DEMON Satanic E-GIRL w/ 300+ Body Count (4 In 1 Day)?! Did WHAT In A GRAVEYARD?! | Dating Talk #216

Date: 2024-11-27

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EEmily (Inula)>

IIsabella (UCSB)>

KKatie Valentine >

AAmanda (Veterans)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Emily (Inula)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Isabella(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Isabella/TTS(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kyla(guest)

SPEAKER_12Katie Valentine(guest)

SPEAKER_13Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_14Jasmine(guest)

Key Moments

IntroEmily (Inula) introduces herself as 23yo Danish/Hungarian OnlyFans creator; reveals satanic tattoo

“I'm Inula but you can call me Emily, I'm 23 and I'm partly living in Hungary and Denmark”

IntroCena introduces herself - 18yo Canadian, OnlyFans + engineering student (returning guest)

“hi my name is Cena I'm 18 my occupation is OF and I live in Canada”

RelationshipKatie Valentine reveals on-again off-again complicated relationship (~5-6 years, 4 years cohabiting); previously had 7.5 year relationship

“currently I'm kind of in an on again off again relationship... we were together for four years and we lived together and then we had a breakup”

IntroJasmine introduces herself - 27yo pharmacy tech from LA, engaged 4 years

“my name is Jasmine I am 27 years old from LA I work part-time managing a smoke shop”

RelationshipJasmine reveals she is currently engaged, 4-year relationship, her longest

“at the moment I am currently engaged uh we have been together for going on 4 years”

Key MomentEmily reveals her boyfriend drove her to hook up with another man and waited outside while she had sex - then kissed her when she returned

“he would drive you to one guy but you went to that guy multiple times... when you got back in the car would he go in for a kiss immediately... he went in for the kiss yeah”

QuoteBrian PSA: Men should never date a woman who is sexually involved with another man - it's a baseline standard

“this should be your Baseline standard even if you struggle to get women it should be the you do not sink this low ever ever your Baseline should be if a woman is sexually involved with another man that is 100% a deal breaker”

ControversyAndrew challenges Emily: if she believes in equal rights she is a feminist by definition; lists her liberal positions vs claimed conservatism

“so to get this right: pro women's Choice pro LGBTQ pro women's Liberation where's is there a single conservative principal hidden anywhere”

ControversyAndrew systematically lists Emily's "conservative" contradictions: masturbated on grave, got abortion (preventing boyfriend from being a father), pro-women's liberation, pro-LGBTQ

“so far what we have is that you masturbated on a dude's grave and this was after you were with a guy and you went and had an abortion thus making it so that he would never be a father”

IntroRiley arrives late and introduces herself - 27yo web3 developer, Vegas, just out of a relationship

“my name is Riley I'm 27 years old I'm a web 3 developer and I live in Vegas”

ControversyEmily reveals she masturbated on a dead man's grave for $200 custom OF request; police were called but did nothing

“a guy asked you to do a solo tape on his father's tombstone... I visited the grave paid my respect and then... well I visited the grave”

QuoteSelf-ratings round - Cena rates herself 5 (was 8 on Sunday), Brian asks why she lost 3 points in 48 hours

“why did you lose three points in 48 hours... you were here on Sunday... now you're mid a five”

Key MomentBrian: if girlfriend wants to go to bachelorette party in Mexico, relationship is over - different values

“she's just not going... you can go the relationship is over it was nice to meet you we have different values”

Key MomentJasmine reveals she was undocumented since age 3 and was involved with a pimp (served as bottom bitch/assistant)

“I'm not legally from here so my process... I was a ghost in the system at the time... I would just help him around with whatever girls he was working with”

Key MomentJasmine reveals she was married at 22 and divorced, then almost pimped out by a sugar daddy who used her undocumented status

“he was like a literal pimp yes... wanted to make me one of his... I would just help him around with whatever girls he was working with... it was it was basically you could call it that”

QuoteAndrew: Brian can't get a plastic straw in CA due to stigma against plastic, but can freely access all OF content online

“Brian lives in a state currently where he can't get a plastic drinking straw because of the stigma against plastic... but right now he can go on that laptop and pull up all of your naked pictures”

Key MomentEmily reveals body count of 302 - 100+ this year alone due to OF customs; had 68 partners before age 20

“body count 302... this year's the year I've been with the most people is it because of OF... 200 plus this year”

QuoteAndrew formally challenges Michael Knowles to a 1v1 debate on the Whatever Podcast about the manosphere

“I'd like to challenge Michael Knowles to a debate on the whatever podcast uh just 1 V one he's been on before so have I we know Brian Atlas will be a fair moderator”

TopicAndrew Wilson wraps up and leaves the show after ~7 hours

“Andrew thank you for coming... thank you for joining us”

Key MomentIsabella walks through the logic that a man dating a trans woman is homosexual (Brian leads her through it until she concedes)

“a transgender woman is male... through sex yeah... so trans a transgender woman is male you agree with this... man dating a transgender woman is homosexual”

Key MomentMakeup removal challenge - all female guests wipe off makeup; chat reacts to who looks better without makeup

“okay who's going to do it Cena you going to do it... boom boom... I need a lot of makeup”

Key MomentCena eats entire Snickers bar in one bite as a challenge

“okay guys this is she... you have to one bite... yeah I made it”

Topics Discussed

Show Intro & Guest Introductions

Brian opens the show, explains delayed start due to rain. Guests introduce themselves in order: Emily (Danish OF creator, 23), Cena (18, Canadian, returning guest), Isabella (18, UCSB), Katie Valentine (34, Las Vegas, paralegal/escort), Amanda (34, Sacramento, veterans mental health), Kyla (27, Arizona, modeling). Jasmine arrives later and introduces herself. Riley arrives even later.

Emily's Open Relationship & Graveyard Story

Brian reads Emily's pre-show notes. Discussion of her open relationship at 16-18 where boyfriend drove her to hookups. The boyfriend was a cuck who kissed her when she returned. Brian gives PSA about men not accepting this. Emily also reveals she masturbated on a dead man's grave for a $200 OF custom during Halloween - the requester's father's grave. Police were called after her TikTok but did nothing. Andrew notes Danish law on grave desecration.

Emily's Abortion & Conservative vs Liberal Contradictions

Andrew challenges Emily's claim to be conservative while holding pro-choice, pro-LGBTQ, pansexual, sex-work-positive views. Emily had an abortion on her birthday (boyfriend had testicular cancer and wanted to keep baby; she went back to him after). Andrew catalogues her contradictions.

Riley Arrives Late - Age Gap Relationship Discussion

Riley introduces herself as a web3 developer who just arrived. She was in a 30-year age gap relationship with a 57yo man she met while serving at a casino. They waited 3 months to have sex (long distance). Discussion of age gap dynamics.

