Andrew Wilson vs. Charlie (Feminist, Leftist) | Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show?! | Whatever Debates #22

Date: 2025-11-09

Duration: 6h 17m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCharlie (Feminist)>

AAndrew Wilson >

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Andrew Wilson(host)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Rachel Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_05Charlie (Feminist)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces Andrew Wilson vs Charlie debate on feminism

Key MomentAndrew: women voting on war while men die is 'fundamental injustice'

Key MomentBureau of Justice Statistics on interracial crime read aloud

Key MomentCharlie admits she doesn't know what 'per capita' means

Key MomentRachel Wilson crashes debate by phone after Charlie attacked her family

ControversyCharlie: Rachel's life 'would have been better spent' if she aborted her children

Key MomentCharlie reveals she was on testosterone for 10 years (FTMF detransitioner)

AgreementAndrew and Charlie bond over Tolkien and Lord of the Rings

Topics Discussed

COVID Lockdowns vs Feminist Choice

Andrew challenges Charlie: supported lockdowns but supports pro-choice. Inconsistency.

Women Voting / Draft

Andrew: unjust that women vote on war when men bear combat risk.

Abortion and Birth Control

Charlie argues abortion essential for economic equality.

Interracial Crime Statistics

Andrew presents DOJ stats. Charlie contests conviction reliability.

Colonialism and Anti-White Rhetoric

Extended debate on 'colonizer' definition.

Rachel Wilson Crashes Debate

Rachel calls in after Charlie's comments about her children.

LOTR and Tolkien

Post-debate friendly exchange on Tolkien, Christian allegory.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> Where did Where do you see that? >> There. Uh, I'm wearing a baggie shirt. >> I don't know if you know how clothing works. >> Good times. That That's from uh the the

Brian Atlaspasty George comment there. She she saw it there. Uh, Pasty, thank you, man. Appreciate it. And uh, guys, if you want get a final uh, Q&A question in,

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Andrew Wilsonuh, when there's a large viewership. First of all, I wanted to thank all of the wonderful people, whatever, for hosting me again. very kind of you and the Crucible crew also appreciates that. Um, and even you [ __ ] haters, you

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Andrew Wilsonthat Saturday and if you buy tickets, you're going to be able to come. So, I hope to see all of you there. >> Rock and roll. We have a uh Q&A question here. >> A message from

SPEAKER_01>> statement rather. Thank you, Pasty. George donated $2004. In Canada, I remember when the word colonizer was used by many natives to make white people feel bad or to shut

SPEAKER_01down arguments or meaningful dialogues, mainly out of spite, prejudice, or racism. >> Thank you, George. Appreciate it, man.

Brian AtlasThanks for tuning in. Good to see you. All right. Um, looks like I'll let some more Q&A's come through if they'd like. Uh we did get a

Brian Atlaslittle bit off uh topic, but I thought it was interesting. Convo, you know, we talked about disparities between uh perpetrators when it as it relates to race. We talked about the uh colonizer

Andrew Wilsontopic. >> Yeah. Just so you know. >> Yeah. >> We've been debating for hours now, man. >> Yes. >> I did actually have one question. >> Yeah, sure.

Charlie (Feminist)If you were to try to convert me, a staunch feminist that has uh loved loved going to school, loved the freedom to

Charlie (Feminist)choose uh you know my my career path, um loved the freedom to do as I please with my body, how would you convert me to um

Andrew Wilsonyou know being not into feminism, to not to no longer being a feminist like >> to sell you on my worldview? >> Yes. Like how would you sell me? I will I will answer to this. >> Okay. >> Um even though you're what you're asking

Andrew Wilsonme is the hardest thing in the world to do. I'll still try. >> But I want the concession and promise from you that after I'm done making my attempt, you're going to make yours. And how would you convert me to your worldview? Is that a deal? >> Absolutely.

Andrew Wilson>> Got to go right in the mic otherwise they can't hear you. >> Yeah, absolutely. Yes. >> So here would be my pitch. My pitch would be that the society that you have

Andrew Wilsoncreated for us is [ __ ] and people hate it. They [ __ ] hate it. And that's why you got Donald Trump. You got Donald Trump. Because people hate the [ __ ] society that you feminists have made for

Andrew Wilsonthem. And here's why they hate it. Because all the things that you consider to be freedom aren't freedoms at all. They're just taking away people's freedoms under the guise of freedom. For instance, if I asked you about gun

Charlie (Feminist)control, I'm guessing that you would want gun control, right? strict stricter gun control. >> Mildly stricter in the sense that I think people with like significant mental health issues documented should probably not be allowed to

Andrew Wilson>> curtailing curtailing gun control. Okay. Curtailing freedom on the second amendment. On the first amendment during co C19, did you think that the government it was appropriate for them to go in and remove what they considered misinformation for the good of the public?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yeah. >> I don't have a solid opinion on that one. Well, earlier you did and it seemed like >> you said removing misinformation, like going through and like like uh >> Yeah, they worked with tech companies to remove what they considered misinformation. >> That's not what we talked about earlier. >> That's what they did.

