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03:52:10Brian Atlasa burrito or two slices of pineapple pizza eat Pizza on this one boys okay guys TTS is back up if there's three more that trickle
03:52:20TTS Readerthrough Slayer Brian what do you prefer a woman with 200 plus body count with big labia
03:52:29Andrew Wilsonor a woman with 30 plus body count with barrel and plastic chest I that's hard well I think on that one like if it's 30 to20 who cares like that's like who I
03:52:41Andrew Wilsonmean who cares at that point he might DBL and plastic just it's like if someone's like if a woman has 200 bodies under versus a thousand like just who cares at that
03:52:52Brian Atlaspoint it's I got to disagree so many it's still terrible but I got it a thousand's obviously that's bad like at 200 there's a chance she doesn't have
03:53:04Brian Atlasherpes at a th000 Andrew that [ __ ] on some herpes medication okay but if if they were both clean both clean mhm
03:53:14Andrew Wilsonyeah but this kind of both clean both clean yeah still grow still wor still worse the Thousand it's worse but it's like 200 to a th000 is like 200 to 500 it's like once you get
03:53:27Brian Atlasup into the multitudes of hundreds it's like geez it's just diminishing returns kind of it's like a th000 versus 2,000
03:53:36Brian Atlasdefinitely I would say I mean 2,000's still bad that's an extra thousand dicks yeah that's an extra miles that's like a mile of you forget the first thousand she got a mile
03:53:49Brian Atlasof extra you forget the first thousand yeah first thousand's still bad yeah it's still bad I'm not excusing it all right I'll let these last three three come in and then it's back up donated
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03:54:39Brian Atlasit back up I got to bump it back up uh it's now bumped uh so that should be back set cool guys appreciate all your support during the
03:54:51Brian Atlaspizza roast session let's see where we're at here okay getting back into it we were talking about the bow she was wondering your motivations
03:55:02Brian Atlasoh wait I need to hold on let me read these really quick uh realistic heart the term bow in the context of a woman's role in a relation to a man can refer to a gesture of respect courtesy or greeting yo realistic heart thank you so
03:55:15Brian Atlasmuch for the Super Chat really appreciate it thank you thank you and uh let's see and then I'll just these are just uh below the threshold guys it had to have been through streamlabs but we
03:55:25Brian Atlaswill have them pulled up so thank you guys all right uh the bow video I don't know if we got did you give your take on the bow video I don't
03:55:37Hedyknow if we got to you would you bow for your man um he would never ask me to do that my husband if he did um I think I'd ask why plus my my husband is French
03:55:48Andrew Wilsonanything akin to he's French Dan Snider cheer sorry wait what that because of Communism no I just making a joke about
03:56:00Hedyhow the French overthrew their monarchy and bowing is related to that so you would not bow for your husband I just I I just don't think he would ask me that
03:56:11Andrew Wilsonso threw over their monarchy for an emperor they an emperor literally it was just a joke yeah
03:56:21Brian Atlasso I get that your husband you don't think he would ask this but let's assume that he did um so far both of us have been
03:56:32Hedyworking um how is that relevant because it I'm hearkening back to the conversation we had earlier about um both the man and the woman working and
03:56:42Hedyhow that would distribute you know um I guess subordinance from the woman's part it would be I think um more on par with the man if they're both working and that's how my relationship has been thus
03:56:53Hedyfar um but no I don't well you're Christian though right yeah we're Catholic but so are you not submissive to your husband I am but so how does what if you're submissive to your
03:57:05Hedyhusband I bowing has a I think the connotation behind bowing can be seen as um degrading I just I think based you're you're married right yes did your
03:57:16Brian Atlashusband get on one knee to propose to you he did yes so he kneeled yes before you yes how much did he spend on the wedding ring I don't know I did not ask him sounds pretty de why you why don't
03:57:27Brian Atlasyou hold up your hand and show us your wedding ring and I'm not I don't know anything about wedding rings is it it's a
03:57:37Brian Atlassapphire would you have been upset if he bought you a cubic sironia no no $10 wedding okay uh in any case he kneed he kneeled right
03:57:48Brian Atlasjust curious um what's a bigger ask a kneel or a bow you knel once to propose no no no just answer the question though a bow is
03:57:58Brian Atlasworse so which is easier physically to do a kneel or a bow a
03:58:08Bella Cakesbow um kneeling like I don't know okay so like in like I guess there's different kinds of kneeling like I I have fully on the ground or like if you have a bad
03:58:21TTS Readerback kneeling is going to be way worse because you're using your glutes and you're using squatting to support you not your back Lucas donated
03:58:31TTS Reader$200 and to round it all up I'm Greek Orthodox as well both of us by birth so our household is highly patriarchal with
03:58:40TTS Readeractual cross-generational deference to my father and grandfather when alive H awesome interesting Lucas interesting by
03:58:49Brian Atlasthe way grid one or sorry not grid one it was LOL paladins I know you sent one in and I I think it was I agree that it it just got
03:59:02Brian Atlaspushed down it's I agree chair 4 that's why you should DM after the show I've only had sex with around 500 women but I'm reformed him now and looking to find a good Christian woman to settle down
03:59:12Brian Atlaswith that's to you okay okay word okay uh so wait going back to
03:59:25Brian AtlasLucas by the way thank you for the uh TTS wait so your husband kneeled mhm he kneeled that's degrading I think that's
03:59:37Andrew Wilsontradition and I think that that's not um he bowing I don't think that that's a commonplace um wait but tradition when you're talking
