She MISSED Her Ex While MARRIED?! Her Past DOES NOT Matter?! Andrew Wilson IRL! | Dating Talk #205

Date: 2024-10-16

Duration: 7h 08m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAlissa (DT205)>

JJamie (DT205)>

TToria Brooke >

MMorgan (DT205)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jamie(guest)

SPEAKER_03Bella Cakes(guest)

SPEAKER_04Hedy(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Toria Brooke(guest)

SPEAKER_11Yeka(guest)

SPEAKER_12Alissa(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAlissa introduces herself: 28yo real estate agent and residential cleaning LLC owner from Austin TX. Returns to recap divorce and absent ex-husband.

“my name is Alyssa I'm 28 I'm a real estate agent and I also um own a cleaning a residential cleaning LLC and I live in Austin”

IntroBella Cakes introduces herself: 21yo from Michigan, does OnlyFans (solo + BG with boyfriend) and works at a coffee shop.

“hi I'm Bella online I go by Bella cakes um I'm from Michigan I'm 21 and I do only fans and I also work at a coffee shop”

IntroJamie introduces herself: 24yo from Santa Barbara CA, stay-at-home parent (formerly paraeducator), some college.

“my name is Jamie I'm 24 I'm from uh Santa Barbara California um kind of in a break for work I'm doing uh stay-at-home parenting”

IntroYeka introduces herself: 35yo from Bastrop TX, sells gold and silver.

“I'm yeka I'm 35 uh I sell gold and silver and I am in Bastrop Texas”

IntroToria Brooke introduces herself: 31yo citizen journalist and senior adviser to President Trump, Palm Beach County FL.

“I'm Toria Brooke I'm 31 and I'm a citizen journalist and I also work for a senior adviser to president Trump”

IntroHedy introduces herself: 30yo from LA area, moved to Salt Lake City with husband 4 years ago, art history degree, between jobs (was in interior design), stay-at-home wife.

“hi my name is Hedy I'm 30 years old I'm originally from um Los Angeles area but I moved to Salt Lake City with my husband about 4 years ago”

IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself: host of The Crucible, political analyst and satirist.

“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst political saturnist”

QuoteAndrew Wilson states that if he decides not to involve his wife in a decision, that is his choice not hers. Framing of patriarchal household authority.

“if it is the case that I do do that right she doesn't have a say so when I feel inclined to do so if necessary she doesn't have a say”

QuoteAlissa rates herself an 8/10 after Brian pushes back on her reluctance to rate herself (she initially deflected, then said 8).

“eight there we go there we go”

QuoteYeka argues that a person living a new life in Christ should not be judged by their past body count — God's forgiveness should matter.

“our father has given us the gift of forgiveness if you are living a new life and have been living a new life for years that's what should matter”

QuoteAndrew counters Yeka's forgiveness argument using the pedophile analogy: being forgiven for something doesn't mean you let them near your kids.

“do you think that um people who have assaulted children... can be forgiven... you going to let them watch your kids no no so just because you've been forgiven for a thing doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly we're just going to look past what you did”

QuoteAlissa reveals her body count Instagram poll: ~95% of respondents said body count is NOT a dealbreaker if otherwise compatible.

“I made a Instagram poll and asked their age religion political background whatever to account for all the variables... like 95% probably said they don't care it's not a dealbreaker”

QuoteAlissa describes seeing her ex instinctively push her behind him during a bar fight — found it very attractive.

“I was at an I don't ever go out but we went out the other night and um there was like a big fight that happened at this bar and like the ex automatically like pushed me behind him and it was so hot”

ControversyBrian reads Reddit post about woman considering breaking off engagement after fiancé ran away from mugger while her brother stayed and fought. Update: she called off the wedding.

“am I the [bleep] for considering breaking up with my fiance because he ran away when we were being attacked... 2 Days Later calls off the wedding”

ControversyBrian reveals Alissa came to Santa Barbara with her ex-boyfriend, contradicting her earlier claim to be single. Calls it 'red pill number one'.

“so to the viewers you got two massive red pills one she said she was single she's been having sex with her ex-boyfriend for 3 weeks two they've flown out together”

ControversyAndrew Wilson predicts Alissa will NOT marry her ex-boyfriend; calls the ex's behavior 'revenge' — he is having fun and will not commit.

“100% you're not getting married to this guy you don't think so guarantee it... you screwed him over and he's getting massive revenge and he's literally having a ball doing it”

ControversyAlissa admits she was in love with her ex-boyfriend during the entire duration of her marriage, including while saying vows.

“I was always in love with him... there's been times where he's like one time he drunk texted me and he was like I've thought an unhealthy amount about raising your kids”

QuoteBrian shares that his assault case with on-camera confession was declined by the DA. He won the civil case but argues a female victim would have been prosecuted.

“the individuals were actually located... they confessed to assaulting me confessed on body camera... the district attorney did not pursue the charges... had I been a woman they would have prosecuted those guys”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status

Guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian mentions two separate pending legal threats. Panel covers relationship statuses, longest relationships, divorce details. Alissa recaps her divorce, custody dispute, and absent ex-husband. Bella discusses current boyfriend met on Tinder. Jamie reveals instant pregnancy story. Yeka discusses 5 years single and 3 years celibate. Toria single 1.5 years. Hedy just married in May 2024. Morgan is 18yo SBCC student. Andrew married 10+ years.

Body Count: Does It Matter?

Alissa shares Instagram poll results: ~95% of respondents said body count is not a dealbreaker if otherwise compatible. Andrew Wilson argues body count should matter for multiple reasons (STDs, dopamine downregulation, attachment issues). Brian adds that women are more likely to sleep with high-status men who have slept with many women (asymmetry in how body count reflects on status). Discussion of whether men are hypocrites for caring about women's body counts while ignoring their own. Alissa notes physiological effects apply equally to both sexes. Andrew argues from secular and religious perspectives separately.

Submission, Patriarchal Marriage, and the Bow

Andrew reveals he sometimes makes unilateral household decisions without consulting wife. Debate on whether a woman should 'bow' when her man comes home (Brian plays a video). Panel split: Alissa and others find bowing degrading; Toria would rather split a mortgage than bow; Yeka would bow after exclusivity; Hedy depends on the person. Andrew argues bowing is simply a submission gesture and nothing sinful. Bella Cakes would bow for current boyfriend, not a near-stranger. Andrew's position: patriarchal marriage with man as head; wife should submit unless commanded to sin. Debate on whether Christian wives must obey imperfect husbands (Paul's letters, Ephesians 5:22-24). Jamie says bowing is degrading but not a dealbreaker.

Provider Expectations and Who Pays on Dates

Discussion of what 'being provided for' means for a stay-at-home wife. Andrew probes for specifics: food, shelter, nails, hair, car? Jamie says needs plus some spending money. Bella Cakes says needs and wants. Andrew points out the vagueness and asks who decides at the threshold. Brian confirms all women want man to pay on first date as default expectation. Jamie says splitting is okay if there is chemistry; prefers man to pay but not dealbreaker. Yeka: non-negotiable that man pays first date.

