Psycho Troll ASSAULTS Nick?! KICKED OUT! Single Mom Went On 30 Dates In 30 Days?! | Dating Talk #159

Date: 2024-05-08

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlissa (DT159)>

MMissy (DT159)>

DDiana (DT159)>

BBlasie (DT159)>

NNatalia (DT159)>

AAlexy (DT159)>

MMason Gregoire >

MMadison (DT164)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Natalia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Blasie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Macy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Mason(guest)

SPEAKER_11Missy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alexy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Diana(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alissa(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDiana reveals she was married at 17 for 14 years with 5 children: "I got married at 17, I was married for 14 years, I have five kids." Gives context for her intentional dating approach and 30-dates story.

QuoteDiana reveals she went on ~30 first dates in one month: "you went on 30 dates in a one month period" confirmed by Diana. Brian probes: how with 5 kids? Diana: coffee/lunch dates, controlled schedule as entrepreneur.

QuoteMason reveals he is a Christian virgin waiting for marriage. Brian acts as "legal counsel." Mason: "I'm a really devout Christian so that's really important to me." Partner requirements: Christian, virgin preferred, body count <5. June 25 AF ship date.

QuoteMissy accepts Brian's 4.5 rating with equanimity: "I rated myself the same thing so it doesn't hurt my feelings." Discussed her lost weight and ongoing body improvement since sobriety.

OtherGUEST REMOVED: Blasie removed from show after repeated sunglasses violation and trolling. During removal she grabbed camera operator Nick's phone, appeared to attempt a punch, and broke his necklace. Mason called out: "keep your hands off him!" Brian: "take take your seat — that was nuts." Nick confirmed he was okay.

ControversyBrian tells Blasie to leave calmly: "kindly just leave, all right — didn't really want to stay here for that long." Blasie calls all guests liars for denying the pre-show sunglasses agreement. All other guests confirm the agreement.

QuoteMissy's body count of ~60 disclosed: Brian reads from pre-show notes "you said around 60." Missy confirms "around 60, I don't know exact number." Clarifies: 95% were 1-2x encounters and 95% of sex outside relationships occurred under the influence of alcohol. Two partners in last 6 years since getting sober.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Brian introduces panel of 8 guests. Each states name, age, location, occupation. Alissa: 18, UCSB psychology. Missy: 36, Kingston Ontario, critical care. Diana: 35, St. Pete FL, healthcare entrepreneur, turning 36 Thursday. Blasie: 22, South Side Chicago, NEET, Twitter personality, flew private. Macy: 19, UCSB film/media, Bay Area. Natalia: 18, UCSB sociology, San Diego. Alexy: 25, destination wedding videographer, ~70 weddings. Mason: 28, mechanical engineer, Air Force.

Relationship statuses round

Brian asks each guest for relationship status, time single, and longest relationship. Alissa: single 1.5yr. Missy: single 8yr, sobriety/addiction backstory. Diana: new 2mo relationship (no title), single 5yr before, married 14yr, 5 kids. Blasie: "complicated" then admits pilot boyfriend. Macy: never had relationship, 4mo talking stage. Natalia: never had relationship. Alexy: 1.5yr relationship (longest). Mason: single, virgin, AF prep.

Diana: 30 dates in 30 days disclosure

Diana reveals she went on ~30 first dates in one month. Brian probes logistics (5 kids, entrepreneur). Coffee/lunch dates, sometimes Dutch, sometimes man paid. Dating 2-3 men simultaneously until becoming exclusive. "Fail fast" approach to filtering matches.

Makeup and authenticity debate

Brian challenges whether women wearing makeup is deceptive. Comparison to bald men wearing hats. Missy admits filters on photos. Diana: post some authentic photos alongside best-self. Mason compares it to lying about profession on dating apps.

Mason virginity and partner requirements

Mason reveals he is a devout Christian virgin waiting for marriage. Brian acts as "legal counsel." Requirements: Christian, prefers virgin but <5 body count acceptable. Biblical family order (Christ/husband/wife/children). Air Force Special Warfare ship date June 25. Gets many DMs from women; Brian jokes about vetting them.

Housewife vs. career debate

Brian asks: would you prefer to be college educated and work, or be a housewife? Alissa: finish education, would consider housewife if husband provides. Extended debate on dependency, planning for divorce, student loans, and finishing degrees before starting a family.

Police vs. critical care nursing danger comparison

Diana defends critical care nursing as dangerous. Mason argues police face more lethal-force scenarios. Debate on whether the jobs are comparable in risk. Missy as ICU nurse joins discussion.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Brian asks each guest to rate own looks 1-10 (no 7 rule was not enforced). Ratings: Alissa 6, Missy 5 (Brian: 4.5), Blasie 6, Macy 7, Alexy 7-7.5, Mason 5, Natalia declined. Extended discussion on honest self-assessment, social media overinflation, Missy's body image recovery through sobriety.

