Feral Girl KICKED OUT Who Wants Brian KlLLED Like Charlie Kirk?! Feminism DEBATE! | Dating Talk #264

Date: 2025-10-13

Duration: 7h 59m

Guests

Brian Atlas

VV (Van/April)>

RRachel (Yoga)>

LLindsay (Med Device)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Ailia Purr(guest)

SPEAKER_03V (Van/April)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Claire(guest)

SPEAKER_05Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Olivia (VA)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Rachel (Yoga)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Tina(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lindsay (Med Device)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Janette(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

ControversyAilia admits to porn at 16 with fake ID

ControversyAilia red-carded: wouldn't be surprised if Brian got shot like Charlie Kirk

Key MomentBrian vs V: extended feminism definition debate (~80 min)

Key MomentRachel: married guitarist, divorced, married lead singer of same band

Key MomentV's ectopic pregnancy at 19 in drug rehab

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

9 guests. Ailia admits to porn at 16 with fake ID.

Ailia Ejection

Red-carded after Charlie Kirk death threat comment and underage porn admission.

Pasty George iPhone Gift

$2,000 donation for iPhone 17 Pro, unboxed on stream.

Feminism Definition Debate

Brian vs V: ~80 min debate on feminism, advocacy vs equality.

V Ectopic Pregnancy Story

Pregnant at 19 in rehab. Ex threatened to block her if she didn't abort.

Transcript

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Felicity>> well, >> it's totally she's what, like >> 18, 20, mind you. Like, these people are super rare. >> Super super super rare. There's >> Sophie R. There's only one Sophie Rain.

FelicityLike, you don't see it's not very common to see like Only Fans girls making like millions and millions and millions like Sophie Rain level. Well, I mean, there are pretty successful Only Fans women, but you said for a man. >> Well,

Felicity>> which is a lot. They don't really do Only Fans. >> Well, no, I don't I don't do Only Fans. >> Oh, what do you do? >> This >> I'm just like Brian's bodyguard. >> Oh, cool.

Ailia Purr>> That's cute. I love that. >> Kidding. Um, it's 10 million. But do you do you understand that like net worth is not equal to like yearly salary? But what

Ailia Purrabout like okay actors make like 10 20 million. So it's like what if I fumble into an actor? >> I don't think many actors might

Ailia Purrtake Mia Khalifa for example Mia Khalifa >> is probably making around that and she's like dating A-list actors. So it is slightly canled. >> Well me Khalifa is really famous.

Ailia Purr>> Yeah. >> I mean she did do porn. You're right. But like >> I just think it's possible. If it's been done, why can't another person fall in that if they really want that drive and ambition, you know? >> Is Mia Khalifa married? >> No, I don't think so. She's also like

Felicitylost like so much money in brand deals after >> she also stopped doing porn. Yeah. Her uh >> But like you understand that like net worth is not equal to yearly income. >> Do you know what that is?

Ailia Purr>> Like yearly income like >> So like yearly income is like how much you make in a year. Let's say you invest a bunch of properties and you're bringing in that from multiple sources of income and you're bringing in that number yearly. Like it's doable. Like I don't know why it's doable, but I'm trying to make a point that it's a lot

Ailia Purrharder than you think >> you can make. >> You asked a question. I just answered what I thought would be my number. >> 10 million's quite obsess. >> Well, I can say it's 10 million. The shit's fake anyways. You can just say 10 million. Like

Tina>> do you think you're a $10 million woman? >> I do. Do you think you are? >> She didn't say that I was. But I don't think that a man that makes 10 million would want a woman that has busted it wide open on the internet and would marry her.

Ailia Purr>> I mean, there is somebody for everyone considering you like got manipulated and like cheated on. I think there's somebody for everyone. >> Bust it wide open. >> And getting manipulated and cheated on

Tinais besides the factor you came in here bragging about being 16 and lying about it and saying you did porn. I also >> Do you see the problem? I might have got manipulated and cheated on, but I also

Tinahave a man that is way above your caliber and would never date somebody like you. And I am the happiest I've ever been in my life. And I'm comfortable in my own skin that I don't have to bust it wide open on the

Tinainternet for thousands or millions of people to see. And possibly your future children, which let's hope you don't procreate because I want my future children see me busting it open on the internet. I think that's empowering. I think that's empowering.

Felicity>> No, I genuinely think that's empowering. How will that empower your children? >> But like back to the question, like do you understand the difference between net worth and salary? >> No. >> Well, net worth is like how much you're worth and then yearly is like what

Janetteyou're bringing in. >> So it's like I do understand it. >> I do understand. >> But you still pick >> 10 million period. Next question. >> Okay. What? >> She's ready, guys. Um I would like someone to have an a yearly salary

Janettethat's exceeds what I've earned myself. So 350 to 500,000. Dang. That's how much you make. >> I Well, I used to. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> Um, like 70 to 80,000.

Tina>> Okay. >> 100. >> Okay. Um, I said 80,000, but actually I also wouldn't mind being the bread winner. Oh, I dropped something. Um, I I like

Tinagoing to work, but I like being a mom, too. So, thank you. Um, if I had somebody that wanted to be a stay-at-home dad and was willing to do that and he still provides for me and takes care of me in other ways and takes

Tinacare of the household in other ways, then that's fine with me. But realistically, in California, you have to be a twoinome household. You can't be a one inome household. Um, unless you

Felicityknow you're making millions. But yeah, honestly, you're all pretty agreeable besides Sorry, 10 mil. No offense. Um, maybe maybe offense. I don't know. No hard feelings. Um, and then 350. How

Janettewhat do you do? >> So, I used to be an online content creator, >> right? Okay. Yeah. >> But I spun that into other businesses, apparel, sales, and whatnot. So, >> Okay. See, she's an example of self

Janettesuccess. She's an entrepreneur and like, >> well, honey, >> there's a long story after the fact, though. I mean, I didn't do it for very long. I didn't do it the same way you did and it I have many debts to pay because of it emotionally. So,

Janette>> yeah, I did try to do the best I could with it. that I did run a legitimate business. I spun it into, you know, going to DC to meet the president. There was a lot that happened. >> She's super successful. >> I worked at Turning Point one. Yeah, there's a long story there. But the way

Janettethat you're presenting yourself publicly and and and bragging about being a [ __ ] like your your time is limited and the clock is ticking and it's not going to age well. >> And she can talk from firstirhand

Janetteexperience, not secondary. >> I think you're very admirable. >> A >> me. Oh, thank you. I just, you know, we all make choices, especially if you're going to go into that industry that you

Janettethink are empowering you. And in some ways it does, but the overall long-term consequences is that you're going to be viewed through a very specific lens for the rest of your life. And that is a debt that is very hard to pay. So, I

Janettejust want to be a warning to all of you that the money is great and when you're in it, you think that that price is totally worth it. But there's a lot that's going to come up in ways that you cannot even imagine that will haunt you.