03:59:49Hedyabout Traditions what do you means Common Place meaning that we're not we're not brought up and accustomed to I think my husband in other ways and I show him gratitude in other ways but I
04:00:00Andrew Wilsondon't think that what you mentioned like tradition brought up for tradition at all like you're the all of society is essentially railing against traditionalism at all times but but
04:00:13Hedybecause I a more traditional lifestyle with my husband and we do adhere to you know Traditional Values um and when a man proposes he does usually get down on one knee so that was something but had
04:00:24Brian Atlashe not done that I would not have been upset that was something he chose to do I don't get this this talk about tradition because women have totally
04:00:35Brian Atlasforsaken yeah that's gone the their traditional expectations so it's like women even liberal secular atheist women like still have their boot on men's neck
04:00:47Brian Atlaswhen it comes to traditional expectations when it comes to what men need to do provide protect what else do you men need to do what what else yeah
04:00:59Brian Atlasjust provide and protect just just so are you downplaying what that entails well it's not like what are you
04:01:09Jamiereally protecting us from on a day-to-day basis from yourself and from external threats like what like the chat no I'm just kidding but seriously like
04:01:20Andrew Wilsonwhat no mostly dying from the elements elements elements elements mhm such as McDonald's or such as like like probably like air conditioning and you probably like
04:01:32Andrew Wilsoneating you probably like those well my yeah my dad my dad worked in h years you probably like electricity I mean you probably don't like you probably don't like to die from a thing called Earth death which is
04:01:45Andrew Wilsonwhere you have to cook over Earth and so your dress catches fire and you burn alive that was an actual way women used to die a lot of them by he death luckily though you don't have to deal with
04:01:56Andrew Wilsoncooking your food over an open fire and that's because of modern infrastructure which also enables you to work in almost any type of environment uh conducive to your needs temperature controlled for
04:02:09Andrew Wilsonyour needs and it's like yes that all comes from well wouldn't you know it how many men worked with your father in HVAC all of them right how many women
04:02:21Andrew WilsonI'm not downplaying hang on I just want to know how many women worked with your father in HVAC how many men right now how many women women oh um I don't think any yeah yeah wait so
04:02:34Brian Atlasokay going back to the whole traditional thing here so it's just interesting like cuz we're talking about this bow thing and I bring up kneeling and you're saying well heing is this traditional thing but I'm like
04:02:46Brian Atlaswell women have totally given up their traditional obligations so it's like you want men to kneel you want men to propose you want men to pay for first AIDS you still want men to be leaders and masculine and take initiative when
04:02:58Brian Atlasit comes to courtship and all this sort of stuff chivalry Etc providing protecting but it's like women are no longer chased women aren't virgins
04:03:10Brian Atlasanymore you're not feminine you're not submissive so it's like that's my conf maybe some of you are I'm not speaking about the
04:03:21Hedytable uh here but it's like if we want to talk about tradition where's all the virgin women me for myself with my husband when we
04:03:32Hedywere speaking earlier I I am pretty traditional and I do even when though we've been we don't have children quite yet cuz we did just get married in May but um even when we've both been working I still take on the household duties of
04:03:45Hedycooking and cleaning and I still want to show him that that's something that I would like to pursue even more especially when we do have children I would like to hopefully be stay at home I don't know if it's possible in this economy but sure that is something I but
04:03:57Andrew Wilsonwell that's all that's all due to Catholicism though right you're leaning towards Catholicism so that makes sense but you would have to agree with Brian that as far as U traditionalism
04:04:07Hedyespecially when it comes to a Christian household that's gone essentially that's not for oted anywhere unless it's yeah no I think it's definitely lacking big time that's why I try to uphold it in my
04:04:19Brian Atlasmy house M were you um were you a virgin when you met your now husband yeah okay all
04:04:33Brian Atlasright we met when I was in my earlier 20s so good well that certainly an outliar most
04:04:44Brian Atlaswomen are not uh remaining virgins uh so uh it's just interesting to me that there's this sort of uh traditional expectation on men not so much on women
04:04:55Andrew Wilsonum like I can't I would like to ask this question I ask it almost every panel now and I'd like to ask it for this one so secular meaning non-religious no
04:05:06Andrew Wilsonreligion can anybody here actually give me a compelling reason if you were a man for why you would risk getting married in modernity if you were not
04:05:17Andrew Wilsonreligious I gave you a few already give yeah just one be good higher life expectancy longer life expectancy yeah how much more life do you think the average man gets from
04:05:29Alissabeing married you want me to like remember the details of Articles you think it's a lot I think it's several years I I believe it was several years and was
04:05:41Andrew Wilsonthat compounded with how religious they were couldn't say well the answer is yes so if it's non-religious reason right I'm looking for a non-religious reason saying yes but maybe like send the the
04:05:54Andrew Wilsonlinks to the studies CU I don't know that that's even the case but you don't even know how much longer the life expectancy is yes it's something we should look at but I know that it's a
04:06:03Andrew Wilsonfact it's a fact for some men just like they make more overall they do better with um Health in the hospital we went over the reasons why they they make more
