DEMON Satanic E-GIRL w/ 300+ Body Count (4 In 1 Day)?! Did WHAT In A GRAVEYARD?! | Dating Talk #216

Date: 2024-11-27

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEmily (Inula)>

IIsabella (UCSB)>

KKatie Valentine >

AAmanda (Veterans)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Emily (Inula)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Isabella/TTS(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kyla(guest)

SPEAKER_12Katie Valentine(guest)

SPEAKER_13Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_14Jasmine(guest)

Key Moments

IntroEmily (Inula) introduces herself as 23yo Danish/Hungarian OnlyFans creator; reveals satanic tattoo

“I'm Inula but you can call me Emily, I'm 23 and I'm partly living in Hungary and Denmark”

IntroCena introduces herself - 18yo Canadian, OnlyFans + engineering student (returning guest)

“hi my name is Cena I'm 18 my occupation is OF and I live in Canada”

RelationshipKatie Valentine reveals on-again off-again complicated relationship (~5-6 years, 4 years cohabiting); previously had 7.5 year relationship

“currently I'm kind of in an on again off again relationship... we were together for four years and we lived together and then we had a breakup”

IntroJasmine introduces herself - 27yo pharmacy tech from LA, engaged 4 years

“my name is Jasmine I am 27 years old from LA I work part-time managing a smoke shop”

RelationshipJasmine reveals she is currently engaged, 4-year relationship, her longest

“at the moment I am currently engaged uh we have been together for going on 4 years”

Key MomentEmily reveals her boyfriend drove her to hook up with another man and waited outside while she had sex - then kissed her when she returned

“he would drive you to one guy but you went to that guy multiple times... when you got back in the car would he go in for a kiss immediately... he went in for the kiss yeah”

QuoteBrian PSA: Men should never date a woman who is sexually involved with another man - it's a baseline standard

“this should be your Baseline standard even if you struggle to get women it should be the you do not sink this low ever ever your Baseline should be if a woman is sexually involved with another man that is 100% a deal breaker”

ControversyAndrew challenges Emily: if she believes in equal rights she is a feminist by definition; lists her liberal positions vs claimed conservatism

“so to get this right: pro women's Choice pro LGBTQ pro women's Liberation where's is there a single conservative principal hidden anywhere”

ControversyAndrew systematically lists Emily's "conservative" contradictions: masturbated on grave, got abortion (preventing boyfriend from being a father), pro-women's liberation, pro-LGBTQ

“so far what we have is that you masturbated on a dude's grave and this was after you were with a guy and you went and had an abortion thus making it so that he would never be a father”

IntroRiley arrives late and introduces herself - 27yo web3 developer, Vegas, just out of a relationship

“my name is Riley I'm 27 years old I'm a web 3 developer and I live in Vegas”

ControversyEmily reveals she masturbated on a dead man's grave for $200 custom OF request; police were called but did nothing

“a guy asked you to do a solo tape on his father's tombstone... I visited the grave paid my respect and then... well I visited the grave”

QuoteSelf-ratings round - Cena rates herself 5 (was 8 on Sunday), Brian asks why she lost 3 points in 48 hours

“why did you lose three points in 48 hours... you were here on Sunday... now you're mid a five”

Key MomentBrian: if girlfriend wants to go to bachelorette party in Mexico, relationship is over - different values

“she's just not going... you can go the relationship is over it was nice to meet you we have different values”

Key MomentJasmine reveals she was undocumented since age 3 and was involved with a pimp (served as bottom bitch/assistant)

“I'm not legally from here so my process... I was a ghost in the system at the time... I would just help him around with whatever girls he was working with”

Key MomentJasmine reveals she was married at 22 and divorced, then almost pimped out by a sugar daddy who used her undocumented status

“he was like a literal pimp yes... wanted to make me one of his... I would just help him around with whatever girls he was working with... it was it was basically you could call it that”

QuoteAndrew: Brian can't get a plastic straw in CA due to stigma against plastic, but can freely access all OF content online

“Brian lives in a state currently where he can't get a plastic drinking straw because of the stigma against plastic... but right now he can go on that laptop and pull up all of your naked pictures”

Key MomentEmily reveals body count of 302 - 100+ this year alone due to OF customs; had 68 partners before age 20

“body count 302... this year's the year I've been with the most people is it because of OF... 200 plus this year”

QuoteAndrew formally challenges Michael Knowles to a 1v1 debate on the Whatever Podcast about the manosphere

“I'd like to challenge Michael Knowles to a debate on the whatever podcast uh just 1 V one he's been on before so have I we know Brian Atlas will be a fair moderator”

TopicAndrew Wilson wraps up and leaves the show after ~7 hours

“Andrew thank you for coming... thank you for joining us”

Key MomentIsabella walks through the logic that a man dating a trans woman is homosexual (Brian leads her through it until she concedes)

“a transgender woman is male... through sex yeah... so trans a transgender woman is male you agree with this... man dating a transgender woman is homosexual”

Key MomentMakeup removal challenge - all female guests wipe off makeup; chat reacts to who looks better without makeup

“okay who's going to do it Cena you going to do it... boom boom... I need a lot of makeup”

Key MomentCena eats entire Snickers bar in one bite as a challenge

“okay guys this is she... you have to one bite... yeah I made it”

Topics Discussed

Show Intro & Guest Introductions

Brian opens the show, explains delayed start due to rain. Guests introduce themselves in order: Emily (Danish OF creator, 23), Cena (18, Canadian, returning guest), Isabella (18, UCSB), Katie Valentine (34, Las Vegas, paralegal/escort), Amanda (34, Sacramento, veterans mental health), Kyla (27, Arizona, modeling). Jasmine arrives later and introduces herself. Riley arrives even later.

Emily's Open Relationship & Graveyard Story

Brian reads Emily's pre-show notes. Discussion of her open relationship at 16-18 where boyfriend drove her to hookups. The boyfriend was a cuck who kissed her when she returned. Brian gives PSA about men not accepting this. Emily also reveals she masturbated on a dead man's grave for a $200 OF custom during Halloween - the requester's father's grave. Police were called after her TikTok but did nothing. Andrew notes Danish law on grave desecration.

Emily's Abortion & Conservative vs Liberal Contradictions

Andrew challenges Emily's claim to be conservative while holding pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pansexual, sex-work-positive views. Emily had an abortion on her birthday (boyfriend had testicular cancer and wanted to keep baby; she went back to him after). Andrew catalogues her contradictions.

