Andrew Wilson vs. Charlie (Feminist, Leftist) | Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show?! | Whatever Debates #22

Date: 2025-11-09

Duration: 6h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCharlie (Feminist)>

AAndrew Wilson >

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Andrew Wilson(host)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05Charlie (Feminist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces Andrew Wilson vs Charlie debate on feminism

Key MomentAndrew: women voting on war while men die is 'fundamental injustice'

Key MomentBureau of Justice Statistics on interracial crime read aloud

Key MomentCharlie admits she doesn't know what 'per capita' means

Key MomentRachel Wilson crashes debate by phone after Charlie attacked her family

ControversyCharlie: Rachel's life 'would have been better spent' if she aborted her children

Key MomentCharlie reveals she was on testosterone for 10 years (FTMF detransitioner)

AgreementAndrew and Charlie bond over Tolkien and Lord of the Rings

Topics Discussed

COVID Lockdowns vs Feminist Choice

Andrew challenges Charlie: supported lockdowns but supports pro-choice. Inconsistency.

Women Voting / Draft

Andrew: unjust that women vote on war when men bear combat risk.

Abortion and Birth Control

Charlie argues abortion essential for economic equality.

Interracial Crime Statistics

Andrew presents DOJ stats. Charlie contests conviction reliability.

Colonialism and Anti-White Rhetoric

Extended debate on 'colonizer' definition.

Rachel Wilson Crashes Debate

Rachel calls in after Charlie's comments about her children.

LOTR and Tolkien

Post-debate friendly exchange on Tolkien, Christian allegory.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonempathy. >> Okay, love and empathy. But so are you okay with Christians stopping prostitution? >> Um >> no. No. So >> well I think Okay, let me let me be

Charlie (Feminist)clear. Um, I think that most women who are doing fullervice sex work, uh, a lot of them that isn't necessarily what they wanted to do with their lives growing up.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yeah. But you still support their freedom to do it if they want, right? >> I think that they deserve protections. I don't want to see those women harmed at all. >> Do you think it should be illegal to do or not? >> I think it should be decriminalized.

Andrew Wilson>> So, not illegal. not illegal but decriminalized because I don't. >> So that's the thing, right, is like you can't pick and choose which Christian ethics you would prefer that I apply and which I don't. And the thing is is like

Andrew Wilsonhere I'm being remarkably consistent and just bit a bullet for you. I just said, "Yeah, I do agree, right? Based on immutable characteristics, Jesus Christ didn't discriminate uh from from helping

Andrew Wilsonanybody with their spiritual health or anything else." I totally agree that that's true. >> I think when it comes with loving arms >> Yeah. But when it comes to how we engage in the world and people's preferences,

Andrew Wilson>> there's nothing biblical about creating refusals to uh or that you have to hire people that you don't want to hire based on whatever it is you don't want to hire them for or pay them whatever wage they demand you pay them.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Were Christians not, you know, oppressed by the the Romans? Were Were the Jews not driven out of like everywhere they ever tried to live? >> Yeah. Was that portrayed positively or

Andrew Wilsonwas that do you think like >> and Christians when you talk about Christian reforms the demands were not ever that oh wait a second um now we get

Andrew Wilsonto make a determination on what you do with your resources towards us where did Christians take over and then say you have to treat us you have to treat us um uh to the same exact wage as you do you

Andrew Wilsonknow this uh this people group over here that just never happened. It wasn't it wasn't a factual case. And so it's like >> it's cuz Rome was deeply unequal. Um >> well, no, just life is deeply unequal.

Andrew WilsonSo So the the question I think that >> the question just becomes like where are we getting this grounded ethic that it's okay to tell people what they can do with their stuff. It's theirs. I mean no

Charlie (Feminist)one is saying it's just a equal opportunity and trying to not make judgments on someone on the basis of >> but I think it's fine for people to make judgments >> of course you know like if I am walking

Charlie (Feminist)down the street at night and I see a large group of rowdy 20some men I'm going to be like a little bit like anxious you know I'm going to be like well they're rowdy young men that could

Andrew Wilsonbe potentially dangerous >> is it is it bad if I do that with black I think that highly depends upon the context. >> In the same context, I just see a group of young

Charlie (Feminist)>> group of rowdy young men. >> Yeah. Or just uh, you know, rowdy black people and I cross the street. Is that racist? >> Maybe it's just cuz they're black on the basis that you think they're going to jump you. >> Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> Do you think that happens often? Do you think that if it was just a bunch of men and you cross the street and you call that sexist or not sexist, then how would that be racist the other way?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Well, cuz I think we have to consider which one is uh coming, you know, on the basis of like personal experience versus like I mean, how often have you been like

Andrew Wilsonharassed at night by rowdy black people? Like a crowd? >> If you go around If you go around rowdy black people, yeah, they're probably going to harass you if you're white. I used to walk through the tenderloin at

Charlie (Feminist)night by myself. This was when I was very butch. So, mind you, I uh did you going to walk through South Central by yourself? >> I don't know where South Central is. >> The point is though is that >> I'm talking about San Francisco. The

Andrew WilsonTenderlo you're informing your judgment that the black that the the rowdy group of young men may do bad thing to you. >> You're that's >> historically they they they do both. And this would be the the same information that a young white man or young white

Andrew Wilsonwoman would have if they're talking about Hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me make the point and then you can respond. >> Is it not the case that young white men also have the exact same justification that you would have

Andrew Wilson>> that historically now, at least in their lifetimes, uh it does seem like whites are disproportionately attacked by black men. >> That white men are disproportionately attacked.

Andrew Wilson>> The the stats on pull them up. Again, I >> Let's just look at Let's just look at interracial dynamics of violence. Black on white versus white on black. >> I think depending on where you are. Sure. If you're in an area, it's not where you are. It's everywhere high.

Charlie (Feminist)>> It's everywhere. >> Okay. Well, I'm just saying everywhere. >> I used to walk through the tenderloin in San Francisco at night by myself. That is a heavily black area. And I was >> uh the worst thing that ever happened

Charlie (Feminist)was a guy tried to sell me weed. That was the worst thing that happened. And it was it was okay. And I looked again like >> but if you're informing if a if a young woman is walking down the street >> Mhm.

Andrew Wilson>> and she's never been assaulted by young men before ever. >> Mhm. >> And she's walking by a group of young rowdy looking men. Right. And she just knows from hearing stories and from her

Andrew Wilsonobservations um and you know statistics and things like this that she could be in some trouble there and she crosses the street. Would you say that that's sexist?

Andrew WilsonUm, I would say technically yes, that is that is sexism. But I think that >> so she does need to keep in order to not be a sexist, she needs to keep walking through that crowd. You would advise her to do that?

Charlie (Feminist)>> I think that you can make some assumptions. >> Oh, would it technically be sexist? >> So would you recommend that >> on the basis of like this?

