Andrew Wilson vs. Charlie (Feminist, Leftist) | Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show?! | Whatever Debates #22

Date: 2025-11-09

Duration: 6h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCharlie (Feminist)>

AAndrew Wilson >

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Andrew Wilson(host)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05Charlie (Feminist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces Andrew Wilson vs Charlie debate on feminism

Key MomentAndrew: women voting on war while men die is 'fundamental injustice'

Key MomentBureau of Justice Statistics on interracial crime read aloud

Key MomentCharlie admits she doesn't know what 'per capita' means

Key MomentRachel Wilson crashes debate by phone after Charlie attacked her family

ControversyCharlie: Rachel's life 'would have been better spent' if she aborted her children

Key MomentCharlie reveals she was on testosterone for 10 years (FTMF detransitioner)

AgreementAndrew and Charlie bond over Tolkien and Lord of the Rings

Topics Discussed

COVID Lockdowns vs Feminist Choice

Andrew challenges Charlie: supported lockdowns but supports pro-choice. Inconsistency.

Women Voting / Draft

Andrew: unjust that women vote on war when men bear combat risk.

Abortion and Birth Control

Charlie argues abortion essential for economic equality.

Interracial Crime Statistics

Andrew presents DOJ stats. Charlie contests conviction reliability.

Colonialism and Anti-White Rhetoric

Extended debate on 'colonizer' definition.

Rachel Wilson Crashes Debate

Rachel calls in after Charlie's comments about her children.

LOTR and Tolkien

Post-debate friendly exchange on Tolkien, Christian allegory.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsondue to those biases that they believe that if you present as a woman and you're convincing enough that you're less capable than a man. Literally, I'm not kidding. That's your [ __ ] Ask Charlie if you think I'm wrong. That

Andrew Wilsonwould be their argument >> on the gender pay gap. >> Mhm. No. That nobody could ever demonstrate it to him because gender is a social construct.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Uh I don't think gender being a social construct really impacts the the the pay gap wages. I mean, I guess in the sense that Oh, Lord [sighs] have mercy. I was

Charlie (Feminist)warned to not discuss anything trans related or gender theory. So, I think I'm actually going to >> Who gave you all these warnings? >> Yeah. Wait, who? Yeah. Who warned you? >> People have done this before. >> Who were trying to not uh make sure I

Charlie (Feminist)don't [ __ ] up and look like an idiot? >> Well, they failed at that. But who were they? >> I don't want to say in case people get mad at them. >> Well, I'm not going to get mad at them. I just curious. any polite advice which was don't you know don't bring it to

Charlie (Feminist)trans stuff. Um you know pick out your definitions >> who >> people have done this before debates with you. >> Who? >> Come on tell me. I'm curious. >> Pixie.

Brian Atlas>> No >> not Pixie. >> No. >> Who did Who done it? >> Not going to say. >> Uh Intel Wild says Trump 2028. [laughter] What do you think? Are you

Brian Atlas>> Would you go Trump 2028? Would you vote for Trump? >> No. >> Oh, okay. >> No. >> Would you be willing to put on a MAGA hat right now? >> No. >> Okay. Just wanted to ask.

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Jay says, "All right, Chuck, doesn't seem you understand what a promiscuous person is. Give your definition. Try to apply to Rachel." >> Actually, I'm curious about this myself.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Oh, Lord have mercy. Um, this gets into uh a bit of classism here on my part. Um, so

Charlie (Feminist)>> I it feels like the the again this is on the the basis of if we're going by optics

Charlie (Feminist)having children with three men I think would look like to people like you are someone that sleeps around even if you aren't. that is what people will see when they when they look

Charlie (Feminist)at you. Um [snorts] whereas a woman who is promiscuous but never has a child because of it, she is essentially getting out uh scotch-free. >> Yeah. But do you see what you did there?

Andrew WilsonYou use a word concept fallacy. So you said based on societal structures because most women who have many children with multiple men are promiscuous.

Andrew Wilson>> The construct is is that the viewpoint will be that you are too. I actually agree with that. Rachel told you that when she was on the phone. Of course, she agrees with that, too. >> Oh, sorry. I thought that was mine.