Riley Arrives Late - Age Gap Relationship Discussion

Riley introduces herself as a web3 developer who just arrived. She was in a 30-year age gap relationship with a 57yo man she met while serving at a casino. They waited 3 months to have sex (long distance). Discussion of age gap dynamics.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Cena rates herself 5 (was 8 on Sunday - says makeup is off today). Emily: 5. Isabella: 5. Katie: 7-7.5 without everything, 8-8.5 with; said she was 9-10 at peak (28-29). Jasmine: 5.5. Amanda: 7. Kyla: 7. Andrew: 4. Brian: 4. Discussion of when women peak physically.

Do Women Peak in their 20s? Aging & Looks Discussion

Extended debate on whether women peak physically in their 20s. Brian argues women will not be better looking at 40 vs 25 all else equal. Amanda and Jasmine claim they'll be better looking later. Andrew argues cosmetic enhancements are designed to maintain youthful appearance. Discussion of confidence vs actual physical beauty, BBL, breast implants, push-up bras. Most women cope about aging.

Makeup: Deceptive or Enhancing?

Katie disagrees makeup is always deceptive - thinks it can just enhance natural features. Brian argues makeup is deceptive because attraction happens before conscious assessment. 50/50 split on panel. Discussion of fake lashes, contouring vs natural. At end of show they do makeup removal challenge.

Sex Work, Dating & Traditional Roles

Brian's position: women in sex work don't deserve traditional gentleman treatment (paying for dates, being providers). Not saying they can't find men who do it, just that they don't deserve it. Panel debates: women claim they still want traditional treatment despite non-traditional work. Andrew argues sex work/porn rewires men's brains, causes harm similar to addiction. Emily argues men buy it so it can't be wrong. Andrew uses body disposal analogy.

Penis Size Discussion

Does size matter? Yes/no split. Jasmine says average girth is fine (5.5" or even 4" if average girth). Katie admits she'd still have sex even if size was disappointing but no second date. Amanda wants girth proportionate to length (minimum 6in). Measurement tape comes out. Discussion of "pity sex."

Women Caring About Looks More Than Men

Brian argues women care more about looks than men based on specific things: height (out of control), hair (balding), and penis size (physical not visual). Kyla gives compelling argument: women swipe on only 10% of men on dating apps while men swipe on nearly everyone. Discussion of whether men are superficial vs strategic swipers.

Going Out to Bars/Clubs in Relationships

Extended debate on whether women in relationships should go out to bars/clubs. Brian: women going out is a bigger liability than men because women will be approached/pursued. Amanda: husband doesn't want her traveling internationally without him - discusses compromise. Katie: trusts partner but brings up bachelorette party example (Mexico). Andrew makes emotional appeal about irrational fears. Brian: would end relationship if girlfriend went to bachelorette party. Discussion of symmetry in relationship rules.

Delusional Dating Calculator

Brian runs the Slate Delusional Dating Calculator for Katie (200k income, 6ft+, no obese, any race, 28-50): 0.96%. With married included ~similar. Riley (150k, 5'5"+, 27-57, no obese): 1%. Cena (no income req, 4'11"+ height, 18-30, no obese excluded): 0.062%. Andrew explains how dropping a few standards would skyrocket the percentages.

Marriage: Bad Deal for Men?

Brian argues marriage is a bad deal for men. Guests try to make case for marriage: tradition, loyalty, security, protection. Brian rebuts each point - can get all benefits without marriage contract. Discusses divorce statistics skewed toward women. Prenups can't fully protect. Andrew notes Danish divorce stats same as US. Brian's hypothetical about hand amputation to get married (Christian ethics debate with Andrew). Riley says sign prenup and give her security. Katie: agrees marriage is bad financially for both.

Body Count Round

Body counts revealed around the table. Emily: 302 (shocking, 100+ this year alone due to OF customs; 68 by age 20; 4 in one day max; had 6-some once). Cena: 3. Isabella: 2. Katie: refused to share (over/under 1000 professionally also refused). Amanda: forgot/unknown (been with husband 12 years). Kyla: 7. Jasmine: declined (said it's between her and her fiancé). Riley: declined.

Aging Photos (AI Age Progression)

Damian pulls up AI age progression photos of all the women. Mixed reactions - some look the same, some age well in the AI, some get "armpit fat" added. Kyla sees herself looking like her mom. Brief but fun segment.

Feminism: Equality or Women's Advocacy?

Brian argues first-wave feminism wasn't about equality because women got the vote without military conscription. Andrew notes most women voted against suffrage originally. Brian: feminism fights for women's benefits only, never takes away privileges. Riley and Isabella disagreed on questionnaire (thought it was about equality). Brian walks through logic showing even first-wave feminism was selective.

Women Oppressed? Slut-Shaming Debate

Amanda says women are oppressed (slut-shaming double standard). Andrew and Brian challenge: how is a preference (not wanting to date high-body-count women) oppressive? Brian: social shaming is the only tool to reduce hookup culture. Amanda: hookup culture can have positive aspects (sexual self-knowledge). Andrew: society has campaigns against smoking/drinking but none against porn/OF.

Andrew Wilson Departure & Michael Knowles Challenge

Andrew says goodbye and issues formal challenge to Michael Knowles (conservative commentator) to debate on Whatever Podcast. Clarifies the Nala clip controversy - some other account (not Whatever) added misleading headline. Andrew notes the episode had the most selectively edited clips of any Whatever episode.

Is Dating a Man Transgender Gay? Logic Exercise

Isabella disagreed on questionnaire that "it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman." Brian walks her through: can't change sex, only gender. Trans woman is biologically male. Homosexual = same-sex. Therefore man + trans woman = homosexual. Isabella eventually concedes. Discussion of post-op trans scenarios.

Roast Session / TTS Reading

$20 TTS roast session. Highlights: LOL paladins multiple donations roasting various guests. Danny Simmon rates panel "solid four." Roasts of Emily (Viking pillaging for a fee), Jasmine (pimp story). Brian reads Brian's mom TTS. Cena eats a Snickers bar in one bite. Makeup removal challenge - guests wipe makeup off to reveal natural faces. Comments on who looks better without makeup.

