05:40:45Jamiemaking I'm making the same exact judgment that you're making Just In Reverse I hear you but it's also so discriminating uh to not hire upon gender or race oh yeah yeah yeah so the thing is
05:40:56Andrew Wilsonis like it's also discriminating to cross the street no I yes you're doing it on the basis of sex but that crossing the street doesn't affect anybody hang what what if what if you cross the
05:41:09Andrew Wilsonstreet only because they were black would that be discrimination um maybe yeah yeah so if you're crossing the street based on the fact that they're black because they're black yeah and then if you're crossing
05:41:21Brian Atlasthe street based on the fact that they're men then yeah you're discriminating you're us you're literally using discrimination as a value judgment what so hold on what's
05:41:31Jamieworse a woman not getting a job or you thinking men are are predators well just cuz I cross the street doesn't mean I think they're
05:41:41Andrew WilsonPredators I don't think Predator well you you're not saying these two particular men are actually going to do something you're just airing on the side of caution right maybe I just don't want
05:41:52Andrew Wilsonto be walking so close to people sure sure well you're just airing on the side of caution it's like okay but I think that that's the same exact thing that men are doing when they don't hire women they're just airing on the side of caution they're just doing the exact
05:42:05Jamiesame thing in Reverse they're like well you know I mean chances are you're not going to do anything but why take the chance you know seems like it could be pretty catastrophic so why I just don't see a woman like going into a a
05:42:17Jamieworkplace with me all men and them being the only woman and just like randomly accusing somebody of sexual assault unless they uh well no it there's many other problems right maybe they start dating inside of the workplace or they
05:42:30Andrew Wilsoncreate friction between multiple employee you know women that happens in every workplace though I would say yes but it happens more with women because women tend to attack reputation slander reputation more than they attack arguments things like this because they
05:42:41Andrew Wilsondon't seem to really understand arguments Statics personal attacks instant yes there are yes of course of course yes of course women use innuendo and slander as their form of attack more
05:42:54Andrew Wilsonthan anything else they don't have physical Force like men do men are more likely to use physical force or argumentation women are more likely to use reputational damage and slander so if that's the case yeah they're going to cause a lot of problems in the workplace
05:43:06Andrew Wilsonit's not that men don't do it they do it right it's just it's the rates they definitely do it too yeah it's the rates I mean women sa men too but you're talking about the difference in rates right that's what you think in your head
05:43:18Andrew Wilsonthat's why you make that value judgment it's like I don't blame a woman for crossing the street when a group of men are approaching her I don't blame her I'm like okay that makes sense I just don't know why they blame men for not wanting to hire them it's like that
05:43:29Andrew Wilsonmakes [ __ ] sense too that's all how does is it
05:43:40Brian Atlasnot yeah more notes here okay so let's just try to get through all of these as quick as possible oh is it wrong for man to not want to date a trans woman
05:43:50Jamiebecause they're trans no it's not wrong wait starting with you um that's a sensitive subject um I think that everyone should have everyone has
05:44:01Jamietheir own sexuality everyone has their own preferences MH people who are bisexual may maybe just identify with like liking um men or women and then somebody who's like pansexual doesn't really care based off of gender so I
05:44:14Brian Atlasmean people have their sexualities if you're straight maybe you don't want to be with a a transwoman okay uh wait but so is it I guess I can restate the
05:44:25Brian Atlasquestion here is it wrong or would you object in some way for a man to not want to date a transom no okay keep away from them if if you don't like them some there there was some subtext there that
05:44:39Andrew WilsonI have to follow up on real quick and I'll ask this a different way um so let's say a man is totally attracted to a trans woman right does not realize this person is trans thinks that they're
05:44:51Andrew Wilsongreat and wonderful they have this like serious connection this and that then finds out that they're unfortunately it's not safe for Trans hang on hang on hang on let me finish the question finds
05:45:01Jamieout that that person is trans and then based on only that says okay reject you is that wrong no it's um I don't I don't think
05:45:12Jamieit's wrong I mean all right yeah you mean what I don't think it's wrong I think that it's it's safer for trans women to disclose that they're trans um
05:45:22Bella Cakessooner rather than later when they're dating unfortunately it's not safe to wait okay uh your answer to the question
05:45:31Brian Atlasuh no I don't think it's wrong no it's not wrong no no it's not wrong okay and
05:45:37Brian Atlasthen one further question is it straight for a man to dat a transwoman
05:45:46Bella Cakesno we okay I think yes I don't know I really don't that's the bow out you know you know what you want to
05:45:58Andrew Wilsonsay what do you think I want to say yes you want to say yes it's totally straight that's what I think you want to say no no no no so would you how about
05:46:07Brian Atlasthis if I were to say that that's gay for a man to dat a trans woman like he's not straight M he's gay I'm sure a
05:46:18Brian Atlaslot of trans people would agree that that is gay well what do you think I think it is maybe I don't really know though all right yeah oh yeah it's not straight it's not straight wait you said
05:46:30Brian Atlasyes straight I said it is straight oh is straight okay um what's the meaning of uh heterosexual um well you said completely
05:46:42Bella Cakesstraight I think it depends on what the partner is attracted to like are they attracted to the penis like cuz if they're attracted to the penis and that's not because like I feel like if
05:46:55Bella Cakesthe no this is postop if it oh okay so if they I I think that this if it's postop then yeah it's straight does that you does that change your answer
