DEMON Satanic E-GIRL w/ 300+ Body Count (4 In 1 Day)?! Did WHAT In A GRAVEYARD?! | Dating Talk #216

Date: 2024-11-27

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEmily (Inula)>

IIsabella (UCSB)>

KKatie Valentine >

AAmanda (Veterans)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Emily (Inula)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Isabella/TTS(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kyla(guest)

SPEAKER_12Katie Valentine(guest)

SPEAKER_13Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_14Jasmine(guest)

Key Moments

IntroEmily (Inula) introduces herself as 23yo Danish/Hungarian OnlyFans creator; reveals satanic tattoo

“I'm Inula but you can call me Emily, I'm 23 and I'm partly living in Hungary and Denmark”

IntroCena introduces herself - 18yo Canadian, OnlyFans + engineering student (returning guest)

“hi my name is Cena I'm 18 my occupation is OF and I live in Canada”

RelationshipKatie Valentine reveals on-again off-again complicated relationship (~5-6 years, 4 years cohabiting); previously had 7.5 year relationship

“currently I'm kind of in an on again off again relationship... we were together for four years and we lived together and then we had a breakup”

IntroJasmine introduces herself - 27yo pharmacy tech from LA, engaged 4 years

“my name is Jasmine I am 27 years old from LA I work part-time managing a smoke shop”

RelationshipJasmine reveals she is currently engaged, 4-year relationship, her longest

“at the moment I am currently engaged uh we have been together for going on 4 years”

Key MomentEmily reveals her boyfriend drove her to hook up with another man and waited outside while she had sex - then kissed her when she returned

“he would drive you to one guy but you went to that guy multiple times... when you got back in the car would he go in for a kiss immediately... he went in for the kiss yeah”

QuoteBrian PSA: Men should never date a woman who is sexually involved with another man - it's a baseline standard

“this should be your Baseline standard even if you struggle to get women it should be the you do not sink this low ever ever your Baseline should be if a woman is sexually involved with another man that is 100% a deal breaker”

ControversyAndrew challenges Emily: if she believes in equal rights she is a feminist by definition; lists her liberal positions vs claimed conservatism

“so to get this right: pro women's Choice pro LGBTQ pro women's Liberation where's is there a single conservative principal hidden anywhere”

ControversyAndrew systematically lists Emily's "conservative" contradictions: masturbated on grave, got abortion (preventing boyfriend from being a father), pro-women's liberation, pro-LGBTQ

“so far what we have is that you masturbated on a dude's grave and this was after you were with a guy and you went and had an abortion thus making it so that he would never be a father”

IntroRiley arrives late and introduces herself - 27yo web3 developer, Vegas, just out of a relationship

“my name is Riley I'm 27 years old I'm a web 3 developer and I live in Vegas”

ControversyEmily reveals she masturbated on a dead man's grave for $200 custom OF request; police were called but did nothing

“a guy asked you to do a solo tape on his father's tombstone... I visited the grave paid my respect and then... well I visited the grave”

QuoteSelf-ratings round - Cena rates herself 5 (was 8 on Sunday), Brian asks why she lost 3 points in 48 hours

“why did you lose three points in 48 hours... you were here on Sunday... now you're mid a five”

Key MomentBrian: if girlfriend wants to go to bachelorette party in Mexico, relationship is over - different values

“she's just not going... you can go the relationship is over it was nice to meet you we have different values”

Key MomentJasmine reveals she was undocumented since age 3 and was involved with a pimp (served as bottom bitch/assistant)

“I'm not legally from here so my process... I was a ghost in the system at the time... I would just help him around with whatever girls he was working with”

Key MomentJasmine reveals she was married at 22 and divorced, then almost pimped out by a sugar daddy who used her undocumented status

“he was like a literal pimp yes... wanted to make me one of his... I would just help him around with whatever girls he was working with... it was it was basically you could call it that”

QuoteAndrew: Brian can't get a plastic straw in CA due to stigma against plastic, but can freely access all OF content online

“Brian lives in a state currently where he can't get a plastic drinking straw because of the stigma against plastic... but right now he can go on that laptop and pull up all of your naked pictures”

Key MomentEmily reveals body count of 302 - 100+ this year alone due to OF customs; had 68 partners before age 20

“body count 302... this year's the year I've been with the most people is it because of OF... 200 plus this year”

QuoteAndrew formally challenges Michael Knowles to a 1v1 debate on the Whatever Podcast about the manosphere

“I'd like to challenge Michael Knowles to a debate on the whatever podcast uh just 1 V one he's been on before so have I we know Brian Atlas will be a fair moderator”

TopicAndrew Wilson wraps up and leaves the show after ~7 hours

“Andrew thank you for coming... thank you for joining us”

Key MomentIsabella walks through the logic that a man dating a trans woman is homosexual (Brian leads her through it until she concedes)

“a transgender woman is male... through sex yeah... so trans a transgender woman is male you agree with this... man dating a transgender woman is homosexual”

Key MomentMakeup removal challenge - all female guests wipe off makeup; chat reacts to who looks better without makeup

“okay who's going to do it Cena you going to do it... boom boom... I need a lot of makeup”

Key MomentCena eats entire Snickers bar in one bite as a challenge

“okay guys this is she... you have to one bite... yeah I made it”

Topics Discussed

Show Intro & Guest Introductions

Brian opens the show, explains delayed start due to rain. Guests introduce themselves in order: Emily (Danish OF creator, 23), Cena (18, Canadian, returning guest), Isabella (18, UCSB), Katie Valentine (34, Las Vegas, paralegal/escort), Amanda (34, Sacramento, veterans mental health), Kyla (27, Arizona, modeling). Jasmine arrives later and introduces herself. Riley arrives even later.

Emily's Open Relationship & Graveyard Story

Brian reads Emily's pre-show notes. Discussion of her open relationship at 16-18 where boyfriend drove her to hookups. The boyfriend was a cuck who kissed her when she returned. Brian gives PSA about men not accepting this. Emily also reveals she masturbated on a dead man's grave for a $200 OF custom during Halloween - the requester's father's grave. Police were called after her TikTok but did nothing. Andrew notes Danish law on grave desecration.

Emily's Abortion & Conservative vs Liberal Contradictions

Andrew challenges Emily's claim to be conservative while holding pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pansexual, sex-work-positive views. Emily had an abortion on her birthday (boyfriend had testicular cancer and wanted to keep baby; she went back to him after). Andrew catalogues her contradictions.

