Psycho Troll ASSAULTS Nick?! KICKED OUT! Single Mom Went On 30 Dates In 30 Days?! | Dating Talk #159

Date: 2024-05-08

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlissa (DT159)>

MMissy (DT159)>

DDiana (DT159)>

BBlasie (DT159)>

NNatalia (DT159)>

AAlexy (DT159)>

MMason Gregoire >

MMadison (DT164)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Natalia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Blasie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Macy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Mason(guest)

SPEAKER_11Missy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alexy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Diana(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alissa(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDiana reveals she was married at 17 for 14 years with 5 children: "I got married at 17, I was married for 14 years, I have five kids." Gives context for her intentional dating approach and 30-dates story.

QuoteDiana reveals she went on ~30 first dates in one month: "you went on 30 dates in a one month period" confirmed by Diana. Brian probes: how with 5 kids? Diana: coffee/lunch dates, controlled schedule as entrepreneur.

QuoteMason reveals he is a Christian virgin waiting for marriage. Brian acts as "legal counsel." Mason: "I'm a really devout Christian so that's really important to me." Partner requirements: Christian, virgin preferred, body count <5. June 25 AF ship date.

QuoteMissy accepts Brian's 4.5 rating with equanimity: "I rated myself the same thing so it doesn't hurt my feelings." Discussed her lost weight and ongoing body improvement since sobriety.

OtherGUEST REMOVED: Blasie removed from show after repeated sunglasses violation and trolling. During removal she grabbed camera operator Nick's phone, appeared to attempt a punch, and broke his necklace. Mason called out: "keep your hands off him!" Brian: "take take your seat — that was nuts." Nick confirmed he was okay.

ControversyBrian tells Blasie to leave calmly: "kindly just leave, all right — didn't really want to stay here for that long." Blasie calls all guests liars for denying the pre-show sunglasses agreement. All other guests confirm the agreement.

QuoteMissy's body count of ~60 disclosed: Brian reads from pre-show notes "you said around 60." Missy confirms "around 60, I don't know exact number." Clarifies: 95% were 1-2x encounters and 95% of sex outside relationships occurred under the influence of alcohol. Two partners in last 6 years since getting sober.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Brian introduces panel of 8 guests. Each states name, age, location, occupation. Alissa: 18, UCSB psychology. Missy: 36, Kingston Ontario, critical care. Diana: 35, St. Pete FL, healthcare entrepreneur, turning 36 Thursday. Blasie: 22, South Side Chicago, NEET, Twitter personality, flew private. Macy: 19, UCSB film/media, Bay Area. Natalia: 18, UCSB sociology, San Diego. Alexy: 25, destination wedding videographer, ~70 weddings. Mason: 28, mechanical engineer, Air Force.

Relationship statuses round

Brian asks each guest for relationship status, time single, and longest relationship. Alissa: single 1.5yr. Missy: single 8yr, sobriety/addiction backstory. Diana: new 2mo relationship (no title), single 5yr before, married 14yr, 5 kids. Blasie: "complicated" then admits pilot boyfriend. Macy: never had relationship, 4mo talking stage. Natalia: never had relationship. Alexy: 1.5yr relationship (longest). Mason: single, virgin, AF prep.

Diana: 30 dates in 30 days disclosure

Diana reveals she went on ~30 first dates in one month. Brian probes logistics (5 kids, entrepreneur). Coffee/lunch dates, sometimes Dutch, sometimes man paid. Dating 2-3 men simultaneously until becoming exclusive. "Fail fast" approach to filtering matches.

Makeup and authenticity debate

Brian challenges whether women wearing makeup is deceptive. Comparison to bald men wearing hats. Missy admits filters on photos. Diana: post some authentic photos alongside best-self. Mason compares it to lying about profession on dating apps.

Mason virginity and partner requirements

Mason reveals he is a devout Christian virgin waiting for marriage. Brian acts as "legal counsel." Requirements: Christian, prefers virgin but <5 body count acceptable. Biblical family order (Christ/husband/wife/children). Air Force Special Warfare ship date June 25. Gets many DMs from women; Brian jokes about vetting them.

Housewife vs. career debate

Brian asks: would you prefer to be college educated and work, or be a housewife? Alissa: finish education, would consider housewife if husband provides. Extended debate on dependency, planning for divorce, student loans, and finishing degrees before starting a family.

Police vs. critical care nursing danger comparison

Diana defends critical care nursing as dangerous. Mason argues police face more lethal-force scenarios. Debate on whether the jobs are comparable in risk. Missy as ICU nurse joins discussion.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Brian asks each guest to rate own looks 1-10 (no 7 rule was not enforced). Ratings: Alissa 6, Missy 5 (Brian: 4.5), Blasie 6, Macy 7, Alexy 7-7.5, Mason 5, Natalia declined. Extended discussion on honest self-assessment, social media overinflation, Missy's body image recovery through sobriety.

Beauty standards / body fat image comparison

Brian shows superhero and athlete photos comparing male and female body ideals and typical body fat standards. Debate on which gender faces harder-to-attain physical standards. Tim Chalamet referenced as example of thin male ideal.

Blasie removal and assault on Nick

Brian asks Blasie to leave after repeated sunglasses violation and trolling throughout episode. Nick begins recording per show policy. Blasie grabs Nick's phone, appears to attempt punch, breaks his necklace in struggle. Mason and Missy react loudly. Blasie removed. Nick is uninjured. Brian replaces necklace (~$20). Madison joins table as replacement.

Post-removal debrief and Madison joins

Brian describes what happened for viewers. Nick confirms he is okay. Panel reflects on Blasie trolling pattern. Brian plays pre-show video showing Nick's earlier sunglasses negotiation. Madison takes Blasie's seat.

Feminism discussion

Brian asks each guest if they identify as feminist. Missy: no longer (shifted via Jordan Peterson). Diana: traditional/first-wave feminist (equity vs. equality distinction). Alexy: gender roles, traditional submission in partnership. Natalia, Alissa, Macy: qualified agreement with equality, skeptical of modern feminism's direction.

