HEATED DEBATE! She Got Her Ex DEPORTED?! Excommunicated Mormon/LDS?! Woke E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk 289

Date: 2026-04-06

Duration: 11h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBarbara Adamson >

AAngelica (DC)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Joy(guest)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Emily Mack(guest)

SPEAKER_03Frankie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Angelica (DC)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Ally(guest)

SPEAKER_06Abby(guest)

SPEAKER_09Riley Nimi(guest)

SPEAKER_10Griselda(guest)

SPEAKER_11Barbara Adamson(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lii(guest)

SPEAKER_14Hannah(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 13 guests introduce themselves - largest panel ever

Key MomentGriselda reveals she crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor

ControversyRiley proposes shooting anyone who crosses the border

Key MomentAngelica reveals she lied about being engaged - actually married

Key MomentAlly reveals boyfriend strangled her on shrooms, she stayed with him

Key MomentHannah excommunicated from LDS church in high school

Key MomentAnna unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer

OtherLongest Whatever stream ever - approaching 11 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

13 guests including Riley Nimi (conservative), Griselda (Mexican immigrant), Hannah, Anna (Marine vet), and many more. Longest Whatever stream ever (~11 hours).

Griselda Immigration Story

Crossed the Rio Grande illegally as a minor brought by father. Now has green card through marriage.

Riley Proposes Shooting Border Crossers

Controversial immigration solution sparks strong panel reaction.

Angelica Reveals She Is Actually Married

Lied about being engaged; actually married ~2 years with more money than husband.

Ally Boyfriend Strangled Her on Shrooms

Boyfriend had drug-induced psychosis, strangled her one month into relationship. She stayed.

Hannah LDS Excommunication

Excommunicated from Mormon church in high school for intimacy with boyfriend.

Anna Craigslist Killer Date

Unknowingly dated a Craigslist killer in San Diego.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Panel struggles with basic geography and history. Someone says Hitler ruled Poland.

Show Wrap - Longest Stream Ever

Show wraps after approaching 11 hours.

Transcript

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Angelica (DC)you have to expect a masculine energy. Do I have a masculine energy right now? Of course. It's not feminine. But at the end of the day, if women have the right to vote, if women are politicized, this is what you should expect. And if you can't handle it, get out of the kitchen.

Angelica (DC)>> Okay, I'm not in the kitchen. >> You can keep yelling at me. >> Make a sandwich. >> To be fair, you were asking her questions and then as soon as she got half a sentence out, you would talk over her. You have to also give space for

Angelica (DC)people to give their full arg. That's what I was trying. And by the way, like three of them at once. Just >> do you can you list me an example of when I interrupted her? Cuz I do recall giving her time. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not going to give examples.

Brian AtlasStop. Let's not get into a meta conversation about uh who interrupted who when. Uh just make the correction. Joshua, to be anti-gun is to be anti-woman. Thank you for the big super chat, Joshua.

Riley Nimi>> Very much. Appreciate it. Well, I mean like some women can't defend themselves, you know, like how would you defend yourself? Are >> you asking me if I hate women? >> Yeah. Well, like like what if a woman's walking alone home at night and a man comes up to them, tries to rape them? They don't have a firearm. They cannot

Angelica (DC)defend themselves against the man. That's what that statement means. >> What do they do in that situation? >> What should the woman do? >> Yeah. What should the woman do? >> I mean, ideally not be walking out at night, but then call the police like try and get away from this individual as far as possible. Like, >> okay, you're are you sled shaming? They

Riley Nimishouldn't be walking around at night. >> That's not sled shaming. Why else would a woman >> I would put the blame in this scenario on the man who's trying to like >> Well, no, of course. Yeah, that the man is fully at fault, but it still is a reality that if you're if a woman's walking alone home at night at like

Angelica (DC)midnight, >> how is that shaming her? Like I'm saying it's not safe to do that because there exists dangerous thing. Well, it might not be safe. >> What if What if they're working? What if what if they didn't come from a rich family like you did and they working

Riley Nimilike 8 hour shift at her Mexican restaurant, right? Um I'm vegan. >> Really? Really? Okay. I'm vegan. Okay. So, what if there's some like nine out of 10 like Latina working at a restaurant, very pretty, very prone to rape, walking home at night because she

Riley Nimican't afford a car to like you have a car, right? From a rich family. Even not all places have public transport in public transport. >> Yes. Exactly. So, how would a woman defend herself if she's on public transport where there's all these like brown and black?

Angelica (DC)Public transport. No, it's not. Not Not now because most people on public transport are poor, which means they have a higher chance of committing crime. So, you think a woman on like a bus going home is more likely to get stabbed or like >> Have you been on a bus then walking home? Have you been on a bus?

Angelica (DC)>> Oh, no, no, no. Walking home at night. Uh, probably. No, because you're not taking it. But yes, they get violated the most. There's no there's no control. >> The Ukrainian girl got killed by >> literally there's no one patrolling it anymore because they just gave up. >> I use public transport every day, by the

Angelica (DC)way, because I know you said I never take in which city? Which city? >> Well, here. But I'm still saying I take public. I thought you just said your area. You just have to be spatially aware. >> I thought you said your area was if you're spatially aware.

Riley Nimi>> But why would you why wouldn't you walk at night if you're >> I take the bus here cuz it's faster to get to school. Like what about the What about the 22-year-old 9 out of 10 Latina working at a restaurant maybe that maybe her vegan restaurant walking home at night have has to walk a mile after

Riley Nimitheir 8 hour shift from 4:00 to midnight. They're walking home at night. How do they defend themselves? Or they take public transport. There's all these illegal immigrants on there. >> Yeah. Obviously, that's not that's not an ideal scenario, but I could hope she like she carry pepper spray, call the police, like

Anna>> pepper spray. >> The people saying it's really rare to get involved with gun. >> Wait, wait, wait. What' you say? If she wants a gun, I said you're in the Marines. She wants to own a gun. She can do that.

Frankie>> Before I join the Marines, my town, I'm from Flint, Michigan. >> I changed her mind. That's wonderful. >> I'm I'm like not against the Second Amendment. Just so you admit that your personal experience of where you live at is what makes you feel a second. >> Well, not only that, globally speaking,

Angelica (DC)the world is very violent towards women. The western nations are the only place where women have any similitude or illusion of safety, but we're losing that quickly because we're importing the entire world here. But they don't have feminist values. They look at women and they're like, "Oh, they're weak. We're

Angelica (DC)going to go attack them and take what is ours." So, it's like, yes, globally speaking, the safety pockets for women are limited >> and having a gun equalizes it more. It gives us a chance. Even if it's not

Riley Nimiperfect, it gives us a chance. >> I never said a woman couldn't own a gun. >> We're not talking about that. You're saying how Oh, well, what about the same? >> What are you asking me then? >> Oh, no. There was like a piggyback conversation. You're not the >> This entire podcast, you have been so wishy-washy. Can you please state your

Angelica (DC)values on gun control, on immigration? You've been so wishy-washy. Yeah. >> I'm not against the Second Amendment. you want to own a gun in the US, go ahead and do that. I do, however, I don't have an exact solution, hope something can be done about the amount of gun violence and like school

Angelica (DC)shootings in America. That's my proposed regulation for gun owners. >> But why don't you talk about neighborhood >> if it could help then? Yeah, >> but why is there if it would if I need >> You guys got to only ask her one question at a time. You can't bombard

Angelica (DC)her with three questions in a row. Uh, one question at a time. If you told me right now that implementing gun regulation would lower the collective rate of gun violence in the US, then I would say yes, I'm for that. >> So if you lower the gun violence in the United States, you would be for that