04:06:14Andrew Wilsonoverall which is that they mitigate risk and they that's why they live longer too it's because of risk mitigation and so they work they work longer out no it's a
04:06:25Andrew Wilsontrade-off not a benefit tradeoff that benefits them trade okay well let me ask you a question do you think that a man would rather work 15 hours more a week or sit on his ass and play video games I can't argue this because I don't know
04:06:37Andrew Wilsonthat I'm asking you the work time what do you mean if it let's just ass we're just going to assume it hypothetically let's say 10 hours do you think that he would prefer to work 10 additional hours of overtime a week or not have to do
04:06:49Andrew Wilsonthat so that he can take those 10 hours for some type of recreation like video games shooting guns hunting fishing hanging out with the boys and drinking or any number of those things if it took years off of his life I I don't know
04:07:00Andrew Wilsonwhat years being years you're talking about a life expectant you're talking about 1.3 or 1.2 it's negligible negligible for most men now
04:07:13Andrew Wilsonif they're heavily religious that increases that's true but we're talking about secularists here so the thing is it's like here's my question even if I were to Grant it let's just say it was like four years or five years even right
04:07:25Andrew Wilsonand you were ask a man okay hey look you go bust your ass for an additional um you know 10 or 15 hours per week okay or
04:07:35Andrew Wilsonyou can spend the time doing Recreation right and the type of recreation you do is going to be slightly more dangerous okay that's what shaves off the life expectancy that's what's so bothersome
04:07:47Andrew Wilsonto me about your argument is because you go you you act like they're just like oh they just live longer no that's not how averages on life expectancy work if you are moving towards high-risk Behavior
04:07:59Andrew Wilsonyour life expectancy decreases so it's just like the fact that they can go out and do recreational things that are slightly dangerous is going to increase the chances that they die okay there's a lot of variables to this like you can be
04:08:11Alissadating somebody and not be married and your partner still not wants you to go out and do things you might be limited to what you're allowed to do within the parameters of a relationship where you're not married not on average here's what's going to happen on average here's what is happening on
04:08:24Andrew Wilsonaverage I'm literally explaining it to you and it logically makes sense as well you and I would agree that when you're talking about life expectancy right you're averaging this right so you're
04:08:35Andrew Wilsontaking all of the averages of these men well so here's what we find inside of these studies okay especially this one you're talking about with increase um
04:08:44Andrew Wilsonlongevity health benefits things like this okay if a man is working in in his job for an additional five or 10 hours or whatever not every job's going to be blue collar right they're they're just
04:08:56Andrew Wilsonnot however a lot of White Collar people still do high-risk activities just like blueco collar people do for recreation because they're men men do higher risk activities so if you take the time in
04:09:08Andrew Wilsonthe workplace away and now they have more time for high-risk activities more more of them will die doing Recreation therefore the average life expectancy
04:09:18Andrew Wilsondecreases that is you say that this is a trade-off no not really all it is is oh now I can have fun and that slightly increases my chance of dying early oh no and and being healthier but like earlier
04:09:30Andrew WilsonBrian mentioned that well no it's not healthier well yeah you know yeah they they are healthier on average as well so it's not just that they don't die as often as a day can we just reject this [ __ ] study hang on healthier first
04:09:42Andrew Wilsonof all no it's not that they're healthier it's that they have more doctor checkups that's it that's the only distinction so so okay but earlier like she had asked what do men protect
04:09:54Alissaus from and Brian mentioned yourself you don't think and I agree I can tell you men have been like uh drive better like you know for one and that's that's valid you don't think that more like they build all the roads okay but you don't
04:10:06Alissathink it's oh my gosh you don't think it's a benefit that you have someone in your life to like help you take less risky behaviors or like you don't think
04:10:17Andrew Wilsonthat it's overall a benefit no not if I look at the high risk of divorce so I so what I'm looking at what I'm looking at is the mitigation right I'm just looking at the risk for mitigation from a Secor standpoint so I go okay so here's what I
04:10:29Andrew Wilsonlook at you just ask what are any benefits no I asked I what I'm asking you specifically is this to a compelling reason as a secularist to get married you say okay it's because it's because
04:10:42Andrew Wilsonyour life expectancy could increase my argument to this is yeah not really what's happening instead is that your Recreation time is actually decreasing and because the forms of recreation men do are dangerous um you you could end up
04:10:55Andrew Wilsondying and so it brings the entire average down that's what's going on there and then two what about the risk of divorce which I think far outweighs all of these so well that part is fair
04:11:07Andrew Wilsonso my so my question again is my initial question was a compelling reason I'm looking for a compelling reason is to get married that like outweighs the risk of divorce outweighs the risk of everything else yeah that would be
04:11:24Andrew Wilsoncompelling honestly I don't think I would even do it so but but there are benefits to marriage and I don't want to discredit that I'm not nobody would argue that there's benefits to marriage I'm not arguing well that's why I answered the way I did though because
04:11:36Andrew Wilsoninitially you just said give one reason to get married NOP I didn't I said give me a comp good compelling reason okay yeah compelling so if if if when I think compelling I think I should do this based on this reason well you can say