Andrew Wilson>> So would you recommend she was sexist in that instance then if you were going to give her advice? Would you be like sexist. No, I would say don't get hurt. >> And but if she crosses the street based

Andrew Wilsonon her preconceived notions, even though these this these things haven't actually happened to her >> and you were the advice giver, would you go ahead and advise her to cross the street? >> Yeah. If it was my little sister, absolutely. >> Of course. And so you would advise her

Charlie (Feminist)to be sexist. >> Mhm. >> So then why wouldn't that apply to race? >> [sighs] >> I don't know how to say this other than um I think you only get heranged by

Charlie (Feminist)black people as a white person if you're being real weird. Like I think you have to be like >> what >> like like what do you like what reason

Charlie (Feminist)would would a group of rowdy black people have to bother a young white guy? >> They kick the [ __ ] out of them and take their money. What are you talking about? >> Okay. Like jumped? You're worried about getting jumped? >> Yeah, of course. The same thing you would be worried about. >> Yes, sure. then avoid them. But you

Andrew Wilsonshould probably avoid groups of white guys, too, cuz you could get jumped also. >> But if it's racist, then no. Well, wait a second. Now, >> if you are if all of the things that are that you're Yeah. If all the things you're informed on,

Andrew Wilson>> all right, are telling you exactly the opposite and you would advise your little sister to be sexist, why shouldn't I advise my little brother to be racist in that situation? >> I think it depends upon where you are.

Charlie (Feminist)Again, if you are seeing a group of young men, regardless of race, who just seem like they're dudes out having a fun time or if it looks like it could be gang activity related or something like

Charlie (Feminist)that, I think like you just have to make judgment calls there and that can be regardless of race. >> Is it racist to do? Is it racist to

Charlie (Feminist)cross the street because you see a group of young black men? If you saw a group of young black men in suits with briefcases, would you would you be afraid of them? >> Well, wouldn't you be afraid of Do you think that it's >> No, I wouldn't be afraid of a group of

Andrew Wilsonmen in suits walking with briefcase. >> So, you're just saying rowdy young men. >> Well, that's funny because then I guess my if you were going to give advice to essayers, you would just advise them to have a suit and briefcase, right? >> No, that's not what I would advise them.

Andrew WilsonBut what I'm saying >> Well, I mean, but hang on. Hang on. It is right. Wouldn't that be an entailment that you would advise them to just have a suit and a briefcase? Because if that's the case, Charlie's going to be fair game for you because she's not

Charlie (Feminist)going to avoid you. >> I would assume that there would be less danger if it's a group of sober businessmen. Yes, I would assume that they are less likely to assault me than a group of young men who are drunk and

Charlie (Feminist)rowdy. >> Aren't Aren't Don't you think that the people who have the most resources to like kind of beat the rap might actually be the most likely to do that? >> Of course. But again, if we're talking about street harassment, it's probably not going to be from business. They're like molesting their secretaries or whatever, [clears throat] you know? It's

Andrew Wilsonnot. >> Yes. I don't know. It seems like we're saying the same thing. You would advise if it was if it was a young group of men, your sister to cross the street, and if somebody advised that black men, and advised a little brother to cross

Andrew Wilsonthe street based on all of the experience data that they have, I don't I don't really understand. I still don't really understand the distinction.

Charlie (Feminist)because one is based on the fact that women get sexually harassed fairly frequently. I don't know. >> And the other one is based on the fact that there's interracial violence fairly frequently.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Okay. 13% of the American population is black and regardless of how far we've advanced, uh most populations are not mixed. Most areas

Charlie (Feminist)are still fairly segregated. What? Like what are the chances of white guys experiencing being assaulted by black men to the same degree as women being assaulted by men?

Andrew Wilson>> Why would it need to be the same degree? >> Because I think if it's if it's a low chance something that's probably not going to happen that's different from something low of a chance. >> How low of a chance before I'm not racist when I cross the street? Does it

Andrew Wilsonneed to be like how low of a chance does it need to be before I'm not racist for crossing the street? >> Like 1%. But even then, I don't think like that'd be one in a hundred times you you >> that your chances of getting your

Andrew Wilsonchances of getting essayed by a group of men is way less than 1%. >> Or sexually harassed or just

Charlie (Feminist)>> way less than 1%. Way less. >> I'm going to respectfully uh disagree. Um I had an experience. It wasn't me. It was uh

Andrew Wilson>> disagree with what you want to see the stats like just just an essays just an we just go off of just >> Well, I'm also just talking about sexual harassment. >> What does that mean? They cat call you [sighs] >> bother you? Yeah,

Andrew Wilson>> they just cat call you. >> Yeah, it's annoying. No, I mean it could be scary. >> So, what would you like less if you were a young man to get your ass kicked by a group of young black guys or get cat called by a group of white dudes? >> I mean, the likelihood of a group of

Andrew Wilsonblack guys beating you up. Again, at most they might say mean things to you. That's probably maybe >> at the most they might say mean things to you, the other group of men that you're avoiding, but you would still

Andrew Wilsonrecommend the kids or your kid sister to cross the street to engage in the sexism. And yet, for some reason, when somebody uses the same argument from the racial lens, you're like, "No, no, no,

Charlie (Feminist)no, no, no, no, no." And it's like, that's a very inconsistent position. >> It's not based on reality. >> It is based on reality. What reality is it not based on? >> It's not I do not hear of like

Charlie (Feminist)interracial beatups. Like do you have any Sorry. Do you have any statistics? >> Yeah. >> On the likelihood of of white people being beaten up by black people >> in comparison to the other way around. Uh strap yourself in.

Brian Atlas>> I was uh trying to find something earlier, but I it wasn't coming up. But so basically, you guys just want me to look for white-on-black crime versus black-on-white crime. Okay. or at least give me a give me a few moments to find it

Andrew Wilson>> and look at the essay stats, interracial essay stats, and then you tell me, >> why interracial? >> Well, because then I would think that in order to be consistent, you would bite the bullet that you would tell your

Andrew Wilsonlittle sister if it was a group of young black men to to cross the street over if it was a group of young white men just based purely on the statistics of which one's more likely to assault you. Right.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Well, women are most likely to be victimized by men of their own race. Which is why we're looking at what data point here? >> Interracial. >> Okay. Well, why are we looking at interracial?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Because if one is much more likely to assault you than the other race, women of a woman of any race and a group of men of any race >> versus you talking about a white person. >> Can you tell me what per capita means,

Andrew WilsonCharlie? >> Uh, no. >> No. Okay. I didn't think so. Uh but anyway, let's move back to this. So it's pretty simple. Okay.

Andrew Wilson>> Do you want to tell me? >> Yeah. Per capita is just when you when you isolate um for a segment in order to adjust for the percentage against the hole. So it would be something akin to this, right?

Andrew Wilson>> Okay. >> Let's say you had um let's say you had two let's say you had two black men and you had um I don't know, eight white dudes, okay? For a total of 10, right?