Riley Arrives Late - Age Gap Relationship Discussion

Riley introduces herself as a web3 developer who just arrived. She was in a 30-year age gap relationship with a 57yo man she met while serving at a casino. They waited 3 months to have sex (long distance). Discussion of age gap dynamics.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Cena rates herself 5 (was 8 on Sunday - says makeup is off today). Emily: 5. Isabella: 5. Katie: 7-7.5 without everything, 8-8.5 with; said she was 9-10 at peak (28-29). Jasmine: 5.5. Amanda: 7. Kyla: 7. Andrew: 4. Brian: 4. Discussion of when women peak physically.

Do Women Peak in their 20s? Aging & Looks Discussion

Extended debate on whether women peak physically in their 20s. Brian argues women will not be better looking at 40 vs 25 all else equal. Amanda and Jasmine claim they'll be better looking later. Andrew argues cosmetic enhancements are designed to maintain youthful appearance. Discussion of confidence vs actual physical beauty, BBL, breast implants, push-up bras. Most women cope about aging.

Makeup: Deceptive or Enhancing?

Katie disagrees makeup is always deceptive - thinks it can just enhance natural features. Brian argues makeup is deceptive because attraction happens before conscious assessment. 50/50 split on panel. Discussion of fake lashes, contouring vs natural. At end of show they do makeup removal challenge.

Sex Work, Dating & Traditional Roles

Brian's position: women in sex work don't deserve traditional gentleman treatment (paying for dates, being providers). Not saying they can't find men who do it, just that they don't deserve it. Panel debates: women claim they still want traditional treatment despite non-traditional work. Andrew argues sex work/porn rewires men's brains, causes harm similar to addiction. Emily argues men buy it so it can't be wrong. Andrew uses body disposal analogy.

Penis Size Discussion

Does size matter? Yes/no split. Jasmine says average girth is fine (5.5" or even 4" if average girth). Katie admits she'd still have sex even if size was disappointing but no second date. Amanda wants girth proportionate to length (minimum 6in). Measurement tape comes out. Discussion of "pity sex."

Women Caring About Looks More Than Men

Brian argues women care more about looks than men based on specific things: height (out of control), hair (balding), and penis size (physical not visual). Kyla gives compelling argument: women swipe on only 10% of men on dating apps while men swipe on nearly everyone. Discussion of whether men are superficial vs strategic swipers.

Going Out to Bars/Clubs in Relationships

Extended debate on whether women in relationships should go out to bars/clubs. Brian: women going out is a bigger liability than men because women will be approached/pursued. Amanda: husband doesn't want her traveling internationally without him - discusses compromise. Katie: trusts partner but brings up bachelorette party example (Mexico). Andrew makes emotional appeal about irrational fears. Brian: would end relationship if girlfriend went to bachelorette party. Discussion of symmetry in relationship rules.

Delusional Dating Calculator

Brian runs the Slate Delusional Dating Calculator for Katie (200k income, 6ft+, no obese, any race, 28-50): 0.96%. With married included ~similar. Riley (150k, 5'5"+, 27-57, no obese): 1%. Cena (no income req, 4'11"+ height, 18-30, no obese excluded): 0.062%. Andrew explains how dropping a few standards would skyrocket the percentages.

Marriage: Bad Deal for Men?

Brian argues marriage is a bad deal for men. Guests try to make case for marriage: tradition, loyalty, security, protection. Brian rebuts each point - can get all benefits without marriage contract. Discusses divorce statistics skewed toward women. Prenups can't fully protect. Andrew notes Danish divorce stats same as US. Brian's hypothetical about hand amputation to get married (Christian ethics debate with Andrew). Riley says sign prenup and give her security. Katie: agrees marriage is bad financially for both.

Body Count Round

Body counts revealed around the table. Emily: 302 (shocking, 100+ this year alone due to OF customs; 68 by age 20; 4 in one day max; had 6-some once). Cena: 3. Isabella: 2. Katie: refused to share (over/under 1000 professionally also refused). Amanda: forgot/unknown (been with husband 12 years). Kyla: 7. Jasmine: declined (said it's between her and her fiancé). Riley: declined.

Aging Photos (AI Age Progression)

Damian pulls up AI age progression photos of all the women. Mixed reactions - some look the same, some age well in the AI, some get "armpit fat" added. Kyla sees herself looking like her mom. Brief but fun segment.

Feminism: Equality or Women's Advocacy?

Brian argues first-wave feminism wasn't about equality because women got the vote without military conscription. Andrew notes most women voted against suffrage originally. Brian: feminism fights for women's benefits only, never takes away privileges. Riley and Isabella disagreed on questionnaire (thought it was about equality). Brian walks through logic showing even first-wave feminism was selective.

Women Oppressed? Slut-Shaming Debate

Amanda says women are oppressed (slut-shaming double standard). Andrew and Brian challenge: how is a preference (not wanting to date high-body-count women) oppressive? Brian: social shaming is the only tool to reduce hookup culture. Amanda: hookup culture can have positive aspects (sexual self-knowledge). Andrew: society has campaigns against smoking/drinking but none against porn/OF.

Andrew Wilson Departure & Michael Knowles Challenge

Andrew says goodbye and issues formal challenge to Michael Knowles (conservative commentator) to debate on Whatever Podcast. Clarifies the Nala clip controversy - some other account (not Whatever) added misleading headline. Andrew notes the episode had the most selectively edited clips of any Whatever episode.

Is Dating a Man Transgender Gay? Logic Exercise

Isabella disagreed on questionnaire that "it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman." Brian walks her through: can't change sex, only gender. Trans woman is biologically male. Homosexual = same-sex. Therefore man + trans woman = homosexual. Isabella eventually concedes. Discussion of post-op trans scenarios.

Roast Session / TTS Reading

$20 TTS roast session. Highlights: LOL paladins multiple donations roasting various guests. Danny Simmon rates panel "solid four." Roasts of Emily (Viking pillaging for a fee), Jasmine (pimp story). Brian reads Brian's mom TTS. Cena eats a Snickers bar in one bite. Makeup removal challenge - guests wipe makeup off to reveal natural faces. Comments on who looks better without makeup.

Show Outro & Twitch Raid

Brian wraps up. Jasmine thanks Brian for having her. Brian tries to raid streamer "Mitch" who was going for world first hardcore run in WoW Classic but got disconnected. Brian sends kind message. Final TTS messages read. Brian eats burrito on stream after champagne pop donation. Outro with raid to Mitch.