Beauty standards / body fat image comparison

Brian shows superhero and athlete photos comparing male and female body ideals and typical body fat standards. Debate on which gender faces harder-to-attain physical standards. Tim Chalamet referenced as example of thin male ideal.

Blasie removal and assault on Nick

Brian asks Blasie to leave after repeated sunglasses violation and trolling throughout episode. Nick begins recording per show policy. Blasie grabs Nick's phone, appears to attempt punch, breaks his necklace in struggle. Mason and Missy react loudly. Blasie removed. Nick is uninjured. Brian replaces necklace (~$20). Madison joins table as replacement.

Post-removal debrief and Madison joins

Brian describes what happened for viewers. Nick confirms he is okay. Panel reflects on Blasie trolling pattern. Brian plays pre-show video showing Nick's earlier sunglasses negotiation. Madison takes Blasie's seat.

Feminism discussion

Brian asks each guest if they identify as feminist. Missy: no longer (shifted via Jordan Peterson). Diana: traditional/first-wave feminist (equity vs. equality distinction). Alexy: gender roles, traditional submission in partnership. Natalia, Alissa, Macy: qualified agreement with equality, skeptical of modern feminism's direction.

Bumble swiping segment

Missy's Bumble profile reviewed on air. Panel swipes on male profiles. Discussion of age ranges, photo quality, and swipe selectivity.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest their body count. Missy: ~60 (confirmed from pre-show notes; 95% under alcohol, 2 people in last 6 years). Alissa: not above double digits. Diana: declines. Macy: ~2. Others decline. Discussion on whether men should care.

Chaos/TTS segment and show close

TTS at $20 threshold. Audience reacts to body count. Final thoughts. Mason congratulated. Brian cannot address all pre-show notes for Missy/Diana. Show ends with Twitch raid.

Transcript

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Macydone you know like you can do other but you can't necessarily just yeah hop back to it you know yep yep good times good times

Brian Atlasuh sorry no it's all good okay uh last okay lasting too long bad Friends with Benefits never works you've had the Friends with Benefits didn't work no oh okay you're just from your you see it

Alissafrom your friends from my friends and stuff yeah you said a situationship is only a situationship to one person and nothing to the other yeah I think if you're in a situationship it's only that to you and then the other person obviously

Brian Atlasdoesn't see it that way or else he would just take you serious you said there's a three-month rule if he doesn't ask you to be his girlfriend within 3 months of you guys talking he'll never ask oh yeah I don't think so because at

Brian Atlasthat point he's just dragging you along because you're going to let him well actually I think the woman should ask for the relationship not the man really yeah yeah I don't think so yep in what

Macyway like you like ask him to be your boyfriend like is that what you like should be on you and why wait why yeah both of you tell us well generally speaking I would argue now this maybe not might not

Brian Atlasreally apply to me because I'm pretty like I'll laser focus in and like I'll bring it there but uh if you're

Brian Atlasdesirous of commitment of being whatever if you want monogamy you want commitment you want to be his girlfriend you want him to be your boyfriend you should probably push for

Macythat well that's why women are scared because they don't know if the man feels the same way well better find out sooner than later right yeah but I think there's also like a stigma around it especially if you like being Rh what's

Macythe stigma like like a way people like view it at least how guys view it if you're like especially at our age like if you're in a talking stage with someone and it's like going on forever like to the guy you might just be like

Brian Atlassomeone he's talking to like if you're texting him first like he's texting someone else first if that makes I do actually want to give this advice to women um so you can just entirely avoid

Brian Atlasa situationship or just getting strung long or just being like used as a uh for sex um you shouldn't be do this thing of like well I'm going to wait a couple

Brian Atlasmonths and then like check in uh that's how you get into a situationship just be super upfront but ask him on the if you really you should only I I think women you should only date a guy who you

Brian Atlashave th who you see yourself having those feelings for who you will have those feelings for but you also want him to have those feelings for you so I think very quickly early on you should

Nataliabe like put the pressure on I did that and I got let on yeah I well he would guys crack under pressure and he would respond to me and everything but he just like wasn't there

Nataliaand also I feel like that's it I was I was like talking to him he was just responding that's it but if he scared if he scared away then I don't think he's really like

Brian Atlasdon't you want to like be with someone that like really likes you and you really like them do you want to be in the situation where you're like you're on the fence about them they are

Dianaon the fence about you don't you want that like Mutual like really strong desire yeah but if a man is initiating the first date or a man is asking for marriage then wouldn't the man also say

DianaI have I think I feel like I'm developing really strong feelings can we have this conversation like why is it only the I think it's obviously a mutual thing once again where you're communicating you're saying like Hey

Dianawe're really hitting it off and whatever and you may open the topic in the conversation but not necessarily being the one that's putting the pressure and saying when are you going to give me the girlfriend title or when are you going