Bumble swiping segment

Missy's Bumble profile reviewed on air. Panel swipes on male profiles. Discussion of age ranges, photo quality, and swipe selectivity.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest their body count. Missy: ~60 (confirmed from pre-show notes; 95% under alcohol, 2 people in last 6 years). Alissa: not above double digits. Diana: declines. Macy: ~2. Others decline. Discussion on whether men should care.

Chaos/TTS segment and show close

TTS at $20 threshold. Audience reacts to body count. Final thoughts. Mason congratulated. Brian cannot address all pre-show notes for Missy/Diana. Show ends with Twitch raid.

Transcript

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Masoncomment on like how uh our social media and how media in general portray men because the image that you're getting of

Masonmen is obviously pretty negative where generally speaking are like probably it's like we said it's more you'll meet a a kind-hearted man in in the woods

Macythan you will a kind-hearted bear I do agree that I think that um the what gets pushed out in the perspective of men is definitely negative and I think that's just cuz that's what like sells more and

Dianagets more views um but yeah do you feel like the reverse is also true like women get a bad rap that just because they want maybe a financially stable secure man that's going to take care of them

Diananow women are all of a sudden considered to be like super like materialistic and gold diggers let ask a question so if we just put a blanket statement like for example let's if we put men in this

Brian Atlassituation like would you rather I don't know if the bear thing is perfect but would you rather be in the woods with a bear or with like a gold digger well there's no threat there that's the thing

Brian Atlasso we have to find an yeah I know have to be something else but you agree that if men had this uh this uh Prejudice towards women being gold diggers would

Brian Atlasyou agree that that's sexist would you would you agree it's sexist if men had a prejudice against women that women were gold diggers is

Brian Atlasthat sexist towards men and yeah so now toward women you mean no towards men uh or wait from men toward women would it be uh well would it be um yes would it

Dianabe a sexist view towards women yeah I or well would the men be sexist to have that prejudice uh I I think it is yes because they're automatically assuming that the

Brian Atlaswoman is not capable of harm right like I think it goes the same way both ways so are women sexist for having a prejudice against men for viewing men as dangerous and unsafe and as Predators

Brian Atlassexism goes both ways that's that's all I was saying sexism goes both ways I'd like to hear from the other girls here because it's not clear to me if women are prepared to say yes I am sexist because I have this irrational fear of

Missymen and you might even argue that it's IR rational fear I I don't know like for that I would say like for a long time I felt that way I'm

TTS/Donationsso glad I'm not dating donated $200 there's a bear it's clearly about to attack you your choose your defense

TTS/Donationsa630 lb skinny sweet genuine average nerdy gamer or 65 plus 255 murder convict covered in tattoos

Brian Atlasfrom head to toe good question uh which one number one or two starting with you who would I

Missywant to defend me yes yeah um the larger man I would wonder about the murder convict because maybe he has some great

Missyself-defense question what I'm say answer the question doesn't have to be that deep it doesn't have to be that deep that's the answer that was my answer just Gerald donated

TTS/Donations$200 Alaska here laughing at those that choose the bear outrun a bear I can't stop laughing it hurts I know maybe she's a

Nataliatrack did not she did not we went on a run before and she could not do the run she was she was bears are like 1,000 lbs and faster than you sane bolt MH yeah

Production Stafflike I I would I would choose the convict to defend uh the first one cuz he's probably still strong enough to protect me yeah i' say the first one the 130 lb skinny guy I mean he's a man he's

Production Staffprobably still strong enough to protect he's never been in a flight situation you have better I don't want to be murdered yeah cuz what happened but they're defending you they're defending you you're not just stuck with them yeah

Production Staffokay then the second one I feel like I thought about it okay the second one was I changed my answer I mean I still think the the 65 gu is going to get up no yeah so I would pick the convict for

Masona totally different reason I'm going to probably bet that this guy's probably a little bit overweight and is not as going to be as fast as me or as you guys so all you have to do is just be faster

Production Staffthan him that's true I actually would pick the convict so like if the bear were to kill him like the bigger guy could like wear the bear out first I don't know about wear you'll maybe have time to get away he's preoccupied what

Macyabout you oh I said the convict after what you said because well because also if he's bigger then the bear is probably going to want like the bigger meal right while he's like eating that guy could like go for a the convict

Alexyyeah the what convict the convict okay all right I just don't get this whole uh I don't know I just think that the most gals that you're probably talking to

TTS/Donationsdon't really have like the context the shy guys donated $214 82 cents the real question is would you be stuck with a bear or with a woman

TTS/Donationsand why is it the bear you girls never had a survival training I would say this should be mandatory for everyone gustavo's hair

Brian AtlasR R I don't know if that makes any sense woman but I did I did pose a question I did ask okay so if men's Prejudice towards women being gold diggers is

Brian Atlassexist is women's Prejudice towards men being broadly dangerous or unsafe is that a sexist seist there's a degree of mutual sex sexism that happens I think

Dianafrom women though it comes from trauma answer question I agreed with you earlier that yes it was let's everybody answer to this starting with you yes yeah um I feel like it's also sorry

MacyI feel like it's also it's not necessarily SE well I guess you can't say it's sexist because we have this one view for men but I think it's engraved in our head because it has happened so much like if you with a woman who's a gold digger she's might be trying to

Macysteal your money but she's not trying to like hurt you it's not that we think that all men are like this it's that we have to take precautions to think a certain way because it's happened so many times well I mean you can rationalize your sexism as much as you

Masonwant just like the Southern States rationalized slavery for a very very long time or any like RAC regardless regardless of the rationale it's it was still racist I I understand so I guess

Masonregardless of your rationale you can still like acknowledge that it's sexist yeah I'll acknowledge that it's sexist but I think it has its reasons behind it okay

Missyyeah yeah I already said yes that's what I would have said you got the mic sorry that's what I would have said what she said

Brian Atlasyeah okay good talk I guess progress good talk uh there's one last thing we can pull up really quick Nick on this uh shout out to uh get that pulled up

Brian Atlaswhat's that private chat oh okay oh I don't yeah yeah pull that up uh shout out to uh the Tin Man on tinmen excuse

Brian Atlasme on Instagram pull it up when your he did a little thingy put us on the other side uh make it bigger