Andrew Wilson10 represents 100% of all of these people in this people group. Okay. >> And you have three, I'm sorry, four. You have four of the white guys who commit crimes,

Andrew Wilson>> right? Like SA. >> Mhm. >> And then you have both of the black men who commit SA. If you're trying to determine which out of the people group committed more SA, would you then adjust

Andrew Wilsonfor the two black men because that's now 100% of black men who are committing SA >> or for the four white guys cuz now that's only 50% of white men who commit SA. >> So it would be like relative to population size. That's what you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying per capita. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So it's super important to understand this, >> right? Because even if it's the case >> that most essay crimes happen within your own race, that that could very well

Andrew Wilsonbe true, >> what you should really be looking at though is the per capita percentage. >> Sure. >> Yeah, let's get that then. >> Yeah. >> Still working on it. I'm not finding uh any

Andrew Wilson>> But if it were the case, I just want to know if it were the case that interraially they attacked white women far more than white men attacked black women, then wouldn't you give the advice

Charlie (Feminist)to your little sister to cross the street? >> Yeah. If if that was a thing that was happening where where like black men are just out there hunting white women like animals, I guess I would.

Andrew Wilson>> You know, you see you see Hang on. Did you see how you just characterized that with a terrible straw man? Did I say anything about black men hunting down white people like animals? >> Essaying. >> Did I say anything about them hunting? >> Essaying white women.

Andrew Wilson>> Did I say anything about them doing that? >> No. But the implic No, there's no implication of that either. Just an implication. >> The implication is black men are sexual predators. >> No, the implication is only violent.

Andrew Wilson>> What? What? Okay. How is that implied? If it's the case that more black people do commit more our crimes than white people do, how is that anything other than a fact? >> Well, it's not a fact.

Charlie (Feminist)>> It is a fact. >> It's not. >> Are you sure? >> We also have to test for we have to consider convicted for. >> Oh, it's said like I said earlier, >> it's even worse. >> Like I said earlier, >> it's so much worse, Charlie, than you

Andrew Wilsonthink. It's so much >> going innocent, >> Charlie. It's worse than you could ever imagine. What do you mean? >> You're about to find out when Brian pulls up the stats. It's worse than you could ever imagine.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Okay. Well, will you concede that uh not all convicted sex criminals are guilty of what they have done? >> Of course. >> Okay.

Andrew Wilson>> But that we have a justice system. >> But hang on. But will you concede that most of the people who are convicted of the crimes that they commit committed those crimes? Because sure actually

Andrew Wilson>> well then what's the point of things like judicial review and what's the point of things >> like what's the point of things like that? What are the what is the point of uh of doing all of these audits? What is the point of all the studies and things

Charlie (Feminist)like this if crime itself was not mostly being placed in proper categories and people being convicted for the correct >> crime? People experience more outrage when um a member of the out group

Charlie (Feminist)assaults a member of the in-roup versus when a member of the in-group assaults a fellow member of the in group, >> the out groupoup, >> right? Like like I think that people in general are going to be far more upset

Charlie (Feminist)about a black man as saying a white woman than they would be about uh a black man as saying a a black woman. >> Okay? >> Right? >> Let's just grant it. >> We're looking at convictions. There's

Charlie (Feminist)also a history of uh false accusations um you know against black man black men by white women that that is that is a fact that is that has happened

Andrew Wilson>> you know so I would also consider that as well um >> yeah I mean throughout the entire historic standard sure but like just the last 10 years no there's not much of that >> all right >> not much in the way of false accusations

Andrew Wilsongoing on there things like DNA we have DNA testing that's the that's the big one you know the DNA, >> but a lot of rape kits don't happen. A lot of cases uh don't have rape kits involved.

Charlie (Feminist)>> So, I don't trust women or should we believe all women? >> I think that you can uh believe victims,

Charlie (Feminist)but I think that you can also account for um uh you know, like a uh pattern of of racism.

Andrew Wilson>> So, don't justice system. So, don't believe all women. >> That's not what I'm saying. >> Well, I don't understand. >> I think that you should >> Should I believe all women or not?

Charlie (Feminist)>> You know what? I'm going to be real with you here. No. >> Yeah. [ __ ] >> I think I think that you should [laughter] actively when someone makes accusations, >> you should be careful, but you should also investigate because I have seen false accusations fly.

Charlie (Feminist)>> I don't mean that you should be like, "You dumb bord, you deserved it. you nasty, but you should wait until you have have more confirmation. >> Okay, >> I did find it finally. I apologize for

Brian Atlasthe delay. I think Google might have been suppressing it. I had to go to X to find the actual infographic. Pull it up, please. >> Um, all right. So, you're Mary, you're

Brian Atlasgoing to have to make us smaller. Okay. So, uh, make us write uh, write small and then hide hide right this one. Okay.

Brian AtlasInterracial violent incidents per capita of offending race. Uh, and this is from a Bureau of Justice Statistics, National

Brian AtlasCrime Victimization Survey from 2018. So, white on black there. Uh, 30 Hispanic on black 76. Well, we'll I'll just do Okay. So, white on black 30,

Andrew Wilsonblack on white, 1,288 versus 30 for white on black. Well, gee, Chuck, it seems like based on what you just said earlier, if I could

Andrew Wilsondemonstrate this to you, you said that you would advise your little sister to cross the street. Do you hold to that? By the way, this is incidents per 100,000

Andrew Wilsonoffender population. >> Do you hold to it, Chuck? Do you hold to it? Are you going to advise your sister to cross the street now? >> No, because I think it's white boys that are getting beat up.

Andrew WilsonCan you pull up the s interracial essay statistics, please? >> Sure. Give me give me a moment to find it. [laughter] >> It's It's just going to get worse as we go here, Charlie. I'm telling you, it's just going to get worse.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Population is male, half the population is female. The encounters between uh and then 13.3% of the population is black. >> Yeah. And even less of that is male.

Charlie (Feminist)It's only about 6% that's male. >> Yeah. And so, but again, the justice system, >> remember that word we're looking for? Per capita. >> Yeah. The justice system also does

Charlie (Feminist)punish black people more. Black people are convicted more for the same crimes than white people. >> Did it ever occur to you? It's because they commit more crimes. Well, if you look at comparisons to actual crimes committed versus

Andrew Wilsonconviction rates, it's committing crimes at about the same rate, but black people are more likely to be sentenced >> because they they're on their third time doing a crime. That's why. And that's never adjusted for in the data. >> Do you have proof?

Andrew Wilson>> Yes, we can pull it up. Yeah. Name whatever study you want right now. And I'll pull up the methodology and I can guarantee you that if we look on the offenses by offense list is that oh this

Andrew Wilsonwhite dude he um you know he went in and he stole a car and he got one year. Okay. And this black guy got 10 years. That's not fair. And you know what's often left out that that's his 15th

Andrew Wilsoncrime and that's why he got the higher sentence. That's what I've noticed when I look at that data. But the thing I'm like I'm willing to look at whatever data you got. I'm happy to parse it out. I didn't prepare for this. >> I know. I understand because

Andrew Wilson>> I did not prepare I I prepared for debate on feminism. >> That is but this is part of that debate because it's showing a worldview inconsistency that you have which is that men are mean bad evil patriarchy. You would advise your sister to cross the street, right? In order to avoid

Andrew Wilsonthem. >> Men are evil mean bad. >> Okay. Okay. You're right. That was a straw man. So, let me be more charitable. >> Okay. >> You would tell your sister to cross the street when it came to a group of rowdy young men, right? And you would and you

Andrew Wilsonyou say that you would advise her to do that even if she personally didn't have any bad experiences with rowdy young men just based on experiences you've had and data and various things you've observed.