Andrew Wilson>> But the question, but the word concept fallacy came in when you said, "But even though the optics are this way, it's Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you want a new one? >> Can I get a new cup, please? Can I [laughter] get a new cup?"

Brian Atlas>> Am I that gross? >> No, it's really nothing. Andrew, do you remember that one time where a little bit? >> I have it, too. >> We have so much in common. We have don't

Brian Atlas[music] >> Sorry, my bad. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um, all right. Wait, wait, wait. There's a few more coming through. We have you. This guy says he doesn't know you. The

SPEAKER_01man m man dro thing coming here in just a moment. Is it going to Why? There it is. Sorry for the delay. >> Mandawa donated $69.

SPEAKER_01I don't recall ever being in your DMs for anything, but since you brought it up, would you hook me up with Palm B? Anyone that wouldn't want that is blind as rainbows.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Fair enough. I could be remembering the wrong person. >> You've done that a lot tonight. Remembered the wrong situation with the wrong people.

Charlie (Feminist)>> I mean, I'm not going to lie, my uh word recall, name recall is um poor. It's get it's getting worse, too.

SPEAKER_01Mary donated $69. Hi, Mary here. Lana, I don't know you, so maybe I could be [ __ ] scary to you. >> Did you like see her in the reflection

Brian Atlasor something? I don't know. Wow. Mary catching strays. Uh, >> always. >> Thank you for that, Mary. We have Blest here. Uh, final call,

SPEAKER_01guys. We're going to wrap. >> Blist donated $69. Andrew, I understand the fluid nature of gender. For quite some time, I gained the perspective only people like me have

SPEAKER_01when I lived as a man trapped in a women's body. But then I was born. [laughter]

Andrew WilsonOh, the fact you don't think that that's such a clever joke and you don't you don't get it. You know, that's >> Would you like to explain it to me? >> Yeah. Yeah. He said he was he was a man trapped in a woman's body until he was

Brian Atlasborn. >> Okay. Pregnancy. Gotcha. >> I'm getting another beer. >> Well, I'm leaving shortly. So, >> yeah. Wait. As soon as Andrew comes

Brian Atlasback. As soon as Andrew comes back, we'll wrap the show. So, guys, that's the final call for the roast. We're wrapped in three, four, five minutes. Oh, he's he's quick. He's already got it. Crack it open, Andrew. Uh, all

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Brian Atlaswhatever we post behind the scenes. And uh we we are going to post the video. Um Charlie actually tried to sell Mary some uh me some methamphetamine or something before the show. So, we're going to be

Brian Atlasposting that. Just kidding. She didn't do that. She doesn't she doesn't deal in methamphetamine. Um all right. Debate University. No drugs. Uh debateuniversity.com if you want to learn how to become a master debate.

Andrew WilsonWelcome to Debate Con 15th and 16th. >> 15th 16th. Where is that? Where? Where is it? >> Nashville, Tennessee. Nashville. >> You can go to Modern Day Debate to get your tickets. >> Going to be a great time. Having a huge party Saturday night. Hope to see all of

Brian Atlasyou there. >> Rock and roll, guys. Okay, we have Chaw here. Who gets the final word from the roasters? Who's going to get the final word? It looks like we have three coming

SPEAKER_01in. >> Chaw XD donated $69. It's kind of funny in an ironic way. And drew that just days ago. A real red pillar used the same personal attack

Andrew Wilsonagainst you to make almost the same argument Charlie did. >> Guess he is a progressive. >> It's the same. I remember I called that guy a male feminist. It was the same same exact [ __ ] Ironic to me that she says I'm a red pillar when a red pillar

Andrew Wilsonwas just attacking me with the same [ __ ] argument you were. [laughter] It's like the ultimate in irony.

SPEAKER_01>> Thank you, Chaw, for that. We have I can fix her donated $69. Let's be honest, brothers. Y'all would still hit She's highkey bad for real.

