Psycho Troll ASSAULTS Nick?! KICKED OUT! Single Mom Went On 30 Dates In 30 Days?! | Dating Talk #159

Date: 2024-05-08

Duration: 6h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlissa (DT159)>

MMissy (DT159)>

DDiana (DT159)>

BBlasie (DT159)>

NNatalia (DT159)>

AAlexy (DT159)>

MMason Gregoire >

MMadison (DT164)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Natalia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Blasie(guest)

SPEAKER_06Macy(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Mason(guest)

SPEAKER_11Missy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alexy(guest)

SPEAKER_13Diana(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alissa(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDiana reveals she was married at 17 for 14 years with 5 children: "I got married at 17, I was married for 14 years, I have five kids." Gives context for her intentional dating approach and 30-dates story.

QuoteDiana reveals she went on ~30 first dates in one month: "you went on 30 dates in a one month period" confirmed by Diana. Brian probes: how with 5 kids? Diana: coffee/lunch dates, controlled schedule as entrepreneur.

QuoteMason reveals he is a Christian virgin waiting for marriage. Brian acts as "legal counsel." Mason: "I'm a really devout Christian so that's really important to me." Partner requirements: Christian, virgin preferred, body count <5. June 25 AF ship date.

QuoteMissy accepts Brian's 4.5 rating with equanimity: "I rated myself the same thing so it doesn't hurt my feelings." Discussed her lost weight and ongoing body improvement since sobriety.

OtherGUEST REMOVED: Blasie removed from show after repeated sunglasses violation and trolling. During removal she grabbed camera operator Nick's phone, appeared to attempt a punch, and broke his necklace. Mason called out: "keep your hands off him!" Brian: "take take your seat — that was nuts." Nick confirmed he was okay.

ControversyBrian tells Blasie to leave calmly: "kindly just leave, all right — didn't really want to stay here for that long." Blasie calls all guests liars for denying the pre-show sunglasses agreement. All other guests confirm the agreement.

QuoteMissy's body count of ~60 disclosed: Brian reads from pre-show notes "you said around 60." Missy confirms "around 60, I don't know exact number." Clarifies: 95% were 1-2x encounters and 95% of sex outside relationships occurred under the influence of alcohol. Two partners in last 6 years since getting sober.

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

Brian introduces panel of 8 guests. Each states name, age, location, occupation. Alissa: 18, UCSB psychology. Missy: 36, Kingston Ontario, critical care. Diana: 35, St. Pete FL, healthcare entrepreneur, turning 36 Thursday. Blasie: 22, South Side Chicago, NEET, Twitter personality, flew private. Macy: 19, UCSB film/media, Bay Area. Natalia: 18, UCSB sociology, San Diego. Alexy: 25, destination wedding videographer, ~70 weddings. Mason: 28, mechanical engineer, Air Force.

Relationship statuses round

Brian asks each guest for relationship status, time single, and longest relationship. Alissa: single 1.5yr. Missy: single 8yr, sobriety/addiction backstory. Diana: new 2mo relationship (no title), single 5yr before, married 14yr, 5 kids. Blasie: "complicated" then admits pilot boyfriend. Macy: never had relationship, 4mo talking stage. Natalia: never had relationship. Alexy: 1.5yr relationship (longest). Mason: single, virgin, AF prep.

Diana: 30 dates in 30 days disclosure

Diana reveals she went on ~30 first dates in one month. Brian probes logistics (5 kids, entrepreneur). Coffee/lunch dates, sometimes Dutch, sometimes man paid. Dating 2-3 men simultaneously until becoming exclusive. "Fail fast" approach to filtering matches.

Makeup and authenticity debate

Brian challenges whether women wearing makeup is deceptive. Comparison to bald men wearing hats. Missy admits filters on photos. Diana: post some authentic photos alongside best-self. Mason compares it to lying about profession on dating apps.

Mason virginity and partner requirements

Mason reveals he is a devout Christian virgin waiting for marriage. Brian acts as "legal counsel." Requirements: Christian, prefers virgin but <5 body count acceptable. Biblical family order (Christ/husband/wife/children). Air Force Special Warfare ship date June 25. Gets many DMs from women; Brian jokes about vetting them.

Housewife vs. career debate

Brian asks: would you prefer to be college educated and work, or be a housewife? Alissa: finish education, would consider housewife if husband provides. Extended debate on dependency, planning for divorce, student loans, and finishing degrees before starting a family.

Police vs. critical care nursing danger comparison

Diana defends critical care nursing as dangerous. Mason argues police face more lethal-force scenarios. Debate on whether the jobs are comparable in risk. Missy as ICU nurse joins discussion.

Self-ratings round (1-10 scale)

Brian asks each guest to rate own looks 1-10 (no 7 rule was not enforced). Ratings: Alissa 6, Missy 5 (Brian: 4.5), Blasie 6, Macy 7, Alexy 7-7.5, Mason 5, Natalia declined. Extended discussion on honest self-assessment, social media overinflation, Missy's body image recovery through sobriety.

Beauty standards / body fat image comparison

Brian shows superhero and athlete photos comparing male and female body ideals and typical body fat standards. Debate on which gender faces harder-to-attain physical standards. Tim Chalamet referenced as example of thin male ideal.

Blasie removal and assault on Nick

Brian asks Blasie to leave after repeated sunglasses violation and trolling throughout episode. Nick begins recording per show policy. Blasie grabs Nick's phone, appears to attempt punch, breaks his necklace in struggle. Mason and Missy react loudly. Blasie removed. Nick is uninjured. Brian replaces necklace (~$20). Madison joins table as replacement.

Post-removal debrief and Madison joins

Brian describes what happened for viewers. Nick confirms he is okay. Panel reflects on Blasie trolling pattern. Brian plays pre-show video showing Nick's earlier sunglasses negotiation. Madison takes Blasie's seat.

Feminism discussion

Brian asks each guest if they identify as feminist. Missy: no longer (shifted via Jordan Peterson). Diana: traditional/first-wave feminist (equity vs. equality distinction). Alexy: gender roles, traditional submission in partnership. Natalia, Alissa, Macy: qualified agreement with equality, skeptical of modern feminism's direction.