Dianato like we we hear a lot about I mean I see a lot about it people women putting pressure on like when are when's the Rock where's the rock where's the and and there's like a negative connotation

Brian Atlasto it I think you know pushing for the you know that is a bigger commitment than just pushing for like let's be monogamous let's be exclusive you can ask that real quick as a woman yeah

Dianabut if we're not asking if we're not wired to ask those other things then how could you expect for us to ask the one in the middle do you get what I'm saying I am wired to ask those but what problem is that when I do even when I've tried

Missyto date a man who says he has these more traditional values and he's like oh yeah we're really hitting it off and he's so in and it's all the way it's like it's it's so mutual um then I say okay I'm

Missydeleting the apps I want to be with you like let's do this and then he's like oh this is a lot um I don't know if I can handle this and even the men who say they're so traditional and it's like happened to me this is why I've been

Missysingle for so long even when I've been trying to date again because they just ghost they ghost so it's really hard to find if the guy if the guy really likes you oh yeah sure if the guy really likes you and you start leaning on him yeah on

Brian Atlasthe third date and you lean on him like Hey I want commitment I want monogamy I want boyfriend girlfriend relationship and he's like I don't know He's Just Not That Into I think he kind of just wants

Brian Atlasto keep you around for sex for a couple months and then like I look I know it seems like whoa it's a bit too much too soon but if he really likes you and you lean on him and it's like yeah

Missyokay I might lose this chick like well the last time that I like hooked up with somebody it was kind of a situation like that and then and that was the time I decided I'm not doing

Missythis anymore like I'm not hooking up with some guy before we have this thing figured out like what we both want where where this might be going because it hurts like it hurts terribly when that happens and then you're right he just

Brian Atlaswants to keep you on the line for sex and yeah look and I think relationships can also develop on a slower timeline you can start out a bit more casual maybe there's even other people in the

Brian Atlaspicture and it could eventually get to you know something more serious it happens all the time but I personally I take perhaps maybe this is a radical approach like I prefer moving I prefer

Brian Atlasairing on the side of moving a bit too quickly than too slowly yes and so like if I really like a girl like I don't know you should go for it yeah I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to do this like fence sitting thing you know yeah and and I but I think women have't even should be even more motivated cuz like men like a lot of men hey if we can be sleeping with a bunch

Brian Atlasof random chicks at the same time not random but if we can like have a roster whatever they'll do it but like as a woman I feel like most women some women are fine with that I guess I feel like most of y'all don't want to really be

Brian Atlasaround with multiple dudes no I think most women don't want that I do not I could be wrong I don't know but that's why I think there's that's why if it's more important for you as a woman

Brian Atlasto get the commitment I mean I'm giving you advice for from for the women here like lean on lean heavy on the dude lean

Brian Atlasheavy all right I will anyways moving on moving on we have Macy here oh wait actually last thing with you you said you shouldn't be getting left on delivered for hours he just doesn't care like you text him and he's just not

Alissaresponding no yeah a lot of girls would be like oh he left me undelivered for like 15 hours he's just busy he's just like doing well do you ever leave guys on delivered or do you respond right away I'll leave them on delivered if I don't care about them yeah well so then

Alissathey don't care about you then exactly that's I know a lot of like my friends even who will be like making excuses for guys who will leave them on delivered for hours at a time and I'm just like he really just doesn't care

Brian Atlasabout you they'll prioritize if they want to it's just like any business unless they have like legitimate reasons obviously actually my perspective on this as somebody who's like incredibly

Macybusy uh yeah I'm leaving you on I'm leaving I'm not responding like hours guys aren't in terms of the people that they're on their phones like Psy deciding not resp some of them will be

Macylike Oh I'm just not on my phone like that like that's not true you just don't care yeah and if they really did care then they would take the time the two seconds out of the day that it would take to respond but I I definitely like

Brian AtlasI could genuinely really like a girl and like take forever I think it's different a little 18yar olds are very different sure uh Macy you said if you him on the dating app he's not your man you're just

Alexyon the roster but wouldn't this apply the other way around too yeah I think it would well yeah no like so so many of my couples met on dating apps I agree and I

Macythink from the college a lot of this is from the colletive it did start somewhere but especially with dating apps like T like Tinder like the people on that that are on there at our age they're not looking for like long-term

Macyrelationships and they are like not necessarily going on like first dates with people but they're swiping and talking to like every single match like it's not like and they're being direct they're asking

Dianaright away hey you're pretty and you say hey thanks DTF yeah really there are literally men that will sit at a table and super swipe no literally and I've seen someone do that I'm like what yeah

Macyand I think there has been like I feel like I've definitely been hearing about it more often like not a whole lot of people but some of my friends um that are a little bit older like they'll say that they've been like they met a guy on a dating app and they were hooking up for a really long time and then it