Angelica (DC)policy. >> If it and if that result was completely clear because like people say like, oh, this regulation still might lead to this amount of gun violence and it might not work, I'm not for that. But if I know that you would be maximizing the amount of safety in this country and there would be less gun violence, I would be

Angelica (DC)for that. >> So you would deport black people back to Africa. Let me get this straight. That's very racist of you. We're talking about gun regulation now% talking about gun violence. Actually, >> gun violence murder rates are committed by 60% of African-Americans. You remove

Angelica (DC)them from the equation, you get equal safety levels as Europe before. >> You want to be more specific on that? It's actually like 55% of gun violence. >> So, there's many like there's many reasons that that's the case that go back in 15% more people in the United States

Angelica (DC)than black people. >> You don't understand. You're arguing against your case. In this case, I'm not arguing against 57% of the country is white. 15% of the gun violence rate is white. 60% of gun violence is committed

Angelica (DC)by black people. 13% of the country is black. You're arguing against your own. >> Why do you think that is though? Why do you think black people commit more crimes? >> For Brian sake, I'm not going to go into >> You should say You should say your opinions. >> For the same reason Africa is also

Riley Nimiequally as violent. >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait, black people weren't enslaved in Africa to the rate that they were in America. Why does Africa have higher crime rates than blacks in America? >> Because of colonialism. >> Colonialism. Okay. What about you? Wait. Wait. What about Ethiopia who defeated Italy? Why does why do people migrate?

Brian Atlas>> They were never colonized. >> They were they were probably still like subject to like effects of colonialism. I don't know the history of Ethiopia. I can't talk about you have to move things on a little bit here, but uh Sha is anybody here in favor of reparations?

Brian Atlas>> Hell no. >> Reparations for to African-Americans? >> I don't I don't think reparations is the correct solution. No. >> No. Okay. Cuz we do have two African-Americans here. If anybody wants

Brian Atlasto give them cash, >> I think money should be I'll take the cash. >> If anybody wants to give them cash if I mean rather than cash on you, do you want to maybe >> if you put money into like >> Look, see she's ready. She's ready for

Brian Atlasit. >> Girl, I got a dollar in my putting money into low income. >> Uh let's do this here. Why don't we do um you know what we'll I some of these

Brian Atlastopics have gone a bit political but you know we can bring it a little dating a it's still probably going to get political on this but >> oh my gosh the dating I thought we were talking about dating >> I didn't even know my my story made a headline here so here we go

Brian Atlas>> yeah so um >> who deported the who hold stop uh okay so do you think dating right uh well let me ask Riley a question Riley would you

Brian Atlasdate a uh a trans woman No, >> no, no. Do you uh question, is it do you think it's straight for a man to date a

Brian Atlastrans woman? >> I mean, technically, yeah, >> technically, yes. Before we respond, >> but I understand why it's not everyone's preference. >> It's okay. Fair. Let's

Brian Atlas>> What was the question? >> I just asked it. Is it Is it straight heterosexual >> for a man say Riley here? Uh, not that he would. Uh, to date a transgender woman.

Abby>> No, that's gay. >> That's gay. Okay. >> Um, if they're fully transition, then no. But yes. >> So, you're saying if they're posttop, uh, they have the neo neo vagina, then

Brian Atlas>> that would be heterosexual. Is that what you're saying? >> Be straight. >> It would be straight. >> It's a literal inverted penis. >> But before we dive in, uh, your thoughts? >> No, it's not straight. >> It isight. It would be gay. Uh is your

Frankieposition. Yeah. >> Okay. What do you think? >> Gay. >> Gay. Okay. Thoughts? >> I think that if you're dating a trans person, I feel like, and you know that they're a trans person, it puts you on some type of spectrum. It

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, maybe bisexual, you might say. But would they be strictly straight? >> I don't think they'd be strictly straight. >> Okay. Your thoughts? >> Absolut freaking lutely not. >> Okay. What do you think? >> Gay. >> Gay. >> Gay. >> Gay. >> Homosexual. >> Gay.

Angelica (DC)>> I have a question for >> I wouldn't date a man who who dated a trans woman. >> You okay, you would view a a trans man as a woman, right? >> A trans man as a woman. >> That's misogyny. >> Yes.

Angelica (DC)>> Right. Okay. So then as a straight man, >> would it not then be like straight for you to kiss that trans man? >> It would be straight of me to do that. >> Okay. I was just curious about that. >> Yeah. Also, another thing, what was your definition? >> That's consistent under your world view.

Riley Nimi>> And so we when what was your answer to his question? Again, I just want you to restate it. >> She said it would be straight. You said that it would be straight, right? >> Could I ask you what what is being straight? >> Being attracted to the opposite gender,

Angelica (DC)being normal. >> Okay. Or what about the opposite sex? >> I said gender. >> Okay. You said gender. Okay. Okay. What is gender? >> Gender is like Well, I think I would have to like come up with a definition more in detail. >> You'd have to come up with a lot of [ __ ] to excuse that.

Anna>> When you say I think you automatically lose the argument. Not really. Yeah. >> Okay. You don't think about your opinions before you make it Let's make it real simple here. Can you tell me what is a woman?

Angelica (DC)I' I'd say it's like a it's a like a social it's a social identity mapped onto a bi biological reality that is so misogynist that same definition can't I

Angelica (DC)use that same definition for a man >> not really because the the social identity that I mentioned like has >> no what was the social identity that you mentioned because you never mentioned one >> that encompasses like what is considered like like feminine down like not just

Angelica (DC)feminine but like >> so is she feminine she has short hair >> no but there's probably like characteristic characteristics of being a woman that she could identify with. Okay. >> Just cuz you identify with characteristics because she has short hair, she's masculine.

Angelica (DC)>> Monroe has low IQ. >> I just had this conversation with my nephew. He's six and I had to explain to him that men can have long hair and women can have short hair. It doesn't make you the opposite. doesn't make you

Angelica (DC)feminine or masculine mis from I'm a cisgender woman but if I was secretly there's no sis please don't say

Riley Nimidon't don't demean us let's massage >> yeah so like I asked what is a woman you said somebody who essentially has feminine characteristics >> you're asking me about those characteristics but like >> what are they tell me some like what I was trying to what I was trying to >> jumping again okay >> well no you just said that there's no

Angelica (DC)characteristics and she's saying that to be a woman you have I was about to elaborate Wait, let's hear it. What are feminine characteristics? >> I was okay. Can I can I clarify? When I say like characteristics, it's about like your it's about your place in society, how you're perceived, the

Angelica (DC)treatment you receive. So, for example, regardless of my biology, like I in society, I act as and I am treated as a woman. And that like there's a a wide scope that goes like within that, but like I am treated as a woman. I am

Riley Nimiperceived as a woman. I exist in society. What are some of the characteristics? You haven't you haven't named a single feminine characteristic. You're just like, "Oh, the way you get treated by society and the way you're thought of." Like, what is a feminine characteristic? >> Well, there's like aesthetic

Angelica (DC)implications with >> No, no. Name it. Describe it. >> Well, it's it's not so black and white. Like, there's not key like >> Okay. Okay. You said like aesthetic and let her let her finish her answer. I mean, I wouldn't say there's like a certain like fixed like characteristic

Angelica (DC)that every woman has aside from sex, but like like as I said, like like identifying with like I like being treated as a woman in society like dating wise or like with like the way