Andrew WilsonAnd yet if somebody does that and says to their little sister, "Hey, stay away from young black men," right? Based on the same exact criteria, that's somehow [ __ ] racist. That's what's crazy to

Charlie (Feminist)me is like just can we get some consistency? >> We didn't pull up the essay rates. And again, I would think that violent offenses would >> When you see this, Charlie, when you see this,

Charlie (Feminist)>> but again, we also discussed that the that the justice system is more likely to convict as saying white women are to convict. >> You know what? I'm even willing to give it like I'm even willing to give it some

Andrew Wilsonabsurdly high number like they're wrong about 5%. >> Okay. >> And it wouldn't even come close to compensating for the distinction. Not even close.

Andrew WilsonAll right. I mean, do you personally experience a fear of of black people? >> It's not a fear of black people. It's an

Andrew Wilsonunderstanding. And by the way, you know who taught me this? Black men. They were the ones who taught me this cuz you know who doesn't who who's the least likely

Andrew Wilsonto walk around a group of young black men they don't know? Black men. [laughter] That's the wildest [ __ ] But it's true. >> Depending on the area. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it highly depends on the area. Again, like [clears throat] if you are walking through an area that has

Andrew Wilsonlike a lot of >> Did you by chance find them stats? Still looking for it. >> Someone will send it to you on X. But yeah, it's it's bad, Charlie. It's bad. So like the the interracial distinction is not even in the same universe and

Andrew Wilsonneither is the violent crime assault rates. Um and if we go down by women, it's it's even worse. It gets it just every time you go to the next criteria, it just will get worse for your argument. I promise. I would just I

Andrew Wilsonwould just bite the bullet. >> Controlling for gang violence. >> Yeah. Even if we control for gang violence. Even if we control for gang violence, even if we have the same socioeconomic

Andrew Wilsonsystems, even if we have the same amount of money being made, right, it always seems to be the case that this is the case >> that they're convicted more. >> Yes.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Okay. Well, I would want to do my own research into this because again, uh, conviction rates don't indicate that someone is doing more of the crime necessarily or is more guilty of it.

Andrew Wilson>> I think they do indicate that. In fact, that conviction rates do indicate that. I think that you have a point where you can say, >> hey, um, we should look into these conviction rates and see if it's the case that, you

Andrew Wilsonknow, A, B, and C is correct. That's fine, right? But you would have it there would have to be a lot of convictions. I'm telling you, it's it's pretty bad and and lopsided. But anyway, back to this. I guess >> I do have the data, by the way.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, >> it says per capita Oh, let's see here. Hold on. Per capita, black arrest rates for rape/sexual assault are estimated at

Brian Atlastwo to three times higher than white rates, two uh 2.6x overall. Yeah, I fully believe that black men are arrested for rape more 100%

Charlie (Feminist)>> at three times the rate. >> Yes, but I don't think they committed more than than white men. >> Based on what? >> Just like your gut feeling.

Andrew Wilson>> Sexual assault rates are pretty consistent across races. >> No, they're not. [laughter] >> The women that they're not >> except for indigenous women. >> No, no, just not at all. They're not consistent. Like for instance, Asians,

Andrew Wilsonthey commit the least amount of it. The least amount in the United States of sexual assaults, right? Now, that's true that they consistently commit the least amount. I'm willing to agree with that. >> Mhm.

Andrew Wilson>> But that would obviously have a logical entailment that black men commit the most amount, right? That would be the entailment there. So like if if we're saying that it's it's the rates are

Charlie (Feminist)consistent, >> so Asians are consistently low, then wouldn't that put like black men at consistently high? >> I would be curious about that because if we look at

Charlie (Feminist)like Korea and Japan where SA is kind of like so severe to the point that like women in Japan have their own like train carts. I would be curious if that has to

Andrew Wilsondo again with people feeling pressure to conceal these sorts of things, being less loyalty to >> because those cultures are [ __ ] perverted as [ __ ] because they're

Andrew Wilsongodless. And that's one thing that people forget about is like it's, you know, like how Japan has all the laws where they the they have the [ __ ] young girls walking around in the miniskirts at all of the schools and the

Andrew Wilsonprinciples, you know, they they're always for it, right? They sell women's underwear out of vending machines. They have massive porn shops where you start on the bottom floor and as you continue

Andrew Wilsonto to ascend, it goes from to worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and more hardcore porn. It's a very perverted society. >> Well, I lived in Nevada for 6 years, so this feels a little >> Nevada is not as perverted as Japan.

Andrew Wilson>> Reno, there was porn shops everywhere. It's been cleaned up now. >> I lived in Reno, too. And no, there wasn't. >> Cleaned up now. >> There wasn't. I was there 20 years ago. There was not >> 20. Okay. Well, what part of Reno did you? Well, I mean, you don't

Andrew Wilson>> What do you mean? Reno is not big enough for us to be quibbling about parts. Okay. >> Well, at least when I was a kid, there was a whole lot of naked ladies everywhere. >> Yeah. There was strip clubs. There's

Andrew Wilsonstill strip clubs. There was uh prostitution houses that you had to go to way outside of Reno. And then >> Honey Farm. Yeah. >> Yeah. And then uh >> they do weird things there. >> Okay. Well, I don't care. And that's

Andrew Wilsongross. But anyway, the point is is that inside of Reno proper, no, it looks like a pretty normal city. There's a couple of extra strip clubs in the downtown area, uh, but no, it was never like an

Charlie (Feminist)overly gross city. >> If we Googled youth pastor um, crime, I feel I've done this before. It's all

Charlie (Feminist)it's all sex crimes. So I feel like if we if we are saying that Japan and Korea are perverse because they are godless,

Charlie (Feminist)I think that we should look at the the rate of like essays committed in churches >> as long as we can look at the amount of essays committed in public schools. Charlie,

Andrew Wilson>> sure. Yeah. Absolutely do that. >> And so the thing is is like >> wouldn't it stand a reason that predators go where the prey is? >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Well, then why wouldn't they move into being youth pastors to get access to

Andrew Wilsonchildren just like they go to public schools to get access to children? >> Of course. But those are people that we assume uh believe in God >> and we assume that the secular ethics held by teachers uh same ethics that you

Charlie (Feminist)hold, right, are that they're not going to did kids, but they [ __ ] do. >> Well, I mean, what percentage of teachers are atheist? To be fair, I grew up in a very religious area. >> Highly secular. Public schools are

Andrew Wilsonhighly secularized where they the well first of all the school system itself is secular period. >> Yeah. Of course >> it's removed from religion. >> Yeah. >> The how many are identify as being Christian in the school system who are

Andrew Wilsonwomen? >> Most of them are college educated and as you know the rates of not believing in God among the college educated are pretty high. >> Yeah I'd say so. But I also think it

Andrew Wilsondoes highly depend on on which area that you are. Oh yeah, everything depends on >> I think cities are going to >> Yeah, they depend on areas, but that would be the same thing for the youth pastor, you know, that's going to depend

Andrew Wilsonon area too. So the the but the point is >> essay rates, >> yeah, >> is going to depend on area for youth pastors. >> Of course, just like it would for public schools, >> of course. >> No, I think the essay rates would remain the same. What I mean is religion.

