She MISSED Her Ex While MARRIED?! Her Past DOES NOT Matter?! Andrew Wilson IRL! | Dating Talk #205

Date: 2024-10-16
Duration: 7h 08m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jamie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Bella Cakes(guest)
SPEAKER_04Hedy(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Toria Brooke(guest)
SPEAKER_11Yeka(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alissa(guest)

Key Moments

00:03:17
IntroAlissa introduces herself: 28yo real estate agent and residential cleaning LLC owner from Austin TX. Returns to recap divorce and absent ex-husband.

my name is Alyssa I'm 28 I'm a real estate agent and I also um own a cleaning a residential cleaning LLC and I live in Austin

00:03:34
IntroBella Cakes introduces herself: 21yo from Michigan, does OnlyFans (solo + BG with boyfriend) and works at a coffee shop.

hi I'm Bella online I go by Bella cakes um I'm from Michigan I'm 21 and I do only fans and I also work at a coffee shop

00:04:08
IntroJamie introduces herself: 24yo from Santa Barbara CA, stay-at-home parent (formerly paraeducator), some college.

my name is Jamie I'm 24 I'm from uh Santa Barbara California um kind of in a break for work I'm doing uh stay-at-home parenting

00:05:06
IntroYeka introduces herself: 35yo from Bastrop TX, sells gold and silver.

I'm yeka I'm 35 uh I sell gold and silver and I am in Bastrop Texas

00:05:39
IntroToria Brooke introduces herself: 31yo citizen journalist and senior adviser to President Trump, Palm Beach County FL.

I'm Toria Brooke I'm 31 and I'm a citizen journalist and I also work for a senior adviser to president Trump

00:06:01
IntroHedy introduces herself: 30yo from LA area, moved to Salt Lake City with husband 4 years ago, art history degree, between jobs (was in interior design), stay-at-home wife.

hi my name is Hedy I'm 30 years old I'm originally from um Los Angeles area but I moved to Salt Lake City with my husband about 4 years ago

00:06:24
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst and satirist.

my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst political saturnist

00:25:58
QuoteAndrew Wilson states that if he decides not to involve his wife in a decision, that is his choice not hers. Framing of patriarchal household authority.

if it is the case that I do do that right she doesn't have a say so when I feel inclined to do so if necessary she doesn't have a say

01:31:06
QuoteAlissa rates herself an 8/10 after Brian pushes back on her reluctance to rate herself (she initially deflected, then said 8).

eight there we go there we go

02:05:57
QuoteYeka argues that a person living a new life in Christ should not be judged by their past body count — God's forgiveness should matter.

our father has given us the gift of forgiveness if you are living a new life and have been living a new life for years that's what should matter

02:27:00
QuoteAndrew counters Yeka's forgiveness argument using the pedophile analogy: being forgiven for something doesn't mean you let them near your kids.

do you think that um people who have assaulted children... can be forgiven... you going to let them watch your kids no no so just because you've been forgiven for a thing doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly we're just going to look past what you did

02:30:07
QuoteAlissa reveals her body count Instagram poll: ~95% of respondents said body count is NOT a dealbreaker if otherwise compatible.

I made a Instagram poll and asked their age religion political background whatever to account for all the variables... like 95% probably said they don't care it's not a dealbreaker

03:14:00
QuoteAlissa describes seeing her ex instinctively push her behind him during a bar fight — found it very attractive.

I was at an I don't ever go out but we went out the other night and um there was like a big fight that happened at this bar and like the ex automatically like pushed me behind him and it was so hot

03:17:00
ControversyBrian reads Reddit post about woman considering breaking off engagement after fiancé ran away from mugger while her brother stayed and fought. Update: she called off the wedding.

am I the [bleep] for considering breaking up with my fiance because he ran away when we were being attacked... 2 Days Later calls off the wedding

04:30:00
ControversyBrian reveals Alissa came to Santa Barbara with her ex-boyfriend, contradicting her earlier claim to be single. Calls it 'red pill number one'.

so to the viewers you got two massive red pills one she said she was single she's been having sex with her ex-boyfriend for 3 weeks two they've flown out together

04:58:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson predicts Alissa will NOT marry her ex-boyfriend; calls the ex's behavior 'revenge' — he is having fun and will not commit.

100% you're not getting married to this guy you don't think so guarantee it... you screwed him over and he's getting massive revenge and he's literally having a ball doing it

05:00:40
ControversyAlissa admits she was in love with her ex-boyfriend during the entire duration of her marriage, including while saying vows.

I was always in love with him... there's been times where he's like one time he drunk texted me and he was like I've thought an unhealthy amount about raising your kids

06:19:10
QuoteBrian shares that his assault case with on-camera confession was declined by the DA. He won the civil case but argues a female victim would have been prosecuted.

the individuals were actually located... they confessed to assaulting me confessed on body camera... the district attorney did not pursue the charges... had I been a woman they would have prosecuted those guys

Topics Discussed

00:03:13
Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian mentions two separate pending legal threats. Panel covers relationship statuses, longest relationships, divorce details. Alissa recaps her divorce, custody dispute, and absent ex-husband. Bella discusses current boyfriend met on Tinder. Jamie reveals instant pregnancy story. Yeka discusses 5 years single and 3 years celibate. Toria single 1.5 years. Hedy just married in May 2024. Morgan is 18yo SBCC student. Andrew married 10+ years.

00:23:33
Body Count: Does It Matter?

Alissa shares Instagram poll results: ~95% of respondents said body count is not a dealbreaker if otherwise compatible. Andrew Wilson argues body count should matter for multiple reasons (STDs, dopamine downregulation, attachment issues). Brian adds that women are more likely to sleep with high-status men who have slept with many women (asymmetry in how body count reflects on status). Discussion of whether men are hypocrites for caring about women's body counts while ignoring their own. Alissa notes physiological effects apply equally to both sexes. Andrew argues from secular and religious perspectives separately.

00:23:33
Submission, Patriarchal Marriage, and the Bow

Andrew reveals he sometimes makes unilateral household decisions without consulting wife. Debate on whether a woman should 'bow' when her man comes home (Brian plays a video). Panel split: Alissa and others find bowing degrading; Toria would rather split a mortgage than bow; Yeka would bow after exclusivity; Hedy depends on the person. Andrew argues bowing is simply a submission gesture and nothing sinful. Bella Cakes would bow for current boyfriend, not a near-stranger. Andrew's position: patriarchal marriage with man as head; wife should submit unless commanded to sin. Debate on whether Christian wives must obey imperfect husbands (Paul's letters, Ephesians 5:22-24). Jamie says bowing is degrading but not a dealbreaker.

00:31:00
Provider Expectations and Who Pays on Dates

Discussion of what 'being provided for' means for a stay-at-home wife. Andrew probes for specifics: food, shelter, nails, hair, car? Jamie says needs plus some spending money. Bella Cakes says needs and wants. Andrew points out the vagueness and asks who decides at the threshold. Brian confirms all women want man to pay on first date as default expectation. Jamie says splitting is okay if there is chemistry; prefers man to pay but not dealbreaker. Yeka: non-negotiable that man pays first date.

01:24:00
Dating App Profile Reviews

Brian reviews Alissa's dating app profile (read by Alissa): values intellect, nerds/homesteaders, INTP, acts of service, no hookup culture, Instagram: Clementine. Reviews Bella's profile: likes TV shows, INTP personality, Cosmos by Carl Sagan. Reviews Yeka's profile: instant hit, lives biblically, loves conspiracies. Discussion of authenticity and selectiveness of profiles. Chat votes swipe yes/no on each profile.

