Feral Girl KICKED OUT Who Wants Brian KlLLED Like Charlie Kirk?! Feminism DEBATE! | Dating Talk #264

Date: 2025-10-13

Duration: 7h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

VV (Van/April)>

RRachel (Yoga)>

LLindsay (Med Device)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ailia Purr(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Van/April)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Claire(guest)

SPEAKER_05Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Olivia (VA)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Rachel (Yoga)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Tina(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lindsay (Med Device)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Janette(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

ControversyAilia admits to porn at 16 with fake ID

ControversyAilia red-carded: wouldn't be surprised if Brian got shot like Charlie Kirk

Key MomentBrian vs V: extended feminism definition debate (~80 min)

Key MomentRachel: married guitarist, divorced, married lead singer of same band

Key MomentV's ectopic pregnancy at 19 in drug rehab

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests. Ailia admits to porn at 16 with fake ID.

Ailia Ejection

Red-carded after Charlie Kirk death threat comment and underage porn admission.

Pasty George iPhone Gift

$2,000 donation for iPhone 17 Pro, unboxed on stream.

Feminism Definition Debate

Brian vs V: ~80 min debate on feminism, advocacy vs equality.

V Ectopic Pregnancy Story

Pregnant at 19 in rehab. Ex threatened to block her if she didn't abort.

Transcript

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V (Van/April)>> but like yeah the And >> okay, but you said you wished >> you could pick bear. Why? >> Yeah, cuz I feel like the point of that is like, >> you know, like

V (Van/April)>> rationality. You think the bear will be less of a raper? >> The point of that Yeah. Like the point of that question is like >> like Yeah, that's the point of the question.

V (Van/April)>> Why would the man sexually assault you? >> It's very common. >> How common? Well, I've read it's one in four, but I think it's a lot higher because every

V (Van/April)woman I know have been has been sexually assaulted and a lot of men I know have also been sexually assaulted by men. >> So, what do you think the percentages? >> Like documented or undocumented?

V (Van/April)>> Just what do you think? >> I think it's got to be like I don't think anyone in their life hasn't been sexually harassed or assaulted in some way. No, >> women are

Tina>> But what do you think the percentage is? >> Yeah. And my best friend was just sexually assaulted by a woman. S. >> Yes. Okay. But what do you think the percentages? >> Did I ever say that? That's not possible. >> No, she didn't. What do you think the

V (Van/April)percentage is? No. >> Um, probably like 99.9%. >> Haha. What do you think the >> Wait, come on. >> Undocumented 99.9%. >> Out of out of everyone. Like out of

Felicityeveryone in this world. I'm not asking like who do how many people do you think have been assaulted. I'm asking like how many men do you think are likely to sexually or have sexually assaulted someone? >> That's like a very

Felicityprobably all of them 100%. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Really? >> Even if it were in like unintentionally like Yeah. So, you think every single

Felicityman that you've passed on the street, you think your dad has sexually assaulted someone? You have Do you have brothers? >> No. >> You have nephews, uncles? >> Yeah. >> You think they've sexually assaulted

V (Van/April)someone? >> I don't really trust that they haven't. >> Why? Why would you think that they that they have? Well, I wouldn't be like, "Oh, you like I wouldn't accuse them of

V (Van/April)that, but like I just think it's very very common and unlikely that it wouldn't happen, you know?" >> But you're saying you think 100% of men.

V (Van/April)>> Yeah. >> Do you know the actual statistic? I don't know the documented statistics, but also I know a lot of survivors are very scared to open up

Felicityabout that. >> Yeah, there's like undocumented, but what do you think the statistic is? >> Okay. Again, 99.9. >> No, like like real statistic. Do you think it's 99.9? >> No. 25%. >> The other panelist.

Claire>> Okay. >> Uh man or bear on a hike? Random or random man. Random bear on a hike. Um, well, I've I've been on hikes and I've come across random men, but I haven't come across a bear yet. So, I would say

Clairethe man. >> Okay. Man. >> Absolutely. A man. >> Man. Man. Man. Okay. So, you're the only one that picked bear.

V (Van/April)>> I didn't pick bear though. >> Well, you said I said I wish I could say bear. But why would you wish that? Because I get the point of that question is to like the point of that question is

Lindsay (Med Device)to like >> what's the point of the question? >> The point of the question is to like show that you know >> but what do you really feel if it is bear >> I mean you're cuz her response was

V (Van/April)basically around bear. >> It's like death or like >> trauma. Yeah. >> That's what you think you think. So, you're saying that like every man that you pass you on the street, you

Tinathink they've sexually assaulted someone or would like to sexually assault you? >> Not necessarily me, but women probably. Yeah. >> You said 99.9%. >> Do you think that your career option

Tinathat you have right now kind of like skews your brain? That's a great point. >> You are constantly around men who are probably not like the nicest people on the planet.

V (Van/April)>> Yeah. But also, every woman outside of it that I've met has been sexually assaulted. And like a lot of men I've met have been sexually assaulted by men as well.

Tina>> But to say that every single man on the planet has sexually assaulted somebody, I don't think that's outrageous. >> Well, she asked if they have or have thought about it. No, I didn't say thought. I said, "How many men do you

Felicitythink?" >> And you said 99.9%. >> Sexual predators. That's ridiculous. Okay. >> But like you're saying that like you think even like your father has done that and like your uncles and nephews

V (Van/April)and such. >> I'm not going to accuse them again, but I'm just saying that it's probably like more likely than not. >> You know, >> everybody uh answer

Felicity>> they all said man besides >> But I did say man. >> No, she said man. She said man. She just said that 99.9%. She said man. She at first she said man. Then she said I wish I could pick bear.

FelicityAnd then she went on to say that she thinks like 99.9% of men are sexual predators. >> I see. Okay. >> Even her family members. >> Oh, >> I'm not saying like they are. I'm just

V (Van/April)saying it's very like I don't want to think they're not. >> Do you think they would be offended if like they heard you saying that? >> I'm not accusing them of anything. I'm

Felicityjust saying I don't trust men. You're not accusing. You're not accusing. But you're saying you wouldn't be surprised. It's like >> cuz they're men. >> Like what if I was like I wouldn't be surprised if you were a neo-Nazi.