Andrew Wilson>> I don't think they do remain the same. Depending on demographic, it's not going to remain the same. Like for instance, the I would say that in minority schools the chances of molestations probably increase. >> Yeah. >> So then Yeah. So then no, that's >> because who's going to listen to those

SPEAKER_01kids? >> Yeah. So it doesn't stay the same then. That's my point. >> We have uh we have some chats coming through. So we'll take a break for those. >> A message from the government of Canada. [clears throat]

SPEAKER_01>> Pass George donated $2004. If feminism is a net positive for western society, including other first world countries, then why are many feminist countries suffering the effects

Charlie (Feminist)of birth rate and worker shortage crisis? >> Uh that is because when women are given the choice to not have kids, a lot of the time they choose not to have kids

Charlie (Feminist)until they're ready for it. [snorts] >> And while this problem is currently being mitigated uh through immigration, >> I do Okay, hold on. Listen to me. I need you to hear me out. Just pause and hear

Charlie (Feminist)me out. >> People are resources and to keep the world running uh on this grand global industrialized scale that we have it running on. Um we have to have

Charlie (Feminist)resources. I think even if you don't believe in climate change, resources are finite. We will reach a point uh in which the rate at which we produce and we already produce too much like things.

Charlie (Feminist)We already make too much stuff that we don't use. we will run out of resources. I think that we are going to have to account for a world um in which we will

Charlie (Feminist)make less and have less resources. Less people is good for that. I think that this just signals the beginning of what will become a trend across the world, which is women having less children. And

Andrew WilsonI think we have to figure out the problem or the answer to that problem sooner rather than later. >> Yeah. So uh all everything you just said is total [ __ ] and I'll demonstrate it all. The book the book which predicted this is called the population

Andrew Wilsonbomb. It predicted the same exact thing that you did that as the population increases resources are going to become more finite. >> Oh no it's not population increase. It's it's the how much we produce. We make too much.

Andrew Wilson>> We are making too much >> for who? >> To sell crap >> to who? >> To the consumers. So then that would require Would that require more or less people to sell more?

Andrew Wilson>> No, but we make more. Would it make Yeah. Okay. Right. But the more people you have, the more [ __ ] you make, right? >> Yes. And we also build it to break. Yeah. So we're no longer >> Yeah, I get it. I get it. But just hang

Andrew Wilsonon. Hang on. Just stay with me. >> If you if you make more stuff for more people, then that infers you need more people. And what you're saying is we need to as as the birth rates decrease, we're going to stop making more stuff

Charlie (Feminist)for more people because there's less people. >> Uh well, I think that our we're going to run out of uh resources to do so. I think it will become more dangerous,

Andrew Wilsonmore taxing on the environment >> and stabil uh to continue like rapid industrialization like again making the amount of crap that we do >> for Yeah. But we only make the amount of

Andrew Wilsoncrap we do because we have a lot of people, right? >> We make more than we actually need, though. I mean, you see grocery stores throw away all the food that >> But do you understand how that doesn't answer the question? Like, my question

Charlie (Feminist)is, if we had five people, are we going to make less for them than nine people, even if we make more than what nine people need? >> Sure, but that's not actually how capitalism functions. We like the rate

Charlie (Feminist)of production always goes up. Even when needs are met, it always always always goes up forever. like neverending growth is is the point like a cancer. And again, we always make things to break.

Andrew WilsonWe make things to break so that we can keep selling people the same things. If we produced as much as we needed and we made things to not break then >> but Charlie the the population bomb

Andrew Wilsonpredicted that and just let let me finish that society was going to increase in in size and what was going to happen is because of the mass amount of resources that would then be necessary. There was going to be a

Andrew Wilsoncollapse. It was going to bomb. The opposite happened. The population exploded and now we had all of the manpower on deck in order to take care of everybody. food distribution like under your crazy system, right? >> We have enough food to feed everyone.

Andrew WilsonCorrect. >> Yeah. But that's only because we have the people resource. That's that's the only reason. Like do you know the logistical nightmare it is to get bananas all over the world? They grow in like three places. >> Crazy. But what I'm saying is that's >> How do you do that without people?

Andrew Wilson>> That's not sustainable though. >> Why isn't that [ __ ] sustainable? Yeah, it is. >> I mean, we're going to run out of natural resources eventually. >> What natural resources do you think we're going to run out? You put the seed

Andrew Wilsonin the ground and it grows and then it makes more seeds. That's how it works. It's been going like that for thousands of years. >> Forest is one oil as well. I mean, so

Charlie (Feminist)much of the Amazon has been mowed down to to grow soy to feed to cows. And then they have like what is it? The cheese cave in Wisconsin. >> Mhm. >> Where they store all the cheese that they're not selling. And we also have to

Charlie (Feminist)supplement farmers when they don't sell the stuff that they're making. Um, which sucks. Uh, so again, like this this rate of production is not sustainable.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. But that's not that's not Look, if if it was the case that you wanted to actually do something about that, then wouldn't you move towards a more capitalist society? Because under a more capitalist society, we wouldn't be subsidizing [ __ ] anybody for

Charlie (Feminist)anything, right? The whole point >> Well, yeah. I mean, with farmers specifically, yes, that would change, but also there wouldn't be the same pressure to create more significantly more than we actually need. And also, when it comes to uh, you know,

Andrew Wilson>> well, they're not making more than we need. If you're storing cheese, you're storing it to sell it later, right? >> Oh, it's cuz it's overprouction. I mean, do you know how much food grocery stores throw out? >> Oh, yeah. Tons. Because it expires. >> Yes. Because we're making more than we need.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. But you have to do that because you have what's called a market predictor. If you don't have a market predictor, you know how much worse it would be? Like just trying to guess how many tomatoes people wanted to eat. That would be really difficult to do. So you have a market predictor and you do an

Andrew Wilsonoverage of that because you're like, well, we could sell that much or we may make a little bit more than we actually are going to sell, but we want to have more because >> a bit more than a little bit more. >> In which in which field?

Andrew Wilson>> I mean, in like >> because it's scalable, right? like you're trying to make for every single market enough ground beef, but you you're never going to be able to hit that on the nose. So, wouldn't you rather come in over than under? Like

Charlie (Feminist)that's the whole point, isn't it? >> Sure, I guess. But again, we're we are at a like in in a place where it's not just, you know, trying to have enough to

Charlie (Feminist)to ensure that you have a little bit of a surplus. It's making as much as possible >> to meet the demand, >> not the demand. I think with the demand >> speak on farmers. I don't want to speak

Charlie (Feminist)on farmers um because I don't >> Well, they're subsidized subsidized again, >> but most people only bring to market what they think they're going to be able to sell. >> Do you think that farmers uh do they do

Brian Atlasdo farmers make more? Do they get more subsidies when they make more? >> Final thought on this one if you guys can. >> Okay. Yeah, I'll bring it back to feminism >> and we do have some more Q&A's coming through. >> Okay.

SPEAKER_01>> Okay. We'll just move it on then. We have Jones here with the message. >> Jones donated $100. By Andrew's logic, does he want to roll back the civil rights movement protections against discrimination?