01:31:00
Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 (prompted by Stiffler in chat). Alissa: 8 (after Brian pushed back on her low initial response). Toria: 8+ (declined to use scale; says men would rate her 8+). Hedy: declined initially; agreed she'd be rated 8+ by 100 men. Morgan: 7 (under peer pressure). Andrew: 10 (joking confident answer). Brian: 5.

01:33:03
Aging & 10-Year Lookback

Brian asks each guest: will you be better-looking in 10 years? Were you better at 25? Alissa (28): better now than at 18; unlikely to keep improving. Bella (21): doesn't know if she'll be 'here' in 10 years (dark hypothetical). Toria (31): believes she ages like fine wine; better at 31 than 21; sees aging well. Hedy (30): better now at 30 than at 20 (cheek fat gone). Would not be better at 40. Yeka (35): better now at 35 than at 25. Instagram throwbacks shown for some guests.

02:05:57
Christian Forgiveness vs. Mate Selection

Yeka argues that if a person has a dark past but is now living a new life in Christ, their past should not matter as God's forgiveness erases it. Andrew counters: forgiveness by God does not obligate Christians to date/marry someone with high body count. Uses example: pedophiles can be forgiven but you still don't let them watch your kids. Both agree it is not hypocritical for a man to reject a woman based on body count even if he has the same count, because dating preferences are not required to be symmetric. Debate on whether it is hypocritical to sleep with someone while rejecting someone who slept with people of same sex.

02:43:00
Bella's 4chan Discord Hookup Story

Bella Cakes explains she started her online presence by posting a selfie on 4chan where it got attention. Built a Discord server with orbiters. One orbiter she connected with drove to Michigan and paid for everything; they met in a hotel and hooked up.

02:44:20
Women Having It Easier in Dating

Bella says women have it easier because men want sex so badly and do the approaching. Toria disagrees: hotter women get approached less because men fear rejection. Bella clarifies she means unattractive women have it hard, not attractive women. Andrew agrees women have it easier overall. Discussion of women's leverage vs. actual relationship quality. Brian says even unattractive women get male attention. Debate on whether patriarchy created women's 'easier' dating experience.

03:13:00
Fiance Running from Mugger: Would You Leave?

Brian reads Reddit post: woman's fiance ran away when they were mugged; brother stayed and beat attacker. Woman considering breaking off engagement. Two days later she called off the wedding. Panel: Alissa would get the ick and lose attraction to a man who ran. Toria: would leave — a man who can't defend you can't defend your family. Yeka: would chalk it up as a weak moment but not necessarily leave. Hedy: would reconsider given lifelong commitment of marriage. Alissa notes her ex instinctively pushed her behind him during a bar fight — found it hot.

04:29:00
Alissa's Marriage Revelation: In Love With Ex During Marriage

Brian and Andrew reveal Alissa came to Santa Barbara with her ex-boyfriend (not disclosed initially). Alissa admits she reconnected with ex after going to retrieve her handgun he had stored. Ex paid thousands toward her divorce retrial lawyer. Ex left 3-year girlfriend for her. Brian identifies 3 'red pills': (1) Alissa claimed single but has been sleeping with ex for 3 weeks; (2) she was in love with/fantasizing about ex during her marriage; (3) the ex she originally left when she chose to move to Austin (her own fault). Andrew predicts she will not end up marrying him; calls it 'revenge.' Alissa insists it's the real thing; ex's family and friends are unsurprised by reunion.

05:21:00
Misogynist or Not: Brian vs Andrew

Brian asks panel to rate who is more misogynist: him or Andrew. Most say Brian. Alissa says probably more Brian but Andrew's autocratic husband views initially seemed more concerning. Jamie says Brian. Yeka says neither. Toria says depends on definition. Hedy says she disagrees with both at times. Brian jokes he calls men names on the show too (called male feminists degenerate). Andrew says he would say mean things to men and women equally.

06:11:50
Are Women Oppressed?

Bella argues women are oppressed because their value is based on appearance. Brian and Andrew push back: ugly women still get male attention, ugly men do not. Panel discusses whether the same sex or opposite sex treats ugly people worse. Brian shares his own assault case: DA declined to prosecute despite on-camera confession; argues a female victim would have received prosecution. Andrew: police give women more passes (speeding tickets, pat-downs, DUIs). Jamie says yes women are oppressed, especially in workplace wage gaps. Toria links cultural issue to lack of strong male leadership. Debate on whether 'patriarchy' created women having it easier in dating.

06:33:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up

Final TTS roast session. Chat roasts all guests. Brian fails to win a game of solitaire despite being 3 aces in. Twitch raid to W_Grandma. Brian considers dropping to one show per week in 2025 due to recruitment difficulty and burnout. Final goodbyes.

