, there's been a lot of dicks and Whoa, that's Somebody's going to clip that." [ __ ] >> Yikes.

Brian Atlas[ __ ] >> Very excited. >> New button. Uh, >> so somebody's going to [ __ ] just start it right there without the

Brian Atlascontext. Lovely. Uh, lovely. Uh, so, okay, your husband, he received a lot of dickage

Griseldathrough his anus. Are you going to be okay with that? >> I mean, probably at since we've been together for, you know, we've been married for 10 years. I think it will

Griseldamatter at this point if he never disclosed it before because that's a trust issue. >> Have you disclosed like all the penis that's been inside you? No, but I mean but that's but that's different because I mean >> how's it different? >> I'm not attracted to gay men. That's

Angelica (DC)why. >> Exactly. I'm not attracted. >> No, he's by he that's gay. >> Okay then. Sorry. >> I don't think it would matter as it would matter if he had like an STD. No such. >> Your vagina will never please a gay man.

Angelica (DC)>> Well, once again, culturally speaking, usually Mexicans never get into those details. They don't like going into the past. Especially the men. They don't like talking about that stuff. >> Is your husband Mexican, though? He's half Mexican. He's white. He's white. No, he's white as hell.

Brian Atlas>> What about you? Your your husband, you're married, right? He comes to you and he's like, "Yo, I used to get [ __ ] by dudes." Ah, damn it. [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I guess that I would care a little. >> Um, >> okay. Who else? Hannah, would you date a man >> um >> who got [ __ ] by men? What if he was

Brian Atlasthe top? You know, he [ __ ] the men. He [ __ ] him. Okay. >> Why could that change? >> It actually would change. >> I do think it would change to be honest. I think

Anna>> it's worse if he's a bottom. >> I think it is getting sluted out. >> Your dick is getting pleasured by some dude's [ __ ] and you're saying that's left. >> It's gross. It's degenerate, but it's different. It's so different. It's like

Angelica (DC)at least in that l I can't I don't >> Anyways, uh body count. What's your body count? One. Okay. >> You were saying you were a virgin earlier. >> You were. >> No, I wasn't going to say that. I was trying to make a point about something.

Brian AtlasI was just trying to ask him. >> So, what's your body count? >> One. >> Okay. >> 12. >> Okay. >> Three. >> Sorry. >> Three. >> Okay. >> Nine. >> Nine. Okay.

Barbara Adamson>> Nine from when I was a degenerate teenager. >> Okay. >> I'm engaged. Just him. >> I can't disclose. >> Oh, okay. Hold on. Well, don't lie. So, >> out of respect for him, I can't say.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, can you into the mic though? >> I'm sorry. Out of respect for him, I don't want >> It's more than It's more than one then. Okay. What about you? >> Three. >> Really? >> What? >> Wait. Can Is it because she's black? >> No.

Hannah>> Why don't you believe me? >> No. Okay. It's cuz she's a woman. >> All right. Go ahead. What about >> She said three. >> Yeah. No, >> I'm I'm not going to give my body count. >> Range. Do you want to do a range? No.

Frankie>> Do you want to do a range? >> It's low. More than 10. Less than 10. >> Less than 10. >> Into the mic. Into the mic. >> I'm sorry. Less than 10. >> Did you What did you say? >> Three. >> Three.

Frankie>> Yeah. The guy in high school, my baby father, and my current boyfriend. >> Why are you so suspicious? >> So messed up. >> Actually, wait. I'll do this at the end. Uh range

Brian Atlasless. Uh can you >> I'm not doing body count. >> More than 10 or less than 10? >> No, I'm not doing body count. Period. Whether it's two or 22. >> People are going to infer certain things from that, but okay. What about you? Uh, body count. >> Seven.

Anna>> Seven. Okay. >> I'm gonna go with Hannah. I'm not going to disclose. >> Is it over? >> I'm not disclosing anything. I've disclosed enough with my sex life and my my one night stand baby. Okay. Thank you. >> That I did not want to expose.

Riley Nimi>> More or less than 50. >> Do you want to ballpark it? >> Ballpark. >> Is that less than 50? >> I'm not singing question. >> I'm not going to disclose anything. >> Single question. Okay. You can you can oh boy all you want. You just said the same thing like

Angelica (DC)>> Okay, that's fine. >> Before Before I give my answer, don't we have a second champagne bottle that we're supposed to open? >> No, I did both. >> We already >> But there was three $1,000 payments. >> Those are both at the same time.

Brian Atlas>> No, no. I gigantic cup that. >> I did one pop and then I did two pops like back to back. So I did three. I popped three. >> Six. >> Six. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Three. >> Three. You [ __ ] Riley. You [ __ ] You know, uh, trumpet. >> Uh, just kidding. Just kidding. Um, >> I'm a virgin.

Brian Atlas>> I've never felt >> What is your body count? >> I've never felt the warm embrace. >> Wait, actually, yeah, >> I don't disclose. >> More or less than 10. >> The purpose of that question, too. >> More than 20. >> What's the purpose? >> Oh, it's more than 100 probably. >> What is What is considered a high body

Annacount? >> Just to know the body count, you know. What is considered high? >> Who keeps track of that anyways? >> That's an everchanging question. I also wonder the same thing. >> What's the question? >> What is considered a high body count to you? >> It's going to to me.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, to me. >> So, it's it's a bit nuanced because it depends on the age. Uh, so like a woman who's 20 versus a woman who's 30, there's going

Brian Atlasto be some leeway there a little bit. Uh but like just across the board, I'd say like just as a as an easy metric, >> one >> as an easy metric for um

Brian Atlassome people are going to say it might be a bit lower than this, but I think like just for simplicity sake, I'll say over 10. That's a very easy cut off for me to say that's when you're getting I would >> cut off I wouldn't say it's

Brian Atlaslike it's I wouldn't label it as high but it's above a desirable number. Like when I think high I think like 20 30 plus

Angelica (DC)around 10 is a bit of a wobbler. You could charge it as a felon felony or misdemeanor. Does it matter whether those bodies happened within relationships or outside of a relationship?