FelicitySo, I just, you know, taking the short fun ride is not worth it long term. >> Maybe some of us just like sucking dick on camera. Like, I don't see why. >> So, next question. >> Um, how tall are you and what is the minimum height of a man you would date?

V (Van/April)Starting with you? >> I said five. I'm 5'5 and I also said 5'5 cuz it's like I don't know. I wouldn't want like a dude shorter than me cuz it's weird cuddling a dude with like

V (Van/April)shorter legs than you. You know what I mean, Shane? But like, you know, if they like say height's like fine, you know. >> Okay. What about you?

Rachel (Yoga)>> Yeah, I said the same thing. I'm 5'7, so somebody like 5'7 or above. >> Okay. What about you? >> I'm 5'4. I dated someone who's like 5'6. 5'7.

Ailia PurrThis is a little short. >> So, so maybe 56. Oh, 5'8. >> Yeah, I think I put 5'7, but >> Okay. What about What about you? a little. I'm 5'2. I just said a guy

Ailia Purrthat's taller than me. I just like maybe like 5'9, 6 foot like skinny Timothy Shalomé boyfriend. I'd be down for that. >> But when you say So when you say taller, you mean like >> like just like taller? Cuz I'm short. So just like a guy that's just like a

Ailia Purrlittle bit taller. >> Okay. You're 5'2. You want someone 5'9? >> Yeah. I mean I like short kings. That'd be fun. But I don't know if I >> How short? How short? >> Maybe like here. That'd be cute. >> You would date someone shorter than you?

Ailia PurrWell, maybe because I can like cradle him like a little baby. Be like, "Come here." I can cuck him easier. I'd be like, "Come here." >> A [ __ ] >> Yes, that would be so cute. I would love to date a [ __ ] >> I think that might be offensive. I think it's >> Oh, I'm sorry.

Ailia Purr>> I don't I don't know. >> I think it is a little I think it all depends on each one. They all have different categories and preferences. >> Yeah. Some like it, some don't. >> Yeah. >> A small person. I wouldn't mind dating a small person.

Janette>> Okay. Better better rewarding. Um Okay. What about you? I'm 5'8, but in heels can be up to six foot one. So, I do like someone taller than me, which can be challenging. So, yeah, six foot at least. >> Okay, I get that. I feel tall.

Felicity>> You're very tall. >> I'm actually only like 5'5 and a half. >> You seem that tall, but you're much taller than you have a long torso. >> Yes, I'm slim and I have a long torso.

Olivia (VA)Anyways, not about me. Um, next I'm 49, so honestly, it's kind of easier to be taller than it doesn't take much to be tall. >> She's like 5'2 as tall. Yeah. So, um I

Olivia (VA)Yeah, I would just date someone. I would say I'm I am attracted to like taller guys, but I would date all. >> Which is all guys. Technically. Technically all guys. Yes. >> Have you noticed the trend that super tall men love really short women?

Janette>> Yes. >> Yeah. I that's 49 dated someone that's 6'4 >> and they loved it. >> Yeah. >> I I have so many questions. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 65. >> It's probably like a fetish like they're into

Felicity>> Actually, it wasn't a fetish. They kind of just like met and hit it off and >> lot have logistics questions. >> Um, okay. >> So, you would date someone like 5 feet?

Olivia (VA)>> Um, I guess that's 4 in taller than you. >> To be honest, my my ex, he was like 5'4, but he was still like half a foot taller than me. >> Yeah. >> So, it was

Lindsay (Med Device)>> I don't know. >> Short shorts for short queens. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. Next, >> I am 5'4 or 5'5. We're kind of It just

Lindsay (Med Device)depends on the day. And I don't know, like 510 and up. I I know. I'm I'm going to be honest. I'm not really a big fan of someone shorter than me or same height, but you know what? Maybe.

Tina>> You never know. >> Yeah. But >> Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. Next. Um, I'm 5'4 and I said 5'8 just cuz if I don't wear heels anymore, but if I did, I at least want to like have you a little bit taller

Felicitythan me. Just a little bit. >> Got it. Okay. What years were were were World War I?

V (Van/April)>> 1910 to 1918 to 19 40. I don't know. >> 1918 to 19 >> maybe 1920. I don't know. >> Okay. >> You should have everyone goes >> 14 to 1918.

Ailia Purr>> I don't know. >> 14 to 18. >> Okay. What do you think? >> What was the question? >> What years were World War I? >> I don't know. Probably like the 1600s. >> Pearl. Come on.

Ailia Purr>> You were so close. So close. >> Oh, it's like the 1700s. >> No. >> Did you drop out of school? That's a serious question. >> Well, see, I'm Native American, so like >> remember that. >> So, like my people got colonized, so I

Ailia Purrtechn got colonized. So, I'm just trying to think like, wasn't World War II near like when Christopher Columbus was colonizing? >> No, World War I. >> One, not two. >> I don't really care about the war. I'm not going to lie. It's kind of

V (Van/April)overrated. >> Overrated. So many lives were lost. Oh, wait. I forgot who we're talking about. >> Honestly, I unfortunately didn't pay attention to history class. >> I really didn't. You know, final answer

Felicityis >> 1600s. >> How long like how many years do you think it was? like it was like five years. >> Okay. Next. >> It's been a long time since I learned

Olivia (VA)that. I'm g say 1912. >> Okay. Next. >> Um 19 I think it started in 1912 to 1914. >> Mhm. Next. >> 1914 to 1918.

Felicity>> Next. >> I think like 1918 to 1922. >> So the answer is 1914 to 1918. What about >> World War II?

ClaireUh, pass. You have to guess. In the 1940s. Okay. Next. 1930s to 40s. Next. >> 39 to 45.

Olivia (VA)>> Next. Come on. You got this. >> Well, it's never been saying the 1940s. Maybe just be like 1960s. >> Okay. Next.