Dating App Profile Reviews

Brian reviews Alissa's dating app profile (read by Alissa): values intellect, nerds/homesteaders, INTP, acts of service, no hookup culture, Instagram: Clementine. Reviews Bella's profile: likes TV shows, INTP personality, Cosmos by Carl Sagan. Reviews Yeka's profile: instant hit, lives biblically, loves conspiracies. Discussion of authenticity and selectiveness of profiles. Chat votes swipe yes/no on each profile.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10 (prompted by Stiffler in chat). Alissa: 8 (after Brian pushed back on her low initial response). Toria: 8+ (declined to use scale; says men would rate her 8+). Hedy: declined initially; agreed she'd be rated 8+ by 100 men. Morgan: 7 (under peer pressure). Andrew: 10 (joking confident answer). Brian: 5.

Aging & 10-Year Lookback

Brian asks each guest: will you be better-looking in 10 years? Were you better at 25? Alissa (28): better now than at 18; unlikely to keep improving. Bella (21): doesn't know if she'll be 'here' in 10 years (dark hypothetical). Toria (31): believes she ages like fine wine; better at 31 than 21; sees aging well. Hedy (30): better now at 30 than at 20 (cheek fat gone). Would not be better at 40. Yeka (35): better now at 35 than at 25. Instagram throwbacks shown for some guests.

Christian Forgiveness vs. Mate Selection

Yeka argues that if a person has a dark past but is now living a new life in Christ, their past should not matter as God's forgiveness erases it. Andrew counters: forgiveness by God does not obligate Christians to date/marry someone with high body count. Uses example: pedophiles can be forgiven but you still don't let them watch your kids. Both agree it is not hypocritical for a man to reject a woman based on body count even if he has the same count, because dating preferences are not required to be symmetric. Debate on whether it is hypocritical to sleep with someone while rejecting someone who slept with people of same sex.

Bella's 4chan Discord Hookup Story

Bella Cakes explains she started her online presence by posting a selfie on 4chan where it got attention. Built a Discord server with orbiters. One orbiter she connected with drove to Michigan and paid for everything; they met in a hotel and hooked up.

Women Having It Easier in Dating

Bella says women have it easier because men want sex so badly and do the approaching. Toria disagrees: hotter women get approached less because men fear rejection. Bella clarifies she means unattractive women have it hard, not attractive women. Andrew agrees women have it easier overall. Discussion of women's leverage vs. actual relationship quality. Brian says even unattractive women get male attention. Debate on whether patriarchy created women's 'easier' dating experience.

Fiance Running from Mugger: Would You Leave?

Brian reads Reddit post: woman's fiance ran away when they were mugged; brother stayed and beat attacker. Woman considering breaking off engagement. Two days later she called off the wedding. Panel: Alissa would get the ick and lose attraction to a man who ran. Toria: would leave — a man who can't defend you can't defend your family. Yeka: would chalk it up as a weak moment but not necessarily leave. Hedy: would reconsider given lifelong commitment of marriage. Alissa notes her ex instinctively pushed her behind him during a bar fight — found it hot.

Alissa's Marriage Revelation: In Love With Ex During Marriage

Brian and Andrew reveal Alissa came to Santa Barbara with her ex-boyfriend (not disclosed initially). Alissa admits she reconnected with ex after going to retrieve her handgun he had stored. Ex paid thousands toward her divorce retrial lawyer. Ex left 3-year girlfriend for her. Brian identifies 3 'red pills': (1) Alissa claimed single but has been sleeping with ex for 3 weeks; (2) she was in love with/fantasizing about ex during her marriage; (3) the ex she originally left when she chose to move to Austin (her own fault). Andrew predicts she will not end up marrying him; calls it 'revenge.' Alissa insists it's the real thing; ex's family and friends are unsurprised by reunion.

Misogynist or Not: Brian vs Andrew

Brian asks panel to rate who is more misogynist: him or Andrew. Most say Brian. Alissa says probably more Brian but Andrew's autocratic husband views initially seemed more concerning. Jamie says Brian. Yeka says neither. Toria says depends on definition. Hedy says she disagrees with both at times. Brian jokes he calls men names on the show too (called male feminists degenerate). Andrew says he would say mean things to men and women equally.

Are Women Oppressed?

Bella argues women are oppressed because their value is based on appearance. Brian and Andrew push back: ugly women still get male attention, ugly men do not. Panel discusses whether the same sex or opposite sex treats ugly people worse. Brian shares his own assault case: DA declined to prosecute despite on-camera confession; argues a female victim would have received prosecution. Andrew: police give women more passes (speeding tickets, pat-downs, DUIs). Jamie says yes women are oppressed, especially in workplace wage gaps. Toria links cultural issue to lack of strong male leadership. Debate on whether 'patriarchy' created women having it easier in dating.

Roast Session & Wrap-Up

Final TTS roast session. Chat roasts all guests. Brian fails to win a game of solitaire despite being 3 aces in. Twitch raid to W_Grandma. Brian considers dropping to one show per week in 2025 due to recruitment difficulty and burnout. Final goodbyes.

Transcript

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Alissait is my poll reflects that so what was the finding in your poll so I made a Instagram poll and asked their age religion political background whatever

Alissato account for all the variables sure and like 95% probably said they don't care it's not a dealbreaker y can go check it out it's a

Alissahighlight on my insta this is a you should pull it up because I'd like to see how it's phrased I said um no without adding commentary age just

Andrew Wilsonanswer these questions Age religion whatever is bodyc Count a deal breaker if you're otherwise compatible which is what we discussed last time if you're otherwise com okay so

Andrew Wilsoneverything is good except you [ __ ] a thousand guys yeah okay so and they and they said that that's not a deal breaker no very few people cared yall should pull it up so and that's what I was arguing last time and

Andrew WilsonI think it should be actually for multiple reasons and I can go over them all if you want but so you think that we should raise awareness that you should be asking women their body counts

Alissamore I I don't think there's a reason I I don't think it's negative in any way too yeah so then I agree with you that there are far too many men who are

Andrew Wilsonwilling to accept women with really high body counts it's uh absolutely revolting to me some of the numbers that I've heard from women where I'm just like I I don't even know how you I don't even know how you get out of bed well

Alissaactually we were just talking about this I'm like how that cuz last time I was on here I think the comedian chick said like 300 or something I was like how cuz she walks around with a mattress stra to her back like literally what are you

Alissadoing but I think it's the same for men because the physiological effects are the same you're still more likely to have STDs you're still downregulating your dopamine and oxto receptors it is

Brian Atlastrue the STD thing it's not true because men can't get HPV no women are more susceptible to STDs just for anatomical reasons but on top of that there is another

Brian Atlasdifferential here is that stop you got let me you can't keep [ __ ] interrupting okay so in addition to anatomical reasons women will tend to

Brian Atlasgravitate towards High status men so women will are more likely to end up sharing

Brian Atlasmen okay no argument there yeah so if all the girl girls are trying

Brian Atlasto [ __ ] Kanye or Chris Brown who [ __ ] thousands of women yeah and women are attracted to men of status and all this sort of

Brian Atlasstuff the men that women tend to pick when it comes to their promiscuity is they have access to those men yeah I think it's not a put off for these women

Brian Atlaswhereas if a man was privy to the fact that the woman's [ __ ] a thousand plus men no matter her status or her attractiveness level it's more likely to be a put off well yeah I'm not I'm not

Alissadisagreeing on the fact that like the majority of women will accept it more than men will I'm saying it should be an issue for either sex because of you could still get an STD you could still

Alissahave to deal with the other party's dependence you could still have someone with avoid an attachment style who can't form proper connections because they're you know hormones and neur neuro receptors are just totally screwed um so I think it should be concerning to