Brian Atlas>> I like that you asked this question because there it's more than just the body count. There's a bo I I I haven't quite figured out the right term

Brian Atlasfor it. There's a body count multiplier. For example, for example, a woman who's slept with one man one

Brian Atlastime, but that man is someone who's just [ __ ] filthy. Her body count's not one, her body

Brian Atlascount's like 10. So, for example, a woman who [ __ ] >> an Indian. >> Oh, bro, that's crazy. Uh, it's a joke, though. He's joking. Do you want to >> What would the multiplier be, though?

Brian AtlasNo, no, not it's not a racial thing. Uh, I would say, but you did mention filthiness, so I'm like, >> "Oh, bro." >> I I assumed it was out of here. Literally, I love Indian people.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. So, um, okay, disavow that. But, so, uh, I would say it's like if he's like a rapper or some [ __ ] or like I don't know, some of these rappers are just known for just running through

Brian Atlaschicks. Like if a girl, let's say a girl [ __ ] like I don't know some some the the boy next door and he's he was she was a virgin, he was a virgin, whatever.

Brian AtlasThat's different than if a girl [ __ ] NLE Choa. Like if a girl [ __ ] NLE or like the Island Boys or whatever the [ __ ] those weirdos are. If a girl [ __ ]

Brian Atlasan island boy, that's like 20 bodies. This is boy math. This is This is boy math right now. Uh, if a girl [ __ ] h who's a It could also just be a guy you don't like, too. >> Yeah.

Anna>> If a girl [ __ ] >> Do you don't believe that people can change? Like maybe they've had a a past and then they said, "You know what? This is wrong." And then they go on long standings of sbaticals and you know, like >> you can't change your past though.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, that's what I did. I disavow like all the bodies I racked up as a teenager. But >> yeah. Yeah. But just to finish this point, just to answer your question,

Brian Atlaslike if a girl if a girl [ __ ] a guy with a bunch of face tattoos, that's a that's not one body. >> What if that's 13? >> Huh? >> If he was a virgin with face tattoos,

Brian Atlasit's >> I'm sorry. There's no >> They were in a long-term relationship. >> I'm sorry. I feel like there's no male in human history who's a virgin who has a face. I mean, logically it's possible, but there's >> a a male

Anna>> with a face tattoo who's a virgin. >> Highly unlikely. >> It's possible, but it's like >> we need someone in the chat to chime in. Is anyone a virgin with a face tattoo in the chat? We need some confirmation.

Brian Atlas>> Like, for example, some girl um DM'd me asking me to rate her the other day or something and she's like, she has breast implants and she said she was a virgin. And I'm like,

Brian Atlas>> it's possible. Like, obviously, it's possible. Like, a woman's a virgin. She gets breast implants. It's possible. >> But I'm like, this is really unlikely. Like, really unlikely, you know? Does

Griseldathat make sense? Maybe. I don't know. >> Yeah. So, your your answer is just assuming that if you're not in a relationship with that person that that person has probably ran through a bunch of people. >> Yeah. I didn't even answer your question come to think of it. What was your

Angelica (DC)question again? Um, when it comes to the high body count, does it matter if those bodies were when you were in a relationship with those bodies or not? >> That is a good question. >> I actually wonder if the high body count

Angelica (DC)question per man is the same thing as rate your looks question per woman where it's like they can't have an objective answer to it because it really is about vibes. Same thing with women. It's all about vibes.

Brian Atlas>> Vibes. Uh, so I I don't know cuz sometimes I think about this like on one hand it's good for a woman to be relationship-minded. But then I was thinking about and so I I don't know if I actually have like a concrete answer

Brian Atlasto that. I suppose it's nuance, but I was thinking about this. For example, say a woman has a body count of one, but she only had sex with a guy one time versus she has a body count of one, but

Brian Atlasshe was dating that guy for three years and got [ __ ] a thousand times. So, it was a one night stand versus a relationship.

Brian Atlas>> I think the second option is better. >> I You know what? I kind of almost prefer the one night stand. >> What if we raise the number to 20? >> Like, I know it sounds counterintuitive,

Angelica (DC)but it's like she got [ __ ] less. >> That's a feminist argument. That's what girls say when they say like, "Oh, well, you know, I've had sex with, you know, I'm not going to get clipped out." when

Angelica (DC)they hypothetically say I've had like they've had sex with like 300 men and they're like well what's the difference between that and having sex with one person 300 times. Well, so it so your body count is one even if you like you

Brian Atlasyou had a boyfriend and you slept together a thousand times versus you had a one night like your body count is still one but like from the my male

Brian Atlasperspective um now if it was a string it's still hard like okay she's she's had 10 boyfriends and she slept with all of them 100 times or whatever uh and

Brian Atlasthen she had 10 one night stands that is a bit more indicative like to have 10 one night stands that's more indic indicative like of a ongoing behavior on the woman's part.

Brian Atlas>> She still only [ __ ] 10 times though. >> So, but >> but it makes it seem like you'll just be a one >> versus like a girl who has a body count of one and she had a one night stand. Like it might have just even been like

Annashe wanted something with the guy but the guy hit it and quit it. >> A 10 boyfriend is also indicative of a behavior though. If you can't keep a boyfriend that's Yeah, that >> Well, it depends on how old you are. I'm 41. So, and I've been dating since a teenager.

Anna>> Yeah. But let's say let's say this person's 28 and you've had 10 boyfriends. >> You had one per year. >> They pro if even if you had one per year, that's still a really short amount of time.

Brian Atlas>> Maybe I could frame it like this. Okay. Anything below three body count, the for the woman to just have had like one sex with these three guys one time each,

Brian Atlasthat's preferable. Then when it gets over, like this is total boy math, over four, then maybe the relationship girl might be preferable. And then when they're both 10, it's just they're both

Riley Nimibad. They're both bad. >> Throw them away. >> No, don't throw him away. >> Like the Zack Elephant is like Brian Atlas kind of has like the high social class, right? So he should be able to get like that top 1%.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, he he has room to be picky. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, not really. I'm like a chubby old dude. I I I can't be that >> and you you have a wife application because you don't have enough time for all the women in your DMs. >> Yeah. What's the acceptance rate?