Janette>> Isn't that kind of weird, >> right? So >> I mean, but yeah, you don't know. Like >> based on her experiences and where she works and the people she surrounds herself with, I can understand where she

SPEAKER_01comes to this conclusion. Unfortunately, [Music] >> Pasty George donated $200. >> So, that's

Brian Atlasallows up to $500 in super chats per day. >> Yo, Pasty George, thank you, man. Appreciate it, guys. If the TTS is coming through, please don't like talk over it. >> Uh, that is a good point. I know that

Brian Atlassuper that YouTube has limits, but uh we could still I think we could still do it. I I guess. Um, sorry guys. Guys, I had to step away there. So, some of these are coming in a little bit late.

SPEAKER_01>> Adzil's donated $200. Brian, you're a six. Don't be so harsh. Height is a factor. 6FT1 is beyond above average, so it evens out.

SPEAKER_01>> Thank you. >> Quick fire question. Everyone's favorite Michael Jackson song. >> Billy Jean. >> Go. >> Thriller. >> Yeah, Billy. I Billy Jean. >> Thriller. >> It's October. I guess thriller.

Brian Atlas>> Do you know who Michael Jackson is? Yes, I do. >> Uh, yeah. You're you're you're 18, right? So, I don't know. Do they >> I think everyone knows who Michael Jackson is, >> but I feel like >> How is he >> Do you know the Beatles?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, god. >> Yes. >> Is this patronizing pictures? Well, just >> wait. I' I've talked to younger people and they're like, um, Nirvana, who's that?

Felicity>> Well, I just said a Michael Jackson song and we're like the same age. >> Well, Felicity, you are weird. I >> think I'm normal. >> I have like four Aussie Osborne tattoos.

Brian Atlas>> Uh Corey, thank you for Corey, thank you. Did that come through from Corey, Nick? >> Yeah, I did. >> Corey, thank you for the It looks like you bought on Mer uh a hoodie. Thank you. >> That was good.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> Did you see that question? >> Hey, you need to send in $200 to actually have that question be read out loud and then have it be said. >> $2004 to be exact. That was

Brian Atlas>> my point is because of my trauma, I don't trust any man no matter. >> You only gave $10, buddy. You need to step up your game and then we'll talk about your question. >> My issue with that, though. Here's my

Brian Atlasissue with that is what if we extend this justification to race. >> Mhm. >> Say somebody's been traumatized by a

Brian Atlasblack person. Does your statement that you made about men >> all of a sudden transmute into a racist one if you say, "Well,

Brian AtlasI've had trauma from black people. Therefore, I think this about black people, is it racist?" >> Definitely. >> So, are you sexist against men?

V (Van/April)>> I guess this specific view comes from trauma and it is misandry. >> Oh, it is misandry. >> Yeah. which is sexist.

V (Van/April)>> Are you misandress? >> Not like generally no. But I think when it comes to trusting men, my trust for men's at a zero, which could be viewed

Brian Atlasas sexist or misandress, >> you know. >> Okay. So, you would you would consider yourself uh misandress then? >> That's not necessarily what I said. >> Well, okay. In some you're not you don't

V (Van/April)take on the title in total. No, no. >> But you have misandressed positions. Is that >> one which is my lack of trust for men?

V (Van/April)>> I think >> in any other regard, no. But I think I've had a lot of negative experiences with men that makes me think that way. And I think misogynistic men also have

Clairetrauma with women that make them misogynistic. I think also statistically though, like your your point of view is supported because you can fact check me if I'm

Clairewrong, but I'm pretty sure 80 82% of like minors who get assaulted are women and 90% of like assault cases are women and like more than 95% of sexual

Brian Atlasassaults are men. So I feel like if you do have like a distrust for men, like it's it is backed by statistics. >> Yeah. But this justification

Brian Atlasum even if it is the case and mind you a lot of these uh you know these stats are misrepresented. They're they can often times be false but just for the sake of argument I'll go ahead and grant that

Brian Atlasyeah men are over represented in certain crime statistics. Sure let's grant it. I yeah we'll we'll grant it. It's probably true. Although I do think a lot of these

Brian Atlasstatistics are mischaracterized. For example, women will say, "Well, the majority of people who commit the crime of rape are men." Well, if by the definition, the

Brian Atlaslegal the criminal legal definition of rape prevents women from being deemed as committing that crime. While we as a society might say, well, somebody who's,

Brian Atlasyou know, like a woman who takes advantage of somebody, like we would call her a rapist, >> criminally, it doesn't always work out that way. So if you actually look in these jurisdictions, women can't be convicted

Brian Atlasfor the crime of rape. >> Are you joking? No. >> Are you joking? >> That's [ __ ] up. >> I'm just saying that's really [ __ ] up. >> You can look into it. So if the crime of

Brian Atlasrape there h you as the perpetrator have to penetrate them, then women I guess technically like if you were to stick I don't want to get detailed. If

Brian Atlasyou want to like >> Yeah. put your finger, you know, whatever. Like if you penetrate somebody as a woman without their consent >> under under that circumstance >> that but

Brian Atlas>> but like for example made to penetrate wouldn't be wouldn't constitute rape >> the [ __ ] >> that's just how it is. But so when these statistics are presented and

V (Van/April)>> can I see the definition >> fact check you like I'm sorry I just like that's so mindblowing. Do you think it's not the case? >> I think it's so [ __ ] up. That's [ __ ] up.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it is [ __ ] up. But it is it is it is the case in a lot of jurisdictions where women >> can't be found leg uh criminally liable crim criminally guilty

Brian Atlas>> for the the crime of rape. >> Definitely harder. I think unless they be >> they can be they can be uh found guilty of other sex crimes, >> but the specific crime of rape

Janette>> Yeah. In certain jurisdictions, it you have to penetrate. >> There's a penetrative component >> with something of your own body parts. I mean, you can penetrate a man with something forcibly.