Bumble swiping segment

Missy's Bumble profile reviewed on air. Panel swipes on male profiles. Discussion of age ranges, photo quality, and swipe selectivity.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest their body count. Missy: ~60 (confirmed from pre-show notes; 95% under alcohol, 2 people in last 6 years). Alissa: not above double digits. Diana: declines. Macy: ~2. Others decline. Discussion on whether men should care.

Chaos/TTS segment and show close

TTS at $20 threshold. Audience reacts to body count. Final thoughts. Mason congratulated. Brian cannot address all pre-show notes for Missy/Diana. Show ends with Twitch raid.

Transcript

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Missygave me access to men that I would not normally ever be able to get and my body in my 20s and all of that and I had nothing to really offer them I had an overinflated sense of self and I see it

Missyall the time in young women and then what happens you hit my age and reality hits and then you've really got to like be honest with yourself about where you're at yeah I think there's like this natural like system that falls into

Alexyplace and when I was in college one of my classes we did this exercise basically you got a number and you to put it on your forehead and need to walk around and like try to get the highest number that you could and it was so interesting because you didn't know what

Alexyyou were necessarily but you had to go based off what other people did and by the end of it all of us were naturally paired to like a number just below or just above us because you're like okay I walk up to a 10 I'm like can we pair and

Masonthey're like no what is that based what was it based on like your looks no it was the number just the number it's like the objective metric of hey I want a high number with me yeah oh so I'm just saying that

Masonnaturally generally speaking naturally you will pair off with someone that's I think yeah naturally speaking it's Equitable and looks and all the other department I think that's just kind of

Masonnaturally what humans do whether we want to acknowledge it or not we judge ourselves based on how other people see us oh of course we do so one that puts emphasis on who we surround ourselves

Masonwith so I'm going to surround myself with men who are really intent upon making me a better man they're going to be there to tell me hey Mason you're getting you're letting go

Masonof yourself get it back get it together get into the gym do your thing or hey I'm slacking off at work hey Mason what are you doing you you want to provide for a family you're not going to be able to do that if you're doing this it's

Missylike those are the guys I want to surround surround myself with so I surround myself with high value people and that's wonderful but I think the reality is most people are not doing that they do not have their value set they are not surrounding themselves with

Masongood influence they live in this world where they think I deserve everything because I am incredible ex yes you have value but no but you you need to live in

Missyreality I you can increase the value you can increase your ranking whatever if I can say maybe I look the way I look and I'm not the hottest thing in the world anymore or ever was but I would say see

Missythis is the one thing I do disagree with the podcast or red pill about is that women maybe their beauty is not what it was as they get older however what I have grown and my personality and my

Missyability to love and give and be kind and caring and nurturing and generous that has only grown with age and my wisdom that I've obtained from it so I think looks wise value sure you know it's

Missywhere it's at but there's more inherent value that can grow in you as you age um but I I think the reality is most people are just not think I don't think would

Masondisagree with that statement yeah no but we want uh we as men we put a uh higher value on somebody who is younger

Masonbecause there are multiple factors I know they're able family so it's family but it's also um there's a lot less baggage that will probably just by a

Masonnumber of years okay someone who is 20 years old is probably going to have less baggage than someone who is 3540 of course generally speaking you can make that assumption they'll also

Missyhave a lot less wisdom and a lot less conf resolution necessarily true well I think okay I life experience begs begs to differ but I will say the majority of people who have baggage do not do the

Masonwork on themselves to actually get to a point where they that comes into play with how you see yourself I think this activity rating yourself on 1 to 10 is a really good microcosm to figure out how

Masonyou are thinking are evaluating yourself if you're being realistic or if you're being am I going to keep myself accountable so it's it's asking yourself the question so in a relationship what

Masonare the things I need to work on yeah because my partner is identifying these things hey you're really combative you're subverting leadership you are

Masonundercutting me at every corner it's those things when you can step back and objectively measure yourself and say okay I'm a six yeah but then you can

Masonalso step back and say hey there are these things in this relationship that I'm not very good at need to work on and hey I want my partner to help me tackle

Masonthat well and someone who can't objectively say I'm a six is probably not going to be able to take that bigger leap and say I have this personality yes

Missycharacteristic that is undesirable well what I'll say for me like being in recovery the one thing that I'm so grateful for is that you do a lot of work on yourself about your character

Missyflaws and all the things that led you there um so working on those things like when I was in my 20s my mid 20s and I was flying here and there with this guy

Missythat guy whatever I was doing like an idiot um I didn't value myself very much in a sense but I did overvalue myself and I really looked at what I could get

Missyfrom relationships whereas now in my 30s I focus so much more on what I have to give someone um than what I can actually get out of it so I feel like it is possible like you were saying to do the

Missywork on yourself to to turn your baggage into wisdom and learned experience but I think a lot of people are not doing that I think every man wants a beautiful mid

Dianato call his own what okay what anyway no I think there's a combination of like the bander effect where people are not really like actively proactively giving feedback to people in their Circle and

Dianabeing like hey your your sets have been this week okay I'm just letting you know we go to the gym at the same time and you're slacking or super gas what are you doing with your nutrition but there's also a difference between like

Dianabeing entitled versus being empowered and people are getting that confused and they're just going through the route of like I'm going to be entitled because I look a certain way because I get a

Dianacertain number of likes because I have hack the algorithm or whatever you know the cas I would generally you generally see that not with men you see that with women more

Dianaoften than not and I'm not saying that's good bad I think it's backlash from like insecurity yeah women are much less secure than men in general in looks Department because men know there's a

Dianasaying in Romanian he can be a little bit cuter than the devil that's like rough the rough translation which basically translates to women care more about like it's the psychology behind it

Dianathis financial stability also the emotional stability is he a safe person does he want to provide and like create the house where I can be safe and be in my feminine energy and things like that

Dianawomen put a lot more on that whereas men are I mean biologically wired to look at looks are her hips of childbearing proportions you know does

Masonshe look healthy do her skin clear isn't it accurate that women are much more picky when it comes to looks than men I think that's a that must be a modern

Missything a I also exactly no it's not a modern thing because for like for centuries and Neons like men have chased

Missythat um sexual urge that's their natural biological Instinct so yeah I I I just I don't think that's like a modern take on it I don't they're saying the opposite they're saying that women are more no women are more picky but that's why I'm

