Feral Girl KICKED OUT Who Wants Brian KlLLED Like Charlie Kirk?! Feminism DEBATE! | Dating Talk #264

Date: 2025-10-13

Duration: 7h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

VV (Van/April)>

RRachel (Yoga)>

LLindsay (Med Device)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ailia Purr(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Van/April)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Claire(guest)

SPEAKER_05Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Olivia (VA)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Rachel (Yoga)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Tina(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lindsay (Med Device)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Janette(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

ControversyAilia admits to porn at 16 with fake ID

ControversyAilia red-carded: wouldn't be surprised if Brian got shot like Charlie Kirk

Key MomentBrian vs V: extended feminism definition debate (~80 min)

Key MomentRachel: married guitarist, divorced, married lead singer of same band

Key MomentV's ectopic pregnancy at 19 in drug rehab

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests. Ailia admits to porn at 16 with fake ID.

Ailia Ejection

Red-carded after Charlie Kirk death threat comment and underage porn admission.

Pasty George iPhone Gift

$2,000 donation for iPhone 17 Pro, unboxed on stream.

Feminism Definition Debate

Brian vs V: ~80 min debate on feminism, advocacy vs equality.

V Ectopic Pregnancy Story

Pregnant at 19 in rehab. Ex threatened to block her if she didn't abort.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswould have to spend on the date. It's about what does it mean for the future? In this case, if a woman's unwilling to do this thing that I think is complete, it's effortless, right? Um,

Brian Atlasyou know, if it's something that would make me happy, I have to call into question, what else is she going to fight me on? I know it's stupid. I know it's silly. I know it's

Brian Atlasculturally like kind of odd and peculiar or whatever, but if she fights me on this, I just I'm going to assume and maybe I'm assuming wrongly that she's going to

Janettefight me on other things. So, it's a temperature check really for how submissive she is. >> What does it mean to you to be bowed to? Like, does it mean love? Does it mean respect? Like, I feel like if you were

Janetteto define it to your spouse is this represents this to me. doesn't mean, you know, but I feel like your definition is very harsh as opposed to what his is. >> But but the thing with that is >> I don't want to have to even negotiate

Brian Atlaswith her on it. >> Like I want her to be like, "Yes, sir. Yes, Brian." >> Okay. >> Like there's because in the same way like >> you don't want to help her understand your point of view if for some reason

Brian Atlasthere's a dismat. I want her to just get it. In the same way that women don't want to like have a like imagine I I don't know if we brought this up on the show. If the guy

Brian Atlaswanted to have a conversation with you about paying for the first date. He's like hey um can we talk about this? Like let's negotiate this. Like tell me why you want me to pay for the first date. I

Brian Atlasfeel like a lot of women >> they wouldn't even entertain that. They would be like >> never mind about the date. >> That's a great point. they they wouldn't they wouldn't want to. And maybe he's open to hearing your perspective and

Brian Atlasmaybe he's open to hearing his mind changed, but the moment he questions having to adhere to his role or sorry uh the moment sorry the woman uh hears this

Brian Atlasquestioning of him having to adhere to his role. She I think a lot of women immediate ick. Oh, you want to negotiate that you have to pay for the date? Nope. Never mind. not interested in the date anymore.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, where does the bowing thing come from though? I'm kind of confused. Like it like is it like borrowed from like Asian culture? Cuz like >> No, not I mean, you know, look, the the bow hasn't just coalesed out of the

Brian Atlasether. Bowing has actually been used in um western cultures, for example, to kings, for example. Uh people do bow,

Rachel (Yoga)>> hey, look, y'all women want to be treated like queens. [ __ ] y'all. Princess treatment. >> Queen treat. He's a treat. I'm a queen. >> I'm a king. >> And by the way,

Brian Atlas>> massage, rub his feet. >> Yep. Massage his head. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> I don't get the bow. >> You know what's actually interesting

Brian Atlasthough is I I say this, but like the reality is um I'm not going to be bent out of shape if she honestly like rarely bows. I'm not going to be like, "What

Brian Atlasthe [ __ ] You missed your bow today." Get with the program. It's the willingness to do it upfront. And if she does it, I don't know, a couple times, honestly, could [ __ ] care less if she actually does it. Could care [ __ ]

Brian Atlasless. But it's just the temperature check in the same way that women have this temperature check when it comes to paying for the first date. >> And it's like, if the guy wants to Well, hold Explain to me why I should pay for

Brian Atlasthe first date. Oh my god, bro. The girl, it's over. She's gonna it's done with that guy. So I'm like

Brian Atlaswomen do this, men do this. Yeah. I don't know. Um also like I guess my confusion is I think it's wholesome.

Brian Atlas>> Like for examp I don't know maybe this is better. Um >> like would you cook for a man? >> Yeah. >> Would you clean after him?

ClaireWould you do his laundry? >> Maybe sometimes. >> I think it's just like different. Like I mean, if we can ask Rem, would you bow to him?

Brian Atlas>> Hell, no. I I wouldn't do that. >> You wouldn't do it? Would you bow?

Olivia (VA)>> Oh, well, you said no. That's fine. Uh, would you bow first? >> You were thinking about it. You might have her. >> Um, depends >> on what. >> I don't care. >> Um, >> you like the guy. you intention like

Clairelike you said if uh if it's just like a courtesy thing um it's not to be like >> well I'm asking to him cuz he's the only one you're the only guy I've ever heard be like oh my girl needs to bow to me like when I come home >> same for real

Brian Atlas>> so I don't think it's like an issue with other guys where it's like oh like >> Lindsay >> sure >> sure okay how about this for for the perfect man not just a guy you're

Claireattracted to not just a good man the perfect man would You bow. >> No, the perfect man wouldn't make me bow to him if I didn't want to.

Brian Atlas>> But hold on. But hold on. So this would be uh you have a magic lamp, a genie, and the genie says he'll grant to you, you get only well, the one you don't get

Brian Atlasto choose your wish. He's willing to do a trade. The genie says, "I'll give you the perfect man, but in order to for me to give you this wish, uh, you have to bow once per day or every time you see

Clairehim." >> Well, is it like is it like a white guy like you or is it like an insult? Like where it's like a cultural like bow like cuz like in Korean culture like you do in >> No, insaw. It's like insaw is like the

Brian Atlasword in Korean for like a like a respectful bow. >> Oh, I don't know what your >> is what like is it like a culture thing or is it just like a weird like just a weird white guy thing, but it's the genie that wants it.