Transcript

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04:44:30
Alissaerroneous of men who want what that act literally try to get me to date them that's not there's no lacking I don't I don't even think I'm I'm special I think
04:44:41
Brian Atlaslike most women probably have look as a woman you don't get the W until you have the ring I had it just be yeah but you don't have it now yeah I haven't even
04:44:52
Brian Atlasbeen in the long that's the L yeah but you don't have like the the ring because just because men want to [ __ ] you that's not the W I don't think that they want
04:45:02
Alissato just [ __ ] me but I think well I know that plenty of men want to date me I just left a scenario with someone who literally was asking my ringside already and I just didn't want to be with him
04:45:14
Alissabut you're like oh all these dudes in my DMs not saying every single one of them want to but many of them have made them very made it very clear that they want to be with me that's just the life of a woman okay exactly this girl next to you
04:45:26
Alissasays it's easy mode for dating I literally just said I don't think it's just me I think it's probably all of us have at least a handful but what he's saying yeah that's your default but what he's saying is that that men think I'm
04:45:38
Alissatalking about his comment can you stay focused he's saying that they avoid us like the plague that's such [ __ ] who the [ __ ] are you being avoided you might be because you're married do men avoid
04:45:48
Andrew Wilsonyou like the plague you no okay what are you talking about his comment so I think what we respond I think to be charitable with the comment you can I guess you can be literal with it that's fine but I'd
04:46:00
Andrew Wilsonbe charitable to it I think he's talking about long-term committed relationships and the reason I would say that is because he keeps on contrasting it with his right but I'm saying like there's
04:46:10
Alissalike two very recent options for literal like two people literally trying to move me in and my kids I'm just I go slow but you don't like them so it doesn't
04:46:23
Brian Atlasmatter but yeah not enough to move in with them it's just early right but I would do it with this one person though wait you're [ __ ] two dudes no no no
04:46:33
TTS Readerno no I got rid of one Johnny spiral donated $69.69 daddy likes it when Kitty says meow
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04:46:52
TTS Readerkitty sincerely Johnny spiral what the [ __ ] all right Johnny uh thank you Mary
04:47:00
TTS Readerappreciate it yakon donated $69 Yak the men you want you like the plague bring about men you don't want is a much bigger L than you think it is but like I
04:47:12
Brian Atlasliterally have one that I want that's like if a guy was like yo I approached 10 girls and they all rejected me like that's not a w I'm not rejecting one though that's I've literally not been
04:47:24
TTS Readerdivorced D daon jackon that's your new name donated $69 men will say anything to women to get in their pants will will theyy out of it and get with reality the right man
04:47:36
Alissawill tell you the truth will they what will they uh like buy your new divorce divorce lawyer and then fly out to California with you and
04:47:47
Andrew Wilsonuh the guy did that yeah that's the ex that I got my gun from an old X yeah he paid for and the divor the retrial lawyer and did you
04:47:58
Andrew Wilsonguys hook up yeah yeah well then yeah of course where's he where's he now that's what you call that's what you call Airbnb flown out but yeah never mind oh so you came
04:48:09
Brian Atlaswith here well yeah I you came with him here yeah I was like yo come with me you said you're single okay well I am single you're literally going to go [ __ ] a guy tonight but we're there like hold on
04:48:21
Alissawe're talking again and trying to get to know each other again it's been like 5 years but yes I would I would literally marry him tomorrow wait so when did you relink when I had to get my gun and then we saw each other and it was like over
04:48:33
Brian Atlaswith when was that a few weeks ago like two weeks ago how many times have you guys been
04:48:42
Alissahanging out um so I saw him that day and then you guys live in the same city no okay go ahead go ahead continue
04:48:52
Alissathen um after that it was like I don't know he came to visit for this trip a few like so he came Friday and then he's been we've just been around each other since then just to see if it can work again to like you know because it's been
04:49:04
Brian Atlasa long time like are we the same people do we want the same things and I this is why I don't believe when women say they're single like they're [ __ ] at least one dude bro it's crazy you said you were single didn't I ask if there's a guy in the picture I don't know if you
04:49:17
Brian Atlassaid no no no you didn't ask if there's a guy in the picture you just ask if are relationship I don't want to say I'm in a relationship I'm single but I've been [ __ ] a guy for a month and we took a trip
04:49:28
Andrew Wilsontogether he paid for he paid for my divorce lawyer and we by the way I would marry him tomorrow I would cuz we have like two and a half we were together two and a half years the first single well we're figuring it out like we might not
04:49:40
Brian Atlasend up together so okay how long you been in Santa Barbara since yesterday okay so were have you been aart at all like did you go out to get like a bite to eat and he
04:49:52
Brian Atlasstayed at the hotel yeah yeah so if a guy stepped to you and approached you and asked for your number in seeing anybody else so you're not single then okay well if if that's the Baseline but
04:50:04
Brian Atlasit's hard you know like today's standards of what's dating is like viewed if you reject ay who you would otherwise be interested in you're not single I think but I also kind of have
04:50:16
Alissaand she taught me this this idea that like you're single until you're married and I think that's a good point what you're single until you're married yeah a lot of women feel that way she belongs to the streets y back to
04:50:28
Brian Atlasthe streets you go no I only sleep with one person at a time imagine a girl said that [ __ ] you've been dating her for 3 years you're going to propose oh I'm single I'm single [ __ ] out back to the streets you it's only been a few days
04:50:40
Alissaokay so it's been three weeks you just said until marriage single huh you just said until marriage single good yeah I don't think it'll be long I think it's a real po possibility at least that that
04:50:52
Brian Atlascould be the result was he dating you while you were a stripper yes yeah how much was your
04:51:04
Alissaretrial um $5,000 and but my stepmom put a little towards it so there's like there's like a it's a lot I can't talk too much about the retr stuff either Andy paid for your flight
04:51:17
Brian Atlasand the trip out here he did not pay for my flight he paid for his lo oh okay so he joined you on the trip yes okay I mean that's not as I suppose it's not as
04:51:27
Alissabad he you just reconnected and he's given you a thousands of dollars well but we had a very special connection and since then have not been able like we both special connection so he's like
04:51:39
Alissasingle two years after I broke up with him and then I got married and then he dated a girl for some years and like we both realized like we were trying to why did it end
04:51:48
Alissaoriginally I wanted to move to Austin and he was kind of anchored in the Dallas area that's one reason also I had a lot of growing to
04:51:58
Andrew Wilsondo like so you were a [ __ ] yeah yeah M I really was it like and we didn't like but it wasn't did he pay do you at the time did
04:52:11
Andrew Wilsonyou have any children no and now you have two children yes and he has zero he has zero mhm is that hard for you to conceptualize Andrew I'm going to
04:52:24
Andrew Wilsonexplain if I'm going to explain this phenomenon right well no I mean I wasn't the ex of my wife sorry but but let me explain let me explain the phenomenon here no every every single
04:52:37
Andrew Wilsonsituation is different I'm not beating up on somebody for being a step father but this situation here is dated you had no kids okay uh you weren't good enough
04:52:47
Andrew Wilsonfor me gone right by your own admission you weren't good enough I'm gone then you end up with another guy end up having his kids now suddenly guy number two who's the ex is suddenly good enough
04:52:59
Alissafor you just pointing this out that this is a phenomenon which happens of it happens but I'm telling you it was always this guy for me like it was not like Oh I thought this guy would be better it was this isn't working this guy's totally different so maybe that's
04:53:11
Alissawhat I need even though I'm crazy about you this is just not good and um then I was like this is I just in all that time we could not get each other off each the other's mind and it was very mutual does
04:53:23
Brian Atlasthe new guy have resources um yeah he does wait the ENT sorry could you repeat that the entire time even while you were married to your yeah I was always in love with him but
04:53:35
Andrew Wilsonyou can be in love with someone and and not be healthy and not want to be with them hold I'm sorry no I don't think you can I think you can no I really don't think you can I think that I think that anybody who would marry anybody who was