Angelica (DC)you want to present yourself, there's like if if someone wants to identify with those social characteristics, then I believe that >> you have yet to name a single feminine characteristic or trait. Not a single one. In fact, the example was, "Oh, you're

Angelica (DC)masculine because you have short hair when he never said that." In fact, there was words being put into his mouth for that. So, for all of the argument of words being put in, >> it's actually generalizing, too. Like, there are super flamboyant gay men who do not identify as women. That does not make them women. They're just flamboyant

Anna>> and they're treated as women because a man is a woman is very misogynistic. If we go back to Brown versus Board of Education, >> the thing about being a man that they can probably still identify with. >> If Okay. Just cuz you identify with something doesn't make you that. I can

Annaidentify as a duck. Am I a duck? Well, when it comes to gender, which I think is something that was >> Why is it just gender? Can I Can I say, "Hey, I'm black. I'm a black woman." Can I >> If you're going to ask her a question, you do have your mind. >> If you're going to ask her a question, you got to let her actually answer the

Angelica (DC)question. >> I just think when it comes to gender, like I'm not going to sit here and try and invalidate like what someone chooses to identify with. >> Okay. So, you have no definition for woman at all? >> I I already gave it initially off the

Angelica (DC)bat, but we should go we should go. I like I started off with the definition, but what is a woman? >> I said it's like a social it's it's a social construct mapped onto a biological reality. >> Hey, knock it off. Please repeat yourself.

Griselda>> A social construct mapped onto a biological reality. >> A female adult with a vagina that can give birth. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. Uer. >> They have to have a uterus. >> Wait, what if a woman's infertile?

Griselda>> Why are you making that woman a man by saying that she's infertile? That's sexist against women. >> Cuz she has a medical problem. can I mean she can she can be feral but yeah I mean a woman is someone that has a vagina that has a clitoris that you know

Angelica (DC)that basically was born with that genitalia. What if a woman went through a shark attack and she didn't have like any notion that you're saying >> a hypothe hypothetical is a good way to test your definition. >> How many fingers does a human have? >> 10.

Angelica (DC)>> 10. Okay. If somebody lost one of their fingers, are they not a human anymore? >> No, they're still a human. They're still So why would she not be a female anymore just cuz she went through an accident? Well, I'm saying she would. I'm just checking with her because she said that a vagina was a requirement. >> It is.

Angelica (DC)>> It is. >> Congratulations. She came to the correct answer. >> In the same way that you said does not make me a man. That's 10 fingers. >> Well, I don't think that would be a man. I'm just saying like if suddenly the >> trans

Brian Atlasget the answers from the rest of the panelists. You said >> has a uterus. Okay. >> Generally a female adult. >> Female adult. Okay. >> Adult human female with XX chromosomes.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Someone with a vagina. >> Someone with a vagina. What? Just for clarification, >> someone born with one. Excuse me. >> Born with a vagina. Okay. >> Same. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I was going to say XX chromosomes. >> All right.

Riley Nimi>> Same. Same. Same. >> Well, you have the standard XX chromosomes in a vagina, but to be very legalistic about it, I would say ovaries is the major requirement you would need to >> Oh, but what if she's born without ovaries? No, I'm just kidding. That's

Riley Nimidumb. >> But that's kind of her points. What if she's interex? >> Um, you are never born with functioning ovaries and functioning testicles. That has never happened in human history ever.

Riley Nimi>> You have one reproductive pathway if you even if you have like XXXY chromosomes or you have XX chromosomes but like a crap ton of testosterone or something. You still will have either functioning ovaries or functioning testicles. There has never been a human who produces both.

Brian Atlas>> Really quick, we have a super chat from Rowey from our Australian friend. I define her as a Kent. Kent. Oh, cuz he's Australian. Is that to her character traits?

Brian Atlas>> I don't get it. Who is her? >> I kind of get it. I think he's Oh, wait. Hold on. Ah, too late. I [ __ ] >> elaborate. >> Uh, thank you for your super soup chat, man. Very much appreciate it. Um, well, Sean, I have a clarifying question here

Angelica (DC)and I I don't know if this is going to be helpful, but uh, so you said that >> I will say regarding my definition of a woman, like I would want more time to kind of like solidify my worldview on it, but as it stands, I don't like invalid invalidate the identity of

Angelica (DC)someone who wants to like identify as a a gender that they're not born as. >> Are you a woman? >> Yes. >> How do you know? >> Because like it it's a part of my identity like socially and then also like biologically, which I acknowledged in my definition earlier. And what do

Angelica (DC)you mean by biologically? >> Like my my sex like my body? >> Like >> like I I I was born a woman. Like it's my assigned sex at birth.

Riley Nimi>> No, but like like what part of your body though? Like what exactly makes you a woman? >> My chromosomes. >> Well, I'm I'm speak I'm speaking to the biological aspect that you're asking about. >> And >> well, I just don't want to like just like start using words like relating to

Angelica (DC)genitalia. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. But which chromosomes? XX or XY? XX. >> Thank you. >> But that's just speaking to the biological aspect. Like I still like socially and in terms of >> So if you can't define a social

Angelica (DC)definition, maybe we should just stick with the physical definition of it. >> I mean aesthetically I like work. Okay. I'm not saying this is like a requirement for every woman out there, but like I like growing up like I was

Angelica (DC)perceived as a woman and like that felt like a part of my identity that felt correct to me. I exist and I move through society as a woman. That feels correct to me. Like aesthetically I and also just interest-wise I really like

Angelica (DC)feminine things. Like that's just to speak to like my social reality as a as a woman. You invalidated the identity of undocumented immigrants who identify as American. You're >> talking about immigrants, but yet you're

Angelica (DC)trying to not invalidate the identity of men who violence against women than anyone. >> What What did I say regarding immigrants that you're >> You're not trying you you want to invalidate the identity of illegal immigrants who come here by saying they're not Americans even though they

Angelica (DC)identify as such. But you don't want to invalidate the identity of men who have perversions who commit statistically way more violence against women because that hurts. >> Well, if someone's illegal here and they've spent their whole life here, I don't think that like I I understand

Angelica (DC)like the the need for deportation there, but I think culturally in a lot of ways they still could be American. So, I didn't even completely invalidate that. >> Yeah. Hold on. Let me do a couple things, but we'll come back to this topic here in just a moment. >> I don't think whether or not you're

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Angelica (DC)so you you think it is straight for a man to date a trans woman. That would be heterosexual. >> I said yes, but I understand why like that attraction may not exist all the time because you can't help attraction.

Brian AtlasEven if even if I like respect someone's identity, for example, I cannot help if I'm not attracted to a >> Well, yeah. I mean, you would see this even in opposite sex instances. For

Brian Atlasexample, not all uh males find all females attractive even if they're genuinely uh female or genuinely a woman. >> Like not you you don't find all men attractive, do you? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Right. So, it's I'm not really interested in the preference component. Um >> I'm just clarifying that. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. But um you do think it would be straight like as a

Brian Atlasdescriptor as a uh you're in terms of what you believe is to be true, you would say that a man dating a trans woman that is definitionally heterosexual.

Angelica (DC)Period. >> Yeah. Although I will say there's like a lot of cognitive dissonance when it comes to like let's say someone who's transitioned but they've not made like >> that's only like something that they've declared and they've not made any like

Angelica (DC)um like physical transitions yet. So let's say you picture like a man and then like you have a you have someone who was a man who just decided they wanted to identify as a woman. Suddenly aesthetically you have like what maybe

Brian Atlassomeone would think is two men standing next to each other. Like obviously I'm I'm trying to say >> well let's say let's say they're passing uh outwardly but they haven't had uh any sort of genitalia surgery. >> Let's say that's straight.