Transcript

Page 3 of 9

Brian Atlasgirl you had to go out and get her you had to approach now dudes can hop on Instagram they can hop on a a myriad of dating

Brian Atlasapps I find it let me she's just more attractive now I mean it could be Geographic too hold on I'll let you give the clarity

Brian Atlasbut one sec it could be Geographic in so far like maybe now you live in Vegas and before you lived in a thousand person Town that's the only scenario like your

Brian Atlasgeography changed otherwise there's no way girls are getting approached more now than they were pre-dating apps preal

Amandamedia but go ahead go ahead explain it I think that maybe the misconception here is that like you think I'm getting like the DM contacts and I don't really have that engagement cuz I'm talking in person I'm talking in person yeah so in

Amandaperson I feel like I'm certainly approached more in person when I'm out now compared to you at compared to me at 18 s at like 18 to

Brian Atlas22 yes okay well look I don't know your experience I'll go ahead and Grant it it's a confidence now perhaps I shouldn't have even engaged in this I would just say that's not necessarily

Brian Atlaslike just because you get approached more isn't even necessarily evidence that you're more like that that means you're more attractive because we've all heard

Brian Atlasstories for example of like if there's girls at the club like it's actually the average to cute looking girls that are going to get a bit more attention than like the smoke show 10 out of 10 stunner

Brian Atlasbecause a lot of dudes are going to see that really like really attractive girl and be like they're just going to disqualify themselves they're not going to step they're like I can't get her

Brian Atlasshe's too hot oh here's this average chick let me shoot my shot not saying that's you but I'm I'm saying I mean I did rate myself a seven

Brian Atlasso that's a pretty average but what I what I am saying is I don't think the fact it seems dubious but I'll just okay fine whatever you get approached more

Brian Atlasnow post me to post dating apps post social media um I just I don't know man I I think uh I

Brian Atlasthink there is a something to be said for just because you get approach more doesn't necessarily mean that makes you more attractive so um in any case though so your position

Brian Atlasis uh all things being equal more attractive at 40 than 20 yes and then for you and then for you

Jasminemore attractive at 40 than 20 into the mic yes I W to I want to say it's a

Jasmine5050 um right now I would say that I'm I'm I feel like I'm at my Peak MH like considering my from where I was at my

Jasmineteens and stuff um but yeah like I said considering that the fact that I feel personally in my teens I wasn't as

Jasmineapproachable as attractive um and now in my 20s I feel more attractive myself personally I feel more confident in myself to say like oh yeah I think I am

Jasminepretty and not feel weird about it maybe like once I hit my 40s then I'll be like oh okay cool I am you know maybe not to everybody but but like I said who knows I might have kids so yeah so you I mean

Jasmineyou mentioned confidence you mentioned how you feel uh what does this have to do with how you actually look yeah that's why I said like I might have kids and stuff so it's everybody else's eyes that my nope

Brian Atlasnot what I'm talking about how does how you feel or your confidence or your security or I suppose lack thereof have anything to do with how you actually look if people swipe you on

JasmineTinder they don't see what you're feeling they see your looks you're right yeah no you're absolutely right so let me take my

JasmineInstagram for me let me take out my how I'm viewing myself and my feelings out of it so I guess right now

Brian Atlasrealistically yeah right now my 20s that would be my my most attractive uh scroll to the very bottom on my Instagram all right I've gained weight let's scroll

Brian Atlasdown hide the TTS thing scroll down so glad this up uh click on the the one where I'm

Brian Atlaslike zipping up my wet suit click it okay scroll down uh X out that scroll up a little bit what about

Brian Atlasoh yeah the little tank top one there you go oh okay so I was like I was like 10 I don't know I was fit I was fit

Amandachapstick chapstick looking for my Chapstick traffic traffic looking for my Chapstick where did that just no one seen that movie pop culture reference me

Amandait's uh Miami Vice I think is the movie It's Malibu's most wanted but where did it come from is why did these we in the the doag the [ __ ]

Brian AtlasTupac speeder you kind of look like uh so anyways um I was uh I would say back then even

Brian Atlasthough I think retrospectively I was in insane shape I had a little bit of love handle a little

Brian Atlasbit of love handle I had like visible six-pack and I felt I felt insecure about my body I was like

Brian Atlasman I got to lose that little 1% body fat and I could be a bit more muscular here and there

Brian Atlasre regardless of how I Fe felt objectively I was in better physical shape and I looked better when I was young so Tech even though I'm a l I'm

Brian Atlas[ __ ] lardy as [ __ ] now and I I actually don't give a [ __ ] anymore uh I in some ways I was more insecure

Brian Atlasinsecure and less confident when it came to looks then now I just don't [ __ ] care that doesn't change the fact has anything to do with

Brian Atlashow I actually look and objectively I was better looking then yes measured by my body fat percentage and my how muscular I was and

Cenamy fitness Etc so you guys are just coping no all cope how you feel is irrelevant that could just be like you bloomed earlier cuz some people Bloom

Katie Valentinelater right and also I would and I would argue that I you had a girl on a different episode and you brought this same like topic up and you showed your photos and she was like oh you were so

Katie Valentinehot when you were young blah blah blah um but I would argue the opposite I find you far less attractive in those photos like truly yeah women are different though that so the the difference here

Brian Atlasis is that women typically prefer to date men uh like around their age range I'm like in my better to me uh I mean I would agree with that

Brian Atlaspersonally women don't want a skin diet for a while yeah I know it's crazy man it's crazy uh anyways I were you saying something Cena or no oh I thought you said something I was going to respond to

Cenayou I do have a question though yeah what's up what's stopping you from looking like that now uh um because theor willpower well

Cenatheoretically like men are tend to stay better looking than women as they get older like you see models men models who are like what 80 90 years old compared

Cenato a woman who model and their Prime is what 2030 mhm so what's like what's stopping men from looking better as they get

Emily (Inula)older what do you mean I think men become more attractive when they get older like The Silver Fox thing and women become

Kylalike not better looking I think it has to do with like women's hormones too like you know we all have hormones and our body changes

Brian Atlasas we get older too and feel like it doesn't affect guys as much yeah burritos burritos is what's stopping me from uh looking like that I guess but I mean

Brian Atlasit's just comes down to Fitness you know and uh anyways uh let's see here we're going to just move it on um I still I'm still trying to think what the equivalent cope

Brian Atlasis in men like if men were just like yeah you know women prefer like below average penis size women prefer like it would be like a guy cuz the thing is

Brian Atlasthough I like when it comes to this [ __ ] I feel like short men aren't coping about they're not like they're not like uh oh pull up can you go into the Discord