04:53:47
Brian Atlasin love with somebody else is um well I don't think I necessarily always knew that I still wait can can we just not hold on I'm sorry I we need we I need
04:53:58
Brian Atlasyou to repeat that because I don't want us to just glance over it [Music] because one more time so this guy who's
04:54:08
Brian Atlasyour ex who you're now he paid thousands of dollars for your retrial lawyer used to date
04:54:16
Brian Atlashim while you were married to your husband you were thinking of your
04:54:25
Andrew Wilsonex yeah often during sex no no no no Jesus Christ no you probably were you just I would tell you I don't give a [ __ ] no would I admit just about how
04:54:37
Alissamuch you love this guy wait and did you it took me a while to F out like did you date you talking to him while you were married um yes my husband knew but it wasn't often it was just like ever so
04:54:48
Brian Atlasoften bro throughout the years the here and there red pill massive red pill and did you had you dated besides your H ex-husband had you dated other
04:54:58
Brian Atlasmen like in between so like you broke up with your ex were there other guys no so it was ex husband back with the ex who
04:55:08
Brian Atlasyou love the entire duration of your marriage with the guy yeah so
04:55:16
Alissasort of um after I left my husband the ex had a girlfriend so I I did like go on a few dates with one other guy um but when I saw my ex I had to go get my
04:55:29
Alissa[ __ ] gun or else we would not have ever probably seen each other again um but then yeah I was told the other guy I was like hey you know I'm not with my ex or anything but I'm just going to let you know I don't I can't be with you
04:55:41
Alissaafter seeing him or anybody for that matter so I called that off and now we're just like seeing if if it if we're just romanticizing Nostalgia or if it's like a genuine
04:55:55
Andrew Wilsonconnection but I think it like I would like talk and I would say it to my friends I'd be like I feel like he's going to text me soon and we so it um it wasn't purposeful that you went to pick up this this object that you that you
04:56:07
Alissaneeded it was not purposeful to see him in any way okay I didn't know that he had the gun for a few years because at one point and that's I can't talk about that cuz it's legal stuff um but anyway he got the gun again at some point and when I was with
04:56:20
Alissamy ex-husband I did I couldn't have a gun because my ex-husband was a felon so it wasn't a concern that he had it it yeah so you ditched this guy for a felon you had kids with well but he's not like he he sold weed when he was 19 it wasn't
04:56:33
Brian Atlaslike he was on like a violent criminal okay he was yeah yeah it wasn't like and he had his [ __ ] together for he's just I I can't say that either um but it's not like what you're envisioning when when
04:56:43
Brian Atlasyou were uh saying your vows you got married right mhm uh were you still in love with your exboyfriend I wasn't like thinking about
04:56:53
Alissahim at that time you said you were well I probably was looking back like you can reflect like I don't know if you know what it's like to turn off feelings but when that relationship didn't work I just put it out of my head for a long time
04:57:05
Alissasociopath it just took you know you can bury things for a while but eventually they come up and that's essentially what but it also came up like cuz my husband treated me awful and I'm like God I
04:57:17
Brian Atlasthought that was toxic before after the wedding after so he was treating you well before you got married yeah weren't you treating him awful by being in a relationship with him while you were
04:57:29
Alissastill wanting to [ __ ] and be with your ex again at that point I wasn't actively thinking about my ex like this is just something that kind of you admitted that you while you were with him right this
04:57:40
Brian Atlasis you know her your ex wait so just to be here's the timeline so because mind typically you know the further you get away from a relationship the less and
04:57:50
Brian Atlasless feelings you have you get over it so you're saying you break up with your guy and then no feelings and there feelings for a little bit but so how did
04:58:01
TTS Readerit go from uh okay breakup feelings feelings dwindling and then feelings donated 9 it's you endless stream of [ __ ]
04:58:13
TTS Readersimps that create women like this it's unbelievable to listen to get your ship together fellas I I think you're walking back the these claims about your so I tried to
04:58:25
Alissainvest in something new and I did successfully put the ex out of my mind for a long time as things got tumultuous between me and my husband it became harder to especially since my ex is also
04:58:37
Alissalike reaching out at this time so it's like Reawakening things um so it just kind of like came and then when I reflected because I can turn things off
04:58:49
Andrew Wilsonwhen I reflected I realized like I built a whole life subconsciously to try to kind of get away from him this total I'm just going to be totally this totally sounds like this
04:58:59
Andrew Wilsonguy's a plan B he I swear to God always anybody who knows me knows okay goodbye it's okay I can leave you behind you marry another guy and then when nothing works out this other dude he's there
04:59:12
Alissaright I would have never left if it didn't get so toxic at the end with him and it also felt like I was like well I mean but that just reaffirms that it was Plan B right I mean but no no it was not
04:59:26
Alissait's not like I'm just oh well I'm divorced now so I'm going to go because there's tons of people that I could do that with there's people with more money that I could I mean I don't know like I'm not inside your mind I'm not inside your heart objectively I get it's
04:59:38
Andrew Wilsonimpossible for me to actually determine your intent do I have kind of my own thoughts on it of course it sounds kind of silly to me but the thing is is like it's also possible that you're totally
04:59:49
Andrew Wilsontelling the truth I I I can't determine your intent but I am going to make one prediction right 100% you're not getting married to this guy you don't think so guarantee it maybe not I guess it'll be
05:00:00
Brian Atlasup to him mhm cuz I'm letting him lead yeah weeks you think maybe you could be right
05:00:10
Brian Atlasso to the viewers you got two massive red pills one she said she was single she's been having sex with her ex-boyfriend for 3 weeks two they've
05:00:22
Brian Atlasflown out together we didn't see each other for one he's invested in her paid for her lawyers but she's single the second red pill the second
05:00:32
Brian Atlasred pill is that during the course of her marriage she was fantasizing about her ex that part is fair that's red pill number two the part is
05:00:44
Alissafair but the first part's so [ __ ] because I am single because we haven't agreed that like okay we're going to for sure do this we're just figing out Johnny spiral donated
05:00:57
TTS Reader$69.69 I love you honey and my ex I let guys watch me take off my clothes while you're at work I can't stop thinking
05:01:06
TTS Readerabout my ex and his juicy red hot dog good little doggy sincerely Johnny spiral I haven't danced in like 10 years y'all I don't know thank you Johnny oh
05:01:18
Brian Atlasthere's a third say your ex was around during that right or like eight years or something like that yeah okay there does exist actually a third red pill that Andrew pointed out and this is the fact that you dated him they the ex guy you
05:01:32
Brian Atlasdated him he sound sounded great but you said there was a move that you wanted to make and that you were you were being a sh there were a lot of issues like
05:01:42
Brian Atlasit mostly because of you mostly me yes like I did the bigger things but so the bigger red pillar is
05:01:51
Brian Atlasthat relationship ended you now have two kids from another man and you are now back with him now that we
05:02:03
Alissadon't know yet what Andrew said we don't know yet he Andre put it much more eloquently he has to see like we have to see if he can if he's really willing to take on kids and if we're still
05:02:15
Andrew Wilsoncompatible and if we even still know each other that's red pill number four hang on that's not the key that's not the key the key isn't what he's willing to do the key was when you said I would
05:02:24
Andrew Wilsonmarry him tomorrow yeah okay so the the key in here is like just so you know right if that is the case no there's not going to be the marriage there not going to be this
05:02:36
Andrew Wilsonthere's not going to be any of that say why do you say that because you're a play toy he you you screwed him over and he's getting massive revenge and he's having he's literally having a ball
05:02:47
Andrew Wilsondoing it he left a relationship to get back with me that he had been in in 3 years he doesn't give a [ __ ] about no relation oh now he left his relationship too I have boy this is real what what he
05:03:00
Alissaleft his relationship what wait he was dating a chick yeah and so once I got divorced it was like so what and then but we saw each other in person
05:03:12
Brian Atlasand we it just was like day one and so we both were like we can't not do this dude you know wait so no I'm not a play toy I sure you chat here's red pill number four you said when it came to