Brian Atlas>> You can, but like for example, um like if a woman like holds a guy's arms down and he's clearly not consenting and she she for or she has a gun and she forces

Brian Atlashim to >> penetrate her under threat like coercive or violence. >> Yeah, that's different. >> That would not be considered rape. Yeah, >> it would be considered some other sex. >> But if she held him down and forcibly penetrated him with something, would

Brian Atlasthat be rape? >> My understanding, yes, that would be rape. But most rapes that, well, >> I would view it as rape if a woman forces a man to penetrate her. But criminally speaking, um,

Brian Atlas>> they're saying no reverse rape. Reverse rape doesn't exist is what they're saying. >> Well, there and by the way, it the definitions vary by jurisdiction. Mhm. >> But in any case, to the central point,

Brian Atlasyou were saying a little bit of a tangent there. You were saying, well, it is the case that men commit these crimes more frequently. Well,

Brian Atlasmy first point would be it's a really small proportion of men. And so, while it is in this, I'll grant it. While it might be true that men commit these crimes more frequently, a really, really

Brian Atlassmall percentage of men commit these crimes. And I think it's it is bigotry to attribute to the group the behavior of a criminal minority of that group. In

Brian Atlasthe same way, like for example, the the other complexity here is it then creates the

Brian Atlasopening, I guess you could say, for racists to say, well, hold on. This race commits more crimes than this race.

Brian AtlasThis minority group commits more crimes than Asian people. And there are crime statistics that do account for race, right? Well, they they

Brian Atlasfactor this in. And so, what is stopping an Asian person from justifying their racism towards black people by saying, "Well, hold on." And by the way, um,

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to almost all crimes across the board, Asian people commit these crimes the least, right? But they could look to white people, they could look to black people, they could look to Hispanic people and say, "Well, hold on.

Brian AtlasI'm Asian. Black people commit these violent crimes more frequently than Asian people do. You would agree though that to say make some sort of blanket general statement

Claireabout black people would be racist, right? Oh, do you? I don't know. Maybe you're like, I'm fine with it, actually.

Brian Atlas>> No, no, no. I I'm not racist. >> No, no. But but would you you would agree that it wouldn't be fair to paint

Brian Atlasall black people as you know to to start having bigotry or contempt or racist

Brian Atlassentiment towards black people despite the the factual crime statistics that

Brian Atlasper capita they do engage in certain crime more than other races. What's the I just I just I kind of forgot the question, but I'm just

Brian Atlas>> We were talking about Yeah, you it sounded like you were saying, "Well, she she's kind of justified." Even if, you know, she didn't have her own trauma. I have stats. I have crime

Brian Atlasstatistics and it shows that men commit these crimes more often than women. 98% of, you know, perpetrators of this crime are men.

Brian AtlasAnd you're essentially trying to get to well that's the justification for women's lack of trust in men or you know whatever it is bigotry

Brian Atlasthe difference is is I would say while we can acknowledge that crime statistics are true and that there are discrepancies between men and women even between races that I would never go even

Brian Atlasthough you know for example black people commit more violent crime than whites or Asians I would never say, "Well, we should treat the entire group. We should we should treat this entire group and

Brian Atlasappraise them generally and appraise an individual black person who we don't know anything about as potentially being more violent." >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Do you have a counter to this or Well, do you want to like revise your position or do you think it's What do you think? >> I don't know. I don't really have any

Brian Atlasmore comments on it, >> but I mean, so I guess what what were you trying to get at by saying, well, men commit these crimes more.

Claire>> I just wanted to bring up the statistic that it is like a 90% plus statistic for like sexual assault and that it's like committed by men. So, like if you do take that into account, not saying that

Claireall men do this or that women can't be like sexual predators. I'm just saying that like >> I would understand why she has trust issues just based on like >> statistical maybe like you know her own

Brian Atlasexperiences. >> Can I ask you this though? if a white person had their own individual uh traumatic experience with a with a black person, maybe one, maybe two, maybe three. And then they also showed you,

Brian Atlashey, look at look at these crime statistics right here. Would you understand their racism? >> Not really.

Brian Atlas>> Like would you just do you think their racis racism is justified? >> No. So why is sexism towards men justified?

Claire>> I don't think it's sexism. I think it's just >> Well, you tell me what it is. >> I wouldn't call it sexism. I'm not

Brian Atlassaying that all men are like >> Well, here was your framing. You said you understand why she doesn't trust Is was that the right word? She doesn't

Brian Atlastrust men. Well, I'll just use the exact same language, but input race. Would you say you understand a white person who doesn't tr trust black people because

Brian Atlasthey've been victimized by a black person? And they would show you they and they can show you, trust me, crime statistics that show that black people per capita commit certain crimes disproportionately and commit crimes

Clairemore often than white people or Asian people. Would you understand why somebody wouldn't trust a black person? I guess logically, yes, I would. But for me

Brian Atlaspersonally, like it would be different. >> It's different. Well, >> it it just it's just different. >> But that's where you and me differ. Where I would say, well, no, I don't think you should make generalized statements about black

Brian Atlaspeople or any other minority group just as you shouldn't make these statements about men.

Brian AtlasI look, I think your position is a bit untenable. you're going to have to either uh revise your position and say that, you know what, Brian, you're right. We shouldn't make like these

Brian Atlasbigoted comments or whatever, or like, you know, these attitudes towards men are not really justified. Or you're going to have to open the floodgates to

Brian Atlasjustified racism. There's no way around it.

Brian AtlasI mean, that's the logical extension of your position. I had bad experience with this group of th this person who belongs to this

Brian Atlasgroup. I can I have crime statistics that show this group does this commits uh ex crime more often? That's the opening.

