She MISSED Her Ex While MARRIED?! Her Past DOES NOT Matter?! Andrew Wilson IRL! | Dating Talk #205

Date: 2024-10-16
Duration: 7h 08m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jamie(guest)
SPEAKER_03Bella Cakes(guest)
SPEAKER_04Hedy(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Toria Brooke(guest)
SPEAKER_11Yeka(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alissa(guest)

Key Moments

00:03:17
IntroAlissa introduces herself: 28yo real estate agent and residential cleaning LLC owner from Austin TX. Returns to recap divorce and absent ex-husband.

my name is Alyssa I'm 28 I'm a real estate agent and I also um own a cleaning a residential cleaning LLC and I live in Austin

00:03:34
IntroBella Cakes introduces herself: 21yo from Michigan, does OnlyFans (solo + BG with boyfriend) and works at a coffee shop.

hi I'm Bella online I go by Bella cakes um I'm from Michigan I'm 21 and I do only fans and I also work at a coffee shop

00:04:08
IntroJamie introduces herself: 24yo from Santa Barbara CA, stay-at-home parent (formerly paraeducator), some college.

my name is Jamie I'm 24 I'm from uh Santa Barbara California um kind of in a break for work I'm doing uh stay-at-home parenting

00:05:06
IntroYeka introduces herself: 35yo from Bastrop TX, sells gold and silver.

I'm yeka I'm 35 uh I sell gold and silver and I am in Bastrop Texas

00:05:39
IntroToria Brooke introduces herself: 31yo citizen journalist and senior adviser to President Trump, Palm Beach County FL.

I'm Toria Brooke I'm 31 and I'm a citizen journalist and I also work for a senior adviser to president Trump

00:06:01
IntroHedy introduces herself: 30yo from LA area, moved to Salt Lake City with husband 4 years ago, art history degree, between jobs (was in interior design), stay-at-home wife.

hi my name is Hedy I'm 30 years old I'm originally from um Los Angeles area but I moved to Salt Lake City with my husband about 4 years ago

00:06:24
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst and satirist.

my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst political saturnist

00:25:58
QuoteAndrew Wilson states that if he decides not to involve his wife in a decision, that is his choice not hers. Framing of patriarchal household authority.

if it is the case that I do do that right she doesn't have a say so when I feel inclined to do so if necessary she doesn't have a say

01:31:06
QuoteAlissa rates herself an 8/10 after Brian pushes back on her reluctance to rate herself (she initially deflected, then said 8).

eight there we go there we go

02:05:57
QuoteYeka argues that a person living a new life in Christ should not be judged by their past body count — God's forgiveness should matter.

our father has given us the gift of forgiveness if you are living a new life and have been living a new life for years that's what should matter

02:27:00
QuoteAndrew counters Yeka's forgiveness argument using the pedophile analogy: being forgiven for something doesn't mean you let them near your kids.

do you think that um people who have assaulted children... can be forgiven... you going to let them watch your kids no no so just because you've been forgiven for a thing doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly we're just going to look past what you did

02:30:07
QuoteAlissa reveals her body count Instagram poll: ~95% of respondents said body count is NOT a dealbreaker if otherwise compatible.

I made a Instagram poll and asked their age religion political background whatever to account for all the variables... like 95% probably said they don't care it's not a dealbreaker

03:14:00
QuoteAlissa describes seeing her ex instinctively push her behind him during a bar fight — found it very attractive.

I was at an I don't ever go out but we went out the other night and um there was like a big fight that happened at this bar and like the ex automatically like pushed me behind him and it was so hot

03:17:00
ControversyBrian reads Reddit post about woman considering breaking off engagement after fiancé ran away from mugger while her brother stayed and fought. Update: she called off the wedding.

am I the [bleep] for considering breaking up with my fiance because he ran away when we were being attacked... 2 Days Later calls off the wedding

04:30:00
ControversyBrian reveals Alissa came to Santa Barbara with her ex-boyfriend, contradicting her earlier claim to be single. Calls it 'red pill number one'.

so to the viewers you got two massive red pills one she said she was single she's been having sex with her ex-boyfriend for 3 weeks two they've flown out together

04:58:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson predicts Alissa will NOT marry her ex-boyfriend; calls the ex's behavior 'revenge' — he is having fun and will not commit.

100% you're not getting married to this guy you don't think so guarantee it... you screwed him over and he's getting massive revenge and he's literally having a ball doing it

05:00:40
ControversyAlissa admits she was in love with her ex-boyfriend during the entire duration of her marriage, including while saying vows.

I was always in love with him... there's been times where he's like one time he drunk texted me and he was like I've thought an unhealthy amount about raising your kids

06:19:10
QuoteBrian shares that his assault case with on-camera confession was declined by the DA. He won the civil case but argues a female victim would have been prosecuted.

the individuals were actually located... they confessed to assaulting me confessed on body camera... the district attorney did not pursue the charges... had I been a woman they would have prosecuted those guys

Topics Discussed

00:03:13
Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian mentions two separate pending legal threats. Panel covers relationship statuses, longest relationships, divorce details. Alissa recaps her divorce, custody dispute, and absent ex-husband. Bella discusses current boyfriend met on Tinder. Jamie reveals instant pregnancy story. Yeka discusses 5 years single and 3 years celibate. Toria single 1.5 years. Hedy just married in May 2024. Morgan is 18yo SBCC student. Andrew married 10+ years.

00:23:33
Body Count: Does It Matter?

Alissa shares Instagram poll results: ~95% of respondents said body count is not a dealbreaker if otherwise compatible. Andrew Wilson argues body count should matter for multiple reasons (STDs, dopamine downregulation, attachment issues). Brian adds that women are more likely to sleep with high-status men who have slept with many women (asymmetry in how body count reflects on status). Discussion of whether men are hypocrites for caring about women's body counts while ignoring their own. Alissa notes physiological effects apply equally to both sexes. Andrew argues from secular and religious perspectives separately.

00:23:33
Submission, Patriarchal Marriage, and the Bow

Andrew reveals he sometimes makes unilateral household decisions without consulting wife. Debate on whether a woman should 'bow' when her man comes home (Brian plays a video). Panel split: Alissa and others find bowing degrading; Toria would rather split a mortgage than bow; Yeka would bow after exclusivity; Hedy depends on the person. Andrew argues bowing is simply a submission gesture and nothing sinful. Bella Cakes would bow for current boyfriend, not a near-stranger. Andrew's position: patriarchal marriage with man as head; wife should submit unless commanded to sin. Debate on whether Christian wives must obey imperfect husbands (Paul's letters, Ephesians 5:22-24). Jamie says bowing is degrading but not a dealbreaker.