Alissaeither partner but I'm not saying that it is as much for women as it is men I think you're right about that mhm and I think that's silly of women but it's a thing

Andrew Wilsonyeah okay so your position is what you think it's silly of women yes so I wonder how

Alissadoes a woman determine a man has status I most women probably go for his money his Fame all the things that he

Andrew Wilsonmentioned and also what is considered status for men is beautiful women right sure so the more beautiful women that a woman has banged it seems obvious to me

Alissathat if women are going for men of status that if beautiful women were not going for those men they would think there was something wrong with them yeah but I think that's silly and that might be like my touch of the TSM where I don't care about like so social norms

Andrew Wilsonbut like I think what we should value is a man's Integrity his character his ability to be a good partner for you not the fact that he's Bang chicks but yeah yeah so but let's separate these two concepts the descriptive from the

Andrew Wilsonprescriptive right so I agree with you that people should base things around virtue right I agree with that but they don't so descriptively they don't doesn't it track that women if they were

Andrew Wilsonlooking for men of status would be looking at men who banged a lot of women well yeah yeah I'm not because that would that would show that would prove that women desire him that's part of their status right right but that's why

Andrew WilsonI said I think it's silly like I'm not but is it silly because in because in reverse that is not the case it does the exact opposite for women where men go oh

Andrew Wilsonwell your status is [ __ ] garbage right because you've uh you slept with a lot of men so I'm not sure I just think it should be the same well I don't think

Andrew Wilsonit is I I love the idea of both parties uh moving gravitating towards each other based on virtues right I think that that's great

Andrew Wilsonbut that is not the case well yeah I'm not arguing that it's not yeah so I mean prescriptively I would agree with you that they should move towards towards virtues but uh but they don't and so that if that if they don't right then

Andrew Wilsonhow can you give the advice to men for instance not to do this thing how can you give them the advice to not do this thing if women will reject them if they don't do the thing that's my whole that's my whole thing that's what I'm

Alissawondering well you shouldn't well I guess it's well you're religious right you shouldn't base it off of re secular argument well you should base it off of like what the Bible tells you to look for in a partner religious argument

Andrew Wilsonright that's what I was saying a secular argument non-religious you should care about your uh Sexual Health you should care about your mental health like all of the things those don't seem to be things which are highly affected I mean I get

Alissawhat you're saying but just know that there are women like me who don't find it attractive who the slightest bit of competition turns me off I don't want anything to do with it you know just you know wait for that person rather than R

Andrew Wilsonall this other [ __ ] if a guy is really high status he doesn't give a [ __ ] about you he's going to have tons of women who look like you but we're talking about the average Joe right no in fact the opposite we're talking about high status

Andrew Wilsonmen so Brian's argument so Brian's argument to no not just Kanye right that's super ultra high status right right Brian's argument to you is he's

Andrew Wilsonsaying look women seem to move towards men in a smaller group right so this why men in up with thousands of sex partners

Andrew Wilsonsome men it's because they have access to them right they plainly have access to them there's no discre there but if it is true that it is looked at by women as being odd or weird that women won't

Andrew Wilsongo near a guy right because they also perceive that as social status then how would you actually convince a man who wanted to attract really beautiful women to not have lots of sex with other

Alissabeautiful women knowing that that would be descriptively an attractive function for him because there's other attractive functions and if you want to bang a bunch of beautiful women then I wouldn't argue that at all by all means no but

Andrew Wilsonit's actually going to lead to banging more beautiful women right agreed but are you looking for the one are you looking to bang a bunch of yeah but I mean what are you going to say to uh one of these kind of uh 10 percenters or 20%

Andrew Wilsonmen who are like oh gee well let's see I could bang one chick forever or I could bang tons of hot chicks and the more hot chicks I bang the more likely hot chicks are going to let me bang them no I

Andrew Wilsondefinitely get that mentality yeah so I'm just like and people want to live that way that's I've had a a problem with uh arguing against this for a long time from a secular perspective from a

Andrew Wilsonreligious perspective is very clear but from a non-religious perspective how the hell are you going to convince men who are banging really really attractive women and the more attractive women they

Alissabang seemingly the more attractive women they can bang it it seems to me like it's impossible to convince them otherwise I mean you can tell them other things but it's probably not going to be

Alissaas big of a deterrent as you would like it to be but also it's not my objective as a Libertarian I don't give a [ __ ] what anybody does like do what you do so that's you know you're a Libertarian that's the closest so gross

Andrew Wilsonalignment that I can find really I'm like a Centrist but too much Jordan Peterson too much Jordan Peterson maybe so maybe it's too much

Andrew WilsonAlex Jones yeah yeah too much of him too okay so uh yeah that's I guess that's that's the only place we could really go with it then uh you said you also disagree with Andrew on the level of submission a

Brian Atlaswoman should have to her husband I don't know if we kind of already covered that or if you wanted to no we we pretty much cleared it up did we yeah cuz he's saying that like there is

Alissathere is conversations just at the very end like if let's say you have a budget of $2,000 this month and your wife is like I want this purse and you're like well sorry for your luck I make the

Alissamoney that's like okay fair um I but it was just based off of One Clip that I got the impression that like I don't cuz in this clip you said something to the effect of like if I don't want to talk about it I don't give a [ __ ] and I think

Brian Atlasyou should view your partner respectfully enough to always include them hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on Damian just don't even touch the keys please

Alissaall right okay go ahead so I kind of got the impression that maybe like you don't include her at all and are just kind of like which I I obviously I know that it wouldn't be

Alissaever but I kind of got the impression that maybe it's the majority of the case that you like don't have the discussion and I think it's fine to have the ultimate say but respect your partner enough to talk about it but you

Andrew Wilsonclarified all that earlier so well well now now it's murky again right so um let's move back I don't actually have an objection to a man being an authoritarian Tyrant from your

Andrew Wilsonperspective in his relationship it's uh completely non- bothersome to me I think it's fine but you're a Christian yeah okay do do realize Christianity is

Alissaa patristic faith I understand that it says that the husband also has duties to his wife too like like Jesus loved the church and I don't think Jesus like I screw you I'm sorry did Jesus have to

Andrew Wilsonjustify anything to the church no but he ALS he talked to his disciples did he have to justify anything to him no but that's that goes back to the last so who's the leader we don't disagree there okay so if you're the leader and you say

Alissawell you're leading me wrong then who's the leader then you if you're a Christian the leader should be God so if your husband is not leading in a Biblical way you don't all

Andrew Wilsonyou don't just submit to him and and forgo God right Christ right head reflection in a marriage of the head is the husband right so but Le the body is

Andrew Wilsonthe woman right sure but if he's not leading in a Biblical way that's not what Paul says Paul doesn't say if they're not lead what Paul says specifically is even if your husband's not leading in a Biblical way right you should stay married to him anyway yeah I

Andrew Wilsondon't know about all that well that's what he says but there's a lot of contradictions when it comes to this and well then how could you how you going to tell people should do as Christians then if yous toward all of the other disciples

Andrew Wilsonthan any of them so but there's no contradictions you don't think no okay we should take not L of things we're going to come back to here every biblical contradiction can easily be reconciled and most of it is because you

Andrew Wilsondon't have contextualization you read the Bible like it's an Ikea manual it's not right you have to I don't read the Bible that way yeah I mean how else could you read it you read it like it's