Show Outro & Twitch Raid

Brian wraps up. Jasmine thanks Brian for having her. Brian tries to raid streamer "Mitch" who was going for world first hardcore run in WoW Classic but got disconnected. Brian sends kind message. Final TTS messages read. Brian eats burrito on stream after champagne pop donation. Outro with raid to Mitch.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswhen it comes to two singular sex partners mhm not counting the three sums four sums Etc uh what's the most amount of sexual encounters you've had in a 24-hour period maybe

Brian Atlasfour

Andrew Wilsonuh wait just to just verifi did you say you were 16 or 18 uh she said 16 she lost her

Brian Atlasoh 16 okay I thought you said 18 sorry no uh you said sorry four in a 24-hour period yeah okay uh what about a 48 hour period two

Brian Atlasdays then seven I guess seven uh what about a two we fortnite how body counts

Emily (Inula)in a fortnite what is a 2 weeks 14 days fortnite I have no idea I don't don't like keep track of how many in a a week

Brian Atlasand then if you were to include the thre sums four sus whatever what's the most amount of men you've slept with in a one-day period it be four oh still four okay uh I'm not sure if that checks out

Brian Atlasbut [Music] uh and then I don't know if I

Brian Atlasuh okay wow uh cool congrats I yes I think I'm not sure uh Cena what about you body count three three Isabella

Katie Valentinetwo I'm not answering that sorry you want to give you want to give us a range no not really I feel like that question is for the man who decides he may want

Katie Valentineto marry me or I'm with and I don't feel like the whole world needs to know my body count but it's okay if they know that you used to be an escort I mean yeah sure that's what was you're so far

Katie Valentinefrom the mic and you just on the that's still not I just don't feel like that's any of your business or anyone else that watches this show sure I mean you're

Brian Atlasunder no requirement to share it just it is I know uh can you maybe not for like Recreation but can you share how many men you've

Katie Valentineprofessionally seen no over or under a thousand I'm not answering oh

Background/Crew 2do it just do it oh we love sh sometimes it's okay to not answer yesterday you said tomorrow so

Background/Crew 2just do it make your dreams come true just do it fortunately my body count doesn't

Background/Crewdetermine if I make my dreams come true nothing is impossible love the ponytail it's so long or anyone else would quit and you're not going to stop there no what

Background/Crew 2are you waiting for do it just what do it yes you can just do

Brian Atlasit you the spitting I will give you a $2 bill if you

Katie Valentinereveal you know how much a $2 bill is worth not worth my body count $2 all right I tried uh okay uh body

Kylacount seven uh you I think you to forgot four out of respect for my boyfriend that is between me and him fair enough

Brian Atlasoh Damian you know we have to do the age thing the in the Discord the age thing really quick yeah um it's just you guys forget your body counts you won't share your body counts you know probably

Brian Atlasmatters really quick before he pulls that up though multiply by three and that's the real number it's over 9,000 over

Brian Atlas9,000 absolutely not okay all right pull up the Discord for the age thingy mobber nice all right so you know going back to the conversation about well you

Brian Atlasknow you guys are going to look better and okay so we we aged you guys all forward um and you somehow [ __ ] up her

Brian Atlastattoo all the tattoos Chang the [ __ ] all right

Brian Atlasnext huh oh my God I mean actually you don't look you sound like the why did you give her a bunch of [ __ ] armpit fat though what the [ __ ]

Brian Atlasbro you [ __ ] damn bro that's the that's that's the thing you should be most upset about they made you skinny everywhere else but your arm I have like three different aged photos at this she got lipo on everywhere besides her arm

Brian Atlascan they put all of your photos up at the same time the OIC worked everywhere but the armpits all right next and they got R change dibs you look good dibs the same

Brian Atlasmil hold on oh hold on I took some mil nice okay

Background/Crew 3next um I'm dreading this she kind of got hotter same right I'm okay [ __ ] maybe I was wrong the droy

Brian Atlaslip is yeah all right next scared I'm scared girl look at you go good times okay next hey it also [ __ ] up Kiki back

Brian Atlasthere okay all right I feel like too you look better too next I look like my mom you look the same

Brian Atlasyeah that's what I felt like when I saw m I looked like my wow okay you're making damn why you give her

Brian Atlasa [ __ ] a [ __ ] lazy eye too along with it that's crazy dog come on uh next there's not me there's not like the oh

Brian Atlasokay all right all right there you go all right uh okay and uh what what was the other thing we had to do uh the the

Brian Atlasbody count we hit that uh oh it's okay ask a woman her body count on the first date a lot of you objected um Katie objected you objected

Katie Valentineuh you guys can talk about I just think the first date's like a little like aggressive I just feel like yeah you can ask I think maybe especially if you decide you're going to see each other

Katie Valentineagain then sure like after a few dates but I think asking on the first date is just I don't know I think when you yeah when when you get to the point like why

Katie Valentineyou consider should we be in a relationship that's where it matters yeah to some yeah first date just comes across like I don't even know the right

Kylaword for that but I think it's perfectly fine because if the guy doesn't you know approve of your body count doesn't want that then he doesn't have to go on a

Jasminesecond date I feel like that saves the man time uh and it might also save like the girl time because then if you see where his standards are and you might want to mess

Jasminewith somebody that's like doesn't care about your body count it might save you time of messing with him so you both save you know a guy is very much entitled to have standards just as much

Kylaof as women are nowadays yeah but can I ask like do you have a micro dick then on the first date what does that have to

Emily (Inula)do but like if if guys have to know so they don't waste each other's time then if dick I would love honestly I would

Brian Atlaslove it if a girl ask me that I can ask you that do you have yeah then I could just say yes and we can move on I mean I would yeah I would like it I would be

Katie Valentinelike I would be like uh yeah it'd be perfect it'd be a good question to ask I don't know you think it'd be like you'd sit across from a table at dinner

Katie Valentinewith someone and she just like so do you have like a tiny ass dick or cuz I need to know before I even like engage with you further well by H this is this is actually kind of interesting and

Brian Atlascompelling by virtue of her asking this question she's she's just disqualified herself uh because it it would appear to me that this is something she's like

Brian Atlasreally super super important to her um on this basis I don't know if this equally applies to body count because I think caring about penis sizes like orders of

Brian Atlasmagnitude more superficial and shallow than a woman's body count um I suppose the woman can make the same argument though is like well if a guy were to ask me the body count question regardless of

Brian Atlasmy own body count I would find it kind of like socially [ __ ] or like Autistic or [ __ ] I don't know like rude to ask I trying to so that is an interesting kind of

Amandacounter I do think it's different but hm I'll have to think about that one a little more I think both of the conversations should be had if you're considering having sex with that person and that's when the timing is

Amandaappropriate like if you're having conversation oh I don't have premarital sex then it's appropriate to talk about body count if you guys are you know have had premarital sex and are now choosing

Amandanot to which I think is kind of becoming more common um and so I think for context I think the timing of the conversation is pretty important um I was kind of I that's why I asked if I

Amandamarked it cuz I think on the first date it could be seen kind of like abrasive or upfront um but and even like the same question can be said about the dick right like is your dick big or small like I don't