05:47:07Bella CakesI think that yeah that they're post on so if you [ __ ] a unic it's straight but I'm not that person like so I would be able to consider myself straigh if I because I think that like trans people
05:47:17Andrew Wilsonwhatever they identify as like I believe in trans yeah change the split yeah um maybe we can just kind of quickly dive into this so um you agree that that's
05:47:30Andrew Wilsonstill a male um wait so what I'm not asking man I asked male yes I agree it's a male yes
05:47:39Andrew Wilsonand if two male animals were engaged in sexual intercourse are those animals engaged in homosexual
05:47:48Bella Cakesintercourse yes but they're I think it's different in like Humanity okay tell me the threshold breaker um I would say
05:47:58Bella Cakesjust the fact that we have gender roles in humanity like I think and there's no gender role which you can assign that you can say
05:48:10Bella Cakesbelongs to a sex not a single one honestly I think actually let me take a step back because I don't necessarily think it has to do with gender roles I think it has to do even
05:48:22Bella Cakesmore so with like when we talk about like for example like when we were having the conversation I know you disagree with this but like how we were talking about how women are like more nurturing I
05:48:32Bella Cakesthink that like there are like biological things about men and women that are different like in the brain and I think that that is where like gender dysphoria
05:48:45Bella Cakescomes in and that's where transness is a piece yeah but there's transgender people without gender dysphoria yeah no I don't think that's true gender gender dysphoria is required to be trans no no
05:48:59Brian Atlasno can you guys get that fixed please you got to go f11 in streamyard oh hold hold on hold on here okay okay just here go to sources go to sources
05:49:11Brian Atlasscroll up just hide sorry guys no problem hi streamyard reenter and then you have to reenter I think somebody pressed the back button on the mouse there that's
05:49:21Brian Atlasprobably what happened all right uh go sorry guys Tech issue here no
05:49:32Bella Cakesproblem you're G to no no no go f11 first please all right it's fixed go ahead yeah why does it require gender dysphoria because
05:49:43Bella Cakesgender dysphoria is the disconnect between the brain and the body I see so a pansexual person is not trans if they
05:49:54Andrew Wilsondon't have gender dis for well pansexual people are that's a sexuality not pansexual person who identifies as being trans is not trans if they don't have gender dysphoria
05:50:08Bella Cakeswhat is that I I don't understand your point because pansexual is the attraction all ask if a person identifies as being transgender you're saying that it
05:50:17Bella Cakesrequires that they have gender dysphoria to do so yes yes yeah okay why would that be the requirement because the whole basis of
05:50:28TTS Readerbeing trans is a disconnect between the brain and the body thetic cost donated $99 is it gay for the government to have a gender equivalent draft for women where women are assigned a husband and
05:50:40Brian Atlasmandated to have children yo Theo you're the guy you're from last stream right the Giga Chad Legend first off good to see you back in the chat second off thank you for all the support on Sunday
05:50:51Andrew Wilsonyeah theot toos what's up ma'am um so yeah just I'll just kind of very very quickly Barrel through this right I'll ask this afterwards so um okay so now
05:51:01Bella Cakeswe've we've got this confin to mental illness then I see that's a thing like I don't sure you can say gender dysphoria is a mental illness I it's categorizes yeah if you want to say transness is a
05:51:13Bella Cakesmental illness then yeah sure say it's a mental illness and we cure that by giving them gender reassignment surgery C hasn't homophobia been wait wait mental illness they're not cured okay so
05:51:24Andrew Wilsonso then what do gender dor what do you think the Cure isual there is no cure what do you mean wait hold on what were you saying uh wasn't being homosexual classified as a mental illness at one
05:51:35Andrew Wilsonpoint yeah so so anyway how far are we going back well you you have to understand though that we have two distinctions here so distinction the first distinction is she
05:51:47Andrew Wilsonsays a trans person must have gender dysphoria they're not trans okay well what is gender dysphoria it's a mental illness so therefore so therefore by her
05:51:57Bella Cakeslogic you must be mentally ill to be trans right sure I don't think that's a I don't think so then if somebody doesn't want to date a person based on the fact that they're mentally ill what's the problem I I didn't say that there was a problem based if someone
05:52:11Andrew Wilsondoesn't want to date a trans person I don't think there's an issue okay so um I'm trying to figure out though why is it that because they're mentally ill that that somehow makes them not homosexuals when they're engaged with
05:52:23Andrew Wilsonmen and with sex wait can you re can you restate it sorry I was oh okay um yeah um it's very
05:52:35Andrew Wilsonhard to crique this because of the platform that we're on so I'm I'll phrase it this way uh if a person were to have [ __ ] I can't even we you just got to move it on
05:52:48Andrew Wilsonbro I can't I can't phrase it any other way to critique it like I just can't do it so if there's if there's something wrong right something wrong upstairs let's say something wrong
05:52:59Andrew Wilsonupstairs um I don't understand how that would disqualify male on male sexual intercourse as being anything less than homosexual intercourse that's what I
05:53:09Bella Cakesdon't get well the thing is I don't see male on male as like male biology on male biology as necessarily homosexual I
05:53:19Andrew Wilsonthink man on man is homosexual and I as yeah but man is anybody who identifies as a man yeah if that's the case then you don't have to have gender dysphoria
05:53:29Andrew Wilsonto be trans because you could just self-identify as the sex and you would be that sex well I don't think I don't think that's right then then you have to qualify it because you say anybody who
05:53:41Bella Cakesidentifies a man is a man right I think any no I don't think that's true I think a lot of people say that too just to then what makes you a man other than