Felicity>> I don't know. I don't think so. >> So, >> it's so easy. It's so easy for the perfect man. >> Perfect guy. Just I know you're young, but I mean, maybe you've already had some experience, right? Have you found the perfect guy yet?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> I'm going to tell you this. I'm not doubting that you'll find a good guy, but most of us are never going to find or get We might find our person. that

Brian Atlasperson won't be perfect, right? For the perfect man, think about think about how rare that might be. And also think about

Brian Atlaswell the the perfect man in my mind would he want me also, right? Um, so the perfect man that means everything you want when it comes to

Brian Atlaslooks, when personality, perfectly loyal, every every single characteristic that you could maximize, perfect. >> But you

Brian Atlas>> that man, first off, that man doesn't exist. It's a fantasy. Uh, we we will all well, actually, I shouldn't even we'll find our person, but that person

Janettewon't be perfect, right? So, for the perfect man, will you do that trade? >> Do I have to do every day? >> Uh, yes. Every day. >> Every day. >> Three sec. Oh my god. Three seconds every day. >> Does that really take anything away from

Rachel (Yoga)you? I just don't get it. >> Perfect man. Would you do it? >> I don't know. >> Maybe. Maybe. >> Perfect man. >> Can I be I'm going to be really cheesy. I think I am already with the perfect man.

Brian Atlas>> Does it? >> Uh, not around me. Okay. But I'm sure he does. He does around our daughter. >> Perfect man. Just no gastrointestinal issues. Okay. Perfect man. Would you hit a bow? >> Yes. >> Perfect man.

Janette>> Um, yes. >> Perfect man. >> I'd bark like a dog if I was really in love and it made him happy. I would like to genuinely. It's not that hard. If you're into this and I care about you, done.

Brian Atlas>> But that but that's like uh I I'm kind of giving this like the bow thing. Even if you know I was thinking like even if the the guy like his intentions behind it are like kind of weird.

Janette>> Are you serious? I mean >> like I almost feel like so do it anyways. >> He's not acting for he's not asking for like anal. I mean he's asking for he's asking for this. I mean it's really it's really nothing. I'll bow you right now. No.

Brian Atlas>> Hey, good point. >> Good point. But it uh but I mean the interesting thing with the bow also is I almost feel like it's kind of wholesome. Like

Brian Atlasmaybe a more relatable one is the first time a girl comes over to my house. I would like for her to do my laundry. >> Yeah. That's also >> Are you interesting? >> The first time >> First time she's at my house in a committed relationship.

Brian Atlas>> Serious or joking? >> I'm dead serious. >> Would you go through her phone the first time? >> Really? Have you really tested that submissiveness? What? I would I would go. >> But think about it, right? Like, okay, I know the feminist programming is like, whoa. Like,

Brian Atlas>> I'm not feminist at all, but I I see I see this game. I see this. >> Hold on. Well, hold on. I actually I mean, at least with the laundry, I you you could argue that like I'm actually

Brian Atlastangibly getting something. Like with the bow, you're like, "Wait, why what does the bow do?" But folding my laundry, like I >> have you even bought her dinner yet? It's at first time at his house. So, >> okay. So, well, you've already gone a

Brian Atlascouple dates and you're like, "Hey, do you mind throwing my laundry in for me?" >> Although, sometimes when it comes to dating, people are just like going over to each other's house right away. You know, you guys know what I'm talking about. >> I genuinely did laundry. But like, what's worse? Like,

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. >> Like, let's re the hookup culture. People will they won't even go on a date first. They might just come over or hook up pretty quickly. Like I feel like I'm kind of wholesome over here whereas like

Brian Atlasother people it's like okay this guy's just going to like >> oh god >> do all kinds of you know you guys are going to [ __ ] and he's going to blast in your face or whatever. >> Yeah. What's more offensive sex on the first date or laundry on the first date? Right.

Felicity>> I think I'm wash his load but you'll take his load. >> Like I almost would rather the girl like do my laundry. I would prefer that. Like

ClaireI would be like that's kind of dope. >> Have you found a girl that's willing to do your laundry and bow to you? I bet you have. >> What? >> Yes. But the thing is if a guy I if a >> if a girl really likes you

Brian Atlas>> on the first date, >> she'll Yes. Now maybe the feminine's programming, you know, but >> if she sees a future, yeah, >> I'm telling you, if the girl if if you're really into the guy, look, I know some of you whatever. I'm telling you,

Brian Atlasif a girl really [ __ ] with you, she really likes you, she'll do a lot more than fold your laundry. She'll do a lot more. >> Why don't you want to fold his laundry? >> I do a I'll do the laundry first time >> on the first date. No, first time at his

Brian Atlashouse. >> Well, question. Have you ever The first day you met a guy, have you ever let him deposit his semen into the back of your throat? >> No. No, I don't do head in the first

Brian Atlasmonth. >> Oh, okay. classy, virtuous woman. Okay. Has a man ever Okay. Has you have you ever let a man insert his fallace balls deep?

V (Van/April)>> Have you ever had a hookup? >> Yeah. Yeah. But like for That's like a We need extra That's like a hookup. That's like a >> But I'm I'm over here. It's wrong for me to want a woman to cook, to clean, to do

Janetteall these things. >> I didn't say that. >> You will chug chug rads. Wow, these words. >> Is this This is alcohol, Brian. Huh? >> Wait, that's good. That's good. >> Won't do his load, but you'll take his

Brian Atlasload. >> That's so [ __ ] good. >> That's another shirt. So funny. That's another shirt. >> A girl will take his load, but she won't do his load. >> That is a shirt. That is a shirt. That's a shirt. >> Did you make Did you come up with that? >> I said that like five minutes ago.

Janette>> It was a hat. It's a hat. That's a good one. He won't do his load, but you'll take. >> As a woman, you when you care about a guy or you really want to show him that like you have he has a future with you, I feel like it's natural for want you want to prove that you're a good

Felicitycaretaker. >> I think that naturally comes out. >> Why don't you want to take care of him? Like I just don't get it. Like >> no, not the first date. The first time you're at his house or like dating someone. So if you were dating someone like would you do their laundry? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Felicity>> Okay. >> Not the first time. >> Not the first time. What if he's like, "I just really need help." >> Well, then, okay. Yeah, I guess I would

Felicityif they like worded it. I'm so busy working, providing for you. I need help. I don't have the word cuz if it's like this is a requirement for you delivery, but

Olivia (VA)>> he means I will say something. So maybe this is also kind of because my view is kind of skewed, but like I enjoy doing laundry and like >> well also like um I know guys they just

Olivia (VA)kind of like ball things up and throw it like I have OCD so like for me to like >> see that like just bought up clothes on his for me like that's stressful like I don't mind like you got to fold your laundry kind

Brian Atlasof thing. >> Stress me out. >> But >> I don't know. I'm just trying to be wholesome Brian over here. It's like, you know, >> you just were talking about loads and backs throats. >> Wholesome my ass. >> Very so wholesome. Look, I just I don't

Brian Atlasknow. >> What's your body health? >> What's that have to do with that? I'm not revealing that. >> Well, you never I'm a virgin. I'm a virgin. >> Are you joking? >> What do you think? >> He's married.