Brian Atlas>> That would be straight. So just to be clear, let me let me paint a picture and you tell me if this sounds like a heterosexual act. Uh let's say you're outside an apartment and uh a man walks

Brian Atlasby and this is going to seem super autistic, but he says, "I I am a sis. I hate this [ __ ] term, but I'm a sis man and I'm straight. And he walks into

Brian Atlasthe apartment and then uh you see a trans woman go in and they disclose to you that they're trans. By the way, I don't know why they would ever do this, but for the sake of the hypothetical, they tell you they're trans. Huh?

Brian Atlas>> Am I physically present here? You You said they're >> You're like I don't know. It's at your dorm and you see them going into the dorm room or some [ __ ] >> A trans woman going to the dorm room. >> Yeah. With a >> not your dorm room. Another dorm room. >> Okay. Okay. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, and maybe it's like across the way so you can see into the window and you see that the sis man, the man is performing oral sex on the trans woman's

Brian Atlaspenis. Would you describe this as a straight heterosexual act? >> The sexual act or like their sexual orientation? >> Hold on. So, >> I would still I would still call that

Brian Atlas>> if a man Okay. If a man, a true man, and a true woman are having sex, you would agree that that's a heterosexual act, >> right? I define the act by the people having it, not exactly like what they're doing.

Brian Atlas>> Huh? >> Okay. So, hold on. So, but my my question still stands. You see a man. So, okay. There's a trans woman who uh >> it wouldn't look like the straightest thing to me, but I would still call it straight so long as I respect. >> Hold on, let me finish.

Brian Atlas>> All right. >> All right. So, you have a uh the trans woman, right? So, wig, makeup, fake titties in a dress. Um, >> cosplaying a woman,

Brian Atlas>> but does in fact have a massive schlong. >> Gigantic [ __ ] peen, right? >> All right. All right. >> Huge peen gi one of the biggest. Congrats, I guess. Uh, why >> this is why you need the I love big dick

Brian Atlasswag. Anyway, >> irrelevant micro. Um, >> so you then see the man performing oral sex.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. fellatio on the trans woman uh the trans woman's penis. Would you categorize this as a heterosexual act?

Brian Atlas>> Technically, yeah. Would it look that straight to you? >> Well, hold on. So, technically it would be heterosexual. It would be straight to see a man sucking a penis. That's straight to you. >> Okay. What I'm saying

Brian Atlas>> wait and also wait really quick. really quick. >> Okay. >> Also, it's a it's a um the trans woman is in possession of a penis. >> Do I have that correctly? The woman has a penis.

Angelica (DC)>> Okay, >> that's a question posed. Yes. Go ahead. >> I would say yes. Although, I'll say this image would seem just as absurd absurd to me as like everyone else on this table. Like this is not something that I would like be able to picture very well or it would kind of catch like I would >> wait. How could But I don't understand.

Brian AtlasSo, you do acknowledge that there are plenty. I don't know what the breakdown is. Like my understanding is most trans people have intact penises. Like if you're a trans woman, >> what I'm trying to say is just cuz something doesn't like initially seem that straight to me, so long as I choose

Brian Atlasto respect these people's identity, I'm still going to consider it. >> You can respect their identity, but I'm asking you if you were to witness such an act, would you ever categorize it as a heterosexual sexual act? >> In the case that that woman, that trans

Brian Atlaswoman identifies as a woman, then yeah. So you Okay, just to be clear, it it's hetero it's heterosexual for a man to suck a penis, suck a dick. >> There's no women penises. It's just

Brian Atlasvagina. Like is it like you're you're you're using like a slightly farst stretch hypothetical, but >> I don't It's not far stretched. I'll call it straight. I'll call it stretch. If it's that crazy to you, I'll call it straight. >> But really quick, so I I guess my final

Brian Atlasthought on this. So straight is short uh excuse me, short form slang for what? Heterosexual. I would say straight defines the gender that you are attracted to. >> But what does heterosexual relate to? >> Isn't that a sexuality?

Brian Atlas>> Well, so straight straight is short form slang for heterosexual. When we're talking about sexuality, it's baked into the term itself. We're talking about uh se like your attraction to the opposite sex, not the opposite gender. Hold on.

Angelica (DC)>> Well, I still I would still understand that that man is perceiving the trans woman as a woman. >> Just because you're something way doesn't mean it's true. >> Well, that's your orientation. that plays into but when we're talking about

Brian Atlassexuality it's opposite sex like if we're talking about heterosexual that's that stands for opposite sex attraction it doesn't mean opposite gender uh >> what I would say is just cuz something doesn't make sense to me and I can't

Angelica (DC)relate to it if it makes sense to them I'm going respect it >> but why are we as society forced to play makeel >> but it's it's their sexual interaction you're you sexual girlfriend who identified so it doesn't

Annaaffect you is what I'm It does actually. I actually have a story about a transgender person that did something very terrifying to me. So maybe you should keep your mouth shut. I actually am scared. >> A sexual encounter a sexual encounter

Riley Nimibetween a trans woman and a man happening in private >> with like out of your way does not affect. >> So it depends on how they think about it. Depends on how they think about it. >> Well, two things can be true. You can

Hannahsay you can say >> that you respect that, but also it's not a it's not a heterosexual. >> Exactly. I think that's where I'm trying to figure out. You can totally respect it, but at the end of the day, it's >> Well, I would say if I if I picture like this the sexual like

Frankie>> I'm not even trying to picture that act. Let's say you're a woman, you're wearing a dildo or a strap on or whatever and he's sucking on the strap on, does that automatically make him gay? >> That's a that's a great point to bring up. >> I think when a woman pegs a man, it's

Angelica (DC)gay. He's got some sort of >> But what makes I would argue against it. I would say it's not gay because you're still with a woman. It's like it's a gay tendency gay tendency for sure. going into your day.

Angelica (DC)>> Socially speaking, that could be a heristic to come to that conclusion. But ultimately, if he's not willing to do that with a man, then he still maintain.

Angelica (DC)He's a freaky guy, but he's still straight. If he's doing it with a man, a rubber, spiritual, that's a whole different other energy. That's a whole different other. >> I agree with you. I have pegged a man. >> Yeah. It's not gay, but it's freaky.

Angelica (DC)>> He wasn't gay. Freaky, but it's not gay. like her her system of defining this is actually the same as mine because I'm saying it doesn't depend on like the sexual details of what happening of what's happening even if it looks gay even if it looks straight. It depends on the identity of the person.

Riley NimiWhat if what if a man is having sex with a 13-year-old girl who identifies as 21? It depends on the identity of the person. This is a slippery slope playing with reality. >> Is a man >> having sex with a 13-year-old girl? Is that pedophilia? >> Maybe.