Andrew Wilsona Living Word of everything what does that mean how what you're The Interpreter right yes okay so how's would you read it other than an to

Andrew Wilsonread it with like historical context who it's being spoken to all of the things okay so then these you would agree that these contradictions that you state can be easily reconciled I think usually I don't I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot a Biblical scholar so I can't pret when it comes but when it comes to Paul yeah Paul said stay married anyway right but here's why he said that he said because uh even if you're staying married to this person who's Fallen away it's the chances that they find their

Andrew Wilsonway back is much higher so here's the thing right here's what if they don't here's the here's the idea the idea and I'll just give you the logical exercise and you can see if you can correct it or

Andrew Wilsonhand it back to me okay the idea is this there can only be a leader one leader you agree right I think if you're both leaders

Andrew Wilsonthen neither are leaders I think we can tag team on different topics but I'll I'll bite here yeah so okay if you're a fourstar general you're not in charge of another four-star general but you're in

Andrew Wilsoncharge of all three star generals right okay you agree with that yeah okay so there's one leader and then here there's one one person who's Following the Leader correct you agree with that okay

Andrew Wilsonso anytime the follower of the leader says you aren't leading me right so no who's now in charge who's the leader now okay so but let's say in in one example let's say the Christian husband suddenly

Alissabecomes Pagan and is like we're not doing this anymore we're not to church say what did Paul say yeah he said to stay married but this might St married but that doesn't mean that you have to follow the leadership on in that regard

Andrew Wilsonthough I think that and this is explained very well in Orthodoxy and the reason I'm bring up Paul is just because I think it's really funny to use that example against people who are naysayers but um it has to comport with reason and

Andrew Wilsonso reason your husband can't tell you to sin he can't tell you to go do a gang day he can't tell you to go blow he can't tell you to go blow other men so for his own personal IMM he can't tell you to do any of that stuff okay great what about if he just says ah shut up

Andrew WilsonI'm not going to justify anything to you what's the sin oh I'm not saying it's sinful well then what's the problem you just don't like it right that's the problem me yeah you you don't like it yeah yeah so the thing is though is like

Andrew Wilsonlike Sonata a sin you can't point to anything he's doing wrong right it's just you don't like it and so when people people say well that's not very Christian when I point out ah it I'm to

Andrew Wilsongive you the 2000 years of History where it sure looked pretty Christian um I would just like to note how is it not I mean I guess technically it could be but

AlissaI was speaking in the context of like your relationship Dynamic and what what would my personal relationship D much but that's where the initial thing came from because I heard you say that and I

Andrew Wilsonwas like o are you really like you are you really doing that yeah sometimes I'm an absolute Tyrant I'm like I believe I go I don't [ __ ] care

Andrew Wilsonsometimes I don't care and that's fine I don't have to care so the thing is is but I'm going to take this a step further and say that men who are running

Andrew Wilsontheir marriage right if if they if they like look I really don't want to consult you about I don't know almost anything uh I I don't actually see a problem with

Andrew Wilsonthat do you think that maybe that contributes to like divorce rates and the fact well first of all I don't even think it happens that much just so no okay in fact I'd say if it happened more it would decrease divorce rates probably

Andrew Wilsonwell if they were like ah if they just came in and gave a patronizing P we like oh honey shut the [ __ ] up it's under control right I think it would actually decrease divorces rather than coming in and being like can't argue that

Andrew Wilsonhypothetical being like Oh Oh I have so much anxiety from work right just saying I mean I don't fully disagree there actually see I think this brings up the

Toria Brookecultural topic that's kind of rampant on on Tik Tok right now and it's that women don't want to have to make decisions it's the idea of the passenger princess like you want to be able to sit pretty and like let the man lead so I think

Alissathere's kind of Merit to both of what you're saying but I I agree with that too yeah the one person that I did go on dates with it's because they were like we're going to go shooting at this time

Alissamake sure you wear clothes toed shoes whatever whatever and as a mom who also solely is the sole Financial provider I you're right I don't you don't have to think me what we're doing but do it

Andrew Wilsonnicely because I'm not going to deal with a constant assle the tone Oh I can't take the tone Oh my God the tone I mean I don't terrible I'll wake up in the middle I'll wake up in the middle of the night though and like smack you and be like oh my God I had a dream you're

Alissawere cheating it's like oh the Tone's fine then right no I don't do that [ __ ] but do you never done that [ __ ] no but do you listen to Bill Burr because you kind of like you seem like you listen to

AlissaBill bur I like some Bill bur stuff yeah okay you just like go into like kind of you kind of sound like him sometimes well I mean great minds think alike agreed I'm sorry that he stole

Andrew Wilsontons of my comedy bits and has taken them on the road but I'm not going to hold it against him okay okay fair right going to uh yeka is that how you

Brian Atlassay your name yes okay you had a perhaps a disagreement you said that I think that if you were wanting a traditional relationship with someone who wants to live a bib biblical life just because

Brian Atlasbecause you have a dark past with a high body count our father has given us the gift of forgiveness if you are living a new

Brian Atlaslife is Desmond on the phone are you what's huh if you're living a new life and have been

Brian Atlasliving Austin his on a phone call right now are you on a phone call all right now that you're hearing chat

Brian AtlasStreet chatter I don't didn't sound like yeah all right if you're living a new life and have been living a new life for years that's what should matter so let

Brian Atlashere I'll start from the beginning uh just because you have a dark past with a high body count our father has given us the gift of forgiveness if you are living a new life and have been living a new life for years that's what should

Yekamatter nobody is perfect yeah I think uh you know God gives us um the opportunity to be born again and be new people and uh

Yekayou know if you've been living a new life you know you let your old self die I think everybody should deserve you know another

Yekachance um nobody's perfect we all struggle with different things and and uh like I said yeah just I think we all have opportunity to let our old selves

Andrew Wilsondie and be a new person if we were living in Christ yeah sure I think that being forgiven for those things is not only appropriate but what Christians are

Andrew Wilsoncalled to to do right is to um to ask for forgiveness for their sins right that's that's what they're supposed to

Andrew Wilsondo but you you wouldn't say Christian's obligated to in any way date uh or not reject a Woman based on body count right no I'm not saying that yeah so like if a

Andrew Wilsonguy was a Christian and he met with a Christian woman and he really liked her he thought she was great but found out that she had slept with 50 men and he was like well that's deal breaker for me

Andrew Wilsonyou don't have an objection to that right no not at all okay so then in some ways I think that this is just a cope position and the reason I think it's a cop position is because what happens is

Andrew Wilsonmany of these women go from literal online bom where they're like doing boy girl content on only fans things like this and they go oh well [ __ ] it's 30 time to get married drop out of that and

Andrew Wilsonthen move over and say now I'm a Christian but then they get into the dating Market as a Christian and these men are like well I'm still not interested in you even though I'm a Christian right aren't they still

Andrew Wilsonsetting themselves up for massive failure here like you sure God forgave you great and I'm glad you're a Christian I'm still not dating you right I mean like even with age you know

Yekathat's that stuff makes you less optimal than dating like you were saying you know your childbearing years are when you're younger so you know all I'm not

Andrew Wilsondisagreeing with that at all um yeah yeah so I mean it just I don't really understand what the point is then like they understand I mean Christians understand

Yekathe Forgiveness aspect right yeah but not everybody has a perfect past you know a lot of people were grown raised with uh traumatic life events where sure they didn't have both parents