Anna>> Your status. Yeah. >> I don't know. After the I will throw my wife off out of of the boat. I don't know if he's going to be getting too many DMs after that. >> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's a lot of women who especially liberal women where they'll send like those

Angelica (DC)Tumblr personality quizzes and like those MBTI tests. >> That's basically what Brian is doing with the personality test. It's just the male version of it. I mean, earlier I didn't even disavow his whole personality test, but like >> she's fine with the girlfriend's application. >> No, no, just in general. Actually, I was

Brian Atlasjust kind of thinking about it because it was presented as an issue. >> I don't I've never met a single a single liberal girl who's sending her her personality. Just to be clear, you know, look, I It's not that I wouldn't protect

Brian Atlasmy girlfriend. Like, if there's a home intruder, like, best believe I'm going to handle it. I'm not going to like >> Oh, now you're walking back. >> No, I'm not walking it back. No, there's a difference. >> She wouldn't die for her. >> No, hold on. There's a difference

Brian Atlasbetween in a hypothetical where one of you has to die. Me preferring to live, that's perhaps you could say that's selfish, but that isn't necessarily evidence of some sort of cowardice

Brian Atlasbecause if presented with a self-defense situation, I'll rise to the occasion to the best of my ability. Like, if I have to dispatch the home intruder, I will do

Brian Atlasso. Like, bro, I'll I got a [ __ ] cat. My cat got into Actually, I don't know if I should share too much detail. Let's just say if somebody like another animal's [ __ ] with my cat because we

Brian Atlasget like raccoons and whatever. Like I'm gonna protect the [ __ ] cat. I'll just say that. >> You lay down your life for the cat and not the wife. >> No, I'm not going to lay down my life for the cat, but I'm going to [ __ ] >> Just have to check. >> Whatever is trying to attack my cat is

Brian Atlasgoing to [ __ ] get it. Like it's going to get [ __ ] up. >> You some more determined about your cat than you would Instagram account. >> Whoever is going to try to attack my my girlfriend, my kids, they're going to

Riley Nimiget [ __ ] up. Like if somebody >> the enthusiasm is not there anymore, I'm not going to lie. >> Okay. >> Yeah, with the cat you were very enthusiastic. I do have to passionate about

Brian Atlas>> I should just be a cat person from Tox. Holy [ __ ] Is getting the license. >> Yeah, the cat is I just bought her multiple beds. >> Okay, I think we're done with the this

Brian Atlasquestionnaire. There's We got some pre-show notes uh we got to get into and then uh should I Does anybody Is anybody hungry? I can order us some food. I'll order some food. >> Can I say that I have a gluten allergy? If you are going to order,

Anna>> I'm sorry. I do. I have celiacs. Sorry. I do. >> You don't have to have to give me pee. That's my allar. >> Intolerance or allerg? >> Well, we do have snacks back there. We got snacks back there. All right. Let me blast through the pre-show notes from

Brian Atlasall of you. Uh I'll try to do it as quick as possible. Uh all right. And uh let's see here. We have uh we did that.

Brian AtlasWe did that. Um uh okay. You do Only Fans, right? You do solo BG content. >> Yes. Yes, >> but the BG content is with your husband. You've never done boy girl content with

Brian Atlasuh another man. Okay. You're married. You're a stay at home mom. >> Uh you want are women dating up unrealistic? I >> think so. >> Oh, you think you think it's unrealistic

Brian Atlasfor women to do that? >> Yeah, sometimes. >> I totally agree with you. No disagreement. You say that porn consumption or you ask is porn consumption in relationships cheating?

Brian AtlasI'm not so sure. I'm not sure. I would go I would say it's cheating, but men shouldn't do it and it's wrong. But I don't know if it rises to the level of cheating. >> I think it's ruining sex. Getting off to another woman. >> Men should definitely not do it. What's that?

Anna>> But I said he's getting off to another woman. >> Yeah. >> I think it's giving also couples an unrealistic expectation of sex. They think we're going to be swinging on swings and doing all this like [ __ ]

Angelica (DC)24/7. Well, not only that, actually, if you're watching pornography as a man, you're basically training yourself to cuck yourself. That's why cuckolding is becoming more and more of a popular thing. It's voyeristic. >> Yeah, it's true. >> Tiffany, could you get me two water bottles? >> Also, if the man had the opportunity to

Angelica (DC)have sex with the porn star, he would probably take it. >> Also, you know what's wild? I wouldn't >> It's probably an indication that he might like want to cheat in the future. >> Riley, would you? >> No. Porn. >> It's like that's like the first like red flag before cheating as well. I feel

Angelica (DC)like >> Well, what's wild is that 90% of Only Fan subscribers are married men. >> Well, I would also there's like I think I think the status 30% of porn consumers now are women. >> It's been these degenerates.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know if I believe that. >> The gonuts. >> Uh just to blast through, you said, "Do men care more about looks and women care more about money?" Is that your >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, that's your question. Yeah, probably. Okay, next. Emily. Uh, okay. Emily, you were 25 single. You just moved to another state. You met a guy at a restaurant. Uh, he wanted to go

Brian Atlasanother bar. You got in his car. You were driving. He asked if you wanted to sleep with him. You said no. So, you he did what? >> So, this happened in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. He basically told me to get out

Emily Mackof his car. Like, he kicked me out of his car on the side of train tracks because I refused to sleep with him. And he proceeded to tell me that he was going to find another [ __ ] who would >> Yikes. Um, and you so you met at a bar

Emily Mackand you continued hanging out. It was >> like an Italian restaurant bar. It was kind of early and then the night was getting later. I think this happened like around 11 p.m. >> But it wasn't like a dating app or it wasn't >> No, in person. You met him? I met him

Brian Atlaswhen I was out there. Okay. Um, >> and so you called a friend to come save you. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So, that's wrong for the man to do. Uh, >> you know, you should probably, you know,

Emily Mackdrive them back or whatever. Like it's funny talking about it now, but when I was in the situation, like I was scared. I didn't know where I was. Like it was a new place. I don't think that's >> sort of piggybacking off this though to

Brian Atlasthe panel. Do you guys think that it's wrong like that situation? That's that's clearly wrong. Like he could have just me back to the bar. >> He should have driven you somewhere safe like >> back home or at least back to the bar >> or a main street.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. Like that's a he had some duty of care for you that he I mean Yeah. So, um, although I wonder if we

Brian Atlasflipped the roles, if a woman insisted that a man exit her vehicle, would we have an issue? And he like, would we

Brian Atlashave an issue with it? >> Yes. Like for you denied him sex or something or >> No, the woman's just like, "Okay, we're in a dangerous part of town." Like, but I'm upset at you for whatever the reason. Get the [ __ ] out. >> That's not okay. That's not okay. I also

Emily Mackfelt like if I didn't get out, he could physically remove me. And I don't think I could physically remove a man from my vehicle. >> So that would really scare me if the roles were reversed. Men are men are stronger than women. So I feel like a little bit scarier.