Macyturned into a relationship but that like really doesn't often happen like that's definitely that's rare yeah yeah it's rare and I feel like people who go on to dating apps like that and are like like religiously hooking up with this like one guy like he's probably also hooking

Macyup with other people and they'll think that it's eventually going to get there but like nine times out of 10 it's not ever going to get there the other thing you said you said if you hook up on the first day or night you're never going to be more than that sorry you was kind of

Macystern um my message um yeah I mean we were discussing this last night and I just feel like if they're going to hook up with you on the first date then they don't like really respect like they'll

Nataliaresp well you put it well sorry oh God I just said that personally like if I like hypothetically were to pick hook up with

Nataliaa guy I just think he doesn't like respect me and it's vice versa you know it's I'm not going to throw up stand and say oh like he should respect me or I respected him cuz I SLE with him for

Alissalike no I I that's my person personal opinion if you disagree and you think he respects you then by all means I agree honestly like if you're on the first date and he's like trying to make a move like that that's kind of like okay like

Macyyou don't respect me and it's on it's on the girl tooe I actually disagree on this but okay more experience little noow yeah I was just going to say like from the girls perspective too like if you end up doing it like you just have

Brian Atlasto understand that like it's not going to don't expect anym don't expect you can't expect them you're not doing that with like every first grade exactly well but here's the thing right it's not clear to me if you were to make that guy

Brian Atlaswait for the till the second date third date fourth date fifth date however long you make him wait obviously you know the some men just are not going to wait for

Brian Atlasexample like three months or something um but it's not clear to me that he would then take you into consideration for a long-term relationship even if you

Brian Atlasmade him wait I think and I've talked to a few guys and just to add one thing even the guy let's say the guy would want a long-term relationship with you but you

Brian Atlassleep with him on the first date it's not clear to me if that would be a like that would preclude that would then all of a sudden he would totally shift and not want to be in a long-term relationship with you yeah cuz there's I

Macyunderstand where you're coming from and I know we also talked about like the Box Theory like if he met you like you know they like people say like guys like they'll put you in a box when they first meet you like the girlfriend box or like the hookup box and it's hard to like

Macyswitch boxes um but just like even talking from guys that we like know that are our age it they'll even say like if they're hooking up with a girl like on the first dat and she'll like agree to hook up with them then she's not like girlfriend material like she's probably

Dianasleeping with all these guys yeah some people do have certainly I think that comes with age I think that comes with age honestly cuz I I also disagree I think I have plenty of girlfriends that

Dianaare in their 30s that have told me like first date sex and they've had like long-term committed relationships even married you it's just you have to use your discernment your discretion and see

Missylike is the connection there I would not advise most women to do that because I think most of the time it's not going to pan out into something like it goes both ways I think I think people are you like

Dianaespecially women I I was told to read a book by some of my girlfriends early in the dating um journey and I felt like everything I was hearing was like this

Dianapower play of women abstaining or withholding sex but only to kind of like egg on and get more and more investment from the man into the relationship which

DianaI don't necessarily agree with either like that's like a a barting chip I I agree with you on this I mean I've had most of actually all of my long-term

Brian Atlasrelationships I've had a fiveyear twoe one year like you know some some that were shorter 6 months 9 months I don't know if I call consider those fully long-term relationships uh all these

Brian Atlaswomen that I had good relation you know sometimes relationships don't always you know continue on forever but they can still have been good right relationships um it wasn't like oh let's wait 3 months

Brian Atlasit was like typically like first second or third date we had sex for all my long-term relationships and then I've

Brian Atlashad you know shorter term things where you know wait wait five dates and then doesn't go anywhere too so um I

Brian Atlasuh I don't I mean I think there would be better indicators than like how quickly I think the a bigger thing would be like where are you meeting them so like if if like you're at a uh like a party in ID

Brian AtlasVista you're at you know you're at a frat party and the guy wants to hook up with you that night yeah obviously but if the guy like if the uh the context in which you're meeting is perhaps like I

Brian Atlasdon't know you've been talking for a while maybe he um you met in class or something I think the context there is a bit different cuz you've built essentially a friendship or relationship I certainly wouldn't make somebody wait

Missyforever to sleep with me but I would just want to know it's going Beyond maybe one date I mean unless there's like insane chemistry but in my experience like I've had those moments and it did not pan out and I had hurt

Brian Atlasfeelings after cuz I can't sleep with somebody without having some degree of feelings involved it's just who I am yeah like if for example if I if I Med girl and I'm like I I like this girl I

Brian Atlassee potential long-term uh you know I mean it's possible after it's possible after we hook up then the crazy comes out or something but like right I mean I don't