Brian AtlasDaman and find the meme of uh [ __ ] what it's in the meme folder it's like the yes I'm right ones it's probably at the I'll try to

Brian Atlasfind it but do you have it pulled up it's resources I think it's in the

Brian Atlasmemes no it's not in the memes it's in the media folder it's the second to last one you are all wrong yes you are all

Brian Atlaswrong can you pull that up oh yeah I kind of think make uh yes you are all wrong and then what's the next

Brian Atlasone yes you all are wrong it'd be like most short guys they're not like in denial about this detriment they're like they acknowledge like yeah most women

Brian Atlaslike taller guys they're not in denial they're like they're not like no

Brian Atlasmost like women really prefer 55 manlets over six foot plus like they're they're like n most women prefer the

Emily (Inula)sixf foot guy but some women can also be like yeah I know we get old and ugly you know and some sure women have a different opinion

Brian Atlasyeah but most of the like we've asked this question to like probably over like well over 100 women and like the amount of like oh yeah I'm going to be be looking in 10 20 30 years it's like no

Brian Atlasoffense ladies you're not but how would you know biology yeah biology what they've they've pulled

Brian Atlasmen they've pulled men like in terms of what they find most attractive and like you on an individual level can't really dictate what because attraction is

Brian Atlassomething external like what are you attracted to like you I guess you could be attracted to yourself I don't know what that's called Auto something or something like

Brian Atlassome sort of sexual Kink where you're like you want to [ __ ] yourself or whatever but it's like attraction is external so people external to you

Brian Atlasdetermine what's attractive I agree with that and so for this reason uh when it and when it comes to female Beauty males are typically the

Brian Atlaspurveyors of this and if the vast majority of men

Brian Atlasprefer women at 25 versus 35 or 25 verus 45 that's what is most attractive I feel like a good comparison

Kylaand correct me if I'm wrong cuz you're man but I feel like like maybe like guys taking steroids to make themselves look you know stronger maybe that's a

Kylacomparison so are you saying like the like in comparison to like a girl getting a boob job to make them make their to keep his youthful appearance he's doing

Kylasteroids wait so what is the like something a guy could do yeah like women natural oh guy well look guys

Brian Atlasdo all kinds of things I mean they get they take drugs for their hair they get hair transplants they you know the men are not immune to feeling deep insecurity about their physical

Brian Atlasappearance that's not my argument my argument here is uh the cope when it comes to women saying oh yeah I'm going to be better looking at 45 than at 25 it's like I'm not saying women just to

Brian Atlasbe clear I'm not saying women can't be attractive at 35 45 that's not what I'm saying I'm saying you compare a 25-year-old woman and then age her 20

Cenayears she's not going to be better looking but what we're trying to get is like some might be and some I don't care

Brian Atlasabout some I don't care about some and actually you if all else is equal all else is

Brian Atlasequal like I'll Grant to you for example that a woman who is morbidly obese at 25 and then she falls into all kinds of

Brian Atlasmoney and she at 45 she is like within the top percentile of of Fitness of all women not just women of her age she's in

Brian Atlasthe top uh percentile of fitness and she's gotten I mean she was morbidly obese so she had to get all that [ __ ] uh skin or whatever removed the loose

Brian Atlasskin she she used to be a methhead and now she's not a methhead and she eats super healthy and she's been super healthy for who knows how long maybe like yeah she'll probably be more

Brian Atlasphysically attractive but you compare a healthy yeah 25-year-old to a herself who's still healthy at

Brian Atlas45 you really think she's going to be better looking no so explain to me a scenario where there's any woman who's 25 who looks better TW in 20 years

Cenatime I guess like like women who do cosmetic surgery to make themselves look better well that's another thing I want to like okay natural 20-year-old yeah

Brian Atlashealthy versus healthy 40-year-old who has had every single possible cosmetic surgery and she went

Brian Atlasto the best surgeons who charged the most and they did the best job ever not boted she got every single thing that

Brian Atlascould have improved her appearance do you guys think the woman and look not obese she's just like normal body weight percentage normal healthy whatever

Brian Atlasnormal at 20 best plastic surgeon blast plastic surgery in the world 40 who's more attractive starting with you the 20-year-old or The 40-Year-Old I

Emily (Inula)would say the same same girl yeah I would say the 20-year-old because I think you know your physical your skin I think it's more plump and Youthful when you're young so 20y old

Isabellaokay I would say that honestly it's about equal equal okay all right you're getting plastic surgery to like look more conventionally attractive than probably when you're 40

Kylaokay actually 20 okay y 20 I think the 40-year-old I'd say the 40 y old M

Brian Atlasdefinitely the 20-year-old wait who said 40-year-old was it I did you yeah man you guys are crazy you guys are

Brian Atlascrazy I mean you guys ever you know what this makes me think of this this makes me think of this do you guys even know what men are attracted to do you just not go through life ever considering you

Brian Atlasjust always this is women just think about what they want you never stop to think what men men want and what men find attractive you said do we think we will be more attractive in these amount

Kylaof years not do men think we will be more attractive in these amount of years so we answered based on our personal Fe like but attractive to how we think we're attractive I've talked to a lot of

Kylaguys about this topic and 99% of them say that natural is you know what they prefer right nothing done to them and here here's where you guys are going to

Brian Atlasget really upset The 40-Year-Old Natural Woman beat out the perfect surgery every [ __ ] beats out the fake

Andrew Wilson40-year-old what if you can't tell though what if she doesn't disclose it and you can't tell she's gone surgery what do you mean she's in I I I'm just going to point this out I understand

Andrew Wilsonyour question but uh for the most part this is not always the case but for the most part we can usually tell if somebody's had cosmetic enhancements people's people's body shape

Andrew Wilsonand uh and this type of thing have to have certain proportions in order for them to look symmetrical enough for you to believe that they are legitimate yeah I mean mainly facial not body but yes

Andrew Wilsonyou're right yeah yeah but same with facial even even with face right you can often tell when someone's had a nose job or various things like this what maybe lips I could say lips but that's yeah I

Emily (Inula)don't think you can tell a nose jop if it's done poorly then yeah yeah most of them aren't done well the older the one

Jasminelooks look I uh I don't know it's just um it's just interesting to me how would you feel when it starts like going down like how you said like once you get

Jasmineolder especially cuz you said it was a 40-year-old woman right when it's especially in the face it'll start this is uh plastic surgeons say this themselves it starts like melting down

Jasminein the face that's why they have to keep going back and going back and going back then you hit 50 then you hit 60 then you hit 70 now that 20-year-old is now 30 or