Amandathink that's a first date question like I think you kind of need to feel it out for a little bit and then decide if you're going to like go that direction and then that's when you have the

Amandaconversation hey are we exclusive are we seeing other people what's your body count cuz not down with that you know and then that's when that kind of conversation needs to start I mean

Brian Atlastruthfully though like I think the the penis question or whatever would be good because if like whatever I was rocking with like wasn't sufficient I'd rather just like within the first 5 minutes of

Brian Atlasthe date like oh okay like you're not going to be like satisfied or whatever I just don't even want to date you blah blah blah like I'd rather just get that out of the way and then just she's a size queen like I don't know maybe her

Brian Atlaspussy's loose I don't know I want to get that [ __ ] out of the way fine [ __ ] it I don't have a problem with it I agree with that it's probably over though if she's asking that question cuz most

Cenapeople most girls who ask that question is it like for all like the girls here would you think that if you were to ask a guy that question is it because you want to have sex with them on the first

Brian Atlasdate I don't know but anyways I do have to move it along uh Cena you said it's you disagree that it's uh not wrong for a man to refuse to date a woman because

Brian Atlasshe's overweight huh you circled not wrong for a man to refuse to date a woman because she's overweight is that

Brian Atlasincorrect so me circling okay do you agree or disagree it's not wrong for a man to not want to date a woman because she's

Brian Atlasoverweight um I agree Okay cool so you didn't mean to Circle that all right uh moving on then you

Brian Atlasguys wrote uh I'm going to pair these two together men put in more effort than women when it comes to dating dating is easier for women to which Cena you disagree that dating is easier for women

Brian Atlasyou disagree men put in more effort Isabella you disagree that dating is easier for women uh Amanda you disagree that men put in more effort than women when it comes to

Brian Atlasdating and that's it uh so you guys think that women put in more effort when it comes to dating and that dating is easier for

Isabellamen I think that men put in more effort but it could be uneasy for both parties like relationships going be tough you don't know who you're dating you could be dating a terrible person it's going to be

Brian Atlashard so when I'm talking talking about dating uh certainly can be the case that women can date toxic men men can date toxic women but I'm so more so talking about like those kind of earlier stages of

Cenadating I think men have it harder earlier on and I wrote that I think I retracted my circle I agree men have what the [ __ ] men have a

Amandaharder anybody going to hold to their what they wrote in the questionnaire I think early on in dating that the the input is pretty equal especially in today's dating situations cuz there's

Amandaother things that go into dating for women that don't necessarily apply for a men like what um I mean personal hygiene for women like getting ready for a date takes much longer for a woman than it

Amandadoes for a man and so I think that women typically put more time into the presentation of the Date Presentation of themselves on the date how much what extra amount of time

Amandawould you say an extra hour maybe or what do you to like to prepare for a date yeah I would say a girl spends an extra hour getting ready for a date as compared to men but men has to plan the date and like that's not always the case

Emily (Inula)I dates and prepare the date and pay for the date like work extra hours to pay for the date they say he shouldn't pay for the date though yeah typically I think so historically right I think men

Amandaput in more effort in the courtship process currently I think there is a a closer to even contribution on both part do you think that it's easier for men to

Brian Atlasdate no I think it's definitely harder for men to date than it is for women to date yeah I mean I was just thinking like okay if even if I grant that women put in all this extra time to get ready

Brian Atlasthey put on their makeup or whatever and it takes an extra hour uh there is an expectation on men to pay for First Dates uh if the guy takes you out to

Brian Atlasdinner you know sometimes it could be affordable place uh but I don't I don't think it's beyond I don't think it's crazy that a guy would pay like $100 for

Brian Atlasa a dinner date in like a metropolitan city um if he's making $20 an hour for example uh he's working five hours to

Amandatake you on the date so I probably worked five hours to pay for everything to get ready for the date

Amandano you didn't I mean make more than $100 for that date oh my God I'm sorry hair exens guess he means

Brian Atlaslike generally speaking the makeup oh this is so dishonest okay so you're saying I spent $40 total on this

Brian AtlasFoundation bottle and you are you AR essentially your argument would have to be I use the entire Foundation bottle on this date or

Brian Atlasdoes that found Foundation bottle last you like dozens or even over a hundred individual uses so you it's so dishonest because

Brian Atlasit's like you would have to determine okay how many uses individual uses do I get out of this one bottle of product and then you'd have to divide the total

Brian Atlascost of the product by how many uses so if the bottle costs you 100 and you get 100 uses out of the bottle

Amandathat's $1 not a the cost for the date is not $100 a woman doesn't just use one makeup product before she goes on a date so I

Amandastill think it's an equal contribution on both parts but I don't think it's compar we've literally done the math on this here can you there's there's like a Tik Tok about like I'm going to see if I can find it Tik Tock math makeup

Andrew Wilsondate $40 wait did I hear this right how much are you saying they're spending on a single date for makeup makeup was just the example of

Amandaone of the products I'm using that they are purchasing to participate in that date there are lots of things that go into the care of women for themselves nails hair makeup tanning all of those things factor into okay well then men

Andrew Wilsonare buying clothes gasoline basically anything which is tangential their car repairs the fact that they got a car the the fact they make car payments all of that was in preparation for this date

Andrew Wilsontoo then and then that equalizes again with the woman that's coming to the date as it how does that okay so but so if things if things are equalized coming into the uh the date then why is he paying for the date I don't I I don't

Brian Atlasthink did I Circle that I don't think men should pay 100% all the time I think that's circum the argument was we were talking about is dating

Brian Atlaseasier for uh men or women um men if you disagree if men put in more effort than women when it comes to dating and you said well you know when you go on the date like women have to prepare more and

Brian AtlasI was like well men if they have to pay for the date they have to work x amount of hours to be able to pay for the

Brian Atlasdate I have to work a certain amount of hours to be able to attend the date as well so if I give a woman a makeup pass

Brian Atlasis somebody prefers Natural Women and prefers minimal minimal or no makeup then I mean this like we don't hold on wait one sec do women wear makeup for

Brian Atlasthemselves for other women or for men because you guys pick and choose in which situation so on the first date you guys dress nice and wear

Brian Atlasmakeup and do all this cosmetic [ __ ] for the man airG go thus the men the man should pay but if we say oh you guys wear makeup for men you say no no no no

Brian Atlasno we would do it for ourselves and for other women so which is it is it Schrodinger's Schrodinger's makeup

Cenapaint honestly makeup is for men if and like if you're being honest if I'm if we're being honest makeup is for the men like you don't we all come to this