Masonsaying I'm saying they're more picky when it comes to looks and men are not because men are men are pursuing this ACC and they just men have a specific hormone pumping through their body that

Brian Atlasmakes them not care nearly as much sorry I was shouting there also speaking I think it came up earlier on in the conversation speaking of you know you're mentioning how women have these like

Brian Atlasinsane standards that they have to you know beauty standards Etc yeah and that was actually you know MH Little devil's advocate here I can actually make a very compelling argument that the

Brian Atlascorresponding male beauty standards are actually you know if we're talking about the uh shoot there's a specific word for it that's evading me right now but the uh male beauty standards are actually

Brian Atlasfar more difficult to attain and Achieve than the fale beauty standards because for a lot of um anybody disagree disag I want to hear your compell disagree

Brian Atlashonestly I disagree cuz a man is you don't have to be that hot you have to you have to have Charisma you have to have you know well yes men can make up for their deficiencies in perhaps

Brian Atlascertain ways that women can't but when it comes strictly to physical appearance if we're if we are talking about physical attraction uh most women rate I

Brian Atlasthink the the study or the statistics on this are uh most women rate like 80% of men as unattractive and like this is evidence

Dianabut why though that's that's why I said I disagree because I feel like the comp the comparable to Like Apples to Apples whereas you know for for women it's the looks but for men I feel like the

Dianaheightened you know expectation in societ is like they've got to make at least six figures and they've got to have a house and they've got to do this and they need to pay all of our bills and my money is my money and his money is our money and like I think that's

Missymaybe where I would agree more with like the unrealistic expectations and standards in today's society but not necessarily looks I think for like women though we can easily go to like a salon or whatever and get our nails done our

Missymakeup done our hair done we can change a lot about ourselves we have all these options but like men can't grow taller men can't you know makes a big difference yeah have you ever seen a man of tattooed like hair on his bald head

Missylike they they're doing stuff too there are barers can do but I would say it is probably harder for men to attain those standards however I will say a lot of men just kind of don't put in like I put

Missyin a lot of eff effort you know maybe some men don't like the effort I put in but I put in a lot of effort to like look presentable a lot of men just kind of show up and I feel like true I don't I don't agree with that I don't I don't

Missyknow if maybe it's in Canada because I'm looking through the the apps and on the street and I'm just like I feel like I'm doing a lot my counter to that would be well what are all the things that men

Brian Atlasneed to do in order to be attractive to women like he has to work on he could have to work on himself for years whereas you say oh well I got to spend the nextra 30 minutes in front of the

Missymirror no I think if a gu's funny it goes a long way oh yeah like I totally agree like like I say this but in a sense for me like what I would like

Missyin a guy I just want him to to to maybe take care of himself in the sense that he's like well groomed um I don't care so much about his height I don't care so much about his weight like I'm not picky

MissyI want a man who's relatively average even in his income I just prefer someone above average attitude above average that's all I'm looking for someone with a great attitude and so I'm saying like there are women out there who prefer

Brian Atlasthat it's not like we're like you've got to do X YZ but a lot of but I'm not really interested in speaking about outliers yeah it is an outlier that's true that is true but I'm I'd rather speak in generalities because I could

Brian Atlastalk we could have a conversation about well what are the dating what's the dating meta of like you know if you're if you have dwarfism yeah we could talk about it um I just don't think yeah it's

Missyreally productive to have a well what if you're a dwarf yeah well I I just I guess I just don't because I feel like a lot of people who consume this content and it

Missyis very like intriguing and insightful but I feel like sometimes it's it's so maybe it's real but it's very negative and I just I don't want people to feel like there's not how's it negative because it may be truthful but I just

Missyfeel like when you consume content that just constantly tells you that like women are all after your money essentially and men can never do enough to please a women but it's when you're saying that like you know there's men

Missyhave to do way more to impress a woman and all these things it's factually true generally but I'm saying the reason I said it is because it's not always true and I know you hate the outliers but I just want people to know there is so

Missyokay if I can concede that it's not always true can you concede that generally 100% so I guess I just wasted your time I forgot what the question I was just ask what was your what was your

Blasiethe original thought one time I one time I watched dwarf porn and I felt really bad afterwards thank you for sharing that was beautiful so what was the original thought well my position was

Brian Atlasthat even speaking strictly when it comes to physical appearance I actually think there are far more stringent uh Beauty uh I don't beauty is not the perfect word but Beauty let's just

Brian Atlasphysical there's there's far more stringent beauty standards on men than the reverse for example here's one example and we can actually show you a couple things but I would argue that when it comes to body fat percentage which is just one metric that people

Brian Atlastypically use for finding somebody attractive say that the acceptable body fat percentage range in terms of body types that men will find attractive versus the

Brian Atlasreverse it's much more wider in women so women can women can fall within a much greater diversity when it comes their body fatter like a man will can like a

Dianawoman with a low body fat percentage you know thin athletic boom boom boom all the way to like thick actually most men don't like women with low body fat because they feel like it looks too

Dianamasculine even well okay when I say healthy range healthy healthy range I think the I I mean just anatomically like you learned anything about like

Dianaanatomy and physiology women naturally inherently have hover around a 20 to 30% body fat range that's just naturally where we are especially as we age men

Dianaonly super athletes are like 6% body fat so the average is somewhere closer to like six you know 10 to 16% but it it displaces and it places

Dianadifferently on men than on women because women are childbearing we have like fat cells that are there for storage for like you know whenever you're breastfeeding and you're having a baby and your body's preparing for that so

Missyit's just a different I think just a different composition is what it is not just numbers sorry I but I think the reason that like men have maybe a wider range of what they will go for is because men are looking for something

Missythat women are looking for something different the men are are us usually looking for a sex partner even subconsciously they're being driven by their natural biological urges which is driven by attraction and sex so they're

Missygoing why why do they want sex biologically because they were born that way by because they want to procreate yes exactly natural biological but that's why I'm saying that like men will

Missyhave a wider range of what they will find physically acceptable um because they have an urge to procreate so they're going to take maybe what women also have an urge to procreate oh yeah they do but but I'm saying that it's uh