Andrew Wilson>> That's different. >> I know it's not different. >> It's different than we were talking about shutdowns, were we not? >> Yeah. But the part of the lockdowns was that they were depersoning people because of what they considered to be misinformation and the government was

Andrew Wilsonworking with the technocracy in order to do that for the good of all people. And it's like I guarantee you at the time if I go back and look at whatever content you were making, if you were making

Andrew Wilsoncontent at that time, I don't know, >> but I can promise that whatever social media you had, you were probably very much in the uh we need to get rid of misinformation camp,

Andrew Wilsonyou know, because all of you guys were. And so it's like under the first amendment uh it seems like you know the the feminist and the progressive movement which is basically a part of

Andrew Wilsonthe feminist movement does what it can do to curtail freedom there too and it doesn't seem like you really want there to be much personal freedom. Even if people say, "Look, you know, I just want to live among a people group that I'm familiar with and I have a preference

Andrew Wilsonfor and an attraction to," you're like, "No, that's unacceptable." And you're a bad person for even wanting to do that. And there should be legislation that stops that. And there should be legislation which stops you from having

Andrew Wilsonyour preferences for who you hire and fire and things like that. It's just I guess my biggest pitch to you would just be this. Like it's really funny from for me that these Christian nationalists get

Andrew Wilsonthis rep that we're like fascist dictatorial crazies who want to take away freedoms and yet every single time I talk to one of you feminists or I talk to one of you progressives and it's basically synonymous at this point. I

Andrew Wilsonmean there's no progressives really who aren't feminists and there's no feminists really who aren't progressive. It's it just seems to me like the totalitarian nature of everything that

Andrew WilsonI've seen has come from you guys. Like the C19 lockdowns, the the p the COVID passports, the where are your papers, that was you guys. The remove all of the information because the government doesn't like it from private websites

Andrew Wilsonand put pressure on them to do it. That was you guys. The the whole idea of you need to wear your state sponsored piece of clothing, the mask, you know, that came from you guys. It's like all of the

Andrew Wilsonfascist dystopian things that I can imagine that that Orwell was warning about and things like that that doesn't come from us. That always seems to come from your you guys. The

Andrew Wilsonpeople who are the fascist hunters seem to be the very worst at at real freedom >> here by any chance. >> Well, hang on. Hang on. Let me let me finish my pitch. Okay. >> Before you ask me questions about it, right? So, if you wanted me to give you

Andrew Wilsonthe most convincing >> the most convincing argument that I possibly can, it would just be this. That everything we talk about is actually you curtailing freedom, not me. And everything that we end up ultimately

Andrew Wilsondiscussing seems to come down to the fact that you just want to kind of engage in degenerate behaviors. And that's the only freedom you seem to care about. The freedom to promiscuously have sex and then have an abortion to take

Andrew Wilsoncare of that if you need to. Even if it's the case that by removing that there would be less unwanted babies born, you still think that we need to have that because, you know, people just need to be able to [ __ ] if they want and

Andrew Wilsonbe promiscuous if they want, have STDs if they want. It's like it always seems like the freedom that you guys advocate for is only a freedom towards degeneracy and never actually about freedoms that

Andrew Wilsonare really intrinsic to the human experience. And kind of even more than that, I would just point this last thing out, which is, you know, if you had if you had a

Andrew Wilsonsociety where it was really full of of more people like me, right? But it was full of people who did take their religious seriously, religion seriously, and they took their family dynamics seriously and they took the things that

Andrew Wilsonthey were doing seriously in regards to morality and ethics and how to treat people and not sacrificing the whole for the small percentage of [ __ ] you know, LGBTQ people and this and that.

Andrew WilsonHow would the world really be a worse place? Objectively, how would the world that you live in really be worse? it I and I just don't think that I've ever heard a compelling argument for how

Andrew Wilsonit would. And so I think that I would try to make for you instead of logical appeals, I would just make a purely emotional appeal that like the world for you would actually be a much better

Andrew Wilsonplace if there was more Christian nationalists like me and less Charlie's with your worldview. Well, I wouldn't be able to go to school if that was, you know, people's >> women. Listen,

Andrew Wilson>> because again, it was it was indeed feminism that, you know, >> Yeah. I've heard this argument a lot, but can I just point something out? >> Sure.

Andrew Wilson>> That with this idea that women could be educated, right? And they, by the way, they basically always were able to. They flew around with elites all over the place, especially early feminists, and

Andrew Wilsonthey went abroad to to study and things like this, but What what that became was women should get educated. And what that became was a lot of student debt and a massive

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] racket. And college is not about rewarding the best and the brightest or not everybody could go. Okay? It's really right now the degree that you have. An eighth grader 50 years ago

Andrew Wilsonknows more than you [ __ ] know, okay? About history, about math, about social sciences. An eighth grader 60 years ago knows more than you do right now. what you think.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. Not only do I think it, I think that if I gave you a test >> that an eighth grader would have 60 years ago, you would fail it with your college degree. And the reason for that is because you didn't get any [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsoneducation at school. You got a lot of student debt at school. That's what you ended up with cuz it's a giant it's become a giant racket. And if it was really about the best and the brightest,

Andrew Wilsonthen not everybody could go. And maybe everyone shouldn't go because it's really really for for most of it, the stuff that you learn in high school, right? Why is it that every high school person, high school educated person I

Charlie (Feminist)come across seemingly is just as intelligent as every college person I come across? >> That's an interesting perspective. I haven't had a similar experience in my lifetime. >> Yeah. you have a bias preference and I

Charlie (Feminist)don't like your bias towards elites, right? Elitism. >> Um, I do, you know, I grew up in an educated household, but I was also primarily raised by a very conservative father who was also a doctor. So was my

Andrew Wilsongrandfather. >> And was your conservative father a dummy? >> No. >> Then why was he then why was he conservative? >> Uh because it benefits him personally to

Charlie (Feminist)me. Oh, so he was just immoral >> uh for pursuing his own ends. I don't know if I would say that. Um he >> You're not sure if your own father was immoral or not? [laughter]

Charlie (Feminist)>> You're not You're not quite sure? >> No, I mean uh unlike all of us here, my dad is responsible for saving thousands of lives. He has put out a lot of good in this world.

Andrew Wilson>> And would your father leave this earth >> with a clear conscience no matter what his beliefs are? >> Let me Can I ask you this? Would your father who saved all these thousands of people agree more with my worldview or yours?