Self-Ratings Round (1-10 looks)

Brian asks everyone to rate their looks 1-10. Cena rates herself 5 (was 8 on Sunday - says makeup is off today). Emily: 5. Isabella: 5. Katie: 7-7.5 without everything, 8-8.5 with; said she was 9-10 at peak (28-29). Jasmine: 5.5. Amanda: 7. Kyla: 7. Andrew: 4. Brian: 4. Discussion of when women peak physically.

Do Women Peak in their 20s? Aging & Looks Discussion

Extended debate on whether women peak physically in their 20s. Brian argues women will not be better looking at 40 vs 25 all else equal. Amanda and Jasmine claim they'll be better looking later. Andrew argues cosmetic enhancements are designed to maintain youthful appearance. Discussion of confidence vs actual physical beauty, BBL, breast implants, push-up bras. Most women cope about aging.

Makeup: Deceptive or Enhancing?

Katie disagrees makeup is always deceptive - thinks it can just enhance natural features. Brian argues makeup is deceptive because attraction happens before conscious assessment. 50/50 split on panel. Discussion of fake lashes, contouring vs natural. At end of show they do makeup removal challenge.

Sex Work, Dating & Traditional Roles

Brian's position: women in sex work don't deserve traditional gentleman treatment (paying for dates, being providers). Not saying they can't find men who do it, just that they don't deserve it. Panel debates: women claim they still want traditional treatment despite non-traditional work. Andrew argues sex work/porn rewires men's brains, causes harm similar to addiction. Emily argues men buy it so it can't be wrong. Andrew uses body disposal analogy.

Penis Size Discussion

Does size matter? Yes/no split. Jasmine says average girth is fine (5.5" or even 4" if average girth). Katie admits she'd still have sex even if size was disappointing but no second date. Amanda wants girth proportionate to length (minimum 6in). Measurement tape comes out. Discussion of "pity sex."

Women Caring About Looks More Than Men

Brian argues women care more about looks than men based on specific things: height (out of control), hair (balding), and penis size (physical not visual). Kyla gives compelling argument: women swipe on only 10% of men on dating apps while men swipe on nearly everyone. Discussion of whether men are superficial vs strategic swipers.

Going Out to Bars/Clubs in Relationships

Extended debate on whether women in relationships should go out to bars/clubs. Brian: women going out is a bigger liability than men because women will be approached/pursued. Amanda: husband doesn't want her traveling internationally without him - discusses compromise. Katie: trusts partner but brings up bachelorette party example (Mexico). Andrew makes emotional appeal about irrational fears. Brian: would end relationship if girlfriend went to bachelorette party. Discussion of symmetry in relationship rules.

Delusional Dating Calculator

Brian runs the Slate Delusional Dating Calculator for Katie (200k income, 6ft+, no obese, any race, 28-50): 0.96%. With married included ~similar. Riley (150k, 5'5"+, 27-57, no obese): 1%. Cena (no income req, 4'11"+ height, 18-30, no obese excluded): 0.062%. Andrew explains how dropping a few standards would skyrocket the percentages.

Marriage: Bad Deal for Men?

Brian argues marriage is a bad deal for men. Guests try to make case for marriage: tradition, loyalty, security, protection. Brian rebuts each point - can get all benefits without marriage contract. Discusses divorce statistics skewed toward women. Prenups can't fully protect. Andrew notes Danish divorce stats same as US. Brian's hypothetical about hand amputation to get married (Christian ethics debate with Andrew). Riley says sign prenup and give her security. Katie: agrees marriage is bad financially for both.

Body Count Round

Body counts revealed around the table. Emily: 302 (shocking, 100+ this year alone due to OF customs; 68 by age 20; 4 in one day max; had 6-some once). Cena: 3. Isabella: 2. Katie: refused to share (over/under 1000 professionally also refused). Amanda: forgot/unknown (been with husband 12 years). Kyla: 7. Jasmine: declined (said it's between her and her fiancé). Riley: declined.

Aging Photos (AI Age Progression)

Damian pulls up AI age progression photos of all the women. Mixed reactions - some look the same, some age well in the AI, some get "armpit fat" added. Kyla sees herself looking like her mom. Brief but fun segment.

Feminism: Equality or Women's Advocacy?

Brian argues first-wave feminism wasn't about equality because women got the vote without military conscription. Andrew notes most women voted against suffrage originally. Brian: feminism fights for women's benefits only, never takes away privileges. Riley and Isabella disagreed on questionnaire (thought it was about equality). Brian walks through logic showing even first-wave feminism was selective.

Women Oppressed? Slut-Shaming Debate

Amanda says women are oppressed (slut-shaming double standard). Andrew and Brian challenge: how is a preference (not wanting to date high-body-count women) oppressive? Brian: social shaming is the only tool to reduce hookup culture. Amanda: hookup culture can have positive aspects (sexual self-knowledge). Andrew: society has campaigns against smoking/drinking but none against porn/OF.

Andrew Wilson Departure & Michael Knowles Challenge

Andrew says goodbye and issues formal challenge to Michael Knowles (conservative commentator) to debate on Whatever Podcast. Clarifies the Nala clip controversy - some other account (not Whatever) added misleading headline. Andrew notes the episode had the most selectively edited clips of any Whatever episode.

Is Dating a Man Transgender Gay? Logic Exercise

Isabella disagreed on questionnaire that "it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman." Brian walks her through: can't change sex, only gender. Trans woman is biologically male. Homosexual = same-sex. Therefore man + trans woman = homosexual. Isabella eventually concedes. Discussion of post-op trans scenarios.

Roast Session / TTS Reading

$20 TTS roast session. Highlights: LOL paladins multiple donations roasting various guests. Danny Simmon rates panel "solid four." Roasts of Emily (Viking pillaging for a fee), Jasmine (pimp story). Brian reads Brian's mom TTS. Cena eats a Snickers bar in one bite. Makeup removal challenge - guests wipe makeup off to reveal natural faces. Comments on who looks better without makeup.