Rachel (Yoga)>> Oh, you're married? >> Oh my god. I'm not married. I'm >> trying to help you out here. Will you accept >> one bow one time? >> It's got to be a hundred cuz you're not telling us.

Rachel (Yoga)>> One bow one time. >> Would I accept it? >> No. If I say I'll do it one time, >> would you take a >> I'll do I'll do that >> to your >> Sure. >> boyfriend or sorry, your husband.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> Yeah. >> Wow. She went from absolutely not to >> This is a huge win. >> Yeah. W for me, I guess. W

Brian Atlas>> I do it as a joke. >> Me, boy. >> Grats me. Grats me. Um, I don't know. I look, I think that, uh,

Brian AtlasI know it's kind of like out there. It's a little eccentric, whatever. It's a weird cultural ask, especially from a pale white guy. But, uh, it's a

Brian Atlastemperature check. Temperature check. And I mean, I don't know. Um, I think um

Brian AtlasOh, here's a good one. Uh, also I do think women should also um sometimes, you know, I'm nice though. Like I have a really good laundry

Brian Atlasmachine, you know, I've contemplated buying like uh what are those things called? the the

Brian Atlasthe clothes uh washboard like a hundred years ago. I want the woman to come washboard. >> You know the washboards where they were like dragging. Okay, >> I've done that. >> Yeah. >> Um

Brian Atlas>> uh >> oh. Who question this is a good one. >> Who here is like pursu wants to pursue a career? >> Like you want to be a lawyer? I think you said career. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Career. >> I have a career. >> Career. What's that? I have a career. >> You have a You have a career >> for the perfect man instead of the bow for the perfect man. This I think this

Brian Atlasis more realistic. Perfect man. And he's wealthy enough to fully cover. But in order to be with him, he says, "I

Brian Atlaswant you to stop working and I want you to take care of the household and take care of the kids. For the perfect man, do you give up your career?" No, that's like giving up on myself cuz I have like

V (Van/April)>> stripping. >> No, music and audio engineering. I like >> Yes. For the perfect man, do you give up your career? >> No. >> What if you can do it as a hobby but you

Brian Atlascan never like do it career-wise? >> No, that's giving up on myself and that's not fair. >> Perfect man though. >> No, >> never have to work another day in your

V (Van/April)life. Won't give up your career. >> Not me. I mean, obviously I'd give up stripping any day, but like music, no. >> But you can have it as a hobby, >> but that's not like >> I would love that.

Claire>> That's not my dreams, you know? >> Uh, what about you? >> Perfect man. Do you give up your career? >> It depends how far into my career I am. If I'm like, if I'm like just beginning and I finally like, you know, get like get past law school, pass the bar exam,

Claireand he's like, "Now you have to just quit it all right now and then you can be with me." I wouldn't want to do that cuz like I already worked really hard and like I would want, you know, I wouldn't want to give up on myself either. That makes sense. Law school stuff.

Claire>> Yeah. >> Um, so you're But if you were, I don't know, like three years into your career. >> No, I would I would want to get further in my career just like just for just cuz

ClaireI just would want that for myself. Like I would I wouldn't want to quit right away. >> What kind of law did you say you wanted to practice? >> I don't know yet. I feel like lawyers are like super stressed out.

Claire>> I know. I know. And like eventually Yeah. If I was like if I was like well into my oh sorry to my career and I was like done then yeah I would want somebody to do that for me. But if it's like I'm just

Brian Atlas>> but when you're done with your career so like at 60 then then you can give up your career. But like the the idea >> maybe like a couple years into cuz then I could say I did it you know and then there's nothing.

Brian Atlas>> How about no you don't get you don't get to pick and choose. Oh, >> it's at the most inconvenient time for you to end your career. The most inconvenient. So, I don't know when that is, but >> perfect man.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> And he perfect man, loyal, best looking, everything. >> Why is he like Why does he like want me to stop working? >> Because he wants Do you want kids?

Brian Atlas>> Maybe. >> Because he wants he wants uh he wants kids. And I mean this could even apply even if you don't want kids. This could even apply to he doesn't want kids, you don't want kids. He's like, "You know

Janettewhat? Don't work. I just want you to >> be around all the time. Go everywhere with me." >> That's usually the main reason that wealthy men want you not to work is so you're available whenever they want you. >> Yep. Perfect.

Brian Atlas>> What does she do while he's working? >> Go shopping, work out, go out with your girlfriends. I mean, enjoy life. >> Let's say he's he doesn't work. He's just rich.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Retired. >> So that could be I mean I think perhaps that would be a great argument for what a perfect man is. He's so wealthy he doesn't have to work. He He's not

Brian Atlasstressed with his work. He can give you time. He's there. He's if you have kids, he's co-parenting with you. But he wants you there also to take care of the kids,

Brian Atlastake care of him, take care of the household. But you can't work. I would want to work. >> Even if you were married uh or dating or married to a billionaire, would you

Lindsay (Med Device)still want to work? >> I mean, I don't know. It just depends. Like, why >> when you're 18 though, your mindset's a little bit different?

Janette>> It's easy to say that now. >> Why? Cuz she I mean, she's you're a barista. You've worked, right? Is >> But she doesn't have a kid yet. She hasn't been in a long-term relationship. She's not been with a manager super

Brian Atlaswealthy. that's given you the option. >> If you are like that, please DM me >> if you're a billionaire that if you want me to just stay at home and >> Well, I mean, it's just the feminist it's the feminist programming. This idea

Brian Atlasthat career should be exalted above all else when I don't know. Um, >> the only the only fear though is if it

Brian Atlasends and you're [ __ ] But in this hypothetical scenario, if we're if we're talking about a perfect man, the entailment there is never cheats, never abuses, loyal, stays with you forever.

V (Van/April)>> Realistically, I >> sure I know it's the hypothetical. >> Realistically, a billionaire is not going to want to marry any of us. So, >> would you do that for a woman? >> Do what? >> Like, would you give this podcast up for

Brian Atlasthe perfect woman? >> Absolutely. Heartbeat. >> Heartbeat. And I'm a man. I'm a man. that does doesn't coincide typically with the traditional male gender role. >> Well, this >> instantly

Brian Atlas>> was this your dream or what was your dream as a kid? >> Like that's a good question as a kid. Well, hold on. But this is unfair because the reality the reality of life,

Brian Atlas99% of people are not going to have their dream job. They're not going to have some like super illustrious career. Most people are going to slave away some

Brian Atlaspeople like kind of shitty job and they're going to do that because they realize they have bills to pay. They have responsibilities to themselves, to their children, to their family. >> It's really rare to get to do exactly

Brian Atlaswhat you want. And even if you do get to do what you want, there's still there's still uh stress and complications attached to almost any kind of work you do, >> of course. >> But what was your dream like? Did you think you were going to get into

Brian Atlasentertainment. >> When I was when I was like I don't know >> two and a half hours of no >> seven seven I was like saying uh >> I don't know I'm going to be a magician or some [ __ ] >> you're kind of a magician now >> how

V (Van/April)>> um >> you're not but um >> you're a podcast creator. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh so what's your question? um

Brian Atlas>> for the perfect woman. But okay, so when somebody tells me perfect woman, I think, okay, uh lookswise, exactly what I'd want. Um personality, exactly what I

Brian Atlaswant. And if we're bringing in a financial comp component here, like billionaire. So in my mind, and I just have to give up my dream.