Andrew Wilson>> No. Uh, I think he would find your worldview strange. Um, >> that's not what I asked. I didn't ask if you would find it strange. I asked if he would agree with it more than yours.

Charlie (Feminist)>> I don't know enough about your worldview, I think, to agree or disagree, but I think that he'd be >> How about his political alignment? Was his would his political alignment line up more with mine or yours? >> What is your alignment politically? Like

Andrew Wilsonwhat do you want the government to >> far rightwing? Yeah. Far right-wing conservative. You could say my political alignment would be um something more akin to limiting suffrage to people who getting it back towards what our founders had.

Andrew Wilson>> Uh some other things would be like uh fiscal conservatism. I have a belief in that. I have a very strong dislike for socialism. Have a very strong dislike for communism. have a very strong dislike for eliminating people's access

Andrew Wilsonto capital, which I know brings more people out of poverty than any other single system on planet Earth. Like, would he agree more with that type of stuff? I have a strong preference against mass migration, and I think the government should be doing more about

Andrew Wilsonit. I think that we should lock up our southern border. I think that we should do a lot more uh when it comes to um deregulating gun control. I think like

Charlie (Feminist)stuff like that. Would he be more in line with that? I think that my dad is rather he skews libertarian more than anything. And I think

Charlie (Feminist)>> well libertarians are definitely going to like that more than your view. [laughter] >> I think your [clears throat] proposal to limit suffrage I think would would um

Andrew Wilson>> libertarians love that idea. Generally >> limiting access to voting, limiting people's individual freedoms. >> Oh, wait a second. That's not limiting their freedom. What it's doing is stopping the right to vote.

Andrew Wilson>> No, it's stopping you [ __ ] from collectivizing and becoming tyrants. And that's what you've done with the vote. You've collectivized and become [ __ ] tyrants. A tyrant of the majority, a tyranny of the majority, a slight majority, and you become [ __ ] tyrants

Charlie (Feminist)just like you were during CO 19. That's not you. You didn't free anybody. Who are you freeing with your [ __ ] policies? Like, how are you making our lives better? >> The power that the executive branch has now. I mean, like, the executive branch is the strongest it's been in ages. Like

Andrew Wilsonwhat what do you think? >> No, it's not. It has less power than it did under Jackson. Significantly less power than it did under Jackson. And by the way, can I just point this out? Right. When you're talking about Donald

Andrew WilsonTrump, he has the same exact powers that the president Joe Biden had before him. The same ones. He had he doesn't have a single additional power. Not a single one. >> What about the [ __ ] that the Supreme Court ruled that he cannot be held

Andrew Wilsonresponsible for uh specific illegal acts that he committed? Yeah. Well, look, this was early understanding of case law with the president is that you're not going to be able to allow states to prosecute the president of the

Andrew WilsonUnited States or else a state who was just upset. >> No, it's not. It's the opposite. >> A state that's upset at the president could bring him in for [ __ ] trumped up charges and he's the federal executive. That would create a

Andrew Wilsonconstitutional crisis literally overnight. It would it would create a constitutional crisis. We have diplomatic immunity for diplomats. They come in and commit a crime. We can't put them in jail. Even though they committed a crime, we can't put them in jail. They

Andrew Wilsonhave diplomatic immunity. Our own president doesn't have immunity from state prosecution. Yeah, he he kind of has to. Otherwise, California Governor uh Nuome right now, Nuskum, would bring

Andrew Wilsonhim up on charges of treason if he could and would try him in California under the state code if he could. He would do that. >> W love that. I hope he does. >> Okay. Well, then guess what? If that's the case, then why shouldn't the

Andrew Wilsonpresident have the ability to do that to Gavin Newsome? He could if he wanted to, you know, I don't know, start a case against Gavin Newsome. >> No, I'm saying why does the federal authority not give him the perview to do that >> for the same reason

Andrew Wilson>> to charge him on a state level >> to charge him at a federal level for He can't just be like, "Oh, he committed treason and go charge him." You can't have the state charging the executive branch. You can't have them doing that. >> I think you can.

Charlie (Feminist)>> No, I think not only can you not, the Supreme Court even ruled you can't. >> I think you should be able to. I think that's ridiculous. I think we need to be able to hold our leaders accountable and not put too much power in their hands

Andrew Wilsonbecause I am against authoritarianism. >> Okay. So, let's say California does that. They say, "Hey, uh, we're going to go ahead and bring up Donald Trump on

Andrew Wilsonand he needs to appear in court." How does California enforce that?

Andrew Wilson>> In this day and age, I don't know. That gets tricky. I wouldn't trust Donald Trump to >> Are they going to send California agents to arrest the president of the United States? Do you think >> we could send the National Guard and

Andrew Wilsonstart a civil war, >> our National Guard, the California National Guard, but that would be treason. >> So, let me I'm going to I'll try to rephrase this. I'm going to reframe and I'm just going to be totally honest with

Andrew Wilsonyou. >> I will never be able to convince you of my worldview. >> You will. >> I know. But the reason is not because I'm not a great orator or I don't make

Andrew Wilsongood points or I haven't said things which should be compelling to a person. But Charlie, I just think honestly you're too [ __ ] stupid to understand them. >> So Andrew, can I um sell you on my worldview?

Andrew Wilson>> Yes. >> Your wife has three baby daddies and has been married twice before. >> And you under your >> You lick sn >> under your religion. >> Uh-huh. You lick snizz. >> What does that >> You're a [ __ ] dyke. Don't talk [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonabout my wife, you stupid [ __ ] Shut your [ __ ] mouth. >> Shut your stupid [ __ ] mouth. >> Your wife with the three baby. >> What did I just say? >> Your wife with the baby. >> Sorry. I'm sorry. Dyke, is she morally inconsequential in comparison to your

Charlie (Feminist)ditch licking? >> Do the men that you try to do? The women that you try to your hatred against the women that you shouldn't do. Charlie, did I bring your family?