Show Outro & Twitch Raid

Brian wraps up. Jasmine thanks Brian for having her. Brian tries to raid streamer "Mitch" who was going for world first hardcore run in WoW Classic but got disconnected. Brian sends kind message. Final TTS messages read. Brian eats burrito on stream after champagne pop donation. Outro with raid to Mitch.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthat's not my position I'm not clined to you can date you can date go find yourself a dgen soy boy Lefty though um but let's get to the my position

Katie Valentinewhich is I I already stated it so that we don't deserve this is that what we're no you can look if you can find a guy who's willing to date you sure you said that we can find them but

Brian Atlaswe don't deserve them so I'm just making clear that's why you're trying to re I don't think it's it's a fair deal I agree then I guess you can say well life's not fair blah blah blah but um it's definitely not fair I agree I've

Katie Valentinebeen in that industry for a long time and I don't think it's fair I would never expect a fully traditional uh role from a man and I've

Katie Valentinebeen in I would say a relationship where the man did not care at all I provided everything I paid for everything I never had a job um and then I dated someone

Katie Valentinewho is the opposite does not like it at all is not okay with it does not feel like that should we should have a traditional role because of that and so I've dealt with both but I do agree that

Katie ValentineI don't think that sex workers I don't necessarily like the word deserve but I don't think that that Dynamic works if you're a sex worker you cannot expect a

Katie Valentineman to give you all of the traditional things if you are in that industry at all I but I think that a woman can be in that industry and still value

Katie Valentinetraditional roles and want that eventually but I think she has to stop doing sex work and then pursue a traditional role with you know gender

Brian Atlasrole relationship and I'll just add this like the These are My Views and I know for a fact that I can sit here all day and say well these girls who do only

Brian Atlasfans sex workers they don't deserve this but at the end of the day I know there's a sucker born every minute SU new sucker turns 18 whatever the [ __ ] uh I know

Brian Atlasthat you guys despite the whatever the scope of your sex work is whether you're strippers or doing only fans shooting

Brian Atlasporn even literal escorts or prostitutes uh I know there's the guys will still there are men out there who will still hold up their end of the bargain hold up

Katie Valentinetheir end of the deal they'll yeah less and less though perhaps through the work of the charitable work of the whatever podcast that in my opinion that will

Katie Valentinenever work um they might do it for a while but that will never work long term that relationship will not last um any man in that you know in the beginning they might think you could even say in

Katie Valentinethe position they think like oh if I do all these things then she might stop right but that has to be like a hard line like you have to decide I want to stop so that I can have this traditional

Brian Atlasrelationship um so I I guess uh I I do want move things on and wrap it up on this specific point but it seems like

Brian Atlasmany women have just they've completely forsaken abandoned cast aside um almost any and all of their traditional gender roles yet often times with the utmost

Brian Atlasentitlement they still expect men to adhere to uh our traditional gender roles it's kind of like you want your cake and to eat it too it's like on one

Brian Atlashand you have women who are just pushing like liberal feminist progress equality values as far as humanly possible sex work totally fine men are

Brian Atlasinsecure if they uh are unwilling to date women who are currently letting other men blast inside of them no modesty in either their conduct or appearance promiscuity Etc on the other

Brian Atlashand when it comes to your gendered expectations of men you may as well be like 1950s bachelorettes you want men to be chivalrous you want men to be providers

Brian Atlasand protectors and leaders take all the initiative pay for dates open the car door get you flowers get down on one knee propose spend five figures on a

Brian Atlasring um double standard it's just um to me it's just kind of kind of crazy so uh uh I don't know just uh whatever so um

Brian Atlasmoving on moving on um I guess going back to you though I think there was uh relationship rules I don't know if you said maybe there's a disagreement or on something no okay abortion are you

Katie Valentinepro-life pro- choice I wouldn't say I'm pro-life or pro-choice um mhm I lean I mean I lean more pro-choice I will say that but I

Brian Atlasokay I see both sides I actually I don't want to linger on the uh abortion topic I'm actually just curious though by show F hands and we won't linger don't really feel like having the that convo tonight

Brian Atlasuh who's pro-choice okay Pro lifee all right okay uh and then let's

Brian Atlassee moving on to did you provide any notes or no no okay um in your Instagram bio though you're a certified peer

Amandasupport specialist is that like a therapist or um that is a so I was certified through Nami which is the National Association mental illness it was a certification I did with the

Amandaproject that I help on here in California and I hosted uh peer support groups for veterans and their caregivers and I covered a multitude of topics from

AmandaHealthcare navigation the VA system claims management you do counseling or uh I am not a licensed counselor peer support just I'm a caregiver so I'm allowed to you also describe yourself in

Brian Atlasyour Instagram profile you're an Aries Sun Virgo Moon cancer Rising thing asy part of my astrology chart what is that just part of your astrology chart so there's different based on when

Brian Atlasyou were born where you were born what time all that yeah I'm um I am a uh a Sagittarius okay do you guys get that from me I'm a s I'm pretty sure you've

Brian Atlasdone this before do you guys get I don't get you're not getting Sagittarius what you're say are you anybody getting Sagittarius me oh oh I'm actually

Brian AtlasCapricorn oh nice yeah you guys [ __ ] up all right um H where do we let me see

Cenahere oh we have Lucas go ahead Cena G golly she's so well she's cool she's clean she's submissive and she's

Cenaalso lurena bobbit bobbit what a wholesome tradition into the mic into mic what a wholesome traditional gal

Cenachair to if a girl is in a prostitute to a right off the

Brian Atlasbat do you want to respond Cena here Cena what what do you think about this so a girl does only fans do you think the guy should pay for the first

Cenadat honestly I think that the men they don't have to but every girl has their own opinion right like some girls would want would like that but obviously like

Brian Atlasokay sure yeah I guess I mean look I'm sure there's like only fans girls out there who their standard is like yeah I'm doing only fans but like yeah you're going to pay for me if I if we go on the first aid and if you don't pay then

Brian Atlasthere's going to there's not going to be they're not saying this but like that's the mindset there won't be a second dat because this is my expectation I can get it I want

Brian Atlasit uh and yeah they can get it but don't think that they deserve it um I'm going to get into the questionnaire stuff I'll get back to the pre the other

Brian Atlasactually let me just do a quick glance here if there's uh any interesting um I mean Cena let me do your notes really quick uh you said men can be sassier than girls in a

Cenarelationship yes uh have you had that experience yes yeah how is he sassy like sassy in a way

Cenawhere it's like they complain they complain so much more about anything compared to the girls like say like I don't know if you know the term like men

Andrew Wilsonperiod like men who are on their period what what men complain more than the girls what no there are some men who do complain more than the girls yeah there's I'm sure there's some but I mean

Andrew Wilsoncome on like women are notorious for complaining nonstop and then this one they're like they're they're notorious for

Andrew Wilson[Music] it so you think uh men playing more than there some like here let me give you let me give you let me give you an example here okay do you feel like you would be

Andrew Wilsonmore let's just play this game real quick the game is do you feel like you'd be more likely to hear this phrase from a man or a woman ready okay so show of

Andrew Wilsonhands ready I have some concerns show of hands if it's a woman show of hands yeah show of hands

Andrew Wilsonif it's a man yeah yeah okay you ready here we go here we go I'm on a journey show of hands if it's a

Emily (Inula)woman oh that's on a journey show of hands if it's a man yeah like a it's like a typical single man thing a typical single man tells you

Andrew Wilsonhe's on a journey huh yeah I'm on the journey to find myself Adventure yeah it's going an adventure okay um you ready here's the

Andrew Wilsonlast one real quick show of hands man or woman okay we're going to start with is the following from a