Brian Atlas>> Uh I guess the question I was going to pose though is in a situation where he's not a man's not being a [ __ ] [ __ ] and leaving her in a dangerous, precarious situation. Do you think it's

Brian Atlaswrong if a man wants to have sex with a woman and she doesn't she doesn't want to, which totally fine, that he drops her. So, in other words, like he's

Brian Atlaslike, say you drove over to the guy's house and you're like, "Hey, uh, I don't really want to hook up," which totally fine. And then he's like, "Oh, well, um,

Brian AtlasI do. Can you leave?" Is that wrong? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. No. >> Yeah. No, cuz she you have your car. It's not like >> she can get home safe. There's like no

Brian Atlasbut he's just like I want sex. You don't want to have sex. I don't want to hang out with you anymore. >> Well, I wish you would have said it before I wasted my time and went over there. But yeah, >> but I think some men would some men

Brian Atlaswould make perhaps a wrong assumption, but I think some men might assume perhaps wrongly that if you're coming over to his house that you may be interested in having sex. That's why I always put it out. I don't I say that

Brian AtlasI'm not going to have sex. >> It kind of depends on what time though. >> But sometimes women on dating apps will be like uh like not looking for hookup >> and then then they do actually want to [ __ ] >> then they were like then they're wrong

Annafor that. If they're like misstating their intentions initially, >> but if a guy goes after a woman saying that they're not looking for a hookup then and they are looking for a hookup when a woman that says that then that's his problem.

Angelica (DC)>> That's his problem. For every reason that I can think of, it's not wrong to just end an interaction, >> right? You you have no obligation to be interacting with a person, no matter what the reason.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, >> no obligation, but it's still like you can be impolite. I think it would be to >> But like, how about this? Um, let's say the man finishes off the night. Let's say, you know, you were in the middle of watching a movie. You were making out,

Brian Atlaswhich you were fine with, but he wanted to go further. You don't and it stops there. You know, there's no pressure. And then uh you finish the movie and you guys say good night as you otherwise

Brian Atlaswould, but then he no longer wants to see you because sex wasn't or isn't on the table. Is that wrong? >> No. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Wait, so if a girl doesn't want to [ __ ] >> Hold on.

Angelica (DC)>> Then it's wrong. >> No. If a girl If a girl doesn't want to have sex in that scenario, that's fine. And if he suddenly wants to like kick her out because she didn't want to have sex with him, then I think I'm judging him for

Brian Atlas>> So the new scenario is like he makes the move, she says no. He's okay, let's finish the movie, the night ends, you go home, >> but he's no longer interested and

Brian Atlasdoesn't want to continue seeing you because you turned him down for sex and because sex is not on the table. Is that wrong? >> Okay, so like is she just like not is it like too early for her to have sex or is it just like

Angelica (DC)>> is it like morally wrong or just It's too early for her. If if she feels it's too early for her, >> it's a different time. Like he wants to have sex on the sooner side. She wants to wait. >> Okay. If they have different sexual preferences, he can he can end things with her. That's fine.

Anna>> Anybody else? Any thoughts on that? >> There's no right or wrong, but I do think that's a conversation that should be had upfront. And that I always do. I'm not having sex with you like at all. I always make sure I say that. I'm not

Annagoing to And if it's like I won't even go over to a man's house without knowing them for a little bit. And when I do, it's I'm not having sex with you tonight, just to let you know. So, I don't give them the false hope of that. I think it's something that needs to be said. But there's no right or wrong to

Annait. It's just something that should be communicated so that people aren't I'm not out getting kicked out and then the man's not pissed because he's not getting ass. So, >> yeah, totally fine. >> I think a man should be able to hang out with the woman without having sex, though. I just want to say, >> yeah, right.

Anna>> Yeah, that's fine. But, >> well, he's doing me a favor if he's going to kick me out cuz I won't give up my vagina. Like, thank you for not wasting my time any longer. Like, you just showed your true colors. Thank you. Like now we're not wasting each other's time.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I think that's that's uh to some degree fair, but I don't think I also don't think it's wrong for men to have sexual desire. And if this woman's not going to satisfy it, he can find somebody else.

Angelica (DC)>> No, of course he he should have his sexual desires completely met. I still think that he should be able to have a hangout with her at some point or at some points without having sex. It should go beyond that. Say he is like,

Brian Atlas"Look, um, maybe we won't have to have sex the first date, but I would like to have sex." You know, he has a three-date rule. If it doesn't have, and he's not saying this as like a from a transactional perspective, but this

Brian Atlasisn't his internal rule. He's like, "Hey, I want to uh >> I want to have sex by the third date." And she's like, "I want to wait 3 months. >> Is it wrong for him to be like, well,

Angelica (DC)>> I don't want to wait three months to [ __ ] He doesn't have to wait 3 months. He can end things. But I will say it's like if you have a man like that who's expecting sex by the third date, he should not be out here criticizing women for like their for like um

Angelica (DC)>> promiscuity promiscuity count and things like that. It's kind of like I just want to mention that as a side note, it's kind of like Jesse Peterson where it's like, you know, oh, if a woman has sex with a bunch of men, what does that make her a [ __ ] And it's like, okay, what does that make you a [ __ ] maker? And it's like you're admitting that you're creating the problem,

Emily Mack>> right? >> Uh Emily, finishing off your notes, your entire family hates your fiance. What's the story there? >> So, when we first met, like both of us didn't really have our [ __ ] together and now we're doing really good and we're

Emily Mackabout to buy a home and hopefully they come back into our lives. They did invite me to dinner today, but I am here. So, hopefully >> W whatever. >> It's It gets better. Hopefully it gets better. >> It'll get better.