Brian AtlasLet's say uh I have to give up my dream job. Say this isn't my dream job. And truthfully, like My dream job would maybe be like super

Brian Atlasfamous like best ever musician, best ever athlete. Um, >> can you sing? >> Yeah. >> No, actually I think I got pipes a little bit but >> Oo duet.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But and like I could still I don't know pursue those things as hobbies or whatever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I give up the career 100%. Even

Brian Atlasthe dream job, even even if I'm a professional athlete, even if I'm uh professional musician, top tier musician for the perfect woman, give that [ __ ]

Brian Atlasup. Cuz I think who you marry, who you spend the rest of your life with is probably one of the most important decisions you'll ever make. You marry the wrong person. Could perma [ __ ] you for entire for your entire life. Could

Brian Atlasbe a massive mistake. And I again, my position is perfect doesn't exist. We're never going to get I know some of you want to do the virtue signal. Oh my

Brian Atlasgod, my person's perfect. Eh, you guys [ __ ] argue and d and there's conflict and and you know they're not as tall or you know they start balding or they gain

Brian Atlasweight or you know whatever it is. The perfect person doesn't exist. In my case, perfect person, perfect looks, perfect p personality and she's a

Brian Atlasbillionaire. Yeah, give me the trade. Absolutely. Give it up in an instant. >> I get what you mean, though.

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SPEAKER_01question when a lot of them expect men to remember their anniversary or similar and to do something special or nice for it every year. >> Oh, that Valentine's, all the other gestures. Me and my husband have forgot

Brian Atlasour anniversary multiple times. >> Both have I don't like. >> Did we finish on the like uh career over Did you give up your career for The Perfect Man? >> I think everyone should >> Did we go around the table on that?

Rachel (Yoga)>> Yeah. >> Um answers. >> I I don't think I could because I already have my dream job and I can still stay home with my kids while

Brian Atlashaving my dream job. >> What's your job? I own a yoga studio. >> Well, when you're teaching a Pilates class, is it at your house? >> I teach yoga. I don't teach Pilates.

Rachel (Yoga)>> Or sorry. Well, okay, whatever. Yoga. Um, you're not with your kids. I assume when you're teaching a class, right? >> In the morning, I teach before they're awake and then I come home and take my daughter to school and then I teach on

Brian AtlasSunday. >> So, if your husband own it and I do it from home, >> let's do it like this. Your husband uh becomes a billionaire overnight. Um, but in order for you to stay with him, he says, "I want you to stop teaching yoga

Rachel (Yoga)classes." >> But it's not >> I don't care. >> But it's not just I'm teaching yoga. >> I live like this whole yoga lifestyle and the number of people who have come

Rachel (Yoga)to me and said my studio changed their life or they have all these things. So now I can't help people with this practice either. >> Uh, I guess. Yeah. If How about this? I

Brian Atlasdon't know if it's great to use the husband as an example. If you were to become single again and this next perfect guy comes along, uh, would you give that up for the perfect man? >> Yes or no? Just

Olivia (VA)>> probably no. >> What about you in the mic? >> Yes. Um, if I can still do it as like a hobby. Yeah. >> What's your career? Um,

Olivia (VA)so I kind of want to go and get my masters back in like exercise and physiology. So it' be like >> So you're like a personal trainer or >> I coach? Yeah. >> Okay. So no, you can't do it.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Yeah. Perfect, man. Do you take the trade? >> Um, I guess. Yeah, I would. >> Do you take the trade, Lindsay? I I'm confu I'm so confused by this

Brian Atlasbecause even as a man where like there is a traditional gender role expectation that men like work have careers etc etc even in my position I'm instantly taking like the billionaire perfect man hello

Brian Atlasalso what I don't understand is um question for you uh you're going to become a lawyer one day let's I don't know do you think you'll make like $200,000 at some point in your career

Brian Atlas>> okay question for you though uh somebody comes to you and they say uh you know maybe you make a h 100,000 200,000 300,000 as an attorney throughout the course of your career somebody comes to

Brian Atlasyou and says and this job offer will never go away I will pay you a million dollars to be a barista

Brian AtlasI know that sounds silly why would anybody pay but for some reason in this hypothetical they're going to pay you a million dollars to be a barista you know that this is more than you will ever earn as being a lawyer and You might say, "Well, I'm going to be mergers and

Brian Atlasacquisition lawyer. I'm going to make that much." Okay, we can bump it to they pay you 10 million to be a barista. Uh maybe some like 0001% of lawyers might make that much or something if they're

Brian Atlaspartners and own their own law firm. Do you trade? So, you have to but you you can't you know you can't be a lawyer. You got to be a barista $10 million a year or do you be a lawyer and

Claireget paid 10020 $300,000 a year? >> I'd be a barista. I think it's fun. Uh, okay. That's interesting though. So,

Brian Atlas>> well, if I'm already lawyer, it's like, >> well, no, you give up like today, >> right here on this podcast, you have to give up your education. You have to give up I mean, you can still go to frat

Brian Atlasparties or whatever. Um, you have to give up your education. >> Can't go and work, you know. Well, I guess you couldn't become a lawyer unless you got the education. Give up your education. Today, you start working as a barista. you make 10 10 million

Claire>> a year >> because it's not like I've already like invested so much into my school like and I've invested like probably three weeks so far. >> Well, okay. Uh >> oh. And you're after you graduate then

Claire>> $10 million. >> Have I gone through law school? Have I paid for law school and for everything and like like study for the LSAT and pass? >> Sure. Um, >> but one time offer. >> Is this hypothetical just to make me say

Brian Atlaslike I don't want to work as a lawyer anymore? >> No, I'm just trying to see if you do the trade-off of stopping your career to make $10 million um >> as a >> year a year as a barista,

Brian Atlas>> you know. I guess so. >> So, there's a price. >> Well, my confusion here though is the entailment of being with the perfect man who happens to be a billionaire. That's more than $10 million per year. So I'm

Claireconfused by won't give up career. >> Well, because it's my money, too. Like it's like I wouldn't be like financially. >> So the perfect guy though, loyal, will