Andrew Wilsonman um wait what what's so funny what what what just the the you already you you already knew you you already know what I'm going to say okay so we have

Andrew Wilsonthe journey we have the concerns then uh what's the last what's the third one I forgot what the third one was I had them written down here um I'm pregnant see no no that's always

Andrew Wilsonthat's always to be oh yeah yeah is that a complaint um C can we talk is that a man or a

Brian Atlaswoman show of hands if it's a man show of hands if it's a woman

Brian Atlasyeah um question have any of you had the experience of and guys do this too but uh you're maybe you're dating a guy and he

Brian Atlasdoesn't this can sometimes go both ways I think but whatever I'll throw it out there he doesn't text you enough anybody had that

Brian Atlasexperience I would say yes really yeah it's I actually I mean maybe it's maybe it's just me feel like it depends on the girl's defition of I'm such a [ __ ]

Katie Valentine[ __ ] texter but I'm 35 I didn't have that back in I had a rotary telephone you s letters just feel like your personality is not necessarily very like I'm just going to be texting

Brian Atlasyou all the time like I would feel like I would kind of get that Vibe I'm like text the only reason I would text is to be like okay here's the plan I'll see

Brian Atlasyou here this time I'm not going to be like oh um how was your day let's have a 1 hour conversation that was my last one real quick last one okay

Andrew WilsonI is this a man or a woman it's not what you said it's how you said it show of hands if that's a

Brian Atlasman show of hands if that's a woman yeah what have you done for me

Brian Atlaslately um yeah good you know it's a good talk good talk any Cena what else you got you got anything on this or is it you know sassy you said sassy there's so I'm kind of

Kylasassy yeah so you understand sometimes I can be sassy yeah but mostly it's the girl I've dated a guy who my ex was extremely dramatic but I wouldn't say

Brian Atlasmore dramatic than was females yeah uh Cena you said Size Doesn't truly matter yeah are you talking about penis size

Katie Valentineit doesn't okay I disagree you're a size queen not necessarily a size women I don't I don't I think it matters you think it m just uh going around the

Brian Atlastable does size matter uh-uh no no nope I'd be lying if that it does matter it does matter okay yes does

Brian Atlasmatter yeah yeah no so wait uh yes yes yes yes for those of you who said yes um now I could see a girl saying like H if

Brian Atlashe's got a micro penis then but like are you saying that like would you be dissatisfied if he was

Brian Atlasaverage that would depend on the abilities Aver like I think you could like I think average is like 5 in not particularly

Jasminegirthy it's a no for me no go okay no no go no if it's not girthy then if it's not girthy but if it's five and girth

Amandathen yes if it's five no girth then no I mean I'm going to stick with my answer if Size Matters average girth I guess I don't I don't think I'm above average but I a size Matters for me so

Brian Atlasokay I think it matters in the sense of what you were saying like micro um yeah average is fine average would be fine so for you three then unless uh or I guess

Brian AtlasI'll include you on this um why don't you here show with your hands what you consider to be like what do what what do

Katie Valentineyou consider is average and then what do you want what do I average I think you said five is average right five yeah but you said average no bueno yeah no but I'm

Brian Atlasnot going to like put my hands up but I'm like okay inch just just tell us inches then okay seven eight okay so like one % of men I guess okay like as big as the cup is fine like that's what

Jasminehold on wide not wide not wide no no no tall tall wait can somebody um I think it's five these are like this is this is no

Amandabro that's no that's five that's five that's five in hold on let me measure I'm meas getting I'm because inquiring minds need to know

Brian Atlasthe size I got measur tape right here up bro all right let's I'm I won't touch the part there's no way that's what that is it's like six that's what I said I

Brian Atlassaid it's six it's I don't know if they can see but it's uh it's yeah even if it was like that's that's an inch that's an inch and then girth won't you show us

Jasminethe girth um so like just just you know at least at least like that is is okay oh at least oh okay at least like that but I've SE I've experienced like you

Jasmineknow and it it just it's painful straighten your mic again it's just it's just painful so it's painful if it's small for no no girth wise if it's like

Katie Valentinethin oh too wait if it's too thin she's saying say it's too long and too long and too thin then it's pain it's painful if it's too thin yeah for the female it's it's not that she's saying like if

Katie Valentineit's longer than thicker that's kind of like what she's saying just how would that be that doesn't make if it's a 6 inch and thin versus 6 inch and girthy most girls actually prefer

Jasminegirth no I know but how would it be painful needle when you get a needle you can't feel are you what need I'm sorry

Jasminelet me just to just to clarify let me just explain with my experience it was it was like at the least 4 in and I was like cool I'm not judging nothing we're

Jasminecool I I [ __ ] with you but it wasn't it was fairly thin it was like I want to say like that and that's probably average it wasn't it was like it it was

Brian Atlasjust a painful experience in the moment why would that be wait what did he have like a [ __ ] razor blade on his penis how the [ __ ] would that be

Jasminepainful it wasn't it was like it felt yeah like Pokey that's the best way to explain it that literally makes no sense it does it doesn't even make sense yeah

Jasmineit it if you had a cervix you might understand yeah sure if if you had like a a wide a wide Pro wait so it hurt because it was hitting your cervix no

Brian Atlasjust the the the like friction of it and I get it like it just I can't man you should see OBG something's wrong with your you got can't explain it no cuz my

Jasmineman now is great and we have like amazing sex so that was the only experience what about you uh I guess the minimum size or whatever I mean into the mic please into the mic

Amandauh I mean I think that uh the cup is a pretty good rendition in terms of length uh and proportionate that would be minimum though average is minimum for

Amandame proportionate to the rest of itth yeah length or girth I want the girth proportionate to the length so like I don't want it to be but if you

Andrew Wilsonhad to choose oh if I had to choose between no never mind you want the girth proportionate to the length like 6 in long and 6 in wide no like I want it I

Amandawant it to be cuz right we're saying like a minimum is what he asked me and so I don't want I don't want that that's not

Brian Atlasproportionate okay so I want it like wait what no wait so just to be clear if uh if the guy was like 5 and a half

Jasmineinches and like average girth done probably be fine done deal done deal done no that's fine no that but that's below what you want no but I said I'd be

Jasminefine with even 4 in and average girth if it's average if the girth is average then that's fine I'm not judging that's cool cuz if you got motion then that's cool we're we're rocking that's fine

Brian Atlasthat you tell me the question again I'm sorry I was listening so is it like done deal if like average no I no okay but done deal for you yeah so like let's say

Brian Atlasyou're hooking up with a guy like first time and then like do you stop the hookup or do you do it I think I don't think I would stop I think that's kind of [ __ ] up so you would still [ __ ] him or you wouldn't

Katie Valentinewell I mean if we're already I'm kind of already in the process of that right if I'm getting to see like the size of he takes it out and then I'm like never mind we're good like no I wouldn't do that to someone okay so you'd go through