Emily Mack>> Okay. Is there Is there It's just like you guys were not >> like now he's in the union with HVAC. like he was just um working on the beach when I first met him and I was working in a clothing store and now I have a

Emily Mackreally good bartending position and he does HVAC and sales and we kind of grew together. >> Uh you said that splitting the bill the splitting the bill conversation gets you every time. >> Why is that? >> I just I really just think men should

Emily Mackpay for the first date. I'm not saying that you should take me out to like a $300 dinner, but like my fiance and I, we ordered a pizza pie, we got some ice cream, and he paid for both. And that was that.

Emily MackThat's really all I got. >> Uh, okay. What should women do though? >> Um, like in what sense? Like on a date or just in general? >> In general,

Emily Mack>> I think they are the emotional support of the family. I think they make everything pretty and better. Like I think they make a house a home. I think usually men provide the household, but you know, I make our apartment pretty. I

Brian Atlasthink my fiance would just sleep with a mattress on the floor if he didn't have me. But I mean this is something I mean sometimes people might not move in together until like it can be months down the road even we did move in pretty quickly.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But I mean you would agree that most relationships people are not moving in. >> Yeah. We're usually Yeah. We're worried. >> So it's like but so what is the woman bringing prior to moving in together

Brian Atlaswhich can sometimes be way down the road? emotional support, maybe friendship. I don't know. >> Emotional support. Yeah. I find that often times, not all the time,

Brian Atlas>> my man is my emotional support, and I hope that I can be his, too. >> I I find most of the time, though, that not all the time, um, I find that I'm the one having to soothe

Brian Atlas>> the woman emotionally versus the reverse. >> I agree. >> And so, it's like emotional, the woman's the emotional support. It's No, it seems like I'm doing I hate this [ __ ] term. The emotional labor

Anna>> isn't sex if he had a little bit of emotion though if they're if they're having sex with you. Isn't that emotional? >> This would be an equal value exchange. She gets sex, I get sex, we both >> or I feel emotional prior to moving in.

Emily MackLike you don't have to live with him to help him. Like if you're seriously dating someone and maybe he has a job like you where you're filming 12 hours every week and you're exhausted and she cleans your apartment and does your laundry, that's a big help to you, I would think. No. >> Uh if she does that,

Emily Mack>> yeah. >> Do most women do that? >> Uh I would hope so. I do, but I don't think most women do, unfortunately. And I don't think most Western women do either. I think they want everything. You can't just take take and take. You

Brian Atlashave to give, too. >> Okay. Uh All right. Um, yeah. I don't know about the like the men should pay thing. It's always wondering

Brian Atlaswhy. Like I do, uh, but why >> he also had a better job than me at the time. >> Why should men I don't know. It seems like it seems like, look, I guess here's what I'm getting at.

Brian Atlas>> Has a better job than me actually. >> Men should do X. Men should do Y. Men should do Z. What can we say women should do? There's expectations on men. What are

Emily Mackthe expectations on women? >> With you, have sex with you every day. I don't know. >> Well, that's >> But she also gets sex.

Emily MackAnd a lot of the times she's like, "Not all women." I don't know. Again, maybe I >> can you tell me what you would like or give me a hint or somewhere in the

Brian Atlas>> Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, of course. Like, yeah. laundry, clean, cook. Um, >> I have one. >> Give me kids down the road. But that's down the road. That's down the road. >> Um, so

Angelica (DC)>> I have to be able to get to that down the road. And in order to do that, you have to >> biblically speaking, >> biblically speaking, a woman's role is >> I'm not giving up my vagina for free. >> A woman's role is supposed to bring peace to the home, priest to the man.

Angelica (DC)That's like her. >> Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Peace. But the issue is the issue is that once again we're not living in biblical like in a biblical society. So instead women are inverse and they're not bringing peace, they're bringing chaos.

Emily Mack>> Which is exactly why men are averse to getting married cuz they're like, "Well, what is the best?" >> Or like what Brian just said too about in his home in the separate bedrooms. Do you think if someone's a guest in his house, they really should be crashing out like that either? Like do you think

Emily Mackthat's appropriate adult behavior when you're in someone else's household? >> Well, not only that, >> Brian, you can kick someone out at that point. That's like psychotic. >> Well, that's the thing is the grasp on their own emotional peace. >> The grasp on

Brian Atlas>> definitely did not bring me peace. >> Thank you. That's why you got a cat. >> Well, that's why I think you should just put it out there. Just try it. Just put it out there. >> I do. I literally It's on my [ __ ] girlfriend questionnaire. It's the most autistic [ __ ] thing ever.

Barbara Adamson>> I want to see it though. >> One day I will reveal the girlfriend. I think no matter what you do, if you're if you're trying to do like traditional, if those are your desires and expectations, I want a man to pay for

Barbara Adamsonthe first date, provide, protect, etc. I think no matter what you do, there's a power imbalance that happens because women have the optionality to be

Barbara Adamsonchoosier. And so in the beginning, it's unfortunate, but if I were a guy and I was interested in a girl and wanted a relationship with her, I don't know that I would risk not paying on the first date because, you know, she may be

Barbara Adamsonaverse to that. I'm not saying it's fair, but on the flip side of that, from my worldview, there is a bit of a power imbalance. I try to demonstrate um you know how I will be in the marriage and

Barbara Adamsonthen once I'm married my husband has my complete and utter submission and then he has the authority he has the power etc.

Anna>> I have paid for my boyfriend's things before but I'm saying initially like when we're first starting off you better pay for me period. >> Well the other question is >> getting into it getting into it like I'm cool to like

Anna>> hey let's do this let's do that. Yeah, but I just want to know that you're not using me. Exactly. >> And that you're going to provide. And then once you prove that, I'm all, "Hey babe, let's go out to dinner." Like, I'm me.

Brian Atlas>> Lisabella. Lisabella. So, you're Mormon. LDS. >> Used to be. >> Used to be. You said, "Okay, we already talked about the laundry thing. Skip that." You say it's outrageous though.