SPEAKER_01For real. On God. Also, Chuck, collab with Sneo. >> What do you want to respond? Okay. Well, then >> what do you say to that? >> Huh? >> You going to collab with Sneo?

Andrew Wilson>> No. >> He's pretty like he's a super nice guy to hang out with in person. Um, >> honestly, like I've hung I've hung out with the guy. I've gone shooting with him and stuff and he was he was a super nice guy.

Charlie (Feminist)>> It's more like I try not to attract attention uh from the the wrong kinds of crowds. Um, which is the opposite. >> But he just swore off Red Pill. He just said Red Pill was dead.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Okay. I feel like a lot of people who make streaming their entire life and that's all that they do um are kind of scary. Oh, >> and I uh

Charlie (Feminist)>> Aren't you a full-time Twitch streamer? >> Yes, but I make sure that I have a uh you know, a rich life outside of Twitch streaming, >> but not Sneak. There's no way Sneo could ever like if you're streaming like eight hours a day every day, you know what I mean? Like I feel like

SPEAKER_01>> he doesn't do that. >> Okay, my bad. >> All right, we have uh this might be pasty George. >> George donated $70. Charlie, I am annoyed by you and disagree with your

SPEAKER_01views, but at least you [snorts] dress decently and do not look like a hooker, so I'll give you that. >> Depends on which stream of hers you're watching. >> Did you do that intentionally? Like, we're I'm coming on the whatever

Charlie (Feminist)podcast, so you're going to dress more modestly or >> Whenever I do debates, I try to dress more modestly. Um, just because I feel like uh the attention should be on the

Charlie (Feminist)debate and not my body. I mean, you could have just like done like a Lord of the Rings cosplay or something. Cosplay. >> I could have, but I also just really like dressing in a way that's comfortable for me.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, fair. >> Because I dress the way I do on my stream. Um, that's not my day-to-day life, how I dress. >> Good times. Good times. All right. Well, we got Intel Wild here. >> Intel wheel donated $69.

SPEAKER_01>> Thank you, man. Appreciate it. >> Chuck is an ugly, disgusting, soulless bluehead woke Kuma gremlin. Oh, wow.

Charlie (Feminist)>> I think Intel Wild might be colorb blind.

SPEAKER_01>> Your hair is brown. That That is Oh, Roros donated $69. hypocrite trying to unicorn shame a

SPEAKER_01woman who was only being with men she has married. How anti-women and then you hate men and wanted to be one. You need help. Maybe it was just all the years I

Charlie (Feminist)spent trying to be a uh man that made me such a vile misogynist. >> Well, usually the usually it's the opposite. Like usually

Andrew Wilsonwhen women lar as men, they end up becoming much more or much closer to the MASS and mid men's rights advocacy groups be when they actually have to live like one.

Charlie (Feminist)At least that's the experience of the reporters who go in. >> I mean, yes, that is I mean we could have had a very long conversation about

Brian Atlasthat. Um because I do have feelings on uh my lived experience with that. Well, I don't know what it taught you. >> Did you fully transition?

Brian AtlasLike >> I don't have a penis. >> No, I mean like social transition. So like did you dress up as a man and >> and at work? I went by he him in college at home. >> Did Did you experience

Charlie (Feminist)do you feel you have more privilege as a woman? I will say that it feels uh

Charlie (Feminist)men are less inclined to want to like beat me up now, which is nice. And I have discovered that sometimes men will

Charlie (Feminist)um purchase you beverages. Uh which was not something I was I previously enjoyed. Um, [snorts]

Charlie (Feminist)however, uh, I it could be because Twitch streaming was kind of how I started, uh, presenting as a woman. So, to me, in my brain, it is it is tied up with like

Charlie (Feminist)objectification and feelings of discomfort versus um, feelings of safety. Uh, so it it depends. You get free things sometimes as a lady, less so

SPEAKER_01as a man. All right, >> Dannis Snder donated $69. >> Thank you, Dan. >> I wish I'd have had a stepfather like Andrew to mentor me into manhood. After tonight, you can't make me turn on you.