00:31:00
Provider Expectations and Who Pays on Dates

Discussion of what 'being provided for' means for a stay-at-home wife. Andrew probes for specifics: food, shelter, nails, hair, car? Jamie says needs plus some spending money. Bella Cakes says needs and wants. Andrew points out the vagueness and asks who decides at the threshold. Brian confirms all women want man to pay on first date as default expectation. Jamie says splitting is okay if there is chemistry; prefers man to pay but not dealbreaker. Yeka: non-negotiable that man pays first date.

01:24:00
Dating App Profile Reviews

Brian reviews Alissa's dating app profile (read by Alissa): values intellect, nerds/homesteaders, INTP, acts of service, no hookup culture, Instagram: Clementine. Reviews Bella's profile: likes TV shows, INTP personality, Cosmos by Carl Sagan. Reviews Yeka's profile: instant hit, lives biblically, loves conspiracies. Discussion of authenticity and selectiveness of profiles. Chat votes swipe yes/no on each profile.

01:31:00
Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 (prompted by Stiffler in chat). Alissa: 8 (after Brian pushed back on her low initial response). Toria: 8+ (declined to use scale; says men would rate her 8+). Hedy: declined initially; agreed she'd be rated 8+ by 100 men. Morgan: 7 (under peer pressure). Andrew: 10 (joking confident answer). Brian: 5.

01:33:03
Aging & 10-Year Lookback

Brian asks each guest: will you be better-looking in 10 years? Were you better at 25? Alissa (28): better now than at 18; unlikely to keep improving. Bella (21): doesn't know if she'll be 'here' in 10 years (dark hypothetical). Toria (31): believes she ages like fine wine; better at 31 than 21; sees aging well. Hedy (30): better now at 30 than at 20 (cheek fat gone). Would not be better at 40. Yeka (35): better now at 35 than at 25. Instagram throwbacks shown for some guests.

02:05:57
Christian Forgiveness vs. Mate Selection

Yeka argues that if a person has a dark past but is now living a new life in Christ, their past should not matter as God's forgiveness erases it. Andrew counters: forgiveness by God does not obligate Christians to date/marry someone with high body count. Uses example: pedophiles can be forgiven but you still don't let them watch your kids. Both agree it is not hypocritical for a man to reject a woman based on body count even if he has the same count, because dating preferences are not required to be symmetric. Debate on whether it is hypocritical to sleep with someone while rejecting someone who slept with people of same sex.

02:43:00
Bella's 4chan Discord Hookup Story

Bella Cakes explains she started her online presence by posting a selfie on 4chan where it got attention. Built a Discord server with orbiters. One orbiter she connected with drove to Michigan and paid for everything; they met in a hotel and hooked up.

02:44:20
Women Having It Easier in Dating

Bella says women have it easier because men want sex so badly and do the approaching. Toria disagrees: hotter women get approached less because men fear rejection. Bella clarifies she means unattractive women have it hard, not attractive women. Andrew agrees women have it easier overall. Discussion of women's leverage vs. actual relationship quality. Brian says even unattractive women get male attention. Debate on whether patriarchy created women's 'easier' dating experience.

03:13:00
Fiance Running from Mugger: Would You Leave?

Brian reads Reddit post: woman's fiance ran away when they were mugged; brother stayed and beat attacker. Woman considering breaking off engagement. Two days later she called off the wedding. Panel: Alissa would get the ick and lose attraction to a man who ran. Toria: would leave — a man who can't defend you can't defend your family. Yeka: would chalk it up as a weak moment but not necessarily leave. Hedy: would reconsider given lifelong commitment of marriage. Alissa notes her ex instinctively pushed her behind him during a bar fight — found it hot.

04:29:00
Alissa's Marriage Revelation: In Love With Ex During Marriage

Brian and Andrew reveal Alissa came to Santa Barbara with her ex-boyfriend (not disclosed initially). Alissa admits she reconnected with ex after going to retrieve her handgun he had stored. Ex paid thousands toward her divorce retrial lawyer. Ex left 3-year girlfriend for her. Brian identifies 3 'red pills': (1) Alissa claimed single but has been sleeping with ex for 3 weeks; (2) she was in love with/fantasizing about ex during her marriage; (3) the ex she originally left when she chose to move to Austin (her own fault). Andrew predicts she will not end up marrying him; calls it 'revenge.' Alissa insists it's the real thing; ex's family and friends are unsurprised by reunion.

05:21:00
Misogynist or Not: Brian vs Andrew

Brian asks panel to rate who is more misogynist: him or Andrew. Most say Brian. Alissa says probably more Brian but Andrew's autocratic husband views initially seemed more concerning. Jamie says Brian. Yeka says neither. Toria says depends on definition. Hedy says she disagrees with both at times. Brian jokes he calls men names on the show too (called male feminists degenerate). Andrew says he would say mean things to men and women equally.

06:11:50
Are Women Oppressed?

Bella argues women are oppressed because their value is based on appearance. Brian and Andrew push back: ugly women still get male attention, ugly men do not. Panel discusses whether the same sex or opposite sex treats ugly people worse. Brian shares his own assault case: DA declined to prosecute despite on-camera confession; argues a female victim would have received prosecution. Andrew: police give women more passes (speeding tickets, pat-downs, DUIs). Jamie says yes women are oppressed, especially in workplace wage gaps. Toria links cultural issue to lack of strong male leadership. Debate on whether 'patriarchy' created women having it easier in dating.

06:33:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up

Final TTS roast session. Chat roasts all guests. Brian fails to win a game of solitaire despite being 3 aces in. Twitch raid to W_Grandma. Brian considers dropping to one show per week in 2025 due to recruitment difficulty and burnout. Final goodbyes.