04:11:50Andrew Wilsonthere's like tax and financial benefits but you could do that technically without marriage too yeah so so I mean I don't I don't I don't understand from the SE I've thought about this a million times because I'd love to tell
04:12:00Jamiesecularists that they should get married right you should uh but I can't give them a good reason why they should for love and to commit to somebody until you die sure why do you need marriage for
04:12:12Jamiethat there well there's a lot of um like there's you can whole life insurance thing you can get life insurance without being married yeah I'm power of attorney
04:12:23Jamietoo yeah um well it's a commitment it's a commitment on you commit to people traditional uh you can commit to each other on paper never get married also you can get married and then uncommit easily yeah you can break
04:12:36Andrew Wilsonit easier and you can't a cell phone contract you can literally get out of your marriage easier than a cell phone contract unless they keep following for ret trials so the thing is is like I'm trying to figure out what is a good compelling reason for a person's
04:12:49Andrew Wilsonnon-religious to get married and I always come up with the same kind of answers right like what about commitment well you can still commit what about children you still have children like what what's the benefit to them love
04:13:01Jamieit's not I guess compelling to everybody but I would say can't you can't you have love without marriage yeah of
04:13:08Brian Atlascourse yeah okay um so not love then what do you mean I mean you just conceded that you can have love without
04:13:19Jamiemarriage can have love without marriage yeah can have love with marriage right so but you said should get married because love but yeah for love because you love each other and you guys want to put that on paper I guess as the man
04:13:33Brian Atlassays I don't want to get married but I still love you yeah yeah but that's not a compelling reason for me for a man to get married what would you say it's a compelling
04:13:45Brian Atlasreason I don't think there is I'm against marriage no you're not against religious marriage I'm not yeah I should be more precise I don't have objections to
04:13:55Brian Atlasreligious marriage um I'm not getting married though not even religiously he's not religious I'm not I'm not religious okay maybe
04:14:05Brian AtlasAndrew's working on me he'll get he'll get me there uh yeah I don't see the point of the marriage not going to do it it's a bad deal for
04:14:17Andrew Wilsonmen yeah secularly I don't there's no purpose yeah I can't think of a single good reason and I argue it's pretty funny I argue with Catholics about it all the time right because they're like well natural law but I think the biggest
04:14:29Bella Cakesreason is just to say that you have a husband or a wife honestly like or the wedding but I don't even want the wedding well no the benefits are very compelling for secular women they're
04:14:39Andrew Wilsonjust not very compelling for secular men there's several reasons I I I could think of as you're very compelling for secular women to get married I just can't think of any for secular men to
04:14:49Jamieget married seems like a really bad deal not even money for the man yeah for the man has more money no then maybe do it
04:15:00Andrew Wilsonnope what's really interesting is that even even when you have a a Gap a you know like that seems to flip so that's uh that's what's interesting right it seems to flip so
04:15:12Andrew Wilsonthe question becomes what is the actual reason for a secist to get married that is compelling she argued some kind of basic stats which are they're interesting stats don't get me wrong I thought they were pretty good too I had
04:15:24Andrew Wilsontangled up with several people and I've even utilized those stats right um but I parse them out differently the the biggest the biggest issue is that again
04:15:36Andrew Wilsoneven with her stats it comes down to the religion being kind of the bigger bigger correlate for these things for the life expect see everything else so I just wonder Bob Evans thank you for the gifted 50 I just wonder what
04:15:48Brian Atlasthe compelling reason is and I don't think we have one Bri I don't think so I'm a little conf confused here though you said money can you explain that a little bit well anyone can marry for money and then
04:15:59Andrew Wilsonno what do you mean you mean as a reason to get married yeah it's a compelling reason for some she's saying that it would be a compelling reason for a Secor man to get married if the woman was
04:16:09Brian Atlasloaded that's if yes but but the reality is is that most women even secular women are not prepared to take on a man
04:16:20Andrew Wilsonlike that yeah but you know what I would make the concession here that if I were a secularist and like the woman was beautiful and a multi-millionaire right then yeah I
04:16:33Brian Atlasthink I would marry her like that seems like it would be pretty compelling unless she wanted a preup but the the issue is I mean there's there's a couple issues here and I mean I think one the first one even even among secular
04:16:45Brian Atlascouples typically the man is the bread winner so while I'll I will grant that there are men who will marry women who earn more than them and in the event of
04:16:56Brian Atlasa divorce they would stand to benefit financially in some way this is exceedingly rare uh women who I mean kind of bringing it to
04:17:07Brian Atlasdating a little bit women who are high earners typically don't want to date men who are not at their level women are very good
04:17:20Brian Atlasat doing this what about for children hold on women are very good at their stated preference
04:17:29Brian Atlasof I only want a man who's On My Level or higher so for example a female attorney not going to date the fast food
04:17:38Brian Atlasworker male attorney he'll date an attractive Pleasant feminine submissive fast food
04:17:46Brian Atlasworker uh but so what and what was your question there oh I what about the I was saying for having a child yeah but just
04:17:56Jamielike what does that wait just explain it what do you were saying something about um oh why would a woman want to uh get