Brian Atlasnever abuse you, treats you perfectly, never leaves you. If he's a billionaire, that that money you go, you go to your husband. If he's the perfect guy, you go

Claireto your husband. Hey babe, I need a 100 mil. Sure babe, here you go. Spend that [ __ ] on whatever you want. How does he >> You won't do that. >> Huh? >> How does he get his money? I don't know. I'm just asking. >> It's a hypothetical world. >> He uh crypto

Brian Atlas>> cartel. >> Okay. >> Money isn't always happiness though. >> But but that's my confusion with this unwillingness. Like if we frame it differently, like you'll give up on your

Brian Atlascareer and you still have to work as a barista. Uh and let's say the rule is you can't just be like, "Oh well, I made 10 million. I'm good to live off 10." You have to be a barista for the rest of your life,

Clairebut you get 10 million a year. >> You can offer the perfect spouse >> that's also a billionaire. >> So, I I'm the I'm the billionaire barista with the billionaire husband or my own. >> It's one or the other. Well, it's a different scenario.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I'm getting confused with these scenarios. Well, you said you would not give up your career for the perfect man >> and that means you never have to work

Brian Atlasand he would just his money is your money basically. Uh I mean you shouldn't bankrupt the guy although it's really hard to bankrupt

Clairelike a billionaire or whatever. Um but you would give it up and work until you're 60 as a barista. I think I'm just too stubborn cuz I want it to know that it's like my own merit and money, not

Clairejust like >> But I mean, this is like a magic genie. Baristas don't make 10 million. >> I think I'm just too stubborn. And I and I appreciate my independence. >> All right. >> You should ask her again in 20 years. >> We'll check in. We'll check in. You

Brian Atlasknow, the thing is though, when it comes to career, >> I don't think even for men, but especially for women, that career is going to be the ultimate fulfillment in life.

Brian Atlas>> I don't think so either. lawyers. The the alcoholism rate in lawyers is very high. Burnout super high. A lot of lawyers end up not doing super glamorous

Brian Atlasstuff. Overworked, super stressed, just like really uh mustardy. What's that scene from Wolf of Wall Street? Just like just like

Brian Atlas>> addiction. uh paper like paper just looking at reviewing [ __ ] documents and discovery and just like >> mustardy you know >> I remember that from Wolf of Wall Street and I've seen that movie

Brian Atlas>> Matthew McConna he's like >> I think it's called masturbation >> Matthew McConey >> Matthew McConey is talking about >> numbers numbers it's you know really up in the brain mustardy [ __ ] you need to

Janettecome I'm butchering it but you need you need to masturbate >> yeah that's what he said you need to pump those numbers up Seven times a day. >> Yep.

SPEAKER_01>> Hasty George donated $70. When I was a little boy, my dream was to become a policeman. >> But that dream was destroyed when two cops gave me a Starlight tour during winter. Damn. >> Luckily for me, there was no wind that

Brian Atlasnight. >> I don't know that. My understanding is it's this Canadian law enforcement phenomenon >> where and they target I guess they

Brian Atlastarget like indigenous n uh Native Americans tribal people and they'll like during the winter they'll they'll give them a ride to like the [ __ ] [ __ ]

Brian Atlasforest and dump them. >> Oh, >> what the [ __ ] >> Did that actually did that happen to you, Pacy? That's [ __ ] up, dude. So Pacy's not Pacy. >> That was a good Nice.

Brian Atlas>> He's uh >> Hold on. >> Pasty. >> Do you want to I You're got >> Should I get you linked up with Pasty? >> You're good. Well, you don't like Pasty? >> I don't know Pasty. >> He's got like a million casinos.

Janette>> Don't care. >> You don't like Why don't you like Pasty? >> I don't I don't put words in my mouth, sir. I don't know pasty. That's all I say. >> Matchmaker. >> Are you? Yeah. What What's your type? >> What's my type?

Brian Atlas>> Do you like sexy Canadians? >> I I've never met a sexy Canadian. >> You've never met >> Actually, you know what? I take that back. My first kiss was from Wasau, British Columbia. >> Oh [ __ ] Hey Pasty, what's up? Tell me if you want me to link it up. >> I Canadian.

Brian Atlas>> I'm a m What's >> I was born in Toronto. >> Oh [ __ ] Really? >> Yeah. Toronto's cool. >> They have a huge gay pride parade. Unfortunately, >> finishing up with your notes. I We're going to get this wrapped up soon, guys. I know it's getting a little late. >> I have to go.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. We're back. Just wait. Just wait. >> I got threehour drive. >> I got you. I got you. Um Okay. Um so I'll try to move through these super

Brian Atlasquick. Trust me, guys. I got you. Uh you don't love the way, and I don't do this every show, but tonight I was a little feisty tonight.

Brian AtlasI'm going to admit. You don't love the way he yells at the girls to shut the [ __ ] up. Could be a little more respectful. Now, look, I've been a little snappy tonight. Maybe it was

Brian Atlasbecause I someone wished death upon me. I don't know. But um >> I don't think you were that >> I actually think you were really sleep for 3 days before I came here. I literally thought that you were going to

Janettebe very gnarly. >> I thought you were really horrified. >> There was one moment when I was a little snappy with her and you were like >> that wasn't my That's not why I was doing I just I thought there was a lack of comprehension. No, I just lack of

Janettecomprehension. >> Oh yeah. No, I mean, look, I sometimes I can be a little snappy and >> I used to be afraid of you. >> Who's the Who's the other guy that calls in? Yeah, he's brutal. >> Yeah.

Janette>> Yeah, that's an unforgiving human being. He's brilliant, but my goodness, >> he's uh I don't think he's that he matches energy. >> I won't I won't Yeah, you're right. The

Brian Atlasgirls Yeah. Yeah. >> Look, look, >> nobody's perfect. Sometimes we, you know, say things we regret or whatever. I will say in defense of Andrew, um,

Felicitynobody's perfect, but many many times he's matching energy. >> I I don't his wife is scary, though. I don't want to get on his side. >> By the way, Rachel, who's his wife? >> She's I shouldn't say worse than Andrew.

FelicityBut she's brutal. >> She's nice. It's just you don't want to. >> By the way, I love I love Rachel. I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. >> She's married to Andrew. She's been well trained, right? Jeez. >> But but you lady once off.

Brian Atlas>> I'll say at least for me >> there's definitely times where I'm just >> I've not matched energy. Like I was just a dick, right? And I can acknowledge that. >> I would say I would say majority of the

Brian Atlastime majority of the time acknowledging that sometimes I was kind of like a little rude when I shouldn't have been. A lot of times I'm I'm gonna match somebody's energy. Like if they're being

Brian Atlasreasonable, I'll try to be reasonable. But also sometimes I get frustrated, but I think the time I said STFU

Brian Atlaswas, and I've said it maybe a handful of times, they were not shutting the [ __ ] up. I feel like it was warranted. They didn't shut the [ __ ] up. They were interrupting, you know. Can I ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion? >> Shut up. Yeah, for sure. >> A little, you know, >> he's going to ask you to bow. He's going to ask you to bow. >> Um, can I ask you a question? Have you ever told someone to shut the [ __ ] up? >> Um, ever?