Brian AtlasSo, will you stand with me against racism and sexism, or will you uh allow for exceptions to sexism and

Brian Atlasracism so long as somebody has personally been uh victimized and they can show you crime statistics? >> I guess I'll stand with you and not

Brian Atlasallow any sexism work. >> Okay. All right. There we go. All right. Good. Good times. Uh, okay. >> Well, I have a question >> into the mic if you can.

V (Van/April)>> Oh, sorry. Would you like Are you a feminist? >> No. >> So, you're misogynistic? >> Well, >> how how does that >> It's not one or the other. >> Um, explain that though. What do you

Brian Atlasmean? >> Do you know the definition of feminism? >> Uh, I have two of my own definitions for it.

Brian Atlasthree different phases of it. >> Um, hold on. Let me wait hold on. Uh, let me play this. >> Absil's donated $200

SPEAKER_01>> and then we'll get to that. >> Don't test me. Michael is the most famous person to step foot on earth to this day. Thriller is the goat album. Still the highest selling. Knew you were

Brian Atlasa Swifty Brian. >> Okay. #free. I'm a Swifty. Thank you. That's not nice. >> Just kidding. >> Joke. >> So, sorry. What were you saying? The definition of feminism.

Brian AtlasUh, you tell me your definition and I'll give you mine. >> The advocacy of women's rights and equal rights between genders. >> Okay. Uh, well, I disagree with your definition, but I'll give you two. I'll give you the charitable definition,

Brian Atlaswhich I don't think is actually the case. Uh the first definition of feminism that I would give is women's advoc advocacy period. So that's the

Brian Atlasfirst half of your definition. Um so even by charitable definition it ab feminism absolutely is never about equality. Feminism is about women's

Brian Atlasadvocacy. And to be clear there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy. However, let's not parade around feminism as if

Brian Atlasit were actually at all interested in equality. >> Why is that not? >> Well, for example, um

Brian AtlasI don't typically hear feminists ever doing any advocacy for men. uh the advocacy that they support. Again, nothing wrong with this, but if

Brian Atlaswe're using terms like equality, it should actually meet the criteria and definition for equality. Feminists never really advocate for men. Feminists

Brian Atlasdismiss, downplay, omit ways in which men could conceivably have things worse. Uh there's plenty of statistics that actually can back this

Brian Atlasup that in many many ways men things have it worse than women. >> Uh I think men and women each respectively have their own difficulties and struggles in life. >> 100%. >> Right. of feminists actually refuse to

Brian Atlasacknowledge them because it would completely dismantle and crumble the uh fantasy of uh you know what they've attempted to construct as women victims,

Brian Atlaswomen oppressed, men perpetrators, men predators, men oppressors. Let me finish really quick though. Uh in any situation

Brian Atlasand here here's the really the killer. If there was a scenario where achieving equality came to the detriment of women,

Brian Atlasfeminists wouldn't fight for it. And there are ways in which equality like we're not equal that would equalize us where feminists would actively because it's

Brian Atlaswomen's advocacy, right? Uh where women would stand to it would come to the detriment of women in some way.

Brian AtlasSo for example, often in the court system, there's massive bias against men. >> Yeah. >> There's a lot of bias against men. Uh if

Brian Atlaswe saw for example, while we wanted to try to equalize, you know, the the when we dispense punishments for crimes,

Brian Atlas>> well, there seems to be clear evidence that men receive harsher punishments for crimes, >> more fines, more jail time, longer probation, more likely to be convicted,

Brian Atlasall these sorts of things, right? uh also in the like the family court system, civil court system, when it comes to family law, there is quite a bit of bias in the law against men. You see this in divorce. Now, I'm not say

Brian Atlassome women here have been divorced. I'm not maybe your divorce didn't go so great. >> I'm not saying that it's always the case, but there's definitely, for example, when it comes to child custody, there's a lot of assumptions made about

Brian Atlasthe uh shoot, what's the word? There's a lot of assumptions made about men's uh trying to think what the right word

V (Van/April)is here. Uh capacity. No, not capacity. >> Ability to care for their child. >> Yeah, I agree. >> What's that name? >> I agree with you. >> No, not that. Uh

Brian Atlas>> there's a lot of assumptions made about men's I guess lack of >> No, that's not it. Um [ __ ] >> Describe what it is. uh like uh ability

Brian Atlascapacity, but it's not quite that. It's >> capability. >> Ah [ __ ] it's on the tip of my tongue and it I'm the type of person I can't move away from it until I figure it out.

Brian AtlasUm men's aptitude. >> Give me synonyms for aptitude. >> Yo, you know I mean you're googling it. Maybe the Where's the chat? I'm trying

Brian Atlasto see >> dictionary. Come on, Nick. Come on, Nick. You should be a walking dictionary here. >> Proficiency, maybe. Whatever. Anyways, um yeah, there's massive bias. And so,

Brian Atlasfor example, in Florida, >> I recall the the court system was trying to uh make it so that when there's like a split, like, you know, there's there's a

Brian Atlaschild custody dispute. Mhm. >> There are court systems in the United States where the courts would defer to giving the mom >> Yeah. >> custody and they were less likely to

Brian Atlasgive husbands custody. I don't know the exact obviously there's so many jurisdictions and >> it's very bad in Pennsylvania too, >> right? And so we saw women's

Brian Atlasorganizations and really big ones. I I don't want to misquote. I believe I could be wrong. I think it was a national organization for women or maybe one of these other ones

Brian Atlasin Florida >> fighting against equal custody. >> What? >> Sorry, >> you don't have to. Okay. Equal custody

Brian Atlasdistribute. That's not the right word. Um equal custody uh in Florida. >> Yeah. that wouldn't it be equal if men and women when they're going through a

Brian Atlasdispute it should just shouldn't it just default to 50/50 custody >> I think so >> okay it wasn't the case in Florida and feminists fought against it >> that's [ __ ] up

Brian Atlas>> yeah so this idea that feminism is about equality and then the the obviously the big one military conscription women have had the vote for hundred years for men

Brian Atlasto get the vote they had to fight and die for their country. Men are subject to the selective service system. In order to be able to vote, you have to register for the selective service system. This is something that only

Brian Atlasapplies to men. Women have feminists have had a hundred years to equalize the draft. >> Yeah. >> I don't see any feminist organizations ever saying, "Hey, you know what?