Cenapodcast because we want to look pretty yeah we can say we put on makeup to look pretty for ourselves and to look pretty on the camera but who are watch like

Cenawho's watching us on the podcast mainly men right mhm and we want to portray oursel in a certain way in front of those people well hold on I'm not talking about the P well I'm talking

Brian AtlasGeneral yeah but like I I acknowledge like when women are engaged in like theatrical or film scenario like if you're on camera like it's kind of like yeah

Brian Atlasyou're going to wear makeup but in general I'm not faulting you guys for wearing makeup on the podcast like we wear makeup for men like in general I agree you have something I was just going to say I feel like that's kind of

Katie Valentineirrelevant because the question is like is dating harder for men or women for men they have to do the approaching they generally have to court you they have to take you somewhere whether or not you guys split the bill or whatever it's

Katie Valentinegenerally like you expect the man to take you and treat you and that's regardless of if you put makeup on your face like yes generally I will agree especially depending on the type of woman you are you want to look your best when you go on a date whether you put

Katie Valentinethe makeup on for yourself you want to feel your best and look your best yeah so but I think dating in general is harder for men they are the pursuer they have to do the chase women are not going

Katie Valentineto just come up to you and say like hey you come can you take me on a date like that so it's in my opinion like the getting ready process yes for someone like me who does get their nails done

Katie Valentineand hair done and all this [ __ ] yes it's expensive it is a lot of work but dating no men have to work harder yeah and I I to your point um even if like the the

Brian Atlasmath equaled out like in terms of what the woman spent what the Man spent if he pays for the first dat or even if you go 50/50 like all those other

Brian Atlasdimensions the man like typically look I get there's some women that shoot their shot it's exceedingly rare it does happen but like overwhelmingly most men's experience

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to dating they're going to be approaching first and not only are they approaching you before they get the yes from you they got no from 10 20 100 other women because most men like

Brian Atlasthey're not shooting one for one like most men they have to like work and what's the hardest part for they got to deal with rejection women don't really you don't really get rejected like that

Brian Atlaslike you don't like if like at if you're at a bar or a club and the dude's just like rapid fire approaching chicks boom rejection rejection rejection reject like he's got to approach 10 girls

Brian Atlasbefore he's lucky to even like get with one but so it's like approaching sending the first message soliciting the first date get asking for the number set setting up the date paying for the date

Brian Atlasall that all that [ __ ] moving things forward there's like dozens of different steps that men have to take that women don't really even have to think about ever like let me ask you guys a question

Brian Atlasof all the first kisses that you guys ever had did you go for the first kiss or did the guy the guy I

Brian Atlasdid okay you're weird I did both times okay cool bro if you [ __ ] I'm just say you asked the question I'm answering know you got you you got the red hair

Brian Atlasright I get it okay all right what about you for sure the guy for sure the guy the guy the guy I made the first move with my husband what about all the other men that you forgot about I would say

Brian Atlasit's probably 5050 okay all right K uh Riley the guy Kyla the guy all right uh so the whole rejection thing uh let's see here one time a guy said E

Isabella/TTSwhen I tried to kiss him he did like that you nice yeah nice there own, 1469 donated

Isabella/TTS$99 guys don't care how you look with makeup on rather prefer you wear a simple mascara that pops your eyes bright hey remind me we're going to do the makeup wipes before the end of the

Kylashow here so uh shame thank you MVP appreciate the uh TTS also can I add something to that last topic uh guys also it depends on the girl and the

Kylagirl's dad but like for my dad you have to also work to get the dad's approval cuz my dad's very protective over me um as I think all dads with daughters

Kylashould be but that's another step that can be really tough sometimes for guys to have to take mhm sure a couple of you disagreed with

Brian Atlasadult age Gap relationships uh that was uh I think that was you three here you guys disagree with adult age Gap

Brian Atlasrelationship so like a a 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old uh why I circled it yeah pretty sure

Isabellamaybe above 30 you did I think above 30 I feel like it could be exploitive um when you're just turning 18 you're not you're not mature you really aren't and

Isabellayou do irrational things when you're younger you're more rational so I don't I don't know if you're going to be rational going into a super super old relationship when you're

Brian Atlas18 so it's exploitative is that the word irrational on the woman's part yes I mean aren't women just irrational

Andrew Wilsonat 18 to begin with can we can we just start with this what you go ahead what do you think what do you think irrational

Isabellameans just not not not a smart like thoughtful process like when you make decision it's not thought out fully you're making a decision without

Andrew Wilsonthink it means you think it means dumb uh somewhat not thought out clear well let's um just you know I'm not going to hold it against you right you don't

Andrew Wilsonexactly have a Google machine in front of you but just to give you the definition it be not logical or reasonable right um I don't I don't I don't really think that they're not

Andrew Wilsonlogical or reasonable right what's unreasonable about them they can clearly make reasonable decisions if they can vote uh well I don't know about that

Andrew Wilsonthere's I don't think they can I I don't think well then why do we let them vote I don't think they should well when should they

Andrew Wilsonvote 21 25 okay so then at 21 years old well whatever the age Gap is then that would be okay it' be better yeah but not it'd be

Andrew Wilsonbetter yeah yeah but that's not I'm not asking if it would be better uh I'm not asking for the word better right like every year we detract would be better right or every year uh

Andrew Wilsonthat wasn't there would be better by this metric would it be okay then yes yes yeah so what do you think

Andrew Wilsonmagically makes an irrational person rational ining like your brain your brain fully develops 23 21 23 26 26 you're talking about the prefrontal

Andrew Wilsoncortex right it's 26 sure but even that's a bad argument because one everybody's prefrontal cortex develops differently and it starts to degrade after 26 so thing is is like if it

Andrew Wilsonstarts to degrade after 26 then by the time they're 40 it seems like this 26y old woman is taking advantage of them since since they have a degraded prefrontal cortex

Andrew Wilsonright yeah I can see that I don't I've I've actually never heard and I've you know I want I want to hear one right but I've actually never heard a compelling

Andrew Wilsonargument ever a moral argument for why it would actually be immoral for an adult who's 18 years old to date a a person in whatever age bracket they they

Isabellawanted to I've never actually heard uh any moral argument for that at all ever at least not one that was compelling 18 being the legal age is

Andrew Wilsonlike constructed though so like if it wasn't a thing 18 being the legal age would it just be okay in general I don't know I feel like that's we then what whatever you would default to is whatever legal age you just exited adulthood started at you would still

Andrew Wilsonhave to give them the responsibilities of adulthood so if that was the case I still don't understand what the moral argument would be so like if you put the age of adulthood at 22 or 20 or 17 or