Angelica (DC)>> But what if what if they think of it as as she's actually older? Uh Riley, she's existed for talking about that. >> No, no, no. This to >> Yeah, the terms of service. >> Terms of service. >> Please don't tell me I'm trying to like find find like a scenario where we can like

Anna>> Well, it happens in other countries, right? Like children marriage happens in other countries >> and that sucks. But they bring it over here. >> Maybe we should restrain it over here. I never said we should bring it over here

Angelica (DC)for the children. >> Maybe we should restrain from the child narrative. It's an easy It's an easy point, but I would say honestly when it comes to the whole transwoman narrative, the trans man narrative, when it comes to a woman transitioning into a man, there is severe traumas that are not

Angelica (DC)have not been assessed and she is doing permanent physical mutilation to her body. If you're okay with that, then 10 toes to the floor. >> I think there should be like a age like minimum for any like >> I don't think there's an age minimum. I think across the board you are

Angelica (DC)mutilating your body. It's a healthy body. Why would a doctor who has a HIPPA compliance oath hypocratic someone hypocratic? >> If a man surgery is not necessarily >> if a man in his brain thought that his dog was an adult human female, would it be okay for that man to have sex with

Barbara Adamsonhis dog? >> No, it's the same way. It's the way that you were going to say >> I just want I have a bit of a hot take cuz somebody brought up pegging.

Barbara Adamson>> I I think that was me. >> I I think if you're a guy and you like getting pegged, it's kind of gay. kind of gay. >> I understand. I understand the social

Angelica (DC)>> I still think it's gay. Even if it's a woman doing the pegging, I still think it's a little weird. >> I get it. Weird. I get it. But at the same time, if he was just It's so easy to do it with a man. It's so easy. It is

Annaso easy on all fours getting out% agree. It's weird. It's freaking >> They're definitely going out and getting pegged by men, girl. To clarify, this

Angelica (DC)was a Mexican man and you know they feel like they're super machos and it was a Mexican man so he loved it. >> They have to release the tension somehow. Can I go back to things like that's

Emily Mackweird like why do but it's a thing. Yeah. Like if you're brain I don't think even go there or unless you're watching a lot of one at a time. >> Can I go back to this this what's her name? I'm sorry. Can I go back to what

Annayour point that you just Frankie Frankie just said brought up a good point. She said most people that transition end up committing >> guming. >> Okay. And I want to I want to delve into that real quick. I used to work for a hormone specialist in Salana Beach,

AnnaCalifornia. So I used to have to follow around listen to everything. She what I've learned from her is that hormones are the center of our health. Doctors take a hypocratic oath. And in that hypocratic oath it is what? Do not what

Annais it? Cause harm. >> Hormones are the center of our health. If if our hormones even if a woman who has PCOS or whatever overweight even someone that's done it throws off our hormones which throws off our thyroid. This is not health care. This is

Annamutilating your Now if you want to dress up as a woman by all means but to sit there and chop your your your reproductive system that regulates your hormones and to say that's healthcare. It's not. It actually causes cancers,

Annadiabetes, it increases mental health issues. And if you want I have a story about a trans person. I have a personal story and this is why I'm so passionate about it. I was the victim to a trans person. I was trying to be inclusive. I

Annawas trying to be nice and it bit me in the ass. This was a trans woman. Had everything but the bottom surgery. Looked like a man though. I mean like huge 6'4 huge I wish I could pull out my

Annaphone and show a picture. >> Was a friend. Um would he would come over all the time and you know we'd smoke weed. We were just like stoner friends together or whatever. Well, she I'll say now this person had my last

Annaname and his first name were the same. Just keep that in the back of your mind. One day he comes over. He's drumming his fingers and staring at me. He said, "I have something I need to talk to you about." Now, I'm working from home. It's

Annaduring co I'm talking to my boss. While I'm talking to my boss that I just felt this like stare and I look over and the way he was looking at me and just

Annadrumming his fingers at me and I was genuinely terrified. So my cousin called after my meeting with my boss and I went outside, came back in. For all I knew, Kelly was

Annagone. Okay. And I was like, "Okay, thank God. That was so uncomfortable." Well, I'm like working from home. All of a sudden, I get a this is when I lived in California, a beating on the door. And I look out and everyone knows that

AnnaCalifornia cops, you have to be basically in the middle of murdering someone for them to even do anything. So when I saw what I saw, my peepphole, it was terrifying. So many cops. So many um firefighters, so many everything. And I opened the door and they said, "Kelly."

AnnaAnd I >> You're kind of talking a lot. >> Oh, sorry. >> You're okay. >> But that being said, as valid as >> Can you land the plane? Land the plane real quick. >> Okay. I said, "I think you have the wrong person." I shut the door. They

Annabusted into the door. Kelly was in my kid's room hiding and called and said something very terrifying and that's why the cops pull out. And I went into and

Annafound like they pulled him out, put him in a 48 hour hold and I found a sack of every drug you can think of. He was doctor hopping. Mental health to the

Annaroof bad all the I mean hormones everything. I mean that is not medical. That's not medicine. And most of them are being treated this way. >> Well that's the thing. >> So you hate this this trans person cuz they had a lot of hormones that were found. I'm just checking.

Angelica (DC)>> What you said? >> No. because they were hiding in my bedroom and and threatening to hurt me. >> Okay, I understand. >> Because they were on all these hormones. >> I was just checking. Okay, thank you. >> You're being so condescending huffing and puffing at her story. Do you respect >> I did huff and puff at her story? I was listening.

Angelica (DC)>> Do you have Do you Do you respect men with porn addictions? >> Did I do I respect >> Do you respect men with porn addictions? >> No. >> Then why do you respect trans women? They're literally transitioning because

Barbara Adamsonthey watch too much porn. That's I said everyone transitions because they watch they always transition because of the link. I don't know if it's So you're

Angelica (DC)saying that children is because of >> and autogophilia is a real like reason that >> so every trans person is a porn addict? >> No, she never said that. >> Well, a quarter of them used to be homosexual and they usually transitioned because

Angelica (DC)they had a terrible relationship with their father. Once it became a trend, then typically incels started transmaxing after watching enough pornography and they started imagining themselves having sex with women. >> Yeah. If you actually look at the

Barbara Adamsonwritten work of um it's a trans woman, I can't remember their name, but um basically the fantasy is to be the one getting [ __ ] Like that's how they

Barbara Adamsondetail it. And so there there is like a kink aspect for some. I don't knowity though, but like if you think about the percentage of men who watch porn, it

Barbara Adamsonkind of checks out because if you the way that porn websites work is it starts you, you know, with something really simple and then the whole like websites are designed to kind of like keep

Barbara Adamsonshoving you into different niches. And I can see how men could end up end up there watching that kind of content. >> Yep. So that's just for male to female. What are we talking about for female to male? >> They were traumatized. They're usually victims of sexual sexual assault.

Angelica (DC)>> Find another transgender or gay. They like >> Are the majority of those trans people victims of sexual assault? Like from >> the homosexual ones are liable. It's like 60% of gay men are victims of like CSA. When it comes to women, most of

Angelica (DC)them have had a traumatic physical experience in their adolescence or childhood. That's why they want to chop off the causation definitively to you. Well, I'm just curious because I've never because since it's becoming a popular thing, I've never seen these statistics

Angelica (DC)and I've never heard bulimia trends. Women hop on selfarm. I don't know. I've met a lot of trans people and this is not something that's easy to lie to you. You move the goalpost. You're not really the greatest when it comes to having a grasp on reality. >> You use personal anecdotes earlier. So,

Angelica (DC)>> I did not use any personal aneotes. >> You said that that judgment against the Hispanics didn't exist cuz you never faced it anyway. >> No. Statistically speaking, why would they come over if there's discrimination? There is literally no discrimination because they could still get a job. >> You're the one using anecdotes saying, "Oh, they're discriminated." I'm talking about prejudice that you don't even

Riley Nimihave. It's not going back to the >> Why don't they get a job in Mexico then? >> Because the job in America probably pays you more. >> Why? >> Because we have a better economy. >> No. Why is it better? We both have access to the Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean. Like what what makes America better?