05:53:52Andrew Wilsonmaleness that's a whole other can of worms no no it's not another can of worms if you say man is this set of
05:54:02Andrew Wilsoncriteria okay whatever X set of criteria is is then I'll accept that I just want to know what x criteria is but if you say A man does not require X criteria
05:54:15Bella Cakesjust self ID well now we have a different problem I see what you're saying here now um I just think it's yeah like you said it's like kind of hard to like get
05:54:27Bella Cakesinto cuz like I I I understand your point is that like I'm trying to articulate this but um like I see someone who identifies as
05:54:38Bella Cakesa man as a man but I think gender dysphoria is a requirement to be trans and there's kind of like well then how are you a man I see that's where I'm kind of like that's where I like don't
05:54:50Andrew Wilsonreally know like how to that makes no sense that literally makes it's a contradiction to say if you identify as a man you are but you're not trans well why would you identify as a
05:55:03Andrew Wilsonman if you didn't have gender dysphoria and you have why you couldn't why couldn't you why couldn't you identify as being a man even if you had female body parts because why would you yeah but why you would is irrelevant to the
05:55:15Andrew Wilsonthe question of why couldn't you I mean I guess you could and if you could are you well people can't afford to always if you could are you no no you're not so then what is the criteria
05:55:28Andrew Wilsonfor man having a male brain the [ __ ] does that mean I male brain go in a male body no I mean like do you have a like how do you
05:55:40Andrew Wilsonhow would you know that somebody had a male brain except the body around it was male you don't see that you know your Consciousness knows having a male Consciousness do you think you have a male Consciousness I don't know what
05:55:52Andrew Wilsonthat means okay so what do you think being a man is I think that having a penis I think that being a man uh essentially has multiple criteria that we can list we could list chromosomes we
05:56:05Andrew Wilsoncould list all of this right but really the simple way is you only have two reproductive Pathways which the body can go down to but didn't you say that hang on you just
05:56:16Andrew Wilsonasked me to Define it and I'm trying to okay there's only two uh fical Pathways you can go down okay two that's it female male there's no third sex no
05:56:27Andrew Wilsonintermediate sex there never has been not even in people who have H hemaphrodite right things like that absolutely
05:56:38Andrew Wilsononly have one sex pathway so only one of those reproductive organs can work people can't pregnate themselves no matter what their physiology is there it's impossible so only one reproductive
05:56:49Bella Cakesway can actually work okay I think that we're never going to reach a conclusion here because no I think we can very quickly because I just need your definition of of man okay I gave it to you and you don't agree that there are
05:57:01Andrew Wilsonmale and female brains so we're never going to reach a conclusion I think that there is a different there's male and female brains I think that if there's a brain inside of a male body it's a male's brain okay and I disagree I think
05:57:13Bella Cakesthat there what do you mean you disagree no okay Consciousness sure if you want to say Consciousness instead of brain sure because that's what the [ __ ] is a female Consciousness when you when you identified like that
05:57:25Andrew Wilsonyour whole life well then then it's all self ID so then okay so then if so now we've got it okay now I've got it because the gender dysphoria is no because the gender dysphoria is a part
05:57:35Andrew Wilsonof that self-identification if you have a female brain and a male body okay but why couldn't you make the claim then go and get diagnosed they say
05:57:47Bella Cakesno you don't have dysphoria you could do that if you wanted to but that doesn't make you trans like that gives you a diagnosis you just said it's just it's just it gives you a diagnosis but it
05:57:58Bella Cakesdoesn't make you trans I what I'm saying is being trans is having a male brain or a female brain in the opposite body of your gender and you disagree with that and that's fine I'm not actually sure
05:58:10Andrew Wilsonhow it's possible that you can have a brain inside of your body that does is doesn't belong with your body because it's literally in your body I mean I'm sure well that just gets into like this
05:58:22Bella Cakesthe science of like how an embryo grows in like the womb like there might be something that goes wrong in there you know like who knows I don't know okay so
05:58:34Andrew Wilsonbut but we can Define so so your definition of a man is anybody who has a male brain yes and your definition male Consciousness your definition of anybody
05:58:45Bella Cakeshas a male Consciousness is anybody who says that they have one no anybody not anybody who says that they do anybody who feels that they do yeah okay so how would you know that they feel that I
05:58:57Andrew Wilsonwouldn't know they would know that and how would they tell you that I wouldn't know they how would they tell you that this isn't my like how would they tell you that matter what I how would they tell you that they would they would use
05:59:09Andrew Wilsontheir words they would use their words so they use their words to say that they identified as a man okay but why does it matter what I think what what it well because it's your definition that's why
05:59:22Bella Cakesit matters my definition is how they feel I don't give a [ __ ] what they told you how they felt okay if they want to lie to me and say something else opposite to what they feel that's not my like so then we have established that a man's anybody who identifies as a man no
05:59:34Hedyit's some okay I do want to dispute one thing you're saying that's okay um I think in the past before it was as socially acceptable as it is now to come out as transgender um you had feminine men and
05:59:46Hedyyou had masculine women and often times they would identify as homosexual or they wouldn't they would just be you know butch or you know more feminine man um however I don't believe though that there's this you know distinction
05:59:59Hedybetween male and female brains I think I do agree with Andrew that it is you know if you're a female and you have a brain that's a female brain and you can even to your point about oh a man who you know just identifies as