Missywomen are less driven by sex and attraction so they're more so looking for like generally um a relationship or that kind of thing so I I just think that's why women are looking for something a little bit different like they're they're more specific about what

Brian Atlasthey want whereas men are like it's not that I don't actually think that that's even true I think what ends up happening uh are you familiar I'm assuming that since you've seen the show you're famili familiar with the term hypergamy yes so

Brian Atlashere's what I think ends up happening it's not that there's a lack of men that are not willing to commit to women here's what I think the major thing is is that and this relates to

Brian Atlasyour position on promiscuity how you think that well actually promiscuity like the promiscuity in women is actually kind of men men are you know to sort to blame basically no no no that's not at all what I said okay well we can

Brian Atlasget into that later but but when it comes to hypergamy so what ends up happening is there are plenty of men that are willing to be in relationships with women however they tend to be they're mostly entirely invisible to

Brian Atlaswomen they're overlooked because women are hyperfocusing on the most attractive men the most attractive men the most desirable men get all the attention yeah

Brian Atlasall the attention and these men have no mo there's no reason for them to commit there's no reason for them to commit they can get all the women and but the women want those men for commitment but they're not going to

Missycommit yes I totally agree with you I on that I understand that it's the trth on the flip side is true as well it is true because I mean I had men when I was the flip side is also true men men will also

Dianaseek out like the Instagram fitness model body type and whatnot a lot of them I'm not I'm not throwing blanket statements but that's the gener we're talking generalities generally speaking

Dianamen have told me oh I don't like plastic surgery fake tits are great when they're covered but not when they're uncovered and I'm like okay then why are you so attracted to so many women that have

Masontriple d's the argument that Brian's trying to make is uh men don't find super attractive women super attractive no but that they flock they flock just

Masonlike he's saying women hyper attractive men what what he's saying is that a most women will only seek relationship from a

Masonhigher tier of man so like like attractiveness uh wealth so like athlete uh celebrity actor something like that why shouldn't women be in charge of who

Masongets approriate why would why shouldn't women be be in charge of who gets TR to make an argument here I I understand you want to butt in but just let me finish what I'm that's the whole point of the

Masonthing everybody get goad just let me finish so but men conversely yeah we will recognize that super attractive

Masonwomen are super attractive but we are going to be willing to find Rel find relationships with people who are on our

Masonlevel or below I would agree with that that's I we much more yeah we have a higher proclivity to do I think with time and with age that changes for women

DianaI think like this whole thing like when you're younger yeah like I I totally agree there's like this whole like and it goes back to life experience like

Dianayour life experience is little you know younger men or boys they're pump with testosterone they really don't care like they just you know they see a cute girl like they want to talk to her or

Dianawhatever right but as you get older like I actually as I was gaining I felt really naif and I actually had a question for you cuz I wondered if you if you feel at all sometimes when you go

Dianaout on the dating scene more naive than maybe like other people that have just had like free reign in dating to just like go explore self-discovery like

Dianaexperience learn through fails walking in walls things like that like I found myself pretty naive with like oh these men look attractive and then and then you know the natural inclination is well

DianaI want the abian Fitch looking guy right but then you start realizing that literally I I started actually not engaging with the men that look like Gym

DianaRats or that they're obsessive with like you know the gy because they're not going to give the quality of relationship and emotional connection that someone that doesn't dedicate all of their time to physical aspects but

Masonthat comes with time and like life experience so I I answer that question uh I'm I I think I came to that realization without having to go through

Masonthe hard experience I think I'm a rare bird when it comes to that I think you can come to that realization I I'm going to give credit

Dianawhere credit is due with my parents uh they they taught me from their own experience sounds like they were really transparent with you which is also something that's not super common they

Masonwere transparent with the lessons they learned and and uh kind of where those came from but my dad uh I don't really know what went on between the ages of

Masonlike 18 to 30 cuz he doesn't want you to know well yeah well he doesn't want to give you any bad ideas like you turned out so it's bad ideas yeah exactly but uh all I know it was uh it was not very

Masongood but all of the lessons that they taught me uh by their own exam like own marriage uh I saw how they interact with with each other I thought it was

Masonincredible that's kind of where I learned all of that stuff from so I don't really think it's necessary to go through uh the experience I think the experience will generally bring baggage and baggage means more problems in

Dianarelationship I didn't ask if it was necessary I asked do you sometimes feel more naive on the dating scene especially the like do you ever feel like man I was really duped like it's happened of course cuz like first few

MissyRel you give someone the benefit of the doubt and then you're like yeah they that was think you're probably less likely to do that if you have the right values to begin with like you are less

Brian Atlaslikely to fall for those scenarios this was this is such a nonse Seer like I appreciate the question but you've totally derailed the conversation that was actually at hand how did we go from

Missyyou love to talk about non I want to say about the original conversation is this I will agree that when I was younger I did Overlook good men because I was

Missychasing something that was seemed better and not just in terms of um appearance but in terms of what they could offer me I'm not talking Finance I've never asked for people to like spend their money on

Missyme but they could give like a better access to a better life in a sense and so I certainly overlooked good men to pursue something that probably was way

Missyabove what I could qualify for those men were dating down I think they had um they had looser standards than I had I had higher standards and I was certainly trying to like date above what I was

Missyprobably qualified for and I'm sure I have missed many good men or at least A Few Good Men along the way so it certainly does happen and it's a regret that I have and I I do wish people would

Missystop putting like materialism and attraction is like the number one thing to chase after because there's plenty of good people around us we just don't see them because we don't value them or what they bring to the table so I agree me I

Masonknow guys I know guys in particular there a guy that goes to my church I'm not going to name him but uh he's not very he's not very talkative he's very introverted he's an incredibly

Masonsmart man he has a very good job he's kind of like to himself uh he's manly dude but no girl will talk to him cuz he's not super charismatic he's not

Masonsuper like he doesn't make uh it takes longer to get to know him he's an incredible guy but it takes

Masoninvestment to get to that point where you realize oh jeez this guy has some serious depth he is a high quality dude

Masonhe's he's easy to talk to but it's like you have to get to that stage instead of clouding your clouding your judgment with oh he makes me feel really good

Masonright now eventually the feelings are going to go away they'll dissolve and I think that's something that's a problem with most dating relationships but it it is most of those guys those super high