Brian AtlasWe really don't want to go to war, but for the name in for the sake of equality, we're going to try to equalize the draft because that would be equal equal. That would be equality.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> So, feminism is women's advocacy. It's definitely doesn't give a [ __ ] about equality. Unless that equality

Brian Atlasbenefits women, then you'll fight for equality. I think any any equality that could conceivably detriment women, child

Brian Atlascustody stuff, draft, military, all this [ __ ] They don't give a [ __ ] >> Well, I think you're speaking for

V (Van/April)corrupt fe like groups to be honest and those are chauvinists. >> Well, hold on. Um, >> they think women are better than men. Like, >> wait, wait, wait, hold on. Feminism is

Brian Atlasequality between genders and a true feminist would like fight for equality, you know. >> Okay. Well, we're doing like no true Scotsman. I'm not interested in dictionary definitions. Dictionary

Brian Atlasdefinitions can be wrong. I'm pretty sure like I don't know if one of these woke dictionaries tried to change the definition of what a woman is. In any case, I'm interested in the fruits of feminism.

Brian Atlas>> I don't care. Like for example, right, politicians lie? >> Yeah. Can feminists lie? >> Oh, 100% everyone can lie. >> So, it's very it's very like a virtue

Brian Atlassignal to say I believe in equality. But if you look at their fruits, the fruits of feminism, the product of feminism,

Brian AtlasI never actually see any advocation towards any sort of equality where women could be

Brian Atlasuh dis disadvantaged or inconvenienced by equality. They they won't fight for it. They won't fight for it. I mean,

V (Van/April)I'm going to have to say that's um chauvinism though cuz like >> I Okay, >> that's like or radical feminists, you know what I mean? Because

V (Van/April)like I don't know like true true feminists would fight for equality between genders. And I think that's like a misconception in the media. >> Well, I mean it's just a it's a no true

Brian AtlasScotsman fallacy. this idea that well you know those feminists like the 99% of feminists that you're talking about Brian there are those like few good feminists

Brian Atlasno I I never I've never seen feminists ever advocate for military conscription for women I've never seen feminists ever advocate for equality where women

Brian Atlassomehow are disadvantaged or inconvenienced or it it strips them of some privilege that they've had in societ society. >> Well, then that needs to change because that's not true feminism.

Brian Atlas>> Well, feminists have had well over a hundred years to do this, but they don't. None of the mainstream feminist organizations >> mainstream. >> Yeah. Shouldn't the mainstream feminist

Brian Atlasorganizations that like have the political capital and the influence and the funding and the money, uh, shouldn't they be the ones who are advocating for

Brian Atlasequality? >> Yeah, cuz that's true feminism. Okay. So 99% of feminists are not feminists then. >> Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Brian AtlasBecause true feminism is like fighting for equal rights between the genders. >> Yeah, but that would just be egalitarianism. Like it's it's funny. It's in the word

Brian Atlasitself. Feminism. Feminism. Feminine. It's in the word. The word itself clearly would would point towards we

Brian Atlasdon't care about equality. We want, again, nothing wrong with it. We want uh to secure benefits, privileges, rights for women. We want to do women's advocacy. That's it. It does. It's not about

Felicityequality. >> Fighting for women's rights to be equal to men, >> but we're already equal to them. >> I have a question about the draft. I

Felicityguess for Brian and everyone else, do you think like if say women were drafted, do you think they should be on the front lines? >> Oh, >> or like more in

Felicity>> uhos hospitality type or like the kitchen >> administrative or something would be >> something else like But do you do you think they should be on the front lines? >> I guess I don't have a stance on that,

Felicitybut like why not? If they're more qualified than others, then yeah. Well, I think that's more about like physical strength. >> Yeah, >> our bodies don't we're different from men. So,

SPEAKER_01>> oh, just one donated $200. >> Sorry for the delay, man. >> If you normalize for sexually coercive acts, forced to penetrate acts, etc. Women account for 30 to 50% of

SPEAKER_01perpetrators of rape. I'm sure this will shock many women, which is your privilege talking. >> But Brian, what do you think about my

Brian Atlasquestion? I'm genuinely curious. >> Your question being that should women be on the front line if they do get drafted? >> Yeah. >> Uh, well, by the way, curious guy, I

Brian Atlasthink for the merch, the merch thing came up, Nick.

Brian Atlas>> Yo, thank you for the It looks like you bought the hoodie. Thank you, man. >> Uh, I mean, well, first off, I think it's really unlikely that we're going to ever equalize the draft >> if like

Brian Atlas>> But yeah, yeah. Yeah, sure. Uh if it would still be unequal because even if we did, I think uh what we would see is is that

Brian Atlasuh even if women did get drafted, they would overwhelmingly be put in support roles by the military unless there was like some as part of the draft, women

Brian Atlaswere also compelled to fight. Uh >> well, I was asking like do you think they should be on the front lines? um

Brian Atlas>> or in like other positions. >> So, practically speaking, no, they shouldn't be front line, >> but >> if you're the opposing party, you're

Brian Atlasgoing to want them on the front line. But I wouldn't want >> for the sake of equality. And if if equality is important, >> put them on the [ __ ] front line. But

Felicitywe're not men and women are not equal physically. Like men are typically generally stronger than women.

Janette>> So could that possibly make >> the military weaker? As an American man, do you want women fighting on the front line to protect us as American citizens?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. In terms of combat readiness, yeah, you typically don't want women on the front lines. They're just they're not as physically strong as men. They're more prone to injury. You know, it's

Brian Atlasjust we see this in sports even. You look at like really fast, is it fast twitch? I don't know. Women are more prone to certain like knee injuries. Um

Brian Atlasthe these sorts of things just because men are a little sturdier in terms of uh skeletal uh mus sk muscular hold sorry >> muscular

Brian Atlas>> it's it's a word sus muscularkeeletal system. Uh so and you know you're in certain military situations you're [ __ ] sprinting and running and carrying a backpack and all

Brian Atlasthis [ __ ] Um but in any case uh yeah men are better suited but I mean if if we want to live in a feminist utopian society then yeah women should probably die.