Brian Atlasthink if I had her in the like relationship I mean I don't even have like a hookup category though for me like if I have sex with a girl I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to see her again absent her doing some crazy like postex like she'd have to try to stab me or some I don't know I guess I would say then I wouldn't see her again if she tried to stab me has not frequently been my

Missyexperience if I've done it uh quickly I'll say that but it's not impossible it just has not been my personal experience for me it wouldn't be but I mean like if there's an undeniable connection like of

Brian Atlascourse like you're I'm human and I would like to it's hard to not want to explore that with someone if you feel like it's there so but then I also wouldn't like refuse to continue seeing a girl if if she was like well I want to wait a

Brian Atlaslittle bit although I wouldn't I don't think I would be down to wait like some crazy extended period of time especially especially if she's had sex with guys quickly previous to me then I'm like

Brian Atlasokay hold on what's going like I mean you're entitled you're entitled you could you could have had sex with you could have had sex with a hundred men on the first date and then you roll the dice and you land on me and then you

Brian Atlaswant to wait until marriage you're allowed to do that as a woman to say well all the other guys I dated I them right away but now that I want a relationship with you I want to wait 6 months I want to wait 3 months there's

Brian Atlasnot a high likelihood that that would happen I feel like well actually there's a lot of well especially women involved in the church who yes used to be promiscuous but then now they were you know born again okay now you want to

Missywait until marriage um well the one thing I would say to that is that that's loaded that's a loaded combo but I agree but the one thing I would say to that is that um like like in that context I

Missythink it would really depend how recently in the past those like a million guys she slept with right away kind of thing is um how much time there's been between that because sure I think if somebody's having some like massive religious conviction like you

Missyhave to like you can't always hold somebody to their past or else they'll never grow and learn but I do understand you being like well why the hell should I wait if no one else ever had to you

Brian Atlasknow so I can understand both sides I do think you can you absolutely can hold people to their past your past has consequences now can you be redeemed

Brian Atlaslike if we're talking from like a Christian worldview you can absolutely be redeemed and turn your life around but men are not obliged yeah know

Missythey're to accept that and essentially be forced to no no and they shouldn't be and they shouldn't be obliged and they shouldn't be forced but I do think it's just you know well I mean there's so

Masonthere's forgiveness in Christianity but uh there's also the fact that like those things are still going to cause like those sins in your life are going

Masonto cause you hardship sin is negative in your life it's going to be negative effects are going to come with that yeah so you you have to understand both those things moving to Natalie that's how you

Nataliasay your name right Natalia Natalia you wanted to talk about after care what did you mean that we did these all together a lot of them are like the same basically like just like the concept of

Nataliaafter care like with hookups yeah do you guys know after care is he just tells you are you talking no like after you're talking like BDSM

Macywhat well I thought after care was in the context of like BDSM no there's like a con at least for like I feel like in Hook hookup culture it's like there's this like well it

Brian Atlasprobably originates from BDSM but okay so it's nothing crazy just so basic explain it explain it um okay so Aftercare basically is like you hook up

Nataliawith someone or you could even be in a relationship and it's like you have like a sex and everything and it's not just an immediate like all right like get up let's go like throw a towel on you no

Nataliait's like a cuddling like just like reassurance I guess bonding binging after it is love bombing huh wait why you looking at me man cuz you looking at me no you started you

Alexystarted looking so you're talking about like the expectations even if it's just a hookup like there needs to be a little bit something no I feel like we actually it's a hot take that like you don't want there's I feel like it's a really

Brian Atlasbig thing here for when you're in a relationship in a relationship that's different I if you're in a relationship yeah you should you guys are saying if you guys are hooking up with a guy you don't want the guy to like do all those

Macyaffectionate like postex cuddle like that kind of knows that he's not going to be like actually like interested in you after and like trying to pursue you in a relationship form and you hook up with this guy and he like

Macycrazily love bombs you like it's telling you like you're all this and that and then like the next day is just like bye like this is like not chatting you ever again like it's just I feel like a lot of that like just no follow through I

Macyfeel like it builds this delusion for a lot of girls that they'll like start hyping up this guy and then they're like hooked on this person when really he was just doing that to like do it in the moment it's it's not like a terrible

Macything so what would be some examples of like after it would be after you like sleep with a guy like you're there and he's just like love bombing you like telling you you're all like you're amazing and you're all this and that and

Macylike acting almost acting like he's your boyfriend for the night or what whatever time span you're in and then just like pretending like he doesn't even know you the next day like he's going to give you all this attention and all this like uh

Brian Atlaslike admiring you is it but so what's the context of the hookup do are you guys just meeting at the party yeah like they're meeting you at a party and then you're like going home like in that sense you know I'm assuming there's like

Brian AtlasAl there probably alcohol uh well I mean a lot of people like will do these hookups maybe they both men and women maybe it's pure I don't know uh guys

Brian Atlaslike cuddling too I guess but same with you like if they're like what's the example of after care that these guys are doing like what we just said like cuddling and like just being overly