Katie Valentineway it's a so it's a Pity [ __ ] I might try to like you know they don't know that I don't know finesse the situation or something but I'm not just going to be like eh you're not cutting it like we can't do this anymore but so

Brian Atlaslike you you might [ __ ] and but then there won't be a second like it's over

Amandayeah I I think damn bro yall superficial as fun sexual compatibility matters so like it really truly does if you're going to be with imagine if you're excited then a girl has like no labia what would you do would you leave her

Brian Atlasthere on the bed by herself I mean look I look I maybe I shouldn't talk on this subject wait can you wait hold on what that's weird that hold on I'm just

Brian Atlaschecking something on the twitch thing one sec what the hell one sec guys is it g why is it why is it so low normally it's like I don't know whatever

Brian Atlasokay uh New Creation thank you for the gifted sub yeah I mean like but the thing is like I'll date I'll date a girl with an any I prefer Audi you you know what I

Emily (Inula)mean but is it a deal breaker if she has an any no it's not a deal breaker if she has an any no does color matter of like the Leia because great question yeah

Katie Valentinebecause kind of like is it pink but what if it isn't I don't care I also think that's different though because the comparison is not the same the way dick

Katie Valentinefeels versus just labia is word sorry is different you're say like cuz it was based on preference right but I'm just saying like our preference is different because it's how it feels not just how

Brian Atlasit looks and what's attractive there's a different feeling kind of too for color if no if it's an Audi no if it's an Audi there's a

Brian Atlasdifferent there's a bit of a different sensation I guess you can say but I'll agree with you that like yeah it's not it's not really going to have a massive it's a very

Katie Valentineminimal um what's a better word minimal NE negligible difference yeah and I feel like for women too it's like it it it matters if you you might not

Katie Valentinecare if it's long or thick or whatever but like it's just different for women like it feels what feels good for her would feel different for her you know so I just feel like it's a little bit harder to compare that yeah well and

Brian Atlasthis kind of and we won't Linger on this one too long but this goes into one of the questionnaire things uh do you disagree if women care more about looks than men do a couple of you circled on that one and I do think in this is one

Brian Atlasof the arguments I make is that uh I think women care more about looks than men do because the there's a lot of things that women care

Brian Atlasa lot about that are completely out of men's control so the three things that are totally out of men's control that have to do with like to some degree physical appearance uh so like height

Brian Atlastotally outside of man's control hair like if he's balding a lot of women would have strong preference for men with full head of hair to I mean without like drug or surgical intervention

Brian Atlastotally out of his control and then like penis size which isn't I don't think that's so much like a visually visual thing but it it's a physical thing that women care about

Brian Atlaslike I don't think you maybe maybe there's some visual component like it could be psychologically stimulating in some way if the guy's got like a massive

Brian Atlas[ __ ] like a just just a big horse penis like just a just a tree trunk of a pen you know like that could be psychologically stimulating you know but I think like on some aesthetic level

Katie Valentineyou're not like I don't know you know what I mean whatever maybe some of you are I don't know maybe you see a giant no that's that's true there is too big there is

Brian Atlaswell okay that's not totally what I'm getting at but um in any case I think you guys care uh I think you guys care more than about looks and men do well you think sorry if you think about how

Kylalike uh you know like if you take a guy versus a girl swiping through Tinder a guy is more likely to swipe right on almost every girl that he sees that's somewhat attractive a girl is going to

Brian Atlasbe a lot more picky and they're you know barely going to swipe I've seen it with my own eyes with my friends both guys and girls yeah yeah that's actually you rais a really good point a really good

Brian Atlasargument on this one it's like if you look at you know women say oh I don't really care about looks and this this like any girl who's been on a dating app if you know the their swiping pattern and they might say oh will I uh you know

Brian Atlasit's I can tell it's like most people on dating apps even women aren't like doing a thorough investigation of the entire profile they're not like um looking at every single photo they're not reading the prompts like most people are like

Katie Valentinelook at the first photo and it's like swipe swipe swipe this way that way so yeah that's a really good point because y'all swipe on like 10% of dudes but I could argue that men will swipe a lot

Katie Valentinemore because they're willing to just [ __ ] yeah they just whether she's super pretty or she's not that pretty she can be average and they're still they'll still go out and pursue and possibly engage but women will be more

Brian Atlaspicky in that way and just to be charitable men will also even like men's some of men's strategy on dating apps is in to save time because women are really the

Brian Atlaswomen are the selectors and The Gatekeepers on dating apps they'll just instead of like oh wasting their time like oh let me pick no they a swipe on everybody and they let women do the

Brian Atlasfunnel or whatever and let the women be the deciders on the match essentially so they would swipe yes on a woman who they otherwise would not find attractive and not even have sex with even they're just

Brian Atlaslike so but I think if you were to do some sort of experiment where like the men had to like okay do you find this woman

Brian Atlasattractive I think most men appr more the majority of men will appraise more women as attractive than the reverse most women find like I mean we can go

Brian Atlasaround the table really quick what percent of men do you find attractive I mean I go for personality because well you don't so you don't care about looks at all I I do to a certain

Emily (Inula)degree how do you select then on a a dating app I usually don't use dating apps but but if you were to use a dating app how would you select after like what vibe does it give

Brian Atlasdoes he smile a lot does he well let's just make this easy then if he looks arrogant I would like like okay but let's make it easy let's make it easy I totally get that you care about personality but are you saying you don't

Brian Atlascare about looks at all no I do I do so whatever your like metric is or whatever when it comes to like looks I'm totally agree with you maybe you care about 1% but like that 1% is the first thing

Brian Atlasthat's going to come uh even if you don't care even if you don't care about looks at all and you just a factor for personality uh you still can acknowledge whether a man is physically attractive

Brian Atlasis attractive or not physically right yeah okay so what percent of percent of men do you find physically attractive like on a street or on a dating app

Emily (Inula)Street I would say 50 50 60 okay yeah 50 50 cap maybe 70 cap a

Isabellapercentage you would date 70% of the men that walked by on the street well assuming they had they all had good personalities I'd say if they were like most men are conventionally attractive I

Jasminefeel really okay all right there's a lot of men in the world so maybe I'm crazy but I'm saying like 25% 25% what about you I'm engaged now so done but when I

Jasminewasn't it was like a cool 50% 50% oh wow okay I'd probably say I'm like 30 to 40%

Andrew Wilsonall right saying 30% okay I'd say like 15 to 20% all right all pretty generous uh you guys a little yeah [ __ ] right

Andrew Wilsonyeah right that's a Brian do you have the um I I you know I never like the segment but this would be a good time to roll out the segment of the uh dating app where you could you could ask if

Andrew Wilsonthey if they would date or not date I would actually like to see that based on those I just don't believe it now for a second we could I actually I don't know if we who does he not believe I don't think we have like the login still we