06:00:11Hedytransgender um isn't necessarily going to have a female brain maybe he has feminine Tendencies but even with people who identify as donated $99 this is a quirk of language the
06:00:23TTS Readerinternal eye means something than the physical embodiment same as the last podcast actions divorced from consequences I totally agree how do you pronounce this theot toos Theos theot toos
06:00:36Hedyum you can you finish your thing and then we'll move on yeah I just was going to say that um if you look at people who identify as transgender when they go on um you know a hormone therapy they often
06:00:47Hedyum experience the opposite genders like libido and that would be neurological right so it's not like they didn't have you know if a man is going on um uh
06:00:58Hedyestrogen his um libido is going to decrease I mean that's often how because of the hormones though yes but the hormones is neurological so he's brain in that way was always masculine because often times they ex they will claim that
06:01:10Andrew Wilsonthey had a more intense libido before estrogen what about women with extra testosterone and hermaphrodites so yeah again um if
06:01:22Andrew Wilsonyou're if you're I'm not we're not going to say the I guess the H word sometimes I really [ __ ] hate YouTube because it just makes conversation impossible um if you're talking about that particular
06:01:33Andrew Wilsoncondition right you don't believe that those that people with that condition can impregnate themselves right no why not it's impossible why because they don't have both of the uh female and
06:01:45Andrew Wilsonmale organs so they only have one one functional reproductive system and so when it's surg hang on so when it's surgically fixed which reproductive system do you think they go with the one
06:01:57Andrew Wilsonthat works right because that is the path way your body develops yes hang hang always every time $99 is it gay for the government to have
06:02:09TTS Readera gender equivalent draft for women where women are assigned a husband and mated to have children wait is it gay for the government to have a gender I
06:02:18Brian Atlasdon't know if it's why would it be why would it be gay
06:02:29Brian Atlasthough it would be bisexual the theot tacos theot theot toos theot toos all right I got moving on um couple more questions here then we'll do the row session then wrap who's the primary
06:02:41Jamievictim of war men or women starting with you families you always point at me families well you chair one everybody you got to pick one
06:02:50Brian Atlasmen or women primary victim of War okay men I guess maybe men men okay uh let's see are men or women
06:03:02Jamiephysically stronger starting with you men are physically Stronger Yeah men men
06:03:09Jamiemen men okay can you be sexist towards men yes yeah mhm yes yes can you be racist towards white people starting
06:03:19Jamiewith you yes yeah yes I mean I don't like white people I don't like white people but I love you are white I know um I'm just kidding I I think we're all
06:03:30Brian Atlasscum that's what I'm I'm trying to say wait so n niist all scum um we maybe not I don't know if that uh wait you don't
06:03:39Backgroundlike white white people um so you're self-loathing white person sure internalized racism don't even know no I have white
06:03:51Brian Atlasfriends and stuff I don't I have white friends I've never heard that phrase before oh boy that's crazy um here hold on I'm going send the I'm going to send
06:04:01Brian Atlasthe asteroid for that one [ __ ] let's she wants the asteroid though she thinks everybody's scum damn that's crazy um do you think white people have
06:04:12Brian Atlasculture yeah they have their own culture yeah cultures you but you hate white people I don't hate like anybody unless they're hor person do you hate white men
06:04:23Jamiemore than you hate white women intersectional hate I can't say that cuz I don't know every single white man I don't know every single white but you don't know every single white person
06:04:32Andrew WilsonI have that just in Reverse which one the ha they hate white men or white women I I have I just have it in reverse like you hate the white women
06:04:44Andrew Wilsonmore than the white men oh Andrew done that yeah just in Reverse oh man yeah all right that was an interesting okay no I I love women they're awesome but only because of the way they vote I'm a
06:04:56Brian Atlasgirl girl only because of the way they vote okay uh do you are you feminist starting with you
06:05:02Brian Atlasyes probably in your terms yeah no no nope okay uh for the two feminists
06:05:12Brian Atlasare women oppressed um in what way let me start with a different question first we'll come back to that is there a patriarchy yeah there's a patriarchy
06:05:24Jamieyeah yeah under the patriarchy are women oppressed yeah in the workplace a lot of workplace okay what else um anywhere anywhere I mean men are oppressed in
06:05:34Bella Cakesways too sure yeah okay um like I like I said like in what way like I think women are oppressed in in the fact that like we kind of have to
06:05:44Bella Cakeslike take more caution a lot of the time like you do yeah do you I mean like out late at night yeah I would say women do I don't think so are with people's
06:05:56Brian Atlasfeelings actually men men have to I think well maybe they some men might well I don't know actually I'll just go ahead and say yeah Men
06:06:07Brian Atlasactually have to take more precautions what against who though how's that how's that relevant let's just say men I'll just grant sure yeah let's say it's other men
06:06:18Brian Atlasyeah well I mean like that wasn't like what I was trying to ask I was like okay but so yeah let's just grant it so let's go back to that though so yeah I think men have to take more
06:06:29Bella Cakesprecautions you know what that's fair but they're not getting attacked because they're men women a lot of the time get attacked because they're women they are getting attacked because they're men really yeah
06:06:41Andrew Wilsonhere's my example to you man's far more likely to hit a man than a woman I hear what you're saying that's literally I understand what you're say that's literally giving the creation of a Cause right so if men are more likely to hit men than they are women that