Dianaeffective I don't think wait wait let me just and what about you no yeah it's the same thing I just don't want them to be doing that if like they don't care on their way so you would prefer

Dianathat they just get up and walk away like I would feel

Brian Atlasdiscarded anyway wait it makes you feel but so just to be clear you'd prefer the guy i' to just like like literally come

Macyand then just immediately stop stop and be like you can leave your outside the best form would be like pay

Nataliafor my Uber home like that would be like would be feel it's a hook we're talking in college context here this a hook up you're at a party you're drunk you hook up with this guy it's a mutual agreement that all right let's get on our way

MasonPretend This Never Happened but the thing is I think a lot of

Alissasad friends like fully expects it and she gets upset if he doesn't like provide after care but at the end of the day you met him at a party he didn't owe you after care you guys aren't well I yeah I don't think I don't think you're

Dianaowed after care but like the also the opposite side of that's like inhumane to not do it though it's like why are you even con think sexually there's no we also talking about in a sense of you're

Macygoing to a party you're just hooking up yeah obviously it's not going to go anywhere it's inhumane for them not to do it which like I do understand your viewpoint on that but I feel like it's

Macyalmost like it hurts more for them to do it cuz they give you all this hype that like they think you're like this and they're into you and then like for them to just like don't hook

Brian Atlasup I don't think alcohol should be involved at all like me neither I don't May once you're dating like I agree you have a night out whenever you both go home together kind of thing I think

Alissaputting alcohol in the I I mean I think it's but I don't know I philosophical definely the hot a hot take well for the but so you would prefer you just hooked

Brian Atlasup with the guy for the guy to be like you don't exist by I don't want it to be I don't want it to be too dickish but he's just like he

Alissaliterally like he comes gets up and he's like uh yeah you can go no that's like not the context we were talking about though it's like if it did happen where he did do that I'm not going to be like

Macyupset and like hold it against him because I you'd be more upset if he treated you no it's not that he treated you well it's that he like love he's love bombing you like it's totally F you just want him to be up front and

Missyclear it is love bombing if it's just sex what difference does it really make because I think the thing is we can Dude ourselves into thinking during these hookups cuz I've done them we delude ourselves into thinking like we can

Missyseparate our feelings if this happens or that happens or whatever most of the time as a woman subconsciously even if you're not aware of it you have those feelings innately regardless of whether he

Brian Atlascuddles you or whether he doesn't it's very hard to separate sex from feelings I think some women might be okay with this but I think it would actually be a terrible advice to give

Production Staffmen cuz like if you're going to just like they're not saying like disrespect the respectfully just like help her or like she can like like yeah

Macyrespectfully it would be like don't take her to bed if you don't have that's the ultimate respect I I completely agree with that but like in the context of like like I love Pop

MacyCulture say bad one way or like whatever this is just like a hot take we have and in like the context of how like IA Vista works and how like people in this community

Macyact as bad as it may it's just like we're kind of just saying like we like if you're going to do that you have to be realistic like as a girl like you can't have false hope that this hookup is going to and we are talking about

Missylike the delusion after TR situ hard for a woman to separate those that false hope it's very hard to separate your feelings from a sexual encounter no matter what you tell yourself you're going to discard her just be upfront

Dianawith it like don't like from from the jump exactly and let the woman decide okay like I'm cool with it or we agree with you we're just saying like that doesn't happen here either way it should

Alissabe a conversation beforehand I would think respect no like respect you should but like we're saying that as a girl you can't get mad if they don't yeah like

Brian Atlasobviously if it does this is like totally contrad yeah I'll just let me read this from Ben George he said trying to clarify or Alyssa could you read it oh yeah trying to clarify if the man is

Alissato pay for the first date because he asked for it is the man responsible if you get pregnant when do you bear some responsibility who pays the consequence a

Dianakid talking I don't know if I still really understand it so I mean if the man need to pay for the first day because he asked for it I think he's talking about like having to pay child support and stuff like that if the

Alexyfemale decides to keep the kid well sit you have consensual sex then you're both RIS people responsible for it yeah I don't know where it comes into

Brian Atlaslike paying for the first date situation but cuz a kid is not the same as a first date but like I guess where I'm confused is he's saying like if the man pays for the first

Brian Atlasdate like these are two separate things yeah that's where I'm confused so like one doesn't necessarily follow

Brian Atlasthe other like yeah doesn't even compare I guess I could just gen generally ask you guys is the man responsible if you get

Missypregnant is that the question I'm still confused resp responsibity yeah when does the man bear some responsibility I would say to

Missyan extent you know of course and it's like as much takes two people to have sex when you're going into it you know that that's might be a consequence to his point it takes two people to go on a

Masondate yeah so or you're saying because I I I'm not making his argument I'm just like yeah yeah but because trying to be as charitable as possible well Legally Legally in the event of a child both