Transcript

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TTS Readerthrough Slayer Brian what do you prefer a woman with 200 plus body count with big labia
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Andrew Wilsonor a woman with 30 plus body count with barrel and plastic chest I that's hard well I think on that one like if it's 30 to20 who cares like that's like who I
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Andrew Wilsonmean who cares at that point he might DBL and plastic just it's like if someone's like if a woman has 200 bodies under versus a thousand like just who cares at that
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Brian Atlasup into the multitudes of hundreds it's like geez it's just diminishing returns kind of it's like a th000 versus 2,000
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Brian Atlasit back up I got to bump it back up uh it's now bumped uh so that should be back set cool guys appreciate all your support during the
03:54:51
Brian Atlaspizza roast session let's see where we're at here okay getting back into it we were talking about the bow she was wondering your motivations
03:55:02
Brian Atlasoh wait I need to hold on let me read these really quick uh realistic heart the term bow in the context of a woman's role in a relation to a man can refer to a gesture of respect courtesy or greeting yo realistic heart thank you so
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Brian Atlasmuch for the Super Chat really appreciate it thank you thank you and uh let's see and then I'll just these are just uh below the threshold guys it had to have been through streamlabs but we
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Brian Atlaswill have them pulled up so thank you guys all right uh the bow video I don't know if we got did you give your take on the bow video I don't
03:55:37
Hedyknow if we got to you would you bow for your man um he would never ask me to do that my husband if he did um I think I'd ask why plus my my husband is French
03:55:48
Andrew Wilsonanything akin to he's French Dan Snider cheer sorry wait what that because of Communism no I just making a joke about
03:56:00
Hedyhow the French overthrew their monarchy and bowing is related to that so you would not bow for your husband I just I I just don't think he would ask me that
03:56:11
Andrew Wilsonso threw over their monarchy for an emperor they an emperor literally it was just a joke yeah
03:56:21
Brian Atlasso I get that your husband you don't think he would ask this but let's assume that he did um so far both of us have been
03:56:32
Hedyworking um how is that relevant because it I'm hearkening back to the conversation we had earlier about um both the man and the woman working and
03:56:42
Hedyhow that would distribute you know um I guess subordinance from the woman's part it would be I think um more on par with the man if they're both working and that's how my relationship has been thus
03:56:53
Hedyfar um but no I don't well you're Christian though right yeah we're Catholic but so are you not submissive to your husband I am but so how does what if you're submissive to your
03:57:05
Hedyhusband I bowing has a I think the connotation behind bowing can be seen as um degrading I just I think based you're you're married right yes did your
03:57:16
Brian Atlashusband get on one knee to propose to you he did yes so he kneeled yes before you yes how much did he spend on the wedding ring I don't know I did not ask him sounds pretty de why you why don't
03:57:27
Brian Atlasyou hold up your hand and show us your wedding ring and I'm not I don't know anything about wedding rings is it it's a
03:57:37
Brian Atlassapphire would you have been upset if he bought you a cubic sironia no no $10 wedding okay uh in any case he kneed he kneeled right
03:57:48
Brian Atlasjust curious um what's a bigger ask a kneel or a bow you knel once to propose no no no just answer the question though a bow is
03:57:58
Brian Atlasworse so which is easier physically to do a kneel or a bow a
03:58:08
Bella Cakesbow um kneeling like I don't know okay so like in like I guess there's different kinds of kneeling like I I have fully on the ground or like if you have a bad
03:58:21
TTS Readerback kneeling is going to be way worse because you're using your glutes and you're using squatting to support you not your back Lucas donated
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TTS Reader$200 and to round it all up I'm Greek Orthodox as well both of us by birth so our household is highly patriarchal with
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TTS Readeractual cross-generational deference to my father and grandfather when alive H awesome interesting Lucas interesting by
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Brian Atlasthe way grid one or sorry not grid one it was LOL paladins I know you sent one in and I I think it was I agree that it it just got
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Brian Atlaspushed down it's I agree chair 4 that's why you should DM after the show I've only had sex with around 500 women but I'm reformed him now and looking to find a good Christian woman to settle down
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Brian Atlaswith that's to you okay okay word okay uh so wait going back to
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Brian AtlasLucas by the way thank you for the uh TTS wait so your husband kneeled mhm he kneeled that's degrading I think that's
03:59:37
Andrew Wilsontradition and I think that that's not um he bowing I don't think that that's a commonplace um wait but tradition when you're talking
03:59:49
Hedyabout Traditions what do you means Common Place meaning that we're not we're not brought up and accustomed to I think my husband in other ways and I show him gratitude in other ways but I
04:00:00
Andrew Wilsondon't think that what you mentioned like tradition brought up for tradition at all like you're the all of society is essentially railing against traditionalism at all times but but
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Hedybecause I a more traditional lifestyle with my husband and we do adhere to you know Traditional Values um and when a man proposes he does usually get down on one knee so that was something but had
04:00:24
Brian Atlashe not done that I would not have been upset that was something he chose to do I don't get this this talk about tradition because women have totally
04:00:35
Brian Atlasforsaken yeah that's gone the their traditional expectations so it's like women even liberal secular atheist women like still have their boot on men's neck
04:00:47
Brian Atlaswhen it comes to traditional expectations when it comes to what men need to do provide protect what else do you men need to do what what else yeah
04:00:59
Brian Atlasjust provide and protect just just so are you downplaying what that entails well it's not like what are you
04:01:09
Jamiereally protecting us from on a day-to-day basis from yourself and from external threats like what like the chat no I'm just kidding but seriously like
04:01:20
Andrew Wilsonwhat no mostly dying from the elements elements elements elements mhm such as McDonald's or such as like like probably like air conditioning and you probably like
04:01:32
Andrew Wilsoneating you probably like those well my yeah my dad my dad worked in h years you probably like electricity I mean you probably don't like you probably don't like to die from a thing called Earth death which is
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Andrew Wilsonwhere you have to cook over Earth and so your dress catches fire and you burn alive that was an actual way women used to die a lot of them by he death luckily though you don't have to deal with
04:01:56
Andrew Wilsoncooking your food over an open fire and that's because of modern infrastructure which also enables you to work in almost any type of environment uh conducive to your needs temperature controlled for
04:02:09
Andrew Wilsonyour needs and it's like yes that all comes from well wouldn't you know it how many men worked with your father in HVAC all of them right how many women
04:02:21