Jasmine40 and she looks great and that 40-year-old that invested all that money into that amazing surgeon is like still looks messed up here let let me ask you guys this do you think if if we were to

Brian Atlasum if we were to pull men because you guys have your own thoughts on this of course uh but if we were to ask men if they would for the 20-year-old who's

Brian Atlasnatural versus if you were to fast forward time uh fast forward her to 40 with every like all the best plastic

Brian Atlassurgery who do you think the men pick well does that for those of you who said The 40-Year-Old with plastic surgery more attractive than the 20-year-old

Amandanatural who do you think men pick I think it was you I didn't say 4 I said 20 I'd say they pick the 20y old yeah yeah I go men pick the 20-year-old men

Amandapick the 20-year-old why for a variety sorry for a variety of reasons because she's more physically attractive well I mean depending on the man that you're talking to they could be

Amandalooking at her for physical appearance they could be looking for someone to carry a child for them so that's obviously a more Prime candidate than a 40-year-old so okay how about he he doesn't want to have

Brian Atlaschildren oh then he's going for the 40-year-old does that that's fun without the risk wait less fun without the risk no I said that is fun without the risk wait what

Amandado you mean without the risk if he's not looking to have a kid then he's going to date The 40-Year-Old cuz she's closer to metapa they're both then why all the rich men why do

Brian Atlasthey all have in this hypothetical scenario he is not concerned well that's what I said it has it depends on what the man is looking for okay the 20-year-old has her tubes tied

Amandathe 20-year-old her to if you can if you're going to add on that my first answer was the 20-year-old and then you added on something else and so that's what I CH my answer back again you said

Brian Atlasum well what if he wants to have kids and I'm saying okay even the man who doesn't want to have kids his priorities are going to be

Amandadifferent than the than the man going for the 20-year-old so there is a man that would choose the 40-year-old over the 20-year-old is what I'm saying I'm not asking but most men would most men

Brian Atlaschoose the 20-year-old and I answered that question first there will be some men who pick the 40-year-old what do you think most men would pick again I answered that question the very first round and I said the

Brian Atlas20-year-old okay because all right never mind but no you started saying because of like ex so how about if most men didn't want to have kids who would they

Amandapick does the 20-year-old still have a her tube

Brian Atlasside okay too much hypothetic there's no Prospect of having children with either with either

Brian Atlas20-year-old then okay all right what about you the 20-year-old because they're more

Brian Atlasphysically attractive youthful physically attractive yeah Dumber sorry all right um I'm going to move it on we've been on this one for a while

Brian Atlasnow but uh okay we're GNA get into uh Katie you're a paralal dancer escort only fans or you don't do escort anymore no oh I did for many years though so and

Katie Valentinethere's all like there's also lots of stuff that has been like shared or stolen on porn sites but I've never done porn like all sorts of but you uh you

Brian Atlasreached out to us October 10th so like um just a what six weeks ago yeah and you said you do escorting well former I

Katie Valentineshould have put so how recently oh okay all right um but I still dance and I do like I wouldn't even say only fans anymore it's totally like died out but I

Brian Atlasdid for a few years uh you wanted to I guess one disagreement you had with the show is that makeup and this is a point of M makeup is deceiving and changes what you look like uh and that's I

Katie Valentinespecifically put that because I like that day I watched an episode where you guys discussed it and it was just something that was fresh in my mind like truly I think if makeup I do think makeup can be used to be

Katie Valentinedeceiving however I think you would have to to go to extreme length to deceive I think you could wear like a standard amount of makeup and a man can be able to tell how drastically different it's

Katie Valentinegoing to look when they you take the makeup off or wake up the next morning right like so I it it was just fresh my mind there's many other topics you've talked about that are can you pull up

Brian AtlasDaman pull up that tweet it's the makeup tweet it should be already pulled up and then there's a couple other things we can pull up here let me see what we have

Brian Atlasum does anybody agree with her so my position is that makeup is uh deceptive lying anybody disagree with that anybody

Brian Atlaselse disagree anybody else I disagree disagree okay like 50/50 50/50 50/50 50/50

Brian Atlas50/50 I would say it's a 50/50 kind of okay so can be do you have it yeah go ahead uh very deceiving

Katie Valentineyes I mean so that's that could be a dude on the left like that's what I would say is Extreme like you are very drastically trying to change your appearance so you are trying to deceive but I think a lot of women wear makeup

Katie Valentineand they just kind of enhance their natural features and you could still tell that when I take my makeup off I'm not going to look drastically different than I look now my skin might not be necessarily perfectly

Brian Atlassmooth who's who's willing to take off their makeup I would take off my makeup I have no qualms you you'll take it off I will we'll do it later on in the show but

Brian Atlasokay you'll take it off I'll think about it all who's wearing fake lashes I have EXT so I can't take them off you can't oh that does I can take them off that

Brian Atlasdoes a lot the the the fake lashes does a lot of heavy lifting for women in general just saying I could agree um oh

Brian Atlaswe got an update on Mason um I'm going to get that scent actually I'll do the new troga wipes know uh we will I almost brought mine cuz I you'll take your makeup off I literally have videos of me

Brian Atlaswithout makeup well I don't know where to and there's probably like filters and no there's no we'll do it at the end of the stream at the end of the stream so you guys don't have to like go the whole show get all of us how you like how

Brian Atlasabout all look all the only episode that all of us she's like thank you all right um yeah look I mean it just seems kind of the whole makeup thing seems I agree

Brian Atlaswith you that there's scales to it like a girl puts on a bit of eyeliner I don't think that's like going to substantially change men's appraisals of her attract

Brian Atlasbut women use a bit more makeup powder foundation contouring fake lashes um there's all kinds of makeup

Brian Atlastechniques that they can employ the amount of makeup they use the type like the the the the I don't know what it's called um absolutely but I guess it was

Katie Valentinejust my my thing was like deceiving is intentionally trying you know what I mean like to mislead someone and there are like that picture was a very great example of where a girl used and went to

Katie ValentineGreat Lengths to change what she looked like but I don't necessarily think like if you took her makeup off it would really change what she looks like at all no but I think makeup can be deceiving

Emily (Inula)but not lying because you're not lying and be like this is my natural self no yeah so I don't think I think it's maybe deceiving I

Brian Atlasmean the thing is though I a guy could even be consciously aware like a guy can although I think there's like for example young men are a bit more naive