SPEAKER_01Your display of manhood here has been perfect. I'm your friend now, no matter what.

Brian Atlas>> I just want to say the accusations that my audience is like a bunch of incelss or whatever. You see this [ __ ] gigachad Isaac Vanderbilt? This guy's a [ __ ] red-haired [ __ ] god. And I

Brian Atlasbet he just he just got done like he literally he just got done having sex with a woman and then he's like >> wanted to take a photo. >> Become a member. >> I'm sorry, bro. >> Become a member of the whatever podcast. >> I didn't want you to catch a stray. I

Brian Atlasapologize. >> It was I was very offended. >> I could tell. >> I was really offended. >> I'm really sorry. >> My blood was boiling here. >> I know. I know. I could see. I believe uh we're all that's uh let me just I want to be fair

Brian Atlasif any [laughter] well I don't want to screw anybody over. Okay. So I'll I'll give my outro. Um uh guys in terms of our stream schedule here. Andrew is here. I just got to let

Brian Atlasthem know the schedule. [laughter] Andrew is here. >> Such a gremlin bro. It's so bad. >> Um Andrew is here tomorrow. Sunday

Brian Atlasdating talk. Uh fingers crossed, you know, there's issues with flights and travel and stuff. We have uh some we've got Amaranth tomorrow. We have a female

Brian Atlasbodybuilder, more testosterone than Charlie took, let me tell you. >> Uh we have some other interesting guests for the dating talk panel tomorrow. It's going to be a very good It might be the

Brian Atlasbiggest dating talk panel of the year. >> Monday, round two with Naima. Neya, how do you say Naima? Round two with her. That's going to be a fantastic debate. So, be sure to uh tune

SPEAKER_01in for that. All right, these came through. So, I gota I can't be >> blis donated [clears throat] $69. Brixen, do you know the main difference

SPEAKER_01between Christianity and Judaism? I think it is that Jesus saves, but Moses invests. >> Okay. >> All right. Um I did not I didn't know

Brian Atlasthat, but thank you. >> Shut it down. [laughter] >> Shut it down. Thank you, Blaw Fest. And then we have Dne Snider. >> Love Dane. >> Is he going to get the He might get the

SPEAKER_01final word. >> Dana Snder donated $69. Andrew, after tonight, you can't get rid of me. I raised all five of my kids. If

SPEAKER_01I hadn't, you'd be my choice to raise all four of my sons and my daughter. >> I don't know if that's helpful or not, but I Dne, it's nice always to see you. I think that was a nice sentiment, but

Andrew Wilsonit comes across a little >> a little what? >> Well, don't worry. One day, >> you know, >> like one day when you have children of your own, you'll think, "What happens if

Brian AtlasI expire?" That's what you'll think. >> Mhm. >> It'll happen. And hopefully you set up a will for if you do.

Brian AtlasAndrew, if like some 15-year-old who caught a crypto pump and he's got like $50 million, if if he tried to he wanted you to be his dad for like 3 years and he was like, "I'll give you 10 mil."

Brian AtlasWould >> No. >> 20 mil? >> No. >> All of the cry. Okay. >> No. >> Okay. Sorry, anybody in the chat. Okay.

SPEAKER_01>> That's a That's some maladjusted [ __ ] Yeah, that's >> I wouldn't do that either. >> Boro donated $69. The point was how you don't see the irony of trying to shame Rachel by

SPEAKER_01saying baby daddy in a degrading tone when you have at 20 years old slept with 20 times the amount of people hypocrite anti-women.

Charlie (Feminist)>> 20 times. That is certainly not the amount of people I've slept with. Let me be clear. I haven't stated the amount of people I've slept with. >> What is the amount of people you slept

Charlie (Feminist)with? >> I would literally have to count and I would have to >> count. Give me an estimate. >> Multiply it by three and that's the real number. >> What's the What's the actual estimate of the total?

Andrew Wilson>> You want me to count >> women and women? Yes. >> Even when I'm using the strap? >> Yeah. On men? >> Oh, man. >> Yes. >> Strap. >> Yeah. If you're if you're [ __ ] men up the ass. Yes.