Andrew WilsonI'm not downplaying hang on I just want to know how many women worked with your father in HVAC how many men right now how many women women oh um I don't think any yeah yeah wait so
04:02:34
Brian Atlasokay going back to the whole traditional thing here so it's just interesting like cuz we're talking about this bow thing and I bring up kneeling and you're saying well heing is this traditional thing but I'm like
04:02:46
Brian Atlaswell women have totally given up their traditional obligations so it's like you want men to kneel you want men to propose you want men to pay for first AIDS you still want men to be leaders and masculine and take initiative when
04:02:58
Brian Atlasit comes to courtship and all this sort of stuff chivalry Etc providing protecting but it's like women are no longer chased women aren't virgins
04:03:10
Brian Atlasanymore you're not feminine you're not submissive so it's like that's my conf maybe some of you are I'm not speaking about the
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Hedytable uh here but it's like if we want to talk about tradition where's all the virgin women me for myself with my husband when we
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Hedywere speaking earlier I I am pretty traditional and I do even when though we've been we don't have children quite yet cuz we did just get married in May but um even when we've both been working I still take on the household duties of
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Hedycooking and cleaning and I still want to show him that that's something that I would like to pursue even more especially when we do have children I would like to hopefully be stay at home I don't know if it's possible in this economy but sure that is something I but
04:03:57
Andrew Wilsonwell that's all that's all due to Catholicism though right you're leaning towards Catholicism so that makes sense but you would have to agree with Brian that as far as U traditionalism
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Hedyespecially when it comes to a Christian household that's gone essentially that's not for oted anywhere unless it's yeah no I think it's definitely lacking big time that's why I try to uphold it in my
04:04:19
Brian Atlasmy house M were you um were you a virgin when you met your now husband yeah okay all
04:04:33
Brian Atlasright we met when I was in my earlier 20s so good well that certainly an outliar most
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Brian Atlaswomen are not uh remaining virgins uh so uh it's just interesting to me that there's this sort of uh traditional expectation on men not so much on women
04:04:55
Andrew Wilsonum like I can't I would like to ask this question I ask it almost every panel now and I'd like to ask it for this one so secular meaning non-religious no
04:05:06
Andrew Wilsonreligion can anybody here actually give me a compelling reason if you were a man for why you would risk getting married in modernity if you were not
04:05:17
Andrew Wilsonreligious I gave you a few already give yeah just one be good higher life expectancy longer life expectancy yeah how much more life do you think the average man gets from
04:05:29
Alissabeing married you want me to like remember the details of Articles you think it's a lot I think it's several years I I believe it was several years and was
04:05:41
Andrew Wilsonthat compounded with how religious they were couldn't say well the answer is yes so if it's non-religious reason right I'm looking for a non-religious reason saying yes but maybe like send the the
04:05:54
Andrew Wilsonlinks to the studies CU I don't know that that's even the case but you don't even know how much longer the life expectancy is yes it's something we should look at but I know that it's a
04:06:03
Andrew Wilsonfact it's a fact for some men just like they make more overall they do better with um Health in the hospital we went over the reasons why they they make more
04:06:14
Andrew Wilsonoverall which is that they mitigate risk and they that's why they live longer too it's because of risk mitigation and so they work they work longer out no it's a
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Andrew Wilsontrade-off not a benefit tradeoff that benefits them trade okay well let me ask you a question do you think that a man would rather work 15 hours more a week or sit on his ass and play video games I can't argue this because I don't know
04:06:37
Andrew Wilsonthat I'm asking you the work time what do you mean if it let's just ass we're just going to assume it hypothetically let's say 10 hours do you think that he would prefer to work 10 additional hours of overtime a week or not have to do
04:06:49
Andrew Wilsonthat so that he can take those 10 hours for some type of recreation like video games shooting guns hunting fishing hanging out with the boys and drinking or any number of those things if it took years off of his life I I don't know
04:07:00
Andrew Wilsonwhat years being years you're talking about a life expectant you're talking about 1.3 or 1.2 it's negligible negligible for most men now
04:07:13
Andrew Wilsonif they're heavily religious that increases that's true but we're talking about secularists here so the thing is it's like here's my question even if I were to Grant it let's just say it was like four years or five years even right
04:07:25
Andrew Wilsonand you were ask a man okay hey look you go bust your ass for an additional um you know 10 or 15 hours per week okay or
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Andrew Wilsonyou can spend the time doing Recreation right and the type of recreation you do is going to be slightly more dangerous okay that's what shaves off the life expectancy that's what's so bothersome
04:07:47
Andrew Wilsonto me about your argument is because you go you you act like they're just like oh they just live longer no that's not how averages on life expectancy work if you are moving towards high-risk Behavior
04:07:59
Andrew Wilsonyour life expectancy decreases so it's just like the fact that they can go out and do recreational things that are slightly dangerous is going to increase the chances that they die okay there's a lot of variables to this like you can be
04:08:11
Alissadating somebody and not be married and your partner still not wants you to go out and do things you might be limited to what you're allowed to do within the parameters of a relationship where you're not married not on average here's what's going to happen on average here's what is happening on
04:08:24
Andrew Wilsonaverage I'm literally explaining it to you and it logically makes sense as well you and I would agree that when you're talking about life expectancy right you're averaging this right so you're
04:08:35
Andrew Wilsontaking all of the averages of these men well so here's what we find inside of these studies okay especially this one you're talking about with increase um
04:08:44
Andrew Wilsonlongevity health benefits things like this okay if a man is working in in his job for an additional five or 10 hours or whatever not every job's going to be blue collar right they're they're just
04:08:56
Andrew Wilsonnot however a lot of White Collar people still do high-risk activities just like blueco collar people do for recreation because they're men men do higher risk activities so if you take the time in
04:09:08
Andrew Wilsonthe workplace away and now they have more time for high-risk activities more more of them will die doing Recreation therefore the average life expectancy
04:09:18
Andrew Wilsondecreases that is you say that this is a trade-off no not really all it is is oh now I can have fun and that slightly increases my chance of dying early oh no and and being healthier but like earlier
04:09:30
Andrew WilsonBrian mentioned that well no it's not healthier well yeah you know yeah they they are healthier on average as well so it's not just that they don't die as often as a day can we just reject this [ __ ] study hang on healthier first
04:09:42
Andrew Wilsonof all no it's not that they're healthier it's that they have more doctor checkups that's it that's the only distinction so so okay but earlier like she had asked what do men protect
04:09:54