Yekain the household uh they didn't know you know what being loved by both parents was or you know grew up with a bad past um yeah I agree with all that yeah but I'm not yeah I don't know I get I think

Alissait's probably in reference to the episode that I was on where the girl like became a Christian and then Brian's like kind of late now like I think that's probably less of like the probably

Andrew Wilsonso if when if it came to this idea of sexual Dynamics then yeah becoming a Christian is not going to erase your sexual history I think pretty much only Christians will be the ones if they have

Andrew Wilsonif they hold that view that would kind of like be forgiving of it Oh They'll forgive it that doesn't mean that they're G that doesn't mean that they're going to you know put a ring on it

Brian Atlasthough right and they don't have to so so is that it that's your position yeah

Brian Atlasso are you when you say forg like okay so you can be forgiven through your faith or whatever but you think it's like objectionable if

Brian Atlasmen would refuse to date you because of your dark past of a high body count I mean I'm not saying it's

Yekaobjectionable um I just think that other people with similar pasts look at it like it's bad like oh you can't do that but I can do it kind of

Yekalike thing so why would that be a problem it's giving like it's saying that women can't have bad past but the guy can have a bad past like I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink yeah well I mean it's just it's so this just comes down to preferences right so it's like um this idea is okay let's let us assume for a moment you have a man he converts around the same

Andrew Wilsontime you do let's assume inside the hypothetical that both of you slept with a thousand people okay not saying you have of course not I'm just saying in the hypothetical we're just like assuming this right doesn't even have to

Andrew Wilsonbe you just woman man both of them slept with a thousand guy or people they converted the exact same time uh they meet each other they like each other they both find out that the other one has slept with a thousand

Andrew Wilsonpeople it's a deal breaker for the guy not for the girl says well wait a second you slept with 1,002 he says yeah but I don't care I still don't want to to date you based on the fact that you have I

Andrew Wilsondon't I still don't actually see a problem with that like I can't figure out what the actual issue with that would be I mean yeah I guess everybody has their own preferences but yeah I I don't

Yekathink it would be okay if both people have similar dark path and one person's like no I don't it's okay that I did it but it's not okay that you did it well no well you're both starting from the same slate though so you both you both

Andrew Wilsonhave been forgiven for the sins right so and you're you're both you're both pursuing Christianity Christian ethics right okay so you're you're starting equal so he just says okay based on your past I'm not

Andrew Wilsoninterested yeah I don't I don't agree with that I don't think that's okay I that okay it's kind of hypocritical yeah but so what why can't you be hypocritical in dating

Andrew Wilsonpreferences cuz I think you should I I definitely um 100% right think that if you've ever slept with a guy right right that it

Andrew Wilsonwould be a deal breaker with you if a guy ever slept with another guy would that be a deal breaker if a guy that I slept with if a guy slept with another guy would that be a deal breaker for you yeah have you ever slept with a guy [ __ ] hypocrite

Andrew Wilsonyou tell have you ever slept with a guy hypocrite have you yeah but not with somebody of the same sex so what you still slept with a man and he slept with a man why would that be a deal breaker hypocrite cuz one involves homosexuality

Alissaand the other doesn't wait wait wait wait are they both sleeping with men argument are they both sleeping with men oh repeat it one has to do with homosexuality which doesn't okay it

Andrew Wilsondoesn't align with Christian values okay wait a second that wasn't my question my question had nothing to do with Christian values my question was would you ever date a guy who slept with a guy

Andrew Wilsonanswer is no okay but he's expected to sleep with you who slept with another guy it's like okay that would be hypocrisy tell me how it wouldn't be because you probably wants men who

Andrew Wilsonare attracted to women they could still be attracted to women she would ex okay are they only attracted to women yeah okay great so what so we could

Andrew Wilsonreduce anything that way in fact we just endlessly make reductions sure but you should probably can you give a better closely aligned argument as soon as you give a logical reputation of the first

Andrew Wilsonargument but you were the initial person arguing nope she was she said it's a hypocrisy I gave an a counter example of hypocrisy you have refuted not my my example of hypocrisy you're just not

Andrew Wilsonaccepting that it's a false equivalency what's false about the equivalency one involves homosexuality the other does not oh okay so anytime that you make an analogy between two things which are

Andrew Wilsonhypocrisy you agree they're always going to be different right well hang on you agree with me that anything you compare to anything else is always going to be different than the thing you're comparing it to I think you can compare

Andrew Wilsonthings that are a little bit more closely my question you're evading no I think I don't is every every instance of hypocrisy is going to be different than another so anytime you say you're a hypocrite no you're a hypocrite you both

Bella Cakeshave done hypocritical things that are not the same thing so really don't know where you're I think you do know no but but okay but in this case like I feel like we're like why would you not sleep with a man who slept with another man is

Yekait because it's because of the homosexuality right yeah I'm yeah that's okay great if you weren't a Christian would you what's that if you weren't a Christian would you sleep with a guy

Andrew Wilsonslept with a guy yeah probably not yeah probably not yeah but it's still about the homosexuality waop the entailment of the homosexuality here would be it's sinful

Andrew Wilsonif you're a secularist you can't say it's sinful right there nothing you would just say it's gross it's gross okay sure that's what you think so there's nothing wrong with having the preference of its gross even if you've done the exact same

Andrew Wilsonthing there's nothing wrong with having the preference of thinking I agree so her saying this is hypocrisy great this is hypocrisy too well she can also

Alissachoose to reject him based on his past correct same even if she had the exact same equivalency like I don't like I would I would do it if the compatibility

Alissawas there enough but I don't necessarily want to date somebody with kids you know what I mean even though I have them so I get it many [ __ ] hypocrite I have two date a guy who has kids I would if we

Andrew Wilsonwere like super compatible but it's not going to be the top of my list by far hypocrisy I exactly like I'm owning it though it's it's actually fine like it's fine to um to entertain hypocrisy when

Andrew Wilsonit comes to dating preferences I have no idea why it wouldn't be like I'll give you a million more examples right um You probably would prefer to have men who are taller than

Andrew Wilsonyou yeah I mean I'm not requiring like six foot or anything she would probably like it right yeah okay would you reject a guy based on the fact that he wasn't tall taller than

Andrew Wilsonyou not always necessarily no what if he was bald no I like that okay what if what if he was like really heinously

Yekaugly uh no I think there should be some physical attraction no yeah there has to not it doesn't have to be like Head Over Heels instantly but I think there definitely needs to be some sort of so you can think of probably all kinds of

Andrew Wilsonpreferences and traits that you would like right to have in the other partner correct yeah yeah okay so let's back up and take kind of a bird's eye view uh

Andrew Wilsonwhen you're talking about an argument from hypocrisy the reason that it's fallacious to begin with like a you're a hypocrite you should do this preferential thing that I like is because it actually doesn't make any sense because whatever standard you're

Andrew Wilsonholding them to you you could easily be held to the exact same standard back and and you would likely be a hypocrite when it came to dating like for instance uh You' probably think a guy who has brown

Andrew Wilsoneyes it's okay for him to reject a girl who has brown eyes is that hypocrisy no why why not why

Andrew Wilsonnot they have right to choose what they they have right they have a right to choose based on their preferences right yeah yeah so if they both have the same body count why can't he just to still say no it's too high

YekaI don't know I think those are just that's a different level of standards that people hold to each other like I I guess what my take is it's just

