HEATED DEBATE! She Got Her Ex DEPORTED?! Excommunicated Mormon/LDS?! Woke E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk 289

Date: 2026-04-06

Duration: 11h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBarbara Adamson >

AAngelica (DC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Joy(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Emily Mack(guest)

SPEAKER_03Frankie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Angelica (DC)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally(guest)

SPEAKER_06Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_09Riley Nimi(guest)

SPEAKER_10Griselda(guest)

SPEAKER_11Barbara Adamson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lii(guest)

SPEAKER_14Hannah(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 13 guests introduce themselves - largest panel ever

Key MomentGriselda reveals she crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor

ControversyRiley proposes shooting anyone who crosses the border

Key MomentAngelica reveals she lied about being engaged - actually married

Key MomentAlly reveals boyfriend strangled her on shrooms, she stayed with him

Key MomentHannah excommunicated from LDS church in high school

Key MomentAnna unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer

OtherLongest Whatever stream ever - approaching 11 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

13 guests including Riley Nimi (conservative), Griselda (Mexican immigrant), Hannah, Anna (Marine vet), and many more. Longest Whatever stream ever (~11 hours).

Griselda Immigration Story

Crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor brought by father. Now has green card through marriage.

Riley Proposes Shooting Border Crossers

Controversial immigration solution sparks strong panel reaction.

Angelica Reveals She Is Actually Married

Lied about being engaged; actually married ~2 years with more money than husband.

Ally Boyfriend Strangled Her on Shrooms

Boyfriend had drug-induced psychosis, strangled her one month into relationship. She stayed.

Hannah LDS Excommunication

Excommunicated from Mormon church in high school for intimacy with boyfriend.

Anna Craigslist Killer Date

Unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer in San Diego.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Panel struggles with basic geography and history. Someone says Hitler ruled Poland.

Show Wrap - Longest Stream Ever

Show wraps after approaching 11 hours.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswhether it's related to their looks or something else. They're delusional. They have a big ego. They have pride. And but I think there's a difference. I think if a man is like, I'm a 10, I'm the [ __ ]

Brian AtlasAnd then he goes and like say he could be pleasant and say he makes himself sexually available to women. uh even women in his league. Um but

Brian Atlaslet's say like he he's shooting outside of his league or whatever. Uh men are going to men face rejection on the front end. Women will face a different sort of

Brian Atlasrejection typically on the back end. Um so as a man, if I go up to a girl and say she's out of my league, like say she

Brian Atlaslook, I'm I'm [ __ ] 36. I'm pasty. Um I'm chubby right now. Poor skin clarity. [ __ ] big note. Like, bro, I've could list like my my deficits and I stepped

Brian Atlasto a [ __ ] I don't know 25-year-old supermodel gen not like the Calvin Klein like fat woke supermodels like models like a genuine supermodel like I'm

Brian Atlasgetting rejected like it I'm getting rejected. Um men men will face that on the front end but I could be pleasant and I could you know make myself

Brian Atlasavailable. Let's say I'm not getting if I step outside my league, I'm really Look, sometimes you get you get lucky, right? Maybe. But generally speaking, if you step outside your league as a man,

Brian Atlasyou're going to get rejected. I'm not getting I'm not getting a date. I'm not getting uh I'm not getting a number. I'm not going to get I'm not going to get a kiss. I'm not going to get sex. Not going to get a relationship. I get

Brian Atlasnothing. Now, as a woman, as a woman, if you shoot your shot with a guy outside of your league and you're pleasant and you make yourself available to him, if you understand what I'm saying, I'm not

Brian Atlassaying you have to be like, "Hey, want to fuck?" But if you're approaching a guy and you're making yourself available to him, he's going to look and say, "Oh,

Brian Atlasshe's pleasant. I can [ __ ] I'll [ __ ] her once, twice, three times. Maybe he'll keep you around. Friends with benefits. That's why women get in situationships

Brian Atlasuh you're not attractive enough for that guy to want to lock down. And to be fair, sometimes a guy is not in the place where he even wants a relationship, even if it is with a girl who's in his league. But you make

Brian Atlasyourself uh available and pleasant and you offer up [ __ ] Even if that guy is not okay, even if that guy looks at you and he's like on

Brian Atlasher looks alone, I would never be in a relationship with her, he'll [ __ ] Like he'll [ __ ] you, he'll use you for sex. I'm not saying it's right, but he'll do it. Whereas like I think for women, in

Brian Atlasorder for a woman to have sex with a man, that man has to be at least attractive enough that she w she uh would be in a relationship with him. So

Brian AtlasI'll say say that again. In order for a woman to have sex with a man, he needs to be at least attractive enough, some level of baseline that she would be in a relationship with that guy. For men,

Brian Atlasit's comp it's like the inverse. And actually, it's inverse in a couple different ways. For women, um, for a woman to have a one night stand, it it

Brian Atlasit's almost the total opposite. When a man's just looking for casual sex, one night stand, like, yeah, maybe he'll like ideally it's better to have it with the hottest girl you can get, but he'll

Brian Atlasgo down to get the one night stand. When a woman's willing to have a one night stand or a casual sexual encounter, the guy, it's not like, I need to get laid out. I'll just like I'll get it with

Brian Atlaslike an unattractive guy. Um, no. Actually, women will break their w rule for casual sex. The guy actually has to be more attractive. He has to be really hot. If she isn't otherwise uh if a

Brian Atlaswoman isn't otherwise interested in casual sex, if the guy's like really [ __ ] hot, she'll go she'll break her rule in that direction. >> I think you're completely right. >> I think I'm wrong. >> You think I'm right? You're right. Like a girl like, "Ah, I'm looking for a

Brian Atlasrelationship, but he's so [ __ ] hot. I guess I'll [ __ ] like women will break their rule that way whereas like so so I think there's a difference here. So because and look I'm not saying it's right a man will sleep with a woman

Brian Atlas>> and just just on her looks alone he would never be in a relationship with her. He's already categorized her as like sex only. Um, not >> kind of cuz men are just like more down bad and like more willing to >> Well, no, that's it's biological.

Riley Nimi>> Yeah. So, like the rule behind it is when when a woman would have sex with a man for the entirety of the like reproductive um uh lifespan, you could say um she has to be pregnant for 9 months in order to reproduce. >> I already understand it's biological. >> Yeah. So, a woman has to be pregnant for

Riley Nimi9 months. >> Men just are the kid sex more often. >> Yeah. And then the man for him to successfully reproduce it takes him like 5 10 15 minutes. That's why men are less by the way. And I'm making the point for people who don't know that. Okay, so it's yeah, it's a podcast. Um, so I

Riley Nimimean, yeah, that that's basically what comes down to it. Uh, women are picky because they're like, should I risk having a child with this man? Is he able to provide? While uh men are kind of just like stick your dick dick in anything that has a hole, including Gorlock. So, um, yeah, that's

Angelica (DC)essentially it. >> Would you agree that vagina rules the world then? >> Uh, no. Maybe persuades, you could say. Well, by by that logic, especially the say that casual sex, >> especially the big labas like Brian, >> by that logic, you would have to say

Angelica (DC)that casual sex is a currency that women have and it's not it's oppressive to women. It distorts their soul. It just makes them dysfunctional. So, it's it's not that vagina rules the world. It's that if a man does do that to you, it leaves you wounded. And for him, it

Brian Atlasleaves him addicted to sex. It makes him obese. Yeah, >> it's true. >> I don't know. Did Did anything that I said say there did did any of that make sense to any of the women? Like does that map on to reality for any of you?