Brian Atlas>> I don't want to live in that kind of society. >> I do not. I mean, >> but I mean, if we if we uphold equality as this virtue in society and it's like, should female soldiers even be paid as

Brian Atlasmuch as men, like in the volunteer force? Like, I'm pretty sure uh look, I'm not a military guy. Maybe any military people in the chat can weigh in. My understanding is is if you're in

Brian Atlaslike active combat, right, guys, you're getting paid higher. Correct? You're getting paid more if you're actually in combat, right? chat military guys.

Brian AtlasBut like if you're a I don't know sergeant first class and you guys are just kicking it whatever and there's a woman who's or is it sergeant first class or >> this is the wrong

Brian Atlas>> Wait, hold on, >> bro. Sorry. I don't know if you're [ __ ] >> I don't know the ranking. >> Is it sergeant first? Is that even a [ __ ] rank? >> No. >> Hazardous combat pay. Hazardous duty

Brian Atlaspay. I don't know if if you got two um >> captain. >> I I'm trying to think of nonofficer roles. >> Oh,

Lindsay (Med Device)>> private first class. >> Sergeant first class. I don't know. >> I know that I know that's the derogatory term boot when they call someone. >> But like if you're not in active combat

Brian Atlasmilitary people in the chat, >> men and women get paid the same, right? In the military. Like if you're just the same rank, you get paid the same. Right. Right. Chat. >> I wish I could see the chat.

Brian Atlas>> I'd love to know. Yeah. >> I would love to see the chat. >> Uh so anyways, uh what was the question? >> Okay. Well, you're a feminist, right?

V (Van/April)>> I want an equal right for sure. Yeah. >> Into the mic. >> Oh, sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. But yeah. Yeah. >> And number two, please. I believe men and women should

Brian Atlasdefinitely have equal rights. >> Should men or should women be drafted? >> Yeah. >> Okay. But they're not that's not equal. >> Yeah. It's not equal. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Why wouldn't like why would I say no to that? I'm just saying. And I do think that it should be 50. >> Should women should women in the WNBA be paid the same as men in the NBA? >> Yeah. No, they shouldn't because the viewers

Rachel (Yoga)>> Let's get everybody's answer really quick. >> Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. >> What do you think? >> No, I don't think so. >> No, because it loses money, right? >> No one watches the WNBA. No. >> Yeah.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> No one. >> No. >> If they had the same viewership, Yes. But they don't. They don't. And that's why it's >> lower. >> No, they shouldn't. >> Okay. Um, so you think they should be

Lindsay (Med Device)paid the same? Yeah. >> Why? >> It's the same sport. >> But the way they get paid is on popularity and viewership or different teams get paid different amounts

Janettedifferent players. >> The NBA helps support the WNBA, don't they? >> Yeah. They take the money. >> What's the least paid team? >> On which on the M in in the NBA?

Brian Atlas>> Like >> I I What's your point? I don't know. >> What's the least paid team? It just depends on how much Golden State Warriors there. I don't know. >> I don't think so. >> I don't know. If they're the least viewed, then they should random paid.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> Well, I mean, I think they all get paid based on their viewership in general with any sort of like >> depends on Yeah, it depends on the budget of the of the team. >> I mean, the Lakers or actually, let me

Lindsay (Med Device)we'll go to baseball. The Chicago White Socks are not gonna be the paid the same way as like the Dodgers unless you know there's >> Unless the White Socks win, >> right? Exactly. >> What is the base pay of a WNBA player

Lindsay (Med Device)versus the base pay of an NBA player? >> It's I know it's substantial. >> It's I think uh NBA is double and >> or no triple more than WNBA is double >> digit.

Brian Atlas>> I think some of them get paid like I don't know 70 80,000 in the WNBA. Um, yeah. But so, okay, you're asking though about

V (Van/April)what's the least paid team in the NBA. What does that have to do with >> Well, if they have the least amount of viewers, then do you think every team deserves to be paid differently in the NBA? >> Well, they are

Brian Atlas>> play Yeah. different teams and different players are compensated differently. Like LeBron James gets paid way more than like some rookie. >> You think that's fair? >> Yeah. Yeah, of course.

Brian Atlas>> He's a better player. He's He's bringing eyeballs. He has >> It's like the same thing in any career. You're going to have, you know, work your way up. >> Question for you. Should an extra on the set of a Quinton Tarantino movie be paid

Janettethe same as Brad Pitt? >> No. >> You're doing less work. >> But you're a dancer, so when you go to work at night, do you think everyone should pull tips or do you think that you should keep what you earned based on your performance? >> Everyone should pull tips for sure.

V (Van/April)>> Oh, hell no. >> Do they? something. >> Wait, what do you mean pull tips? Like get my >> tips. That means everyone puts their money together. >> No. Hell no. Yeah, it's okay. Same concept. >> But they're doing the same job. They're also [ __ ] taking their clothes off and showing their butt.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that's performance based. >> Yeah, I guess you're right. >> Like, what if you're just the best stripper at the strip club and you got some rookie girl in there that doesn't know how to finesse these dudes into

Brian Atlasgetting the private dances? You know, she doesn't have that. She doesn't have the [ __ ] aura. You have the aura. All the men when they come to the step club, you get the dances. She's a rookie. >> She's like, "You know what though? I

Janettewant to be paid the same as as you." >> But uh we get paid hourly in California. >> Yeah. But you also get tips. >> But you get you get your tips. So I worked at a nightclub in Miami. It was called Live. And we used to make a ton of money and each section depended on I mean you could make 30 grand in one

Janettenight. >> Were you a bottle girl? >> Yeah, I opened the nightclub. I went there and I ran the bottle service program. I trained all the girls myself. So it was great. I made 30 grand in one night. It was fantastic. And the other girls in other sections started to get a little pissed off and they ran to the