Rachel (Yoga)>> Um, like maybe me and my brother joking at each other, but not like a serious one. >> Not serious. Have you ever told someone to shut up? Like seriously?

Brian Atlas>> I not that I can remember. Okay. >> Maybe like when I was 15. I don't know. >> But you have you ever like ever um raised your voice? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. And sometimes people have moments of frustration.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> And maybe they say say something in a way they didn't like it or said a specific thing that >> um in my case I've done nearly 300 episodes, thousands of hours of

Brian Atlasconversation. Look, I'm not I'm not a choir boy. Like I sometimes I get frustrated. Sometimes I can my words can

Brian Atlasbe a bit harsh. I'm not uh I definitely am not claiming that I'm perfect, but um I think maybe three times, >> maybe four. I've told someone to shut the [ __ ] up.

Rachel (Yoga)>> I think there was one time I felt uncomfortable through my phone watching it happen >> cuz the girls >> got very uncomfortable. I was like, >> "Oh, >> this is really >> You know, look, you're having

SPEAKER_01conversations. >> Hasn't made me stop watching it." >> Yeah, here you are. This is a pressure cooker environment though. It's hot. It's donated $96. >> Generally speaking, of course, most men

SPEAKER_01will sacrifice happiness for their family while women consistently sacrifice family for their pursuit of happiness. >> Interesting. >> Look, my

Brian Atlas>> I'm just saying I don't think even for men that the ultimate fulfillment in life will come from a career. I think it's going to be family. I think it's going

Brian Atlasto be kids. I think it's going to h be having a bunch of grandkids all running around. I think that's much more fulfillment than just being some n

Brian Atlasnameless cog in the machine for some corporation. Most people won't have their dream job. They're going to be some [ __ ] HR department person

Brian Atlaspolicing some [ __ ] They're going to be project managers doing [ __ ] all. They're going to be uh pushing paperwork for the partners of a law firm. And look, you might be, you seem smart. You might be super successful and who knows

Brian Atlaswhat life has in store. But even if you do have like that super high octane, amazing lawyer career and you're [ __ ]

Brian Atlasdoing some trial [ __ ] and you're like, "Lawyer [ __ ] you up in the in the lawsuit. I deposed your ass, [ __ ] Like you're just, you know, you're [ __ ] Do people dab still? I don't know. That

Brian Atlasshit's old. I don't know. You're just You're just [ __ ] >> I don't know. You're just killing it as a lawyer, you know? You're just lawsuit win. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Dunking dunking on these scrubs, yo. Dunking on these scrubs. Win after win. >> I don't know. When you imitate anyone,

Brian Atlasyou always go into this [ __ ] mode like >> That's right. Um I don't know. I'm just saying you can't bring your money with you when you die.

Brian AtlasAll the success in the world, everything. I don't know if it means anything. Like I don't know. I don't think work is the ultimate fulfillment. Um okay, we have chats coming through. We're going

SPEAKER_01to finish up the notes. Pasty George. >> Pasty George donated $70. [ __ ] dude. >> It happened to me when I was 11 years old. I was picked up in the evening while heading home from a friend's

SPEAKER_01house. The cops laughed as they dumped me miles from home on a dirt road in the woods. >> That's awful. >> I'm sorry.

Janette>> Where in Canada is Pasty? How far north is Is he Is he like up up there? >> I'm not sure. I'm just curious like is

Brian Atlasit like in the super indigenous area or >> um I'm not sure. >> Uh okay. You said you disagree with basically everything Andrew Wilson says. He's not here. You think he's you call

Brian Atlashim a hypocrite. You know what? I'll save your disagreements for Andrew if if we ever have you back. We might have him in soon. Um but um you you have issues with him doing

Rachel (Yoga)shots, smoking and cursing. I only because >> Smoky Man bad >> only because he's so Christian and so religious and then it just seems like a contradiction to itself. >> Sure. Well, I mean I'm not

Brian Atlas>> within sure >> the way I grew up >> my religion was not like that like >> Yeah. I mean, I'm not the best person to ask this, but my understanding is I

Brian Atlasdon't think that there's a contravention of like I don't think like smoking is like maybe you shouldn't

Brian Atlasdo it right, but I don't know if it like puts you at odds with Christianity. But I'm not the per I don't know. Uh as far as far as drinking goes, perhaps you

Brian Atlasshouldn't like do like get super shitfaced drunk or whatever, but even then maybe it's okay. But I I mean, isn't the blood of Christ isn't it wine or something? >> Yeah, technically it's wine, but it's not. I mean, you're supposed to be

Janettedrinking the blood of Christ. >> Wait into the mic. >> Blood of Christ. I mean, at that point, you're supposed to be treating it as if it's the blood of Christ, but yes, it's watered down wine. >> Yeah. But I I don't think like drinking, for example, means you're not Christian. >> No, no,

Rachel (Yoga)>> no. That's more >> I Well, I grew up Mormon. That's a Mormon >> word of wisdom. And >> we can debate whether or not Mormons are Christian. I think they're Christian,

Brian Atlasbut >> within our religion, it was like, I don't drink. I don't smoke. And I have >> all these. >> Well, he he's orthodox, so I don't know if it differs there, but

Brian Atlas>> yeah, I'm not I'm not an expert on like what you can or can't do as it relates to like drinking, cursing, drinking as a Christian, but uh final thing from you. You you said you think Andrew's views on

Brian Atlassubmission is gross. >> Yes, I do. >> Um, some of this stuff. Uh, you know what? Maybe we'll save it if you ever have a condo with we already got into some of the submission talk with the bow. So, I

Brian Atlasfeel like we covered that. Ailia. Affilia did her stuff. Lady Jay. Oh my. Finally. >> My favorite. >> Oh, why am I your favorite now? >> Oh, I don't know. I'm just saying that

Brian Atlasdisregard. >> Cuz I vowed. See? Uh, let's see. You've got endless dating, excuse me, endless dating stories. You've dated pro aletes. >> I did. Yeah. >> NFL.

Janette>> I I >> You don't have to say who. Just NFL. >> Oh, no. NHL. >> Hockey. >> Mhm. >> Uh, baseball. >> I mean, I dealt with a lot of them. I never dated a baseball player. >> Basketball? NBA? >> Nope.

Janette>> So, mostly hockey guys. Um, >> hey, you would be a good match for for uh Pasty, Canadian. You know, >> I I did briefly date an NFL player as well a long time ago. It was brief.