Brian Atlasboth people would be responsible for child so sorry Ben George if that's not satisfactory but oh boy we got um hold on let's see here after

Macycare well what about if you're even dating the guy and he's your boyfriend but he's like oh that's that's different well you just mean like sorry I didn't mean to interrupt just like in the context of

Macyhookup culture cuz that is so big here it's like a falsehood and thinking that you're going to get more than you're going to get in a relationship then yeah after care is obviously important and making it it's like reassurance for you

Brian Atlasall right uh let's see moving on to Alex here you said that uh let's see looking at my notes here I'd love

Alexyyou wanted to talk about submission you're all for it yeah okay yeah I just think that it's

Alexyone of those things that everyone thinks it's such a terrible work word and I'm just on the side of like I would submit to someone who's worthy of submission

Alexyand that doesn't mean that like the Bowing video like right cuz you said Brian's idea of submission and bowing you wanted what did I say were you against it um or you're excuse me for it yeah

AlexyI'm for it I think that people just assume like submission means that like you're a slave that you're in a dictatorship in a relationship but that's not that's not my viewpoint like I think

AlexyI do I do agree with gender roles I do believe that men and women are created differently not you know ones more

Alexyvaluable than the other but um we are we are made with specific um roles to be fulfilled and that doesn't mean that like a boy has to like blue and a girl has to like pink like not like that but

AlexyI think we're we're supposed to be a partnership mhm although um the man should have the leadership role but that doesn't mean the woman is

Alexylike you know a zero in the equation right so um yeah I just wanted to touch on that I guess okay yeah I'm looking at

Brian Atlasyour other notes here you said uh marriage is not just a contract actually first height difference what was your thing on that I think I was listening to one episode once you you just asked like about height difference and people

Alexycaring a lot about that so I'm like I'm 5'10 like I'm a tall girl so that's always been something I've thought about I've always wanted to to be with a guy that's taller than me um but I will say that like as I've gotten older I've

Alexycared a lot less about that my boyfriend is taller than me he's like 6 two or three I don't know okay we'll go around the table really quickly on this uh how

Macytall are you and what's the bare minimum height 56 5'9 53 like 56 52 56 55 510 you say the minimum height that we would

Missyaccept yeah what's your height bare minimum height for Height's 5'4 and I sorry 5'4 and I would say like I don't

Brian Atlasknow 55 5'6 I'll take take it 53 and 56 nice okay we have uh I'm not going to be able to get to everybody's notes

Brian Atlasunfortunately so if any of you we could always have you some of you back to hit on everything but I will try to hit on a few for you to a few of your things and

Brian Atlasthen we will try to wrap up here soon so let's see we have uh Diana what you mentioned something about fail fast girl what's that um well you were kind of

Dianalike talking about it even like you get to know someone you kind of explore like are we potentially a good match or not if not then done move on to like the next person to get to know them see if they're good match da whereas other

Dianapeople kind of just like prolong you know the dating process so so what is the fail what does that mean to be a fail fast girl well my I mean my girlfriends called me that in

Dianathe beginning cuz they were like you need to give a you need to give guys a lot more time and whatnot and my position was I've gotten to know them in a conversation like I'm not interested there's no reason for me to give more

Brian Atlastime or dedicate more time to this you know dating situation okay uh let's see here then uh

Brian Atlasfield uh looking at some of my notes I might come back to some of your stuff here in just a sec Missy you said that you made a lot of bad decisions you're promiscuous you do

Brian Atlasagree with a lot of what podcast is saying but I also think you say you also think that we fail to point out that everyone has character flaws even if they have low body counts and more importantly that there are ways that

Brian Atlaswomen and men but especially women can redeem themselves if you ever want to oh you'd be thrilled to okay uh you said your former farle now politically Moder conservative former feminist now someone

Brian Atlaswho falls between Center and traditional um I think we already talked about the Redemption thing uh

Brian Atlasso I mean I don't know where what really the argument is but so um for example even if a woman has changed her life and

Brian Atlasstopped being promiscuous um I think a man can absolutely consider a woman's past promiscuity even if she stopped being promiscuous and disqualify her as a

Missypotential partner do you disagree with that I don't disagree with that but I do think that um I think that like context in that situation matters in terms of like is she screwing around people like

Missya week ago like is is her promiscuous past like a week or a month ago or whatever like how long ago it is sure um I would also say like what she has done to sort of change her life but I do also

Missythink like a man's past is if he's been like promiscuous is as relevant in my opinion um I would I would consider like if a man's been with like 200 women I

Missywould also want to maybe disqualify him but I think it's like worthy of having a conversation I I think like some people do grow and change I think a lot of people don't and they carry a lot of