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah. I also think the amount of lust that men can have due to that sometimes can be a problem. >> Yeah. Really quick, um you have pronouns, right? >> Yeah. Don't you have pronouns in your Instagram bio? >> Probably. But >> what what are they like fa them or

Brian Atlassomething? >> Oh, yeah. I thought they sounded cool. >> Oh, those aren't your actual pronouns? No. Okay. So, anyways, back to this just really quick finishing off my my point here. And I think there's a couple

Brian Atlasthings like why the looks rating matters. Um, so I think also because of this, because women can sleep with men, say that are outside their league. Like

Brian Atlasfor example, Drake, he'll just [ __ ] some like good-looking Instagram chick who is like socioeconomically completely below him. I I mean, he he's probably like

Brian Atlasselecting for good looks, so maybe like she's better looking than him. But you'll have like famous men who will date these women. So you'll have like average women who can have access to men who are more attractive than them.

Brian AtlasGranted, these men are just using them for sex, but it's like be pleasant and you're an averagel looking woman. Make yourself sexually available. Like you can [ __ ] men who would never commit to you, but who are like attractive. Um,

Brian Atlasand you see this happening on dating apps. Like a guy might just be like on a [ __ ] Friday some like really attractive dude who's on a dating app. Oh, here's some like chubby averagel looking chick. Okay, I'll [ __ ] her. Like

Brian Atlas>> you might object to it, but like this is a phenomenon that happens and then that chubby average looking chick is like, "Oh, I [ __ ] a dude who's like a nine or an eight. I therefore I must be an

Brian Atlaseight, too." And then they look at the guys who are like chubby average looking dudes and they're like, "I can do better." But it's like, no, the guy just wants to use you for sex. You got and if you want a relationship,

Brian Atlas>> you're not going to get the hot dude and you're a chubby average looking chick, you're not going to get the hot dude. Uh, go match up with the chubby average look like dude. So, it's like >> I think it would it would benefit the dating sphere more if men were slightly more intentional about who they had sex

Angelica (DC)with. >> I'm fine. I'm totally fine with that. >> I'm totally fine with that. >> We're also discussing people who are ultimately empty. I mean, there's been the subject, as Hannah has brought up multiple times, of character where, yes, looks are important to get your foot into the door, but ultimately average

Angelica (DC)people are usually in long-term committed relationships with other average people. It's typically the extremes that are really ugly, like the polyamorous people where it's just like a cesspit or really successful and gold diggers are going after them. But

Brian Atlasaverages, so not black pill, the majority of people are averages. They're dating pretty much within their own field. >> Uh, yes. for getting uh relationships.

Brian AtlasBut if I I would argue that like for example, I think averagel looking men don't have sexual access to women who are betterl looking than them uh who are outside their league, but averagel

Brian Atlaslooking women definitely have limited sexual access to men who are outside of their league. Now whether they act on it or not is different. I'm not saying all women do this. I argue all women have

Brian Atlasthe capacity to do it. Furthermore, I would argue this. I think that as a man, if I have sex with a woman, I have a high confidence level. I can get that woman into a relationship. I don't think

Brian Atlaswomen can be quite as confident as like, for example, let me ask, >> just because you can sleep with a guy, how confident are you in all instances that you can get him into a relationship? >> It's harder.

Brian Atlas>> I feel like you guys would be not quite as confident, but I'm very confident. If I can sleep with a woman, >> it's not 100%, but I'm very confident I can get her into relationship. >> You're using the wrong value systems. It's like saying, "Oh, well, you know,

Angelica (DC)women can sleep with whoever they want." Sexual access to a woman is not a value metric. It's a relationship, as you pointed out, and a relationship access is not really a value metric to a man who doesn't want to date someone who he just has interest in having sex with. You're putting a value metric that men

Angelica (DC)have onto women, saying, "Oh, you can sleep with whoever you want." Women don't like that. As Riley already pointed out, we're not really someone Continue. Continue. >> Mexico came to us. >> I'm in heaven. >> Yeah.

Angelica (DC)>> Continue. >> Um, women are not interested in having sex with just a random high status man. They're trying to secure him and bait him with sex into a relationship. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I got to push back on

Brian Atlasthis. Do you think do you think that a woman who is [ __ ] Chris Brown thinks that there's a high probability she's going to get a relationship relationship?

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Like she wants a relationship, but like realistically >> remember delusion. But like I understand like the yes, maybe she does want a relationship, but I think like

Brian Atlaspragmatically speaking, I think most women who [ __ ] like famous dudes, realistically speaking, like >> if a guy's in a relationship, >> they know they're not going to get the guy. >> If a guy's in a relationship with a

Angelica (DC)girl, is he really wanting to get her flowers and get her all of this stuff or is he trying to get sex? >> Whoever bought the merch. Wait, what? If a guy is in a relationship with a girl, does he want to be cuddling, holding hands, giving her flowers, or is he using the relationship to get sex?

Brian AtlasLikewise, if a woman is having sex with a high status man, is she doing it because she really wants to have sex with him, or is it because she's trying to get a relationship out of him? >> So, you're are you arguing that that

Brian Atlaswomen are uh disinterested in sex and their own sexual pleasure, and they're using sex as a form of leverage to secure men into long-term relationships? If women were interested in sex, why do you have an abundance of women saying

Brian Atlasthey don't enjoy it and that men don't give them pleasure and that they're not completely Hold on. I think it's completely First off, women are the ones who have [ __ ] multiple orgasms. I would argue I would actually argue I

Brian Atlasargue that women derive more pleasure. Women are the ones with their legs [ __ ] like shaking. Less than 10% of women in one night stands orgasm.

AnnaMen are guaranteed an orgasm. Women are not guaranteed that whatsoever. >> Okay. Well, that's that's on you guys. But I'm saying women don't have orgasms as actually most women don't orgasm

Angelica (DC)during sex. Most statistically, if a woman if a woman is unstable and reckless, she might have an orgasm with a man in an unstable and reckless situation. But for the majority of women, our head has to be at a place of

Brian Atlasstability, trust. Look, I I I don't dispute that yes, men like in in a given sexual encounter, men are more likely to be the ones to climax. Like there's no dispute there. But to be clear, I think

Brian Atlaslike in a relationship, um >> I think like I mean it depends on the women. Some women have like difficulty climaxing, but like >> most women def Hold on. I don't know. Like maybe I just been like when I roll

Brian Atlasthe dice I've been lucky or whatever. Like bro, these women have [ __ ] No, >> I faked a lot. Okay. >> Okay. Well, that's funny. >> Get this over with. >> That's that's totally Wow. That's >> a lot of women. You should never fake

Brian AtlasHold on. You should never fake an orgasm because it just sets you up like for for you got to be Oh, men are bad communicators. Hold on. Y'all are the ones faking orgasms. Communicate with your sexual partner. >> Do it for the men, though. Putting down

Annamy business. >> Can we go around the table and ask every woman who's faked an orgasm at least once? Can we do that? I don't think >> Sure. Show hands. Who's faked an orgasm? >> Oh [ __ ] >> Yikes. >> Wait. It's not like the usual, but it happens. Like, it happens, you know?

Angelica (DC)>> It happens. Yeah. Sometimes you're just enjoying yourself and they think that you did and you're like >> it's for sex is a bonding thing. >> I want I want it. Sometimes it's like an ego boost though. Like you know he thinks like he's really putting in work.

Riley NimiSo I really want to work and we're going to be here for 6 hours and I don't these women aren't having orgasms because they're desensitized from their vibrators. Like we all know that's the actual truth of it.