Brian Atlasprobably got banned and we should have if we were going to do it we should have done it before because like you know cuz it's like if

Brian Atlassomebody's uh if somebody M takes a position they're going to try to conduct themselves and act in the way to airm the position even if they're lying about

Andrew Wilsonit you know like they're typically not going to like yeah expose themsel yeah so um so uh let's get into then what you do you know what you do in the future then

Andrew Wilsonyeah you ask him this question and then you get nothing but ugly men right and then and then just only go through the ugly men and then have them bite the bullet that they would date them just so that they can affirm their uh their

Brian Atlasnonsense right I like it that would be a good way to do it I like it I like it uh okay what else else do we have from Cena uh you can't you can't tell your partner not to do something if you do it meaning

Brian Atlasif your partner says I don't like that don't do it then they should follow the same rule what's the like I guess the context here it's like if you were to tell your wife

Cenalike don't do this because I prefer you wouldn't do it I don't want you to do it I think in return the men should also do the same like say I don't want you to go

Cenaout and party on Friday nights the men should also like stay home and not go party on Friday nights does that make sense so you're looking for reciprocity

Brian Atlasbasically reciprocity and respect I guess in a way I think that's fair although I like I kind of want to argue it

Brian Atlasbecause I mean I think going to let me just preface this by saying I think going out to bars and clubs parties is stupid regardless of your sex or gender

Brian Atlaswhatever mhm um I'm introverted I've done it when a bit when I was younger uh I just can point out actual reasons why I think it's like stupid and whatever so

Brian AtlasI don't think anybody should do it just on that basis but I think there's a difference because like as a guy you can go out to a bar or

Brian Atlasclub and no girls going to come and hit on you ever but as a girl if you go out to a bar club like there's a fairly high probability like you can like before you

Kylaeven go out you can probably like anticipate that somebody's going to come and talk to me you know depends on what you do with that though like me being in a relationship I have respect to my boyfriend you know we have a mutual

Kylarespect when we both go out you know we have boundaries and stuff and I'll tell a guy off if they sure come up to me just out out of respect for being in a

Brian Atlasrelationship the what I'm saying here is I'm not saying that because men women get approached it means that something's going to happen uh I certainly can be

Brian Atlasthe case the woman can go out and will never be um will never have any sort of Temptation or anything will happen ever although it's there's a higher

Brian Atlaslikelihood uh and an addition to that even if you have perfectly good intentions the men that goes to these venues I don't know what their

Brian Atlasintentions are you are potentially putting yourself in a dangerous position position as men you guys look to us to be leaders and protectors if you want us to be leaders

Brian Atlasand protectors you need to give us Authority we need to be able to have authority in the relationship and part of this would include safety assessment

Brian Atlasrisk assessment going out to bars clubs parties there's a lot of drunk men men do stupid or even criminal [ __ ] when they're drunk or these even if they're

Brian Atlasnot drunk these venues can attract demented [ __ ] and I mean I don't know why is it that that in these envir like in these environments you got to watch your drink somebody could put something

Brian Atlasin your drink that has nothing to do with your conduct everything to do with somebody else's conduct I don't want you in that position to begin with so if you

Brian Atlasdon't go to the club you've totally precluded yourself from being in some an environment where this sort of crime is likely to happen um

Brian Atlasin addition to that uh I'm trying to think what else um a guy could um try to like touch you inappropriately this if they're drunk happens all the time

Brian Atlasthat's not your fault it's never your fault uh I but I guess I would I don't mention to go to the bar with their girlfriend but if you

Brian Atlasdid go to the bar or club with your girlfriend then she's going to be like look to you to do something about it then you end up in a street fight

Brian Atlassomething happens to the guy something happens to you you got into a very dumb [ __ ] situation because your girl wanted a dance [ __ ] that [ __ ] if you're in a relationship you don't you don't

Amandatake your girl to Club you don't take your girl to the bar it's going to be a problem eventually can I respond to that sure so I think there's a couple points that need to be factored into to that

Amandadecision you mentioned at the beginning that you're an introvert you don't like going out to those kinds of places and so I would encourage you to find a partner that is similar um I've kind of

Amandabeen in this situation where um you know I'm married my husband has opinions about certain things one of them is that he's not comfortable with me traveling outside of the country without him um

Amandaand it's to a place that I have been before and this has been a topic of ongoing discussion in our marriage and while I can um have empathy for the

Amandaposition that you know he doesn't want me put in that position it also kind of discredits uh where I'm coming from and that I have a very strong intuition I think all women kind of have that

Amandafeeling when you know that you shouldn't be anywhere anymore um and that's not to discredit that there are stupid people drunk people do dumb things and they can expose you indecently but that's the same thing is saying like if if me

Amandagetting in my car every day there's the potential that a drunk driver is going to also get in their car and hit me so should I not drive anymore because there's drunk dri there a matter isn't

Amandathere a matter there of respect though there is a matter of respect and that's why it's ongoing conversation yeah well hang on let me just make the case and then then he can

Andrew Wilsonrespond um I I would think that there would be a matter of respect there so you're uh you as as the wife of your husband you are an extension a

Andrew Wilsonrepresentation in a way of him and him of you right um so you just even for appearance purposes if you're traveling out of the country and things like that I could see where a man could see that as being disrespectful if you wanted to

Andrew Wilsongo without him and that kind of makes sense right just the fact that I'm going without him well no no no no it's not the fact that you're going without him it's the

Andrew Wilsonidea that so he'll probably frame it like um why don't trust other men right it's not you it's not that I don't trust you it's that I don't trust other men who are around something like that is that is

Amandathat more akin to the type of conversation you're having yeah and also the distance is a fearful position it's like farther more difficult to get to me in the event that there is an accident or I'll just I'll break this down the

Andrew Wilsonbest that I can at least because I've heard this kind of go back and forth so many times it's not really a matter of him not trusting you or not even trusting other men it's a matter of him wanting to show you to show respect to

Andrew Wilsonhim and so from from his position is very likely that he thinks the most respectful thing that you could do is never put him in a position where he'd have to tell you not to do that in the first

Amandaplace so if I have been transparent about my desire to travel prior to our relationship turning to a marriage is that something that you know yeah I mean

Andrew Wilsoneven then right it's like the the the idea for men right the subservient respect from the woman is extremely important and it seems that if a woman woman would want to go out for instance

Andrew WilsonU like with her friends to a nightclub or something like that think you could trust her just fine I just think that they find it to be highly disrespectful just like if they were you know perhaps walking down the street and holding hands with a woman you would be very

Andrew Wilsonupset by that even if they met Nothing by that um well I I mean I don't know exactly how they wouldn't but the point stands right is like there's a different metric for what is considered respectful or disrespectful and if you're married

Andrew Wilsonand you go out of country without your husband uh for the for the purpose that you know what I mean there's uh he says distance he says this he says that uh but but he probably just feels like it's uh it's