Brian Atlasplease make this bigger one more yeah uh okay man or bear yet another thought experiment go next all right so men have spent their

Brian Atlasentire adult lives being educated by dehumanizing social media thought experiments and this time it's Bears I guess they've done this before with other things next no scroll uh yeah that's fine women would you rather be stuck in a forest

Brian Atlaswith a man or a bear I want to say the man I really do but I can't shake the idea that I would be safer with a bear La the latest viral meme asks if one would rather meet a man in a forest or a bear next some people have even done

Brian Atlasmathematics to claim we would all be safer with bears it is however dishonestly phrased question next every year women encounter thousands of men and following these

Brian Atlasthousands of interactions around 0.9% of American women will be a victim of violent crime annually that's from the US Department of Justice from 2020

Brian Atlasnext so perhaps a better question would be if you swapped all 124 uh 124 million American men fathers Sons brothers friends and grandads with bears would

Brian Atlasviolent crime rates go up next yes it's because yes it's true 80% of violent crimes are committed by men but it's also true that only 0.2% of

Brian AtlasAmerican men are arrested for violent crimes each year that's from the FBI next and if you like Bears then here's another women are the primary abusers of

Brian Atlaschildren in America and it's mother only 43% father only 27% so which would you rather so which would you rather leave your child alone with a woman or a

Brian Atlascrocodile next Oh Boyz that the answer the answer of course is the woman because only a teeny minority of parents are abusive and the vast majority of

Brian Atlaswomen are perfectly kind to Children next so man or bear father seen identifying as a bear while entering family court in the hope he receives less

Brian AtlasPrejudice which would you choose so that's a great the Tin Men they're a great uh resource there on Instagram uh some great stuff on that so U be sure to check it out but yeah I mean it comes

Brian Atlasdown a bit to like encounters right I mean you have to ask like per encounter like think of all the men you've walked by that you've met that you've even hung out with privately that perhaps maybe

Brian Atlassome of you have encountered terrible men it certainly may be the case but if you were in the same scenario all you replace all those scenarios where you encountered a man replace it with a bear and you can even

Brian Atlasdistribute that proportionately to the type of bear because some bears are more aggressive than others but if you were just you know whatever the distribution is you know it's what 10% po I don't know what the distribution is

Brian Atlasum you get up by a bear I'm just saying the bear is the terrible Choice yeah no also on this if we were

Brian Atlasto place man with a racial or ethnic group would the question then become

Brian Atlasracist like racial ethnic group versus is fa like would you rather be in the forest with X racial like let's we'll just even say it's still a man but if

Brian Atlaswould you rather be in the woods with a bear or a or a black man would that be a racist question both racism and sexism right

Brian Atlasright well if it's racist it certainly has to be sexist

Nataliatoo well I'll just I'll ask you guys actually would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a black man a bear when you asked the question

Nataliathe first time I I envisioned like a big like strong old white man I did as well wait so you'd still pick the bear though yeah I initially said bear and it wasn't because of the person's race it was

Brian Atlasbecause it would would be because of their sex so okay no but I'm saying hold on I know so the question is I've changed the question would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a black man bear I get I stick with bear still stick

Alissawith bear okay um I changed my mind about it um the man so in the case it would still be the I'm going to we won't Linger on

Brian Atlasthis for too long I'll give a couple other fun scenarios here uh what about a uh giant lesbian woman or does that change anything no do you

Nataliawhat do you pick there the bear still the Bear yes what I'd choose her oh wait am I going in the can you yeah okay would you rather be in the woods with a

Nataliagiant lesbian woman she probably chops no I'm sorry that's or bear bear

Macyum the bear survival the bear okay all right still to I would like admit that this would be sexist but I would say the

Brian Atlaslesbian woman okay the woman okay what about hold on um

Macywhat about a gay man gay man no just a a gay man or a bear gay man oh interesting okay yeah

Production Staffgay man the gay man yeah I think the fear here is like the okay well uh what about also include gay man to just man that could be one of the random that's

Brian Atlasactually that's a really good point the random man could end up being a gay man could also yeah he could could it be like a I understand your

NataliaARG what about a woman serial killer versus a random man do I do I it's like do I know she's a serial killer so or

Brian Atlaslike she will be a serial killer well that yes you do know because I'm I'm asking the question but so Serial Killer Woman verse random man so you could get

Macya man with bad intention but you could also get a woman the woman fight her off what is woman like with a Serial does she have like a weapon or anything I can fight her off weap she needs more

Macyinformation I would go I would do the man cuz if I know 100% this girl's a serial killer I would obviously go for the the intention to be clear she wants to kill you I would want to kill her too oh okay all right what about you try I

Alissawould say the man just because I know that this like woman has killed other people before she's like capable yeah if she wants to kill you she's going to kill you if she has a weapon we don't know the intentions of the man so I'm going to give him like the best have you

Nataliakilled somebody I still take the woman guys I have trust I don't all right goam what if she's a lesbian serial killer that changes things then she could essay you and kill you does that change

Nataliaanything Still Still The I could fight her off what if she does jiujitsu I you know I had a I have a little bit of boxing experience what about okay just how

Nataliaabout um what about a man who is dressed as a bear versus a bear I feel there's going to be obvious difference unless the costume's really

Nataliagood man what about you the man why does the costume change it well they look the same I I guys by the way I have terrible Vision so I

Macyprobably won't be able to tell I my vision is terrible getting lost um it's the man in the bear costume is like okay yeah so a man who's dressed as

Brian Atlasbear random man random man in a okay furry I guess yeah yeah but what kind of be costume too you know

Dianaman it makes me think twice just because I'm like does he have a mental instability because he's dressed as a bear and is he really going to I agree

Brian Atlasthat i' go just the man okay and then all right we're going to move on uh really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you're watching over there

Brian Atlasappreciate it guys uh let me do a couple of the chats uh bring it back to hold on can I have you read this

Alissaone woman cheat Cod choose the man let him have his way with you so when you inevitably run into a predator anyway you can expect him to take you take the

Brian Atlashypothetical bullet and die protecting good wow okay um thank you thank you Nickelodeon uh goodness I'll touch on