Andrew WilsonDid I bring any of your family into anything? stupid. >> Did I say anything about about your family being stupid, Charlie? It's because I'm better than you, Charlie. >> No, it's because you're embarrassed and you know that the traditional values that you try to sell people on are [ __ ] because you are not a

Charlie (Feminist)traditional man. >> Chuck, let's go through it. >> You are not a traditional man. >> Let's go through it. Chuck, tell me what I'm doing which is immoral. >> What you're doing which is immoral. >> I think that you have been complicit in uh convincing young men >> Mhm.

Andrew Wilson>> that >> No, no, no. My family dynamic. What am I doing being married to my wife? >> I think it's immoral. Then why? So then under my >> So all you did So wait, so wait, Chuck, all you're doing is saying

Andrew Wilson>> So Chuck, should I be should Shouldn't you actually be saying that Andrew, >> you're doing you're doing a good thing? Hang on. Hang on, Charlie. I just want to make sure I got this right. >> Uhhuh. >> Am I doing a good thing?

Andrew Wilson>> Am I doing a good thing? >> Do you think your wife is a charity >> by taking by taking by taking care of children who weren't mine? Was I doing a good thing whose fathers abandoned them? Was I doing a good thing? Yeah, you're doing a good thing. >> Oh, okay. Well, then Chuck, why did you

Andrew Wilsonuse that as a form of personal attack on me even though you think I'm a good person doing a good thing? >> I'm convincing you of my worldview. >> You're very convincing, Chuck. >> Under my worldview, >> I'm a good person.

Charlie (Feminist)>> You can you can marry your wife and no one would judge you. And you can raise the children that aren't yours and no one would judge you. >> No, they would still judge me, Chuck. >> Under your worldview, that would not be so. Christian nationalists.

Andrew Wilson>> Mhm. Yeah. What about even acceptable? Do you understand what what Christianity is? Do you think >> I was raised Christian? Were you? >> Yeah, I was >> Protestant. >> Yes, I was. >> Of course. See, >> this is

Charlie (Feminist)>> You don't You don't I'm sorry. >> Because the Protestant The Protestant spirit is still in you. >> Oh, it is. >> It hasn't It hasn't left, man. >> Is the Catholic spirit still in you? >> I wasn't raised Catholic. >> Then what are you talking about?

Charlie (Feminist)>> I was raised Protestant. >> Okay. God, you were raised Protestant. Yeah. Yeah. So, why would you why would you [ __ ] criticize me for that? >> It's the It's the thing that Protestants do when they convert to like Orthodox or Catholic is they they get really into the idea of like

Charlie (Feminist)>> Hey, Chuck, can I ask you? >> They get really into the idea of rules and Chuck, have you ever had an abortion? >> No. >> Never? Would you? >> Yeah. >> So, you'd kill your own kids. Why am I going to take moral advice from you? >> You don't have to. >> I'm not going to take moral advice from

Charlie (Feminist)you. >> So, you're all you're trying >> I think that you worldview. >> Okay. Which part which part am I lying about? you I think that you pretend to be a traditional Christian man, but what I see >> never said once that I'm a traditionalist.

Andrew Wilson>> What I see you doing as someone who claims to be a Christian is spreading hate. >> Okay. >> I think that you >> All right, Chuck. Fine. See, you you got me. You got me. I'm a stepfather, Chuck. What did I do wrong?

Andrew Wilson>> What did I even do wrong from my Christian worldview? Chuck, by being a stepfather and a good father to kids who needed one, Chuck, can you tell me? >> That's not what I was referring to. >> No, no, it was what you were referring to. a step. What you were trying to do, but

Charlie (Feminist)Christian nationalists are not Christlike. You are what am I saying? What am I doing? What am I doing except taking care of people? >> What you're doing is you are espousing to be a good Christian man. But what do you do with your life is you don't help others. You sit around smoking cigarettes.

Andrew Wilson>> I thought I did. I thought you just commended me for helping others. Didn't I help children who weren't even mine? Chuck, >> that's not what you do with your life. >> Yes, it was what I did with my whole

Charlie (Feminist)young life. My entire youth. Your job is debating women who aren't formal debaters and literally mocking young women in >> Do I only debate? Do I only debate women or do I debate the best debaters in the world? >> You sometimes do.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. So, shut up >> if they let you. And what have you done? What have you done? >> I have a masters. >> Yeah. You haven't done [ __ ] You don't have a family. You've never taken care of another human being besides yourself. And on top of that, let's just point this out. You have not debated with

Andrew Wilsonthose people because they think you're too [ __ ] stupid to do so. >> Well, yeah. I'm not someone that does debate for fun. >> No, it's not because of your debate skills. It's because of your IQ skills. >> I do it for [ __ ] fun. >> Well, the only thing that you could come

Andrew Wilsonup with this entire time after this nice, pleasant debate. It's true. I did say I think you're too stupid to understand my point. >> Yeah, that's true. So, don't [ __ ] rude to you. >> I would never have attempted to attack one of your family members. >> You could do it.

Charlie (Feminist)>> I know. But I wouldn't, Chuck, because I'm a better person than you. >> Oh, well, you wouldn't be able to because all of my family members are better people than you. Well, I mean, but I'm a better person. >> That's what I meant when I said that my dad has spent his life helping people.

Charlie (Feminist)You have spent your life >> to the masses and propping yourself up as a [ __ ] leader. Essentially saying >> I am a leader. Are you saying I'm not? >> You are inconsequential.

Charlie (Feminist)>> And Chuck, what does that make you >> inconsequential? Okay. But I'm not ashamed of it. And I I'm not ashamed of it either. >> I don't aspire to be consequential. >> Chuck, you do you as I didn't want any

Charlie (Feminist)rules that you supposedly But at the end of the day, what you want to do is you want to be the leader. You want to be in charge. You do not have humility. >> Oh, and and >> your own church hates people like you.