Brian Atlasdisrespectful I can respect that position yeah um but so going back to this I don't know um in any case Cena I think

Brian Atlasyour point was just like both people should uphold it and I think what I was just trying I was kind of maybe rambling a little bit but um I think the point I was trying to make is that there's kind

Brian Atlasof differences uh I agree with you that like I would probably not date a girl who is interested in

Brian Atlasraving and partying and going to the club anyways um but uh I do think it's actually a good standard for a lot of

Brian Atlasmen that perhaps that this sort of people who participate in this sort of uh stuff might not be the most relationship-minded

Brian Atlasperson uh because when it comes down to it I do genuinely think that in terms of the differential here and the asymmetry a woman who goes out

Kylato a bar in a club is a bigger liability to the relationship than the reverse that's that's Rel probably one of the only things I disagree with you

Kylaon just because of being in a long-distance relationship you know we have to build that trust with each other and you know we both tell each other you know everything when we're going out who

Kylawe're going out with um you know and I strictly you know we both strictly go out to hang out with our friends and I we're both very conscious of who we go

Kylaout with too you know like I go out with you know my girlfriends that I know are going to you know stand up for me no matter what wait what what part do you disagree with though the it being a

Brian Atlasbigger liability for the woman to go out I think it's a liability for both people to go out but not necessarily so the disagreement is like precluding your partner from going out is that the disagreement or I mean if they were if

Kylayour partner had you know different like if my boyfriend were like oh you know I don't feel comfortable with you going to this place with these people I would respect that and how about period I don't feel comfortable you going out to

Kylaany bars clubs Etc period oh yeah then I would totally respect him okay so what's the dis uh like how you were saying like that basically like if a girl goes out to a bar that's disrespectful is that

Brian Atlaswhat you were you said she's a liability to the relationship more of a liability it's a bigger liability than the reverse because here's why I mean yeah to the

Brian Atlasrelationship it's a bigger liability because one of I think uh the hypergamous nature of women like women

Brian Atlasare much more likely to like potentially like you guys will trade up if the opportunity presents itself and like this presents an opportunity for that uh actually that's a terrible

Brian Atlasargument let me retract that um the the main issue the main issue is is that when it comes to when it comes to way that men and

Brian Atlaswomen flirt it's totally different so you guys would agree that well let me ask you guys this um how many of you here when you go out to a bar or a

Brian Atlasnightclub you will like actively approach and go up to like 10 guys in a night and try to flirt with them and sexually pursue them who here does that never ever have any of you gone to and

Brian Atlaslook I'm G to just preface this by saying

Brian Atlasum you got I don't believe this but you guys just go out to the bar and Club to have

Brian Atlasfun saying that have you ever gone out to a party or a bar or a club and you weren't like yeah I'm going to

Brian Atlasgo [ __ ] some dude tonight but you thought oh maybe in the dark recesses of your mind because you could never even comprehend ever having sexual interest

Brian Atlasin a man have you ever thought oh it would be nice if I met a guy tonight when you went out no really yeah you never thought I like

Brian AtlasI can't wait to maybe like have male attention tonight oh my God brever never at a bar or club or anything so just to be clear you've never gone out to a bar

Brian Atlasor club with I'm not saying you were thirsty not saying you were like [ __ ] on the hunt for some

Brian Atlaspenis but it never even crossed your mind like dry spell it'd be nice to meet like a cool guy tonight yeah it crossed my mind definitely like it's never been

Brian Atlaseven a part of your motivation to go out right I don't go out you've never been to a bar or club I've never been to when I was like 18 how old are you me well this is the context is going out to bars and clubs so I mean if you don't go out

Brian Atlasthen you don't go out but you've never been to a rave or a party so look I'll make the point though nobody here never been to you've never been to a social

Brian Atlasyou've never been to a social Gathering and you're like ah it'd be nice to meet a nice meet a cool guy really you guys

Brian Atlascan't you guys can't even cop to like having Ro or sexual interest yeah you're saying we've never done it God you guys all [ __ ] asexual

Brian Atlasaromantics oh my God you guys women can never even you guys can never even said I have why can't you just admit that you have interest in men why is that so oh

Brian Atlasmy God bro oh definitely have especially like when I was younger and when I was younger and I would go out like okay of course now that we've I you none of you even even granted me that you have any

Brian Atlasromantic or sexual interest in men when you go out to these environments okay I'll make my point when I'm out sure I'll make my point regardless where then where where do you guys prefer to meet

Brian Atlasmen on Twitch or you you prefer to meet them on dating apps and [ __ ] whatever okay whatever no the point I'm trying to make here is is that when it comes to

Brian Atlasgetting into a relationship we all agree we all agree that a man should stop pursuing women right yes mhm men should stop pursuing women it would be cheating

Brian Atlasright if you were in a relationship with a guy and he went up to a girl he approached a girl took the initiative and flirted with her right okay do women do

Brian Atlasthat no what do women do women put themselves in positions to be pursued they put them in positions to be

Brian Atlasapproached you won't slide into a guy's DM but you'll post a revealing photo or a photo or post something on social

Brian Atlasmedia what no we slide into people's DMS oh my go okay do I do I have to make the address the constant exception thing

Brian Atlasdo women slide into men's DMS yes they do do you do it at the same free how many DMS do you get per day me yes not a lot even as a of content creator you

Brian Atlasdon't get yeah no not like DMS people react to my stories okay how many DMs do you get one per day two per day three per day yeah two per day two per day

Brian Atlasokay and you've been on social media how long you're 23 two per day okay so there's uh you've had like two would you

Brian Atlassay you've had like 2,000 men DM you then yep not um you said two per day two

Emily (Inula)per day there's 365 days in a year in just one year that's uh over seven but some of them are the same like just

Brian Atlasdouble triple that's tting individual DMS yeah but not that often okay what it then what how many

Brian Atlasindividual men DM you like per week three a week three a week yeah okay so in a given year that's over 150 men who

Brian Atlashave contacted you offering you a romantic or sexual relationship essentially how many men per year do you DM I DM a

Brian Atlaslot okay how many me yeah is it 150 a year more and do you really and do they how many you respond not all of

Brian Atlasthem yeah all right whatever she's unique though we will say that's not like you're trying to make on the [ __ ] exception I hate these exception

Brian Atlasarguments it's such a waste of time it just totally every time these exception oh there's an exception it [ __ ] totally derails the entire conversation people can't even Grant the general

Brian AtlasPoint that's just widely known women do not initiate when it comes to romantic relationships to the same degree or same frequency that men

Brian Atlasdo so like I said what do women do you don't slide into men's DMS right you post a photo and then you try to elicit

Brian Atlascontact from men when it comes to modern dating we have a clear cut off on men