SPEAKER_01Plus, discrimination is against Christian ethics. There are verses in scripture that condemn it. >> Yeah. So, that's that's great. Are we supposed to legislate that into law, though? Are we supposed to legislate

Andrew Wilsoninto law or is the whole point of following Christian ethics that you're doing it of your own valition? So, um I don't see any problem like people discriminate against each other

Andrew Wilsonall the time for all sorts of reasons that make a lot of sense. Like a lot of times discrimination makes a lot of sense and people always pretend that it doesn't but it does. Um for instance,

Andrew Wilsonorganizations that don't want to hire women. I completely [ __ ] understand why they don't want to. I to I totally get it. Women cause all sorts of problems in a workplace. They have to now deal with uh

Andrew Wilsonyou know co-workers potentially having sex uh or you know sort all sorts of allegations that wouldn't normally happen and interexual dynamics that now are being brought into the workplace. I totally understand why men wouldn't want

Andrew Wilsonto hire women. This seems fine to me. when you're talking about the Civil Rights Act itself, uh I don't think that there's any problem with saying that look, you have to provide medical care if there's a black man dying in front of

Andrew Wilsonyour building. Okay? Maybe we can make some compromises there. But when it comes to the fact that you can tell a black man that he can't serve a white person or he has to serve a white person because they're white, uh yeah, I'm not

Andrew Wilsonreally sure that that uh I don't I'm not really sure that that should be codified into law. I think that that has nothing to do with actual freedom and that that that's all [ __ ] cope. Like how's

Andrew Wilsonthat maximize freedom for anybody? It doesn't. It doesn't. And you have a business and it should be up to you to be able to hire and fire who you want for any reason, any time cuz it's yours.

Charlie (Feminist)>> So as Americans, I feel that our country is naturally um you know diverse and inevitably you have to encounter

Charlie (Feminist)naturally diverse. >> Well, I mean, not naturally diverse. >> You can blame the I mean, we could talk about, you know, colonizers and slavery and, you know, economic crises around

Charlie (Feminist)the world, some of which we've manufactured. Um, it's like you have to learn how to live with people who are different from you. >> No, you don't. >> Yes, you do. If you want to live in America, you do. you kind of h I don't

Andrew Wilsonhow >> but see how that's not natural like how you contradict your position when you say oh it's a natural it's natural it's like it's not natural the truth is is that people naturally don't gravitate to people who are much like they usually

Andrew Wilsongravitate to people who are like them not unlike them >> right >> we also again we we live in a very diverse nation >> yeah but that was for that's that's due

Andrew Wilsonto being was forced on us that's forced on us it's wildly unpopular everywhere where every western nation that exists, mass migration is wildly unpopular. People hate How why do you think Trump

Andrew Wilsongot in? He got in because people were sick of mass migration. They hate it. It's like that's not natural. That's totally [ __ ] unnatural. That's the completely the opposite of natural. What

Andrew Wilsonhappened is a bunch of [ __ ] corporate [ __ ] wanted to exploit cheap labor. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. Exactly. Correct. >> And so the thing is is like I don't want that to happen anymore. That's akin to

Andrew Wilsonme to slavery one. And two, the people here don't like it. And three, right? Uh this is our nation. We don't have to share it with anyone. >> They don't like it on the >> Your ancestors were immigrants and my

Charlie (Feminist)ancestors were immigrants. And they had to they had to >> They weren't immigrants. The immigr No. First of all, >> okay, my ancestors were immigrants. That's great. They were immigrants. And >> but let's take it Let's take it all the way Let's take it all the way back to the beginning. Do you

Charlie (Feminist)>> to the colonizers? >> Yeah. No, they weren't colonizers. >> Yes. They made colonies. They made colonies for European countries. What do you call that? >> So did the Native Americans who came here from Asia. They made colonies. They were colonizers.

Charlie (Feminist)>> So the a colony a colony has to have like a base. It has to have like a base country. >> Yeah. It has to. >> So indigenous people packing up all their crap >> in in Asia and moving and that's their permanent settlement. That's different

Charlie (Feminist)than having a colony. >> What? I'm sorry. I'm confused. >> Most of the colonizers were not living there forever. It was colonies. People went back and forth. Are you aware? colonies that were under the jurisdiction of of European. >> Do you consider all Asians to be the same people group?

Andrew Wilson>> No. >> So multiple people >> incredibly diverse. >> So multiple people groups came here over the span of thousands of years. >> Yes. >> Okay, great. So then guess what that means? That if you have people who come

Andrew Wilsonall the way over here and they make themselves a nice home base, right, it's now their land. And then more Asians come across that land bridge, right, to wherever they're at and they make themselves a little base. They're doing

Charlie (Feminist)what, Charlie? They're colonizing. >> That's not what a colony is. Can you give me the definition of a colony? >> Pull up a colony.

Brian Atlas>> A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country. Another definition, a group of people of one nationality or ethnic group living

Charlie (Feminist)in a foreign city or country. So it would be under definition control of another foreign nation from afar. That's not He just read it aloud. >> Read part again. Definitions have two.

Andrew WilsonThis has two different definitions and you're selectively only picking yours uh out of convenience. Read definition two for colonies. >> Go against every part of American history. >> No, it goes against your stupid feminist

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] Read read section two. >> Colonies. Colonies are are a >> They were colonies, too. Those were colonies also. And also what I gave you examples of are also colonies. It's >> even going to grant that absurdity. Like

Andrew Wilsonthen what were the >> Can you read definition? Charlie, stop spuring. Charlie, stop spuring. Charlie, stop spuring. Charlie. Charlie. Just let him read the second definition. >> A group of people of one nationality or

Andrew Wilsonethnic group living in a foreign city or country. >> What's your objection, Charlie? What's your objection now? >> Okay. So, tell me. What's the objection now, Chuck? What is it?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Normal people with brains understand that when we say colonizer and colony, it they're called colonies because it is under the control of European nations. Are you going to doubt that? What was

Brian Atlasthe foreign nation that controlled the indigenous the indigenous nations? >> Can you read definition one, Brian? >> Yes. a country or area under the full or partial political control of another

Andrew Wilsoncountry, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country. >> So, Charlie, what you're talking about right now, you're right, those are colonizers. And what I'm talking about right now, are also colonizers.

Andrew Wilson>> What city did they settle in? What nation did they settle in? >> Well, if you want to look up the Aztec nations, we can. If you want to look up the uh >> weren't there until they went there.

Andrew Wilson>> And then other people came after and settled in those areas and built colonies >> and they were not within foreign nations or foreign. >> Yes, they were foreign to them. Yes, of course.