05:03:25
Brian Atlasyour kids I think you said something along the lines of and you can just restate it if I get it wrong you're still trying to figure out if he's like kind of ready to take on the the father
05:03:36
Brian Atlasrole well not and not right off the bat but like anytime you date someone when have can you just restate what you said something about like you have to see if if he can
05:03:46
Brian Atlashandle you know playing stepdad how many kids do you have two two and how old are they two and three don't you think having that conversation would be appropriate we've had the conversation
05:03:59
Alissabefore you [ __ ] him again no we've had the conversation for years the reality of you but hold on you were with your husband I tried to file for divorce
05:04:08
Alissacouldn't because I was pregnant then he got me pregnant again we'll say that through no fault of your own genuinely
05:04:17
Alissaknow and um anyway so so I was kind of like stuck but my husband knew I told him like I don't want to be with you the second thing I can leave I'm going to
05:04:28
AlissaI'm in love with him so this is just what it is this the wild [ __ ] story I was never this is the wildest [ __ ] never not honest about it and so we would just text ever so often and there's been
05:04:41
Brian Atlastimes where he's like one time he drunk texted me and he was like I've thought an unhealthy amount about raising your kids and I don't know if I can have kids all these things so I get I get that you guys have had conversations in the past
05:04:53
Brian Atlaswhen you guys were used to be dating and you talked about what does the future hold are we going to have kids you have kids now no no no we've had these conversations since I had kids sure
05:05:03
Brian Atlasthat's fine but you have kids now what conversation is there to be had you have kids right it's either get get on
05:05:13
Alissaboard why would why would you date a guy who's not you can conceptually be okay with it but and I'm not letting everybody around my kids so you can't by no no because you can't just let anybody
05:05:24
Alissaaround your kids so anybody that you talk to might think they can do it but until if they don't have children they don't know the reality of being around [ __ ] toddlers all the time it can be
05:05:34
Andrew Wilsonoverwhelming so that's what the trial is about like you think you can handle this can you and also you had something I just wanted to make sure that I reiterated
05:05:48
Andrew Wilsonthis correctly you can correct me if I am wrong you [ __ ] Tourette's going you dated you dat you have tours now too well I've always had tours yes I have
05:05:59
Andrew Wilsonmotor no no no I I have persistent motor tick Disorder so like just notal all right all right got you so CH some mil anyway just kidding so we start with
05:06:10
Andrew Wilsonwhen you were doing stripping and only fans you meet this guy you dated him you loved him you adored him right but you were a [ __ ] and so when he moved um
05:06:22
Andrew Wilsonyou guys broke up right and this was mostly your fault that's very short version yeah mostly your fault okay so now you enter into your marriage you get married to this guy uh you think he's
05:06:33
Andrew Wilsongreat at first you marry you're still secretly pining after your ex though you have buried these feelings and about the time that you get pregnant the first time uh that's when you really decide oh [ __ ] I
05:06:46
Andrew Wilsondon't want to be married to this guy anymore and that's when the feelings of the ex really begin to reawaken well that's when like all the abusive crazy [ __ ] started to happen but that's when the feelings for the ex really started
05:06:56
Alissato unbury themselves maybe after that um it kind of like unfolded very slowly
05:07:05
Andrew Wilsonokay um and then it moves okay got it and then it moves who's now pass this to your divorced from the ex you met up
05:07:15
Andrew Wilsonback up with him cuz you wanted to go get your boom boom stick and um he happened to have it for whatever reason and there was a little bit more going on than just the boom boom stick there was two boom boom sticks over there
05:07:26
TTS Readerapparently you wanted so you go over there right you get both of them Manda donated $69 this chick has officially made me
05:07:36
Alissawant to [ __ ] in my hands right so then okay no okay no hold on I get divorced I'm like yo and he's like well I have a girlfriend and I'm like
05:07:47
Alissaokay fine wait so you hit him up because you wanted to be with him I mean yeah like but he had a girlfriend no no he had like hit me up over the years saying like o and I feel so bad talking about
05:07:59
Andrew Wilsonthis cuz I'm sure yeah it's [ __ ] horrible like wait you you're ex-husband you were having an emotional affair with him because you were in love with this other guy
05:08:09
Andrew Wilsonwell and he was hitting you up and you were actually talking to him and then we fast forward to when you're divorced you hit you hit this other guy up hang on hang on I just want to make sure I got this right when you're divorced you hit
05:08:22
Alissathis other guy up and he's with a chick for and he's been with her for 3 years he left her for you so here's the thing um I was already like done with my husband I just we were legally married
05:08:32
Alissalike I couldn't leave is the issue why couldn't you leave I don't have any family in the state I had two backtack births and like definitely couldn't financially leave couldn't afford a
05:08:44
Alissadivorce attorney he's also telling me if I left there would it was scary okay the okay so I was kind of just like stuck for a while and um simultaneously
05:08:57
Alissahe had been with the girl for a few years it wasn't going anywhere he wants a traditional woman like someone to start a life with and have children and she didn't want to do that she wanted do
05:09:09
Alissathe boss babe I'm getting my PhD no I'm not going to he bought a house and he gave her the opportunity to move in with her him and live there so like it wasn't that serious um but they kind of just had like totally independent lives after
05:09:22
Andrew Wilson3 years but essentially what happened is we found the opposite of each other thinking that would be better and then it very mutually like that's that sounds very romanticized and like I'm not
05:09:33
Andrew Wilsonsaying it also it also sounds really like um you're trying to fit the pieces together in order to form a a narrative that you like right well maybe but I've
05:09:45
Alissatalked to other people and dated other people married other people and for I can at least speak for myself that that's it's not comparable okay so no but so listen
05:09:55
Alissaso he had texted me actually a few times and I'm like um you know well if are we going to [ __ ] do it or not because I'm not going to do this while you have a girlfriend so like you have to get rid of the girlfriend so
05:10:08
Alissathen he's like I don't I don't know it was pretty toxic with us maybe not so then I go through a whole grieving process he still with the girlfriend and you're the other woman no no no we
05:10:16
Andrew Wilsondidn't do anything no no no no wait wait wait back up if you're telling him if you want me you have to ditch her you're The Other Woman okay so yes but nothing's happening at this point yeah I
05:10:28
Alissaget you're not screwing him but you're still the other woman right okay so sure she was she was borrowing him for me really but yes whatever anyway I go through a whole grieving process I'm
05:10:39
Alissalike [ __ ] this I'm so by the time my house got broken into I even brought a friend with me had the friend knock on the door I didn't want to see him I didn't know how it was going to go but I needed my [ __ ] gun because you apply for a gun mid divorce in Texas
05:10:53
Alissaapparently they're not going to approve it until after your court date cuz they're like you might go kill your ex-husband what do you mean apply for gun attack you don't have to apply for guns you have to do a background check and they can put holds on it yes yeah
05:11:03
Andrew Wilsonfor 3 days nope yeah I did it Andrew so you got denied no I didn't get denied they just never [ __ ] did anything what are you what are you talking about they ran the okay you went down you filled out your 447 the people at
05:11:15
AlissaCabellas told me if you have a pending court date it can take over a month so I'm like okay so then she loans me a gun and it I when the person breaks in my house I noticed the triggers pulled all
05:11:27
Alissathe way back so I couldn't even do anything like if I wanted to and she didn't know that by the way um so I'm like [ __ ] and then I was just like so like shaken by the whole experience I'm like I have to go get my gun so so I did
05:11:39
Andrew Wilsonand I had my friend knock and everything and then he looked out the door and was just like staring and then that was it that was it yeah even though you had been texting him and everything else for years like once every six
05:11:51
Andrew Wilsonmonths or something you got to keep those coals burning yeah yeah that's a that's a wild wild wild H I'm not going to lie wild tale but okay I mean again I
05:12:03
Andrew Wilsondon't you know I don't know the intent and I don't know all the details for the story but I mean it sounds [ __ ] horrible but I don't know all the details so wait Alissa do you still do uh spicy content yeah do you I don't