Brian AtlasOutrage. You're outraged when you hear me say the woman should do the laundry on the first date. You know what? I'm actually sometimes a gentleman, though. Hear me out. Uh, it'll already be done in the dryer. So, she just has to fold.

Brian AtlasI'm a nice guy, right? I'm a gentleman. I'm not going to have her put it in the washer, transfer it to the dryer. >> It's easy. It's already >> She doesn't have to handle your dirty laundry. Okay. >> Well, my, by the way, um,

Brian Atlas>> this changes everything. >> My laundry is even before it goes into the the washer, it's pretty much clean. >> It's clean, >> to be fair to me.

Brian Atlas>> No like streak marks or anything. Not >> I'm not really traditional, so I don't expect a man on the first date. So, of course, I would be adverse to that. >> Hold on. Hold on. Moving on. Uh, two times you've been in a situation where a

Brian Atlasguy has told you it would ruin his life if you did not get an abortion in the case of pregnancy. >> It's true. >> Needless to say, neither of those relationships lasted. >> Yeah. As >> So, wait, did you get abortions?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. So, they're saying if you got uh pregnant um it would ruin their lives if you did not get the abortion. Okay. But you didn't Okay, I see. Uh you didn't actually get

Brian Atlasthe abortions. Um Okay. >> Conversation would just come up and they would tell me hard like >> Are you pro-choice or pro-life? >> Um more pro-life. >> Okay. Uh you said a boyfriend strangled

Brian Atlasyou while he was on drugs >> and you still stayed with him. >> Mhm. That's my current boyfriend. >> Oh, >> wait. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. I got Wait. >> Is he sober now?

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on. >> Is Wayne Brady going to have the choker [ __ ] >> Wait. And so you write, "You think modern dating encourages people to give up on a uh excuse me, to give up on a

Brian Atlasrelationship after the slightest red flag. You value sticking through hard things and not giving up so easily. On one hand, you're very right or die. On

Angelica (DC)the other hand, I don't know. I think if a man tries to choke you, >> succeeded. I think you can leave. >> But it was a like a drug induced psychosis. It's not okay.

Angelica (DC)>> It doesn't matter. >> This does not help his drug. >> This is worse. >> You don't understand. He's a criminal. >> No, no, but he was only under drugs. >> Does your family like it? >> That makes it worse. >> My family absolutely loves him. You

Griseldadeserve You deserve better. Argue against it. You know why? >> What? >> He's not a drug addict. This was like a oneoff thing. >> It was like he was slipped something.

Angelica (DC)>> No. No. He He chose to do the drug. Okay. So, he willfully choked you. >> That's took the drug. >> No. He has He has no memory of it. Most people who try drugs once don't just

Brian Atlasstrangle their partner though. >> That's kind of scary, terrifying. What's he going to do when he has a couple? >> He never choked you after or before. >> No. Any other physical violence? >> Nope.

Angelica (DC)>> Was he on shrooms and he thought you were a dragon and he was trying to >> When you're on shrooms, you're very nice and happy. >> Wait, is that what happened? He thought you were someone else or something else. >> The thing about this trip, like we've

Angelica (DC)done shrooms together other times, and it was funny. This trip for him was different because he was being antagonized by his friends

Angelica (DC)that aren't his friends anymore before I even got there. So by the time I got there, he was freaking out. >> I would say morally he's in the clear because he had no idea that it was you

Riley Nimibecause he was on shrooms. But >> for your future life, that is not a good thing to >> Yeah, obviously. >> But listen,

Angelica (DC)he was freaking out >> and he did something similarish. >> What if this happens with your newborn child? >> He wouldn't be on shrooms near a child. >> Okay. Why was he on shrooms near

Angelica (DC)>> He did something similar but less severe to his friends that were there before I was. They were supposed to be watching him and >> they wouldn't even have a conversation with

Angelica (DC)him. What I'm saying is >> how long you been with him? >> Uh 10 months. >> Once that's not enough time. >> And this happened. He said she's like 10 years. >> Can I ask you a question right now?

Angelica (DC)>> This happened this happened one month in. and you stop and you listen crazy. >> You deserve a better girl. You deserve better stand up.

Brian Atlas>> Just to be clear, I don't think you should ever be in in either direction. There should ever be any physical violence whatsoever. >> However, >> oh my goodness. Oh god. Oh my goodness.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. No. No. Hold on. Can there be a situation in like some [ __ ] nearend

Brian Atlasrelationship argument and your girlfriend is saying some terrible [ __ ] Uh again, I would never do this. I don't think it should

Brian Atlashappen. Or the woman hits the man, right? Say the woman slaps the man once and they've been together for three years, >> more likely. Or let's say the man and the woman been together for three years

Brian Atlasand he's never been violent to her before, but she says something like, "And that's why your dad left you." >> Now look, >> now look, I don't think you should ever hit a woman. >> But

Brian Atlas>> but forget everything else I just said. >> I would never hit a woman, but I could see a guy if a woman digs in with the

Brian Atlasknife in such a way Be a man and suck it up. >> Hold on. I'm just I would never do it. But I'm saying >> if you slapped a woman once,

Brian Atlas>> no. >> I slippery slope. Hold on. It's a slippery slope. >> And it never happens again. >> No. >> Can there be forgiveness? Can I'm I'm not suggesting. I'm just asking as a

Riley Nimiquestion. >> Can there be >> can it still work? Can somebody make a mistake? These ladies would not know that. It would never happen again. >> It's like the Sean Connory thing. It's

Brian Atlaslike you never do it with an open. >> You can give somebody a second chance, but never a third. >> No, not even a second. No one. >> Now, let's see if you're consistent, though. Let's see if you're consistent.

Brian AtlasUh, how about this? Wait, let me change the framing a bit. Your girlfriend cheats on you and you want you just open again. Never do this. You should leave. You should break up with her. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> But he slaps her across the face. >> Still not okay. >> Okay. It's You shouldn't, right? It's over, right?

Angelica (DC)>> Boyfriend cheats on his girlfriend. >> And she slaps him. >> Is there coming back from that? I bet you women are like, "Yeah, probably.