Andrew WilsonThey hate the Orthodox. Why don't they Why is it that they won't excommunicate me if they hate me so much? Why do instead I get clergy members who send me I mean, I've got hundreds of DMs I can show you from clergy who thank me for all the catechumans which are coming

Charlie (Feminist)into their churches. Chuck, >> I mean, I've debated with those. What are the catechumans? What did you say? I've debated with them and they are um >> You've debated with the catechum or the best the men that you've convinced to

Charlie (Feminist)convert to orthodox Christianity. >> Yeah. You've debated them. >> Chuck, you're calling someone else an idiot. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And they were your idiots that bought your course and I stomped them. And even people who were saying like, "I disagree

Charlie (Feminist)with you, but you stomped them." So your course is also >> What were their names, Chuck? Who were they? >> Uh I could describe them to you. >> Describe them. >> White guy wearing a hat with an orange mustache and blue eyes. The other guy was also a white guy in a hat, but with

Charlie (Feminist)slightly darker skin and a large nose. >> Well, that really narrows it down, Chuck. >> I mean, I could go through my >> That really narrows it down, Chuck. >> My messages with Sarah, but again, these are people that have uh

Andrew Wilson>> So, the entirety The entirety of your assault is that I'm not doing anything wrong. What you were trying You are doing, >> hang on, hang on. But in my family dynamic, I'm not. But you only brought up my family dynamic, which you don't think I'm doing anything wrong in in

Andrew Wilsonorder to what? You wanted to disparage me in front of other people. Isn't that what you were trying to do? You thought that once you prove that >> Did you want to reveal to everybody the great secret that's not a secret? Chuck, >> I wanted to prove to you that my

Charlie (Feminist)worldview allows you to live the life that you are living. So does mine. No the [ __ ] it doesn't. Christian nationalist, the average Christian hates divorce. >> They would say to your wife, "Stay with that abusive, horrible man. You married

Andrew Wilsonhim. That's your husband." >> You're totally wrong. And I debate the issue all the time constantly. >> All right. Okay. Well, good luck with even under even under Catholicism. And by the way, Christian nationalism advocates for this as well. If there's

Andrew Wilsonabuse in the home or abandonment or things like this, of course, that's grounds for divorce. They're against things like um uh not getting rid of show cause, right? Like you have to show a cause for divorce. You have to create

Andrew Wilsonjustification. They're against things like no fault. That's the things they're against. Nobody's like, "Oh, there are some people I agree. There are some people who have been like, "Well, even if you're getting beaten up in a [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonin a relationship, you should stay." But you know what happens when you actually hone down on what they're saying? They're actually saying, "Wait a second. What I'm saying is that that's something which can be worked through. That's not

Andrew Wilsona thing which instantly nullifies the marriage and that as Christians, you should try to work through that first before you end the marriage, especially if you have kids." That makes a lot of [ __ ] sense to me. >> Did you have a Did your wife had a no

Charlie (Feminist)fault divorce? Was it no fault? I'm not going to get into my personal life with you, Chuck. >> All right. But if you're saying that Christian nationalists are uh you know, they're pro- show cause but against uh at fault divorce, then

Andrew Wilson>> it's the same. >> Okay, Chuck. Well, what happened is this her her ex-husband went in the room and beat her half to death and ripped Shut up, Chuck. >> That's horrible. >> Shut up, Chucky. But you want me to relive it and you want me to tell you about it, so I will. >> I'm asking if it was >> No. Shut up, Chuck. It's my turn to tell

Andrew Wilsonyou. All right. >> And ripped out half of her tongue. ripped it out of her [ __ ] head. And so the thing is funny, Chuck, I just want to point this out. Thanks, by the way, for reminding me of that. >> Yeah, you're

Andrew Wilson>> um can you can you just can you just help me out with this? Um which Christian nationalist would say that divorce under those circumstances was not appropriate? >> Who's the dude that was berating his uh

Andrew Wilsonhis his pregnant? >> You tell me. Is it Steven Crowder? >> Yeah. You think Steven Crowder, who's one of Rachel's best friends, would tell her that that was one of >> her best friend.

Andrew Wilson>> I didn't say it was her best friend. >> One of that's one of her best friends. >> Yes. And one of mine. >> Jesus Christ. I mean, that's what I mean, man, is you was >> No, no, no, man. What I mean, man, is

Charlie (Feminist)you just said that Steven Crowder, >> it is pro Steven Crowder. You're saying that Steven Crowder >> you were telling your wife's like hor you are you are talking about her horrific trauma and then you're saying like that that like freaking Steven

Andrew WilsonCrowder >> Steven Crowder didn't lay a finger on his wife. >> You are hanging out with abusers of women that want to trap women. >> Steven Crowder never laid a finger on his wife. You lying [ __ ]

Andrew Wilson>> As far as we [ __ ] know. >> No. As far as she claimed publicly. You [ __ ] idiot. You don't even know anything about the case. You stupid broad. Can you tell me? Can you tell me that Hillary Crowder has said that

Charlie (Feminist)Steven Crowder ever touched her ever? >> Cuz she's then why are you making these allegations of women? >> How? >> It was cuz she got into a He got into the way that he spoke that support that

Andrew Wilsonyou've been in worse arguments in relationships than that. I guarantee it. >> I haven't. >> Oh my god. You people are the worst liars. You're the worst liars. The most

Andrew Wilsonuncharitable [ __ ] people. The worst lying sex. You just made an accusation that Steven Crowder abused his wife. Total lies. Said that he beat her up. Total [ __ ] lies. Said that he would