Brian Atlasthat one too really quick actually uh would you want a man that you were dating to sacrifice

Brian Atlashis life for you take a bullet for you or no hold on let me reframe it would you not be willing to date a guy who was unwilling wait hold on is

Brian Atlasthis a double negative now I think so wait hold on would you or would you not date a guy who was unwilling to say down the road uh say when you're in love you've been

Brian Atlasdating for a while even married who would be unwilling to sacrifice his life for you say in the hypothetical scenario he can take the bullet or you can take the bullet but he

Alissawasn't willing to take the bullet for you would you date that man um I think I would expect him to protect me in that way if we've been dating for a long time yeah okay like it

Alissawould you so you would not date the guy who was unwilling to take a bullet for you yeah but I wouldn't expect him to do that if we were only dating for like a

Alissacouple months you know okay like it's like something down the road okay so like a year um I don't think I would expect him to

Alissado that like sacrifice his life for me after dating for a year mhm I would want

Brian Atlashim to but I wouldn't expect it h i i I wonder let me ask you a followup question he doesn't have to sacrifice

Brian Atlashis life but he does have to do something and in order to protect you he ends up with a um not it wouldn't be

Brian Atlaslife or death scenario but he ends up with oh is it is this one out of focus Nick a little bit the one that's on her I'll change it

Brian Atlasuh trying to think he like a disability yeah like I don't know

Brian Atlashe he loses a he loses a leg Yeah what what's the question he loses he loses a

Brian Atlasleg to prevent you from losing a leg oh leg for leg and what's the question yeah I don't know like there's like would she continue dating him even though he's disabled is that what you're saying

Brian Atlasthere's a car coming there's a car coming and like you're in the street and had if he doesn't grab you and move you out of the way your leg gets crushed but if he grabs you and moves you out of the way his leg gets crushed what's the

Brian Atlasquestion so which if the guy was unwilling to do that would you date him like to make that sacrifice God this I don't know if this makes sense but um I

Alissathink I screwed sorry what do you mean just you forget no it wasn't your fault go ahead answer the question that's like a hard question I I would be willing to date him still

Missyyeah uh well you're saying like we're in love yes I would be willing to date him if he wouldn't no if he wouldn't he would his I really don't care that much

Missyabout I mean of course like it's a nice thought that he would like you know die for you or whatever but like I would do the same for my family I if he doesn't want to I I just it's not on my top priority I guess so like you would date

Dianasomeone who would sit there and watch you get your leg destroyed or M by and not attempt to help literally for that reason exactly because I know I would do the same thing I would not be dating

Missythat person anymore like if you're not the same dedication and like to save me so or whatever we save each other I don't know I just think in that kind of a situation like people have all kinds

Missyof different reactions and do you have a problem with me like speaking no cuz she she went into the same she went into her reasons you guys are asking me questions so I just will

Missynot answer anything that's fine go ahead no just okay I answered my question yes I would be willing to date him still I said that if he if he wasn't willing to take a bullet for you yes okay I said no you wouldn't okay I wouldn't be willing

Production Staffto date someone who isn't willing to take a bullet for me cuz I don't think willingness has to do with like capability if that makes sense like say like in my relationship I appreciate

Production Staffthat Frankie and I would both be willing to die for each other MH but when it comes to in terms of capability like we've discussed that he'd be more capable to be mentally stronger to live

Macyon and take care of our children if that makes sense I don't know if that makes sense but what about you I feel like I wouldn't if I was in a place where I felt like I would be willing to take a bullet for them and

Nataliathey weren't willing to take a bullet from me then we wouldn't be at the same level of I guess love or dedication to one another so I would stop m I would I wouldn't take a bullet for someone personally so I wouldn't expect you I wouldn't so I wouldn't like you

Alexywouldn't expect it I wouldn't expect them to do it for me okay and you want to be a cop oh he got me he got me I got

Alexyit um I would not date a man that's not willing to sacrifice any at any of those levels for me and I think my boyfriend day one would have still jumped in front

Alexyof a car whatever he walks on the side of the street that's closer to cars right I expect that um with reciprocated honor and respect to him yeah but see

Brian Atlaslike I so the reasoning for the boyfriend walking closer to the side of the road is what protection r car he's the one from what so okay you would

Brian Atlasdrives up to you and snatches you because you're on the side of the road okay or if someone runs he's in between me and the thing that's most likely to cause harm you so you'd want the guy to like get run over by the car versus you he'd be in a better position to protect

Alexyyou from that at the sacrifice of him getting run over instead correct correct obviously I would hate that but I wouldn't want to be with a man who wouldn't do that now going back around this way to the

Brian Atlastable do you think it would be like less attract maybe uh you would still date the guy but would it be less attractive and would he be less masculine if he was

Brian Atlasunwilling to sacrifice his life for his girlfriend wife whatever it may be yeah unattractive no don't care at all okay yeah I think it'd be less attractive

Production Staffless attractive I think it would be less masculine actually I don't know because like it doesn't make me more masculine that I'm willing to take a bullet for the person that I love doesn't it it was

Production Staffattractive or not attractive though not NE Mas yeah sure it's unattractive but I don't think it's like you should expect it from like the start yeah updating it less attractive

Brian AtlasI don't know if you heard the question what was the question uh would it be a man who is unwilling to sacrifice his life for you is it would you view him as less attractive or less

Missymasculine maybe slightly not fulfilling his role um as like a protector but I I don't know I maybe because I've been independent for so long I take on that

Alissarole more myself so I just don't see it as like a deal breaker but yes maybe a little little I don't see myself ever being in the position to like sacrifice my life

Alissafor a man so I feel like it's kind of a double standard to expect him to do that for me if I'm not willing to do it for him so at the end of the day like I

Brian Atlasdon't see that as less attractive okay fair enough fair enough I don't know if we go full into this condo here if I reveal my position on it do you want to

Brian Atlasgo start going through some of the TS yeah we YouTube video tweets the tweets are out because well you can yeah um we're not going to do the YouTube video was there something else we were going

Brian Atlasto pull up trying to remember nah uh we need to do well I mean on this note um I think it's actually so if you're a