Andrew Wilsonwhatever it was uh they would they would still have all the responsibilities of adulthood so why couldn't they then choose their preference in relationship I don't actually understand

Andrew Wilsonit right like I don't get it I don't I don't know what the moral like what the what the moral argument there is at all you know what I mean

Andrew Wilsonit's like if you have the responsibility you can vote you can be drafted right all uh or you can join the military you can sign a contract you can sign a lease you can sign a morgage you can do all these different

Andrew Wilsonthings then I don't understand why you can't choose who you want to date like I think it's more exploitive to let an 18-year-old girl sign a cell phone contract if they're so like if they're

Andrew Wilsontoo rational to date a 30-year-old because that's exploitative then basically them doing business with any company that requires a contract would be that company exploiting them

Andrew Wilsonright like wouldn't you then have to say that o was exploiting girls it is I think it is yeah I think if you can CH your gender

Brian Atlas25 I think if you can choose your gender nowadays you can be able to date whatever age after you're 18 she says uh um okay uh well I'm trying to move

Brian Atlasthrough these quick so we won't linger too long on any given one um but uh let's see here um won't linger

Brian Atlaslong on this one either but a lot of you disagreed that most men prefer Natural Women so minimal no makeup no filler no plastic surgery some of you disagree you guys think that men

Brian Atlasprefer uh I guess uh women who wear a lot of makeup uh or who have plastic surgery yes you you think so also Cena yeah you do

Brian Atlasokay uh Katie you also disagree you also disagree there

Brian Atlasuh so just is that your guys's position you think men prefer don't like men prefer women who

Cenaare well put together so fake tits not fake tits but like in our society if you were to have someone with like a boob

Cenajob a BBL versus someone who's like flat most boys or men wouldn't they pick that over someone who is like disagree disagree

Brian Atlasdisagree preference though so yeah so here here's the thing right so are men attracted to big boobs yes are men

Brian Atlasattracted to a nicely shaped fat ass yes however it's not all of them

Brian AtlasBrian yeah well certainly yeah not me um so but I do think that if a

Brian Atlasman had to choose between fake a woman with fake boobs and a woman with like the same woman and look maybe I'm wrong on this

Brian Atlasbut a woman with fake boobs and that same woman without fake boobs that same woman with a BBL that same woman without the BBL I think a lot of them prefer the woman without that

Brian Atlas[ __ ] me specifically I'll take a girl with AC cups over perfect perfect fake boobs that are big or whatever the [ __ ] I'll take a girl

Brian Atlaswith a little belly fat over the Lipo belly I'll take a girl with a small upper lip over lip filler I'll take a girl

Brian Atlaswith flat ass or whatever I don't know pancakes or whatever over BBL now look am I attracted to large boobs do I like large boobs do I like a fat nice ass sure why not but I also

Brian Atlasfind women attractive if they have an A cup or a small butt in fact I'm part of the small Titty Committee I am an ally I I'm an

Brian Atlasally I I'm part of the small City Community are you saying you prefer that or you just saying you like all of it look I like women with I'm not really a

Brian Atlasboob guy I'm not really a butt guy I'm a labia guy so uh big labia matter # big labia matter uh no look I like small boob boobs I honestly don't care that

Brian Atlasmuch look I I can appreciate a nice you know woman who looks real smart but uh don't really care all that much

Brian Atlasum nice butt sure although if it's like too big honestly it's like well the only reason why I like I'm average or whatever so it's like gets in the way it's like if she see I couldn't date

Brian Atlasyou guys cuz y all want a giant [ __ ] right like I'm average I'm averaging the Bulge right so I can't be like I don't know like don't get me wrong like sometimes like a girl like she

Brian Atlasshe's nice to look at but I'm like some positions would be difficult you know what I mean bro you know like bro come on dude like if she's

Brian Atlas[ __ ] got a giant [ __ ] ass like a that this is why guys like petite women because like they're Built For Speed you know like when it comes to

Amandaactual sex I have a question for you this a little makes it uh you know what so with the labioplasty right like that's oh my oh so if you dagger to the [ __ ] but I'm going to flip it on you I'm going to flip it on you so let's say

Amandayou had a partner that you really loved and she knew that this was your thing and she was just like hey I don't feel like I have big enough labia for you and she's going to go try and like do

Amandasomething about that as a man that loves it as a man that loves it would you be like your baby laia are fine or would you be like how big are we talking here

Brian Atlasyou know like what where would you be well the I I actually saw something that I guess there's this kind of new novel procedure where women are getting maybe injections or something into the there's

Brian Atlasnot like a labia transplant yet but maybe who knows uh there will I don't know what that looks like like for example no offense to any ladies here

Brian Atlaswho have lip filler but like when it comes to your actual not those lips yeah like theps like natural big

Brian Atlaslips like the lip filler it's not the same it ain't the same as natural big lips yeah I agree like it's not it doesn't look the same and then like

Brian Atlaskissing it it ain't the same uh so I don't I don't know what it somebody sent me a a photo of like the lebia in I

Brian AtlasI don't know uh somebody sent me a photo I don't think it would like so what I guess what I'm getting at like the labia

Brian Atlasfiller it wouldn't look the same I think as like some natural

Brian AtlasArby's beef curtain oh my God wizard sleeve oh my God Leia so I would say if I was dating if I was dating a girl with an any I would say don't do that [ __ ] just keep keep it

Brian Atlasbut you'd think about it you you'd have to like really think about it he just did he you just so I'd be out of curiosity curious

Brian Atlasto see what the filler labia looks like excuse me Doc can we get some before and afters please yeah I'd like I'd like that but uh body transformation I would

Brian Atlaslike East lebia and look like I don't know I just think when it comes to the natural thing uh I would you know we were talking about men being

Brian Atlasprotectors I think men need to stand up and like we got to protect because when it comes to protect prot ing women I don't think it's just protecting you from physical threats it's protecting

Brian Atlasyou from the threats of mind like your own thoughts could be but also not just your own thoughts but have those thoughts been

Brian Atlasinfluenced by society and do I need to unprogram deprogram you or do I need to put in new thoughts reboot you that

Brian Atlassounds terrible but I guess what I'm trying to say is like uh like the threat because I mean look the plastic surgery

Brian Atlasindustry is like a the whole the entire cosmetic industry billions trillions of dollar industry and

Brian AtlasSociety consumer consumerism in general has an incentive to keep you feeling dissatisfied with who you are dissatisfied with how you look and this

Brian Atlasisn't just Cosmetics when you're sad when you're not happy with yourself you buy all kinds of other [ __ ] too and Society has a vested interest in making