Andrew Wilsonhate Rachel Wilson, who's one of his best friends, right? You're a [ __ ] idiot. You don't know what you're talking about. >> [ __ ] this whole night. And you >> you literally don't know what you're talking about. You literally Chuck, just

Andrew Wilsonstop. You're an embarrassment and evidence. You would be like, "No, it's not. I watched your debates." Well, Chuck, I'm surprised you didn't learn from any of them >> because good lord, it was a terrible showing for you the whole night and you really ended it with a flourish. Let me

Charlie (Feminist)tell you, >> I didn't come here to win. >> Yeah. Well, I'm glad cuz that wasn't going to happen. >> Not with your [ __ ] audience. This audience, it's all [ __ ] incelss. [laughter] >> It's all incels. >> Yes. >> Well, your audience is all a bunch of

Andrew Wilsonditch licking [ __ ] What do you want me to say? >> I like them better than you. >> Yeah, you should. >> I do. Enjoy them, Chuck. >> Got you real red in the face. >> My My hands were on my face just now,

Charlie (Feminist)Chuck. >> Before >> because my hands were on my face, Chuck. It was >> It's performative, Chuck. >> I don't know. You looked pretty angry just a second ago, Chuck. >> You were pretty upset. >> That's what my face looks like.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Normally, I told you this even before the debate began that I have heavy set eyebrows. I look angry naturally. >> You You got it, Chuck. >> I have a big scary eye. >> I know. I know, Chuck. I know. I get it. I get it. Thank you for making all those

Charlie (Feminist)baseless accusations about people, though. That was very kind of you. >> I mean, thank you for promoting a worldview that is justifies racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic. >> I guess that that justifies for

Andrew Wilsonspreading hate. Thank you for contributing to ruining a generation of young men. >> Yeah. So, I guess that justifies any evil thing you want to do, huh, Chuck? Radicalizing out of approaching. These are the same exact reasons that they shot Charlie Kirk.

Andrew WilsonSame reason that your trans friends shocked Charlie Kirk is because you think it's >> transgender friends. You think it's okay. Your trans friends. This is why you think it's okay. >> Transgender man that shot Charlie.

Andrew Wilson>> Oh, give me who's [ __ ] a trans. >> Give me a break. And by the way, let's point this out, Chuck. I just want to point this out >> that it's the justification that you can do any evil thing you want to me because

Charlie (Feminist)you think I espouse a bad worldview. That's exactly what got Charlie Kirk killed. You were the one. You were the one arguing that we should go in and violently colonize or blow up people because they do things differently. And I was the one >> because they're molesting children. Chuck >> with love and

Andrew Wilson>> molested children. >> Love and kindness. That's what I >> Tell the audience what the come warriors do, Chuck. >> We They already know. >> Do they? >> Yeah. And you said [ __ ] blow them up. >> Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm sorry that I would

Charlie (Feminist)blow up pedophiles, Chuck. That's terrible of me. I'm a real bad guy. Smoky Chuck. Smokey man. Bad Chuck. I'm I'm certain that the person who shot Charlie Kirk thought the same thing. >> Yeah. Smokeoky man bad. Even though I do

Andrew Wilsonnothing in your worldview, me being a stepfather is not problematic. There's a million stepfathers. >> You commend me. You commend me, of course, for doing that. You say it's a good thing that I do that, but you bring it up anyway because you want to attack me. >> Neutral. I mean, do you do you make

Charlie (Feminist)those children feel like they are like a like a charity case that you have just done such great things? >> Oh, so I'm sorry. So, I shouldn't do it because if I do, what? >> No, but you should be normal about it. >> What does that mean? You brought it up. >> Don't treat it like it's like, "Oh, I'm

Charlie (Feminist)such a good man for doing this thing and taking in this broken, abused women." Like, it's like I don't like the way you're talking about it, dude. >> Oh, how should I talk about it, Chuck? >> Like a normal person. >> What does that mean, Chuck? >> It should just be a fact. It should just

Andrew Wilsonbe neutral. >> Okay. It is a fact. And I You brought it up cuz you wanted to use it as something disparaging, but you can't figure out how it's disparaging. It's disparaging because it goes against the worldview that you

Charlie (Feminist)>> What part of me marrying a woman who was divorced goes against my world? >> Say gnarly things about promiscuous women and that they're disgusting. >> That's not promiscuity. >> You say three baby daddies. Yes, that's >> Wait a second. Wait a second. Help me out here. How many times have you had

Charlie (Feminist)sex? >> I couldn't count. >> How many different partners have you had? >> Oh, it depends on what you would consider sex. >> Men. >> Men? >> Yeah. How many of you [ __ ] Chuck?

Andrew Wilson>> Certainly under 10. >> Yeah. And she has three. Three long-term relationships. And I'm one of them. >> Okay. Chuck, can you tell me can you tell me which one which one of you are

Charlie (Feminist)promiscuous? >> Through through having had children with them, forever tied to her. That's a much stronger bond than a hookup. >> Okay. So, but help me out. You [ __ ] way more women than my wife and she's the promiscuous one. >> You wouldn't consider what I do sex,

Charlie (Feminist)would you? >> You [ __ ] men. You said you [ __ ] 10 men, Chuck. >> I said under 10. You wouldn't consider You would not consider the sex that I've had with women to be sex. Is that what you said?

Andrew Wilson>> No, I'm talking about men. >> Then why'd you bring up women? >> I was I didn't try to. I was talking about men. >> Okay. >> So, yeah, Chuck, you [ __ ] way more. >> None of them got me pregnant. >> You Yeah. Well, who cares if they did?