Brian Atlaswoman and you're like a traditional woman and you want a guy to protect you I think that's totally valid but if you're not a traditional woman you can't be demanding a man to be you can't be like upset if a guy

Brian Atlaswouldn't be willing to uh risk his life not risk his uh life for you y even if you would do the same for him mhm but like it's crazy to me cuz like

Brian Atlasthose of you who answered bear like you'd want a guy to you'd want your boyfriend to sacrifice his life for you but y'all pick bear over man well this is your boyfriend that like you love and

Alexylike you're devoted to and if not a random not a random man would go as far to say is that I would expect a man on a first date to act in that way to sacrifice his on first dat on a very first date let me ask you a question

Alexyexplain a bit further but I I have a followup like I would expect a man to step in and be a protector in any scenario if that's even if it means

Brian Atlaslosing his life on the first date yeah interesting now let me ask you a question though so we heard from her earlier that she went on 30 dates in one

Brian Atlasuh in one month time she sometimes she even went on two dates in a day um now do you think that a man knowing that you know for example let's say she she went

Brian Atlason a date with a guy it was the lunch date and that man knew that right afterwards she was going on a dinner date that very night with a different man do you think that a man in that

Alexysituation should sacrifice his life for a woman who's meeting multiple other men at the same time um I don't think it necessarily has to do anything with like

Alexya romantic relationship it's more of a man's role in a man's um oh so he should do it for a stranger even yes a man should even sacrifice his life for a total stranger yes let me ask you a

TTS/Donationsquestion you're in a relationship right uh your boyfriend would it be I'm so glad I'm not dating donated

TTS/Donations$200 if I was married to a hormonal raging entitled nons submissive 304 if someone attacked us and it was life or death I would shoot her in the

Brian Atlaschest so the attacker didn't have to live with the pain okay okay that makes a lot of sense so you had thank you I'm so glad I'm not dating good to see in the chat if you had a boyfriend mhm or sry excuse me you

Brian Atlascurrently have a boyfriend you've been dating for 1.5 years MH you would want let's say you do you want to have children with this guy one day let's say have kids right would you

Brian Atlaswant him to potentially in let's say he saw some conflict going on and he was going to do the heroic thing try to get involved he actually ends up dying by trying to break up this conflict trying say it was a woman he was trying to save

Brian Atlasa woman MH would that be worse or would that be better or worse for your family for him to go and die but do the heroic thing um it'd be heartbreaking but I

Brian Atlasactually you would I'm very confident that he would do that you would but you would still well let's fine let's say he would do that service would that be well

Dianathat's another Point like military people are doing that every Str and that's kind of like the thing one of the things we're talking about a different context here but mhm so that would no we would not be better off without him

Brian Atlasthat's the answer but you would still desire for him to do

Alexythat I think for the protection of someone else yeah I think that that is a Heart level commitment and thank you Duren huh I'm thanking somebody don't

Alexyworry about it okay um yeah I just I think that that would be what would happen and I know that and so hopefully Lord willing that never happens but I know that going into our

Alexyrelationship that that's the kind of man that he is he would so I'm like accepting that you know I'm also accepting him going to fight if he has to for our country for people who don't give a rip about what he's fighting for

Brian Atlasso where's your boyfriend deployed is he deployed you said he's in the military yeah he has been where was he was he in Afghanistan I'm not sharing information about that but yeah he is he really def

Brian AtlasI mean what BR is he really defending is he I I if I need to have a military c yeah I don't I don't want to share more information but he's definitely been in dangerous

Brian Atlassituations and but okay on the micro level I absolutely like support individual soldiers on the macro level level frankly a lot of these wars that we're involved in have absolutely

Brian Atlasnothing to do with the defense of America or the people of America we've wasted I don't know TR what it trillions of dollars in the Middle East for what

Brian Atlaswe were in Vietnam for what we get in we were involved in all these conflicts for what so it's not clear to me at least in

Brian Atlasmore modern military conflicts if uh these men are really protecting well at least that's the idea that

Brian Atlasthey're given right that's what are they protecting the nation or hold on or sorry sorry here Mason or but or is it

Brian Atlasin the interest of the oligarchs and the people that have you know the military industrial complex who have an interest in you know there's Financial component yeah there's think what she was speaking

Alexyto is the sentiment behind it there's so many things that I wouldn't say are like amazing about the military but I do respect so much our country in the way

Alexythat we are protected in a general sense am not saying it's perfect by any means and I don't really want to like dive deeper into that but I'm really really really grateful no but but I think look

Brian Atlason a micro level the soldiers I think they all have good intentions and that's what they want they want to protect their Nation they want to protect you know but I think the military conflicts

Brian Atlason the macro level that we find ourselves in it doesn't really now in the future we could be we could be involved in something a righteous War uhhuh uh I mean there's some debate there

Brian Atlasbut not the most the more recent military conflicts I'm like are we just really brutalizing these people in these countries I I don't know if you want to wa in on this Mason I mean you're

Masonjoining the military yeah so I guess speaking to uh more recent conflicts the experience that has been been I guess relayed by the people who'

Masonhave been over there the enemy that we were fighting in most of these recent conflicts mid in the Middle East were absolutely like Monsters of human beings

Masonso I mean like hanging dead corpses into the in the streets and uh there was gosh well I can't remember his name one of um I hate I hate that I don't Sadam Hussein

Masonnot Saddam Hussein it was like his um his underling what is his name he was he was like uh more active in the uh terrorist scene he was like the uh one of the main leaders you're not talking

Masonabout Bin Laden are you no no no no not Bin Laden um no it wasn't saddam's underling it was I think he was associated with Bin Laden I cannot remember his name for the life of me but

Masonanyway just absolutely probably tortured and killed tens of thousands of people so um I mean there there is yeah okay

Masonthere are uh motivations by people in our government that not are not altruistic and great but there is very good work being done and especially um

Masonthe uh div the part of the military that I want to go into the special Warfare Community uh the vast majority of those

Masonguys are like men's men usually pretty conservative traditional guys who they get sent on the missions where they are protecting a whole lot of people that do