Brian Atlassure you're a good consumer and that you buy [ __ ] that you don't need people who goes shopping when they're feeling what's that shopping therapy what's it

Brian Atlascalled retail therapy right it has a vested interest in making so it it has a vested interest in making sure you feel shitty about yourself so they can siphon

Brian Atlasas much resources and money from you as they can right and this is absolutely exemplified when it comes to Cosmetics when it comes to makeup and when it comes to plastic surgery you don't look

Brian Atlaslike this you need to look like this to be loved to be accepted to be approved of not just by men but by your peers women say it themselves you need to you

Brian Atlaswear the makeup for other women I actually believe this to some degree you know you guys you're in competition with each other you know and so you wear makeup for other women

Brian Atlasyou wear makeup for men you get the fake titties for probably men and uh I just think it's kind of [ __ ] up that y'all are cutting yourselves apart

Brian Atlasyou're you're spending tens of thousands of dollars you're going under anesthesia which is dangerous women die getting these procedures they either die on the operating table or they die after the

Brian Atlasfact from uh they get a post surgery stroke they have an infection I think it's a Despicable State of

Brian AtlasAffairs that women uh feel compelled to cut themselves open put in plastic because you're dissatisfied with something about you

Cenawell we feel compelled because that's the society standard like that's the standard that most men want and that's like what we see I don't think I don't think most men

Brian Atlaswant women with bbls I don't think most men want women with fake boobs and I would I would tell you as women and any young women who are watching the men

Brian Atlasthat skip over you without the fake boobs the men that skip over you without the BBL good good that type of guy ain't the

Brian Atlastype of dude that I in my view is going to be a good partner he's going to be very shallow he's going to be very

Brian Atlassuperficial I I guys who like oh she doesn't have the BBL she doesn't have fake boobs her boobs are too small I don't think that's the guy you want I agree is that the guy you want no

Brian Atlasyou want a guy who he's only with you because your boobs are big he's only he's not with you because your boobs are too small that's not the guy you want a sex

Jasmineobject not for the person you are he'll treat you like a SE sex object that's what that's what he's looking for he's looking for a sex doll not a partner and this isn't just women's fault look

Brian Atlasthere's men out there that like there are men that like that and look you you might say for example well why are they liking all these girls photos these Instagram models with the the Lipo and

Brian Atlasthe BBL and the plastic surgery and the and all that [ __ ] right yeah there's men out there that do that I think a lot of these women have uh they have elev they've got fake followers and all this

Brian Atlas[ __ ] but um I think men need to start saying coming out and saying n you don't don't do that [ __ ] I think a lot of men like

Kylayou ask them you ask men Point Blank they say yeah I don't like BBL I don't like fake boobs I don't like Li filler well and to think back you know

Kylato our grandparents great grandparents ages you know when they were our age they didn't have that yet you know women were still so beautiful and they were

Kylahappier you know more marriages more you know things were just healthier relationships all that and they didn't have the you know that wasn't a thing

Brian Atlasback then I wonder if it's like this uh it's this sort of like escalation of like for example in a sport if nobody

Brian Atlasdoes steroids everybody's playing on the same field but like once enough women oh there's one makeup there's like one makeup product now there's a hundred different makeup products that you can

Brian Atlaswear now there's all kinds of crazy like skincare and cosmetic [ __ ] you can do and all like these other women are doing it and they're out competing or like uh

Emily (Inula)I don't know it's like it's kind of just I don't know I don't know where I'm going with that but but but I think it's also because of social media We compare ourselves to other girls like constantly

Kylaon Tik Tok on Instagram and everything is edited and then you want more because yeah the I think it's really sad the example that we you know

Kylawe as or you know majority of women nowadays set for younger girls growing up you know we need to be a better example and have respect for ourselves

Kylayou know and teach young girls to grow up and have respect for themselves and teach them that their you know natural beauty is true beauty and that's how God created them and I mean I've spoken with

Brian Atlasa lot of men a lot of men seem to definitely prefer natural you can believe me you cannot I'll just give you my again just my own anecdote then we'll move on to the next thing uh again and

Brian Atlaslook I really quick yeah like do men like big boobs sure do they like a big butt sure but I think they want that natural they want it natural and I think

Brian Atlasa lot of men if you ask them like well would you prefer a girl with fake boobs or an AUP I think a lot of men will say they prefer the a cup if the girl doesn't have the biggest butt versus like a girl with a BBL I think they'd

Cenaprefer the girl if she's just you know not she ain't got a [ __ ] well they would prefer but they would still like photos and like be attracted to that and that's what kind of makes some girls

Cenalike insecure is like well he says he prefers this but at the same time he's like liking those photos he's like looking at well I mean like and

Brian AtlasI mean you're right like but it's hard maybe in this regard I'm a bit of an outlier but like and this is prescriptive advice to men I don't follow girls on Instagram I

Brian Atlasdon't like girls photos on Instagram if I'm in a relationship I don't watch porn like maybe that makes me an outlier I don't know but prescriptively to men I

Brian Atlasthink it's simp [ __ ] to be following a chick on Instagram and like liking her [ __ ] like don't be I don't know it's like it's uh I don't know I don't follow

Isabella/TTSanybody I mean I follow my own Instagram page on Instagram that's anyways we'll move on uh we've got a few more things that W pretty close Inquisitor zeld donated $100 sorry for the delay Brian

Isabella/TTSwhat the hell is with the triple negatives for example disagree it's not wrong to refuse to date these are women their sub B IQ on average how do you

Brian Atlasexpect them to pass these questions yeah some of them it is like some double negatives uh triple negatives that is fair some of these can be rewarded the questionnaire is new but Inquisitor deal

Brian Atlassorry for the delay on the TTS but thank you so much for uh sending one in um do you guys want to shoot a shot back he just said you guys have sub ad0

Isabella/TTSIQ I mean you can't really read the questions clearly so yeah I don't I don't think so I think we tried our best answering

Isabella/TTS$10 damn now I want a French dip thanks Brian what is I don't know what that

Brian Atlasis you were referring to me beef I think I oh the TTS is not 10 yet or is not 10 guys I think I made a oh I see I made a mistake when I changed the TTS setting

Brian Atlaswell wrath you got a little free TTS there you go um okay moving things along here uh couple more then we'll do the row session then we're going to wrap

Brian Atlasuh it sorry guys oh okay Isabella feminism is not about equality you

Brian Atlasdisagree also uh Jasmine you disagreed with the statement yes uh so you think feminism is about