Masonquality guys might not have all of those those flashy attributes but photo I think that happens naturally as woman gets older yeah because it it

Brian Atlascould be experienced but it also hold on I'm sorry we're going to redirect can you put us amount of work required to look good uh women nothing just don't eat like a hippo every single

Brian Atlasday men years of hard work at the gym many times a week in a strict diet with enough proteins and little fats and sugars okay I first off I like to try to be charitable I do think that this isn't

Brian Atlasa perfect comparison like the woman granted the woman on the left I would argue like the vast majority of men would find her body type

Brian Atlasattractive uh whereas I mean maybe a more fair comparison the woman should have been a bit more fit but like you can't be fit if you don't eat

Dianathough that's more of like anorexic looking which would align with like not do you think that's true what do you mean what's true like do you the photo

Brian Atlasthe what what are you disagreeing with do you think that it's easier for women to have a more attractive physique than it is 100% 100% for for a woman to have

Brian Atlaslet's just talk body let's remove face from this yes absolutely for a woman to have a body which is deemed attractive by the vast majority of men MH okay can

Brian AtlasI ask him what ever even exercise or step foot in a gym it helps but it's never necessary now a man who has absolutely no muscular

Missydevelopment how do you know this have you been in a woman's body oh jeez God before he was born as he was conceived I haven't he has been in the woman's body I don't know if that's a great argument

Brian AtlasYeah a different context but I mean this is just like a it's a it's a dumb comment so I'm that's fair that's fair but uh yeah like I mean okay we can just look at it from the perspective of like who are

Brian Atlasthey casting in superhero roles like if we're talking about beauty standards we'd look to Media okay the women in media versus the men in media so if we look at superhero roles if we look at uh Wonder Woman and Scarlett Johansson

Brian Atlasshe's I don't know who the she plays but I don't really watch that kind of but you look at their body types and compare it to their male hold on but you compare it to their the male leading

Brian Atlasuh actor celebrity these males are like they have to treat the gym like a full-time job some of them are a lot of them take steroids to achieve the beauty

Dianastandard however what I will whereas women need not take steroids but the women do too like you're talking about Wonder Woman you're talking about Black Widow Scarlet Johansson they're all working out you have to like literally

Brian Atlashit protein goals as a woman too and metabolically your hormones in the way this goes back to your thing with the well the nurse versus the cop I'm not saying it's easy but you're say but you

Dianadid say that you said that it's it's easier for women but it's not because metabolically it's not we are prone to adding more fat to our bodies through our hormones to Children this is why I

Dianawanted to ask men have more testosterone naturally in their metabolism which burns fat this is why it's still harder to achieve the ideal idealized because

Dianayou're because you put up a you put up a picture of like six packs and whatever but then you put a woman that has like basically no muscular definition but if I go to the gym and I want muscular

Brian Atlasdefinition I have to hit protein goals and go to the gym just as much if not more we will be more charitable with the photos then that I I will I will grant you Reon I will grant you that the the

Brian Atlascomparison from the meme although it is trying to sort of articulate the point I actually think it's true the photos used are not the ideal uh most ideal but we do have some other photos that we can

Brian Atlaspull up so Nick go into the drop box folder go into the beauty standards folder we're going to do uh let's see we'll do some of the superheroes so

Dianapull up why don't you pull up uh there's pull up Wonder Woman She's Got massive thighs she has to work out for those like she like Wonder Woman has yeah she

Dianahas like what's her name actress G galado has massive thoughts no I'm not saying like when I say massive I'm not saying like fat or what I'm saying she has mus Nick don't even drag it over

Brian Atlaswe're just going to look at all of them so click the first one and we're going to view it in the uh photo viewer does that make sense oh okay we'll just and then I think you can use the mouse buttons to like sort through them you

Brian Atlasmean like like this basically yeah yeah yeah uh okay we we'll just going to go through all of them and can you just double check that you're able to Mouse through

Brian Atlasthem or not Mouse uh Arrow oh okay on the keyboard we'll get it okay and then but then get the men ready to go right after and then

Brian Atlaswe'll do thin men thin woman comparison okay so let me know when you have that while you do that let me I don't have any chats so we're good on

Brian Atlasthat front um hold on what did I have here we had the photo do you have them both oh I just have the women you want me to get just have it ready oh

Brian Atlasactually okay that's fine we'll just go through women then we'll go through man go ahead okay so can you go f11 all right this is galau the woman with the she's pretty thin she's thin

Dianathere but that's not what she looks like in Wonder Woman She's like she's actually fit in Wonder Woman because it was a very athletic role they go through waxes and Wes too I mean this is this is the exact actress we're talking about so pull her up as Wonder Woman and see what

Dianaher body looks like go to Google Image Search Wonder Woman galado you can do like the same I don't think it's necessary but we'll do it fuckingo I mean for an athletic role

Dianajust like men women prepare for that we'll get there hold on we'll get there what did you want me to look at Wonder Woman Wonder Woman galado yeah we're compare we're we're I thought the

Brian Atlasquestion was like we're comparing how much effort it takes not how they look right that's what we're talking their looks but you can tell by like how much eff is in there H she's probably about scroll scroll down Nick let's see cuz

Brian Atlasshe's mentioning the leg muscular development uh there's leg Yeah you talked about like black widow you talked like I know I think she's probably about the same yeah I don't think that other photo was

Masonreally uh yeah from my look from my gym expertise I feel like she's probably about in the same shape that one not saying that she she's not she doesn't look as th as she did in that other photo I'm sorry I disagree it's pretty

Brian Atlassimilar I mean it's very similar scroll back up Nick like can you do full like full body oh there's there was one that was somebody else I think I don't know okay yeah they probably got lookalikes

Brian Atlasokay that's not her and that full body one sure yeah I mean that looks pretty she

Dianashe looks like she's done yoga a couple times that's it she's not like fitness model look at her arm down there on prompt hunt right there look at that muscle she actually has on her shoulder

Dianabro you just can't take the L refuse to take the L I refuse because I know how I I have had five babies come through my body and I know how much effort it takes to actually get your hormones IM balance