Brian Atlasto it they don't have the requisite uh experience with women to like really have a full-fledged idea of like the degree that makeup can change a woman um or there's guys who are just perhaps

Brian Atlasolder but even inexperienced but even if a guy is like has a good sense of you know women's usage of makeup there is this sort of

Brian Atlaslike attraction happens really rapidly and it doesn't happen on the timeline of

Brian Atlasokay I've ackn I can see she's wearing makeup H and it attraction is instant so it can happen before the guys assessed

Brian Atlasthe degree of makeup so you've kind of like even if he like post attraction trigger has made a determination oh she's wearing makeup you've already kind

Brian Atlasof elicited like his like his drive his attraction Drive um in addition to that many women on dating apps for example will never

Brian Atlaspost a photo of them without like without uh any makeup a lot of people meet meet on dating apps uh on your social media profiles perhaps where men might be meeting you sliding into your DMs you're never posting a a picture of

Brian Atlasyou without any makeup you've not really given you know the guy an opportunity to make an assessment of how you look without the makeup but that's not the most important part if it if we're

Emily (Inula)speaking on a relationship basis then of course like your physical appearance is the number one on how you guys meet and get to talk but he should also be

Brian Atlasattracted to a personality sure I I 100% agree so at least 50/50 I 100% agree but like you you guys sort of

Brian Atlaslike you guys sort of cheat your way to getting the opportunity okay so what you because because it would be like me saying well

Brian AtlasI had to lie to her that I'm an attorney but I actually work at McDonald's so I could get my foot in the door so she could see my sparkling personality because if it was not for my appeal to

Brian Atlasher superficial interests then she would not have otherwise given me an opportunity airgo I had to deceive her on some level guys do that they they use

Emily (Inula)a picture from 2016 now they're like gained weight and older and you right but that's wrong or they you know there's other ways in which men will women care about looks too there's there's ways men will lie maybe they lie

Cenaabout their height okay that's a good one if a man was balding yeah and he wore a hat and he wore a t or t toue

Cenawould you consider that deceiving or is that just enhancing his natural face structure with fake hair I mean that's not what he actually

Brian Atlaslooks like wearing the toupe what about a beard if you were to shave your beard yeah I would look different yeah so would you consider a bearding I think no in so far as a beard is natural whereas

Brian Atlasmakeup is completely fake like you I could be on a desert island and grow a beard if you on a desert island you would not I mean unless you were [ __ ] weird you would not like start mining

Brian Atlas[ __ ] material to slap on your face that's a survival situation um makeup is fake makeup is uh artificial but girls look like that like when we go out in

Emily (Inula)public we put on makeup so we're not lying because we take our makeup off in the night when we sleep or if we are at home so like look I'll look like this

Brian Atlasthat's sure going back to the beard Point uh I suppose like for example I'll grant that there are men who maybe they have a weak jawline or a weak chin and they grow a beard MH 100% could be the

Andrew Wilsoncase wait wait Brian isn't isn't shaving the beard the unnatural thing sure shaving the beard would I suppose be the unnatural thing um so then the argument that she's making that

Brian Atlasyou're trying to hide something is the opposite right it's like that's the natural state of things I sure I I suppose I but I think the bigger thing here is well then like

Brian Atlashow far do we bring it when it comes to hair well I suppose uh everybody should just shave their head both men and women and then we can because I think in the same way that a

Brian Atlashairstyle on a man can make him more or less flattering I think the same thing can be said for women uh in the same way with the beard thing this applies to both men and women perhaps a man who's balding or a man who has a large

Brian Atlasforehead same with a woman a woman could wear bangs a woman could cover the her five head or whatever the [ __ ] um I don't think styling and

Brian Atlasgrooming is quite at the same level as makeup though in addition to this this is an argument I frequently make I think when people are making appraisals or

Brian Atlasassessments of physical appearance typically I think the top 50% of your face is going to be much more heavily

Brian Atlasweighted than the bottom 50% of your face like from here up versus here down so look the beard can do some lifting

Brian Atlasfor people but uh when it comes about the teeth because I feel like teeth are a big thing like if you're [ __ ] up yeah somebody with nice sure somebody

Brian Atlaswith nice teeth uh that can be a factor that come that that uh gets put into one's physical attractiveness but I don't think you can make

Brian Atlascomparisons to uh to beards when it comes to makeup but what about hair trans

Brian AtlasPlantation like when you're balding and you just move your hair yeah no I I see that I you know the thing is though is

Brian Atlasthat I don't know it would be deceiving in so far as um well the toue one is interesting

Brian Atlasbecause that is not like that does not become a permanent thing right so like he could take that that [ __ ] could fall off like you're [ __ ] and it falls off oh [ __ ] he's bald what the [ __ ] a Donald

Brian AtlasTrump or some [ __ ] but like uh that be funny the interesting thing though even with the tupe but to your point like the hair transplant is that a man could like

Brian Atlasmen into their 40s and 50s can still have a fantastic hairline and a full head of hair so the hair transplant is perfectly mimicking

Brian Atlassomething that exists either in one's youth or exist for other men hold on or exist of men of that age or

Brian Atlasum Can can exist naturally independent of

Brian Atlasuh for other men or for he when he was younger No Woman No Woman the fake

Brian Atlaslashes no the boobs hold on hold on no woman when it comes the fake lashes has natural lashes that look like fake

Brian Atlaslashes no women have has eyeline no woman naturally has black marks around her eyes no woman n naturally has uh lip

Brian AtlasLin like uh lipstick and all the no right um so the hair transplant one and the boo

Emily (Inula)one because women if they had like well okay go ahead but I have a response if they had like perfect boobs and then they get children and they become flat

Emily (Inula)and sagy and then they get you know a poop job isn't that the same for a guy he had hair he lost it and now he's getting it back

Brian Atlasum it could be although the thing is with with breast implants there is no natural state of women where they ever have plastic in

Brian Atlastheir chest naturally you get it fed what's that oh fat transfers yeah H I'd have to research that but when it come

Brian Atlasnot all women who get I have that cool uh but when it comes to this right so uh I think most men can like if they

Brian Atlassee a woman with fake breasts they can tell whereas so I don't really think that while there are women with large breasts

Brian Atlaswomen with large natural breasts those don't look the same as fake breasts but the same with the hair transplant because well look I'll Grant

Brian Atlasto you if you can tell that he has a hair transplant and it doesn't look natural then sure you can pull up a Danish twitch

Emily (Inula)streamer sure there's botched hair transplants and then it gets if you got it done bad it's like a perfectly shaped