Brian Atlassaying it's cheating for you to use the methods in which you get women we say if you go approach a a man and it applies

Brian Atlasto women too for example if a woman were to approach a man that'd be cheating too the problem is is that women don't do it we're not cut we're only cutting off

Brian Atlasmen's system for getting women but we don't cut off women's systems for getting men and so the fair proposition would be

Brian Atlasmen need to stop approaching women and you women need to stop putting yourselves in scenarios and locations

Brian Atlasand positions where you can anticipate and where women would put themselves with an expectation they get approached this isn't to say you can't go to the grocery store even though men

Brian Atlasapproach you at the grocery store it's not what we're saying but when it comes to very specific social Gatherings and social venues bars clubs

Brian Atlasparties where the expectation is going to be that you're going to be approached and people are drinking there's alcohol involved there's drugs involved people will hook up at these venues they'll

Brian Atlas[ __ ] after these venues if you go to Trader Joe's you're not getting fingerbanged in the bathroom after 10 minutes of talking to some dude at Trader

Brian AtlasJoe's I've been to bars I've been to parties I've been to clubs I can agree with that I've seen some [ __ ] go down people be [ __ ] in

Andrew Wilsonthe middle of the party sometimes I take a slightly different approach here um so while I'm known for kind of giving logical arguments and this will be one

Andrew Wilsonuh as well I'm going to try something a little different I'm going to try to make make some emotional appeals and perhaps it'll be a bit more effective sure so the does any do do any of you girls who are here have any irrational

Andrew Wilsonfears are you afraid of things like a irrational fear of spiders perhaps anybody small space yeah small space any other irrational fears Heights heights

Andrew Wilsonyeah that's an irrational fear um and and perhaps you have uh bad dreams occasionally uh that give you bad intuitions that are kind of irrational as well happens often to women right I

Andrew Wilsonsee some nodding heads well what if you were to kind of suppose this also I think that often men are kind of left high and dry on this because we're often

Andrew Wilsonkind of looked at as being uh extremely rational logical and I think men are but they also have irrational fears and what if it's not a matter that they don't

Andrew Wilsontrust you uh but it's a matter that they have an irrational fear that the fear itself perhaps is not a rational one that you're going to go out and sleep with another guy if you go to a nightclub or something like this but

Andrew Wilsonrather they don't want to have to worry themselves to death with irrational fears just like with all the irrational fears that you expect them to kind of take care of on your behalf uh that you don't want to be tortured with you want to be comforted so that you don't have

Andrew Wilsonto deal with them then you would consider that to be a matter of of respect like let's say if you had a terrible dream or something like that with a bad intuition perhaps you just want to be comforted just like have a hug right have them acknowledge that hey

Andrew Wilsoneven though that that fear is kind of silly don't worry about it honey I still love you and it's no big deal right wouldn't it be the same thing on the other foot like couldn't we Grant a little Grace towards the irrational fear that men could have when it comes to

Andrew Wilsonsomething like that doesn't that make sense yeah fear is there maybe it's not completely rational but just like you want to be comforted and respected for your rational fears don't they also deserve that well I don't think at that

Andrew Wilsonpoint it would even be irrational because you know you see stuff happen all the time you know to girls um well I'm not saying that I think even irrational fears are

Andrew Wilsonbased in something of a reality right why are you so afraid of a confined space for instance well because you envision perhaps getting stuck in it or why are you so terrified of heights well because perhaps you envision falling

Andrew Wilsonfrom a great height and that terrifies you so that's that's based in a reality it's just the fear itself is irrational right but all those fears are still based in some kind of reality so because you have these experiences like Brian's

Andrew Wilsontalking about in bars where there's a lot of drinking perhaps you've seen some fights or seen some weird things go down the chance of that happening with your woman may be very very very small so therefore the fear could be very irrational but shouldn't shouldn't there

Katie Valentinebe a little Grace granted and a little respect granted to them for also their rational fears not just your own yes so if you were more of an extrovert and you

Katie Valentinedid like going out but you didn't want your lady to go out would would you honor what she's saying and say okay I won't

Katie Valentineeither because men go to the club to hook up with women women might go to enjoy attention or this or that but men go usually specifically because they

Katie Valentinewant to try to engage with women or hook up with women like I could say a bar is different guy friends go to a bar hang out watch sports whatever but clubs specifically I think men only go with

Andrew Wilsonone intention and it is to try to pursue women to the point of sleeping with them sure so if you had a man if you well I don't know if you do or not I'm sorry I it's just a hypothetical if you had a if

Andrew Wilsonyou had a a boyfriend husband whatever and he wanted to go out to a club right and he said honey you don't trust me right you you would say yeah I trust you

Andrew Wilsonbut right because you have this this fear right right and the fear might not even be rational completely rational but wouldn't it be very respectful of him to respect your wishes in that instance and

Andrew Wilsonsay you're right I'm going to stay home you know why why torture your mind with this irrational fear that you have when I can just help you avoid it all together yeah for sure I was just

Andrew Wilsonwondering if Brian agreed like so hang on hang on hang on so if that's if that happens in reverse then with women where men say I don't want you to go out to a club I don't want you to go out to These Bars I don't want you shouldn't that

Katie Valentineisn't that also kind of a matter of respect then that you don't do that on his behalf correct yeah I was agreeing I was just curious what what his ultimate answer was if his lady said I you know I

Katie Valentinedon't want either of us to go out to the club would he respect that or is he saying as the man in the relationship he's going to say you don't I don't want you doing this but I'll decide when and

Katie Valentinewhere and how I'll do this I was just curious if what she was saying he would he would do that in in a relationship yeah so even just to answer your question really quick even if I was

Brian Atlasextroverted I don't think any of my actual uh rational objections to going out to a nightclub change whatsoever so like all those stupid things that come

Brian Atlaswith nightlife don't change whether you're introverted or extroverted there's Pro probably extroverted people who also think nightclubs and parties

Katie Valentineand bars are dumb as [ __ ] but uh in relationship you're more inclined like say you you do enjoy going to the nightclub whatever and she's like well if I can't go I don't want you to go

Brian Atlaseither would you I think I mean I think it's fair well okay like the situation would would either be if I did like to go out to the club it would probably be if if I I mean I'm putting myself in the

Katie ValentinePOS um and she is the scenario she's asking me to not go out and she's not going to go out or well she basically said you both should honor the same practices

Andrew Wilsonessentially and if you don't want her to go out then you shouldn't be able to go out yeah I guess but isn't that Revenge isn't that isn't that revenge against a fear that one person has and the other

Andrew Wilsonone doesn't I thought it's respect no no no no I I I would agree with you if you had an irrational fear or something that really would bother you and that's why you're asking them not to but what if you don't share the

Andrew Wilsonsame fear but you then then you just demand that they do it anyway that sounds like Revenge I I mean I don't see it that way I'm just saying she just why would it be

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