Barbara AdamsonOnce they get into the relationship though, their levels of sexual satisfaction and orgasm goes up. Wait. >> Oh my god. Okay. >> Sorry for the delay, man. Sorry for the

SPEAKER_07delay. >> I agree with you, Brian. Dot. I do not understand why your guests are disagreeing. >> Thank you, bro. >> FYI, I have no room to say nothing else. >> I need uh I bought the champagne. We're

Brian Atlasgoing to I'll I'll do it now. You keep promising us. Thank you for the Yo, Robert Tanner. Thank you for the big guys. W's in the chat for Robert $1,000. [ __ ] what a [ __ ] legend. Uh, we're

Brian Atlasgoing to pop two champagne bottles. Uh, I'm going to be double fisting it. GG William, I noticed most ladies suggested the young lad to grow his beard. Quick question. What would be your reaction if you meet a man with that beard you like? You sleep together and the in the

Angelica (DC)morning it's gone. >> Oh, it's makeup. It's makeup essential. I've met guys who've shaved and I'm like but I liked them so I got over it >> literally. I know I have a hot take when it comes to orgasm. Sex is supposed to

Angelica (DC)be a bonding thing that unites two souls. With men I honestly feel like their emotions are in their like private parts. If they hate you, they have like violating fantasies about you. If they love you, they make love to you. And if they're like annoyed by you, they just f

Angelica (DC)you. Like it's all a metric of how they're emotionally feeling towards you. When it comes to women, just having that physical intimacy is good enough where it's just like bonding you to this guy. The the climax itself is like a cherry

Angelica (DC)on top, but it's more so just being able to have that intimacy with him that's more important. That's why foreplay is important for women, not to climax, but just to have that affection and attention. So that's why I'm like we're arguing oranges and tomatoes. We're equalizing men and women when they're not the same.

Riley Nimi>> I mean, the only thing that really matters is men climaxing because that's what re leads to a >> Yeah. But men also lie about climaxing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. a guy lying about. >> Why is that the only reason that why is

Barbara Adamsonour pleasure not important? >> No, he's saying forction when it comes to the male orgasm is the only thing necessary for getting >> How would a man fake an orgasm?

Angelica (DC)>> Well, they can't get an orgasm if we're dry. So, you better start making us wet. So, maybe I've actually like witnessed my ex actually lie about nutting. Like

Angelica (DC)straight up [ __ ] lie about nutting. And you know, he'll like he'll do like the >> Did you also witness a >> lock and like all that extra [ __ ] right? And I know he didn't nut. >> He don't have to look, >> but like he will lie and say that he nutted

Angelica (DC)>> just to try to make me feel better. >> But like I know you didn't nut. So men also lie about nutting the same way that women lie about nutting because we want to make each other feel

Angelica (DC)>> sometimes I guarantee you men will do it a lot less than women do >> because they're not exactly able to. That's true. I mean, I don't I'm not saying I don't fake it. Most of the time I don't even have it. >> So, you didn't believe him, though,

Riley Nimiright? You instantly didn't believe him. >> Oh, no. >> Why? >> Well, I would know. >> Yeah, you would know. Obviously, is there something that physical that happens, not just mental, right? So, that's why a man can't

Griselda>> Why do you say that men ejaculating is the only most important thing that women climate in? I don't I just >> because when a man ejaculates Yeah. When a when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much, >> I know that

Griselda>> the man goes inside the woman finishes and the sperm combines with an egg to make children. Right. Right. So is the most important thing. >> It is a lot more important than a hobby to man.

Barbara AdamsonHe's just trying to make the point that the male orgasm is the only thing necessary for reproduction, which is what sex is actually for. >> Like it is pleasurable. It is meant to

Barbara Adamsonbe a bonding thing. like from a Christian standpoint, it is a representation of, you know, basically your your spiritual, you know, the

Barbara Adamsonchurch in Christ and it's beautiful. But like as far as what the organs and all of that system is made for, it is ultimately made for reproduction. >> Yeah. The entire reason all of you guys

Frankiewant to have sex is is for reproduction. The only reason. >> Except majority of the guys that are sleeping with women that they don't find attractive are not trying to get them pregnant. >> Okay. Yeah, but the biological drive

Barbara Adamsonthat's underpinning that, it's not that they're consciously thinking, >> I want to have a kid, but subconsciously >> I want to get her pregnant. >> It's the it's the >> that's what creates the the base animal urge driving the behavior, not conscious

Angelica (DC)thought. >> That's why Christianity is important because with morality, it restricts man's promiscuity, but without it, he turns into an animal and animals in the animal kingdom will have sex with whatever movie. Christianity is uniquely

Barbara Adamsonbeneficial for women because it actually instead of like giving men a pass for monogamy, it was like no, you both will be chased and only be with one another. And so it was actually in my opinion

Barbara Adamsonvery liberating for women because women were also considered equal in value in a culture that didn't necessarily believe that. And so >> women are equal, >> huh? >> Women are equal. They're not the same,

Barbara Adamsonbut they're equal. Like in the same way four quarters is equal to is equal to a dollar >> spiritually. the same >> spiritually equal spiritually equal because I I do think there's a distinction in like how

Anna>> you know mentally >> but don't you think that it's important like as a couple to become close and we obviously have uh clitorises for a reason so that we can also experience >> incentivize it's to incentivize

Angelica (DC)reproduction >> okay >> but I would also say for women for it to be bonding when you get pleasure >> physical contact like affection for a which is why the romance industry is so

Brian Atlasdominant for a woman. It's how do you give me attention? How do you give me affection? I'll take some. Um >> uh do you guys recall your champagne cups? If you want to pass them down. >> Actually, that was my refill. You put it in those. >> I think I put it in there.

Brian Atlas>> I didn't have one. So, I'll take >> You know what? Maybe lipstick. >> Should I just do Who wants champagne? >> Wait. One, two, three, four.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, no. I'm done. >> Wait. One, two, three, four, five, six. Okay. Uh, I'll be back. Continue on with the content. >> What was your name again? >> Angelica.

Angelica (DC)>> Angelica. What's your denomination? >> Orthodox. >> Okay. Yeah. Easter's next week. But what happened? Romance for a woman. The industry itself, that's the reason it caters to us so much is cuz we want to feel in love. No little girl is going, you know, whatever. They're playing

Barbara Adamsonhouse. They're playing the romance thing. Whatever. When life gives you the punches, you just kind of go, okay, I got to be rugged about it. the the big romance industry has been incredibly detrimental to relationships.

Barbara Adamson>> It's like porn. >> It is. And like I'm sorry, but books like 50 Shades of Gray and stuff like that, it's just porn for women. It's just that because of Yeah. Pride and prejudice, but that's a whole

Barbara Adamson>> men are attracted to looks while women are attracted to words. And that's my story. And that's why we wear because in, you know, erotica, you have all the many pages detailing the relationship

Barbara Adamsonbuilding, the context building, the romance, and so women tend to find that obviously more, you know, attractive. But like the whole like romance novel, the romance movies, it sells this like

Riley Nimihorribly inaccurate idea of what relation they're essentially. All these smart novels are direct evidence of why women were not allowed to be authors back in the day. Such a wonderful time. >> When it comes to what you were saying, it's true, but I would propose the

Angelica (DC)question for the average woman, is it more important for them to be able to have that climax or is it more important for them to feel loved and have that affection in the relationship? >> In fact, I agree. When it comes to a man, if you don't if you text him, okay,

Angelica (DC)and you're kind of dry with him, usually they're not going to care because they're just going to take it at face value. But if you're not having sex with him, he's going to feel like you don't actually care about him. >> So, it's a different metric. >> And I would argue that uh >> Wait, really, really quick here. Did

Brian Atlaseverybody get their champagne? >> No, wait. I was just going to say I think more women should care about their sexual pleasure. >> Hold on. Uh >> I was just going to say that

Anna>> uh cheers to Robert Tanner Saloo. >> Thank you, Robert. I want to call Brian a little bit of a

Annafeminist used and that is because can I say why >> giving women orgasms is >> no you started off this is a toxic better than some men

Anna>> this story right here is the toxic feminism that's ruining that that has ruined men is what I want to say >> what what >> when you started off with men women want

Annato put themselves on a pedestal and women think that they're queens and LA. In order for us to feel comfortable with these with men, most women, you have to feel comfortable. And I believe it's a

Annaman's duty to make a woman feel comfortable within herself. Um, if if I'm giving Now, don't judge me for my past, okay? I've obviously changed, but if I'm giving my body, I want to feel

Annasafe with said man. And if you're treating me like I'm not like I'm just disposable and not the queen that you think that we're then I mean I just think that was a very feminist point of view to say well women shouldn't be

Annatreated like queens. They put themselves on a pedestal. It's a man's duty to make us feel comfortable. If you want to lead in a relationship it's a man's duty to lead and lead by making us feel

Annacomfortable and saying is oh hey princess you're on a pedestal. Like it's your duty to make if you want us to lean in and you want to lead the relationship, which I think men should. >> Hold on.