Yekaa lot of people uh Overlook the Forgiveness aspect and I'm not saying that if you don't want to make that choice to be with that person because of their past like I'm not saying that

Andrew Wilsonthat's not okay but you know I just think that uh do you think that um people who have assaulted children have essay children can be

Andrew Wilson[Music] forgiven I mean they can be forgiven right they can be forgiven yeah you going to let them watch your kids no no so just because you've been forgiven for a thing right yeah I see

Andrew Wilsonwhat you're saying doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly oh well we're just going to look past what you did right mm so yeah I see what you think yeah all right I'm good all right uh mve

Brian Atlasmoving to Bella Bella you said you met up with a guy that you met on 4chan Discord in the hotel to [ __ ] yeah so I actually like started all of my the fored Discord pipeline really yeah well

Bella CakesI actually started like my online presence like on forchan I basically just posted a selfie and it got a lot of attention and then I started posting a

Bella Cakeslot on the same board and I made a Discord server for myself and I got a lot of like orbiters or simps or whatever ever and um one of the guys we

Bella Cakesended up having a lot in common and I found him attractive and he was like would you want to meet up and hook up and I was like sure why not if you drive

Bella Cakesand pay for everything sure so he drove here and we hooked up and then he went home mhm okay

Brian Atlascool all right you said that women have it way easier than men when it comes to dating SL getting hookups

Bella Cakesyeah um I think that because of the fact that men want sex so bad um I think it's a lot easier

Bella Cakesfor women yes um but in dating in general um also just because I think it's like a thing

Bella Cakesin our society whether it be due to like biological aspects or like you know societal aspects because like men are often the ones courting women so like

Bella Cakeswomen don't usually have to take the initiative um so like you know like as a woman like I never really approach guys

Bella Cakesand I think I have it easier in that way like men just you know like I think it's more common for men to just approach women and that's what I mean by

Bella Cakeseasier yeah and this is from your your own experience also I mean it's from my own experience and just like I feel like every woman's experience honestly like okay but I

Bella Cakesthink it's like um I feel like the controversial part is that like um I think that there's a negative side

Bella Cakesto that too because if you're like an unattractive woman um like men won't really give you the light of day at all like they will kind of see you as invisible where as like if they see an

Toria Brookeunattractive man like they'll still see them as like a peer I completely disagree I think it's actually harder for better-looking women um men don't approach you as often cuz they are

Toria Brookeintimidated with getting rejected and the average or lesser looking women actually get approached more because men don't want their egos to be shut down I mean it depends on like how attractive

Bella Cakesyou are though I guess like if you're like a 10 yeah guys will be scared to approach you but that's because they like admire adire you so much you don't have to be a t i don't know about admiration I mean I just think it's a

Toria Brookepsychological it's almost like when you're fishing right like you want to draw your line and you want to get a bite and I think a man's going to go for someone that's more demure and less

Bella Cakesresistant to their advances yeah but I guess okay I guess like you're talking about like average looking women I'm like talking about like unattractive women like I

Bella Cakesthink unattractive women have it really hard because those are the ones they marry it's a thing well I mean like it's just like because I like when I was like a little bit younger like I've lost a

Bella Cakeslot of weight and like I've like noticed a big difference in just like the way that like men have treated me and it's like not even in like a romantic sense

Bella Cakesbut just in like how they treat me as a human and I think it's because of how they view me like or like if they see me attractive they're not you

Brian Atlasknow okay uh but you did say that you know you said women have it a lot easier than men when it comes to dating but a lot of that is a result of the patriarchy yeah so that's like what I

Bella Cakeswas kind of getting into there is like I think that the whole thing with women having it easier was like created by men

Bella Cakesbecause they kind of view women as like a a prize a lot of the time and it's not necessarily like like we're not necessarily like asking for that attention mhm um well right now what's

Toria Brookehappening in 2024 is beta males actually view themselves as the prize because they're not taking the lead so like men for example who asked you out on the date who planned the date to said we're going to go shooting like wear this

Toria Brookethose are the alpha males the ones that don't have to say they are I am so irritated by these accounts like on Instagram that like have to say they're an alpha mail like no you're actually not because the true masculine energy

Toria Brookejust leads and so I don't necessarily think that Women quote unquote having it easier was created by men I don't even think women do have it easier I don't think either sex has it easier I think

Andrew Wilsonthere's I definitely think women have it easier maybe certain kinds of women I know I wait which which ones yeah which ones don't actually I'm

Toria Brookecurious too is it you said it was the hot ones that if you have if if a man doesn't have a big enough of a set to handle a woman who's intelligent and

Toria Brookesmart and attractive and maybe successful then yeah it is it is hard you you mean it's a thing Brian wait you mean a pain in the ass no

Toria Brookebecause you can be they'll never talk to you you can you can be successful in your skill or profession and be subservient in your relationship and

Andrew Wilsonsubmit so I don't think the two should conflict is that something that you usually see with boss babes that they're very submissive I don't want to be a boss bab you think that

Andrew Wilsonwomen who have careers and are very career oriented highly career oriented want to see themselves succeed in their careers are usually boss babes because that's been my experience here's what I don't usually see in women who are super

Andrew Wilsondriven towards career is that they're super submissive to men haven't seen that very much where are you finding all these super driven career submissive women I'd love to know I think what happens is certain people have been LED

Toria Brookein a certain direction because they don't feel they have the option there aren't enough men that are up to par with Christian values or leading I mean

Andrew Wilsonthere's so many beta mes right now you can agree with that there's a lot of men right now that are my distinction here is like I think I would agree with you there's way too many [ __ ] Sims for

Andrew Wilsonsure um but when you say when you say a beta male right versus an alpha male um I don't even I don't even believe in those categories those are bad categories

Andrew Wilsonwell how maybe Society so these like the the alpha hierarchy I just I just think it's nonsense but but um like if you if you're talking about like a a sissified

Andrew Wilsonman or something like this sure right I can I can see that or a s or this type of thing but I'd still like to know this phenomenon of where you're finding all of these really submissive career-driven

Toria Brookewomen like where do you think think I don't think any woman unless you're like a straight up liberal and just delusional I don't think there's any women who want to be career driven I think it's the choice that you have

Toria Brookebecause you haven't found any kind of a situation where you're going to be provided for you're not just going to sit in your dad's garage at 18 and just wait for some night to come save you that's just not the reality of the world and based on the destruction of the

Andrew Wilsonnuclear family that's where we that's career driven then it seems like if you're getting a career because uh that's the the alternative you have to being taken care of then that's not you being driven towards career that's

Andrew Wilsongetting a career because it's the only way that you can make ends meet seems like that's something you would give up very quickly if uh if you if you didn't have to make end meet I don't I don't really understand where that drive is

Alissaexactly I don't understand it either but I can tell you that my ex the girl he was with in the years that we were apart like she he offered for her to live with him and him pay all the bills and stuff

Alissaand she's like no I want to get my PhD you can kind of like [ __ ] off and uh I don't want to have kids either at least not for many years I'm just focused on this and I'm

Alissalike hi I I'll live with you I think it's crazy to not accept that but and and some of it's just like you can't like the reliability of men

Alissatoo like you have to just a guy I can tell you firsthand I was married to someone who wanted to be a provider and all the things and then ended up well I can't get into that but it ended up

Alissagoing left so that's where the fear comes from for a lot of women but some women just genuinely don't have that drive and they're and also ironically she was submissive to him and like we're kind of even K with one another and I'm