Brian Atlasthat baggage with them um yeah I I think that's and you said in the pre-show notes although I do have a high body count you said around 60 y uh I haven't actually had a lot of uh sex because the

Brian Atlasvast majority of those were maybe once or twice a person 95% of the sex you've had outside of a relationship was under the influence of alcohol yeah um I think that like like in that sense

Missylike you you guys have talked about parabond maybe not so much tonight but in the past um I feel like alcohol like sort of inhibits that a little bit like I personally don't really think of the people I've been with I don't feel like

MissyI have these like these horrible ties to them that I just can't shake or anything like like that I don't know if I would carry all that into my relationship I think I've done in eight years of being single even if some of that I was still

Missyin addiction I've done a lot of work on myself and self-reflection to figure out what I've been doing wrong um I think a lot of people don't take that time they just jump from relationship to relationship or person to person and

Missyyeah so I take accountability for my past I totally do I wish I could change it I wish I did something different but I didn't and I hope a man doesn't hold that against me someday God it and I have so many notes from you

Brian Atlasunfortunately it's so late we can't if you're down we'd love to have you back sometime and I I can make you a commitment that we'd be able to get through much more of it I mean same with you potentially but just for you two

Brian Atlassince I have I wasn't able to get through all your notes just so I can give you each one last thing I guess um is there one specific topic or anything that you did provide in your notes that you would like to talk about and then I'll have you go after if there's one last thing that each of you would like

Missyto hit on I guess that I would just want to say like in terms of um where we're at as a culture and a society with this hookup culture and modern dating I think that men need to have as much responsibility as women even if women

Missyare The Gatekeepers of sex I think the way men conduct themselves in terms of trying to acquire that sex is as important as the women who are not gatekeeping so I think we're all responsible for the mess run and it's going to take all of us to live a little

Dianadifferently and to do things a little differently to change the mess we're in okay all right and anything from you um I think my like biggest and final

Dianathought and honestly like what I stand for the most is um I'm hoping that you know men as well but women specifically because I am a woman and I speak for

Dianamyself that they really do you know get educated um learn about covert abuse learn about narcissistic abuse learn about healthy relationship communication

Dianastrategies things like that um that way you can actually approach dating in a safe and in a um productive more productive way that way you know you

Dianahave you you have less traumas that you bring into your later adult life you know so that's one one thing that I would say that I've really learned from

Brian Atlasmy like Fast and Furious dating experience that's fair that's fair okay we're going to do a 10minute segment here actually wait before I do that uh

Brian Atlashere we'll do it really quick uh we're going to do a chaos called the whatever chaos segment TTS is now $20 for the last 10 minutes of the show so if any of you psychos out there want to send anything in uh the trigger is now $20

Brian Atlaswe'll do that for 10 minutes then we're going to wrap um if you can switch it up on Twitch for any of the mods let me just make sure I change everything on here uh so you said uh body count 60

Brian Atlasplus yeah uh no around 60 just right around question for the ladies uh would you object to a man caring about body count and I guess starting with you and then we'll go around the table caring caring a what caring about oh a woman's

Brian Atlasbody count your body count do I think they should care do you would you object to it would you feel like that shouldn't matter it's insecure no I wouldn't you don't object I would not object to it I don't care therefore I think they should

Brian Atlasnot care oh you don't care about a man's body count therefore so you would object then to if I understand correctly you would object to a man caring about body

Brian Atlascount yeah okay you would object to it um so you think men shouldn't care about a woman's body I think

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MacyMcChicken what the that crazy glasses I wouldn't I wouldn't object unless like if they had a really high one and then they were like upset about with their girlfriend she had a

Alexyhigh one I think that's like unfair and I would object yes but otherwise I wouldn't no totally you don't object okay so sorry ask the question again there's like so is it a problem if he

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Brian Atlasum hold on one sec I'm getting a couple things changed up here we're doing this any while that's oh uh not yet hold on uh okay so going around the table once

Brian Atlasmore what's your body count starting with you well I said around 60 I don't know exact number I'm guessing that's that's it um I don't want to dis close do you want to give a if you don't want to give an exact number are you cool

Alissawith like a range like there's no range it's not like above double digits I just don't want to talk I don't want to say it nope wait but hold on I thought me it

Dianadoesn't matter it doesn't matter and this is why I'm not going to talk about it obviously if I talk about it with anyone it would be my person okay can I make a little Amendment and just say but I haven't slept with I SLE with two

Missypeople in six years I just want to be clear it's not like a very recent thing uh going around the table with the question this a pass is this a pass

MacyMaddie okay what about you I it's it's only two two two okay no Comet pass R range zero

Missycomets pass range range I give you opportunity for range no so I'm the only one who bared her soul are you going to give us a range Brian oh I don't share my body cam yes

Missythat's the one thing I already clear I fully object to that because I feel like if it's relevant and to ask people you should be Nate donated $20 to the Future

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