06:06:54Bella Cakesmeans they're more likely to hit men because they're men I think that they're more likely to get in fights yeah so they're more likely to hit men cuz they're men they're more okay but attacking and
06:07:06Bella Cakeslike getting into a fight is like pretty different in my opinion same [ __ ] same thing no I mean an attack is one-sided a fight is like kind of a tussle yeah fights are
06:07:17Bella Cakesone-sided often often so it's like if you just lose that's an attack I mean an attack is like when I think of an attack I think of like an
06:07:28Hedyambush you know what I mean like I think we discount a lot of um attacks on men because we assume that I mean rightfully assume but they also have the ability to defend themselves
06:07:39Hedymore but it it doesn't dismiss that men are maybe more likely to be attacked I think that we're just um if we're walking outside at night by ourselves we just don't have the physical capabilities to defend us and honestly I
06:07:52Brian Atlaskind of agree with that but here's the thing can you take that water off the table um so there are scenarios I actually had the scenario where I was attacked it wasn't a it wasn't mutual
06:08:04Brian Atlascombat it wasn't like yeah [ __ ] you let's fight it was like I'm trying to remove myself from the situation and despite my efforts to remove myself from
06:08:14Brian Atlasthe situation the attack persisted and I was not looking for a fight Pro the trouble found me had I been a woman in
06:08:24Brian Atlasthis situation it would have never happened what happened so I was out filming I've shared this only once or twice before so probably most people aren't aware of this I was out filming this was a couple couple years ago uh
06:08:37Brian Atlaswith a camera and three men approached me and they're like being aggressive towards me they didn't know who I was this is before I started the podcast and uh they I was out filming
06:08:49Brian Atlasfor one of like my videos or whatever and they were like why are you filming people out in public mind you which is totally it's not it's not against the law it's not a crime they were drunk they were being aggressive towards me
06:09:02Brian Atlasthey saw an easy target I thought they were trying to rob me of my gear whatever uh so all three of them so I would regrettably was out
06:09:12Brian Atlasalone they started attacking me and I had to run away and I got punched luckily I didn't get stomped on the ground but I ended up on the ground I
06:09:22Brian Atlasgot hit my camera was broken damaged had I been a woman it would have never gotten there never I don't I disagree
06:09:32Jamiehow the [ __ ] do you disagree because I I sympathize with you that's horrible but I I know of a woman this year who got attacked by a man randomly on the street and she was it happens yeah but if I had
06:09:44Brian Atlasbeen a woman under these same circumstances I would not have been attacked and here's why this was in public mind you it wasn't like in some back hold on it
06:09:55Brian Atlaswasn't some back alley situation so she's the victim now when I'm telling my story isn't that funny so okay so there were people around if I
06:10:08Brian Atlaswas a woman as women if a man lays a hand on you you best believe that there's plenty
06:10:16Brian Atlasof justifiably so men who will be your for free bodyguards who will intervene on your behalf if I'm getting scorched and [ __ ] up by another dude even if
06:10:28Brian Atlasit's oneon-one even if it's three on one it doesn't really matter no man no stranger man will ever intervene on my behalf if I'm getting beat up by another
06:10:39Brian Atlasguy if a guy but they will watch it oh they'll watch it they'll film it and they'll laugh if a woman as a woman if there's by male bystanders around and
06:10:50Alissaanother man puts his hands on you smacks you around that guy's getting [ __ ] up that's not true there's been that's 100 are you Fu multiple viral moments in the last few like last two years like the
06:11:02Brian Atlaschick that got you so oh my God you were so toaster brick are there instances hold on are there instances of a woman who's been struck in public by a man and nobody intervenes yes yes
06:11:14Brian Atlasthere's also an overwhelming amount of instances where a woman has been struck by man in public and plenty of men are going to be
06:11:26Brian Atlasyour free bodyguards and will intervene and will Dole out street Justice to this man you can't say the same thing about
06:11:36Brian Atlasman if I'm one-on-one with a man on the street nobody's coming to my defense maybe if I'm lucky somebody breaks it up but then that guy gets to walk away if
06:11:46Brian Atlassome guy smacks you in the face and there's 10 other men around he's getting [ __ ] stomped and if you don't think that's true you're actually toaster brained well that did actually happen to me in
06:11:58Brian Atlaspublic and no none of the men around me did anything I was hit say there are anecdotes your is an hit how I was hit by a man I didn't see him I didn't see what but he walked past
06:12:12Hedyand I was in a big crowded group of people and there were other men there and they didn't I they saw it happen they didn't do anything what happened he hit me and he walked away mhm so he punched you in the face no in the
06:12:22Hedyback in the back of your head no in the and on my
06:12:29Hedyback so he and then ran yeah okay but you know we all when you were telling your story we all listened and you're making faces at my story no no I'm just trying to understand it Brian
06:12:42Brian Atlasyou're making disapproving faces that's not super yeah the Situation's different so if I was being chased down the [ __ ] Street no I understand that but some guy boom ran away immediately totally
06:12:54Andrew Wilson[ __ ] different I was giving an example to totally different example let me ask you this if that guy if that guy was attacking um if that guy was attacking you if he like didn't just punch you in the
06:13:07Andrew Wilsonback but he grabbed you and you know he was he was really and you were you were you called out for help those guys would have knocked him the [ __ ] out right I mean I did call out for help but he got away but none of no nobody around me did anything well I mean that was something
06:13:19Jamiethat happened super quick well there's this crazy thing called the bystander effect in our society and Human Society where people just keep walking terrible happen somebody that more so in modernity and I think that this is a