Brian Atlas>> I'm all about that. So I can response. So this is a criticism, correct? >> Not at all. >> Wait, hold on. What?

Anna>> Why is it a criticism? >> I Your point is a bit incoherent, but so you said, Brian, you're a feminist. Brian, >> no, I didn't say that. I said you s you opened up with like a kind of a feminist

Brian Atlastalking point. >> Okay. I have a feminist talking point which are are you pro or anti-feminist? >> Anti. >> Okay. So, it's a criticism. Right. If >> Well, I one of the questions before I

Annacame on here was what is something that you believe in that may be a little bit high topic or what I'm paraphrasing and it my response was I think feminism is ruining society for both men and women, not just women. >> Okay, totally agree. But what is my

Brian Atlasfeminist point? that we shouldn't be put on pedestals and made to feel like queens. >> If you want a man to lead, which I think >> you disagree. Wait, wait, wait. So, you

Brian Atlasdisagree with the point I made about women thinking they're queens. Is that >> You just said women put themselves way too high on a pedestal.

Anna>> If you want to leave a relationship, >> then it's a man's duty to make a woman feel safe and secure. And if you're wandering around with the attitude of this woman just thinks she's something she's not, how are how are you going to

Brian Atlaslead that relationship? >> That's the perfect frame. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, hold on. What? That it's a bit incoherent, but I'll try to parse it. So, okay. Um, I have an objection.

Brian Atlas>> Um, I have an objection to women categor viewing themselves as queens because I bit I believe it's a bit uh it's hubris and it's pride. Um, and it was it was in the context of women having an

Brian Atlasoverestimation of their uh, attractiveness in the dating marketplace. Um, but uh, it was also a bit of a joke. The queen, why I think it's cringe to like refer to like

Brian Atlasguys who call themselves alpha male is super cringe. Uh, if they call themselves a king, I guess that's cringe. Women who call themselves I'm a queen, I'm a boss. Well, that's dumb. That's [ __ ] cringe. But like treating

Annaher like a queen. Am I the king in this? >> If if you want do you are you into traditional relationship like a queen? You kind of are though. Like >> Yeah. If we're taking care of the home, we're cooking, we're cleaning, we're taking care of your children, we carry

Brian Atlasyour children, and you don't want to treat us like a queen. >> What does that mean? >> How does that make us feel? >> Why do I have a Hold on. So I have a term queen. >> I have a duty to treat a woman like a queen. So okay, first we'd have to What

Brian Atlasdo we mean by duty? And then what do we mean by queen? Like I'm not suggesting men should like mistreat women. However, this idea I need to treat a woman like a queen. I think women view it like she's

Brian Atlasthe queen and I'm the [ __ ] dancing. Do we have the [ __ ] meme? Hey, pull up the Discord. Go into the Discord and uh it's in the It's in the memes. Yeah.

Brian AtlasYeah. Go into the uh resources memes. It's the like two up two or three up. And there's a GIF a GIF. a GIF that's like a Click on that. >> Uh,

Brian Atlas>> I knew you were going to put >> Yeah, click on it. Click on it >> and then like click on the photo below it. So, I think this is what women mean when like like this is dating for men. It's not I'm the king. It's your [ __ ]

Brian Atlasjester and like I have to perform for the woman who's the queen. Like this I reject. This is [ __ ] [ __ ] I completely reject it. So, this idea I have a duty to treat a woman like like a

Annaqueen, what does that mean? So, is a queen subordinate to the king? >> For me, the definition of queen is just making her feel safe. Okay. I was just using your words, but I'm just saying making a woman feel safe. Making a woman like an exaggerated.

Anna>> Yeah. You're the one that brought queen. I'm just using your word. >> No, you brought queen up. >> Well, cuz I'm using your words. >> You're just like around with the word. We don't actually think this man needs to make me feel >> to worship me. No, he just needs to make me feel safe. He needs to make me feel wanted. He needs to make me feel all of

Annathese things. And I and I think a woman should make her man feel the same way. I'm I'm not saying that it's one way. >> I think most women wouldn't actually want a man to kind of like like act subordinate to her. A woman wouldn't be really into that, >> right? If a guy is over here saying,

Anna"Uh, who do you think you are? Like, you're just here to make babies and that's it." Like, is that going to make a woman want to be in >> so hard to parse this because it's like all over the place? But >> it is. >> Um, so he wants women to be submissive, >> right? That's what I'm saying. You want

Brian Atlaswomen to be submissive, but then you think that women shouldn't be put on a pedestal's >> Yeah, women should not be put on a pedestal. I think you can be submissive when you feel safe in >> how is that feminine? >> Wait, most women want the submissive.

Brian Atlas>> No, it's actually the feminist, the male feminist, the male feminists are the one who pedestalize women. It's it's the soy boy, the liberal men who ped pedestalize women. >> But that's like fake feminist. >> I don't Yeah, I don't actually think

Brian Atlasthat at all. >> Yeah. >> Wait, a rejection. I mean, hold on. if you >> So there's a bit of a nuance here in so far as like in some ways you'll see from

Brian Atlasboth a feminist perspective but also a almost a conservative perspective a pedestalization of women which I personally object to. >> Um

Brian Atlas>> so I don't believe that uh women should be pedestalized. Now of course you should treat your girlfriend or wife uh you should treat her well. You should uh take care of her. you should uh >> well that's being put on a pedestal.

Angelica (DC)>> Be a good boyfriend, be a good husband, but >> but a rejection of pedestalization >> I don't think is >> I think the language around relationships are all dysfunctional where it's like people say what do I want? What do I want? What do I want?

Angelica (DC)But a nature of a relationship is self-sacrificial. It's supposed to be what can I provide? What can I provide? And when you have that lens, you can have discernment to tell if someone else is going to be a bad bet or if they're going to be someone that can compliment

Angelica (DC)your giving and say, "I can basically fit you in this way that a puzzle piece could." >> Also, when it comes to pedestalization, I think this, and I think others would agree with me, if a man acted like he was like worshiping me and I was on this pedestal, it would be kind of like

Angelica (DC)unattractive a little bit. >> It would kind of give me the unattractive. >> Yeah. It depends on your attachment style, too. Whenever I'm dating someone, I kind of am very codependent. And so when another man's codependent, we're always just kind of very mushy together.

Brian AtlasBut if he's like avoidant, >> just to uh just to wrap up on the original topic, >> you asked the question of uh why do I ask the question uh I don't know if that was a satisfactory answer.

Anna>> That was great. >> I mean, >> no, I think we just had different like when you said this is how a woman should be treated. I agree. >> Talking to her. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Um but uh so was there

Brian Atlas>> anything you like further disagreement? Do you think that maybe there there's an understanding as to why I asked the question or did I not >> No, I get it. I get it. I was just genuinely curious cuz that's

Brian Atlas>> I mean I do I do think it is the case that uh you know I think I think a lot of women not all women but a lot of women do think that they are more

Brian Atlasattractive than they actually are. And this is going to uh they're going to select a mate. Like I guess I would frame it like this. Like let's say you think your house is

Brian Atlasworth $5 million, but it's only worth a million. >> No buy. >> You might get some people who come and like do a viewing.