Dianawork out and have muscle mass that's IR relevant to the conversation no it's so relevant because I'm a woman and you're saying that it's so much easier for us to a certain he didn't say though that it's easy comp said child let's compare

Dianaa childless woman to a childless man well that would be she on birth control is she not on birth control does she have enough you always want to make the argument to the outlier I I thought discussion was like part of the part of

Brian Atlastheing for this we're going to go through all of these okay next all right that's still gadoo next

Brian Atlasthis is Scarlett Johansson next gadoga next I think this is Brie Larson next there she okay Brie Larson who plays what what is she Captain

MasonMarvel and that's not how she I mean like I'm is her though it's probably her yeah like a lot of those photos are ho honestly yeah like

Dianaimpossible for these roles these women probably don't have to go through nearly as much effort as the men same movies do are we talking about Hollywood or are we talking about in general because I thought this was a general statement

Brian Atlaslike we're talking generally the question was like hold on let's get through these next uh Scarlett Johansson Scarlett Johansson Scarlet

Brian AtlasJohansson Scarlet Johansson I this is these body types we've shown you I think that might be Scarlet are achievable by the vast majority of women they just

Missythere's perhaps some physical training but it's mostly can be achieved through dieting I mean this physique can be achieved through dieting hardly anything at the gym last year and I lost I am

Alexyvery active I work out a lot and I if I could snap my fingers and look like that I would but I'm I'm above average in the activity level of most people in my age

Alexyprobably and I still don't look like that and I do you like say I eat pretty well well hold on you have to be in a caloric deficit order even if you're

Masonactive eating is being being active doesn't contribute nearly as much to your body composition as diet does I would agree I would agree with that

Masonyeah right I'm saying yeah being active that's a great thing I I am the last person that will say being active is you shouldn't be active but if you want to

Missychange your body composition how much fat you have your weight it's all it's like 90% diet yes I I lost 50 lbs last year and I'm telling you I literally did

Missynot have to do hardly anything at the gym to do it I just changed you did cut out alcohol and alcohol is really high I I had at alcohol for a year a 3 l of wine a day or a liter and

Missya half a gin a day can you get it can I just say I cut out alcohol for a year and did not lose one pound that time it wasn't until my second year that I started working out losing

Brian Atlasweight I just think Brian's saying that it would be easy to achieve that physique he's not saying we're doing a comparison of of actors who have leading

Brian Atlasroles in superhero movies which we can argue that this is conceivably we're talking about beauty standards um and in this case I do agree with you can I say one thing I know you're not going to like him let me just

Brian Atlasget through this then you can say okay you tell me when okay so this is uh what's this guy's name Chris Chris Evans okay uh this is Liam

Brian AtlasHemsworth uh Chris Pratt a little more achievable on Chris Pratt this this okay Wolverine this body type with I'm pretty

Brian Atlassure he uses steroids first of all naturally uh natur unachievable for 99% of that naturally that that body right

Masonthere it we would take probably 10 years of work of like dedicated work I like I've probably spent the last six years

Masonconsistently training I run 20 m a week I lift a lot of weight I do I I'm in the gym constantly and I have nothing near that no you're pretty good bro like I

Masonmean you guys are like in love with each other or something he's probably on the cut like dehydrated so's it's proba Ted a little bit but whatever right but this is what they show well

Alexythis is what you get and I don't think girls expect that at all but female the female you guys kiss

Diananext okay Jason Mamoa okay next next Michael B Jordan and a lot of these a lot of these Hollywood guys also have like there's that new like plastic

Dianasurgery for the sixpack situation and things like in rock is

Brian AtlasVictorious next next next and then unachievable all these physiques are absolutely unachievable by the average man whereas those body types

Missyyou can go to the beach and see some chick looking just like the A-list movie stars that you see in the movies yes I had that body 10 years ago so yes it was super easy I did nothing to achieve it I'll agree with you but what I will say

Missyand I know you're not going to like this cuz I'm pretty sure people have said this on here before is that I don't think the vast majority of women that may be what the media portrays but when I've spoken to women in real life over

Missyand over they generally prefer like dadbod types they're not going for these super no I disagree you think that most women are going for that like for me Fitness is like literally on the top of

Dianathe list because if you're not driven on your own to be fit to be healthy to eat healthy then why I'm not going to sit around and police as a grown person and statistically speaking a waist

Dianacircumference of over 35 in I believe it is I can't remember is like 50% higher cardiovascular event RIS are you going to measure your

Brian Atlasfuture the aspirational body type for men and women if we're comparing the aspirational body type so this would be kind of like it doesn't have to be like

Brian Atlasthe ultimate 10 out of 10 maxed out to the just like pretty close to the ideal you're 0% of the way there yeah yeah is very achievable for most women

Brian Atlaswhereas for men you're going to need some combination of like full-time dedication to the gym like Elite level genetics or uh

Brian Atlassteroid intervention yes I agree with you to achieve that level of muscularity yeah and it's not fair I agree with you right but this whole Trope of oh my my

Missybeauty standards it's so hard as woman but it can be hard for both beauty standards this is the thing it's it's hard for both people I fully recognize that men have it bad I love men I appreciate what they bring to the table

Missyand I realize right now especially in society they're getting on all the time and they have these unrealistic standards I totally understand that but that doesn't say that oh women do not also have pressures on themselves also

MissyI'm saying that it's both both and we can't we didn't sit here and have this war of like oh who's more oppressed who's who's got more issues that are higher harder to achieve and whatever and it's like we all have we're

Masondealing with so we can all be a little bit more compassion understanding to each other no but what where we getting at this what's the goal so the issue is

Masonis when men present hey there is whether it's good bad whatever we're presenting a inequality or something that women hold us to a higher standard than they would

Missythemselves the immediate response is usually well I have it hard too yeah see but I didn't say any of that well it's not I'm not saying you came immediately back with I have it hard to he is bringing out stuff that I said pre-show

Masonto to make it seem like I'm I'm somehow challenging this argument I'm not I feel for men I care well it's usually so when men bring something like this up it's usually met with a belittling

Masoncomment I would agree in general circumstances yes okay so but that's pretty much all of the conversations we've had here where there's been a disagreement where we try to put something forward where men

Masonstruggle with this at a disproportionate amount it's usually met with a belittling comment yes and I think if we're going to try to sit back and assess just like we