04:18:08Jamieto together with a guy who was poor uh if she was loaded Maybe because she's like at the end of her childbearing years and she really wants a kid and she's in love with this guy there's plenty of cases like that well not plenty but maybe some I mean I would
04:18:21Andrew Wilsonjust be willing to kind of Grant it as an outlier that if I were a secular man and for some reason some chick who was really loaded and a multi-millionaire
04:18:32Andrew Wilsonwanted to get married with no prenup yeah I might do it then right maybe that would be a compelling enough reason right but even if I grant that
04:18:44Andrew Wilsonthat is not going to be the case for basically any secular man who exists so the advice of them probably not getting married seems still like it's pretty sound advice but still I'd be willing to Grant
04:18:56Alissait my future my potential future brother-in-law did just marry like a super hot Rich chick and he's like not loaded what's he do for happens I don't know I think he studied like some kind
04:19:08Alissaof liberal art stuff like I don't actually I don't think I don't know I I don't think he does anything right could be wrong that's cool it happens it happens it happens but it ain't going to
04:19:18Brian Atlashappen to many people it's not common no just like how you're a a liberal woman and even you want a man to be a provider and protector and to pay for on the
04:19:29Brian Atlasfirst date you I'm independent huh I'm an independent are you Progressive um yes a little you're Pro I mean your pro-choice I'm assuming you
04:19:39Jamiehave other leftist or liberal I mean are you voting Harris who knows that's a yes yeah
04:19:49Brian Atlasthat's totally it's a yes um for sure but I mean to I guess expand on my point here even liberal women want men to be providers and pay for first dates so
04:20:01Brian Atlasit's like as a guy I can't go into a first date with the expectation that she's going to pay for the entire bill but I'm pretty sure every single
04:20:13Brian Atlasone of you at this table has gone on a date with a guy and you weren't it wasn't even a concern in your mind you knew he was going to pay for the first date let me just show of hands I don't
04:20:25Brian Atlasthink that's fair show of hands I always offer have you been on that's cool have you been on a singular first date you always offer hold on what have you yeah
04:20:35Brian Atlasshow of hands have you been on One Singular first date where the guy paid the entire bill yeah I can't remember that's a you can't remember I
04:20:47Hedycan't remember yeah cuz you've never been on the first date where the guy you went to a food place and I have yeah I have okay it's been so long it's been so long all right for me I grew up in Los
04:20:58HedyAngeles so I feel like the expectation especially like in the community that I was growing up in I didn't I would always bring my wallet just in case he didn't I wasn't going to expect it right but did they still pay sometimes they
04:21:10Brian Atlasdidn't right but have you had The Experience like more often than not they would pay for the first date I would say about half half 50% of the
04:21:20Brian Atlastime if my expectation as a man was 50% of the time she had to pay for the date she can bow 50% of the time i' be going I would be leaving those dates
04:21:32Brian Atlaswith a lot of pissed off women they'd laugh in my [ __ ] face if I was like you're not getting this women would laugh in my [ __ ] face if I was like oh you're not getting you're not paying for the whole
04:21:44Hedydate I actually went on a date once where we were going to eat and then go to a movie and I paid for my own food when we went to eat and then afterwards when we went to the ticket booth to purchase the tickets he walked away so I
04:21:56Alissahad to pay and I felt very awkward so I just did ironically I do often pay but this is like modern dudes but I often do pay for both but that's not who I want though so like it doesn't discredit his overall point all right we have
04:22:09Brian Atlasrealistic hard here it is unfortunate to be listening to so much evidence of programmed contrarians try to occasionally let go of your feelings and embrace the logic W Andrew y thank you realisticart I appreciate your super
04:22:20Toria Brookechat I have to run cuz I thought it was like ending at 9: and I have work well because it was going to be 4: to 9: I thought we were starting at four sharp so I actually have to run but um you're
04:22:33Toria Brookenot going to stay for the rest of the show well it's been 5 hours now right what's that it's been 5 hours right what
04:22:43Brian Atlasuh what do you mean I thought we were starting at 4 Sharp so I me time is 4 and then we
04:22:54Brian Atlasuh when are we going until oh my God uh I mean we tried to wrap around 11:30 or
04:23:05TTS Reader12 Lucas donated $200 marrying this generation of women is a game of Russian Roulette for a man 80% divorce is initiated by women
04:23:16TTS Readersomething like 90% of alimony paid from men to women same per for child support and weekend dad uh Lucas thank you very much for the uh TTS appreciate it I mean I just
04:23:27Brian Atlaslooked at our the notes we sent you I said we aim to wrap it uh and for you this has changed since because this was sent back in March of 2024 we've since
04:23:38Brian Atlaschanged this I did say we aim to wrap at 10 p.m. uh so I don't know where you got the nine number uh in more recent messages I tend
04:23:48Brian Atlasto say but may go longer but um okay yeah so do you want to stay I mean I'm
04:23:58Toria Brookenot going to force you you don't have to I I read I thought that it was only through nine but I guess I'm also on the East Coast so I didn't realize okay um I
04:24:10Toria Brookemean I didn't even get to your notes but um uh it's all right I'm sure you guys will be fine without one less linebacker with a blond wig be be fine do you do you
04:24:23Toria Brookewant to at least I can get through your notes I'm good it's all right thank you so much you're amazing thank
04:24:32Brian Atlasyou okay all right so I'll get through the rest of the notes then uh let's see here uh tortured