Charlie (Feminist)Are you like taling? >> Yeah, let her tally. >> I'm think I'm thinking with my brain right now. >> Oops. Just like a rough estimate. >> She is tallying there. Here, I'll move

Brian Atlasthat so you guys can see. Probably still can't see, but

SPEAKER_01Uh, let's see. >> Intel w donated $69. Her eyes tell it all. She's dead inside.

SPEAKER_01Soulless. Feel sorry for her. Frowning face emoji. Face with diagonal mouth emoji.

Charlie (Feminist)Well, if you feel sorry for me, if you go to my Twitch page, there's a there's a donate button um which you can send money can send me money on the internet if you feel really >> What's the tally? What's the tally?

Charlie (Feminist)>> What's the tally? I lost uh >> Looks like 12. >> We're over 12 right now, but I have to think back. Do you have a should I ask >> what

Brian Atlas>> do you do you prefer innies or outdis on a woman? Like I I only I only date women with outdies large labia. [laughter]

Charlie (Feminist)>> Are you joking? Are you joking or are you are you trying to bro out right now? Like what's going on? Like what is the >> You are my bro. >> Don't you You don't believe in BLM, huh? >> You are. >> No, I am. I'm >> You are BLM, right?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yes, I am BLM. >> #BLM. >> I am. >> We are broing out Charlie Brown. >> Okay. >> Charlie Brown. >> Okay. >> Uh, word about estimate. A fair estimate

Brian Atlasis about 15. >> Rachel Wilson says, "I'm no longer insulted. This person that this person hates me. I'd be worried if she didn't." Sam,

Brian Atlas>> would you like to take a moment to apologize to the evil things you said to Rachel? >> Um, >> look, look deep into that camera. Look,

Brian Atlasno, not the TV. Look, that camera right there. Look deep into that camera and give a heartfelt apology. >> I can't.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Makes sense. Wow. I would feel like a [ __ ] if I went back on it cuz I said it with my chest. >> So, I'm very sorry about the uh the

Charlie (Feminist)abuse that you suffered and I do apologize for bringing um any that up any traumatic memories perhaps. >> He didn't seem to care at the time.

SPEAKER_01>> Blis donated $69 10 million to raise a child. It only costs $3 a week to feed, clothe, and educate a child in Africa. It really

SPEAKER_01makes you think, especially considering how much it costs to send them there. >> Blest, thank you very much for the roast there.

Brian Atlas>> It's not funny, Bluff Fest. >> All right, guys. Uh, like the video if you enjoyed the stream. I want to say GG. >> Well played >> to both of you guys. Last call. Hit the

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Brian Atlasjust uh just a nice little way to uh top off the stream. Thank you everyone for tuning in tonight. You could have been anywhere in the world, but you were here with uh us. We appreciate that. Thank you to everyone who super super chats,

Brian Atlasdonates, and supports the show. We are going to be live again tomorrow, Sunday, 5:00 p.m. Pacific, dating talk with Andrew Wilson. And then Monday 3 approximately 3 pm Pacific for a debate.

Brian AtlasUh and uh here Pasty George, thank you for the super chat, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you, Pasty George. Thank you. Thank you. Let me just make sure I'm not screwing anyone ever. Nope.

Charlie (Feminist)We look good. Uh let me just double check. All right, we're all good. Any final thoughts from you guys or are we good to wrap? >> Good to wrap. >> Charlie, good. >> I want to say that when we started talking about Tolken, I almost

Charlie (Feminist)apologized for saying >> I don't care. Shut up, [ __ ] Go ahead. Go ahead. Wrap it. Go ahead and wrap it. Then you were wrong about Tolken. [laughter] >> All right, guys. >> So, no apologies.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, let's see. Did we read the do the one about the dead eyes? >> We got it. >> Did that one come in? Just >> we could do that maybe like a third time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, guys. 07's in the chat. Thank you guys for tuning

Brian Atlasin tonight. We will see you tomorrow 5:00 PM Pacific. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Andrew. Hope you guys have a good night.

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