Andrew Wilson>> Those were not settled areas. >> They were settled areas that over so this land bridge existed between Asia. >> I know that there were various but they were not they were not colonizing foreign nations. According to the

Charlie (Feminist)definition that we just read, unless you can tell me why that definition's wrong, they were >> unless you can tell me what what freaking vassal state they were. They were sub

Brian Atlasforeign nation they were read the definition again or two >> a group of people of one nationality or ethnic group in a foreign city or country. think that ind you think that

Charlie (Feminist)indigenous people living in the US have they are colonizers if I were to even grant that which is ridiculous in the same capacity that European settlers were colonizers >> okay do you understand that what you're

Andrew Wilsondoing right now is facious it's called equivocation I literally separated out the two concepts both are colonizers both you say only one is yet I gave you

Andrew Wilsonthe definition right a legitimate definition for colonizer, which includes you just have to be part of that ethnic group and go to a foreign land that

Andrew Wilsonalready has people in it and now you are a colonizer. And so the thing is Charlie is like, I'm sorry that we colonized the colonizers, but it's definition or

Andrew Wilsondefinitionally true that we did. They were colonizers first. Sorry. Sorry, Native Americans. They colonized first. >> Those were not settled lands. I I do not accept this. >> Oh, they weren't. They weren't settled land. So you didn't settle. So how over

Charlie (Feminist)how many thousands? >> Did Yes. Did indigenous peoples fight over land? >> Yes. >> Yes. Correct. But were they colonizing the areas where they settled in? >> If they were migrating one ethnic group

Andrew Wilsonmigrating to another land which was already occupied. They were colonizing it. Natives did it all the [ __ ] time constantly. They moved all over. The Plains Indians did it all the time. The PBLO nations did it all the time. The

Charlie (Feminist)South American uh very far South American tribes did it all the time. They were constantly fighting. >> Do you think that that is the kind of language that the average person would use to describe what the Native Americans did? >> Yeah, I think if it was explained to

Andrew Wilsonthem, they would. Yes. I think that what's happened is a bunch of you [ __ ] artists gave us the myth of the noble savage. >> Is that from the Gracie Strangler? >> It's the myth of the noble savage. The idea.

Charlie (Feminist)>> No, I know what the noble savage is. I am incredibly well aware that there were many indigenous tribes that were very violent. >> It's not just that. No, no, no. No, that doesn't capture that they took land from each other.

Andrew Wilson>> Doesn't even begin to capture. No, no, no. They weren't just very violent. Don't you tell the truth they were raping kids? Why don't you tell the truth that they were taking people on top of pyramids and cutting their

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] hearts out and sacrificing it to raw? Like, what do what these weren't? It wasn't just like they were a little different than us. They were a little more violent. They were No, no, no. They weren't the same. It was a completely

Andrew Wilsondifferent people group. >> You think you're They were [ __ ] colonizers. >> Yeah. The whole different brand. >> Do you know what? >> Whole different brand. If I came across a people group that was sacrificing

Charlie (Feminist)human beings and also essaying little kids, I'd [ __ ] take them out, too. >> Well, pagan nations or pagans uh allegedly have done things like that.

Andrew Wilson>> And the Christians converted them from their heathenistic barbarians ways, didn't they? Do you think that the Spanish Inquisition was was uh civil?

Andrew Wilson>> No. The Spanish Inquisition was Catholics in a single region. >> It was a single region when Catholicism owned the whole world. >> What they did what they did to each other. Was that Was that civilized? >> No, of course not. >> It was crazy.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah, I agree. >> It was awful. >> But you're also talking about an organization which spanned the entire world and controlled it and one region of it had issues like that. It's like I'm just bringing up an example Christians doing bad things. Like it's

Andrew Wilsonnot >> Christians do do bad things. But again, if I were to come across a society that did that, that was doing that type of [ __ ] I completely understand why they got [ __ ] wiped out. I get it. >> Well, you know, the Aztecs, yes, you

Andrew Wilsonknow, there were indigenous that were uh >> and the Incas and I mean, the list goes on and on were not they were not as violent. The Aztecs were >> Yes, the Mayans were very violent. >> Pretty much take the cake, I feel like, for the most part. >> Well, whatever the point is is like look

Andrew Wilsonindigenous tribes. >> They were colonizers is my point. And feminists have been lying to people for years. And so have progressive leftists and pretending that Europeans came here and colonized these poor people's lands

Andrew Wilsonand took them over. They were already colonizers. So who do they get who who would you have recommended they give the land back to? Like who should they have given it back to? >> Uh that would have to be determined by them.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yeah. Cuz we stole their stolen land. Did we steal their stolen land? as ludicrous to consider the like the the American colonies to be the same as that

Charlie (Feminist)at all? Like do you do you like when we say colony and colonizer? You understand that people think of the American colonies, the 13 colonies, right, that were under jurisdiction?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Do you understand how you're equivocating again? Like when you're saying >> this is integral to American history though that there were colonies that rebelled. Well, when you say colonizer, you mean a colony, right?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yes. People that pe foreign people that live in a colony established by a foreign state that they are under the jurisdiction of that exists primarily for trade purposes >> or an ethnic group which goes to an

Charlie (Feminist)already settled area, >> right, and begins to settle it against the will of the people in the settled area. >> That's a suggestion of trade and of a foreign nation being in control of that area. >> It doesn't have to be. That's not

Andrew Wilsondefinitionally true. >> I mean, I guess very technically, but that's not how people would use it. >> It's not how you leftists use it cuz you want to pretend. You want to pretend that the natives weren't colonizers themselves when they were,

Charlie (Feminist)>> cuz they were. >> I think it's referring to a very specific historical context. >> No, I think that it's just trying to say white people are bad because they came and took the Indians land >> like meanie heads

Charlie (Feminist)>> on the on the basis of how those colonies functioned. They were under the jurisdiction >> of of foreign nations and they rebelled against them and established the United States of America and were no longer

Andrew Wilsoncolonies. Like this is it's not me being a annoying lesson. >> Yes, I agree with basic American history. I don't understand your point though. >> When you call us colonizers, is that meant to like be be nice to us

Andrew Wilson>> or is that >> is it meant to be disparaging? >> It's a fact. >> Is it meant to be disparaging? Uh,

Andrew Wilson>> yes. It's clearly meant to be disparaging. >> Not in every context. >> Are you going to gas Are you really going to try to sit here and [ __ ] gaslight me? That when you call us gas that when you call us colonizers, that's

Andrew Wilsonnot meant to be dis [ __ ] gaslight me, Charlie. Go ahead. I'm listening. Gaslight me. >> It's a fact. If I call my ancestors colonizers, that's what they were. >> Some of them were, some of them weren't. >> Yeah. And it's not Is that meant to be disparaging, though? Isn't it?

Andrew Wilson>> It's a fact. >> Is it me? Is it meant to be? I'm not asking you what's factual. I'm asking you if it's meant to be >> negative or positive. >> If I go over to an an ugly fat chick and I say, "Hey, ugly fat bitch." Right. That's factual, right?

Andrew Wilson>> I mean, do you think >> Hang on, Charlie? Is that factual? >> Uh, well, we don't know if she's a [ __ ] >> Okay. Well, is it factual that she's ugly? If I just say, "Hey, ugly fat lady." Is that factual? >> Oh, beauty is subjective. Fat, baby. Fat

Andrew Wilsoncould be factual. >> Is that meant Is that meant to be nice? No, it's mean. >> Say, so it's disparaging. So again, now that we know that you know what that [ __ ] word means, and I'm not asking you for the truth of the matter. I'm not asking you if it's factual.