Alissaus from and Brian mentioned yourself you don't think and I agree I can tell you men have been like uh drive better like you know for one and that's that's valid you don't think that more like they build all the roads okay but you don't
04:10:06
Alissathink it's oh my gosh you don't think it's a benefit that you have someone in your life to like help you take less risky behaviors or like you don't think
04:10:17
Andrew Wilsonthat it's overall a benefit no not if I look at the high risk of divorce so I so what I'm looking at what I'm looking at is the mitigation right I'm just looking at the risk for mitigation from a Secor standpoint so I go okay so here's what I
04:10:29
Andrew Wilsonlook at you just ask what are any benefits no I asked I what I'm asking you specifically is this to a compelling reason as a secularist to get married you say okay it's because it's because
04:10:42
Andrew Wilsonyour life expectancy could increase my argument to this is yeah not really what's happening instead is that your Recreation time is actually decreasing and because the forms of recreation men do are dangerous um you you could end up
04:10:55
Andrew Wilsondying and so it brings the entire average down that's what's going on there and then two what about the risk of divorce which I think far outweighs all of these so well that part is fair
04:11:07
Andrew Wilsonso my so my question again is my initial question was a compelling reason I'm looking for a compelling reason is to get married that like outweighs the risk of divorce outweighs the risk of everything else yeah that would be
04:11:24
Andrew Wilsoncompelling honestly I don't think I would even do it so but but there are benefits to marriage and I don't want to discredit that I'm not nobody would argue that there's benefits to marriage I'm not arguing well that's why I answered the way I did though because
04:11:36
Andrew Wilsoninitially you just said give one reason to get married NOP I didn't I said give me a comp good compelling reason okay yeah compelling so if if if when I think compelling I think I should do this based on this reason well you can say
04:11:50
Andrew Wilsonthere's like tax and financial benefits but you could do that technically without marriage too yeah so so I mean I don't I don't I don't understand from the SE I've thought about this a million times because I'd love to tell
04:12:00
Jamiesecularists that they should get married right you should uh but I can't give them a good reason why they should for love and to commit to somebody until you die sure why do you need marriage for
04:12:12
Jamiethat there well there's a lot of um like there's you can whole life insurance thing you can get life insurance without being married yeah I'm power of attorney
04:12:23
Jamietoo yeah um well it's a commitment it's a commitment on you commit to people traditional uh you can commit to each other on paper never get married also you can get married and then uncommit easily yeah you can break
04:12:36
Andrew Wilsonit easier and you can't a cell phone contract you can literally get out of your marriage easier than a cell phone contract unless they keep following for ret trials so the thing is is like I'm trying to figure out what is a good compelling reason for a person's
04:12:49
Andrew Wilsonnon-religious to get married and I always come up with the same kind of answers right like what about commitment well you can still commit what about children you still have children like what what's the benefit to them love
04:13:01
Jamieit's not I guess compelling to everybody but I would say can't you can't you have love without marriage yeah of
04:13:08
Brian Atlascourse yeah okay um so not love then what do you mean I mean you just conceded that you can have love without
04:13:19
Jamiemarriage can have love without marriage yeah can have love with marriage right so but you said should get married because love but yeah for love because you love each other and you guys want to put that on paper I guess as the man
04:13:33
Brian Atlassays I don't want to get married but I still love you yeah yeah but that's not a compelling reason for me for a man to get married what would you say it's a compelling
04:13:45
Brian Atlasreason I don't think there is I'm against marriage no you're not against religious marriage I'm not yeah I should be more precise I don't have objections to
04:13:55
Brian Atlasreligious marriage um I'm not getting married though not even religiously he's not religious I'm not I'm not religious okay maybe
04:14:05
Brian AtlasAndrew's working on me he'll get he'll get me there uh yeah I don't see the point of the marriage not going to do it it's a bad deal for
04:14:17
Andrew Wilsonmen yeah secularly I don't there's no purpose yeah I can't think of a single good reason and I argue it's pretty funny I argue with Catholics about it all the time right because they're like well natural law but I think the biggest
04:14:29
Bella Cakesreason is just to say that you have a husband or a wife honestly like or the wedding but I don't even want the wedding well no the benefits are very compelling for secular women they're
04:14:39
Andrew Wilsonjust not very compelling for secular men there's several reasons I I I could think of as you're very compelling for secular women to get married I just can't think of any for secular men to
04:14:49
Jamieget married seems like a really bad deal not even money for the man yeah for the man has more money no then maybe do it
04:15:00
Andrew Wilsonnope what's really interesting is that even even when you have a a Gap a you know like that seems to flip so that's uh that's what's interesting right it seems to flip so
04:15:12
Andrew Wilsonthe question becomes what is the actual reason for a secist to get married that is compelling she argued some kind of basic stats which are they're interesting stats don't get me wrong I thought they were pretty good too I had
04:15:24
Andrew Wilsontangled up with several people and I've even utilized those stats right um but I parse them out differently the the biggest the biggest issue is that again
04:15:36
Andrew Wilsoneven with her stats it comes down to the religion being kind of the bigger bigger correlate for these things for the life expect see everything else so I just wonder Bob Evans thank you for the gifted 50 I just wonder what
04:15:48
Brian Atlasthe compelling reason is and I don't think we have one Bri I don't think so I'm a little conf confused here though you said money can you explain that a little bit well anyone can marry for money and then
04:15:59
Andrew Wilsonno what do you mean you mean as a reason to get married yeah it's a compelling reason for some she's saying that it would be a compelling reason for a Secor man to get married if the woman was
04:16:09
Brian Atlasloaded that's if yes but but the reality is is that most women even secular women are not prepared to take on a man
04:16:20
Andrew Wilsonlike that yeah but you know what I would make the concession here that if I were a secularist and like the woman was beautiful and a multi-millionaire right then yeah I
04:16:33
Brian Atlasthink I would marry her like that seems like it would be pretty compelling unless she wanted a preup but the the issue is I mean there's there's a couple issues here and I mean I think one the first one even even among secular
04:16:45
Brian Atlascouples typically the man is the bread winner so while I'll I will grant that there are men who will marry women who earn more than them and in the event of
04:16:56
Brian Atlasa divorce they would stand to benefit financially in some way this is exceedingly rare uh women who I mean kind of bringing it to
04:17:07
Brian Atlasdating a little bit women who are high earners typically don't want to date men who are not at their level women are very good
04:17:20
Brian Atlasat doing this what about for children hold on women are very good at their stated preference
04:17:29
Brian Atlasof I only want a man who's On My Level or higher so for example a female attorney not going to date the fast food
04:17:38
Brian Atlasworker male attorney he'll date an attractive Pleasant feminine submissive fast food
04:17:46
Brian Atlasworker uh but so what and what was your question there oh I what about the I was saying for having a child yeah but just