Angelica (DC)>> They're closer to the Panama Canal. >> Like every reason that the American economy is better like just >> No, but why? >> It's just more developed. It's a more developed country. >> Why? Why? Yeah. >> What would you say the root of it is? >> I would say that because most uh people here are European

Angelica (DC)>> of European. Do you think like just like like the phenotype is what's associated with the amount of money generated? >> The vast majority of >> what about the European phenotype generates more money? I'm curious. I don't know. >> I don't know either. This is longterm thinking. >> You're just saying you believe this

Riley Nimi>> because here's the thing. Europeans throughout the entire entirety of Europe, they have to go through a hot summer, cold winter, hot summer, cold winter. If somebody is living off the coast of Nigeria and that and the entire civilization is built off the coast of Nigeria, if you can call it a

Riley Nimicivilization, they're just constantly at like 80° non-stop. They don't have to build they don't have to build a shelter. They don't have to prepare for food. While people in Europe, they'd have to prepare food, prepare food for the winter, build a good shelter for the winter, that in the summer it's hot. They have to figure out things. They have to go back and forth with these

Riley Nimithings, which is why Europe and East Asia are so developed. Like, >> are you talking a lot? >> Really? Yeah. Yeah. I was really nice. I had to get that. >> I was really nice and didn't interrupt anyone for a decent bit of time. Okay.

Angelica (DC)>> And then it's like, wow. >> And you just like had to do it to me. I thought we were friends cuz you >> I do disagree with your point to an extent though because I say that there's different economic systems that have helped in each nation. Each nation builds their own economic system based

Angelica (DC)on the cultural values. I think that there's foreign international elements that are subverting Africa that are subverting South America from their natural economy cuz look at what about before has made a perfect nation but he was able to incarcerate all the

Angelica (DC)criminals where before he wasn't allowed to because the multinational corporations necessitated violence. Why did Africa never develop before globalization? If that's your >> that's the that's the argument that I'm going to predate. Before colonization, they were basically fine doing whatever

Angelica (DC)they had to do. If you believe if you believe that people need to remain and prosper within their own cultural homogeneity, why not fine remaining? Why exactly were Europeans well actually it predates why exactly were Arabs going

Angelica (DC)into Africa subverting their nations and using them as slave labor? They were fine as is. In fact, even South Africa's evidence of that. When the Dutch were building their communities, Rhodesia is also an example of that. that when the Dutch were the British were building

Angelica (DC)their civilizations, a lot of Africans remained in their tribal centers in their allotted spaces. They had their own maintenance. They understood what their values were. They understood what made them happy. At the end of the day, it's really the industrial revolution that has messed everyone up, including

Riley Nimiour own country. This is why we're criticizing the nature of our own economy, our own civilization. >> Okay. So, why do you think the industrial revolution happened between England and the United States, predominantly white countries? Why didn't it happen in Africa? There's actually a really interesting documentary like pertaining to this

Angelica (DC)called Guns, Germs, and Steel that has to do with like the distribution of like germs and bacteria as well as where steel was found and who was able to >> because Europeans lived in dense cities and stuff and that's why there's like disease that they were built immunity to. >> That's not what I said. I mean like it's been a while. >> You just mentioned germs and I'm

Angelica (DC)assuming >> I'm not I don't want to like have a whole conversation about it, but like stand on nothing. You have a foundation of sand, but I give it to you. It's all environmentally dictated. So the reason why Africa >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I said.

Angelica (DC)environment like weather. That's what I'm saying. And the reason the reason Africa didn't reach the industrial revolution is because their environment gave them all of the resources. When it comes to Asia, they had to be collectivist because they all were working the rain. What's it called? The

Angelica (DC)rain or the rice farms, the rice fields rather. When it comes to Europe, it's a wheat based system. So that's why they prioritize individualism. When it comes to the southern Europeans, they're Mediterranean. >> What how did how did we get off? First we were talking about porn and then

Frankiegetting pegged by women and now we're back talking. It's a pretty long podcast so like we're kind of >> boring. >> I'm just trying to figure out where we're talking about. >> I know. I don't know how we got to this point, honestly. >> Is your name Angelica? Yes. Okay. I

Angelica (DC)wanted to ask you, so as far as the transmaxing, do you think it's more about them trying to validate themselves? >> No, I honestly think it's not even a validation. I think there's no identity when it comes to particularly white men in this country. So, they're seeking

Angelica (DC)anything to basically get their bare minimum needs met, which is sex. So, if they're going to find sex, which is seemingly the most promoted thing, then obviously they're going to go down that route. But when it comes to

Angelica (DC)my argument is anyone who promotes this trans agenda, are you willing to take responsibility on for the surgical mutilations that they take on the way that they're going to propagate it onto children, the fact that we have to tax subsidize their surgeries and not tax

Angelica (DC)subsidize child birth. Women in this country have to pay 20 to 50k in childirth, but we fully fund a man becoming a woman. >> You don't have to pay 20 to 50k. Trans a social disadvantage though? >> No, clearly not. You support them.

Anna>> Well, clearly, blindly. In fact, in schools, in every academic, they get incentives for being trans. >> The man that attacked me, uh, my company paid 90% of his, uh, sex SRS. >> I don't agree with that.

Anna>> And I would love a tummy attack after having three kids. Do you think that was a support trans rights then? >> There's no such thing as trans rights. >> Everyone has the same rights. >> Mental illness promotion. >> Yeah,

Angelica (DC)>> they are mentally ill. just not the case. How are you going to take a gay person? I will take full responsibility because they're not wanting to reproduce. If I will take full responsibility, if we see a society, I'm encouraging these people to find some security in their femininity and in

Angelica (DC)their masculinity. I will not take responsibility for what they end up hurting themselves doing or the illusions that they end up promoting. Will you take responsibility for the delusions that they're having and what they do to their own body? >> Would you? No. Would you? >> Of course not.

Angelica (DC)>> Would you treat a schizophrenic by talking to the invisible people that they are seeing? Would you treat it that way? >> But that's like that's because you're acknowledging one as a mental illness and the other is like >> how is thinking that you're something

Angelica (DC)that you're not a mental illness? >> Well, that's cuz you like again I respect these people's identity. I see it as a woman. >> So I don't think like it's it's that goes down to whether or not you view them as a woman. You

Anna>> what is a mental illness? >> A mental illness I'd say is like >> a problem that exists like within your mind mentally that plagues you. So someone that needs to be on hormones and mutilate their body and >> again I wouldn't even call it mutilation and I wouldn't >> think that there's something that they're not

Angelica (DC)>> I wouldn't say take okay >> I don't want to get too vulgar but if a man ends up inverting his private parts it will necrify they have to dilate it and it ends up wound they end up dying from the wound itself 50% of them die

Angelica (DC)including women from the wound itself cuz it dies the flesh dies then they get infections cuz they're trying to pee out of something that is completely mutilated is mutilation they air inside

Angelica (DC)of the flesh It is mutilation and you're encouraging that. Don'tide encouraging that. That is what I said. I would respect the identity of a trans person. I I was not talking about that procedure. I was talking about their talking about their own.