Charlie (Feminist)You would just abort the kid. >> I mean, yeah, but >> Yeah, cuz you're just a sick [ __ ] >> I'm not a sick [ __ ] I think I think it's cruer. I think it is cruer to have children when you are unprepared and bring them into an unsafe household. I think that

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll make sure to let my step kids know that they shouldn't have brought brought in the world cuz Chuck wishes that her mom killed them because then she couldn't say you had three baby daddies, could she? >> Go ahead and go ahead and tell them. >> I'll go ahead and tell them, Chuck, >> tell them. Tell them.

Charlie (Feminist)>> I'll let them know, Chuck. >> But it's every time you talk about how older women are undesirable, women with pasts are undesirable. You are dating a woman. You are married to a woman. You are >> Can you Can you tell me what my position is? I've seen your tweets.

Charlie (Feminist)>> What's my position? >> I've seen the way that you speak to sex work. Can you tell me what the way that you speak? Was my wife a sex worker? >> Sex? >> No. She has three baby daddies. >> Okay. So, not a sex So, not a sex worker. Not a sex worker. >> No, not a sex worker.

Andrew Wilson>> Okay, great, Chuck. >> But then you talk to promiscuous women. >> So, she had three So, she had three long-term relationships and did what she was supposed to do in them when she's married, which is have children. >> Yeah. And how did that turn out for her? >> It turned out great. I I She ended up with me

Andrew Wilson>> half her tongue ripped out. That's >> Yeah, but she's been with me for almost what? [ __ ] 18 years. >> What's your longest term relationship, Chuck? >> Three years, but I'm in my >> Three years. Three years and 10 guys.

Charlie (Feminist)Well, you got a way to go, Chuck. >> I said under 10, but I'm also in my 20s. And you're in your >> I married her when I was in my 20s with her. What do you mean? >> She was in her 30s when you married her then. >> Uh, why she I don't

Andrew Wilson>> She's 5 years old. >> No, she's she's not 5 years. She's three years older, you idiot. >> Oh, my bad. My information was wrong then. >> Yeah, because you got it from a dumb [ __ ] didn't you? >> Which dumb [ __ ] >> Tree of Logic. You got it from a stupid

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] and that's why your information's bad. What else >> is Tree of Logic the name of something? >> Yeah. What else do you think? What else do you think, Chuck? Do I have an illegitimate black child, too? >> No. >> Was that wasn't part of your information? >> No.

Andrew Wilson>> Oh. What else was part of your information? How much older is my wife than me? >> 5 years. >> Oh, okay. Well, how old is she then? >> She's 43. If you said it was 3 years. >> Wait, how old am I, Chuck? >> 40. >> I'm 41.

Andrew Wilson>> Okay. Well, she still has three baby daddies, which you confess. >> So you So you're So you were wrong about that, right? You're wrong about that. >> Does she not have three baby daddies? >> No, she didn't have three baby daddy. Men you're married to aren't baby daddies.

Andrew Wilson>> A baby daddy is a man that gets >> No. No. Your disparagement there as as fun as it is, right? Remember, she's not here to defend herself either, cuz she'd knock you the [ __ ] out probably. But >> she would hit me. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. She if you if you personally attacked her, I'm sure she

Charlie (Feminist)would. >> Well, I wouldn't have personally attacked her, though. I might have gently suggested that they gently suggested to submit to their husbands and blah blah blah blah blah is kind of >> that created great outcomes for her, Chuck. >> Is this a great outcome?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Sure seems to be for her, >> because I mean, being with you and I think dedicating your life to being a content creator that just like debates and that's the extent of your your Christian goodness, I wouldn't consider

Andrew Wilsonthat the high living. Consider that. >> Chuck, is that the extent of my Christian goodness? >> Probably. >> Tell me what I do. >> This is what you do with >> Tell me what I do with all that money I make. Chuck, >> I don't know. >> But I I thought you just told me what

Charlie (Feminist)the extent of my Christian goodness was. >> The impact that you leave on the world, >> whether you donate to charity strongly doubt that you do. >> You strongly doubt that >> what you do. What you do with your worldview is you use it to feed your

Charlie (Feminist)ego. What you do with your career. >> My ego. >> Yes. Your ego. >> My ego. >> Your ego. So tell me, tell me, Chuck, can you help me out here? >> And I know that this is the thing about pride, too, because the first time we debated, you said to me, you just humiliated yourself in front of all of

Charlie (Feminist)these people. And when I said, I've been on bigger platforms, you said, >> uh, no you haven't. >> What bigger platform were you on? >> Uh, well, I was interviewed by CNN once. Uh,

Andrew Wilson>> no. So you weren't on a bigger platform, Chuck. So So I was right. Shush. >> So I was right, Chuck. >> I was right. >> Cutebot in 2024. Yeah,

Charlie (Feminist)>> I had a viewer average about of about 10,000 and I went on her show with Morgpie and I was subject to uh >> Uhhuh. >> a lot more people and greater scarier things. >> Oh.

Charlie (Feminist)>> Um, so I guess now technically Brian's platform is the largest platform I've been on. >> Oh >> yeah. >> Gotcha. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But before that it was mine. >> That's awesome. >> No, it was Cutebot. >> Oh, it was Qbot. >> Yeah. >> And how many people were watching Qbot

Charlie (Feminist)at that time? If we go pull that stream, we'll find the numbers >> when we were debating. I'm not referring to her numbers at that time. I was referring to her viewer average in 2024 when I went on her dating show with Morgk viewers concurrent.