04:24:43Brian Atlastortured yeah tortured um all right we have uh rest of the notes with Bella here um you hooked up with a guy after you hooked up with a guy from Tinder you
04:24:57Bella Cakesaccidentally grabbed his phone thinking was yours and his wallpaper was him with another girl also think he might have lied about his age yeah so this guy that I hooked up with Tinder I think his age
04:25:07Bella Cakessaid like 19 but when I got in his car um I I mean I didn't think it was suspicious until after we had hooked up and I saw his like wallpaper and I started like making the connections and
04:25:19Bella Cakesstuff because I was like I was like asking where he went to school and he was like kind of dodgy about my questions and stuff um and when I picked up his phone it was I I couldn't tell if
04:25:31Bella Cakesit was him with another girl or if it was just another girl but it was pretty clear that like he had his girlfriend as the wallpaper and I just like pretended not to notice um
04:25:43Brian Atlasyeah it was awkward okay uh okay going to let's see here we'll just skip these Ashley's not here uh your notes
04:25:54Brian Atlasyou said one time when I was 19 I went on a date with a guy I was trying to purchase a tattoo from immediately found out he has three baby mamas decide to let him walk me home instead of bicycling cuz didn't have a car then I lived in a studio with a few other
04:26:07Brian Atlashousemates was not worried at all about him knowing where I lived on the walk home he starts to really dramatically flirt with me verbally something that stuck with me was that he said I want to have a baby with you it will be so pretty with blue eyes and I'll give it
04:26:19Brian Atlasthe most attention he also asked me to be his pretend girlfriend for family events which I denied I just wanted a
04:26:27Jamietattoo that was wild and I I it it was a really nice tattoo um I paid $25 in liquor to get it eventually but it took so long to get that tattoo um every
04:26:40Jamiesingle time I would show up to get the tattoo he would um like put me in front of his family and he'd be like just pretend for a second like cuz we weren't doing anything we weren't kissing we weren't it was just like I felt bad for
04:26:51Jamiehim at first and I don't know the guy was just a a little different wait you hung out with him more than once yeah cuz I wanted this tattoo so badly and I'd already put so much time on the
04:27:01Jamiefirst so you actually did pretend to be his girlfriend no I so it got really awkward uh when he brought his kids over and he tried to uh hold my hand and immediately when he did that I was like
04:27:12JamieI'm I'm sorry I got to go I even brought my friend over with me too just like doing this in front of your kids he was single he wasn't seeing how did you guys
04:27:20Jamiemeet um we met through a friend and they referred him to me what do you what do you mean they referred him to you well I
04:27:32Brian Atlaswas looking to get a tattoo from a local artist and oh but you said you went on a date with him so is it unreasonable for him to have romantic interest in you no it's not
04:27:45Jamieunreasonable but it's just kind of unreasonable to say things like on the first date like I want to have um kids with you and I'm going to pay attention to this kid only isn't that the story of your current
04:27:56Brian Atlasno did you say that I mean you had you literally had a kid it sound like very soon after meeting your current guy yeah but he hasn't is this your current guy
04:28:08Brian Atlasno no he doesn't have my current guy doesn't have any other kids besides ours okay but I mean didn't if I recall correctly didn't you say that when you
04:28:19Brian Atlasmet your current boyfriend who you have a kid with didn't you say like he said early on that you guys would have not the first day we met though so the second or third day yeah I don't know
04:28:32TTS Readerdonated $200 later baby lawyer in law school for 4 years atter misery met submissive Greek blond SL blueee former Eagles cheerleader before they dressed them
04:28:44Brian Atlas[ __ ] her father Vietnam Green Berry badass Bliss yo Lucas thank you so much man thank you for the uh big uh TTS man
04:28:52Brian Atlasreally appreciate it uh okay well um and so uh didn't you say though that you
04:29:03Jamiepretended he would put you in front of the family and be like he asked me to go to a few family events and I didn't go but I the one one time I was going over there
04:29:14Jamieto get the tattoo it didn't happen that day um he introduced me to his parents and then um another time he was giving
04:29:22Jamiemy friend and I a ride back home I think to my place um and his sister like like sincerely asked me she was like like what's going on and I'm like I'm just
04:29:34TTS Readertrying to get a tattoo and she's like oh okay what doc vener Billy donated $200 sorry late brickson here's a contribution to your prenup defense fund
04:29:46Brian Atlasprup defense fund yo doc thank you so much man I really appreciate it uh means the world uh you've been a longtime supporter so uh thank you man thank you
04:29:55Brian Atlasso much I'm a little confused because were you trying to date him or get a tattoo just get a tattoo and I made why did you go on a date with him then oh cuz I
04:30:07Jamiewas giving him a chance at first and then I told him I'm not interested I just want to get this tattoo and I was very clear and respectful about that you know there are tattoo parlers where you
04:30:17Jamiecan get a tattoo without the need of having to date fake date the I I didn't um fake date him he had had asked
04:30:28Jamieme to and I coaxed me to go there every single time upon the basis of you're going to get this tattoo today and then it's kind of like oh these things came up we're going to you know but I mean clearly it was a quit proquo right like
04:30:40Jamiehe wasn't giving you the tattoo I wanted to pay money did he accept the money no he wouldn't accept the money and but finally he accepted $25 in buzz balls and did it and it was perfect even
04:30:51Brian Atlasthough he was yeah okay um you said he was a bit he was a bit Looney every time you'd show up to get the tattoo he said what happen he'd manipulate me into joining in his Shenanigans with friends that were