Brian Atlas>> Also, can I bring >> Yo, Angelica. Angelica, if you're going to [ __ ] have a conversation with her, you got to let her finish without uh interrupting. It's [ __ ] dog [ __ ] for the audio. Go ahead. I was just going to say when I say I

Angelica (DC)respect a trans person's identity, I am saying like okay, I will if you want to identify as a woman, I will call you as such. I will treat you as such. I am not saying that this particular procedure that has all these adverse effects on the human body that I am encouraging everyone to get this procedure. I don't

Angelica (DC)know about that procedure. And if it's really harmful, then I would and it's causing like all these people all this harm, then I'm not for that. I'm just >> Can I identify as black? Sorry. Which is why she was saying that she doesn't care if they suck a penis or not because they already identified a woman which makes

Angelica (DC)them a woman. The surgery does not make them a woman. But >> that's I want her to answer the can I identify as black. >> Why the hell not >> cuz I I don't I don't think your ethnicity is like a social construct. >> Well, that's the point. If you knew

Annabetter if you knew better, you wouldn't think that way. Why do you think we're arguing with you? >> Do you think that white people are the dominant race in America? Yes or no? >> I don't know. Are do they make up the biggest like percentage? >> Yes.

Anna>> Yes. But do you think that they dominate everywhere? Schools like >> that wasn't your original question. >> The biggest mis dominate and then do they dominate everywhere? Those are two separate. >> Okay. Do you think that white people

Angelica (DC)dominate the world? >> Dominate the world? No, not necessarily. There's like like a billion people in China. So like if we just talk about like demographic percentages, then I don't think they're the >> Okay. Do you think white people dominate

AnnaAmerica? Well, if we're talking like demographically, if they make up the biggest percentage, then yeah. >> But do you think we have the most benefits in society and we're the last less oppressed?

Anna>> I would not necessarily know. >> Okay.

Anna>> What's your where where are you taking your line of questioning? >> I don't know where she's going because race is a social construct, too. Cuz there's a lot of people out there that say, "Oh, well, white people have more of an advantage." >> Ethnicity isn't, though. You're you're

Angelica (DC)then that makes ethnicity and race a social construct when you say things like that. >> I'd say race can be a social construct. Like someone could perceive me as one thing, but I could like not be that thing when it comes to like race. Like for example, he thought I was like

Angelica (DC)Hispanic. That's what my ethnicity is Indian. I have like that's like in my DNA that's been tested. Like that's >> Yeah. >> Okay. But I wanted to go back to it though. Like why can't I really identify as black? Why can't I do that? cuz I

Riley Nimidon't think that there's anything about that that you can relate to. >> Okay. What if I adopt black culture? What if I have dreadlocks on? What if I like knock up some women and don't take care of them? Like >> that's not black culture. That's not It

Angelica (DC)really tied to your heritage. It's tied like your like ethnicity is tied to your heritage like going way back. It's tied to your family. It's tied to your upbringing. It's tied to your background. It's probably ti tied to the places you visit.

Angelica (DC)>> Isn't your gender tied to your sex? >> Yeah, but your your sex your sex just starts at your birth. I said I I already acknowledged the biological reality within gender earlier. You didn't prove something to be fair though culture. It

Angelica (DC)is I also I said there is equally a sexual aspect and a biological aspect. I mentioned leaving a woman pregnant out of wedlock that is the absence of culture and responsibility. >> Exactly. That's something that needs to be encouraged. When it comes to black culture, there are elements of music and

Angelica (DC)culture that need to be respected. But when it comes to leaving a woman pregnant and abandoning her, that is the absence of culture. I would say being black does not depend on your hairstyle or music taste. It depends on your heritage, your like,

Griselda>> well, why doesn't it depend on that? If before we move to race, can I add something on the transgender thing? I think that people need to start being okay with seeing men in dresses and not

Angelica (DC)calling them women. I think that men should be able to be feminine and to wear dresses, have long hair, whatever, without being called a woman. >> Yeah, but that was the whole thing with Kurt Cobain. It's like that's been normalized. That was actually like

Frankiepopularized. people. I refuse to be trans >> because it's a trend to be transgender. There is a difference between transgender people that are transgender

Griseldabecause of the mental illness, gender dysphoria, which is real and hard to deal with, whatever. And transgender people who are transgender because they they want to be part of this trend. They

Griseldawant they want to look feminine and call themselves. You should be able to be feminine and wear a dress and look like a woman without calling yourself a woman. >> The last point that I have is when it comes to someone who is truly mentally ill, which used to be the case before it

Angelica (DC)became a trend, would you be okay with them getting surgical procedures as opposed to psychiatric help? >> No, you you can't if if you have some other type of delusion where you really

Griseldafeel like you need to have your leg chopped off, a doctor's not going to do that. Obviously, I think that it probably should be the same for transgender

Angelica (DC)people. You should be able to look like a woman and do feminine things without having to change the one thing that nobody sees, you know, and calling yourself a woman. >> I'm in agreement.

Angelica (DC)>> I also just want to say like if you're like considering like transgender like a mental illness, I really also hope you're really advocate for like mental health awareness, more mental health resources being put into schools and things of that sort. I just hope that

Angelica (DC)that's the case for you. Yeah, congratulations. It is that you got what you received. >> No, I'm just I'm just checking. I'm just hoping to say congratulations again. >> Of course. Of course. >> The unknown soldier donated $200. >> Thank you, man. >> I'd like lighten the mood with a poem

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Brian Atlas>> Can we at least get to 100? >> It would be 8 million. It would >> get to 100, though. >> I think we could get to 100. >> I think Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I still I still am going to do the champagne pot from earlier. We're going to uh shift gears

Brian Atlashere. We do have a super chat also from Jim Bob. If a woman is anyone that wants to claim they are a woman, why do we have title nine? Why are you misogynist? >> Oh >> yeah, >> I was going to I tried to bring up title

Barbara Adamsonn >> tell me more about title nine. >> It happened during a brown road of education versus >> it like ensures a division between men's and women's sports and things like that

Angelica (DC)so that way women can compete fairly. >> It happened board of education. The reason we have title N is cuz like sports plays a line to like your body, your physiology and because like men and women from birth have very different

Brian Atlasphysiology like there needs to be something like that. >> Do you think that a trans woman or trans person in general has a duty or should have a duty to disclose to a potential romantic partner?

Brian Atlas>> Disclose your private parts. >> Uh I I think so. Yeah. I think that should be like something they should be honest about. >> Yeah. Last week we had a woman saying that there was no uh duty. Well, there isn't like a legal duty, so technically

Brian Atlassomeone could like bamboozle you. Um, but I think there should be like a moral ethical duty. Like if you're trans, uh, you should probably disclose that and not let let's say you're super passing

Annaor whatever. >> Uh, although I like to think that it's usually pretty obvious, but >> you know, >> there's some good ones out there. >> Yeah, look, some boys or whatever. I

Annaguess I know someone I know. >> I think he or he didn't discuss it. They should disclose. But I thought they were a woman. >> What makes them different from a normal woman? >> What does it have to do with whether or not I think they should disclose it? I think that's a major part of their

Angelica (DC)identity. >> I thought they were just a normal woman though. That's that's interesting. So it should be different. >> I think they're a woman, but obviously they have a very different experience and a very different past. And that also like again relates to their physiology in some way. >> Okay. Okay. Let me ask if if a man were

Angelica (DC)to have sex with you, sorry it's awkward, but if a man were to have sex with you, would he be gay or straight? Like is it straight for him to do that? That would be straight. I also want to clarify I'm I'm not attracted to trans

Brian Atlasmen personally. >> Okay. Um, by the way, guys, the my my math hiccup there. I drink so much from that champagne bottle. I'm still a bit

Brian Atlastipsy. So, when I'm a little, you know, alcohol's involved, my math just completely >> That's why we don't have any extra champagne. That's really >> You got another one, right? >> Yeah. There's another one. We're going to pop another one. So, Robert Tanner, we're going to pop that in just a

Brian Atlasmoment. What? Uh, well, I do have to move it on, but we have Gorlock the Destroyer. Uh, this is a dating question. On a scale of one, zero to 10, rate your own looks. Hold on, let me repeat that because I [ __ ] stuttered.