HannahThey might walk through it. They ain't going to buy the house. >> You might run through it too. >> They might run through this entire with men too though. Do you feel like men have a tendency to rate themselves higher or no?

Brian Atlas>> Not to the same not to the same degree. Uh there are certainly men who are delusional. There are definitely men who aren't kind of aware of their standing. Um >> do you think money and status make them delusional?

Brian Atlas>> We're >> Well, that would be a different value proposition, but um I I think there's like a total you can do like a assessment in totality. So, it's like, okay, well, if you're an averagel

Brian Atlaslooking guy, but your personality is stellar and you're super rich and all these other things, that might bolster you a little bit. But actually, you know, interestingly enough, I actually think there's like massive amounts of discrepancy in the dating marketplace

Brian Atlaswhere like, for example, like the CEO of a billion-dollar company, uh, say he's in like his mid-30s or whatever, he's going to have a harder time dating than the like good-looking secretary.

Brian AtlasLike that's that's the dating marketplace where like you could have the CEO of a major billion-dollar corporation who's making millions and millions of dollars a year, maybe like eight figures, who has a harder dating

Brian Atlaslife than a [ __ ] like maybe let's say like a a seven secretary. >> Have we seen Sam Alman's girlfriend? >> Who Sam Alman's girlfriend? >> I have not. Is she Is she >> Can we get this pulled up?

Brian Atlas>> Can we Can we Google the the girlfriends? Uh, while you're doing that, uh, Shona, can you read this? >> Um, okay. >> Sam Alman, >> just Sam Alman girlfriends will give you the >> Should I read it?

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah. >> Any real man knows if a woman is faking. Sorry, but women can't fake an org without a guy knowing. Most just don't care as long as they get theirs. Brian, what the f is this pod? You showed your hand. Not your usual stuff. Idk, but

Brian AtlasI've been following for a couple years now. What did Rachel last? Yeah, you're that's a total vague post. What hand did I show that you objected? What the [ __ ] is this? What What is your actual uh What is

Anna>> He actually disagreed with that. You actually disagreed with that comment. >> Wait, what? >> I said you disagreed when we said women fake orgasms. You disagreed with that comment and he just said, "What are you talking about?" >> I don't even know if that's what he's

Brian Atlasreferencing, the fake orgasm thing as it relates to you showed your hand, not your usual stuff. Um, >> what does that even mean? >> Well, I don't know that you showed your hand. >> And I don't think I actually >> Yeah. No, he didn't.

Angelica (DC)>> Wait, what? >> I don't think the chatter is referencing the orgasm in that part of the chat. >> Yeah. Okay. Oh my god. >> I'm just surprised we referenced a question made 3 hours ago. I was like, the whole conversation was because of the question. >> That was crazy.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, downdraft, thanks for the super chat, though. I have no [ __ ] idea what you're talking about. And that only came in like 10 minutes ago. So, um, thank you though. Uh, reminders, guys. $10 display. Oops. What the heck did I just do? Uh, $100 read, $200 TTS, VMO,

Brian Atlascash app, whatever. Pod. Pull up Twitch really quick and then we'll do the Sam Alman thing. >> It It was Sman Freed, by the way. The FTX scandal. >> Oh, okay. >> Crypto scandal. Yeah. >> Uh, yo, guys, I need We have 1,200

Brian Atlaswatching on Twitch. Guys, drop us a Twitch follow and a Twitch prime sub. Drop us a prime sub. Guys, it's been an hour since we last got the prime sub. I think it's bugged, boys. Can somebody just like test it out and maybe see if

Brian Atlasit's working? I think it's bugged. So, if somebody can just clear up the the like something's wrong with Twitch, maybe just try to clear it up. I think if you just somebody just sends in a prime, it'll like fix it or whatever, it'll something will get fixed. You

Brian Atlasknow, sometimes you just, you know, it's like with uh you know, your your computer, sometimes you just got to restart it. Sometimes you just got to send in the Prime sub and it fixes the, you know, sometimes you just got to smack the printer and it'll it'll start

Brian Atlasworking, whatever. Uh anyways, uh there it is. Sadder, thank you for the uh Prime. Appreciate it. Also guys, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video, please. Where are we on the likes? Let me see if I can hold people

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Brian Atlasgot 5,600 on YouTube, guys. Get us to 3,000 likes. Please get us to 3,000 likes over there on YouTube if you're enjoying the stream. Uh, do you have the thing for the girlfriend or whatever? >> Sam is gay. No, Sigman Freed at the FTX

Brian Atlascrypto. >> Is he Is she hot or something or >> opposite? >> Yeah, but he's a billionaire. >> He's not the Yeah, but he's like like isn't he super autistic and ugly? >> He is. He is. That's a good point. >> I feel like most billionaires are. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Can we also point out that men use women for money, too? >> Whoa. What? >> True. No, it's true. It's so true. It's so true. >> Okay. So, look, we're not Look, um,

Brian Atlasokay, but we're talking in generalities here. So, like, are there male prostitutes? Yes. >> Not prostitutes. >> No, I know, but I'm like I'm using a other example to articulate my point. Do

Brian Atlasmale prostitutes exist for for women? Uh, yes, but it's super rare. So, like, yeah, there are men who use women for money. There are women who are sugar

Brian Atlasmamas or whatever, but like the ratio of sugar daddy to sugar mama has to be like for every thousand uh sugar daddy, there's one sugar mama. >> But do men sex? >> Like, >> sure.

Angelica (DC)>> Yeah, obviously. >> Well, that's manipulative and deceptive. The same way makeup is manipulative and deceptive. It's like you're basically lying to the girl to get her into bed. She's lying to you to get you into a relationship or to get you into a date. >> Yeah. Men should not misrepresent their

Angelica (DC)intentions to get laid. Once again, it's obviously wrong. I feel like women a woman using a man for money is just as bad as a man using a woman for sex. >> Yeah, I agree entirely with that point. Yes, I agree with you. >> Absolutely. >> A woman using a man for money is just as

Riley Nimibad as a man using a woman for sex. >> I I think that's ridiculous. I think it's worse for a man to use a woman for sex. >> Why is it ridiculous? >> Well, because woman should actually care about a man's status and how much he can provide. If a What do you mean like if a

Angelica (DC)woman is using a man? If her only intention with that man is to exploit him is wrong. >> Same way that if a man's only intention is to exploit her, it's wrong. Exploitation, >> you probably need to specify that.

Anna>> There's always a joke. There's a joke going around that says no one falls in love harder than a broke dude. It's true. >> And I'm saying that because I'm not a millionaire, but I've had a very

Annasuccessful career. And I usually make more money than the men that I date. And you know, they liked the fact that I worked for corporate America and that I traveled the world. And I'm going to men like men like that you travel the world.