Olivia (VA)40 to 45. Next. Um, somewhere in the 1930s to 1940s. Excellent. >> Should I go? Oh,

Brian Atlas>> 1939 to 1945. >> 42 to 46. >> Wow. Wow. Good job, guys. I was listening to all

Brian Atlasthose answers. That was >> He's back. >> Really stunning work. >> Uh, scared. We're going to get into some one of you had specific criticisms for me that we're going to get into here in just a moment, but from what I was

Brian Atlaslistening to, I wanted to just touch on it very quickly. Uh, okay. Same as I Okay,

Brian Atlas10 million for you. >> Make it rain, baby. Come on. >> Okay. Yeah, you'd probably be lucky to date a

Brian AtlasMcDonald's worker, but um and then for you, 350 to 500,000. >> Okay. Um

Brian Atlashow much do you make currently? >> I've been a housewife and he made well over a million dollars a year. >> Okay. Uh so 350K, that's the bare minimum. >> You know, it's circumstantial. It's not

Janettethe bare minimum. I mean, if I meet the love of my life, I'll take a lot less. >> But, you know, in general, that would be a preference to have someone that has reached a certain financial status that I've already experienced on my own

Brian Atlas>> and a certain standard of living that I've become accustomed to. Yes. >> And when you were making good money, how much were you making? >> Um,

Janetteat the height, probably 70 to 100,000 a month. >> Okay. Gotcha. Um, but is that you do you have savings or is that all gone?

Janette>> Um, well, I had plenty of savings when I met my husband, so I do not have that anymore that went into our lifestyle, our businesses and whatnot. >> Okay. >> Mhm.

Janette>> I mean, you don't have any stocks or like any >> I have a I have crypto and whatnot, XRP. So, yes, but we're all battling this through the divorce right now. >> Oh, okay. So, he's going to get he's going to get something in the divorce

Janetteelement. >> Um, he was No. Well, he again he I'm going to get something out of this. We're splitting things. >> Better not have signed a prenup. >> We didn't sign a prenup. And when I met him, I didn't know I didn't think he

Janetteeven had a job when I met him. Um, but he was in cannabis and it was very successful. We lived a very comfortable lifestyle. I had 22 karat of diamonds on my finger. So, um, we'll see. Cannabis is really lucrative out here. I mean

Janetteeverywhere nowadays when the laws you know certain things they flooded the law the the whole system with a lot of different licenses and gave everyone a permit to grow and it became very expensive to grow more so to produce it than to sell it. >> Yep.

Janette>> She was also a part of Turning Point. >> I didn't make money with Turning Point but I did I did sell my MAGA hats. >> So >> you're a Trumpy.

Ailia Purr>> Does it matter? >> No. I was insane. That's hot. Oh, >> we love a woman who stands in her politics. >> I did. I did. My experience at Turning Point was interesting. >> You're honestly really cool. Like, aside

Brian Atlasfrom all the troll content, you're actually really cool. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Oh my god. >> All right. Um, let me see who else. So,

Brian Atlas300 or 10 mil, 350 to 500, 80,000 for you, 100,000 for you, 80k for you. All right. Would any of you consider Well, I mean, you say bare minimum. You guys all

Brian Atlassay minimum. Sounds like you wouldn't settle for less. Um, maybe we'll get into the salary stuff a little bit later. Uh, let's see here.

Brian AtlasWe're going to just dive in to the criticisms. I apologize, guys, that I step away for a moment. So, let's see.

Brian AtlasWhere do we begin? We're going to start. One sec, guys. Oh, really quick. I just wanted to ask um we've had Charlie Kirk on the show. Quick question. How do you guys I know

Brian Atlasit happened like >> it was about about a month ago at this point. >> Um >> two days ago. >> Do you guys feel like uh

V (Van/April)how do you feel about his assassination? Starting with you. Um, it's terrible that I don't think gun violence should

V (Van/April)be fought with more gun violence. Wait, like you know, like he was against Sorry, I'm like so tired >> for guns. >> I got two hours of sleep. I'm not going

Brian Atlasto lie, before the show, >> bro. I don't know why these [ __ ] No offense. I'm going to call you. Like, you've asked to be on the show.

Brian AtlasLike you willing you could have tried to get some sleep before. >> I tried I worked >> instead you were out. Okay. >> I worked a shift till 5 in the morning. >> Oh, you

Brian Atlas>> all right. Well, your lack of preparation doesn't constitute some obligation for me to relinquish any expectation that you show up to this engagement. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Like coherent, >> right? >> Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Well, I don't think >> um >> Why don't you just answer the question,

V (Van/April)please? >> I don't think Holy [ __ ] It's like a child. >> It should be a political debate. I do not think it should be a political debate. I don't think a death should be a political debate.

V (Van/April)>> I agree. What do you think about his assassination justified? >> Well, again, I don't think it should be a political debate. People make it a political debate online. So,

Brian Atlas>> okay. Uh, do you think it's justified that people were celebrating his death? >> No. No. >> Okay. Were you celebrating his death? >> I don't think anyone should celebrate

Claireany death. >> Okay. What do you think? >> Um, obviously I don't think that it should be celebrated, but for me it's just kind of like indifferent. Like yes,

Brian Atlasit is sad as any gun violence is >> indifferent. Okay. Um do you think justified though the assassination? >> No.

Claire>> What about people who are celebrating? Do you think you can understand why or do you abhore that? >> Um I don't think it should be celebrated. But I mean, people are just kind of

Clairesaying like what I from what I've heard that like he was four, you know, he said that like >> sorry >> that like there should be deaths every year at like you know

Tinathat's not what he said. >> That's not what he said. >> He was not for gun violence. He was for the second amendment right which is to bear arms. >> He was not for going out and senselessly killing people.

Brian Atlas>> Well, yeah, obviously. Well, and so consequentially that would entail that conceivably there could by granting people the second amendment right con a consequence of

Brian Atlasthat consequentially there would be deaths in the same way that we let people drive but a consequence of that is there's what is it 50,000

Brian Atlascar deaths per year I don't know if anybody have the exact numbers there's car deaths a year injuries ries all the time, but people can still own cars, people can buy cars, people can drive,

Brian Atlasright? So, that's essentially his argument. What do you think? Quick answers on this if you can. >> Oh, man. Um, I think it was awful. I >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> What do you think?

Ailia Purr>> Um, I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was. I thought he was an actor who played in the Spongebob musical until I Googled him and that's kind of it. I was like, damn. But also, I don't think celebrating his death is like that should be celebrated. But also, I don't

Ailia Purragree with gun violence. But also, like that goes to show that like we don't actually have as much freedom of speech as we think we do because if we did, then he would still be here. >> What do you think? >> I think it's a huge loss for the our

Tinaentire generation. He was one of the most brilliant minds to have existed. >> I thought it was awful. Horrifying. >> I don't agree with it. I think that it's terrible that you get gunned down for

Brian Atlaswhat you say. >> All right. Uh, somebody got some merch. Uh, looks like you bought a hoodie and the t-shirt. Thank you, whoever that was. Thank you, shop. If you want to get

Brian Atlasyourself something. Okay. How um I need somebody to be a reader for. Can you read for me? Can you see the >> I'm not that old. How much do you want your man to make? As a garbage man, I

Janettetake home just above 100,000 a year. Is that enough for you knowing I smell like garbage every day and you have to do my laundry?