Brian AtlasOn a scale of 0 to 10, rate your own looks. Face, body total, can't pick seven. So, do it. Like, for example, I I'll go ahead and rate myself. >> Uh, face 4.5, body 4.5, total 4.5. So,

Brian Atlasif you can break it down like your face rating, body rating, total rating. Starting with you. >> Can I just say like 6.5 over >> uh No, just do face body total. So total would be >> I'll just say 6.5 for everything.

Brian Atlas>> So can you do face 6.5 >> 6.5 body 6.5 total 6.5. >> I think you're >> Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. >> Sorry. >> Stop. We don't need the constant buttons on some of these. Just allow the people.

GriseldaLet me go around the panel. Go ahead. >> Face six body six total six. >> Okay. Uh face six, body six, total six as well.

Ally>> Okay. >> Um face four and a half, body six, total five. >> Okay.

Emily Mack>> Face five, body five, total five. >> Um face 5.5, body 6.5. I don't know. Total just five and five in general.

Hannah5.5. >> Um, eight, eight, eight. >> Uh, I think personality plays a huge role. >> We're talking about looks.

Hannah>> I know. I think it plays a role. >> I would say eight, eight, and eight. >> Uh, okay. What about you? >> Um, >> Mike, closer to the mic, please. >> Four, six,

Annaseven. I don't know. >> That doesn't make sense. >> The math is not that. >> Yeah. In total, just like a six. >> Oh, I was just trying to tell this lady that she undercut herself. I think you're very beautiful, FYI.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you. >> Yeah. Um, I would say seven and a half all around. Like down the board. >> Uh, well, >> you can't say seven at all. Not seven and a half. >> Yeah. So, you're going to have to either go

Angelica (DC)>> Okay. Can I just say six and a half then? >> Sure. Okay. >> Okay. >> You don't agree to that? >> Yeah. base five, body probably five, and then overall five. >> Okay, Riley.

Brian Atlas>> Well, my acne tanks me. Um, I would say I can't say seven. So, eight, eight, eight. >> All right. And, uh, I gave myself 4.5. 4.5. 4.5. All right. Uh, wow. No tens at the table. That is a rare treat, I

Annaguess. Uh, >> we don't want to open up ourselves to any more controversy. >> Oh, so, okay. We do have some tens then, maybe at the table. Um, all right. And I mean, I do think there were some overratings, admittedly, not going to

Brian Atlaslie. >> Uh although I usually don't. >> Yeah. Can you rate us? >> I can do that. I'm sure I can do it. Um >> but yeah, usually I'm going to kind of pick on somebody who gives themselves a 10 or a nine or something. I mean, the

Brian Atlas>> there was a couple overratings. I will I'll rate you guys super quick, but we're not going to actually linger on this topic >> quite as long as we normally do. Okay. So, uh, let's see here. Uh, I I should

Brian Atlasrepeat your ratings. Uh, you gave yourself 6.5. Uh, you got to just let your eyebrows just go natural, I think. >> We've talked about that before. >> And I did a little bit.

Brian Atlas>> We've talked about them. >> We talked about that before. >> I did more. >> Just let them go. Just let them. >> You know, >> when you wax, it kills the hair follicles to her thing. I stopped waxing.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, okay. Anyway, >> uh, 6. You gave yourself 6.5. You're wearing full face of makeup, foundation, contouring, powder, eyeliner, mascara. Do you have fake lashes? >> Uh, I put on like one little cluster on the edge, but mostly not.

Brian Atlas>> Are you wearing hair extensions? >> No, this is my real hair. >> Okay. Uh, you gave yourself 6.5. I think I'd put you like 5.56. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, you gave yourself a six. Uh, I put you at a

Brian Atlasfour to 4.5. You gave yourself a six. Uh, you've got full anime girl makeup.

Brian AtlasUh, what's that? What's the term for it? Uh, the the the there's a specific term for that kind of it's like Japanese style. >> Japanese. >> Yeah, I am part Japanese.

Brian Atlas>> I feel like anime was right. You use anime. Guyaru, I think. I think it might be that. Uh, oh, you're you're part J half Japanese. >> Yeah, mine's more Jedi K, though. >> A little closer to the mic. >> Mine's more Jedi K. >> Jedi.

Brian Atlas>> I have no idea what that is, but I'll take your word for it. Uh, so yeah, you've got the fake lashes, quite a bit of makeup. It is hard to do assessments when the makeup is so robust. Uh, you gave yourself a six. I'm gonna I and I'm

Brian Atlasalso giving the someone the the assessment like I'm envisioning without the makeup. Uh I think you'd be closer to like 4.755.

Brian AtlasUh you gave yourself a 4.5. Um I actually think that's pretty accurate. Uh you got to lose the septum piercing though. Uh and you should I think you

Brian Atlasgot >> you gota uh you're conservative, right? I'm more moderate. >> You're moderate. Okay. What's with the short hair? Just curious.

Griselda>> Well, it's a funny story. My current boyfriend had cancer and I dressed up for I dressed up as him for Halloween and I went like all the way. So, I

Angelica (DC)shaved my hair off. I bought him a wig. Or he might have bought himself a wig, but he dressed as me. I dressed as him. It was awesome. >> That's so sweet. >> I think that's sweet. Admirable that you did that. That's adorable. >> I'm going to cry. Well, you're uh

Brian Atlas>> Brian can't even hate on that. >> Well, yeah. I mean, of course, uh you know, the this is a things people do if if a friend or family member or you know, boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever

Brian Atlashas cancer and like a show of solidarity, you will shave your head uh to support, but it it does typically at least for assessments of female attractiveness, uh shorter hair

Brian Atlastypically does have an impact on like the assessment of attractiveness. But I think grow the hair out, lose the septum piercing. I miss my long hair all the time. So pretty. >> But so yeah, you gave yourself 4.5. I

Brian Atlasthink you're fairly spot on there. Uh you gave yourself a five. Is that correct? Uh fair bit of uh eye shadow there. Um full face of makeup. Uh I

Brian Atlasthink I'd give you a between a four or 4.5. Uh you gave yourself a 5.5 in for face. Um,

Brian AtlasI think, yeah, five, 5.5. I think you're fairly spot on. You gave your you gave yourself a an eight there. Uh, I think you did overrate yourself. I'd probably

Brian Atlasgive you uh I want to say between a four and a five. >> Um, you gave yourself an eight. you are wearing quite a bit of uh makeup,

Brian Atlasalthough underneath the makeup there are some strong uh aesthetic components there. I do think you did slightly overrate yourself, but I would say I I think I'd give you uh it is hard with

Brian Atlasthe makeup. >> Uh I think I'd give you maybe like a six. Six. Uh you gave yourself a four. Is that correct?

Brian Atlas>> Six. >> Oh, wait. I must have You're very strict, Brian. Jeez, >> I think you cut yourself, too. I think you undercut yourself. >> Hey, I can give the Hold on. Just to be

Brian Atlasclear. So, uh, some people think seven is average. Like, they're doing it off of like a grade, you know, like a C. You'd be like a C is an average grade or whatever. And that would make you uh I

Brian Atlasdon't know in the the if you what what is a C like you out of a 100 points you get between 70 >> 70 >> 70 to 80 and people think that's average grade or whatever. No

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