Angelica (DC)>> I'm going to counter argue on this. I'm like, women women are women are 100% responsible for the dating choices that they make. That's statistically true. But why is it that so many good men are considered boring, but when it comes to broke men, as

Angelica (DC)you've been mentioning, that are exploitative, they get girls. So it's like >> cuz they're manipulative. >> Well, it's not just manipulative. you're not looking for the right value system. Women are not oriented or educated correctly. If you're looking for a man, as you've mentioned, that has

Angelica (DC)resources, is going to be a good father, is going to be a good husband, has the good character traits and quality. Why is it so common for women to complain about men that have taken advantage of them, exploited them, that have basically used them for X, Y, and Z? They were looking at things

Angelica (DC)superficially. They weren't looking at the things that actually matter. >> Look at it at that way so they could see. >> But if they if they were looking for that, they wouldn't have been deceived. Wait, sometimes they were if they were carried away with their emotions, that's easier for them to basically be

Angelica (DC)blindsided by all these negative thoughts. A man will give guy for money type thing. >> Wait, what happened? >> Saying that you're more down to earth, so you didn't pick him for money. You didn't pick him for his looks. It's that kind of thing >> kind of. Yeah. But that's kind of like

Angelica (DC)uh the cope that women use post doing an experience like that. What I'm saying is they're not looking for the qualities that are going to make a good husband, a good family, family, good, whatever. They're basically looking for a man that provokes an emotional reaction out of

Angelica (DC)them, whether it's excitement or anxiety, much like men are looking for women that provokes lust out of them. It's the same animalistic impulse that is destroying both people's lives. >> I would say though, I feel like sometimes, not even just sometimes, a lot of the times it is the case that a

Angelica (DC)man will do everything right, show all these green flags, and then blindside a woman and just use her anyway or be in a committed relationship and then you're saying it's like I still think you can you can tell when a man is doing it out of just wanting to.

Brian Atlas>> Not always. Wait a second. So anyways, it's so common. >> Yeah. So anyways, moving on. Uh Nathan, let's pull up the react that we have. This this is something I saw go viral.

Brian AtlasUh Alan Roach, thanks for the super chat, man. Appreciate it. Uh uh hide the hide that. Okay, so you know what? Tab over to the image so it's bigger.

Brian AtlasAll right. Uh okay, scroll down a bit. So Shona, can I have you uh can you mouse wheel zoom it in? That's good. Yeah. Can I have you read >> everything? Just Okay.

Angelica (DC)>> Starting with the title. >> Woman who slept with twins days apart told baby's dad can't be identified. The woman reportedly had sex with the two brothers within 4 days of each other. A court has ruled that it cannot be

Angelica (DC)determined who the biological father of a woman's child is after she slept with identical twin brothers in short succession of one another. The mother and one of the twin brothers took the case to court after the other brother was named on the baby's birth certificate.

Brian Atlas>> Well, we we'll leave it there. So, basically what happened is uh a woman was I guess dating a identical twin

Brian Atlasand then she h she was having sex with both of them unbeknownst to them. >> Is this real? Is this a real or honestly read? >> How is this even possible? >> This is way more This is way more not

Brian Atlasthis specific case kind of more common than I would not like in the history of identical twins. >> They must have been dating both of them.

Brian Atlas>> The partner has definitely [ __ ] both the twins, but so she gets pregnant. She gets pregnant and uh I guess there's going to be like, okay, well, how do you determine like who is the father? Because the DNA is

Brian Atlasthe same, right? So they can't actually make a DNA determination as to who's the father. She slept with the both of them in like the same time period. >> So it's like remember >> what is the solution? Maybe legal

Brian Atlasexperts watching in the chat. What is the actual legal solution? Do they I I think you cannot if you cannot make an accurate determination as to which one

Griseldais the father. Like let's say if she wanted to get child support, I think you have to let both of them off the hook for child support. >> Wait, can we back up? >> I think one of them one of the brothers wanted to actually take care of the kid.

GriseldaThat's what I read. >> Oh, is it cuz they were twins? Like identical. >> And I think one of them actually was going to be responsible even though he doesn't know if he's actually the father, but one of them was like, "All right, I'll take the blame."

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. We could reframe the example in any sort of way, you know, which let's say um one of them wants the custody. Uh but but let's say how about neither of them wants the kid, right? So they're

Brian Atlasnot going to like willingly pay child support. Uh can the court force like to which one do they force to pay the child support? Uh assuming neither of them

Angelica (DC)want to pay child support. I would >> did did both of these twins know that they were having sexual relations with her >> or is she like >> she was cheating. >> Okay, then I think that's on her. She should have

Griselda>> Well, I read a lot about it. I read a lot about it. Supposedly, she was dating one and then kind of like, you know, this person, she broke up with one of the brothers and then a couple of days after kind of like she getting back to

Brian Atlasthis person, she just left with the brother. >> Yeah. Basically, that's what happened. >> I do think maybe that's a mental disorder if they're identical. Wait, let's stick on topic here. Let's stick stick on topic. The question is

Brian Atlas>> the question is uh in an instance where neither brother wants to have any sort of uh involvement with the child, should one, both of them or neither of them pay child support? >> Either both.

Riley Nimi>> You had something on this. >> Yeah, I think the best answer here um would be one of them. And the way to reach this would to be look at her last period, try to time the ovulation and figure out who is most likely. like come up with some number where it' be like

Riley Nimiokay you're 80% you're 80% likely the father you're 20% likely the father the 80% would be responsible so just look at her last period look at what's what do you mean that's not possible because bodies don't work that way stays in your body like you can't predict that I'm

Riley Nimiquite certain I'm quite certain if one man had sex 4 days before she ovulated and another man had sex the day she ovulated it's more likely >> conception dates are also v variable women's body >> I'm saying you look at what's more likely I'm not saying it's 100% I'm

Angelica (DC)saying something's more likely when it comes to child support it shouldn't be allowed unless the man was negligent, abusive, or some form of provable like malfeence. Otherwise, it's 50/50 custody if he wants it. And if not, it's 100%

Angelica (DC)custody to basically discourage women from doing situations like this where it's like you're not going to get child support from a man that you unethically behaved with. >> Well, actually, I I think she should get child support from neither of them. She just needs to marry one of them. I think that would be the best solution.

Ally>> Marry a woman that had sex with your brother. >> I think she's a lot of you don't want to marry her. They don't have to pay child support. I guess you'd be cucking at that point, but like maxing to the max. You're cucking. That's her loss right

Riley Nimithere. >> This the second brother in the situation though. She should marry the second brother. The last man. Actually, any woman should marry the last man that she want. Why are you incentivizing a woman who's made a poor choice to then get financial compensation for it? If it's

Riley Nimiyour body, your choice as it is in the system. I think the best option here is the best option here is for the woman to marry the man she last last had sex with. And that applies to every woman. >> That would be a punishment to that man though cuz what if he doesn't want to be with her anymore?

Angelica (DC)>> Well, then he shouldn't be hooking up with woman. He shouldn't be doing that. >> He didn't he didn't know it was an infidelity case. And as for the other guy, I mean, perhaps. Yeah. >> No, no, it doesn't matter. No. If a man has sex with a woman, he should marry her. >> I think the brother who betrayed his

Riley Nimibrother should marry that woman and then support the child regardless. >> I think he agrees with that. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The second one. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. But but not because of that, but because she Okay. But because him and her essentially have a soul bond because

Riley Nimithey slept together, especially on her end, women are very emotionally attached to the man that they have sex with due to reasons of like, I don't know, 9 months of pregnancy. >> Not always, unfortunately. >> Okay. But like on average, okay, we're talking about averages here. I don't think, oh, but what about this? >> I don't care. You're good. You're good.