Janette>> So take home that's what like 60 grand, 50 grand. >> Taxes out here are insane. So >> you're really selling yourself with the

Brian Atlasgarbage. >> For for everybody here who wants a guy who makes $100,000 or more, would you date a guy You know what? I'll make it a little flowery. Who's in the waste management business?

Janette>> Like Tony Soprano? >> Like Tony Sopran? >> No, like actually a garbage man. >> Okay. So that's >> Would you Yeah. Would you date a guy? >> I mean you the telling me that you're

Brian Atlasgoing to smell like garbage and I have to do your laundry. I'm going to say no. >> Yeah. >> I'm not dating. >> What about you, Lindsay? >> I'm take it situationally.

Claire>> Situationally. Okay. All right. Uh, okay. And then we have I'm going to have Claire, you're going to read this one. >> I like chair five, but requiring 350K at

Claireage 43 is pretty unreasonable. You're not trying to get that guy. I make that much and none of my peers are going to be enough for you at that age.

SPEAKER_00>> Your response? >> I'm sorry. >> She apologizes. Yeah, >> maybe it's a little bit like this. >> I'd like to take this chance to apologize

Brian Atlas>> to absolutely nobody. >> All right. Uh, okay. Let's get into Hold on. Uh, Rachel. >> Uh,

Brian Atlas>> oh, [Music] >> you said generally overall you like Brian, though there's no chance in all hell you would ever bow for a man. >> That's true.

Brian Atlas>> You think it's degrading? I do. >> And it's disgusting and weird that anyone would want that. So >> disgusting and weird that I would want. So I'm disgusting and weird. Let's dive into that though.

Brian Atlas>> Great. >> Um so first tell me um let me just see. Well, you're currently married, right? >> Yes. >> If your husband tomorrow I hope he's watching because I'm going to tell him

Rachel (Yoga)that he's now going to demand that you bow for him. >> He he's also Japanese so he might actually >> Well, he definitely should. He definitely got to get on that [ __ ] >> Park Japanese. >> He watches the show. He becomes a big

Brian Atlasfan and he's like, "You know what, Brian's on he's on to something with the whole the bow thing. You go home after this podcast, your husband." And he's like, "You know what? I was

Brian Atlaswatching the podcast." >> Brian makes a lot of sense. And he asks you from now on to bow, are you divorcing him? >> No, I just won't do it. >> You You won't do it. Are you Christian? No.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, right. That's right. You're not Christian. >> I don't know. Okay. >> Um. All right. Uh, okay. There's no circumstance under which you would >> you would bow? >> No. >> Mm- No.

Brian Atlas>> What if your husband said what if your husband said, >> "If you don't do this, I'm divorcing you." Not saying that that you should do that, but would you do it then? Like, it's that much of a deal breaker.

Rachel (Yoga)>> Um, no. I would not. So it's demeaning no matter what the circumstance I give my >> I don't know that it's demeaning especially because it's like part of the maybe well he's not he did not grow up

Rachel (Yoga)in Japan he's only part Japanese so it is like part of that culture it's not part of our culture so why >> I mean if I'm married to a man I want to please him I want to make him happy and I want him to do the same for me so if I

Rachel (Yoga)asked him to bow because I enjoyed it and it made me happy and we could have a laugh I would hope that he would say yes to that >> can I make him happy in a thousand other ways Sure. But if that's what their particular request is, I just I don't I

Rachel (Yoga)don't think it's hurting anyone. I'm not saying you're wrong for your answer. >> Just question just curious. >> I did already ask him and he said if I did it, he'd laugh in my face.

Brian AtlasSo, >> well, yeah, I understand the the bow thing seems, at least in American culture, seems a little out of place,

Brian Atlas>> especially as a pale white man asking for it. Although, it's not like to me it's not like trying to appropriate >> No, not

Brian Atlas>> like what I'm doing. I'm not like trying to be Japanese or some [ __ ] However, it is it is an interesting tell on I think it's like a great temperature

Brian Atlascheck for how that relationship's going to go. But before I get into my position as to why I'm for it, um I'd like to understand your position a little bit better. So, you say it's degrading. You

Brian Atlassay it is Hold on. I got to find the notes again. You say it's degrading. Um disgusting and weird. Uh, >> you did say that.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Perhaps I would grant that it's weird in so far as it's uncommon in that way. Um, how's it degrading though? >> Because why do you want me to bow to

Rachel (Yoga)you? Like, am I your servant? Do I serve you? I do ser do a lot of stuff, but if he asks me to do anything else, he calls me, can you make dinner? Can you do

Rachel (Yoga)laundry? Can you make sure that my socks are ready for work? Whatever, I will do it. Well, I don't understand the bow. I won't do it. >> Okay. >> I I'm definitely not the only person. >> Sure. A lot of people seem a little uh

Brian Atlasbamboozled a little by >> I don't know why you would want it. >> Yeah, I'll explain it in just a bit. But I What about it >> be funny? >> Removing removing the intention or motivation

Brian Atlasbehind the person who wants it. What in and of itself of act like doing the actual action itself, what is disgusting about it? Disgusting might be a not good word to

Rachel (Yoga)use. I was just like degrading and disgusting going on. But >> okay, well, how's it degrading in and of itself?

Rachel (Yoga)>> Because I don't there's no purpose at all other than that you want me to bow to you. There's no other purpose. >> Okay.

Brian AtlasAnd okay, let me ask you this. Um, do you believe in chivalry? Yeah. >> What purpose does chivalry serve?

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. Just >> But women quite frequently want men to act in a chivalous way. They want men to be chivalous. For example, would you want a man or would you at

Brian Atlasleast acknowledge that it is under the purview of chivalry for a man to open a woman's car door? >> Sure.