Alissamore like Trad wifey I guess and it's also a thing where people assume Trad wives are going to always be submissive and just like let their partner steam roll over them all the time and that's also not the case like there's so many

Andrew Wilsonvariables all Rel depends on how you want to Define things right but tradition like how would you even Define tradition it's actually a hard word to

Andrew WilsonDefine what a nuclear family looks like the man works I mean you wouldn't Define tradition as just being nuclear family tradition has a specific meaning in regards to dating though well I mean just in general what would you what

Andrew Wilsonwould you say tradition is following what Generations before you did yeah I think I think there's some truth I don't think that that captures it but it it kind of has the right idea

Andrew Wilsonto be charitable right best way I heard this described was um tradition would be experiments and cultures have done that work right that's that's kind of a thing that we would point to as being

Andrew Wilsontradition like uh Christmas for instance it seems to be kind of this experiment that the culture did and it seems to work fine right it's a stressful time of the year and we just can't seem to wait for it or wait for it to be over uh but

Andrew Wilsonit's it's something that seems to work uh Halloween these different holidays uh all sorts of different traditional kind of aspects of American culture right

Andrew Wilsonuh culture biblical Etc these are all experiments which work so what happens when experiments start breaking down like the liberal experiment the progressive experiment people start to look at the experiments at work right

Andrew Wilsonand they go okay we got to move back to those experiments because they worked so that's what I think traditionalism is right so I think that the Modern Woman must have a cake and eat it too because at the time that marriages were working women didn't have a [ __ ] say okay

Andrew Wilsonthat's the truth you want to see the time where um there was almost no divorce right we can we show you a time when the happiness index was likely happier could file for divorce so does it count no

Andrew Wilsonthey could like so you're accounting for like past the 80s they could they could show they could show cause for divorce even the church granted divorce for infidelity things like this but even in

Andrew Wilsonthe early 1920s 1930s right 1940s people were are were much much much happier and everybody you ask in modernity they could get H I've asked this question a million times you think people were

Andrew Wilsonhappier in the 1950s you are right now almost every time the answer is yes I think they were interestingly enough women couldn't have the credit cards though right women couldn't have they they didn't have all this suffer they

Andrew Wilsondidn't have all this [ __ ] very strange to me right why it is they didn't have any of these kind of feminist uh ideals and yet seem to be far happier uh when

Andrew Wilsonthey didn't have all this say so I think when people say tradition they don't really mean tradition they mean I want modernity with this kind of laring aspect the laring aspect being yay I get

Andrew Wilsonto stay at home and not [ __ ] do [ __ ] right yay this is great but I don't think that's traditional what's traditional about that and tradition is supposed to be

Andrew Wilsonthat you obey that's supposed to be the tradition the tradition is not supposed to be egalitarianism in the household that's modernity it's the opposite of tradition but yeah right but why not

Andrew Wilsonbecause just the word makes you sick cuz you've been completely brainwashed just been worked on your entire life that obedience to a man you're every bit as good as him even though it has nothing to do with good there was one of those bur moments um has nothing to do with

Alissagood right well maybe maybe it's my social programming but just my personality type in general but obey o don't not a fan um but I am a fan of doing the cooking and the cleaning and all the things you like to do right but

Andrew Wilsonthat's not obedience like to do I like to cook yeah but it's not OB it's not obedience for you to do things you like to do it's obedience for you to do things that you don't like to do when you're told to do them that's obedience but we could also just say

Andrew Wilsonthat the nuclear family Dynamic works better and you don't also have to be like totally subservient to your partner it doesn't work what breaks it down is the lack of subservience from the woman

Andrew Wilsonthe lack of obedience from the woman is what breaks it almost every single time this is why do you tell me why are they filing for divorce at such high rates why are they moving pushing back against men at such high rates they're

Jamiecompletely disobey in their relationships looks like you have something on this go ahead no I mean you agree do you agree or disagree with Andrew I don't agree

Jamiewhy um for a few reasons I don't know just you want to articulate those

Jamieuh on what specific points like obeying obeying okay so I mean submission I don't know if somebody

Andrew Wilsonwants to obey I just it's not obedient yeah he's like I'll do I'll do what you want if I want to it's like

Andrew Wilsonwell where does the obey part come in well I'll follow you as soon as I think that I need to follow you when you when I decide that it's okay to follow you

Alissathen I'll Follow You office but um no but like maybe obedience doesn't need to factor in though maybe we could just get back to men being providers and leaders and women being mothers and caretakers taking stress off of the men by handling

Andrew Wilsonthe things that they don't have the time to do if they're that's great you get all the perks and the benefits I mean not all like I don't think most women also want to cook clean and you know oh that's so hard to cook and clean look at this I don't think it's hard if someone

Andrew Wilsonelse so you get to so you get to stay home all day you get the luxury of being at home with your own children you don't have to Outsource that if you're not lazy and you actually homeschool and if you're not your kid's going somewhere

Andrew Wilsonelse for8 hours a day literally 8 hours a day while you're at home oh my God this I literally agree with you on this this is terrible this is hor what hard what it's horrible what's happening to

Andrew Wilsonwomen it's like no it's not hard and on top of that you say okay I get all the perks all the benefits but I you know I don't want to do that obedience I have a question um [ __ ] that

Alissaobedience thing and it's like so that's a pretty raw deal for me but like also like I can't even imagine a situation where one would need to be obedient because I'm like looking at my boyfriends and like ex-husband and like

Alissawell maybe when it matters that's when like so give me an example of like like what that's what I was say like what M like do you think that that's

Bella Cakesacceptable no okay but okay but like to what extent do you think she should obey though like what if she disobeys you with the confines of Reason like so just give me she has to be obedient within the confines of Reason beating your wife

Andrew Wilsonbe sinful okay well if she doesn't obey you what do you do what would you do what for for Disobedience yeah well the same things that she would do right now he would first you would uh try reason

Andrew Wilsonright he would explain what their duties are and you would go to your community in this case the church to see if you could get this reconciled right because it's a problem and what if she continues to disobey well then there's going to be

Andrew Wilsonuh extreme problems inside of the marriage and it's going to be a lot of [ __ ] misery that's what but marriage takes work between both people yeah I'm not disputing that like somebody doesn't want to do something I still want an

Andrew Wilsonexample of there there's no disputing well okay I'm fine giving those examples right but when person ask me a question I have to give that answer then I have to give that answer now we've circled back to this one okay so exactly discipline discipline is a great one

Alissaright what if your husband wants to discipline he wants to use a belt can he yeah see so easy honestly I'm not I'm going to get so much [ __ ] for this I'm not totally against spanking like I

Andrew Wilsonthink it's it's got to be age appropriate and it's got to be not yeah but why do you get to decide that not him because they're half mine and it is also my job to yeah but okay again I guess that's one example this would be Disobedience immediate it's like okay no

Andrew WilsonI think that it is the right age no I don't what if he wants to take I'll disobey yeah or yeah exactly so so you'll move into the kind of like disobedient Road and so th this is an

Andrew Wilsoneasy example uh schooling um extensions of of what types of things you'd want them to do for let's say you want them to play music or you want them to have uh these curriculums maybe you're disagreeing on those things ultimately

Andrew Wilsonsomebody's going to have to ultimately be the decider I think again but when I'm talking about disobedience specifically it's like no you don't get to beat your wife that's insane doesn't comport with reason right but you can