06:13:31Andrew Wilsongood thing that men are not stepping into to defend women when women are getting attacked so now I know how horrible that sounds but think about it
06:13:41Andrew Wilsonfrom the perspective of men right um good so ultimately what ends up happening is um you know I am [ __ ] feminist sheira and and you know wor the
06:13:53Andrew Wilsontight leather and beat the [ __ ] out of the 300 lb Marvel Bandits right uh all these [ __ ] women have this idea you'll see them shriek Sky shriek you know what I mean we don't need men for nothing we don't need nothing
06:14:05Andrew Wilsonit's like okay well then when this happens to you treat you like we treat men and just watch right I'm not getting involved in a fist fight between two guys none of my business why should I
06:14:17Andrew Wilsonget involved in a fist fight between a guy and a girl also ain't none of my business right now I think that when I was growing up I think I would have had a totally different attitude maybe 18 19 20 I'd probably be the first one to be
06:14:28Andrew Wilsonlike what are you doing you crazy [ __ ] you can't attack women but in modernity it's like the only thing I can think of is
06:14:39Andrew Wilsonwell maybe in this way women will be like well maybe men maybe men maybe we do need them for something maybe maybe we shouldn't just be completely
06:14:48Alissaself-absorbed brats but the loud outlier feminists like shouldn't maybe the woman being attacked doesn't hold those views it's funny she women and men I age your
06:15:00Andrew Wilsonmasculinity shouldn't it's really sad it's really sad to me that uh a small Core group of women have been able to seize so much political power and train other women to vote for [ __ ]
06:15:12Andrew WilsonDemocrats and horrible policies that didn't actually interfere with my life um but it's like well you wanted equality here it is that's what it looks like that's what it looks like but then
06:15:25Alissathat's kind of like you being a follower of women like your masculinity Should Be steady regardless what does that have well first of all why is it masculine to step in on behalf of a woman because you agree that women are weaker correct so I
06:15:36Alissaagree that there's lots of men who are weaker than me I wouldn't step in for them should I if you view wom women as lesser the way you say and that you are the stronger one and you are the Christian one then yes you absolutely
06:15:49Andrew Wilsonshould oh wait a second back up so you straw man the [ __ ] out of my position first of all my position is not all women are inferior right I I can grant that many women are better at all sorts of different things than I am and no
06:16:02TTS Readerthey're stronger women than meated $9 if women didn't actually have those views they wouldn't be in that situation and would be surrounded by men that protect that's what I'm saying
06:16:13Andrew Wilsonright so so that you don't so that you don't straw me in the position and explain it again there's all sorts of women who are better than me at all sorts of things no doubt about it and there's women who are much stronger than
06:16:24Andrew WilsonI am there's no doubt about that right uh but it has nothing to do with the fact that I think on average there's nothing that women can do that men can't
06:16:34Andrew Wilsondo on par or better other than reproduction that's the position so when you when you come back and you say well wait a second this is some kind of
06:16:44Andrew Wilsonassault on your masculinity it's like no I have no Duty no Duty nor obligation to step in on behalf of women who enjoy their
06:16:54Andrew Wilsonegalitarianism right but at the same time have no duty to actually execute enforcement on their own but instead would Outsource it to me [ __ ] that right
06:17:04Andrew Wilsonthen then go get drafted then sign up for the draft then sign up for the draft and go defend the country and then [ __ ] men will step in for you but if until that happens there's no real egalitarianism and it's like well fine
06:17:16Andrew Wilsonfine why should they step in why should they hurt themselves on your behalf when you when women vote against their interests I wouldn't seems like a really bad idea seems like I just hate to think
06:17:28Alissathat me as someone who votes red if I'm out getting attacked by a man the other men be like but these feminist so you deserve like I like it's not a matter of deserve they can totally say you totally
06:17:40Andrew Wilsondidn't deserve that I'm not [ __ ] helping you go ask your feminists go ask the feminist to help you go ask the feminist after the hurricane to bring the [ __ ] boats in and save people you
06:17:51Andrew Wilsonknow go ask them if you love egalitarianism so much go ask go ask the Shir to help you someone like me or theota cost donated
06:18:02Andrew Wilson$99 the gender equivalent Dr assignment to a manand to make babies yeah it's not a fun position like I wish that men didn't have to move towards that position but the truth is is that
06:18:15Brian Atlasthey really do they have to protect themselves at this point Thank You Theo for the TTS they really do interesting interesting I think we were talking about oppression I don't
06:18:26Bella Cakesknow how the [ __ ] we got onto all that how are we are you oppressed um I think that see now that we've like strayed so far away from the topic it's hard to talk
06:18:39Bella Cakesabout but um yeah I think women are oppressed in the the sense that like a lot of their value is based on
06:18:49Jamieappearance what how's that oppression I mean because like or is that privilege wait I got priv huh people get older eventually and people who have lived by that their whole life
06:19:02Jamiethey're like what's going on I'm not getting this praise wait so women who can make because you don't choose your thousands or millions of dollars you don't choose your appearance based off their appearance is oppression what about ugly women oh I'm sorry I thought
06:19:15Bella Cakesit thought hang on hang on I thought at the beginning of the conversation Beauty was subjective no I I don't think it is I I mean sure beauty is subjective but like there are ugly women yeah there are ugly women and those women are treated