Brian Atlas>> You know what? Here's the crazy thing, right? Pasty um you know, he never made it to the majors, but like he was honestly he was so close, but he got like an injury. >> So, he was like a >> Was it from Walking Back in the Woods when he was 11?

Janette>> He played college um hockey. Yeah. >> Like he was a [ __ ] allstar. Like they scouted him. And um >> my ex-husband was supposed to be first round like first draft pick but your only draft is Yeah. is 18 and he missed it.

Janette>> He was Yeah. So Pasty he unfortunately had like a >> You're really selling Py right now. >> No, he had an injury and like But if you like hockey players like he's your guy. >> I'm actually not a fan of any sort of professional athlete. I just I happen to

Janettehave some stories. I worked with them for years so I have a lot of stories about them. >> Celebs. >> Have I dated any >> famous actor? Um, I'm again I worked with a ton of them. I never chose to

Janettesleep with any of them. No. >> Oh. Uh, musicians. >> Um, flirting and talking and then turned down the trip. >> Okay. You said you dated criminals, too. >> I Yeah. >> Yeah. Tell us about that really quick.

Brian Atlas>> Um, that's the one I'm dealing with >> currently. >> Oh, your husband. >> What? Drugs. >> Uh, what? >> Drugs? >> No. I mean, no. >> Pablo Escobar. >> No. No. >> Cocaine? >> Nope. Okay. >> No. No. Hell no. No. No. No.

Brian Atlas>> No. Meth. >> No. What? What? >> Walter White. Breaking Bad. >> He got cancer. >> Anyways, >> he had to support you, so he started a meth business.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, my cancer. Yeah. Yeah, that's why. >> There you go. Um, okay. You disagree with the girls appearing on the show. >> Typically, yeah, I mean, I'm a pretty conservative young lady. >> You once dated a very well-known fitness influencer. Looked nothing like his

Brian Atlasonline persona. >> Oh, this is a fun one. Um, >> this one got brutal. >> You said he had a roommate, no money, but he presented himself as wealthy, successful businessman, >> multi-millionaire. Yeah.

Janette>> Spent all day in your office. >> Came to my home and stayed with me in my I had 5,000 foot house and he would spend all day in my office literally arguing with people on Instagram. >> Okay.

Janette>> Um, then he had a toothache and he's like, "I need to go to the dentist." And I'm like, "Well, you're a multi-millionaire, but I'll pay for your dentist." And then I wake up in the middle of night and he's jerking off furiously and >> furiously.

Janette>> And I go, "What the hell?" And he's like, "It helps my tooth ache." >> And I, no joke, literally >> disgusting. >> And uh the next morning I'm like, "You need to get out of my house. It's time for you to leave." Cuz we were not having intercourse.

Janette>> Oh. >> Uh cuz he had a toothache. Um so then he he attempted to extort me for thousands and thousands of dollars. >> Wow. And um he's now we're waiting for his uh final judgment.

Janette>> Yeah. I had to >> Wow. [ __ ] That's [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, it was fun. >> So, he got charged with like a >> I had Well, he he came after when I asked him to leave my house, he came after me with all these fake phone numbers and harassments and he was a

Janettevery large scary person and and I have a recording of it all. But um I had to go file a restraining order and then once I submitted all the the proof of what was happening uh the five district attorneys

Janettedecided to press charges with the state of California. >> Yeah. >> What what were the crimes like? >> It was attempted extortion, revenge porn, harassment. >> Oh yikes. >> Yeah, it was pretty >> felonies, right?

Janette>> Yeah. I think it's going to get reduced unfortunately. It's really it's taken six years for them to build this whole case. So it's been a long time. >> All right. And then we have uh we have

Brian AtlasLindsay and then we have V. Then we're done. Okay, we'll be quick. Lindsay. Uh hold on.

Brian AtlasYou want me to Men who are passionate obsessed with crystals, stones? >> Oh no. >> Chakra astrology give you the ick. Really? I feel like most women are kind of Well, not sorry, not most women, but

Brian AtlasI feel like it's kind of the reverse. Like guys get the ick. I'm not into like guys that >> like spiritual dudes. Okay, that's kind of based >> that's based in red build. >> You're a legend, Lindsay. >> I don't want your man to be into that. >> I know.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> I have crystals here. >> In a weird shape, too. >> And I almost include a cat in there, but then I realized you're a cat dad now. So, >> see, it's all making sense. >> I like guys that like cats, though.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> But somebody did put something in there or in in perspective for me. They're like, "Men who get cats are actually more responsible because they know that cats don't need the same attention as

Brian Atlasdogs." And I was like, >> "Oh, okay. Touche, >> interesting." Okay. >> Uh, let's see here. You said that there's a growing amount of fem men in

Brian Atlastoday's society. Huge issue along with morally disgraceful women. Uh, California men. You, you know, you you've been living here. You grew up. Oh, wait. Hold on. You say, oh, sorry.

Brian AtlasYou say men who grew up outside of California tend to be more masculine versus California guys. Uh, okay. And then trying to see.

Brian AtlasUh, >> I don't anything cool. >> You hear you don't Should I skip it? You want >> I don't care. Doesn't make a difference to me.

Brian Atlas>> The fi I guess the final thing for you then is see it was quick guys. Uh, my girlfriend hated that. Um, sorry, that was a really bad joke. Hold on. Oh,

Brian Atlaswait. Whoops. Okay, never mind. >> Girlfriend hated that. >> Never mind. You had to be there. Uh, okay. Exgirlfriend. Uh, here several people constantly say they know they

Brian Atlasdeserve the best and want to be treated like royalty. So, like princess or queen [ __ ] Yet, they are the same exact woman who brings chaos to a relationship. You want to elaborate on that or?

Lindsay (Med Device)>> Well, yeah. I think it's I just I cannot stand when I hear a girl. I mean, I would say mostly females

Lindsay (Med Device)and in the sense of I know what I deserve and I'm going to get it and I'm a queen or I deserve to be treated like this and yet they are

Brian Atlas>> a [ __ ] disaster. I don't know what else to put it. Uh, final thing for you. Should just be a few minutes here, then we'll do like a brief roast, I guess. >> Oh god. >> Brief roast. Brief roast. >> A brief roast.

Brian Atlas>> They send in roast messages. It'll be 5 10 minutes. Um, >> tell us the story. You got pregnant when you were 19 and you found out in rehab.

V (Van/April)Tell us the story. >> Oh god. Okay. So, I was I had my first boyfriend when I was like 18 and we did

V (Van/April)it for like half a year or so. I don't even know. But I only did girls for not like only I still love girls. But, um, >> let me just interrupt you very briefly just to get the roast session going.