Andrew Wilsonuse shaming tactics and utilize the church to assist you in uh kind of moving moving and counseling the relationship the right direction this is actually uh it's below the threshold but

Andrew WilsonAlin Sam this is a great Super Chat you have a problem being submissive but demand chivalry and Breadwinners well that's what I was pointing out already right is that like you get to stay at

Andrew Wilsonhome you get all the perks of this uh but no I you know as long as as long as I keep getting what I want you do what I say well I just think it for for me personally it's circumstantial and I'm

Alissawilling to budge on a lot of things like I'm not probably as combative as maybe I'm making myself seem um but you're not just going to especially when it because

AlissaI have kids and they're my kids um so maybe my perspective on it is a little bit different than if we had a shared child um well but I'm willing to budge on a lot of things yeah maybe right but

Andrew Wilsonthat's not really the point so the point really isn't reduced to you know if I think that I should submit because it sounds reasonable I will uh that's

Andrew Wilsonbeside the point the point is supposed to be when it doesn't seem reasonable to you to submit that you will that's the point um you said something about the

Toria Brookewoman benefits I guess most if the man's the bread are providing and and yep um one thing I want to comment on is if the woman is providing homeschooling to the

Toria Brookechild let's just say it's that sort of a scenario because right now a lot of people have issues with the school system well then the man also is benefiting because that wife is capable of providing schooling for the child so

Andrew Wilsonthat they don't get indoctrinated in the school systems that could be to be the bare minimum the bare minimum of Duty and responsibility of a good mother is that if she is enabled by her husband hband to stay at home uh and homeschool

Andrew Wilsonher kids than she should that should be a duty that this is not when I see this idea it's like a top it's like somebody's spinning a top it makes no sense to me it's like look at this great thing I'm doing no this is a baseline

Andrew WilsonDuty it's a baseline Duty you know the public school's [ __ ] you know they're indoctrinating your kids you know they're doing horrible things to them right you know this it's like so you have a duty if you can to stay home and

Andrew Wilsonyou know homeschool your kids you have this this Duty I consider that to be a baseline I would not consider that to be something in addition that you're doing in the benefit of your own offspring agree but most women aren't doing it though let's just say he

Toria Brookemarries someone who isn't capable of doing that I would love to be able to homeschool my kids I think it's something that's necessary right now considering everything that's going on but I just think that it's unfair to say that only the woman's benefiting them

Andrew Wilsonfrom the man being the bread winner there's a dual benefit I'm saying only I'm never okay so I I don't usually deal in monoliths sometimes it because there are some all statements which are okay

Andrew Wilsonbut I don't usually deal in monoliths so uh it's not that there's only the benefit to the woman I'm saying the vast majority of the benefit is to the woman I just wanted to clarify that right the vast majority is to the woman and the

Andrew Wilsonability I think is a gift I think a man's given a woman a gift that she can be able to stay at home with her own kids because I got to tell you right now you're a single mom for instance I bet you wish you were be you were able to stay at home with your kids 100% And so

Andrew Wilsonlike that's a massive gift to give them but not enough to deal with um with actually submitting [ __ ] husband yeah but think about what you just said here right see that to me is that's also

Andrew Wilsonbizarre to me I don't understand that self-sacrifice for the purpose of your children I thought you were supposed to be the nurturing ones so yeah okay but my Situation's a little bit different but I I'm not saying you have to put up

Andrew Wilsonwith physical abuse things like that but the concession of just obedience for a great for a better life for your kids it just seems like it's such an easy thing to concede on and Z so many women are like I just I just I just couldn't

Alissapossibly I I just couldn't possibly do that but there are provider men who are happy to involve you in every discussion and like there be compromis is there always this idea that like because the

Alissaman ultimately decides that means a woman's never getting consulted right but for example like you talked about the spanking thing like that might be one thing that I take a stand on and he may be like okay on this one and that's

Andrew Wilsonokay it doesn't mean that men who like he's suddenly just because of that one instance where he didn't put his foot down no sure he can he can make a concession to a reasonable suggestion of course there's nothing wrong with that

Andrew Wilsonhas nothing again to do with the fact though that what if he didn't so it's not that okay you made a great point about spanking and he's like you know what that's a really good point and I think that we'll do that the question is

Andrew Wilsonwhat if he doesn't if he goes ah I know you think that's a great point but you're [ __ ] wrong and I'm going to do it anyway right that's where probably concede on a lot of other things that is

Andrew Wilsonnot one right so it's it's the idea of the concession with the obedience that like you still know better and so that's why these relationships I think break down I just do think there needs to be more emphasis placed on the value of a

Toria Brookestay-at-home mom who is successfully raising the kids and homeschooling because the amount of money you'd be spending on child care and education if they sent if you send them to a private school instead it's free what are you talking about if you send it to private

Andrew Wilsonschool no not a private school first of all talk about first of all public school schs right um you put them on a school bus if you're uh under the income threshold they get a free lunch they get

Andrew Wilsonfree breakfast in many of them uh they get free extracurricular activities you have to get them some backpacks and [ __ ] lowincome people almost everything is subsidized for them when it comes to schooling almost everything well public

Toria Brookeschooling isn't really free because your taxes are paying for it and you're costing them the rest their let let herish okay it's just a matter of what you Val more do you value having a wife

Toria Brookewho's going to be at home and be a stay-at home mom and homeschool them and give you that better education I just think there needs to be more emphasis placed on that because I knew growing up a lot of us didn't value those moms that were stay-at-home moms and that's a

Andrew Wilsonfallacy like most low income people first of all don't pay property taxes okay they may be affected by them but they don't pay them because they don't own property okay poor people don't own property they're not paying property taxes when the levies get passed they're

Andrew Wilsongetting passed by people who don't own property cuz they're out numbering the property owners okay that's one two all of the all of them if they're under the income threshold it's all free and the

Andrew Wilsonlunches are free everything is completely subsidized for them totally subsidized first five years of their life before they go to school cuz dayare is not free even if low and you're at

Alissahome at what are you homeschooling them to do at 5 watch Sesame Street what do you mean my kids are already well my oldest my three-year-old is already preschool ready because you do monory type homeschooling you

Alissaabely no it's not yeah what's preschool what do you mean yeah what are you learn to in preschool how to how how to lick glue my three-year-old knows all his letters and the the sounds of each he knows phonics he knows how to count he

Andrew Wilsonknows three-year-old can't read I no but he knows phonics he because he he probably watches a show where he he memorized a b c d e FG all day you're

Alissanot teaching a three-year-old massive skills am their entire do I not I literally l for them m i liter their room is a

Alissapreschool I yeah so and but that's not the point the point is the first 5 years you do have to pay for daycare and it is it costs more no not if you have a stay-at-home wife exactly that's the point she's making what's the point the

Alissabenefit and you're trying to say well well school's free it's not that's a gift to her she gets to stay home with them the first five years it's a gift to

Andrew Wilsonhim as well have to pay for daycare okay let's back up okay um do you think that if the roles could be reversed right

Andrew Wilsonlike let's say the average man okay a woman was like okay you know what I'm going to go and work my [ __ ] ass off every day so that you can stay home uh

Alissawith the kids do you think that that's a better or worse deal for them actual deal I would I would be happy like to do one or the other I don't I don't care which one I don't want to do both anymore um better worse

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