04:31:04Brian Atlasactually quite entertaining I was very straightforward with him the whole time but he was very dulu I got the tattoo finally and it's one of my best best
04:31:12Brian Atlasmost compliment which tattoo is it is it the is that a bird no it's a luna moth
04:31:20Brian Atlasoh okay all right did I um you also said what are are uh yo Amos thank you for the gifted 20 memberships
04:31:31Brian Atlasman really appreciate it you said would our money expectations generally on the first few dates wait what oh hold on Lucas donated $200
04:31:42TTS Readerso ladies wake up decide how you want to live a life BC someone like me 25 years ago ain't touching any of you with a 10 foot
04:31:52Brian Atlaspole any response what we we're going to take a time machine like what is it matter thanks thank you Lucas I do appreciate that thank you um so okay you
04:32:04Brian Atlaswere asking what are money expectations generally on the first few dates between heterosexual people I think we talked about yeah but we talked about that okay uh and then also
04:32:17Brian Atlasfirst date with someone I wanted to buy some art from but gave him a chance oh this is the same guy yeah three baby mama guy yeah okay all right uh let's see you also said give her uh tell me
04:32:29Brian Atlasthe first date well another first date you had he was an angel he told me loved me multiple times and actually scared the [ __ ] out of me same guy or different guy no no
04:32:41Brian Atlastotally Angel though okay yeah just very enthus or passionate in the first date yeah dating is cool but it makes me sad that lust in relationship fits after 10
04:32:52Brian Atlasto 15 years I wish we were like crows and mated SL we're loyal for Life once we settled down
04:33:03Brian Atlasyeah okay that's cool uh let's get into something else here hold on uh do I want to do this one uh so body count does it
04:33:16Brian Atlasmatter does it not matter I no well for a guy I don't know if it's like let me change the question do you think it's if a man cares about body count do you think it's insecure of him oh no no no I think it's valid say
04:33:28Bella Cakesit again we weren't on you no I think it's valid for him to care um it depends on like what his reasoning is I guess cuz he thinks it's gross um no I wouldn't say he's insecure
04:33:40Jamieif he thinks it's gross wait what was the question is a man insecure if he's concerned about body count I would be too if it was like over 20 with a guy or well that's unrealistic
04:33:51Jamiebut yeah no I don't think it is no no somebody
04:34:03Brian Atlasphone H is it is that yours Andrew or no Morgan it's so over there yeah oh it's coming from the back okay no I keep M on
04:34:15Brian Atlasairplane mode uh okay so sorry guys we had a little vibration going on uh what's your body count so I've never counted
04:34:24Alissaofficially but I know it's 20ish 20ish okay um 11 all right say like five okay
04:34:33Brian Atlasuh it's probably around 20 all right one one one uh okay multiply it by three and that's
04:34:43Brian Atlasthe real number yeah all right well you know that's it is what it is it's math it's a science actually it's a science what's your body count I'm I'm a
04:34:55Alissavirgin no hey is the girl that bowed to you is she the girl that went through your phone on the first date no but it was a different Asian woman do you only
04:35:04Brian Atlasdate Asian women no I you just have a type uh I mean I date white women Asian women Latino women sometimes I was just like I can't picture that girl doing
04:35:16Brian Atlasthat I mean I date a black women I just don't think they I don't think black women like me oh yeah some probably do come on Brian well you know you would know and black
04:35:30Brian Atlasexp but uh okay let's go through this then uh I have to wait until she's back but um hold on guys one sec where are we
04:35:41Brian Atlasleave my fictitious black XY that is a fair point oh it's not a real thing I believed it me too Andrew needs to redo his hair by the way hair's fine we need to we need to get the it's fine it's
04:35:53Brian Atlasit's G it's fine bro okay that's say it's fine tussled is nice it's called the pomp door pomp aor it's good the pomad it's good all right uh okay question for the
04:36:03Brian Atlaspanel you're in the forest oh Andrew loves this one you're in the forest would you rather and you get to
04:36:14Brian Atlaspick you can and you you spawn randomly in the forest and you can spawn either a random man or a random bear and you're going to come across them which do you pick a man a man I think this question
04:36:25Jamieis so stupid I want to see a bear but definitely a man wait what bears arey oh okay I was on a motorcycle ride the other day and I saw a bear with my
04:36:35Jamiemy man yeah it was huge kind of sweet scary all right man man
04:36:42Andrew Wilsonman okay easy peasy all right let's go uh oh can you not do that at the table um I have a quick one for you so do you
04:36:54Andrew Wilsonthink a man or a woman would be more likely to tell you the truth um I don't I think probably equally so sorry if you if you had to pick one you know what honestly probably
04:37:05Alissamen because women tend to be more agreeable so maybe they would be like in some situations more more afraid of being honest may maybe men I agree with your point and it's
04:37:17Bella Cakesfunny you say that women are more agreeable cuz I'm agree with you yeah to men yeah women I think a woman it's who's more honest no who do
04:37:29Andrew Wilsonyou think would be more likely to tell you the truth a man or a woman man a man why' you two pick woman I value truth I don't know you think women would be more likely to tell
04:37:41Alissayou that what is true yeah I do I think women are afraid to hurt everyone's feelings yeah that's how like I would be honest and I'm a
04:37:53Alissa[ __ ] but so I'll just and a little autistic so just like I'm going to be I'm tell the truth but generally speaking I feel like women might be kind of like I don't want to hurt your feelings like or at least soften the