04:17:56
Jamielike what does that wait just explain it what do you were saying something about um oh why would a woman want to uh get
04:18:08
Jamieto together with a guy who was poor uh if she was loaded Maybe because she's like at the end of her childbearing years and she really wants a kid and she's in love with this guy there's plenty of cases like that well not plenty but maybe some I mean I would
04:18:21
Andrew Wilsonjust be willing to kind of Grant it as an outlier that if I were a secular man and for some reason some chick who was really loaded and a multi-millionaire
04:18:32
Andrew Wilsonwanted to get married with no prenup yeah I might do it then right maybe that would be a compelling enough reason right but even if I grant that
04:18:44
Andrew Wilsonthat is not going to be the case for basically any secular man who exists so the advice of them probably not getting married seems still like it's pretty sound advice but still I'd be willing to Grant
04:18:56
Alissait my future my potential future brother-in-law did just marry like a super hot Rich chick and he's like not loaded what's he do for happens I don't know I think he studied like some kind
04:19:08
Alissaof liberal art stuff like I don't actually I don't think I don't know I I don't think he does anything right could be wrong that's cool it happens it happens it happens but it ain't going to
04:19:18
Brian Atlashappen to many people it's not common no just like how you're a a liberal woman and even you want a man to be a provider and protector and to pay for on the
04:19:29
Brian Atlasfirst date you I'm independent huh I'm an independent are you Progressive um yes a little you're Pro I mean your pro-choice I'm assuming you
04:19:39
Jamiehave other leftist or liberal I mean are you voting Harris who knows that's a yes yeah
04:19:49
Brian Atlasthat's totally it's a yes um for sure but I mean to I guess expand on my point here even liberal women want men to be providers and pay for first dates so
04:20:01
Brian Atlasit's like as a guy I can't go into a first date with the expectation that she's going to pay for the entire bill but I'm pretty sure every single
04:20:13
Brian Atlasone of you at this table has gone on a date with a guy and you weren't it wasn't even a concern in your mind you knew he was going to pay for the first date let me just show of hands I don't
04:20:25
Brian Atlasthink that's fair show of hands I always offer have you been on that's cool have you been on a singular first date you always offer hold on what have you yeah
04:20:35
Brian Atlasshow of hands have you been on One Singular first date where the guy paid the entire bill yeah I can't remember that's a you can't remember I
04:20:47
Hedycan't remember yeah cuz you've never been on the first date where the guy you went to a food place and I have yeah I have okay it's been so long it's been so long all right for me I grew up in Los
04:20:58
HedyAngeles so I feel like the expectation especially like in the community that I was growing up in I didn't I would always bring my wallet just in case he didn't I wasn't going to expect it right but did they still pay sometimes they
04:21:10
Brian Atlasdidn't right but have you had The Experience like more often than not they would pay for the first date I would say about half half 50% of the
04:21:20
Brian Atlastime if my expectation as a man was 50% of the time she had to pay for the date she can bow 50% of the time i' be going I would be leaving those dates
04:21:32
Brian Atlaswith a lot of pissed off women they'd laugh in my [ __ ] face if I was like you're not getting this women would laugh in my [ __ ] face if I was like oh you're not getting you're not paying for the whole
04:21:44
Hedydate I actually went on a date once where we were going to eat and then go to a movie and I paid for my own food when we went to eat and then afterwards when we went to the ticket booth to purchase the tickets he walked away so I
04:21:56
Alissahad to pay and I felt very awkward so I just did ironically I do often pay but this is like modern dudes but I often do pay for both but that's not who I want though so like it doesn't discredit his overall point all right we have
04:22:09
Brian Atlasrealistic hard here it is unfortunate to be listening to so much evidence of programmed contrarians try to occasionally let go of your feelings and embrace the logic W Andrew y thank you realisticart I appreciate your super
04:22:20
Toria Brookechat I have to run cuz I thought it was like ending at 9: and I have work well because it was going to be 4: to 9: I thought we were starting at four sharp so I actually have to run but um you're
04:22:33
Toria Brookenot going to stay for the rest of the show well it's been 5 hours now right what's that it's been 5 hours right what
04:22:43
Brian Atlasuh what do you mean I thought we were starting at 4 Sharp so I me time is 4 and then we
04:22:54
Brian Atlasuh when are we going until oh my God uh I mean we tried to wrap around 11:30 or
04:23:05
TTS Reader12 Lucas donated $200 marrying this generation of women is a game of Russian Roulette for a man 80% divorce is initiated by women
04:23:16
TTS Readersomething like 90% of alimony paid from men to women same per for child support and weekend dad uh Lucas thank you very much for the uh TTS appreciate it I mean I just
04:23:27
Brian Atlaslooked at our the notes we sent you I said we aim to wrap it uh and for you this has changed since because this was sent back in March of 2024 we've since
04:23:38
Brian Atlaschanged this I did say we aim to wrap at 10 p.m. uh so I don't know where you got the nine number uh in more recent messages I tend
04:23:48
Brian Atlasto say but may go longer but um okay yeah so do you want to stay I mean I'm
04:23:58
Toria Brookenot going to force you you don't have to I I read I thought that it was only through nine but I guess I'm also on the East Coast so I didn't realize okay um I
04:24:10
Toria Brookemean I didn't even get to your notes but um uh it's all right I'm sure you guys will be fine without one less linebacker with a blond wig be be fine do you do you
04:24:23
Toria Brookewant to at least I can get through your notes I'm good it's all right thank you so much you're amazing thank
04:24:32
Brian Atlasyou okay all right so I'll get through the rest of the notes then uh let's see here uh tortured
04:24:43
Brian Atlastortured yeah tortured um all right we have uh rest of the notes with Bella here um you hooked up with a guy after you hooked up with a guy from Tinder you
04:24:57
Bella Cakesaccidentally grabbed his phone thinking was yours and his wallpaper was him with another girl also think he might have lied about his age yeah so this guy that I hooked up with Tinder I think his age
04:25:07
Bella Cakessaid like 19 but when I got in his car um I I mean I didn't think it was suspicious until after we had hooked up and I saw his like wallpaper and I started like making the connections and
04:25:19
Bella Cakesstuff because I was like I was like asking where he went to school and he was like kind of dodgy about my questions and stuff um and when I picked up his phone it was I I couldn't tell if
04:25:31
Bella Cakesit was him with another girl or if it was just another girl but it was pretty clear that like he had his girlfriend as the wallpaper and I just like pretended not to notice um
04:25:43
Brian Atlasyeah it was awkward okay uh okay going to let's see here we'll just skip these Ashley's not here uh your notes
04:25:54
Brian Atlasyou said one time when I was 19 I went on a date with a guy I was trying to purchase a tattoo from immediately found out he has three baby mamas decide to let him walk me home instead of bicycling cuz didn't have a car then I lived in a studio with a few other
04:26:07
Brian Atlashousemates was not worried at all about him knowing where I lived on the walk home he starts to really dramatically flirt with me verbally something that stuck with me was that he said I want to have a baby with you it will be so pretty with blue eyes and I'll give it
04:26:19
Brian Atlasthe most attention he also asked me to be his pretend girlfriend for family events which I denied I just wanted a
04:26:27