Masonnot have protection uh I that speaks very true to what I want to do I want to be that kind of guy I want to have that kind of training um especially for the

Masonfuture fight uh when our vision is now set on China Russia um yeah two Nations

Masonthat uh are very opposed to America in general how we prioritize Freedom over security uh to I'm just going to move it on I'm just going to move it on but I mean just to bring it back to the

Brian Atlasoriginal question was so like for example how she's going on 30 dates with you know you went on 31st dates if I recall correctly in the one per I did yeah I was meeting people you occasionally went on right but like

Dianalet's let's phrase it correctly though I was meeting people they were first dates I wasn't dating multiple men like a Serial dater you're like some of the men

Dianaposturing no well it's kind of I mean this characterization is a bit we're not kind of like weaponizing information how am I weaponizing it's like it's it's

Dianamaking it out to be like this like these women that are dating all of these men all at one time and should men really even be like protecting them and you know I I'm of the opinion yeah like a man that I met for a first a I have no

Brian Atlasexpectations of him I could be a perfect stranger you know to to him and vice versa right yes so the I mean the point I'm arguing though the point of arguing though is that like as a woman in order

Brian Atlasfor you to be to feel like you're entitled to this extreme sacrifice on the man's part uh I think you should be trying to move

Brian Atlasin like a so okay men you about my early I don't think so but hold on we can get back into that but so there's so a man willing to sacrifice his life for a

Brian Atlaswoman would be the ultimate form of chivalry there is no greater sacrifice a man can make than to lay down his life for a woman that's so what is the so

Brian Atlasokay if there's this excuse me expectation on men to be chalous there ought to be a corresponding expectation

Brian Atlason women to be ladies and I would argue in order to be a l a respectable lady to be deserving of a man to sacrifice his

Brian Atlaslife for you you certainly can't be dating multiple men at the same time even going just on First Multiple first States so in this scenario with her if I

Brian Atlaswas on a first date with a woman and I was inclined to sacrifice my life for a woman I would advise a man that it would be ludicrous to sacrifice your life for

Brian Atlasa woman who has a date planned with another man right after you you're not getting you're going to do the ultimate

Brian Atlaschivalrous thing die for her and she's going to see another guy later that night that would be crazy to me but under your uh your framework think a guy should die for a woman who's going to go

Brian Atlasdate another guy that night is that your position so just answer the question do you think he should still die under those circumstances yes can I give more info

Alexycan so your answer is yes though go ahead okay so I also to put it into more of like my mindset is um like we did this whole I had this whole you know

AlexyEpiphany kind of thing in college we had this like active shooter um scenario training in one of my classes is and they talked about like how you I mean

Alexybasically like you should be willing to jump on that shooter the the man the men sh no just anyone so I I was thinking through they're like whoever's closest to the door they're coming in the door the best way to stop the active shooter is to attack that person and so I was

Alexylike dang like that is crazy like that is such a challenge like I don't know if I could do that blah blah blah but like it really got into my head and I thought about it a lot and I'm like man I could I could protect the other people that are there I'm the closest person there

Alexylike what am I going to do like that is okay this isn't really relevant I'm just saying that I would want to do the same thing so the man no matter who the girls going on date with afterward he should still should still do it if I were in

Brian Atlasthat position I'm not going to be like wait are you a felon wait like are you like whatever and you can't know everybody's history so do you hold yourself to that same standard right but let's zoom out and like let's let's just

Brian Atlasactually analyze it if we know all the facts should a man here I'll just I'll just give you the extreme example and see where like see where there's logical consistency here let's assume that man's going on the first dat with a girl and

Brian Atlasshe's currently sleeping with three other men mhm if we're zoomed out and we're doing an analysis on that situation should the man then sacrifice his life for a woman who's currently having sexual intercourse with three

Dianaother men I think that's kind of insane let her answer the question she's coming from an unbiased Place she's coming from a place of human

Brian Atlasto human like she's not putting labels or you're putting a label on a man that he needs to act in a certain way he needs to sacrifice his life I'm putting

Brian Atlasthe lab we sacrifice Our Lives as women too by having children child we have one of theal we're getting into a logical fallacy here that's a not a fallacy yes

Brian Atlaswhat about ISM what about us women who have to sacrifice in this other way that's totally unrelated to the scenario I'm giving no it's life still no many women die in child birth of all the men that you've had first dates with did you

Dianahave children with every single one of those men no and I also didn't sleep with every single one of those men and I also didn't but she's making the argument that a man even on the first

Brian Atlasdate he should sacrifice his life for that woman she's coming from an unbiased perspective that I'm not really following but so even in the scenario I

Brian Atlaspainted the woman is sleeping with three other men should the the man laid down his life for that woman I think a respectable man still would so okay so and is a man sacrificing his life for a

Brian Atlaswoman chivalrous yep okay so why do you have this why do men have to be chivalrous for I would would you agree with me that a woman who's currently

Brian Atlassleeping with three men and going on a first date with this new guy would you consider that the the uh what's the right word the there's no there's not

Brian Atlasyeah there's not for would that be ladylike of her so are women who are not ladylike deserving of chivalry yes why because I believe in grace and I also like part but why would women have Grace

Missyfor men in that scenario that's crazy because you're you're literally saying well men should have Grace for women and men should have this role in society where it's their natural inclination to provide and protect and and lay down

Missytheir life when there's no expectation on the women to do the same to have any I have expectations for women I like I have expectations for everyone in this scenario in the scenario no go ahead no

Missyin this scenario she's sleeping with three men so she's not meeting that expectation and yet there is the expectation on the man that's what I'm saying and I agree with this point listen there's a lot of things I don't

Missyagree with but I totally agree with the fact that you cannot expect a man to be a gentleman if you are not behaving as a lady and I have learned that lesson the hard way so you believe in she's asking

Alexyfor it kind of things wao what like like if she cuz you're just like she are you talking about sa like you're like oh if she's not acting like a lady then a man doesn't have to act like a gentleman that has nothing to do with stream take

Missyit's a stream take but anyway you're warping I think you're completely warping what I'm saying she asked a question yeah but that's a crazy question to ask based on what I am saying that's like such a far leap so if