Charlie (Feminist)>> When you say colonizer, is it meant to be disparaging or not? >> I'm not saying it's disparaging. >> I'm not saying it in a disparaging way. I could use it in a disparaging way. I

Andrew Wilsonhave, of course, historically used it in a disparaging way because there is a negative connotation. >> Yeah. Because you mean it. You [ __ ] all mean it in a disparaging way to say white people are bad and you're just g

Andrew Wilsonliterally right now. This is the worst example of gaslighting I've ever seen in my life. >> White people are bad. >> Huh? >> Do you think I think white people are bad? >> I I think when you call them colonizers,

Andrew Wilsonyou're doing it in a disparaging way. And how am I a colonizer by the way? >> Well, that wasn't all white. I didn't call you a colonizer. >> Who is the colonizer then?

Andrew Wilson>> Any of the ancestors that immigrated to the colonies. I see. So like if my ancestors immigrated to the colonies, am I a colonizer? >> No, your ancestors were. >> Oh, okay. So not me.

Charlie (Feminist)>> No. >> So I have nothing to do with that then. >> Uh I mean I think that those like historical circumstances are still reflected in the >> of course. Of course. Yeah. So I'm the

Charlie (Feminist)beneficiary of the evil white colonizer. >> Yes. When your ancestors have the opportunity to make a lot of money. Yes, you do benefit. Then don't cast light me next time, Charlie. And just be [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonhonest and say, "Andrew, when I say colonizer, I mean bad white people." Because that's what you mean when you say it. Isn't that the case? Instead of gaslighting and bullshitting me, why don't you just be like, "I mean bad

Andrew Wilsonwhite people." >> Sure. I don't think all the colonizers were evil people. >> I know, but when you say it in a disparaging way, you're saying bad white people. >> If we're talking about America specifically. Yes.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. But anyone can be a >> just next time don't [ __ ] gaslight. And so the thing is so funny is like >> this is why I have to tell you what a colonizer actually is. >> No one uses it in that context. >> I don't. No, you people don't use it in

Andrew Wilsonthat context because you want to disparage white people like you just admitted. That's why you refuse to give people the second definition of what a colonizer is. Because you want to disparage white people. You want to pretend that the Indians who were here

Andrew Wilsonweren't colonizers when they [ __ ] were. and you just wanted to spare it. And so that's why it triggered you when I said, "Hey, uh, the Indians who were here were colonizers." And you were like, "No, they weren't. That's ridiculous." They were too, Charlie.

Charlie (Feminist)They were. >> I'm triggered by it not out of race reasons. I'm triggered by it because it's just wildly inaccurate. Even the most right-wing people say refer to the 13 colonies as colonies. >> They are colonies. I'm not disputing

Andrew Wilsonthat. >> They are colonies and would not use that word. >> Do you know what both and means? Both and. Yes, it's true 13 colonies were colonies, but it's also true that Native Americans were colonizers. Both are true, >> but that's not the word that people

Andrew Wilsonwould use. >> No, it's not the word you people use cuz you want to disparage white people. That's the truth. >> It's because there's a very, very, very heavy implication that there is a foreign white people. No, that a foreign

Charlie (Feminist)nation has control of those colonies. That it is under the jurisdiction of of a foreign nation. Puerto Rico is an American colony. >> That's correct. I agree. >> Yes, it is. It is a it is a a colony under the jurisdiction of the United

Andrew WilsonStates. We are foreign nation. >> I also agree I also agree that um that there can be colonies that have no central home nation that it's ethnic group groups who could be migrating who

Andrew Wilsoncan create colonies like the Huns did. Do you agree that they that when Huns began to Rome or when the um um what was the the other big one? Not the Huns, the

Andrew Wilsonother big Asian the Mongols, >> right? when they when they began to Rome, >> if they decided that they were going to start building on other people's lands, even though they didn't have a central land they were, you know, they were reporting to, weren't they colonizing that land?

Andrew Wilson>> I mean, if it was all under the jurisdiction of their leader, yeah, I would say so. >> Then the same thing happened with the natives. That's the same thing. They had leadership inside their tribes. They they traversed these massive land

Andrew Wilsonbridges over the span of hundreds or and thousands of years. So, they were cons consistently colonizing the same lands. Charlie same [ __ ] >> I just don't think it

Andrew Wilson>> You don't think it because then people can call Native Americans colonizers and it'll piss them off. That's why >> even if you said that it wouldn't even be in the same context of of white >> Yeah. Because there is a moral coloniz there's a moral equivalency to be gained

Andrew Wilsonthere. Yes. It's like why is it okay that they can do it as long as there's no like other nation they report to? As long as they just do it cuz their tribe tells them to. It's the same [ __ ] I mean, are they busting in and taking

Andrew Wilsonland from people, slaughtering them? >> Yes, they were. Yes, they were busting in and taking land and killing [ __ ] people. Yes. And they, by the way, the natives did that. >> Yes, I'm well aware. >> Yeah, constantly. What do you mean? Yeah, they did that. >> Was it in service of that foreign state

Andrew Wilsonthat would have control over? >> It doesn't need to be. That's where you're definitionally just lying because you want white people to be bad. >> I don't want white people to be bad. Then why did you admit that you're just trying to when you say the colonizer,

Charlie (Feminist)you're using it as a disparaging insult towards white people. That that's how you use it. >> Well, I didn't say it. I said in this it is typically a in a negative context when that word is used >> towards who? White people. >> Usually white people. Yes.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yeah. Usually white people. >> Usually white people. But it's also a fact, man. I don't know what to say. I don't >> It's also a fact that Indians did it, Charlie. in your fa [ __ ] this why >> I am well aware of the hate of violence

Charlie (Feminist)and slavery this is why I hate feminist revisionism people I am very well aware >> of the that indigenous peoples participated in rape torture slavery and violence I'm super aware of it you don't

Andrew Wilsonneed to tell me that >> got it we have five chats looked like did you want to >> I was going to have smoke but I'll I'll do I can do the chats first unless you want me to have I'll take the smoke first actually That's take the smoke

Charlie (Feminist)first. >> I got to pee unless someone wants to ask me about that question or there's one for me, I guess. >> Okay, sure. >> Um,

Brian Atlas>> James, uh, oh, well, it's below the threshold. Uh, you know, uh, okay, why not? You're lucky, James. You're lucky. Below the threshold. Enjoy. Charlie, why aren't Mexicans

Brian Atlascalled colonizers? They're descended from Southern Europeans. You won the lottery here, James. uh took land from the indigenous people just like northern Europeans. >> They are

Charlie (Feminist)they are called colonizers. Indigenous peoples in Mexico are uh you know still still oppressed even by people who share their blood. Do

Charlie (Feminist)you know how many white Americans uh even you know settlers people considered legally white also had Native American ancestry? It's it is what it is there in

Charlie (Feminist)California. white settlers and Mexican settlers would be paid to hunt down uh indigenous Californians. >> So, yes, like yes, that is a

Brian Atlas>> uh guys, Andrew's on his smoke break. We're going to as soon as he comes back, uh we have some Q&A coming up. I know they came in a while ago Q&A $100 plus

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