06:19:27Brian Atlasthe same as men they're not treated badly they get the they get equality with men men do not treat ugly women the same as they treat ugly men yeah they do they treat ugly men like [ __ ] what do you mean no they don't yes they do in
06:19:39Andrew Wilsonfact there was a social experiment on this which was done just via hiring practices they took two men the exact same credentials they both applied at the exact same business for an accounting firm the handsome Chad got the job the other guy didn't but they
06:19:52Bella Cakesdidn't do it with an ugly man and an ugly woman did they hang on hang on wait no wouldn't the wouldn't the thing here be that would be wait that would be the equivalent though no because that's saying that ugly people in general are
06:20:03Bella Cakestreated worse which is true they are yeah and ugly men are treated better than ugly women prove it N I can't prove it that's cuz it's not demonstrated okay then you prove it prove what I'm saying
06:20:14Andrew Wilsonthat there that it's equal that ugly people get treated bad prove it that ugly you just said that that prove that it's equal then what that the treat is
06:20:25Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah yeah so the position must be falsify it's your position all ugly people treat bad right yeah okay so we
06:20:33Andrew Wilsonfound the common ground wee if want addala that who are ug treated women who are ugly you can't put that burden on
06:20:45Andrew Wilsonme okay well there's no way to really prove that so I can't really go further I mean I'm sure that there's ways that that can be demonstrated well I mean not I'm not sure how yeah I'm not sure how you could do it logically I would just
06:20:58Andrew Wilsonsay that no I think I mean from my experience I think that ug I think that ugly men getting rejected by women and women sneering at them is even worse than when um you know men are rejectable
06:21:11Andrew Wilsontowards women who are ugly because women who are ugly still get [ __ ] and ugly men they don't that's true any woman can be a [ __ ] I think that yeah I think that
06:21:21Bella Cakesany if you're if you have a vagina you can get a dick that's not true for men or for people with a penis whatever finding love they're still finding love
06:21:30Bella Cakesno it's not it's not that it's like I'm saying that a man will treat a woman that he finds unattractive worse than he treats a man
06:21:41Brian Atlasthat he finds unattractive like yeah but based what are you basing that on based on my experiences wait wouldn't the comparison
06:21:50Brian Atlashere be though the way women treat ugly men versus the way men treat ugly women cuz you're saying the way men treat ugly men and the way comparing it to the way
06:22:01Bella Cakesmen treat ugly women and I think women treat ugly men way better than men treat ugly women wait you think sorry repeat that I think women treat ugly men better than better yeah wait men will we've had
06:22:15Brian AtlasI don't I don't want to actually say that that as far as like the women we've had on the show we've had ugly women who get chivalry they'll get dates they'll
06:22:26Brian Atlasget they'll [ __ ] 100 they'll have a body count well then they're getting treated better then they're getting treated better at least you can have a warm body for a night for a lot of these women we've had women who can bro we have we
06:22:37Brian Atlashad this one woman who was not a looker over very overweight she [ __ ] six guys in a day okay she was a sex addict 100 men there was another chick who was like
06:22:48Andrew Wilson400 lb and she was all she wanted it was an all you could eat buffet for this chick I think literally on two different on two different I'll let you talk but
06:22:57Brian Atlaslike it's crazy so these girls looks equivalents would be virgins or incels yeah I think the difference though oh
06:23:07Brian Atlassorry sorry all I was well I was all I was just going to say is that as a woman even if you're unattractive you can still get male attention you can still get a date you can still get a warm body
06:23:18Brian Atlasmaybe it's not the ideal Suitor maybe you know you don't want that but you can still get it and a lot of them opt to still get it whereas men they live a life of quiet
06:23:29Bella Cakesdesperation yeah but at least they can have like okay so this is the difference I think think is
06:23:35Bella Cakesthat men treat okay it's hard to explain but um so ugly men get treated better by
06:23:45Bella Cakesmen in general they get treated the same um I think I think ugly women and ugly men get treated the same sure I have something on this continue ugly women
06:23:55Brian Atlasand ugly men probably get treated around the same sure by the opposite sex um but I think so ugly so so so men treat ugly
06:24:05Brian Atlaswomen worse than they treat ugly men yes but then I could just
06:24:13Brian Atlassay the women treat ugly men way [ __ ] worse than they treat ugly women but I think women treat ugly women better than
06:24:24Andrew Wilsonthey better than men treat ugly women okay I don't know how you would so so hang on you're saying you're literally saying the same thing he's saying so it's like a [ __ ] up game of rock paper scissors
06:24:35Andrew Wilsonright so you're like okay yeah really you're like okay so ugly men ugly Rock ugly men are treated better by men than women and then ugly women are treated better by women than men and then you
06:24:48Andrew Wilsonyou counter and you say okay yeah but I guess that's fair yeah you say but um you know men are treating ugly women worse and then the C men are treating ugly you know what I
06:25:00Andrew Wilsonmean it's it's this big giant Circle but you're saying the exact same thing the same sex treats the ugly people better than the opposite sex does that's what you're saying I think
06:25:14Andrew Wilsonthat in comparison like it's it's hard to explain I think that I think that that's it's been explained I think that that's exactly
06:25:25Andrew Wilsonwhat you mean right girl girls treat ugly relatively women treat ugly people better than men treat ugly people I think they just treat people better than men treat people by the metrics of
06:25:38Brian Atlaswomen right I feel like we're just getting into like such a big T I'm happy to move me too uh going to you are women are women oppressed are am I oppressed I'm
06:25:50Jamienot oppressed I'm living the life I want but are women oppressed yeah okay yeah like in the workplace especially with the wages and um yeah you go to the police department if you have an issue if a woman has an issue a lot of the