Masontalked about before with the your appearance we should sit back assess put ourselves in the other person's shoes and realize hey shoot men really do have this particular thing very difficult uh

Missymaybe I need to change how I look at them most women are unable to do that yes and I like I fully agree with you I have had that self assessment and actually this may sound crazy but I feel

Missylike this show has helped me in preparation um like for months I've been listening to this podcast I've seen things from a different side of different point of view I think most women are not listening to men when they

Brian Atlasbring it make an argument just make an argument what what what am I supposed to argue with I when I agree with what you're saying not trying to be rude but you're kind of just prattling I agree with you I can't what do you want me to

Brian Atlasdo there's there's all this like extra like feel good just make an argument I I don't have an argument against that I you're just kind of no offense you're just kind of like speaking to speak no

Missylike make a coherent Point okay everyone else can speak I'm not allowed to agree with you guys no it's just like you you have to add on like so much no okay then I'll stop talking like that's fine can I

TTS/Donationssay something about like just the like to to the point of like men taking this many years of wom like oscillating MK donated $200 can we turn off the mic for number

TTS/Donationstwo she's been talking more than every other girl combined also wake up my queen in the shades she's the most beautiful one on the panel do you want to get married is that the pilot there

Missyyou go that might be the pilot everyone is welcome to speak so everyone can speak actions speak so much louder than

Brian Atlaswords thank you MK cool thank you uh yeah so I mean look I appreciate the back and forth but it's just like not really hearing an argument it's just

Missylike well I agree with you but uh you know they're it's like a Kumbaya session like oh yeah well I'm sorry I'm not an argumentative like I'm not going

Brian AtlasI'm not going to I'm going to move it on I will point out we got one more thing to get through we're going to go through a comparison thin women versus thin men we'll do

Brian Atlaswomen first then we'll do men we love our scrawny men there you go scny all right so I'm just gonna actually I want to just go through this make sure everything's kosher here uh so I think

Brian Atlasit's all fine uh we'll just go through there's like uh 14 so we'll just blast through um okay we got a skinny woman skinny

Brian Atlaswoman skinny woman skinny woman skinny woman skinny woman skinny skinny woman I would argue that a lot of men despite these women not

Brian Atlasreally you know some of them have a little you know your body fat gets low enough you're going to have like some uh ABS showing a little bit even if you don't work out but uh these women don't look particularly like trained or

Brian Atlasanything maybe they do a little bit but they're not you know that's what we like to call skinny fat they're no I don't think these women are even skinny fat they're just they're just thin I would

Brian Atlasargue healthy body fat now Nick pull up the the men now these are just untrained thin men and I would argue the untrained Thin Man uh thin man body most women

Brian Atlaslike most men if we compare like going back to the women that we just saw most men I would argue 80 90% of men will be like those women are hot they're sexy they're

Brian Atlasattractive looking at the men who have not stepped foot in a gym most likely I would argue most women are be like damn that's I'm not attracted to that guy based off his body go ahead

Brian Atlasnext average male body average untrained male body average thin this guy's a bit more on the thin side twink I would love him great twink thin male thin male

Brian Atlasuntrained another twink oh my God I would argue that most women would not let's pull down his boxes what's up like these body types

Brian Atlasare like the average thin male uhhuh I would argue that most women they're not o CT he's serving next

Brian Atlasnext next that's it I would argue comparatively speaking that there will be more men that find those women that we just looked at attractive than there will be women who find those men

Dianaphysically attractive just on body just on body comparable effort saying if they're naked basically if they're at the beach pretty much cuz you can't really tell when someone's wearing like a you know clothing and the okay the

Brian Atlasphotos we just looked at I would argue that the majority of men would find those women to have perfectly acceptable attractive sexy bodies yeah

Brian Atlasbut men will a McChicken they would be okay fine they'll literally anything I'll take it even Beyond casual sex they would happily be in a relationship with these women too based off of just how they

Dianalook I think it goes both ways cuz both I would argue who can improve their body like a fit man if he sees a thin woman he's like she can she can go to the gym and she with a woman that sees a thin man like

Brian Atlasthat's something that's an easy fix will I've seen a man chicken it was horrible stop hey stop of course there will be of course there will be

Masonwomen who find those types of men attractive not attractive I think it's just not a deterrent it's something that's easier men so you're you're saying that women will find those guys

Masonand say hey they can work on on themselves they get the gym whatever but men would pref most men would prefer a woman just to stay like that they don't care if they go to the gym that hasn't

Dianabeen my experience on the da scene when I had that body I never had a man like care if I went to the gym exactly the point I've had plenty of men say that they prefer you know fit women that

Missyactually have like meat on their bones they would cultural shift that's happened from social media which category do you fall in the woman with a bit more meat on her Bon slim thick yeah

Brian Atlasand these men are telling that that are do these men have a romantic interest in you and they're telling you this I mean obviously most of the time when we're having these friends who are I have guy friends too that are like

Brian Atlasthat too okay yeah and well this actually falls back to men finding a wider range of uh body fat acceptable or attractive even but I would argue if you're hearing this from men who are

Dianainterested in dating you or sleeping with you news flash men will lie and tell you men men will uh Pander to you I have brothers too I have 50

Brian Atlasfirst cousins like I have men in my life that are not if you were dating a guy and he was interested in pursuing you do you think he it would go over well if he was like well you're not my ideal body

Brian Atlastype but you think it would go over well guys it would over well the other way around either yeah but guys are going to gas you up and be like oh babe you're so sexy I like you just how you are

Dianamost men are not going to be honest with a woman especially if he's pursuing her romantically well then it just it that this is the law of like reciprocity that's like it's mutuality it's for

Masonevery action there is an equal and opposite reaction like I think it goes both ways the argument we're trying to make is that yeah preferably a man uh men in

Masongeneral will probably want a woman who's fit who goes to the gym whatever but our range of hey we're yeah so acceptability like I will H I will continue a relationship with a woman if

Masonshe is within this range of body composition is way wider than it is for women do you wonder why we're biologically like that I'm just saying women go through pregnancies like men

Dianaare wired to accept a wider range men don't go through pregnancies for a man it's literally just negligence that will like not keep him fit like he's just not going to go to the gym not going to watch his diet drink a lot whatever for