Brian Atlasfor why women have respect that while while women are uh not as physically strong as men. >> Women have the physical cap capacity to

Brian Atlasopen a car door, they can do it. It's >> it requires more effort for the man to do it. He has to walk out, >> you know, get out of the car. I mean, it depends the circumstances. Either he's

Brian Atlasalready outside the car, has to open the car, go around the car. Why should a man do that? Well, I don't expect that, but I do think it's nice >> and I think it's

Brian Atlas>> for a woman to bow, but there's other forms of chivalry where there's much higher expectation. Um, I almost think we should maybe watch the bow video >> just to show the guests here. Maybe some

Brian Atlasaren't familiar. Why don't we pull up the bow video just to give people context? >> Oh, of York's girlfriend. >> Yeah, this is a video. I I I do this because

Brian Atlasit's like a a tutorial, an instruction manual for future girlfriends. Instead of having to like explain it, it's just I feel like it's helpful to give women a visual aid,

Brian Atlasshow them a video, you know, that way they know like a, you know, so I I took this video so I could show future girlfriends expectations. I recorded

Brian Atlasthis after a long day doing a podcast. Go ahead, play it.

Brian AtlasHuge bow, the great depth, submissive hand posture. Love to see it. And of course, you know, I getting my laundry.

Brian AtlasYep. And then my dinner's ready. Got to love that. Dinner's ready. Unprompted. Don't have to ask. Ready to go. Cracks

Brian Atlasopen a beer for me. I don't even drink beer, but I just have it there anyways. I dumped her though for the You see the in the corner right corner there's like those tomatoes. That's disgusting. I had

Brian Atlasto dump her because of that. Absolutely ridiculous. Play the bow one more time. >> Huge bow. This is expectation. I get home. I'm handling everything. By the

Brian Atlasway, she's not working. I'm handling all the finances. I just want a bow when I get home. >> What the [ __ ] >> I'm at home [ __ ] not the only one.

Brian AtlasI'm That's fine. Nick, do you remember those memes of like Yes. I Oh, wait. Where would it be? >> Why would anyone bow to a man? >> It's going to be in the Discord. Nick, >> why would a woman bow to a man? >> Where is it? Hold on. I'm trying to find it.

Tina>> Well, I would bow for my man because he stepped up, first of all, to be a father to a child that is not his. He provides for me in ways that other men have never >> resources. >> And if it makes them happy and that's something that he wants, then yeah, why not? It's just like cooking dinner for

Tinahim. >> Yes, you are all wrong. feel like you're lesser than him. >> It's like four to being lesser. It's it's he will even tell you that he is my equal. We are about to have it. >> He would. He probably would.

Tina>> That's cool. If a dude bowed to me, I would be grossed out. >> I don't want him to. I think that's so But just like if he were to open my door for me because that's chiverous, I would bow for him. >> Uh tab over to the other one. >> You're lying.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I think I'm >> No, I'm not. I really would. We already had. >> You are all wrong. Tab over. to the other one. >> I think >> No, that just Yeah, that one. Yes, you're that's me. I don't care if a

Brian Atlasmillion people think this is silly or whatever. Don't care. I'm willing to stand up for what I believe in. So, um >> yeah, my position is simply if I'm going

Brian Atlasto be hustling to the point that this woman I'm with never has to work ever and I'm taking care of everything financially, everything is taken care of for her, then my expectation is Yes.

Ailia Purr>> Yeah. I'm honestly too goed out to say that. I feel like the thing that comes to my mind about the bowing is like that Asian girl is kind of hot and I lowkey just like would want to see her like squirt those cherry tomatoes out her vagina into her man's

Ailia Purrmouth. >> What does gooned out mean? Okay, >> so that is what I I would expect that from like my other. >> Does that make sense? >> You're [ __ ] vulgar lady. >> Can we not cuss on this? Is this >> No, it's just like

Brian Atlas>> is this a non-cussing thing? >> No, you don't have to cuss to say the vulgar things that you're saying. talking about putting tomatoes in vagina. The [ __ ] dude. >> Well, all right. I'll get >> That's a real woman, though.

Brian Atlas>> I'm going to figure I'm going to get to my point and then I'm going to address you. So, >> back to this. Go ahead. >> Anything else? Almost anything else, I

Brian Atlasdo not want to bow. >> Why not? >> What's it? >> But you can I ask you a question? You acknowledge it takes it's completely benign. Like the actual silly >> it takes no effort. Maybe that's why. >> But it takes no effort, right?

Brian Atlas>> No effort. Sure. >> Is there anything in terms of chivalry that men should do? >> Should men pay for dates? >> Sometimes.

Rachel (Yoga)>> Uh sometimes. >> You're currently married. Um is your husband the bread winner? >> No. >> Okay. And does he pay for dates?

Rachel (Yoga)>> We pay for dates together. We make about >> How about When you guys first met, would he pay for dates? >> We didn't really go on dates actually. We just hung out. >> Never ordered food,

Brian Atlas>> never got >> We probably split it like probably sometimes him, sometimes me. >> All right. Have you ever with other men you've dated, have you ever had the experience that typically they tend to pay for dates?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. And would you acknowledge that while your situation might be unique, I would argue overwhelmingly the majority of women, whether they're conservative or even liberal, even feminist, do you

Brian Atlastypically have an expectation or at least strongly prefer men to pay for dates? >> Yeah. Can I make a comment about that? >> Well, answer my question first, then make your >> comment. Definitely. Yeah.

Rachel (Yoga)>> Yeah. I think most women do >> now. And I know lots of people say the person who initiated the date should be the person who pays. But generally, who

Rachel (Yoga)asks who on a date? Generally, it's going to be the guy. I mean, >> but if you say, "Will you go on a date with me to this really expensive restaurant?" And I say yes, that is not something I was planning to pay for

Rachel (Yoga)until you ask me. So, what if I don't have >> $200 to go on the date? You asked me on the date. It's not something I'm like budgeting for. You asked me. >> Yeah, I totally agree with you. That's irrelevant though. >> How?

Brian Atlas>> I'm just saying if you >> It has nothing to do with the central >> then you >> Yeah. So, I I would agree with you. If you're like a 30year-old going out with a 21-year-old and you're going to go take her to Nou or some really expensive

Brian Atlasrestaurant, yeah, you should pay for it. Um, if you're of comparable ages, well, look, actually, I think generally speaking, men should pay across the board. It's just like the most even

Brian Atlasthough I can make like a bird's eye view analysis of like yeah that's inequality um men for the most optimum chess move on the dating board you should just pay

Brian Atlasas a guy that's the most optimum move. Um but my point would be to this idea that okay well

Brian Atlasuh men are overwhelmingly the me the the askers right so this idea that whoever I should pay conveniently does ignore that

Brian Atlaswomen really don't take that level of initiative generally speaking >> now that's not to say some women shoot their shot some women will go will ask

Brian Atlasthe guy out really rare so it's kind of like this whole whoever asked should pay thing. I would agree with that sentiment if it was the case that men and women

Brian Atlasasked each other out at comparable rates. If it was like 50/50 or 40 60, then I'd be like, "Yeah, you know what? Whoever I should pay, but it just conveniently ignores this this

Brian Atlasreally uh obvious thing that women don't shoot their shot. Women don't ask don't generally don't ask men out for first dates. Now, you might say, "Well, I I was dating this guy for 3 months and I

Brian Atlasasked him, well, okay, talking about like first, second, third dates. Women overwhelmingly are not initiators." >> Um, >> I don't think that's true. >> 100% true. >> 100% true.