Jamietattoo that was wild and I I it it was a really nice tattoo um I paid $25 in liquor to get it eventually but it took so long to get that tattoo um every
04:26:40
Jamiesingle time I would show up to get the tattoo he would um like put me in front of his family and he'd be like just pretend for a second like cuz we weren't doing anything we weren't kissing we weren't it was just like I felt bad for
04:26:51
Jamiehim at first and I don't know the guy was just a a little different wait you hung out with him more than once yeah cuz I wanted this tattoo so badly and I'd already put so much time on the
04:27:01
Jamiefirst so you actually did pretend to be his girlfriend no I so it got really awkward uh when he brought his kids over and he tried to uh hold my hand and immediately when he did that I was like
04:27:12
JamieI'm I'm sorry I got to go I even brought my friend over with me too just like doing this in front of your kids he was single he wasn't seeing how did you guys
04:27:20
Jamiemeet um we met through a friend and they referred him to me what do you what do you mean they referred him to you well I
04:27:32
Brian Atlaswas looking to get a tattoo from a local artist and oh but you said you went on a date with him so is it unreasonable for him to have romantic interest in you no it's not
04:27:45
Jamieunreasonable but it's just kind of unreasonable to say things like on the first date like I want to have um kids with you and I'm going to pay attention to this kid only isn't that the story of your current
04:27:56
Brian Atlasno did you say that I mean you had you literally had a kid it sound like very soon after meeting your current guy yeah but he hasn't is this your current guy
04:28:08
Brian Atlasno no he doesn't have my current guy doesn't have any other kids besides ours okay but I mean didn't if I recall correctly didn't you say that when you
04:28:19
Brian Atlasmet your current boyfriend who you have a kid with didn't you say like he said early on that you guys would have not the first day we met though so the second or third day yeah I don't know
04:28:32
TTS Readerdonated $200 later baby lawyer in law school for 4 years atter misery met submissive Greek blond SL blueee former Eagles cheerleader before they dressed them
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Brian Atlas[ __ ] her father Vietnam Green Berry badass Bliss yo Lucas thank you so much man thank you for the uh big uh TTS man
04:28:52
Brian Atlasreally appreciate it uh okay well um and so uh didn't you say though that you
04:29:03
Jamiepretended he would put you in front of the family and be like he asked me to go to a few family events and I didn't go but I the one one time I was going over there
04:29:14
Jamieto get the tattoo it didn't happen that day um he introduced me to his parents and then um another time he was giving
04:29:22
Jamiemy friend and I a ride back home I think to my place um and his sister like like sincerely asked me she was like like what's going on and I'm like I'm just
04:29:34
TTS Readertrying to get a tattoo and she's like oh okay what doc vener Billy donated $200 sorry late brickson here's a contribution to your prenup defense fund
04:29:46
Brian Atlasprup defense fund yo doc thank you so much man I really appreciate it uh means the world uh you've been a longtime supporter so uh thank you man thank you
04:29:55
Brian Atlasso much I'm a little confused because were you trying to date him or get a tattoo just get a tattoo and I made why did you go on a date with him then oh cuz I
04:30:07
Jamiewas giving him a chance at first and then I told him I'm not interested I just want to get this tattoo and I was very clear and respectful about that you know there are tattoo parlers where you
04:30:17
Jamiecan get a tattoo without the need of having to date fake date the I I didn't um fake date him he had had asked
04:30:28
Jamieme to and I coaxed me to go there every single time upon the basis of you're going to get this tattoo today and then it's kind of like oh these things came up we're going to you know but I mean clearly it was a quit proquo right like
04:30:40
Jamiehe wasn't giving you the tattoo I wanted to pay money did he accept the money no he wouldn't accept the money and but finally he accepted $25 in buzz balls and did it and it was perfect even
04:30:51
Brian Atlasthough he was yeah okay um you said he was a bit he was a bit Looney every time you'd show up to get the tattoo he said what happen he'd manipulate me into joining in his Shenanigans with friends that were
04:31:04
Brian Atlasactually quite entertaining I was very straightforward with him the whole time but he was very dulu I got the tattoo finally and it's one of my best best
04:31:12
Brian Atlasmost compliment which tattoo is it is it the is that a bird no it's a luna moth
04:31:20
Brian Atlasoh okay all right did I um you also said what are are uh yo Amos thank you for the gifted 20 memberships
04:31:31
Brian Atlasman really appreciate it you said would our money expectations generally on the first few dates wait what oh hold on Lucas donated $200
04:31:42
TTS Readerso ladies wake up decide how you want to live a life BC someone like me 25 years ago ain't touching any of you with a 10 foot
04:31:52
Brian Atlaspole any response what we we're going to take a time machine like what is it matter thanks thank you Lucas I do appreciate that thank you um so okay you
04:32:04
Brian Atlaswere asking what are money expectations generally on the first few dates between heterosexual people I think we talked about yeah but we talked about that okay uh and then also
04:32:17
Brian Atlasfirst date with someone I wanted to buy some art from but gave him a chance oh this is the same guy yeah three baby mama guy yeah okay all right uh let's see you also said give her uh tell me
04:32:29
Brian Atlasthe first date well another first date you had he was an angel he told me loved me multiple times and actually scared the [ __ ] out of me same guy or different guy no no
04:32:41
Brian Atlastotally Angel though okay yeah just very enthus or passionate in the first date yeah dating is cool but it makes me sad that lust in relationship fits after 10
04:32:52
Brian Atlasto 15 years I wish we were like crows and mated SL we're loyal for Life once we settled down
04:33:03
Brian Atlasyeah okay that's cool uh let's get into something else here hold on uh do I want to do this one uh so body count does it
04:33:16
Brian Atlasmatter does it not matter I no well for a guy I don't know if it's like let me change the question do you think it's if a man cares about body count do you think it's insecure of him oh no no no I think it's valid say
04:33:28
Bella Cakesit again we weren't on you no I think it's valid for him to care um it depends on like what his reasoning is I guess cuz he thinks it's gross um no I wouldn't say he's insecure
04:33:40
Jamieif he thinks it's gross wait what was the question is a man insecure if he's concerned about body count I would be too if it was like over 20 with a guy or well that's unrealistic
04:33:51
Jamiebut yeah no I don't think it is no no somebody
04:34:03
Brian Atlasphone H is it is that yours Andrew or no Morgan it's so over there yeah oh it's coming from the back okay no I keep M on
04:34:15
Brian Atlasairplane mode uh okay so sorry guys we had a little vibration going on uh what's your body count so I've never counted
04:34:24
Alissaofficially but I know it's 20ish 20ish okay um 11 all right say like five okay
04:34:33
Brian Atlasuh it's probably around 20 all right one one one uh okay multiply it by three and that's
04:34:43
Brian Atlasthe real number yeah all right well you know that's it is what it is it's math it's a science actually it's a science what's your body count I'm I'm a
04:34:55
Alissavirgin no hey is the girl that bowed to you is she the girl that went through your phone on the first date no but it was a different Asian woman do you only
04:35:04
Brian Atlasdate Asian women no I you just have a type uh I mean I date white women Asian women Latino women sometimes I was just like I can't picture that girl doing
04:35:16
Brian Atlasthat I mean I date a black women I just don't think they I don't think black women like me oh yeah some probably do come on Brian well you know you would know and black