Brian Atlas>> I will probably slap him." So, it's worse cuz he's physically strong. Let's say they're like, "Okay, I cheated on you and you slapped me and she wants to make it work and he wants to make it work. Can it

Angelica (DC)>> Sorry. You said you're allowed to have a double stand earlier. We're allowed to have a double stander with this." Men should not hit women. A man should not hit. >> But it's okay for women. >> It's not It's not ideal, but it's not as bad.

Brian Atlas>> Brian, the big difference is that we're stronger than a woman. >> Look at Griselda. Look at her arms. She

Angelica (DC)looks strong. That's a strong woman. Independent women. Brian strong women. >> You're including

Barbara Adamsonsome men are actually weak. But I actually I think we're missing something really important that she said, which is the part about people giving up on

Barbara Adamsonrelationships too quickly. >> That doesn't apply to >> Hold on. I entirely agree with that position. And if like I'm I'm married, so maybe it's a little bit different,

Barbara Adamsonbut I can tell you with certainty that like I'm I'm in this marriage 110%. And if my husband like hauled off and slapped me, which I know who I married

Barbara Adamsonand I don't think he would ever do it, but I' I I wouldn't leave him over one time if it became a pattern. That's something different. I would say leave after the first

Brian AtlasI will leave him. I would >> is look is there ever a scenario where someone could say something so vile >> so disturbing so crushing

Brian Atlas>> women are getting that >> it would it would overwhelm you to the point where you your hand becomes rigid >> slow testosterone activity story about

Brian Atlasyeah I agree I agree with I've never hit a woman you should never hit a woman if a woman said some [ __ ] up [ __ ] to I mean, I'll tell her to get the [ __ ] out of my house. I'll tell her I'll tell her in harsh words. I I don't think I would

Brian Atlashit her, but I'm just saying. >> You don't think? >> That's cool. You don't think? >> Yes. I don't think >> you know that you wouldn't. But I think I know a woman. I know I wouldn't hit a woman. I'm just saying I'm just saying I'm interested in the double standard

Griseldathat exists. It seems like y'all give women leeway for slapping. There's not the same thing. I feel like once you get somebody relationship, he will knock down that.

Brian Atlas>> If hitting somebody is wrong. So, hold on. Let's say Hold on. Let's say in the scenario uh the man is weaker than the woman. He's married to like a steroid bodybuilder. Uh does that change anything? >> Well, technically physically it's been

Riley Nimiproven that they're still strong, but still I still keep up the double double standard. If you get to that point, the relationship is done. No one's going to go past that. You're bringing up some like that's some like liberal thing to do to bring up like some exception to the rule like some bodybuilder.

Angelica (DC)>> True. >> Like you said though, you can say whatever you want to say. There's other ways you can let out that frustration and that anger. You can yell at her. You can cuss her out. Like, okay, if she said something that foul, cuss her out. >> I still think that there's a breaking point though. I still think men and

Angelica (DC)women have their breaking point. And there is something that if if someone says it, it's almost like it's really hard. Basically, >> if somebody like >> you shouldn't do it. >> If my girl >> still shouldn't Yeah. If a hold on, I'm

Brian Atlasnot going to talk about me. I could see a man who has such a strong affinity for his father or his mother and his

Brian Atlassignificant other was mouththing off about his mother or his father. I could see I would never do it. I would understand.

Lii>> No, you leave and you never give that woman the time of day again. >> No, I've never hit that woman. Listen, >> you never hit a woman. >> I would understand. >> I've never hit anyone. I should still be

Angelica (DC)open to giving them a second chance. >> Well, actually, if you're in the situation where you are getting domestic with a woman, the woman can leverage it against you is the issue really. Like there is no appeal for a man if a woman

Angelica (DC)gets physical with him. In fact, she could even hurt herself and claim that the man did it. So, I think that's the double standard legally even that's happening basically. >> Well, how about uh how about this? A woman slaps a man. Can he slap her back? >> No. >> Yeah.

Angelica (DC)>> No. Okay. >> Hold on. Hold on. It depends. >> Like Taylor Frankie, >> she bridged the physical gap. >> He need to get out of there. Okay. What I do say, what I will say about like a man being able to like defend himself is if like a woman's like attacking him, he does have the right to like push her off

Brian Atlashim. >> Whole panel. Raise your hand. If a woman slaps a man, can he slap her back? Raise your hand. >> I do actually agree with that.

Brian AtlasYes. No. Oh, interesting. You could push her off. >> Now, look, to be clear. To be clear, I want to make something very clear. As a man, if a woman hits you, you should show restraint and you should not hit

Brian Atlasher back. You should remove yourself from the situation. It's over with that woman. >> Yep. >> It's It's over. >> That's my second amendment, right? If a man hits,

Brian Atlasshe shouldn't hit him back. >> But hold on. If I was in public and I saw a girlfriend as hard as she [ __ ] could slap a man, I would understand why he slaps her

Angelica (DC)back. >> It would be fair. That's fair. I think that's >> the second amendment right. If if a man shouldn't do it, but the fact if he was socially allowed to do it, women would hit less.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, how about Let me ask the black woman. A black man is dating a white woman and she calls him the n-word and slaps him. Can Can that brother find her? >> Can that brother slap a [ __ ]

Ally>> No. >> Can the brother slap a [ __ ] >> No. No. >> Tell him can the brother slap a [ __ ] >> I just think Yeah. I think like you can be provoked to a certain point. Like I

Angelica (DC)can say some real [ __ ] up [ __ ] Like so and I go there like if I know something like I don't like your kid has cancer. Like I don't care. I'm going to go there too. Like, okay, but he can go after your life. I don't care to feel pain about it.