Brian Atlasyou know hairline I mean so I'm looking at your Instagram right now M and you said so you don't have implants I do both oh you have both yeah oh okay so then you're not a good good example then

Brian Atlasno no I'm not cuz I'm looking at your Instagram profile boops yeah I can tell those don't look like natural titties how can you tell I have fake boob

Brian Atlasradar I can tell well typically for ex here's one for example so so uh there there is to some degree a lack of um cleavage so typically there'll be a a

Brian Atlasbit of a there's other indicators but there'll be a bit of a a gap here that would not you would not notice in a woman with natural

Brian Atlasbreasts do you you don't know what I'm talking about have you seen fake breast before where it's like looks like a ball and a ball yes yes and then there's like

Brian Atlasa Gap a gap that that's one indicator the other indicator can typically be um given the size of them they're much more

Brian Atlasthey're too held up than they otherwise should be because women with large breasts uh they will I'm not saying they're going to be saggy but they're not going to like sit natural quite as

Brian Atlashigh in the chest but you wouldn't know unless they take their clothes off right I mean if woman's in a bikini okay then you would know

Brian Atlasright okay here Cena read this one for me you wom need to read up on the science behind attraction specifically

Cenathe affect woman fertility and fertility have on male attraction do the math what does your fertility look like at

Brian Atlas40 Lucas thank you for the um message man really appreciate it uh let's see here why we go to Twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a

Brian Atlasfollow and a prime prime sub bearded fetus what's up I think he's in the guild thank you man thank you for the prime guys if you're watching on Twitch drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if

Brian Atlasyou have one drop us a follow drop us a prime sub check if you have a prime sub available hook it up boys hook it up thank you guys appreciate all the support over there on Twitch and then uh you you wanted to talk about I don't

Brian Atlasknow if this was dis disagreements but you wanted to talk about abortion sex work relationship roles let's start with relationship roles uh what did you want to talk on on that again those were just topics that you have talked about before

Katie Valentineit wasn't anything very was it like disagreement or um no just I've heard different opinions on the show and so it was one thing that stuck out to me like that you guys talk about was there something in

Brian Atlasparticular or um let me think for a minute okay uh and then was there disagreement on the sex work one

Katie Valentineum not NE it's I have to kind of like Replay in my head but you guys talk about gender roles sex work women being in the sex industry and being in

Brian Atlasrelationships so these are just all in general things that I could talk on and touch on because of my experience okay I'll throw this out then this is something I've said when it comes to sex workers as it relates to dating not really interested in having the convers

Brian Atlasation about just for the sake of time uh sex work bad I mean not really interested in that but um so I think for example if a woman uh certainly if she

Brian Atlasis engaged in sex work I would consider this non-traditional conduct airG go I don't think she deserves traditional treatment so I've said for example women demand men to pay for First Dates they

Brian Atlasthey say that this is chivalry this is gentlemanly treatment I think in order for you as a woman to be deserved Ving of gentleman Leo shiv's treatment uh you

Brian Atlasneed to correspondingly hold up your end of the deal which would entail being a lady and a lady you preclude yourself from being a lady if you are engaged in sex work of any kind thus I don't think

Katie Valentinemen should pay for First Dates I don't think men should be providers to women engaged in sex work that's my position um the agreements disagreements the first date like but I feel like a lot of people put a lot lot of like

Brian Atlasemphasis on like oh a man should pay for the first dat I don't NE ever for a sex worker ever never okay y that should be that should be 50/50 or she should pay

Cenafor everything why it's well it's a total reversal of uh it's totally non-traditional so you think that because women who are in the sex field they shouldn't have like objections or

Brian Atlasopinions on oh well so so there's a couple things here one anybody can demand anything mhm um maybe you can get it maybe you can't and

Brian AtlasI'll even I do believe that there's a lot of simps out there and the total decay of society um men are desperate MH so a lot of men will put up with a

Brian Atlasmetric [ __ ] ton of [ __ ] from women and still do the simp [ __ ] still pay for [ __ ] still be a provider because that's sort of their Natural Essence and men have been like force-fed a bunch of

Brian Atlas[ __ ] and a bunch of feminism for decades saying it's okay like wh women can behave this way women can be sex workers women can be these

Brian AtlasProgressive uh non-traditional women and you still got to sack up you still when it comes time you still got to be a traditional man because and this is actually something that's upheld by

Brian Atlaswomen women themselves and I'm I suppose credit to you women despite you guys being the least traditional you've ever been being the most promiscuous being

Brian Atlasthe most involved in sex work being bringing the least to the table falling as little in line with traditional

Brian Atlasgender rules as you do you still demand traditional treatment and you still demand men fall into their traditional gender

Brian Atlasroles and you still get it because women dictate have women have massive leverage when it comes to dating when it comes to sex and when it comes to the sexual the

Brian Atlassexual Marketplace woman privilege yeah so um I think

Cenamen so but just basically but just cuz a woman who is in the field of sex where it doesn't mean that she won't provide

Brian AtlasThea traditional stuff that the men want well so I'll Grant to you that for example a woman who's a prostitute she might know how to cook she might might

Brian Atlasknow how to clean she might even be submissive although if he if he says I want you to stop sex work and she continues doing sex work is she really

Brian Atlassubmissive um she could cook she could clean she could be feminine she could be

Brian Atlassubmissive I guess um but I think being a prostitute one way or

Brian Atlasanother is just so in cont V vention of being traditional that it's kind of

Cenalike you know the big thing so then but isn't that what guys want like a tradition no like a traditional men you guys want a woman who will cook who

Brian Atlaswill clean who will do all that stuff for you yeah but not at the cost of she's a prostitute but what if he's into that then he's a man who's willing to

Brian Atlasdate a pro prostitute is probably not a traditional guy who's looking for a good wholesome woman but then you guys always say what do woman have to offer not

Brian Atlasprostitution yeah not prostitution wait let me ask you a question so is a do you think typically for most men do you

Brian Atlasthink only fans is a pro or a con I know you make money but do you

Cenathink it's a pro or a con obviously it's a con to most men but what I'm trying to say is okay

Cenayou guys always say like what do women bring to the table besides the fact that she number one she has [ __ ] number two she cooks she cleans she bows to you yep

Andrew Wilsonokay yeah we'll play that later well that I feel like this kind of a straw man though because what happens you're conflating two different phenomena so the the thing that you're

Andrew Wilsonconflating is when we ask women what they think they bring to the table and that's their answer uh versus what we say uh women bring to the table that is desirable to