Lindsay (Med Device)>> I think statistically it's true, but yeah, there are women that will ask, you know, guys out, but if we look at like >> What's >> not true? >> Women like >> men are going to ask women out more. >> Tell me what isn't Has anyone here asked

V (Van/April)a man out of >> Oh my god. I made it so clear that I'm talking. >> So exactly. >> He's talking about like, >> "Oh my god, holy shit." >> Like generally if we all have, then how is it rare statistically? Like that's

Brian Atlaslike >> Yeah. No. No. I love that. Here's what we do. >> Women in a room. >> Yeah. It doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter if every single one of you have had an experience where one time you

Brian Atlasasked the guy out and you paid for the date. We would then have to say of all the dates you've ever been on, if the breakdown is 90% of the time the guy pays and 10% of the time you pay, my

Brian Atlaspoint would still stand. Does that make sense? You're doing it. How would how Oh my god, bro. What? >> Just cuz we've done it once doesn't mean

Brian Atlasthat makes it the majority of time. >> My my point was not >> there's never in the history of the world has a woman ever asked a guy out. That wasn't my position. My position is

Brian Atlasoverwhelmingly, generally speaking, women don't initiate. And I would put that number at probably, I'm almost being generous, 90%. 90% of the time is probably higher. 90%

Brian Atlasof the time the guy's the one asking, the guy's doing the initiative, the guy's going to pay. >> Is this counter to your own experiences? >> No. No. I mean, not really. Like, I

V (Van/April)guess >> you've been on how many first dates? A lot. >> How many? >> Uh like um

Brian Atlasprobably more than 50. >> Okay. And then of the 50 first dates, by the way, not like you've been dating a guy for 3 years and you guys went to dinner. >> Uh

V (Van/April)>> 50 first dates, >> how many of those did you initiate? >> I don't know, maybe like 20%. I guess 10. Yeah, I guess you're right

V (Van/April)then. Like 10 or 20%. >> So you're I mean you're reinforcing my point. >> Yeah. No, I get it. I guess >> of the dates of the dates perspective. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

V (Van/April)>> Who paid for those dates? >> Honestly, I'm a 50/50 girl. Sometimes like I'll make the guy pay if I'm not that into him. But like >> Wait, you make the guy pay if you're not

Brian Atlasinto him? >> Yeah. That's interesting. Usually I hear the reverse. I hear if the girl's not feeling it, she'll want it to be 50/50. But okay. Um >> Well, cuz then it's just a waste of my money if I wasn't in there, right? You

Brian Atlasknow, >> but again, I'm a bit confused. So even in here's my confusion. Even in your own experience, you would say 20% of the time the guy initiates.

Brian Atlas>> No, no, opposite. Like >> sorry. Yeah, I I mixed up my words. 20% of the time you initiate. 80% the guy initiates. >> Yeah. >> So that bolster that women don't

V (Van/April)initiate. >> I mean I guess but I think like generally women have initiated the first date. But I guess overall like

Brian Atlas>> yeah I don't dispute that whatsoever. It absolutely is the case that women do initiate. >> But what I'm talking about is it's rare. Like I think it's probably 90 9010.

V (Van/April)>> I don't know if it's rare. I feel like all women have at least once though. So >> they just want free food. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wait, have Sorry. Women all have one what? >> They all have at least once like initiated the first date,

Brian Atlas>> right? But if they've been on a hundred dates and one time they initiated, that means 99% of the time >> and in this ca there I've had many women on the show who said, >> "I've never initiated."

Brian Atlas>> Never once. >> Never once. Anybody else? Never. Anybody? Okay, >> when I want free food, >> let's get back to the bow thing here. Oh, hold on. Pasty George, I apologize.

SPEAKER_01My bad. >> Pasty George donated $200. Chair one, why should a woman vote to a man, you say? >> Well, why should a man vote to a woman when proposing to her for marriage?

Tina>> Is that standard practice? Cuz I haven't heard of that. >> Yeah, like getting down on one knee. Yeah, but that's not bowing. I think I kind of think >> I think he meant the getting down on when he thinks >> that is a good point.

Rachel (Yoga)>> That is a good point. That's a really >> but this happens one time cuz that's like >> twice >> but the majority you get proposed to or >> different. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, I would actually here's my

Brian Atlasargumentation here. So, if the expectation is the guy should pay on the first date, right? He pays for the whole bill and let's say it's not a super expensive place. Let's say 100 bucks total for the date. And that could be

Brian Atlasthat's I think that's pretty reasonable. That might even be a little bit on the slightly on the low end even. It's you know that's like Chili's. You'll pay 100

Lindsay (Med Device)bucks at Chili's for two people. Um not exactly like the most romantic. Uh >> but at Chili is a lot. I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Cocktail is like 40ucks. >> Appetizers two drinks main course. deserve coupon tip. >> Yeah, you're getting to a hundred bucks. Um, >> I mean, they got some deals now. >> They got some deals, but

Brian Atlas>> but like my thought process here for let's say a guy makes $20 an hour. >> $20 an hour. >> In order for him to take you on that date, he has to work five hours. Well, I that's before whatever. Let's say he

Brian Atlasjust makes 20 bucks an hour. Not not going to get complicate things with tax. He has to work five hours to take you on the date. Now, you might say, "Well, hold on. Half of it is for him. So that would be two and a half hours, right? 50 bucks

Brian Atlasfor you, 50 bucks for him. He has to work two and a half hours. If a woman bows every single time, that takes 3 seconds. That's like equal to one like total time. If we're doing the math

Brian Atlashere, total time, that's like one date maybe over a lifetime. If she's bound to me every single day for like 70 years or well, 50, 40, 50, whatever, however

Brian Atlasmany, I don't know. I might die. Who knows when I'm whatever. Who knows how long I'm going to live? Kind of like, and I'm going to be taking her on all these dates and when we're together, when she has kids, she's never

Brian Atlasgoing to have to work. I'll take care of everything. >> But what if I don't want you to take care of everything? I like working. Well, look, there there is a financial

Brian Atlasand economic reality that there are men and women out there who um while the man isn't going to earn a high enough income for that.