Isabellaequality uh no the I maybe that TTS was right here I think in its route it is but it's it's gone too far there's like third

Brian Atlasgeneration feminism and it's just it's too it's gone too far okay well uh so you still think though that it is about

Brian Atlasequality yes in its roots yes in its roots well let me ask you sure let me so again won't linger too long on this one but would you say like first way

Brian Atlasfeminism was about equality yes okay first W feminism would you say around uh first W feminism would be like right to

Brian Atlasvote yeah that was first W feminism okay so equality right mhm uh why were women fighting for the right to vote without the

Brian Atlascorresponding uh duties that men have when it comes to military conscription they they I think they should be right but so the feminists

Brian Atlaswere demanding equal rights to vote were they demanding not to be drafted as well I think they were yep and well in regardless of what happened uh they

Brian Atlassecured the right to vote yeah without the corresponding responsibility of having to be subject to military conscription for men to be able to vote

Brian Atlasthey had to face the draft face military they were subject to military conscription um do you know what happened a few years before 1920 which

Brian Atlasis when women got the right to vote no Cate explain please what happened you don't know on the topic you don't know what happened a few years

Isabellabefore 1920 with war yeah what happened there's war which one

Brian Atlasone World War II one oh my goodness okay I don't know if you have the you might not have the requisite historical uh okay so right before 1920 you had World

Brian AtlasWar I 1914 1918 uh men in even men in the United States were drafted in this conflict uh

Brian Atlasmen were I mean this was a catastrophic are you familiar with world World War I at all somewhat yeah I mean at the time it was the most catastrophic uh yeah I know that I mean World War II

Brian Atlaswas worse but uh at the time it was the worst uh most most deaths etc etc um so right on the

Brian Atlasheels of mass amounts of male military deaths women were campaigning for equality to secure a right that men had

Brian Atlasfor a very short period of time without the corresponding responsibility of being subject to military conscription even the early forms of feminism were clearly not about equality

Brian Atlasbecause if it was wouldn't they have attempted to secure the right to vote with the corresponding responsibility uh and Duty that men faced in order to secure their own right to vote I think they were fighting to

Isabellagain something not necessarily looking at what you had to do right so women don't have any duties I think they were looking at it in the way that they just wanted to be on right so you wanted privileges with

Brian Atlasbasically without any corresponding I don't know if they thought but okay okay here look I'll make it super simple yeah okay men have the right to vote yeah that right to

Brian Atlasvote comes with and is like attached to a corresponding Duty and responsibility

Brian Atlasyes women want the right to vote get the right to vote no corresponding Duty or responsibility is

Brian Atlasthat equality between men and women no okay so equality you would agree then that equality would de demand that both men and women if they get the right to

Brian Atlasvote they have to be subject to military conscription fair fair proposition yes okay it's 2024 why aren't women cons uh forced to register for the Selective Service they're not going to fight to

Isabellalike put themselves at a disadvantage if men may be asked wanted equality if men wanted that equality then maybe that would probably happen but you would then have to agree that we're on the third wave of feminism yeah so for the first

Brian Atlaswave of feminism the second wave of feminism and the third wave of feminism if feminisms purport to fight for equality why have they not attempted to equalize military

Kylaconscription I don't know well you've got three waves go ahead I think you know for women their you know traditional women's role is to

Andrew Wilsonstay home take very quickly I don't mean to cut you off um I I could I couldn't find the unmute fast enough but I wanted to to picky back off what Brian was saying very quickly sure the original

Andrew Wilsonanti-su Jets those who were against the suffrage movement uh women's right to vote there was a bunch of women most women actually didn't want the right and campaigned very hard against women who

Andrew Wilsonwere campaigning for the right their main argument was that they should not be allowed to vote unless they could be conscripted that was their main argument

Brian Atlasagainst the um the suffrage movement yeah and um so it would occur to me I mean uh you said that they're

Brian Atlasjust just trying to secure benefits right so feminism is not about equality in my view the most charitable definition is feminism is woman's

Brian Atlasadvocacy it's also like a bunch of other like toxic man-hating [ __ ] but like at the best it's women's advocacy which is not equality because and here's why and

Brian Atlasthis doesn't there's other components here too when it comes to the equality argument so if

Brian Atlasso feminists they won't fight for any form of equality which could conceivably

Brian Atlascome to the detriment of women so if women have like a privilege in society feminists will be like o let's keep that we even if it's unfair to men they'll be

Brian Atlaslike no no no we want to keep this because it benefits women right cuz 's advocacy

Brian Atlasbut if we get rid of it or if we bump men up and give men that same benefit right which they they don't do they don't care about men um so they'll say

Brian Atlasno no no we got to keep that because it would it would create equality right like for example let's say men don't have a benefit and women do and if we take away the benefit from women what that would be equal right yeah or

Brian Atlasbringing the benefit to men yes but do you think women are or feminists rather do you think feminists are prepared to say okay let's take away benefits from women so it's equal to men no right and

Brian Atlasso this is why in my position feminism is not about equality it's about women's advocacy advocacy nothing wrong with that but let's not parade feminism as an equality movement and in an ideal world

Isabellait would be for that but you're it's not ideal it's not how it is you should not be a feminist then I'm sorry no it's no look it's okay uh Andrew did sorry did you have more Andrew I I don't know if I

Andrew Wilsoncut you off there no actually I I feel like I cut in a littleit tot totally good yeah just just that's the that's the general idea the general idea was that if they're supposed to be voting

Andrew Wilsonthere're supposed to be Duty which comes with it the original uh women who campaigned against suffrage because most women voted against suffrage most people don't know that but when it was given to them to have the right to vote they

Andrew Wilsonvoted against it that's why it was decided in the courts but their main argument was uh that they wanted to have all the privileges in society with none of the duties and so uh they didn't want

Andrew Wilsonto be used as political pwns by the political system and the political class and that's exactly what ended up happening they've been used as pawns by the political class now and um and

Brian Atlasthere's other examples of this too like not just the draft because a lot of people like to dismiss that whole thing well there hasn't been a draft in a long time blah blah blah although men still have to register with a selective service and if they don't there's all

Brian Atlaskinds of ramifications but like for example feminist organizations will uh uh what's the term feminist organizations will there's

Brian Atlasa specific term but it's evading me will Lobby politicians for example um I think this happened in Florida I believe it was the National Organization for Women

Brian Atlasof women uh they were trying to equalize child custody between men and women in Florida I know the exact details I could be getting one or two things off here but they're trying to say well okay in

Brian Atlasthe event of a custody dispute between uh a mother and a father the custody should default to being just 50/50 equal and if I have my facts correct I

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