05:12:17
Alissahave only fans anymore I've done private snap over the years but not currently oh well somebody maybe they might not hear me Andrew but uh you still have an xxx
05:12:27
Andrew WilsonSnapchat can you just say that you have an xxx Snapchat it exists but I don't log into it oh somebody told me okay
05:12:40
Alissaso you're not doing any new content anymore no whatsoever no and even like when I did private snap throughout the divorce proceedings it was just like recycling old [ __ ] to kind
05:12:51
Alissaof like I had to do something cuz I did apply for benefits and got denied somehow I don't know how the [ __ ] that happened I even started a cleaning LLC to have something that I
05:13:03
Alissacould take the kids to work with and got my real estate license but then all that [ __ ] happened with the real estate world where it's like almost impossible to do real estate now so I mean you know my
05:13:15
Alissahusband my ex-husband was not helping with the kids and I had to do something so there was a time even after becoming a Christian yes where I was doing like private snap out of necessity because I don't have like the family members that
05:13:26
AlissaI can call and be like yo it always have a necessity it's like get a job doing telemarketing or some [ __ ] I SW I can even prove it I applied for so many work
05:13:36
Alissafrom home jobs and paid somebody to do my resume even mhm and but the cleaning LLC is getting me by right now so cleaning houses
05:13:46
Alissamhm okay when you have kids to support you got to humble yourself you know I have supported kids for it's honestly kind of thetic though like I
05:13:55
Andrew Wilsondon't dislike it yeah okay all right I mean I don't really know where to take that story
05:14:04
Alissabecause I I think we've said all to be said people will can commit it's not an issue weeks just just my op weeks you could you could definitely be right
05:14:16
Alissathings like that are so fragile anyway like I'm not naive to the fact that honeymoon period for sure yeah I'm not naive to that and then the Revenge will come you'll see it's Revenge I've implanted it in your brain now and
05:14:28
Andrew Wilsonyou're going to be thinking like that motherfucker's right it was Revenge you wanted Revenge the whole time that's not I'm not naive to that he's sitting you know what he's sitting at the Airbnb right now and he's like excellent
05:14:39
Alissabut then heway this [ __ ] this [ __ ] just told on me what the [ __ ] I don't I don't think he would have left the PHD plus the shock on actually everyone who knows us is not going to be shocked they all know on both sides of our F our my whole family is already
05:14:52
Alissalike yeah yeah we've been waiting for this [ __ ] to happen all our friends like everybody's known no one's surprised but
05:15:00
Alissaum it is crazy I know it's crazy though all right
05:15:10
Brian AtlasI'm g go uh I'm go have a smoke I got some more questions I got questions not related to that but all right that's uh that's an interesting story
05:15:24
Brian Atlasuh good talk good talk um before I get into a few more of my notes any dating topics anybody wants to uh head on it's
05:15:34
Brian Atlasbeen a year since I left my husband and more years than that really yeah yeah you got some you got anything what you got for us um single a year before I
05:15:47
Bella CakesI know I've been you've been sitting quiet for a minute oh I've just I'm just getting tired that's why what you got for us um I mean you got some you got some things you want to say well I need
05:15:59
Brian Atlasan opinion first to counteract okay I got some hold on one second all right here we go uh I'll throw out some hot takes okay I'm the accent's cringe never
05:16:12
Brian Atlasmind uh so most men do not care or find you more attractive because of your Career Success money or academic achievement
05:16:24
Brian Atlaswait what was the can you repeat it sorry oh okay all right once again most men do not care or find you more attractive
05:16:33
Brian Atlasbecause of your Career Success money academic achievement I agree with that I think most men Value Beauty any disagreements disagree I'd say it varies from Men to Men man to man
05:16:46
Brian Atlasyeah there's some like simps out there that like want to get pegged I yeah for sure but like generally speaking I don't think men care do you disagree with that
05:16:58
Hedystatement generally speaking no I don't you have something well I with my husband he's always stated that he appreciates that you know I'm ambitious and you know want to do more more than
05:17:09
Hedyjust I guess you know I mean obviously I want to be a stay-at home mom soon but after that once my kids are growing up I would also like to you know maybe go back into my field wait so when you uh
05:17:22
Brian Atlaswhen your kids are growing up how many kids do you want I would like to have like three probably three or four three or four and then when you say kids are growing up 18 plus uh probably high
05:17:32
Brian Atlasschool age okay so three to four kids so for a 22e period of time you want to be a you're going to be a stay-at home Mom I would like to I don't know I don't know if that's what you want right I
05:17:43
Hedywould like to yes but he he also likes that I had you know I have a background I have a art history I had an art history degree art hisory um and I
05:17:51
Hedyworked in interior design for a bit I'm kind of in between right now um I don't know wait I'm sorry what's that
05:18:02
Hedyreference his Kirby Enthusiast he's okay I'm Sor so what do you do for work I'm in between jobs right now I was just I was working in interior design I'm looking to continue working in interior
05:18:13
Hedydesigns but just between positions and you have your bachelor's yes okay and your husband has told you that he is like he likes that I'm a well-rounded person that I'm not just
05:18:26
Hedyyou know I think he likes that I have Ambitions and would like to possibly start a business in the future it's just not the immediate future
05:18:34
Hedy2050 no no probably within the next like 10 to 15 years when kids are in school but you said you want to be stay at home well they're well they until your kids are well until the first ones
05:18:48
Hedyin high school about you know when they're in school so I could work during while they're in school time if that makes sense clarify well I mean I get that like I mean even me as much of an
05:18:58
Brian Atlas[ __ ] as I am if I was talking to a girl and she had some job I'm not going to like tank my chances with her and be like yeah [ __ ] your job
05:19:09
Brian Atlasdon't care I'll be like oh babe wow you are [ __ ] secretary good job no but ambition is is can be attractive like for example right you
05:19:21
Brian Atlasknow people do these little lies where it's like you're at your wife asks you do I look fat in this dress and you're like you don't tell her that you just you say like yeah just a bit no I'm just
05:19:33
Brian Atlaskidding but um should you say no babe you look great you don't look fat in that dress whatever in the same way as a guy you can't just [ __ ] on your woman's like if
05:19:44
Brian Atlasshe has a job you can't just [ __ ] on it you kind of got to be like I mean Andrew would I would I'd be tempted to but I would probably do the whole like no you
05:19:55
Brian Atlasdon't look fat in that dress oh you work for some faceless corporation that doesn't give a [ __ ] about you congratulations I love your ambition no he no I would say that [ __ ]
05:20:08
Hedyto her face be like I don't give a [ __ ] about your job I'm pretty mean I do send my breakfast back sometimes I was going to say my husband first of all will say tell me I look fat but don't do that no no he will say oh you gained weight or
05:20:19
Hedysomething and I do the same thing I think wait your husband was like your art history degree is so no but sexy no no but he he likes that you know I'm not just sitting on my butt all day just you
05:20:32
Hedyknow I mean what do you think of Van go are you uh I do I do like van go I I like post impr are you into modern art not as much no I like post impressionism I like Baroque I like Renaissance yeah I
05:20:43
Brian Atlas[ __ ] with Baroque you're an Arty person not at all not okay um all right uh moving on uh
05:20:54
Brian Atlaslet's see oh boy okay uh oh I have seen some artwork done by a woman in the studio about Brian though I have seen some of that I
05:21:07
Brian Atlashave a couple fan art yeah but I saw a woman who was sending you sending you art once oh does yeah that's we she was trying to win your heart yeah we don't
05:21:18
Brian Atlastalk about that yeah uh okay let's see here let's I'm going to go through my stack then we'll do a row session then we'll wrap the show so
05:21:27
Brian Atlas[ __ ] do you guys think that Andrew or myself the grammar is totally [ __ ] on this um Andrew or me
05:21:39
Brian Atlasme or Andrew Andrew or I Andre or I Andrew or I do you think I no wait do you think me or do you think I am look I'm an ESL
05:21:49
Brian Atlasstudent English is my second language what's your language French French okay uh do you think I'm misogynist or do you think Andrew is a
05:22:01
Brian Atlasmisogynist going around the table starting with you miss Clementine um probably more you more me you do seem
05:22:13