Brian Atlasum and maybe you're going to have more of a 50/50 relationship, but there are a lot of men who are going to want to be

Brian Atlassoul breadwinners who do want to take on more of a leadership role in the relationship. Also, even this idea that if you both are financially providing for the relationship, and perhaps that

Brian Atlasis the financial and economic reality for the vast majority of people, uh you're still going to look to your man, I assume, to adhere to certain traditional gender roles. Like, you're

Brian Atlasgoing to want a man who's a leader, who's decisive, who's masculine. Like, I hear this complaint even from liberal progressive women. >> Oh my god. Oh,

Brian Atlasyou know, he he he just asks me I ask him what what about dinner and he's like, "Oh, whatever you want, babe. You pick." And some women are okay with

Brian Atlasthat, I guess. But a lot of women are like, "I'd prefer a guy who's like, "No, we're going here. Get uh be ready at 7:00 p.m. wear this. I'm picking up." They Some women want that, right? So, I

Brian Atlaswould argue even if you guys are both financially contributing equally, even in those relationships, you're still going to look to your boyfriend or husband, to act in a certain way that is more within a masculine traditional

Rachel (Yoga)gender role. >> But I still act in a pretty consistent gender role as well. Like, I stay home with the kids every single day. I take the my daughter to school. I make

Rachel (Yoga)dinner. Like I I do pretty much fall into like I'd say gender roles are a good fall back, but they don't always have to

Rachel (Yoga)be this exact thing like exact like maybe some things. >> So like what >> what's negotiable? Like my husband helps me with the

Rachel (Yoga)laundry and the dishes and generally would probably say generally as a gender role you'd probably say the woman's doing the

V (Van/April)dishes and laundry, >> but he always helps me every day. Yeah, my ex did that too when I lived with him. He liked like the [ __ ] I didn't want to do, you know? Okay, look, I

Brian Atlasthink it's okay for you to you guys to want to be 50/50, but like I think you should genuinely be be 50/50 in all dimensions, at least attempt to in all

Brian Atlasdimensions, in all realms. I don't see women uh abandoning the benefits of more traditional or or the benefits of gender

Brian Atlasexpectations and gender role dynamics. So, for example, when it comes to initiative, even like hyper progressive liberal women who want to be like boss babe 50/50 career women still probably

Brian Atlasgoing to look for the man to take initiative. Why aren't we having this push for women to take a more proactive approach to dating? Why don't women

Brian Atlasshoot their shot at comparable levels to when >> because of society? There's nothing preventing There's not a law that prevents women from doing this. Women are more free now than in any other

Brian Atlaspoint in human history. Women have more rights, more freedoms, more everything, more opportunity, more privilege than at any other point in human history. Women absolutely can shoot their shot. In

Brian Atlasfact, it's incredibly easy. You can even do it online now. So, this and and sort of uh having to uh skate around like a more upfront in-person rejection. How

Brian Atlasmany women have shot their shot with you first >> do you think recently I guess like do a lot >> I'm not a great example because I'm out there publicly I have this popular

Brian Atlaspodcast but yes I do get DM'd by women >> yeah would you >> what you're saying they don't why don't they think like okay you know

Brian Atlas>> the numbers for a public figure way different uh you know like Brad Pitt when he was 30 >> oh god >> you know all these women coming up to him. Let's map on Brad Pitt's experience

Brian Atlasto the experience of like average men. >> Mhm. >> The reality is I'm in this unique situation where I'm out there in the public pe but the average guy women aren't like sliding into his DMs. Women aren't doing that.

V (Van/April)>> But like >> I feel like if you're a goodlook guy, women will just like do that nowadays. >> Some do. That's true. There's a lot of

Lindsay (Med Device)women. But the majority is men or uh men have to pursue women for sure. >> But like you're saying that might be the case. >> Why don't they? But they do, >> right? But okay. So what what about like

Brian Atlasaverage men for example? Average I would argue that in terms of the sexual optionality, if in order to get the same sexual optionality as an average or even below

Brian Atlasaverage looking woman, >> you have to be a top 1% guy. >> Well, what do you mean? Oh yeah. So the frequency with which a top 1% guy is going to get DMs or like women

Brian Atlasapproaching him in public is probably like if he is equal to an average or below average looking woman. >> That makes sense. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So like the frequency with which even averagel looking women get approached or hit up in the DMs. >> So you're just calling men dogs, right? >> Because like

Brian Atlas>> not necessarily. But >> do you think men have standards when it comes to women? >> Uh yes, men do have standards. Although there's a differentiation between men who are just trying to have sex with

V (Van/April)women and then men who want relationships. Um but yes, women are pickier. I don't dis I don't disagree. Women are pickier. >> Yeah. >> But like I still think it depends on the

V (Van/April)woman's like morals and values in a relationship. Like if they genuinely like a guy who's like super insecure and they know that, then they'd probably be like like that. They'd at least drop the

Tinahint. You know what I mean? >> But you don't know if a guy is insecure or like that. >> You can tell if a guy is insecure. >> No, you not every single man. Some men carry themselves at a a really nice

Janette>> kind of fake it until you make it and other think of women. >> It's super easy to tell if a guy is insecure. I can speak from experience that some of the most what I thought

Janettewere confident, secure men, the cocky are but I couldn't tell that at first. That that was a present I got much later. >> Everybody can fake it till they make it.

SPEAKER_01>> Hasty George donated. >> Share three. Based on your answers and replies, I can already tell that your marriage won't last long and that you >> totally wrong. My husband's the best.

Brian Atlas>> Ridiculous claim. All right, people are husband. >> A >> uh just for the sake of this conversation, I think it would be helpful to point one thing out. >> When I'm saying these terms, when I'm

Brian Atlassaying something like women do X, >> uh this is this is a generalized statement. >> Yeah. >> So when I say women don't initiate, and sometimes I'll even preface it, I'll say

Brian Atlasgenerally. Um this isn't to say that women never do it. So if I say women don't initiate, that's a general statement. For example, >> hide it because they're going to be

Brian Atlasdistracted. >> If I were to say that humans have 10 fingers. >> Mhm. >> It is the case that some people are born >> with an extra digit.