Janetteowner and said, "Greatman, I want to make more money." So then they changed the rules after the Super Bowl and they're like, "You know what? No matter what section you're in, no matter how much service you're doing, everyone's going to put their tips all together and everyone's going to go home equal amount." >> That's annoying.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> No one wanted to work hard anymore. No one wanted to work their clients anymore because what's the point, >> right? >> Literally. >> That's the same thing with like the sports aspect. But granted, maybe you didn't realize that because >> I kind of think it's like a little

Brian Atlasdifferent. >> I don't think it's a job. It's a career. >> What about you said you do? OF kind of >> [ __ ] barely. Yeah. >> Well, okay. You like you know Sophie Rain, that girl who's allegedly made

Brian Atlaslike tens of millions of dollars. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Briefly. >> There's a there's this girl OF. She's made millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. Right. Um, should can I start

Brian Atlasin Only Fans and go to Sophie Rain and say, "You know what? I want to be paid as much as you." >> She'd probably be like, "If you work for it, then you

Brian Atlas>> you know." >> No, but I I want equal pay from OF. >> Well, >> is is it because I'm not as I don't have as many followers as Sophie Rain? Is it because she's offering a different

Janetteproduct? Maybe she's a better >> probably do. Some men probably far less money in sex work than women do. 100%. >> Well, yeah. Like men probably should get paid half of like

V (Van/April)>> so sexist. >> And the women should subsidize the male sex workers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm just Wait, what's subsid? Sorry. >> She's consistent. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just saying that >> the women

V (Van/April)>> men should be like paid half of like like if you make a porno with a woman, she should give you half of what she makes off of that porno. >> Why? I mean like why though? What do you mean by your body's in it? Like you're

Lindsay (Med Device)>> Yeah, but if like that's what the market, you know, if it costs more to >> she's getting you the exposure, you know, if that No, that Sophie, what was her name? Sophie Reigns. So, if let's say you're doing like a little thing

Lindsay (Med Device)with her and she's got a bunch of viewers that she built up over time, but it's still yours. Like, it's the porno still. >> I could be wrong, but I think from the

SPEAKER_01government of Canada. Oh, >> here we go. Hasty George donated $500. >> But aunt once a prominent feminist but now an advocate for men's rights states

SPEAKER_01that feminism is no longer about equality but about advantaging women at the expense of men and demonizing men. >> That's bisandry. >> Well, can I ask you a question? Let's let's dive into this a little bit here

Lindsay (Med Device)off of the >> fix her by the way. >> Fix her. >> Yeah, we can pro. No, I like I I want to give you props

Lindsay (Med Device)>> because I see you actually like diving deeper beyond what you feel in a conversation when you first initiate it or talk into it and I appreciate it. >> Yeah, you're you're you're being

Brian Atlasreasonable. Um >> not going to be a stripper after this. Mark my words. >> Yeah. In your notes you say you'd love to talk about how Brian gets feminism confused with Missandry. Yeah, feminism is equality of the sexes and the

Brian Atlasadvocacy of women's rights and misandre's hatred of men. And ultimately, you can't be a feminist if you don't advocate for equality and put one below or above the each other. Well,

Brian Atlasthis is kind of like communism. So, like in a perfect world, I guess, you know, with perfect actors, communism, I guess, could work, but humans are imperfect,

Brian Atlasright? So this utopian society or whatever, like how do you factor for greed? How do you factor for crime? How do you factor for people who are corrupt? How do you factor for people

Brian Atlaswho are going to abuse this system that you know requires everybody to be acting like in a really perfect or close to perfect manner? Um so it's kind of like eh feminists really aren't that way. I

Brian Atlasdo disagree with your definition. I gave you my first definition. My second definition is feminism is women's advocacy

Brian Atlasand then bundled in with that is Missandry and the two are basically inextric inextricable blah blah

Brian Atlasinextricably linked. They're intertwined. You can't you ever had like Chinese finger trap? You can't pull your fingers out. They're they're connected and you can't remove it. You can't

Brian Atlasremove it. You can't remove the anti-male component of feminism. >> Oh, yes. You agree? >> No, no, I was just like literally >> Oh, you're listening. Okay. Sure, sure, sure. >> Sorry.

Brian Atlas>> So, practically speaking, even if feminism I I I isn't inherently male, which I would argue it is. I said that the fruits of feminism are are totally

Brian Atlascontrary to this. Um, why is it the case that so many women who are exposed to feminism end up having sexist views towards men who hold

Brian Atlasanti-male positions, who espouse anti-male rhetoric, ultimately we can talk about definitions all day. If in practice what we see the fruits of

Brian Atlasfeminism are the product, the end result of feminism is, hey, this is a really good method to basically make women hate men.

V (Van/April)That's what we see. >> Well, I can see how like I I've been hearing you speak and I can hear why you feel that way cuz you haven't witnessed

Brian Atlasit any other way. >> I've had a lot of self-proclaimed feminists on. I mean, look, we can just test it out, though. Let's test it out. Um,

Brian Atlasdo you believe in the patriarchy? >> Like, do I believe it exists? >> Yes. Yes. >> Is patriarchy and the patriarchy theory

Brian Atlasa core tenant of the femini of feminism? >> Yeah. >> Like if you take a feminism 101 class in college, you get a introductory feminism textbook, >> it's going to talk about patriarchy.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, for sure. >> Perfect. Okay. So, that's the patriarchy is the the overarching framework >> that feminist the feminist lens views everything through,

Brian Atlas>> right? Right. What is patriarchy? >> It's the hierarchy of men, right? >> That's Yeah. What What about the hierarchy?