Brian AtlasWe're going to do $30 TTS, $29.99. Uh, $29.99. You guys can start getting them in. Try to get them in quick if you can. $30 roast. $30 roast. final portion of the show here. Didn't mean to. Sorry

V (Van/April)to interrupt you. Please go ahead. >> It's okay. Um, yeah, I had like two girlfriends before that, but he was my first like serious relationship, I'd say. And, um, yeah, we broke up and I

V (Van/April)moved across the country a week later and went to rehab to get sober for well, it was like my first attempt at sobriety when >> Is still going?

V (Van/April)>> Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. My computer was tripping out. I didn't mean Go ahead. Sorry. >> Uh it was my first attempt at sobriety and uh I found out I was pregnant in

V (Van/April)rehab and it was a whole argument. He like really wanted me to abort the kid and I didn't want to because I had the

V (Van/April)finances and like support for it and I ended up having an ectopic pregnancy and he blocked me and never spoke to me again because I didn't willingly abort

Brian Atlasthe kid. Um, >> okay. >> Yeah, I was like, >> but aren't you pro abortion or pro-choice or whatever? >> What the [ __ ] is pro? I'm pro-choice.

V (Van/April)>> Okay, pro-choice. >> But it doesn't mean that like, you know, that doesn't mean all >> How old were you by that? You said you were 18. >> Well, I was 18 when I first started dating him, but 19 when I got pregnant.

V (Van/April)>> But so what I guess what's the criticism? that he broke up with you because you didn't want to have the abortion. >> No, he just never Well, we were already broken up, but he never wanted to speak to me again. >> Well, you guys were broken up, so what's the problem?

V (Van/April)>> What do you mean? >> Well, you're you're like what's the Did he Are you saying he did something wrong? What? >> Yeah. >> Which was what? never sp like he's not

V (Van/April)spoken to me in like three years because I didn't willing like I lost his kid instead of willingly you know getting an abortion. >> Did he state that to you that he because

V (Van/April)you chose to keep it and you lost it that that's the reason he won't >> Yeah. Yeah. Like Yeah. Yeah. He stated Yeah. Like Yeah. I have proof. I literally have proof of this.

V (Van/April)>> Well, he Hold on. So, he wanted you to get an abortion. Yeah. >> But you didn't. >> No. And he threatened it. Like he threatened it before.

Brian Atlas>> Wait. So question. Did he broke You guys broke up before the ectopic? >> Yeah. Like a month like I was across the country.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you Hold on. I'm confused. If he broke up with you prior to the ectopic pregnancy, how could that be po

Felicitya post hawk justification for why he broke up with you? >> No. No, it's not. >> Isn't that what she said? >> No, she said they broke up and she was pregnant and he wanted her to get an

Felicityabortion. She didn't want to get an abortion and then she ended up having to get rid of the baby anyways and then he just blocked her. He didn't want anything to do with her anyways. because she wanted to keep the baby. So because

Brian Atlasshe wanted to keep it, he didn't want to be with her anyways. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Get rid of it because it was ectopic. >> But they had already broken up. So I don't see how the ectopic pregnancy like

Clairethat component of it. >> What? Like I'm Does nobody else I see it because like >> Yeah, I see it. >> Just because you weren't like together anymore doesn't mean that he could like he could have supported you like at least emotionally or some sort of way

Brian Atlasinstead of >> I mean she was pregnant. Yeah, right. >> He didn't want to I mean, look, we can have not to get into an abortion debate, but >> Oh, Lord. >> Well, no, we're not we're not going to

Janettedebate abortion, but I I don't see what's the actual problem. >> Well, she physically went through something kind of awful with the whole ectopic that that type of pregnancy is not comfortable. It's a kind of a

Felicitytraumatic experience. >> Yeah. It probably didn't feel good to like go through something so traumatic both like physically and emotionally since she wanted to keep it and then he just like wants nothing to do with her blocks or even though they were already split up. >> They they were split up. You >> could still acknowledge her as a human being that went through something

Janettepainful. >> Yeah, >> that's it. You know, if you would have got hit by a car the next day after you guys broke up and she didn't reach out, are you okay? I mean, >> yeah, sure. But I mean, like I How long were you guys dating for? >> Yeah, like half a year. >> Six months.

Brian Atlas>> Does it matter? It was still my first love. I was 18. People People break up all the time after knowing each other for only 6 months. >> And yeah, yeah, we'll get you out soon. But

Brian Atlasit's like women want to go no contact all the time after breakups. Men want to go no contact all the time. No, but the point

V (Van/April)is he tried like manipulating the situation like he was going to stay my friend until I didn't get the abortion. You know what I mean?

Brian Atlas>> Um I'm a little confused. >> You guys get it? >> I get it. >> I don't It's pretty cut and dry. >> But there was Okay, but here here's here's how I'm understanding it.

Brian Atlas>> He was like, "Okay, I'm in a shitty position. She's pregnant. I'm She doesn't want to get rid of it. She He's thinking, "Okay, I'm going to have to be involved somewhere." >> No. No.

Brian Atlas>> He's going to be on the hook for child whatever it is, right? Um, okay. I'm going to keep things like I'm Okay.

Brian AtlasIf a woman If a woman >> has your kid, you're kind of linked. >> Yeah. >> You're linked. But like

Brian Atlas>> you're linked. It's in the best interest to like have some look, some guys can just go and disappear. But you're kind of linked for life. Unless you totally, you know what? Don't

Brian Atlaspay me child support. Don't give a [ __ ] Go away. Right now that it was clear that that link was no more. He had he already broke up with

V (Van/April)you. He didn't want anything to do with you. He maybe only maintained contact because you were pregnant with his child. >> No, no, we were talking before. Like I moved across the country and we were still talking. I didn't know I was

V (Van/April)pregnant until like a week into rehab. But we were still talking like daily. >> What? >> Like we were >> when you were dating? >> No, we weren't like

V (Van/April)>> Wait, what? We weren't dating when I was in rehab, but we were still talking, >> you know, like we were still friends. Like, it was like a good terms breakup.

Brian Atlas>> I don't understand. You said that he told you he wanted the for you to get an abortion. He said he would block you if you didn't. You didn't. >> What's the issue?

Brian Atlas>> What the [ __ ] That's horrible. >> What? Uh, you're you're the one who's pro-choice. Why can't a man is a a man

V (Van/April)must like stay with you or whatever? >> No, I didn't want him to. I was going to raise it with my bestie. >> Then why do you care? Why do you care if he blocked you? >> Cuz that's a horrible thing to do to a human being.

Brian Atlas>> Why? You guys broke up. >> So are you not on good terms with any of your exes? Like >> Oh, I mean if I have a amicable breakup, I don't block them. >> Yeah, but >> we were on good terms. You were on good

Brian Atlasterms when we when you were you got knocked up at 19 in the rehab facility. You were on good terms. >> No, I was got >> Women Women across the country. >> Women who are on drugs >> after we broke up.

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