Andrew Wilsonus so these are these are two different categories so um neither Brian nor myself have ever said uh and I know this for sure having been on as many episodes as I have that the only thing a woman

Andrew Wilsonbrings to the table is her vagina and cooking and cleaning right um what has happened instead is that we've asked many women what do you bring to the table in a relationship and that tends to be their

Andrew Wilsonanswer so then what do you what would you say that woman bring to the table well regardless of what I think that women bring to the table or not the I was just correcting the conflation

Andrew Wilsonthat you were making there when you say well you guys always say that women only bring a b and c in response to Brian's only fans and it was clever because the idea there was to say well Brian what's the matter with it because you say that

Brian Atlasthat's all women bring anyway but that's never been Brian's position yeah so I guess going back to it um what's your argument I guess like what you cuz I my

Brian Atlasposition is uh don't like they don't deserve it now do men still pay for like will men still pay for first AIDS for like an

Brian Atlasonly fans chick sure will men still like do traditional [ __ ] sure can an only fans girl score like a masculine guy

Brian Atlassure uh do they deserve it not so I don't think so but there's a lot of men out there so and I think I'm in some

Brian Atlasways uh a lot of men men have been conditioned through exposure to uh kind of modernity and degeneracy

Brian Atlaslike oh it's almost I think and I'm trying to this is what I'm actually in some ways trying to undo is like no as a man you can have standards and here's like XYZ

Brian Atlashere's a bunch of Standards you can have one of your standards can be or should be uh it's kind of suboptimal

Emily (Inula)to date women involved in sex work if the okay if men could live off of doing o would it be the same like then men

Andrew Wilsondidn't deserve us cooking and cleaning for them so you're saying if they were male porn stars yeah well you you snuck you hang on you snuck in a a little word

Andrew Wilsonthere right it's very sneaky loaded language the word that you snuck in there was deserve because Brian said no hang on no no no no hang on let's separate again we got to separate this

Andrew Wilsonout when you say deserve right Brian's asking why would a woman who wants a traditional man but it was not traditional herself deserve one right so

Andrew Wilsonyou're asking um you know the in this reverse question for deserve the reason that this doesn't apply is because women don't seem to give a [ __ ] about how many

Andrew Wilsonwomen a man has slept with they think it's weird in fact when they're pulled on this that a man stays a virgin until they're in their 30s or 40s they think that there's something wrong with them

Andrew Wilsontrue but they tend to compete they tend to compete over men who have many sexual options right and men tend to want to compete over women who have very low body counts for the Assurance of

Emily (Inula)fraternity I think but I'm not talking about body count I'm talking about him exploiting himself like on an O I mean yeah well let's let's just grant it for a second and say no he

Andrew Wilsonshould he shouldn't expect to deserve to have a a traditional woman but if we take the word deserve out right of of this idea of who deserves what um would

Andrew Wilsonthe traditional woman care that becomes the question as much as the traditional man would care that's the question so do you think that the TRD

Andrew Wilsongirl cares as much about the high body count man who uh was on only fans that tons of women desired versus the opposition I think that they would not care as much traditional women want

Andrew Wilsonloyalty as well why wouldn't they want loyalty because they don't have to assure paternity the same way that men do women are always assured paternity you always know the child is yours it comes out of your body the man though

Andrew Wilsonhe's never assured paternity and so the reason that men tend to find this revolting I think comes from a biological standpoint we've only recently gotten paternity test for

Andrew Wilsoninstance and so men want to uh know that the child that they have is theirs and so that's why loyalty matters so much and so they they see signs of non-loyal

Andrew Wilsonwomen and promiscuity is the number one sign of that whereas in the reverse doesn't seem to be the case men with high body count don't seem to have a huge huge problem

Isabellasettling down and being loyal would you guys rather have a boyfriend with a high body count or what would you rather have low or high I prefer

Jasminelow low low it doesn't really matter to me doesn't matter yes same it doesn't matter I think for the man it's always

Katie Valentinedifferent I think I would prefer low but I wouldn't ask I'd prefer low honestly I prefer High mhm I prefer yeah both are high because then

Andrew Wilsonthey're like then here's the difference right so then the big difference is is that um just just so you know if this was reversed and it was all just kind of you

Andrew Wilsonknow normal men sitting at the table basically all of them would say that they would prefer low that's right and and this was this was quite the mixed bag of women who said actually more women said High than low and so

Andrew Wilsonthat's that's where the distinction and preference comes in only one said hi and she's non no no I don't well I don't care right the answer don't care also

Andrew Wilsonmeans that if they have a high body count it's it's it it's irrelevant right they don't care so so if they're like I I I'll Grant to you you're right it misspoke I'll grantee you that they didn't specifically say the word high

Andrew Wilsonbut if you don't care if it's high then it's basically saying the same thing if a man says I do care if it's high I think that they would have responded that way right where to Andrew's Point

Brian Atlaswhereas most men would say I do care I do care I would care if it's high I prefer it to be low correct yeah um but

Brian Atlasso I guess going back to my original position which was uh I don't think that like you as women kind of got to hold up your end of the

Brian Atlasdeal so my position is okay you want guys to be chivalrous gentlemen provider

Brian Atlaspay for dates you got to like be look I'm not saying you got to be a nun you know I'm not saying that you don't have to be

Brian Atlasperfect but I think involvement in sex work is just to me such like this blaringly like you're Progressive you're a progressive

Brian AtlasModern Woman you don't deserve the traditional gender you don't deserve the man to fall into his

Brian Atlastraditional gender role you can still get it I'm sure most sex workers have no problem getting guys to pay for first AIDS especially if you date your simp people on off yeah they'll [ __ ] simp

Kylafor you personally I don't think you should even be going on dates if you're a sex worker because the point of going on dates is to find the person that you're going to marry you know as a traditional woman sure sure that's the

Kylawhole point of going on dates is to find the person that you're eventually going to marry and I don't feel like most not saying all but I don't feel like most

Kylawomen that are sex workers have that mindset yeah to marry um yeah at least

Brian Atlasat the time anybody I mean I know we have three you still do o do you do o no you do o o o I mean do you guys have

Brian Atlasthoughts I mean I'm sure you guys disagree I'm sure you guys are like no know like even despite me being involved in this kind of like non-traditional

Katie Valentinefield of work and having nude photos of myself out there whatever I still want a man to be chivalrous and be traditional and is that fair to say or I think I

Katie Valentinethink it's a little crazy to say that single women in the in the field shouldn't date at all if there's I no no no no no I'm sorry she said that I'm moving right along off of that because

Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next