Angelica (DC)Um, >> she should marry the man who actually, oh, to put it simple, the man should marry the woman who was the second man because >> I would actually argue when it comes to sex, it is soul bonding, but only in the context of someone that's building a

Angelica (DC)family. That's why when infidelity, the reason it's so destructive is because it destroys lives rather than creates it. I think it's conceiving something in infidelity. It's almost like this is a perversion of the ordered situation. >> I mean, if if a woman is having casual

Riley Nimisex, it's still somewhat soulbinding. I understand that which is why it destroys them. >> But I also argue exchanging energy and it could be bad. But I also argue >> you're not exchanging energy. It's not some mystical crystal [ __ ] Okay. It's like the woman subconsciously is

Annawanting to be with the man because she wants to It's a spiritual thing. There are there are demons and people that you could exchange

Riley Nimienergies. It literally said energies. >> Well, energy, whatever you want to call it, what is what it comes down to come if not energy. >> What what it comes down to is a woman

Riley Nimiwants to be with a man that she just had sex with because she might be pregnant from him and she needs that man to provide for him. True. >> True. But at the same time, when you're about that is biologically why that is why it is embedded in a woman's brain to be sexually or sorry to be emotionally

Riley Nimiattracted to a man that she has sex with. While a man it doesn't matter because for him to reproduce it takes 5, 10, 15 minutes, whatever. For a woman, it takes nine months and most likely at least 15 years after that for them to successfully reproduce. They have to take care of that kid. >> You know what? I retract my point. I

Angelica (DC)entirely agree with you. If you have a child out of wedlock, both of you are responsible for that. I I completely overthought it. You're right. In fact, that's what shotgun weddings used to be. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I don't collect child support

Annafrom either of my baby daddies, and it's because they're both involved and they pay like for our kids. >> But this is an example of they don't want to be involved. So if they don't want to be involved, I would say they should legally be >> legally play. Yes, they should legally

Annabe. But I don't like for example in Arkansas, like just I'm just giving an example for my state. They like I feel like they get into people's business too much and they force like when when couples that are breaking up don't want the child support or they want to like

Annaor they would just want to figure it out themselves. They literally force and it's like 50-50 custody. They force people Yeah. They force people to pay child support. Actually, in my instance with my youngest, I was going to be the

Annaone I I paid all the child I paid all the child care. I pay everything and I was still going to have to owe him $1,500 a month. >> And I had him I have him 60% of the time. But we're cool.

Anna>> Yeah, we're cool. And we just worked it out and we just worked it out, you know, and I have more custody, >> but we're cool and we worked it out. My ex-husband is, I think, a millionaire.

AnnaUm, and I could rake him through the coals, but he's an active father. He pays for things. >> It's good. >> And >> is he an active husband? >> Was he an active? No, we were really young and he was really stupid. >> Is he right now though? >> To his wife?

Anna>> No. To you? >> We're not We're not married. He got married. He got remarried. Huh? Why not? >> We were really young. He was young. We were stupid. 22 years old. >> But why would he not stay married? >> Because he cheated on me. Because he cheated on me. >> You think that created a large effect for your children, though?

Anna>> But if you're cheating on someone I don't want I don't want diseases. That is fair. I found condoms when I was pregnant. Like, I don't want diseases for me or my baby. That's not, you know, >> I'm sorry that happened to you. >> That's terrible. >> Yeah. And it happened a lot. And I I

Annajust said to myself, I don't want my children to watch this. You know, he was hopping out the window. I'm taking care of a newborn to go. >> Please. What happened? >> What heard? >> Yeah. I just heard >> I said I don't want to get He said, why did you break up with your >> diseases and then So, why did you divorce your husband? It's a lot bigger

Annathan a >> He asked me why I brought cuz I said I kept getting cheated on and I don't want diseases. >> Oh, I see. So that was the concern of him cheating was the diseases. >> Valid. >> That's probably not a big concern for you. >> You want AIDS?

Riley Nimi>> No, but that was the concern. >> Oh, why am I the fact that he's like sexually? >> Yeah, I know. That's That's what's important. Yeah. >> He also abused me. He was on steroids. Like, do you want to go? I don't really

Riley Nimiwant him to get mad at me, but >> he probably had a pornography addiction if he was cheating on you. He did. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Okay, perfect. You should be pornography should be dead hook here. pull up that slower and I did let him off the hook. He doesn't pay child

Angelica (DC)support. >> Um Shauna, could you read this? >> I disagree. With great power to uni unilaterally decide if a child is even born or not comes great responsibility to unilaterally take care of the child. Sure, he can help if he wants to, but

Angelica (DC)that doesn't make it his responsibility nor the government's responsibility. >> This is a black guy saying that. >> That's what I was going to say. I'm not even going to say it. I'm like obviously well for you guys for Riley. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I won't report >> ammunition for me. If she if she [ __ ] identical twins, I think they get You got to let Well, what about Wait, wait, wait. What about this?

Brian Atlas>> And I'm sure this has been posed in like legal classes, philosophy classes. Uh, two There's two identical twins. One of them commits a murder and they find DNA at the crime scene. >> Oh my gosh.

Brian Atlas>> Gosh, that's hard. So they know it's one of them, but >> and assume like there's uh >> Aren't fingerprints different though in twins? >> Fingerprints are different. Yeah, >> but it's DNA.

Angelica (DC)>> Let's say Yeah, >> it's not. Let's say they found some that happened with the OJ Simpson case where it was the father and the son and that's why they couldn't verify the DNA where it was most likely the son that killed Nicole Brown, but they then blamed the father and that's why the glove didn't

Angelica (DC)fit was because it was his son who did it. He had like a whole history of mental illness. We're We're not This would go on for 48 hours. >> I Okay. OJ Simpson. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I was born the day he was acquitted. Just saying.

Brian Atlas>> Nice. Congratulations. Uh uh thank you, Mr. North Umberland for the super chat. $10 display, $100 read, $200 TTS. If you

Brian Atlastwo would like to get a a message in there. Um but uh yeah I think if there's well yeah in the case of the murder if all you have is the DNA and you don't

Brian Atlashave any further evidence and assume that uh because both of them are in peril because of this incriminating evidence. It it would incriminate both of them even though only one of them did

Brian Atlasit. Uh because both of them are in peril and assume they you know one of them didn't cooperate or whatever. um uh because it is your right in the United States to you you have no duty to

Brian Atlaslike self-inccriminate. You can plead the fifth. You don't have to cooperate. So they're just like, "Okay, we're not going to uh whatever. We're not going to give you anything." So they just have the DNA. I think in that instance, I

Brian Atlasthink legally, right, they >> go [ __ ] go. >> They might still do a trial perhaps. I don't know if they put both of them on trial, but I I think you would probably arrive at having to acquit both of them. >> Pace pass.

Angelica (DC)>> I don't know. Anyways, >> well, innocent until proven guilty. If you want to go back circumstantial evidence that positions one twin at one location and the other twin cell, >> but if the only evidence was DNA, if there's a rape, all that's left is come. Like,

Brian Atlas>> that's all you got. >> I mean, the trial would find out like motive and stuff like let's say two brothers are bar hopping, two twins. Let's just say murder. Let's just use murder. I don't want to. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Murder. >> The murder one.

Frankie>> Just murder. >> DNA. Just the murder. >> Oh, so we're talking at the end of the case. Are we deciding if it's acquitted? If they found nothing else throughout the trial, >> they would be acquitted. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> It's just that Well, I think that if if you only found DNA, but it wasn't a twin, that would be enough of a basis, I

Brian Atlasthink, to Well, I don't know. I'm not a [ __ ] criminal legal expert or whatever. So, I don't criminal law. I don't I don't know. Probably even if you do find someone's DNA, you probably need

Brian Atlassome other degree of evidence >> to get a guilty verdict. I don't know. Anyways, it's kind of a >> depends on the state. >> It's all right. Anyways, moving on. Moving on. Moving on. Um, >> uh, okay. Here we're going to get to the

Brian Atlasquestionnaire. What is the min minimum yearly income to be your future husband? >> Six figures. Assuming I'm also making that much. >> Yeah, but that's vague. That's anywhere from 100,000 to 999,000. >> That's the minimum I said.

Brian Atlas>> So 100,000 would be the minimum. Okay. >> It doesn't really matter. >> Okay. Hide the super chat, please. Thank you for your super chat. It doesn't matter. So you'll date a guy who works at McDonald's. Do you have a kid?

Griselda>> I have two girls. But I mean, >> you're married, right? >> I'm married and I'm a business owner. So I mean I really don't care how much the guy is. >> What about you? >> Uh 100,000 just because that's what my husband makes.