Andrew Wilsonlike you're kind of andw at least goes down on women from what I heard last episode that's what they the whole F I did we not catch that I have never said anything of the sort is ridiculous
05:22:25
Brian Atlasridiculous you just can you just repeat it I don't know I don't think we had it on you God did I do this um so I'm more of a just go ahead just say well that
05:22:36
Alissawell I'm just [ __ ] around but I I said probably you are more misog I really don't think either one of you I think you probably have a bad history with women and you inflate your [ __ ] but
05:22:47
BackgroundI think you know cuz he at least goes down on girls so he's really slightly that's [ __ ]
05:22:55
Alissadisgusting slightly less I want to go home women hating wait because he does that yeah
05:23:06
Alissayeah couldn't you wa what episode was this what episode was armir feminist armpit hair feminist episode okay well that's what they said
05:23:18
Brian Atlaswhy why would that make you a m like would a woman be a misandrist if she didn't suck dick yes okay this darn mandas this misry that's what next time a girl won't go
05:23:31
Alissadown on me I'll be like you [ __ ] [ __ ] mandress but I think probably manting piece of [ __ ] I think probably he probably likes women more the [ __ ] on
05:23:42
Andrew Wilsona gen like on a fundamental level at least I want women to vote that's because that's because of how much you hate them Brian I love them enough to liberate I
05:23:52
Andrew Wilsonlove them enough to liberate them from such an atrocious responsibility you really don't think women should Vote or be I think most people have brought
05:24:00
Andrew Wilsonthat up well yeah that's true yeah most people he's also like just nicer Andre to women General yeah it's like the first time this has
05:24:12
Andrew Wilsonever been stated ever in the history of the podcast usually usually yeah usually I get labeled as being the absolute monster and you get labeled as the person who's nice well I don't think
05:24:24
Alissayou're like not nice but I think your respect for women is Just a Little Bit Stronger again this has got to be a first am I wrong on the whatever wrong are you going to look at me and tell me
05:24:36
Brian Atlasthat I'm wrong no I'm not wrong look at your face you know it I just it's funny because I like I know Andrew's positions on so many things but I like it's just you would
05:24:47
Alissafind his positions I think pretty upsetting and that's why I think your statement is funny yeah but he still treats women like people when they talk like you can be a little
05:25:01
Brian Atlasaggressive and like absolutely [ __ ] Savage but but I don't think either one of you are just like sorry that I don't
05:25:09
Brian Atlaspamper and go oh oh my dear oh you you were emotionally cheating on your ex-husband and while you were [ __ ] your husband I don't give a [ __ ] about
05:25:20
Brian Atlasthat part when you were [ __ ] your husband oh sweetie a you sweet summer Oh My Sweet Summer child oh you were thinking of your your ex while you were
05:25:30
Brian Atlas[ __ ] your husband your husband was having he thought he was in love with you he was like hitting it but am I wrong no he no he knew he didn't think anything I was very upfront like
05:25:41
Brian Atlasautistically direct about so he was [ __ ] you and you're like yeah I'm thinking about [ __ ] I never thought about my extern sex what yes you did no I didn't don't
05:25:52
Alissastop lying I'm not visual person why would I admit any of this other [ __ ] if I was going to lie about thatu you're a [ __ ]
05:25:59
Andrew Wilsonliar no but am I wrong I have always thought that the a
05:26:08
Andrew Wilsoncharge that of how horrible I am to women has been wildly overstated and uh over or not ever contextualized as to
05:26:19
Alissaum the fact that all I do is just argue with them the same way that I would men yeah I think that's fine I think the fund like would you play stepdad for anybody what does that have to do I just think that he has a little bit more
05:26:32
Alissaempathy and genuine love for women that's all I don't I don't think being a stepfather Pro that I think I I think if you're super misogynistic you're not even going to consider it what I don't
05:26:45
Brian Atlasthis whole think about MOG I want to like kind of pull a little bit back from this point you're making because it's one I hear frequently so this idea that like for example these me men who are in
05:26:55
Brian Atlascells that be like oh you must hate women because you can't get women the most misogynistic men in the world [ __ ]
05:27:05
Brian Atlastons of like players are super misogynistic so this idea that oh you can't get women saying no I'm not that's not what I'm saying but I'm kind of
05:27:15
Brian Atlaspulling it back from oh well you wouldn't do this so therefore like I wouldn't be a stepfather therefore I have less empathy for women so it's like
05:27:26
Brian Atlasoh it's kind of the similar argument as oh you can't get these men who can't get women or don't have success with women and they're more inclined towards
05:27:36
Brian Atlasmisogyny it's actually the play dudes it's the guys who actually get women and see how y'all move those are the real misogynists no I trust me no I agree
05:27:46
Alissawith you on that trust me but I just think his fundamental values probably come from a place of love for women and religion I think and I think some of
05:27:57
Alissathem are inflated for views and I think that I think you probably have a that I do reject I I I always felt like I was very honest about my actual views let me put it like this I think that people who
05:28:09
Alissaview the show probably expect you to be more of an [ __ ] woman than you actually are and I think that Brian you probably have a very fundamental deeply rooted resentment towards women what
05:28:22
Alissaevidence do you have for that with the weight well okay so the last time I was here you talked about how you know like men might have to try five different dates with women before they get approved and the way you talked about it
05:28:33
Alissaand you even said it was personal experience too and there was just such resentment in the tone also what did I say was it vitriol was he being vitriolic I don't know how like I don't
05:28:46
Alissaknow how to explain it but you definitely have some walls up with women for sure but I don't think either one of you are inherently misogynistic I don't even know what that means I have walls up with women what I
05:28:58
Alissawhat what does that mean I don't know I think that maybe when you were do you want me to do you really want me to to give a psycho analysis I can't wait yeah go ahead I'll
05:29:09
AlissaI'll entertain this you're just going to argue it I don't know I think maybe when you were younger you probably got rejected a good bit and also maybe somebody very deeply
05:29:19
Alissahurt you and it could be very genuine a genuine analysis of the negative aspects of [Music]
05:29:29
Andrew Wilsonwomen Brian who hurt you yeah HT who hurt you Brian also the fact that you like the crazy [ __ ] too what are you actually a girl went through your phone
05:29:40
Alissaon the first date and you were with her for 5 years after oh my God be so for real I don't like crazy [ __ ] why did you stay with one for so long first off
05:29:50
Brian AtlasI was incredibly young in so maybe you don't now absolutely not no okay I can I can I can buy that yeah you know you have learning experiences you're like when you're
05:30:02
Andrew Wilsonyoung especially men like you don't know what crazy is until you land on it that's true this is like [ __ ] reverso Bizarro
05:30:12
Andrew Wilsonland but am I wrong like you guys are you're WR he's Brian's actually super nice he's super nice to everybody I've never seen him not actually nice sometimes cuz he's like you he has he
05:30:24
Andrew Wilsonhas you have like weird tism but he has OCD oh actually and so sometimes he'll be like that makes sense sometimes sometimes he gets a little tilted or as he puts it right he gets he gets a
05:30:35
Andrew Wilsonlittle upset when his show doesn't go all perfect because of his dumbass OCD uh but no he's uh yeah he's definitely not so so you think you're more
05:30:45
Andrew Wilsonmisogynistic out of the two oh oh most definitely really most definitely well in fact I don't even run from the label like for modern feminists especially they absolutely you just gave
05:30:57
Andrew Wilsonthe answer how how they going to answer objectively like absolutely modern feminists should absolutely consider me to be a misogynist by all by all means think from their perspective sure from their perspective they absolutely should but I don't think that's like who you
05:31:11
Andrew Wilsonare fundamentally I don't think that's true no I I think that they're [ __ ] evil drag scumbag [ __ ] horrible human beings and I'm I'm glad that they see me as a complete and total rejection of
05:31:22
Alissathat like that makes me super happy that means I'm doing my job correctly maybe it's just cuz I'm like a little redpilled but I don't think that makes you misogynistic in reality no but
05:31:34
Brian Atlasfundamentally from their perspect yes for sure for sure he would be the nice one remember I'm the hands maid's taale guy right fascism I I don't see it I don't even get this though like because
05:31:46
Brian Atlasif you actually this idea that because I've been rejected like this is that that this has been sort of the Genesis