Brian Atlas>> They have an extra finger. >> It's not wrong of me to say that humans have 10 fingers. >> Yeah. Now, yes, it is true. But I just for the sake of the conversation, I

Brian Atlaswould implore you not to do the but I know this exception to the rule. I'm talking about the general idea here. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um, where was I? >> What was I? Thank you, Pacy George, for the TTS, man. I appreciate it.

Brian Atlas>> Um, we're finishing up with the B. Does anybody What? Maybe I can ask this. Um, >> thank you, Tosh. >> Um, >> it's my bestie. A

Brian Atlas>> I guess related to the whole date thing, though. That's kind of where the segue started. >> I actually think women have higher expectations of of men. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Ailia Purr>> Not in this day and age. >> No, I think >> definitely not. >> You want a $10 million man, but you don't have high expectations. >> That's why I want a 10 million man. Cuz nowadays, guys are just like willingly giving out their money cuz they're just

Ailia Purrso gooned out. Like with Only Fans and Pornhub, like like men's standards have men's standards have dropped. Like there are there's no such thing as like, oh, I'm like, "Wow, you're such a high value

Ailia Purrman." And you look at his browser history and oh, there I Oh, hi. Now I see you. >> That's not his value for marriage, though. That's his value for >> the marriage is also overrated. Nobody's getting married in this generation. Like,

Brian Atlas>> all right, let's stick to the topic, please. So, Um, the bow. >> What were your >> bow? Will it ever end? >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> Can I respond to Pacy George from earlier?

Rachel (Yoga)>> Uh, >> yeah. >> Well, I disagree. We've been friends since 18. Like, so we've known each other the majority of our lives and

Rachel (Yoga)uh very very very happy both of us. So, I disagree. Um, let me ask you. >> If I say to my husband, "Bowing seems embarrassing to me, why would he

Brian Atlasmake me do something that's going to embarrass me every day if I'm like, I think it's embarrassing for you to come home and ask me to bow?" >> Yeah, sure. I mean, well, obviously there's a difference here because this

Brian Atlassort of thing would, for lack of a better word, would typically be ne negotiated, and it wouldn't be negotiated, but it would be established early on in the relationship. You guys have been together for eight years. >> 10.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, 10. >> Married date. You know, it's kind of like, for example, uh if you date a woman who's a sex

Brian Atlasworker and you knowingly you marry her, you kind of signed up for that. He's signed up for for you. This

Ailia Purris obviously something that you would want to present >> early >> early on. Although there's probably arguments that could be made that >> Yeah, but why is that a big deal if a woman is a sex worker and a guy wants to

Ailia Purrdate her? Being in a marriage, you're already a sex worker. So, it's like you're just a free sex worker. No, it's true. You're just a free sex worker. Basically, all you who are in relationships, you're all sex workers, but you're just getting [ __ ] for free. So, that's your only down.

Ailia Purr>> How How is a woman in a consensual relationship with a man essentially? >> Because she's having sex and she's working. She's a sex worker. Isn't he a sex worker, too? >> Sex workers. Exactly. So, you're all sex workers. So for you [ __ ] on a sex

Ailia Purrworker for a guy dating a sex worker technically marriage you're also being a sex worker [ __ ] on a sex worker. >> Being in a committed relationship and having intimacy does not make you a sex worker. >> You are a sex worker. You're just a free sex worker.

Brian Atlas>> Absolutely rich coming from you. >> So under your perspective nobody can have sex like anybody who has sex is immediately a sex worker.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. So the f two virgins, they have sex. They're they instantly become sex workers >> by virtue of having sex. >> Yes. >> I think it's sad that you can't differentiate the two at this point. >> Well, you're having sex. You're going to

Brian Atlaswork and that's >> I love that you're trying to I know you like your attention. Back to this uh we're finishing up the conversation about the bow. Um,

Brian Atlasyeah. I mean, ultimately, I would say in terms of what women want men to do for them, I think it's way more than the bow. But privilege is

Brian Atlasinvisible to those who have it. And I would say that a lot of the things that men do, women just sort of expect it, really haven't given it much thought. If

Brian Atlaswe look at the marriage ritual, the man has to get down on one knee, buy a ring, like I think kneeling, kneeling,

Brian Atlasthat's a that's worse than a bow. To kneel, like a bow, at least you stay on your feet. A kneel is really subservient. >> But same thing, you do that one time,

Brian Atlasyou want to bow every day for the rest of your life. >> Yeah. But the other the other component here is that he's got he's got to buy the ring. His money sometimes the expectations ring.

Rachel (Yoga)>> Okay. Well, you're a moderate. Congrats. You're >> Isn't that Don't you buy the man's ring. You bought mine. I >> feel like stop.

Brian Atlas>> What percentage? Oh my god. I get >> what percentage of the time when a ring is bought is it bought by the man >> 100%. >> Can we not do this thing? I already told

Rachel (Yoga)her. Can we not do this thing where like well I'm the exception to the rule. I'm speaking in generalities. >> I actually weird that if he bought my engagement ring, I bought his wedding

Brian Atlasring. Is that different? Like, do you actually not think to her point, do you do you think it's uncommon that typically the man pays for the ring and is the one who proposes? >> He did. He did. That wasn't what I was saying.

Janette>> Wait, what were you saying? I bought his wedding ring. He has a wedding ring, too. I was >> asking if it's common for the the fiance to then return the favor and ring the bought. I was already financially

Tinasupported by my fiance at the time. So, when we paid for his ring, it was, you know, he bought it. Yeah, but that's a great question. I don't actually answer to that. >> I think most men buy both of them. I could be wrong. I've never been proposed to or actually

Janettesurprised by that. >> Mass vast majority of men's ring cost a lot less than a woman's ring. Let's be clear. >> Yeah. The question is

Brian Atlas>> Did he spend more on the ring that he gave you than what you spent for his? >> Yes. >> Okay. we should try to avoid doing these like exception to the rule arguments because

Brian Atlasit's it's not really productive. Um but okay. Um so I'm just trying to get an understanding

Brian Atlashere. Guy should kneel. Guy should spend thousands of dollars on a ring >> but bowing bad. We can't guarantee a guy's

V (Van/April)going to propose, so why bow to a man every day who might not even like >> Well, why do anything for anybody then? >> Amen. >> Yeah. Well, but like I just don't see how

Brian Atlasthat's like >> I'm just I guess my question >> my question is so in a relationship there are things that you expect to go both ways. >> Yeah. >> You expect good communication. Uh that I

Brian Atlasmean these are sort of bare minimum things. I understand that frankly I think both men and women are lacking in this regard. Uh but women certainly aren't shy about complaining about men's poor communication skills. Although

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