Angelica (DC)>> Okay. What about you? >> Thanks. I mean, I wrote 35,000, but that's actually a lie because my current partner makes less. So, I guess >> Okay. >> the minimum would be less. >> Uh, I'm married, but 50k.

Emily Mack>> Yeah. Next. >> I put down 80,000, but I kind of want to switch it to 60 cuz it just seems more realistic. >> Mhm. >> I didn't put down a number because I was thinking of it depends on where we're living at and how much would be like the

Frankiebasics to be able to take care of a family. So, where we live at right now, I'd say like 60,000. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I actually agree with that. I didn't put down a number either.

Brian Atlas>> You don't have one? Uh, also Hannah, uh, not I I wouldn't say who, but I noticed on your Instagram story, you're taking photos with a man. Is that just like a friend or >> That was my little brother.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, that's your brother. I was like, is that a You're on a little vacation with a >> Okay. Um, you don't have one, so you'll date a guy who works at McDonald's then? Uh, no. Okay. So,

Hannah>> I've dated a police officer and I've dated somebody who owns a mult like very successful company. So, I don't have a minimum. >> But I mean, police officers can make good money. >> They can make I mean, and

Hannah>> they can make enough to survive, right? >> They average like 65K. >> It's not that like I don't see that as a lot of money, but I don't have a minimum. >> Okay. Uh, what about you? >> Uh, I think I put 60K.

Anna>> Okay. Next. >> I put 60K. And as long as they're not uh relying on me for anything dating, obviously if we're married and things happen, but dating, as long as they're not relying on me financially, then >> sure. Yeah. >> Angelica,

Brian Atlas>> I put down 45K. My presence online is pretty solid, so I just need a man who's going to demonstrate good characteristics to >> Angelica, can I just tilt your mic down a little bit? Uh and then, uh Riley, do you care about the woman's income?

Anna>> It would have to be less than 80,000. I don't want some boss [ __ ] So, >> wow. >> Can you can you delve into that? cuz I actually really I've always wondered about the men who get like genuinely who get >> so I'll give you an example like my girlfriend she currently works at

Riley NimiIn-N-Out and um she has a degree in geography. She can get a job making a lot more money but she she told me I don't want to I don't want to work up some corporate career ladder and get distracted by it. I'm just going to work at In-N-Out until I get married. >> That was a maximum though. Do you have a

Annaminimum? >> No. No. I want the I want it to be zero. >> Zero. Great. >> You want to provide it. You are you're a provider. She bring you like burgers and >> No, they're corporation. They can't.

Riley NimiThey don't give out. >> But also a degree in geography for you. >> She could. Never happens though. >> Riley, I have a question. Why you wouldn't date a woman that makes more money than you though? >> Because she's probably a feminist.

Riley Nimi>> I I'm not feminist. No. >> If a woman is making 100 grand a year, >> assume that though. >> Because if you're making 100 grand a year, that means they focused on their education. They probably went to college. They probably got [ __ ] 30 times. So you don't want

Riley Nimi>> Why does that equal that? >> I think she's educated, hardworking, ambitious, has aspirations and goals. >> I don't want a woman. I want a woman who has goals of having, hey, I want to have seven to 10 kids. I'd be like, great, I want you to be my wife. I don't want a

Hannahwoman who has the goals like I want to make a bunch of money. >> That was my goals growing up. I grew up very Mormon. That was the literally ingrained in our brains. Like I married at 20. I'm one of 12 kids. I got married at 20. I had a kid at 22 and 24. And I

Hannahfelt like in a lot of ways I screwed myself over because when I dealt with >> Well, he's a drug addict. It's kind of a big one. >> When you're young, you see what I'm saying? I didn't know that. >> Yeah. >> Like, so I'm saying I put myself on the back burner. I don't have aspirations of

Hannahbecoming a boss [ __ ] As you say, I want to be a mom. I want to be a wife. But I'm saying I do feel like there's a level of like I should have probably prepared myself a little bit better so I'm not in this position. >> No, that's feminist. >> No, no. That's what I'm saying is that

Angelica (DC)when being raised Mormon is a different thing. Like when you have a nerf ball as you did have tragically be thrown at you, it throws you off your path. But I agree with Riley because I have always made more money than the people that I've been dating, it's just natural. But

Angelica (DC)at the same time, I can recognize the power imbalance in any other woman as has already been mentioned. If they put you on a pedestal, you're no longer attracted to them. And that's been said over and over again. So if you're making more money than them, you automatically

Angelica (DC)have more power than them. And that emasculates them and you're no longer attracted. Women shouldn't even have this type of backup cuz you're saying like, "Oh, I want to have some type of backup." Like, here's what most women do. Most women >> I'm not saying that backup. If the man is showing signs of abuse and you're

Angelica (DC)already locked in, >> the woman's backup should be her parents. But also, a lot of women are saying women should have secret bank. >> You're coming from a mans to show those signs, start planning pee. Basically, if

Angelica (DC)a man starts to show infidelity or abuse or whatever, start to plan otherwise. Try to get out basically. Exactly. But if a man but you shouldn't go into the relationship with the mindset of oh he's going to do this to me so I have to put this

Barbara Adamsoninvalidates the relation getting this money to leave. >> But let's say something happens to you where you're ill and you can't work then what happens then? She has experience. Okay. >> Well here's the problem though. Too many women go into marriage with this framing of he's going to cheat on you, he's

Barbara Adamsongoing to beat you, he's going to blah blah blah and they want the backup or whatever. >> It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. So I think if you are going into a marriage thinking I need a backup just in case all this happens cuz you always like

Barbara Adamsonhear these stories but they're really the oppos where you're coming from because you feel like you came out the birth rate in America everything >> do you know what the birth rate in America is per for each woman how many

Riley Nimikids that they have it's 1.6 Right? So, the average woman has less kids than what is for the replacement levels. Okay? So, almost every single woman that I've met that's working a big career or in college right now, they're just doing it as a backup and then they'll get

Riley Nimimarried later. So, this is what happens. Girls 18 years old. She's like, "Oh, I'm going to take a gap year before I go to college. I'm going to go to Europe and [ __ ] a bunch of guys." Then they come back. They go to college for 6 years or whatever. Then guess what? They're 25 when they get out of college, but oh, they have a bunch of student loan debt. So, then they wait five or six or seven

Riley Nimiyears to pay it off cuz it's like, "Well, I want to pay off my student loan debt before I get married." And before you know it, they're 32 years old. Then they find a guy. They date him for about 2 years. Then they're like what, 34 years old. And then they uh get engaged for a year. Then she's 35. She has her very first kid at 35 years old. Then

Barbara Adamsonwhen she tries to have a second kid at 38 years old, she's like, "Oh, wait. I'm infertile." >> By the time a woman hits 307. By the time a woman can say something real quick. By the

Barbara Adamsontime a woman hits 30, if she is unmarried and doesn't have kids, she has a 50/50 chance of ever like actually getting married and then having kids. The average woman in America has a kid after the age of 30 years old. >> Yeah. And that's part of the reason the

Riley Nimimaternal mortality rate has gone up is because women are having children >> and autism and disabilities and these later

Frankieguys only one person at a time. We can't nobody can understand >> the higher chance of autism doesn't occur until after 35. So I do agree with that point slightly. But if you have

Angelica (DC)kids, excuse me, after 32, the chances for miscarriages and pregnancy complications start to rise and that's traumat. That's 100% true. 100%. >> Let me let me speak on because I actually had a baby at 22 and then I had a baby at 25 and then I had a baby at

Anna37. >> We are not made to have babies that late in life. I had two little ones in my 20s. I felt fine, energetic. I have one little one now and I'm dead beat

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