Missyshe SLE with three guys you think she deserves to die what I never said she deserves to die but in the scenario there's a car coming okay I'm not saying that she Des she shouldn't expect a shival man she shouldn't expect why

Missywould a man give up his entire life his his existence on this beautiful planet for a woman who doesn't give a enough to date only him that's crazy I'm sorry I I believe he should have the

Masoninclination as a so I agree with you like personally I would give my life for a woman regardless no Mason don't listen I man well no no it's

Masonbecause I'm a man of extreme conviction but most men are not men of extreme conviction it's very much like why would I why would I be chivalrous to a woman who is not going

Masonto be a lady for me like it there is so much effort that being put on so much expectation as a man but there is ex very little expectation upon

Missya woman and listen I think a man if he is following the true like traditional masculine path I think he should have the inclination but he should have the self-respect to know like hey I'm not being treated with reciprocity here

Missythere is not a woman who is meeting this expectation as a lady and therefore that's insane to give up my existence on this beautiful planet for a woman who doesn't give a about me

Missythat goes and he should have the inclination but that doesn't mean that it's right for him to do it listen I feel all the time I think of these active shooter situations I feel like I jump in front of a bullet for

Missyanybody I'm a caring nurturing loving person but I'm telling you when it's on a date like I don't understand why women are expecting men to open doors pay the bill show up um and do all these things

Missywhen women are out there texting 5,000 men at the same time setting up all these different dates and sleeping with all these different people okay but let's not demonize women men are doing

Missyit too like we're talking we're not the areg listen men are dogs too but we're talking about in this scenario the

Missyexpectation that's on men versus women we're not talking about how men I know men who slept around listen every time that I slept around with a man there was a man waiting right there to exploit my Brokenness so yes I know what you're

Missysaying but what I'm saying is I didn't act like a lady so they didn't act like gentlemen and I shouldn't have expected them to act you feel like you deserved it because of that or I don't I'm not following I think that I was not

Missybehaving in a way that you're if you're not a lady why do you not going to be treated like a man to be a gentleman don't aren't obligated to give their life up for strangers and they're not obligated to open doors and do all

Missythese things for you they do it because they want to do it for a lady who who cares for them who is willing to put in the same effort on her end maybe in a different capacity because she's a woman and not a man but I'm saying it's

Missysupposed to be a mutual thing here it's not supposed to be men do this amazing chrous thing all the time and take care of us and treat us well and and and yet women can do whatever the hell they want

Brian AtlasI don't think anyone propos that either though talking what our society kind of shifted towards though I think it's just crazy that you can sit here and say that there

Brian Atlasthere would be an expectation on a man to Def to sacrifice his life ultimate chivalry for a woman

Brian Atlaswho's just totally degenerate who's a total degenerate who's not a lady who's not moving in a traditional way who's currently having sexual intercourse with

Missythree other men how like I don't understand the logic there like he should have the inclination as a man like yes I have this inclination as my natural masculinity I do want to provide and protect but like if we are never

Missygoing to progress as a society if we don't look at how both of us have a responsibility to act in a certain way towards one another you can't expect something from one gender do you want to

Alexyrespond to anything yeah I mean I just I get like I see I see your point

Dianaof view it's unfair and I just I yeah Jesus walked this planet and literally

Dianawent and talked to prostitutes Tax Collectors all of the sinners in the streets right yeah and he did not hesitate to die for all of humanity so this is if you guys are talking about

Missylike Christianity biblical values things like that where literally you know but Jesus didn't marry the prostitutes and he he save them through gra we're not

Alexytalking about Mar anybody principl have to do with this Rel ship scenario if you didn't jump in front of a car I wouldn't I wouldn't like hold that against you you know like what about the bullet the bullet the bullet

Alexyif you didn't jump in front of the bullet for some random girl that you just went on a date for I wouldn't be like that was you wouldn't be dinged as a man yeah I would just be like that's a crazy situation a lot of women a lot of

Alexywomen do want a man who'd be willing to sacrifice themselves for them and I do too but I wouldn't I I just wouldn't like berate you for that decision if you didn't right jump in front of a car or a

Alexybullet or whatever would it change if that man's like your dad or your brother I would expect my dad if my dad didn't jump in front of I wouldn't expect I wouldn't expect the boyfriend but I would expect my dad to yeah EXA it

Brian AtlasIt ultimately just comes down to this right so I get your point though I really do right so there's you have non-traditional women who demand and expect and feel entitled to traditional

Brian Atlastreatment from Men now the bullet one's an extreme example although there's even non-traditional women who are prepared to demand the ultimate traditional treatment the ultimate sacrifice for men but on a more realistic scale you'll

Brian Atlashave non-traditional women who demand men be generally be protectors generally be providers pay for first AIDS open car doors be chivalrous but they're not the

Brian Atlasthere's no reciprocity there they're not doing anything traditional so that's kind of my criticism is that you have this demand that men be traditional but y'all want to be modern women y'all want

Missybut you're throwing gener like I feel like those are outliers too no it's not no it's not it's actually not an outli look at how many people say they're feminist and then and then they still want a man to pay for the first date

Brian Atlaslike that's that's if you are a feminist why are you not splitting the bill that does not make a lick of sense have you have traditional women that do want traditional treatment from men but on top of that you have a whole bunch of

Brian Atlasmodern women who are not traditional all that still want the exact same things they want all the traditional treatment from men I have a question though okay

Dianago ahead why are generally speaking men feeding into this culture of these modern feminists by subscribing to their

Dianaonly fans by sending them money by opening by opening their doors by doing all of these extra things like that's also a challenge being a more

Dianatraditional independent woman out on the scene but how do you how do you get to know them without going on a first date like you gave me a lot of about being on

Dianalike 30 different hold on one second 30 different first dates but how do I get to know somebody if I don't meet them you can talk to them for like a day on an app or I told you I talked to them on an app and they're completely different

Dianain the virtual realm than they are that's something you do you can do it one person at a time and it's totally it is one person at a time but I'm getting within a month if there's 30 people it's not it was in the beginning of my so