05:31:55
Brian Atlasof what you alleged to be misogyny hold on hold on I do have zip it zip it good okay so so misogynist so misogynist um don't even treat them like their people
05:32:06
Brian Atlasit's really interesting because I feel like this is actually much more uh a common occurrence in women a woman gets at 18 the amount of 18-year-old women
05:32:17
Brian Atlasmind you I'm 35 I've had a lot of experience with women and for example I'll still say that I love women I think women are great and uh I don't always understand
05:32:28
Andrew Wilsonthem can't always reason with them can't always logic with them but uh still love him uh God the sister God the mom as opposed to me who genuinely thinks that
05:32:39
Andrew Wilsonmost modern women are just [ __ ] awful don't say that Andrew hide your misogyny hide the misogyny yeah but you know what in my defense most modern women also think most modern women are [ __ ]
05:32:50
Brian Atlasawful just to be totally I think at least us but but to finish my point here is that you got 18-year-old women who have like one bad dating experience with
05:33:00
Brian Atlasa guy they get [ __ ] and chucked some guy they really liked [ __ ] them and ghosts right that gives them cart blanch to
05:33:11
Brian Atlasessentially become full-blown misandrist manh Hatters men are trash uh I'm trying to think men are the same no they like this is cheats women
05:33:22
Brian Atlaswill say this like if I were to say women are trash not a word I've ever said I've never said it people think I've got the most toxic misogynous podcast I've never said women are trash
05:33:33
Brian AtlasI don't believe it 18-year-old women who've had one bad dating experience where they [ __ ] a guy out of their league and he didn't call her back men are trash they dye their hair [ __ ]
05:33:43
Brian Atlaspink they get a septum piercing boom instant like that I have been rejected certainly that's the Genesis and story of almost every single man sure because we're the
05:33:55
Brian Atlasinitiators see you guys get you guys get to walk through life on easy mode you have dating on recruit mode you never as a woman have to really deal with
05:34:05
Brian Atlasrejection the same way men do I agree yeah but the emotion when you say that tells me there's something a little bit resentful there just because
05:34:16
Brian AtlasI'm speaking in an impassioned way I don't think you can you can infer anything from that just because I'm speaking imp passionately but you're asking people who don't know you guys so
05:34:27
Brian Atlasthat's all we can infer from but I I want to say so speaking if I said this monotone which I normally am to begin with that would be
05:34:39
Alissamaybe but it's just a feeling that I get and I haven't heard you tell me how you feel yeah it's just a well what can we base it off of otherwise like we don't
05:34:48
Brian Atlashave a foundation outside of this I can because that between you two you're a stripper because you used to be a sex worker you probably have contempt for men because every single stripper I've
05:35:01
Brian Atlastalked to and every sex worker I've talked to because of their experiences with men they have very poor uh assessments you'd be right we we all
05:35:11
Alissabase life off of our frame of reference and our individual experiences now I love men and even as a dancer I was very like men get [ __ ] in divorces men
05:35:22
Alissasuicide rates like I've always been that way and um but but it wouldn't be unfair for you to think that when you have no other context I would understand all right well I'm going to move it on to
05:35:33
Brian Atlasthe rest of the panel because you talk a lot y y ask me the most [ __ ] well cuz I'm trying to go around the table and then you're like well let me just psychoanalyze you Brian do you think me and Andrew are misogynist um does
05:35:45
Bella Cakesmisogynist like do you mean like woman hater by that uh just mean that you think that men are superior to women oh yeah I think both of you are if that's the definition if that's the definition
05:35:55
Brian AtlasI take it back I don't I don't agree with that definition no cuz I it just be misogyny like uh either hatred or
05:36:05
Brian Atlascontempt of women if it's don't think either of you it doesn't have to be like always trying to give them the most charitable definition possible that is the definition of misogyny trying to be
05:36:17
Andrew Wilsontrying to be Char do you think women are lesser in many ways and in many ways not I don't think men and women are interchangeable widgets since I don't
05:36:31
Andrew Wilsonthink that they're interchangeable widgets I think that they do different things better than each other but uh as far as reproduction life-giving this is something amazing that women can do um and they throw it in the dumpster which
05:36:43
Andrew Wilsonis [ __ ] insane to me but they do it all the time throw right in the trash and I think that men are essentially better at almost everything else definitely yeah I think you guys are misogynists yeah well he said that I
05:36:54
Jamiedidn't you got to okay so what do you what about me what do you think about me am I a misogynist I don't know can you define misy yeah like the hatred and uh for
05:37:06
Brian Atlaswomen thinking they're less um okay have I have I said anything that would indicate Andrew said some things tonight
05:37:16
JamieI haven't yeah no but you guys are sitting next to each other and oh okay guilt by association on the same team right I like how Andrew's trying you have a pro life life next to you to like
05:37:29
Andrew Wilsonbecome more that way okay well I don't know I don't know you I don't know if you're if you say things I mean I think it's totally acceptable and I don't even think women [ __ ] k I think that they're like yeah
05:37:39
Andrew Wilsongood like [ __ ] women suck good that's that honestly that's what I think 90% of the women I talk to right 90% of if you actually talk to them and they're away from the rest of the henpecking [ __ ]
05:37:51
Andrew Wilsonthey're like you're right they're [ __ ] awful they suck I love watching you rip them to Pieces because they're so [ __ ] dumb and they do stupid [ __ ] [ __ ] all day and I can't believe it right that's what they say I
05:38:03
Brian Atlasjust think everybody Su women are misogynistic too wait ask you a question if there were three men coming like you were on the street and you saw three men coming at night and you were alone would
05:38:14
Jamieyou cross the street probably yeah yeah you're a sexist then miss and how huh I've had guys like come up to my car and try to open open my car door in a
05:38:24
Andrew Wilsonparking lot that was busy like a creepy old guy wa did you ask how you're sexist yeah how how is that se you're making you're you're making um value judgments
05:38:35
Jamiebased on their sex I'd probably cross the street based on any negative energy if if it was negative what if it's not negative it's just probably not I don't want to be it depends on if it's like in your
05:38:47
Andrew Wilsonneighborhood you know negative energy what there's not ropes of energy right so here here let me just ask you the question this way we make it super simple okay two women who are walking
05:38:58
Andrew Wilsontowards you who look about your size height build this type of thing okay versus two men right who are average height average build this type of thing it's late at night you have the option
05:39:09
Andrew Wilsonto cross the street would you cross the street for the men before you would the women for the men before the women mhm maybe but it's kind of awkward if
05:39:22
Andrew Wilsonsomebody's walking towards you like to just like immediately cross stre you have the option you just have the option to cross the street in such a way where it's subtle enough where it doesn't look like you're avoiding them but you are it's so weird those are two weird
05:39:34
Jamiequestions they're interesting I probably would just keep walking cuz it's worked across the street could run if they're going to try okay what if it's a group of four group of four mhm I mean hopefully they're going to move over a
05:39:46
Andrew Wilsonlittle bit right on the sidewalk okay so at night you don't cross the street when strange men are walking towards you might yeah you might yeah well it's
05:39:56
Andrew Wilsona that's a value judgment based on sex so and the thing is is like I think that's fine I think it's fine to make value judgments based on sex I think that men do it all the time they're like I'm not going to [ __ ] hire a woman what a nightmare that would be so
05:40:08
Andrew Wilsonthey're making a value judgment based on sex just like if you make a value judgment based on sex you think that men are going to assault you in the dead of night I'm like okay well you know what uh maybe there's something there to support that tons of women seem to think
05:40:20
Andrew Wilsonthat this is the case it's like okay fine go with your int intuition you're because you're a pattern recognition machine just don't get mad at men when they do the same [ __ ] when they're like yeah I don't want to get [ __ ] accused of sa and a bunch of [ __ ] that I
05:40:32
Andrew Wilsonnever did so I ain't hiring no women now I I can't figure out I've never been able to figure out how that's a misogynist take even though I get told all the time it is it seems to me like I'm just making the same value judgment you're