Dianaa woman there's less control like you get pregnant you don't control your hormones the rate at which you like you have very small little to no control of how much you're actually I don't think you're understanding the actual argument

Dianahere I am understanding I'm saying biologically men are wired to accept a wider range because women will change and their body will morph throughout their adult lives yeah we already made

Brian Atlasthe argument that men find a wider body fat percentage range acceptable again though we're talking about something different I'm not saying that we showed those image of the more thin women I'm

Brian Atlasnot saying that men wouldn't date women who had a higher body fat percentage range I was trying to make a comparison between the Thin Man versus the thin woman and I would argue that

Blasiecomparatively speaking those women that we showed you more men will deem them attractive then there will be women who deem those thin men attractive no women will deem them attractive come on don't you know women love twins how many

Brian Atlaspeople love Timothy shalam I mean come on he's like the greatest actor you you know greatest actor okay I'm not God that's a stat I think you're failing to

Brian Atlasunderstand my argument I am saying that there will be more men who find that body type attractive that body fat percentage range that true women will

Brian Atlassettle for a lot less W like a guy who works at a pizza shop or something like that just statistically inaccurate it's true I don't know have you let's go around the table you saw the guys that we showed do you think that that's like

Brian Atlasin terms of what you find attractive in a man physically speaking body typewise would you say that's like were those like attractive body types for

Alissayou it could be some women like thin thin men maybe it's not the ideal though honestly yeah I do find it like attractive but like it's not like my ideal like type but at the end of the

Missyday like there are people outside of my type that I still find attractive sure I've dated all types so do you have a problem with that I'm just think I've

Missydated all types uh so in terms of that I really don't have a problem with it there's only maybe one guy that I would say was like a little too thin for me but I'm open to arrange um but yeah i'

Brian Atlaswould say generally speaking most women I agree with what your statement I prefer a fitl looking man I mean you're kind of making argument these men would their body types would not you would not find them

Dianaattractive sort of agreeing with them fit to me equates to healthy so hold wait wait wait hold on just a sec here but there's room for somebody

Brian Atlasto grow hold on stop hold on one moment Nick just letting you know okay um blasie before the show I requested

Brian Atlasthat we had like there's a negotiation here that you not wear your sunglasses there was no such thing you were all present every person at this table can disagree with that

Brian AtlasLiars okay we asked you not to wear your sunglasses I look better look at look at this okay that's cool so look you've been kind of trolling this whole time I'm not going to make a big thing of it um but like you just keep trolling

Brian Atlasyou've now put on your sunglasses we asked you very politely before the show not to very polite so just kindly like don't make scene but just

Brian Atlasleave all right didn't really want to stay here for that long okay that's fine just Nick you can we need a little video hello Nick oh my

MasonGod don't yeah keep your hands off hey what the keep your hands off of him what are

Masonyou doing just just yo just leave like you don't just get out of here what are you doing just unprofessional

Masonassaulting the audio guy leave leave what are you doing trying to punch

Missyhim oh my God crazy she should been kicked out like so long ago my gosh holy oh my God she

Missythere was a high likelihood that that was going to happen oh I knew it was going to happen I knew it not the violence but the insanity I just thought it against

Masonme she was to people who can't see that yeah just make sure yeah I'm sure Brian's making sure that happened but

Nataliafor people who are watching uh yeah she she did not go quietly no I she's going home in um in a private I just yeah

Masonshe's going home in Private Pilot guy maybe you should uh call the

Brian Atlasauthorities take take your seat that was nuts we we were talking you okay Nick yeah I'm good so okay for you guys who don't know like I mean I was very polite

Brian Atlasjust asked her to leave uh Nick just it's our policy if we're kicking someone out we just record it and um she uh she like hit you or she'd like grab the

Brian Atlasphone oh she was trying cuz Nick started recording so she tried to grab his phone yeah it's like look we got throwing punches did she try to punch you Nick or I don't know if she tried to punch me it kind of looked like it but it was a

Masonpathetic effort it was I mean it it was like someone who's never punched before was trying to throw a punch um she broke your necklace Nick yeah she grab my how much does it cost

Brian AtlasI'll I'll uh I'll replace it it's like 20 bucks okay throw you 20 did you guys see that though she attacked we' never had that happen

Dianabefore she's literally everything that negative about like Latina like negative side of it's like yo she's like such a

Brian AtlasNegative I mean you guys were all here we told her before the show he don't put your sunglasses on you guys know she was trolling the whole time yeah yeah I she put the sunglasses back on she was asking to be kicked off I didn't make a

Brian Atlasscene I was just like hey just just leave uh but it was totally uh it's one thing to troll but then to actually like she assaulted Nick I mean Nick if you wanted to you could there's well you have video recording so you could press

Nick (production)Char Nick did it come through on the like were you already recording or yeah part of the struggle when she just had her hands on me I was holding it I don't know how much of it I got one hand on her and one hand we need we need like I

Brian Atlasshould have the camera over that way next a trooper did she swipe it you too gustava he had the he had the uniform on she wasn't trying she wasn't even daring

Missythat just on camera like for the whole internet but the minute I'm filming it yeah it doesn't make sense she had her glasses on for it too she likes that oh my gosh I thought it was going to be me

Production Staffat the end of the night honestly it's it's weird yeah that doesn't make sense like you're you're on camera already Nick's just recording you because that's just our that he just grabbed her and like you're

Masondone good job Nick you okay Nick you're all right okay I mean yeah she was like assaulting Nick but I was I was kind of sitting here thinking do she really think she's going to win that fight I

Dianawas thinking he's got a lot of self-control she swiping at she was swiping at him he has a lot of control you just restrained her so yeah he was like H just sett down he he was guarding

Brian Atlashimself more um we might need to clean up maybe could somebody yeah I just walked through the chips did you step on them yeah I did a little bit I'm sorry I

Brian Atlastried not to all right I was trying to TI she's not in the building oh maybe Spencer take you want to hold on wait Nick mute the mute the audio really quick oh wait hold on unmute it Joe

TTS/DonationsMurphy donated $200 who on the panel identifies as a feminist based on your answers can you clearly describe your definition of feminism as a whole a good question we

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