06:26:03Brian Atlastime their their issue will not you even oh well I have to go back to my anecdote here so the police actually came the police came when I was attacked
06:26:13Brian Atlasnow let's put a woman in my situation so here's what happened with my case the individuals were actually located I had to do a lot of the uh leg work for that
06:26:25Brian Atlaswas able to find the individuals the police interviewed them they confessed to assaulting me confessed on body camera I have the body camera footage yeah I followed up with the District
06:26:37Brian AtlasAttorney's office for months months they confessed on camera to the police and in a statement the district attorney did not pursue the charges but did they tell you
06:26:48Brian Atlasthat it wasn't as important as other cases specifically yeah they dropped the case had it been a woman who got chased down the street by three men and
06:26:57Brian Atlasattacked and not mind you felony level property destruction my $2,000 camera was Destro they said we're not I forgot exactly what
06:27:09Brian Atlasthey said it was a while ago we're not going to pursue it I guarantee you had I been a woman they would have prosecuted those guys they let them get they let them go completely there wasn't there wasn't even that diversion program and
06:27:22Andrew Wilsonspeaking of police I don't understand how you could say that police are oppressive to women they let them off from speeding tickets all the time they um they literally give
06:27:32Andrew Wilsonthem passes on all sorts of things even as far as um as physical restraints right if a male officer needs to restrain a female they'll often actually
06:27:44Andrew Wilsoncall another female officer over so that they don't even touch him they don't even have to touch him seen yeah they do and they they'll do it for du they'll do it for DUIs too they'll do it for DUIs as well they'll have female officers come in and do the pat Downs this all
06:27:57Andrew Wilsonsorts of privilege whereas the guys like get up on that [ __ ] Hood right they don't care they don't give a [ __ ] so just just wanted to point that out that like uh no I think that there's a lot more privilege that women get from
06:28:08Brian Atlaspolice officer encounters than men that's for sure final thing on on my own anecdote here uh if there's any doubts as to so I had to go to civil court it could have you know they could have handled it they could have criminally
06:28:21Brian Atlaspursued it and they could have got me restitution without me having to go through the labor and have to like go to court uh get them served
06:28:30Brian AtlasEtc I won the civil case the judge granted me I forgot what what's it called one the uh damages he
06:28:40Brian Atlasno no no he he uh decided the case in my favor uh he awarded me a judgment against them right uh that could have I
06:28:50Brian Atlascould have all been avoided had the da done their job had I been a woman pretty sure they wouldn't have let those guys off off the
06:29:01Brian Atlashook for doing felony level uh property damage and then the Sul in battery but hey maybe that's just me is the the the da here yeah this was yeah the da here
06:29:13Jamiein Santa Barbara sucks like really badly you should should walk inside the we're not going to get yeah we're not going to say that on a yeah we're not going to say that on the podcast that would be a bad
06:29:23Brian Atlasidea anyways that was my experience look that was my experience so this idea that oh it'll get taken more seriously if you're man
06:29:34Brian Atlasit's actually not true y not true at all so uh let's see what else do we have we
06:29:41Brian Atlashave uh uh roast yes oh I guess maybe uh do we need men yes yeah I do do you
06:29:52Brian Atlasthink men are important yes yeah yes all right uh we'll do the row section here in just a sec I think I have one more
06:30:02Brian Atlasquestion uh what years were World War what years were World War I and World War II starting with you go ahead like
06:30:12Bella Cakes1941 World War I I don't know maybe 1942 go around the table okay I have no idea World War II ' 80s wait World War II no [ __ ] World
06:30:23Bella CakesWar I was like 1914 I thought and World War II was like I don't even know okay World War II 1940
06:30:34Andrew Wilson40 I would say World War I no World War II yeah what about World War I 1800 or 1900s 1900s in what I don't know okay I
06:30:46Hedydon't know 1914 to 1918 and then 1939 to 1945 okay we were told the answer to this and still didn't [ __ ] know TTS is 20
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06:31:41TTS Readerwhat I'm just like sad that the other girls not here for this Johnny [ __ ] spiral donated $20 mommy where's Daddy honey daddy's at
06:31:50TTS Readerwork who's that man Mommy that's my ex honey I think about him a lot dot now go in your room do Mommy needs to take off her clothes for men sincerely Johnny
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06:32:26Andrew Wilsonwhile he's sitting next to me almost almost not bro I'm very close what you don't look overweight at all that's because I lost a ton of weight they're just cap the the chat is [ __ ] seething they can't come up with
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06:34:25Brian Atlasday I believe I can fly I believe I can touch the sky why am I singing R Kelly you don't like uh his music even
06:34:38Brian Atlasthough he's a no bro I think I think about it every night and day me and Andrew are going to start a band no we're not don't say that Andrew you promised me no you said you were
06:34:50Brian Atlasthis was before I found out about your whole burrito thing and the burrito Bo look man when the Burrito Boys oh no that's brutal The Burrito
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06:35:43Brian Atlasyou click I don't know I have mad ADHD are you a clicker like The Last of Us yes so clicker
06:35:52Brian Atlasclicker okay that's good uh what else what Andrew can you do a a fet voice
06:36:03Brian Atlaswhat a fat do you know this word no let me Google it just make sure I'm using it right a fat affected of a man behaving in a way
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06:36:26Brian Atlascoming the TD thank you very much it'll happen one of these days oh Sor
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