Dianapassing judgment first of all is just bad share my thoughts and opinions whether you like it or not sorry but you're not supposed to butt in either and let me just like share my view I was

Dianahow are you supposed to actually meet yeah so how are you supposed to actually meet people without meeting people like I get it's not that hard to date one person at a time so going back to your whole 30 dates but it's not like dating

Dianaall of those people consistently can we all agree that modern dating is not like like when you say you're dating someone exclusively or even to get to know them that's you're serially dating them if you're just putting yourself out there

Dianaand starting to meet people and see who you can possibly have a match or connection with you're meeting them it's not different than going to a church event at multiple different churches and meeting different people how is that any

Missydifferent explain that phenomenon to me specific you're meeting people okay you're creating opportunity to meet someone modern dating though and then you're saying you expect traditional treatment and so like the whole point is

Dianayou're participating in the modern dating modern dating is participating in modern dating because guess what we can't not be in the modern dating scene because it's modern day there plenty of people that don't move like that there's plenty of people that don't move like

Brian Atlasthat that aren't like going on that aren't going on 30 dat first dates in a month if I was if I was encountering a girl and she's like Brian I have a date plan for if I was on a date with her on Saturday Brian I have a date for her

DianaSunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday I'd be like I would deal with that kind of girl what if you go to a mixer what if you go to a mixer at church for example and there's 30 women there and 30 men

Brian Atlasthere and you meet all 30 of them and you a girl girl go up to each and thirsting over 30 dudes or the dudes are you thirsting if you're getting to know them that's not like that's not

Dianaunreasonable you say mix you saying like when you say mix there's nothing wrong with getting to know people and meeting people there's nothing wrong with it just because I went on 30 days doesn't mean I was romantic

Masonit's a romantic 30 dates means going with like a romantic ende you might not be developing romantic feelings towards the other person cuz you're turned off by something about them it's one date

Masonyou explore it and then you close the chapter and you on screams like a desperation for romantic attention like I'm not saying I understand exactly where you were in life exactly the thing

Masonis point well the thing is it's extremely unhealthy regardless of where you were like you were in that situation and you responded in an extremely unhealthy way

Dianaright and then I went through therapy and then I handled all those things but it it would behoove all of us to not pass judgment on people because of the way that they came out there and explored their

Masonlife we all pass judgment we all treat judgment as this like cuss word people judge all the time every every people use their judgment but not judge people

Dianait is important to judge people Jud this person is a Jud their character but you don't judge them as a person and how is that any SC the Bible says you judge

Dianayourself so that you won't be judged at once with the rest of the world right Jud cont I've read that entire passage I know the passage can you quote

Masonthe passage I know what it is it's Matthew chapter 7 and actually Jesus himself commands you to judge in that passage later in the passage he tells them you will know them by their fruits

Dianaa good tree produ produces good fruit and a bad tree produces bad fruit right and you will know them but you will not judge them because judgment is left for our Lord and one day no no no in the

Masonvery beginning of that passage he also tells you not to cast your Pearls Before Swine do not tell people about your judgment when they're just going to trample all over it so they are productive conversations He commands us

Missyto judge he's not saying we are the ones who are going to judge people at the end of time I'm not judging you as a person when I'm J Jud is important an important part of life well that's how it comes

Brian Atlasoff but that's your personal pers can I ask her a question just one sec I will let you come in here really quick so okay yeah going on 31st dates with 30 different men in the period of a month

Brian Atlasis absolutely excessive you're within your right to do it but I would argue most men like if the guys are just trying to you they then maybe they don't care no the guys are doing the same thing they're trying to meet

Brian Atlassomeone that they can date consistently there's nothing wrong with it you think most men are capable of going on 301 dates with 30 different women in one month most men don't have that kind of

Dianaoptionality but you as a woman have you ever been in a long-term what was your long longest term relationship I've dated a girl for 5 years okay yeah so that was your longest relationship mine

Dianawas 14 years how is that relevant at all it's relevant because when you have not been out on the dating scene dating is not just about like like you keep say about sex it's not about it's

Diananot about that dating is about is about getting to know people meeting people finding out what is your type of person and a potential match have you're not evening an AR the intention is also with

Dianaromantic interest right versus going to church and meeting people at church you're not romantically interested in every single person people go to youth convention Christian Youth conventions all the time to hopefully meet their

Masonfuture wives or husbands romantic interest I hope I find my wife at church that'd be awesome but it's not a guaranteed I am going to this function

Masonto find a potential romantic interest every single date is every single date is when you go to church that's not the immediate intention the immediate

Masonintention when you go to church is I'm here to worship God and then hopefully maybe I'll find a woman here that also shares the same Val that's not that's not the purpose of yeah it's not Jo

Brian Atlasthat's not the purpose it shouldn't be however it can quickly become that again sometimes churches have like singles like clubs Ministries and stuff removing religion from this I would argue that

Brian Atlasyeah like going on if imagine the yeah this is my future wife the first day I met her I knew it was love I I I I knew

Brian AtlasI knew she was the one she did go on that date immediately after our date with the other guy and who knows how far along they got but yeah like I it's a bad look there impropriety there for you

Dianato be going on that many dates to be going on that's that's your perspective and your perception think my perception is I would hope that my person has been out on the dating scene has explored all

Dianatheir options by the time they get to me or vice versa we know what we want and we know to stay and to invest time and attention to that but can are you are

Dianayou a traditional woman would you say yes I have five children I'm a non-traditional dating like that I'm not say is non-traditional dating you are absolutely correct because I lived a

Missyvery traditional very conservative Ultra religious lifestyle but you saying you're currently still traditional and so just what I'm saying is if you participate in the mod critical thinker and independent I have recreated and you

Missysaid yes you were traditional so that's why I'm asking you because that is traditional participating in the hookup culture which is what that is if a man ever told me he's got 30 dates lined up

Dianayou're making assumptions that every date was a hookup I never said that that's why they were first dates that's why it's so frustrating that you guys are lumping this into like this hookup

Brian Atlasculture I still even if you didn't sleep with any of those still absolutely would and that's your opinion and you're entitled to it and my opinion is that you should explore there was a girl in here before that did something really

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