Angelica (DC)>> You can always say something bad. They go low. You go lower with your words, >> but it's going to hurt you more if your man talks about something personal cuz we're emotional. So, it'll stick with you even if he's like, "Oh, I was mad in the moment." Like, >> okay, but he can still do that over

Brian Atlashitting a woman. >> Just uh really quick, final thing. By the way, prescriptively, I would say, even though I say I would understand it, uh men, if a woman slaps you, extricate yourself from the situation. Uh, even

Brian Atlasthough I think you would actually be legally justified slapping her back, I guess. Uh, and morally justified to slap her back. Whoa. >> Uh, no. You're totally morally just Hold on. She slapped you. Slap her. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> However, it tolerates abuse from her. That's the issue. Then she's allowed to go further. That's what women usually do with their >> Hold on. Hold on. As a man, even if a woman slaps you, my prescriptive advice would be you don't hit her back. You got

Brian Atlasto remove yourself from the situation. It's over. It's over because if if you're in public, she hits you, you hit her back, there's going to be white knight simps who are going to [ __ ] you up and then the cops are going to come

Brian Atlaseven though she's the aggressor. Uh you might end up getting arrested as the man even though she's the one who struck you. So for that reason, uh and just for the reason, look, you got you got [ __ ] slapped, you shouldn't hit back.

LiiUh I don't know. >> No, that was very much my situation. Like yeah, I did hit my ex and he got arrested. So Yeah. >> How about in a I'll say this. Wait, wait. How about this? In a genuine So,

Brian Atlasthe woman slaps once, but there's not a continuing threat. Let's say there's a continuing threat from from the woman, and now you're in a self-defense position. Can a man who's being assailed

Brian Atlasby a woman continuously, so the threat is persistent, can he then [ __ ] up a [ __ ] >> No, he can like he can push her off. even

Frankielegally speaking. Legally speaking, yeah, he's going to go to jail. >> Legally speaking, you can knock a [ __ ] out. >> Like if she has a weapon and she's coming at you morally morally morally,

Brian Atlasif a woman is knock a [ __ ] out, that's the only Hold on. If a woman is coming at you and you've made a determination like you're now self-defense, >> I feel like you should get out of that situation.

Brian Atlas>> Get out of that situation. There's not a duty. California. Uh, there's not a duty to retreat. If somebody's trying to punch you, you can punch them back. >> There is a duty to retreat in California. Actually, >> no, there's not. Wait, hold on. It's not

Riley Nimistand your ground in California, right? >> No. California stand uh California stand your ground. >> Stand your ground. >> They don't exactly have too strong of a You got to mean stand your ground in your own house in California. >> Yeah, exactly. >> If a robber breaks in, you're supposed

Riley Nimito run away upstairs >> and then call a social worker. >> I'd have to I'd have to look into it. If if you get into a gunfight with with with a robber >> and you shoot them in the front, if they if they see bolt holes in the chest and

Riley Niminot entering through the back, you will be tried and prosecuted in the state of California for that. >> Are you sure? >> Because it showed that they weren't trying or sorry if the bullet holes were in their back. >> No. Oh, in the back. >> If the bullet holes are in the back of a

Brian Atlasuh intruder, you will be sent to jail in the state of California. >> There's no castle. >> No, I'm pretty sure there's castle doctrine. No, California, you don't have a duty to retreat. I believe in California. I mean, look it up, of

Angelica (DC)course. But I >> Okay, I'll say I will say the only thing I would um accept from what I'm saying is like if she is pointing a gun at you or she has like a deadly weapon. >> Does California have castle doctrine? >> But how are you going to slap a woman

Angelica (DC)with a gun in her hand? It's like that's completely uneven. You got to slap a woman. >> You got to use an equal amount of force for it to be okay. You got to use an equal amount of force for it to be okay. >> That's just not an equal.

Brian Atlas>> It's kind of Yeah. So, California does have castle doctrine, but it's it's limited. Uh, it says you have the you have the right to use force, including deadly force, inside your home if

Brian Atlassomeone unlawfully and forcibly enters and you reasonably believe they pose an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. There is a legal presumption in your favor. If an intruder breaks into your home, the the

Brian Atlaslaw generally assumes your fear was reasonable. Uh, it apply it does apply mainly to your residents. not to your car, workplace, or public spaces. Okay, >> that's crazy. >> Uh, the force used must still be

Brian Atlasreasonable under the circumstances. It doesn't give unlimited Okay, stand your ground. >> And now come here. >> I might have been might have been wrong on the stand your ground uh thing then. >> But anyway, I don't think it was wrong

Brian Atlasfor me to have stayed with that guy. >> There's no explicit duty to retreat if you're somewhere you're legally allowed to be. However, self-defense still hinges on reasonableness and necessity.

Brian AtlasSo anyways, uh okay, next topic then. Uh let me blast through these. Uh dude, let's see. Oh yeah, I need to do that. Um okay. Uh the boyfriend strangled you.

Angelica (DC)You got a guy banned from Wing Stop after Give us the quick story. >> Um he'd had a crush on me for eight years. I eventually agreed to go on a

Angelica (DC)date with him. I did and then he started showing up at my work all the time. Um he brought like his family in to meet me just like he was a little bit delusional. And my sister >> brought the priest to marry you.

Angelica (DC)>> My sister was the manager. She was my boss. And so I I told her about it as a joke and she was like send me his number and a picture of him. And I was like, "Okay." Just kind of as my sister, but

Angelica (DC)apparently as my boss, she went to the district manager, got him banned. >> Oh goodness. >> Okay. Uh you dated a guy named Goose.

Angelica (DC)This [ __ ] this freaking guy. He genuinely had this delusion that he was the only real person in the world. Like he we were in a simulation. >> Real honestly.

Angelica (DC)>> What? Um >> how are you supposed to be in a relation? Like I I want to say that but he wasn't diagnosed. So like whatever >> if you have like no concept. >> Sorry. I got to move it on Hannah. Um you got excommunicated from the LDS

Hannahchurch. Why is that? >> I did. Uh cuz in high school I was being intimate with my high school boyfriend, but that is not like on par for Mormon culture at all. That was like a very

Hannahvery weird like extreme uh I think >> I'll be right back. >> Like >> was he also Mormon?

Hannah>> No. No, but the bishop at the time was like a high school teacher and I don't The whole thing was weird. That's not normal though. It takes a lot in LDS culture to get excommunicated. So, it

Hannahwasn't even it wasn't the fact that I was excommunicated. It was what was more hurtful was the things that people said or assumed because I was >> like people had like made assumptions that I potentially was pregnant and had an abortion or things and it was like I

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