04:38:04Yekablow yeah with the Positive before the negative yeah I think a lot of Modern Men are kind of more sensitive and don't
04:38:14Yekawant to be upfront and uh there is the the curse of Eve where woman wants to rule over man and so it's really easy for them to just say the truth
04:38:25Hedyand uh be open about stuff women mhm although when I was dating I never
04:38:33Hedyhad a man like if it wasn't if we didn't feel you know like we were had chemistry I never had a man like come out and say it I feel like I was always the one to say it oh yeah me too it's a hard
04:38:45Andrew Wilsonquestion and then he agreed um cuz I mean you do realize that there's always the possibility that I had you thought that there wasn't chemistry and then after you told him he
04:38:57Andrew Wilsonwent ahead and agreed oh yeah I think so too even though well then he's still not being honest even though he actually didn't think so I had a couple um well yeah I mean there's going to be
04:39:07Alissaincentives for non- honesty sure yeah I agree we're just talk about um be up about it like where men will just like stay in a relationship instead of breaking up with somebody and just like make it miserable for the person until
04:39:20Alissathey leave women do the same thing oh I feel like we'll just leave no they definitely won't that all rates kind of reflect my I feel yeah and they're usually getting divorced after years
04:39:31Andrew Wilsonright yeah and and they cheat and they do all sorts of different things to and they keep the men just stay it's crazy they keep so do the women right it's not exclusive to men when will stay
04:39:44Alissatoo but we f for divorce more yes that is correct so I feel like maybe we're more honest about like maybe in regards to how we view the relationship I just think they're more sneaky about it I
04:39:56Andrew Wilsonthink they're just more sneaky and they they plan exit plans and [ __ ] like that before they before they hit the the divorce filing I don't think that it's because they're being particularly
04:40:06Alissahonest well speaking for myself I was honest I gave multiple warnings yeah but I mean but generally speaking yeah generally I wouldn't I just think because of women's nature like you were
04:40:17Alissasaying just the agreeable like don't want to hurt anybody probably overall and also like maybe fear of like what would happen um depending on what the
04:40:27Hedyscenario is but yeah I also dislike confrontation so if anything feels like it's becoming
04:40:35Hedyconfrontational or um not cathe I would try to avoid
04:40:44Jamiebut the truth always comes out eventually in most cases T you're I found with people to just be honest upfront completely and then um you avoid like you know that
04:40:55Andrew Wilson[ __ ] later on I mean women lie to each other so much it's unbelievable so they lie to each other about how they think each other look and about how they actually think like there's so many
04:41:07Andrew Wilsontimes I've actually seen even right here in whatever oh girl you look so pretty this and that she gets up and walks over like oh my God she's such a [ __ ] not kidding yeah I see it a lot and it makes female
04:41:19Andrew Wilsonfriendships hard yeah a bunch of passive aggressive Liars right it's like I'm just just throwing that out I've not seen a lot of the real direct honest
04:41:31Andrew Wilsonlike what's in your brain is not coming out and being verbalized to the other like what you really think some other version of that is what's coming out at least that's what I've noticed yeah
04:41:43Andrew Wilsonbut then men will be like oh yeah honey you look great Knowing damn to avoid possibly to avoid hurting your feelings they'll tell a white lie it could be the same scenario for women to one I don't think it's the same at all I think that
04:41:55Andrew Wilsonyou can I think even the woman can tell that he wants to verbalize something different and they can even pick up context clues that that is the case but I think it's far different to literally look at another woman in the eye and be
04:42:07Andrew Wilsonlike hey girl and then get up and second you get up they're both talking [ __ ] about the one who just got up that is so common in fact that women themselves make jokes
04:42:18Andrew Wilsonabout it constantly so yeah I think that I think that you can point to instances of men doing White Lies for sure but women just like kind of lied right to each other's
04:42:28Jamiefaces it's wild I mean I've seen a lot of guys like even my U guys my my friends that are gay um like they are nice to somebody in person even even heterosexual uh and then as soon as
04:42:40Jamiethose people are gone they're talking [ __ ] like telling telling me exactly how they feel or just joking about somebody you know yeah I'm sure it happens I'm just it just doesn't happen as much as it happens with
04:42:51Andrew Wilsonwomen like I've here let me give you an example you've probably seen a lot more men be upright confrontational with other men than you have
04:43:01Andrew Wilsonwomen I mean overwhelmingly and that requires some kind of Truth statement right in order to initiate confrontation there's going going to have to be some truth there I'm
04:43:12Andrew Wilsonmad because X thing well I'm mad because of other X thing so uh I don't see women doing that very often so just pointing that
04:43:24Brian Atlasout I do want to go back to the bow thing really quick there's bow version 2.0 I want to change the question a little bit would you bow for the perfect
04:43:37TTS Readerman yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
04:43:46TTS Readeryes Lucas donated $200 yeah thank you Lucas appreciate it time machine are you capable of abstract thinking point was that successful men age exist have
04:43:58TTS Readerexpectations similar to mine but avoid you like the plague BC of her insufferable Behavior SL ethos if you first first of all first of
04:44:09Alissaall I was married I left my marriage there's there's no lack of a lineup begging for the opportunity so I don't know where you get the idea that people like avoid me like the plague stop the C
04:44:20Alissawait there's a what check my DMs on Insta like [ __ ] free second without there's a what a whole lineup erroneous