Brian Atlas>> Like I'd say we live in a very malan society. >> Male ran society. Okay. >> Um under this patriarchy, under this

Brian Atlasmale ran society, are women as a group oppressed? >> I'd say yes. >> Mhm. Okay. like in history. Yes. >> Historically. >> Historically. Yeah. Historically. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Right. And even even if it might not be the case now, although many feminists still claim that women are oppressed, even in the United States, >> I do think in some countries very much. Yeah, for sure. >> What about the USA though? Are women

Brian Atlasoppressed in the US? >> Um, I think it depends on like the context, you know. I think like >> in some way are women oppressed? >> I'd say yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um, and then historically and then current day, even though you you seem to acknowledge that in the past women were more oppressed. >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> Sure. And now they're still oppressed, but not as much. Is that fair?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. >> Who's the oppressor? >> I'd say it's society as a whole, I think. >> But it's a patriarchy. So, men,

Brian Atlas>> not necessarily. I think it comes from men and women. Well, but if Okay, sure. >> If I'm just going to be honest, >> but you said male run society. If the men run the patriarchy

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> If women as a group are the oppressor class, men as a group are what are they? The oppressor class? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Or sorry, did I say women are the oppressor? Women are the oppressed class. I might have misspoken there. >> That's okay. >> Are men the oppressor class? I'd say yes, but also women oppress each other.

Brian Atlas>> I see. Okay. Um, what are you supposed to do and think about your oppressor group? >> What do you um I think >> are you supposed to treat them well? >> Why not? >> You're oppressor. >> Why not educate them

Brian Atlas>> or like try >> maybe that's your perspective. But do you think if you tell somebody, hey, by the way, you are being oppressed by this group, >> Mhm. >> they want you to be slaves. They want

Brian Atlasyou to have less rights. They want you to be uh subservient and you know they want to hold you down while elevating themselves. Maybe you're like this, you

Brian Atlasknow, hippie peace love blah blah blah. But do you think if you tell some people that they're going to be like maybe have bad feelings towards that group? >> Oh yeah. I definitely think that's a

Brian Atlasthing for sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So if you wholesale tell women >> and this is this isn't like some fringe thing like women who go to college learn

Brian Atlasthis uh it's all over social media. Feminism is the mainstream narrative. If you tell women that by the way men throughout all of human history have been abusive. They've been predators.

Brian AtlasThey've mistreated you. They've taken away your rights. And even still today, today they still uh think XYZ bad thing about you. You're oppressed. Men are

Brian Atlasoppressors as a group. You must strive to overcome. You must strive to overthrow. >> You don't think that, you know, maybe the women are going to not have a really

Brian Atlaspositive attitude towards men? >> Yeah. But I also think there's a different approach to it. Like if I was

Brian Atlasgenuinely oppressed, genuin genuinely oppressed, not through the framework of like feminism, oh my god, oppression, blah blah blah. I would be like, yo,

Brian Atlaswe're we're slaves. We're going to overthrow these people by any means necessary, even if it means violence. >> Well, I don't ever I mean, I'm a hippie, but I don't think violence is ever okay,

Brian Atlasyou know? Like I think >> but I'm talking genuine oppression here. Not like oh like not like these sort of

Brian Atlasvague like I really want to be a victim like oh no I a man wants to take care of me and I don't have to work.

Brian Atlas>> That's I mean that's a that's a big story. That's a big component of feminism. uh freeing. You you've uh you've basically fought against >> this traditional dynamic that men and

Brian Atlaswomen used to have. >> Women were central to the household, taking care of the children. Men went out into the world and worked. >> Hey, look, I'm fine with women working.

Brian AtlasBut I don't consider like men I I don't consider it necessarily oppression that women didn't have to work and men had to

Brian Atlaswork. Like in fact, I think that's actually perhaps even more oppressive. >> Get the choice. >> Okay. Men didn't have the choice either. Like you think men back in the day when

Brian Atlasit was deemed oppressive could be like, you know what, I just I don't want to work. I just want to rely on a woman. I'll raise the children. Men don't didn't

Brian Atlashave a choice either. And women like if back in the day they wouldn't entertain that sort of gender dynamic. So women upheld this their own I guess

V (Van/April)from your purview their own oppression by refusing to date men that didn't want to work. >> We weren't allowed to work. We weren't even allowed to work though. Well,

Brian Atlasthat's not actually >> stop. That's actually not true. Women Women were never legally barred from working. Women could work at any point in human history. >> We weren't even allowed to get an education. >> That's not true.

Brian Atlas>> That is true. >> Not true. Women could go to college. There was no legal like prevention from women going to college. There are some institutions that I guess didn't allow women in. But also if you look at how

Brian Atlasmany people actually went to college, you know, college was uh reserved for like the mostly like pretty elite people. If we're depends how far back in history we're going, depends how far

Brian Atlasback. But like think about it this way. If back in the day there was a gender expectation for women to get pregnant and hundreds of year like a hundred years ago or whatever if we look at the

Brian Atlasm mortality rate of women who give birth like just practically speaking let's say you have one daughter one son. >> Mhm. >> And back then the expectation for both your children is they're gonna have

Brian Atlasthey're going to get married and have children in their early to mid20s maybe even younger. If knowing back historically that women did run a risk of death when giving

Brian Atlasbirth to children, like should we then invest that money? Like if you could only send one of your kids to college, >> but we know for certain both of them are

Brian Atlasgoing to have children. Does it make sense to send the person who's more likely to just die while giving child birth? Does that make sense? >> That is so morbid. I don't even know how

Brian Atlasto answer that if real. >> But hold on. Historically, these are just realistic considerations that people took in terms of how should we invest our money into our children? How should somebody invest their money? And

Brian Atlasthen just beyond that, if the expectation was society back then, you might say you disagree, but if the expectation was, well, hold on, this woman's going to have like four, five,

Brian Atlassix, seven children. Let me as the man who doesn't have to carry the burden of carrying a pregnancy for months, giving, you know, recovering from childbirth.

Brian AtlasWouldn't it make sense to be like, you know what, let's send the men to do work and let's set the men up so that they can do that. Wouldn't that make sense? society.

V (Van/April)I kind of don't think so because like I think I don't know just women deserve to be educ like as educated as men especially

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