04:35:30
Brian Atlasexp but uh okay let's go through this then uh I have to wait until she's back but um hold on guys one sec where are we
04:35:41
Brian Atlasleave my fictitious black XY that is a fair point oh it's not a real thing I believed it me too Andrew needs to redo his hair by the way hair's fine we need to we need to get the it's fine it's
04:35:53
Brian Atlasit's G it's fine bro okay that's say it's fine tussled is nice it's called the pomp door pomp aor it's good the pomad it's good all right uh okay question for the
04:36:03
Brian Atlaspanel you're in the forest oh Andrew loves this one you're in the forest would you rather and you get to
04:36:14
Brian Atlaspick you can and you you spawn randomly in the forest and you can spawn either a random man or a random bear and you're going to come across them which do you pick a man a man I think this question
04:36:25
Jamieis so stupid I want to see a bear but definitely a man wait what bears arey oh okay I was on a motorcycle ride the other day and I saw a bear with my
04:36:35
Jamiemy man yeah it was huge kind of sweet scary all right man man
04:36:42
Andrew Wilsonman okay easy peasy all right let's go uh oh can you not do that at the table um I have a quick one for you so do you
04:36:54
Andrew Wilsonthink a man or a woman would be more likely to tell you the truth um I don't I think probably equally so sorry if you if you had to pick one you know what honestly probably
04:37:05
Alissamen because women tend to be more agreeable so maybe they would be like in some situations more more afraid of being honest may maybe men I agree with your point and it's
04:37:17
Bella Cakesfunny you say that women are more agreeable cuz I'm agree with you yeah to men yeah women I think a woman it's who's more honest no who do
04:37:29
Andrew Wilsonyou think would be more likely to tell you the truth a man or a woman man a man why' you two pick woman I value truth I don't know you think women would be more likely to tell
04:37:41
Alissayou that what is true yeah I do I think women are afraid to hurt everyone's feelings yeah that's how like I would be honest and I'm a
04:37:53
Alissa[ __ ] but so I'll just and a little autistic so just like I'm going to be I'm tell the truth but generally speaking I feel like women might be kind of like I don't want to hurt your feelings like or at least soften the
04:38:04
Yekablow yeah with the Positive before the negative yeah I think a lot of Modern Men are kind of more sensitive and don't
04:38:14
Yekawant to be upfront and uh there is the the curse of Eve where woman wants to rule over man and so it's really easy for them to just say the truth
04:38:25
Hedyand uh be open about stuff women mhm although when I was dating I never
04:38:33
Hedyhad a man like if it wasn't if we didn't feel you know like we were had chemistry I never had a man like come out and say it I feel like I was always the one to say it oh yeah me too it's a hard
04:38:45
Andrew Wilsonquestion and then he agreed um cuz I mean you do realize that there's always the possibility that I had you thought that there wasn't chemistry and then after you told him he
04:38:57
Andrew Wilsonwent ahead and agreed oh yeah I think so too even though well then he's still not being honest even though he actually didn't think so I had a couple um well yeah I mean there's going to be
04:39:07
Alissaincentives for non- honesty sure yeah I agree we're just talk about um be up about it like where men will just like stay in a relationship instead of breaking up with somebody and just like make it miserable for the person until
04:39:20
Alissathey leave women do the same thing oh I feel like we'll just leave no they definitely won't that all rates kind of reflect my I feel yeah and they're usually getting divorced after years
04:39:31
Andrew Wilsonright yeah and and they cheat and they do all sorts of different things to and they keep the men just stay it's crazy they keep so do the women right it's not exclusive to men when will stay
04:39:44
Alissatoo but we f for divorce more yes that is correct so I feel like maybe we're more honest about like maybe in regards to how we view the relationship I just think they're more sneaky about it I
04:39:56
Andrew Wilsonthink they're just more sneaky and they they plan exit plans and [ __ ] like that before they before they hit the the divorce filing I don't think that it's because they're being particularly
04:40:06
Alissahonest well speaking for myself I was honest I gave multiple warnings yeah but I mean but generally speaking yeah generally I wouldn't I just think because of women's nature like you were
04:40:17
Alissasaying just the agreeable like don't want to hurt anybody probably overall and also like maybe fear of like what would happen um depending on what the
04:40:27
Hedyscenario is but yeah I also dislike confrontation so if anything feels like it's becoming
04:40:35
Hedyconfrontational or um not cathe I would try to avoid
04:40:44
Jamiebut the truth always comes out eventually in most cases T you're I found with people to just be honest upfront completely and then um you avoid like you know that
04:40:55
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] later on I mean women lie to each other so much it's unbelievable so they lie to each other about how they think each other look and about how they actually think like there's so many
04:41:07
Andrew Wilsontimes I've actually seen even right here in whatever oh girl you look so pretty this and that she gets up and walks over like oh my God she's such a [ __ ] not kidding yeah I see it a lot and it makes female
04:41:19
Andrew Wilsonfriendships hard yeah a bunch of passive aggressive Liars right it's like I'm just just throwing that out I've not seen a lot of the real direct honest
04:41:31
Andrew Wilsonlike what's in your brain is not coming out and being verbalized to the other like what you really think some other version of that is what's coming out at least that's what I've noticed yeah
04:41:43
Andrew Wilsonbut then men will be like oh yeah honey you look great Knowing damn to avoid possibly to avoid hurting your feelings they'll tell a white lie it could be the same scenario for women to one I don't think it's the same at all I think that
04:41:55
Andrew Wilsonyou can I think even the woman can tell that he wants to verbalize something different and they can even pick up context clues that that is the case but I think it's far different to literally look at another woman in the eye and be
04:42:07
Andrew Wilsonlike hey girl and then get up and second you get up they're both talking [ __ ] about the one who just got up that is so common in fact that women themselves make jokes
04:42:18
Andrew Wilsonabout it constantly so yeah I think that I think that you can point to instances of men doing White Lies for sure but women just like kind of lied right to each other's
04:42:28
Jamiefaces it's wild I mean I've seen a lot of guys like even my U guys my my friends that are gay um like they are nice to somebody in person even even heterosexual uh and then as soon as
04:42:40
Jamiethose people are gone they're talking [ __ ] like telling telling me exactly how they feel or just joking about somebody you know yeah I'm sure it happens I'm just it just doesn't happen as much as it happens with
04:42:51
Andrew Wilsonwomen like I've here let me give you an example you've probably seen a lot more men be upright confrontational with other men than you have
04:43:01
Andrew Wilsonwomen I mean overwhelmingly and that requires some kind of Truth statement right in order to initiate confrontation there's going going to have to be some truth there I'm
04:43:12
Andrew Wilsonmad because X thing well I'm mad because of other X thing so uh I don't see women doing that very often so just pointing that
04:43:24
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04:43:37
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04:44:09
Alissaall I was married I left my marriage there's there's no lack of a lineup begging for the opportunity so I don't know where you get the idea that people like avoid me like the plague stop the C
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