Andrew Wilson>> Gotcha. >> That is what I'm referring to. >> Okay. >> And that is far more immortalized than this will be. >> So help me out with this though. I just want to make sure that I get all this

Andrew Wilsonright. So ultimately, um, you think that it's okay to, uh, try to use these disparaging things against my wife who's not here to defend herself. Why? What did she do to you,

Charlie (Feminist)Chuck? >> I'm trying to convince you of my worldview. >> Yeah, but what did she do to you, Chuck? >> Uh, I mean, I think that being a married to you is um, >> it's enough to do whatever evil you want to her, isn't it, Chuck? >> Was what I said evil or wrong? Was it

Andrew Wilsoninaccurate what I said? Was it inaccurate what I said? You remember how earlier a lie? >> Yeah. But was it what are you trying to use it as disparaging like you do with >> colonizer? Hypocrisy. >> Where's the hypocrisy?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Because of the worldviews that you >> tell me what I espouse which is hypocritical. >> Time convincing men that older women are undesirable. That women with past are undesirable. I have scrolled through your freaking tweet. I've seen this.

Andrew WilsonI've seen what you said. You have built your >> Give me the position, Chuck. Give me the position I have. The position you think I have, which is hypocritical. Women are undesirable. An 18-year-old will always be more desirable than a than a [ __ ] >> total [ __ ] lies, Chuck. So, here's my

Andrew Wilsonactual position. >> That was actually one of the first. >> I guarantee you, you'll never find the tweet. And when we're done here, I'll send you a thousand bucks per tweet that I'm wrong about. Promise. So, here we go. You ready? My actual position. As women get older, they're generally less

Charlie (Feminist)desirable than when they were younger. >> Uh-huh. >> Anything else, Chuck? Am I wrong? >> But do you think >> Hang on. Hang on, Chuck. Am I wrong, Chuck? Am I wrong, though, Chuck? Uh, depends on who you ask. >> I'm asking you.

Andrew Wilson>> I like older women. >> I'm asking you, Chuck, in general. >> And my mom and all of her. >> Yeah, Chuck, I know. But in general, Yeah. But Chuck, in general, >> is it not the case that in general, as

Andrew Wilsonwomen get older, they become less desirable to men than younger women? In general? >> Not now. I don't think so. I think there's an age cap. So, if I were to show you stats of when men respond and

Andrew Wilsonsay that they would prefer younger women over older women, they're lying, >> maybe. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> I don't know. You can never trust statistics or where they're from. Never said that either. Never said that either. I say that every study needs to

Andrew Wilsonbe vetted, but okay. So, anyway, what's the next position that I espouse, which uh which I probably don't. That's that makes me a hypocrite. >> So, I want to say that as an outsider looking in, what your platform looks like is it's teaching young

Charlie (Feminist)>> Yeah, I don't care about that. How am I a hypocrite? What am I saying? That's hypocritical. >> Hypocrite because you are married to a woman that the men that you are influencing to feel these things, you

Andrew Wilsonare married to someone that they would find completely unacceptable because >> I don't think you know my audience. I know their audience. >> I don't have a red pillar audience. >> You do, dude. >> I don't I'm not a red pillar. >> Down all of my my literally not a red pillar.

Charlie (Feminist)>> This because every time after I debate you, what I have is a bunch of dudes hopping in my comments calling me a stupid [ __ ] a [ __ ] and a [ __ ] What does that have to do with me? >> That's your audience. >> No, my audience My audience are Christian nationalists. >> That's my audience.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. And they're [ __ ] >> Maybe, but that doesn't make me a hypocrite. >> Christians. >> What things do I advocate for that are hypocritical to how I live my personal life? What? >> Chuck, you're dating a promiscuous woman.

Andrew Wilson>> How is that promiscuous? >> A woman who has three baby daddies. >> I'm not dating anybody. I'm married. And how is it? How is it promiscuous? She had three long-term relationships and was married >> children with three different men. It's

Andrew Wilson>> how is that promiscu? >> So if her husband died in war and she got remarried me as a Christian that's promiscuous. >> It's different. >> How how's that different than he leaves her? >> It's death. >> How's that different than he leaves her?

Charlie (Feminist)>> The great sanctity of a Christian man. >> But Chuck, I've never advocated that ever. >> So how could I be a hypocrite and everything and do you [ __ ] advocate for this? >> I'm going to start pulling out. I'll

Andrew Wilsontell you what. I'll start pulling out cash. >> I don't want >> pull pull up the tweet. I pull up the tweet that shows me a hypocrite to my worldview. I'll keep pulling out cash until you can >> keep pulling it out. >> Okay. How much do you want? >> I'm not playing your game. >> You're not going cuz you don't have

Charlie (Feminist)[ __ ] >> No, because I'm not going to sit here and dig through your [ __ ] tweets >> because there's nothing there that would make me a hypocrite to my view. Do you think? >> Dude, your platform is literally two normal people reads as insane. Dude,

Charlie (Feminist)>> that has nothing to do with the claim I'm a hypocrite. Chuck [ __ ] >> show me how I'm a hypocrite, Chuck, from my view. >> You spend your time [ __ ] on women. That is all you do. All you do, you discourage.

Andrew Wilson>> But even if I did, even if all I did was [ __ ] on women, how am I a hypocrite? >> Because you are married to a woman with three baby dads. >> And do I ever make a prescription that that's immoral or wrong?

Charlie (Feminist)>> I think you made up rules for yourself that it's okay to fit your worldview. Bro, when have I ever advocated When have I ever advocated that you can't be a stepdad? >> So proud. I think you would be so proud

Andrew Wilsonof your chased Christian wife. That's >> Are you ever going Are you ever going to show me how I espouse views, which I don't believe ever? What do I actually say? >> Watched the [ __ ] that you that you make.

Charlie (Feminist)I You can just watch your clips and see the things that you say. >> Chuck, tell me my position that makes me a hypocrite. Please. >> I just told you. I've told you what I've told you. >> What is it? What?

Charlie (Feminist)>> I just told you so many times. Do you not have [ __ ] ears, dude? >> What did you just tell me? What? >> You are married to a woman that would be considered by the men that you proilitize >> me. Chuck,

Andrew Wilson>> that they are >> me. Chuck, what do I what do I advocate for that makes me a hypocrite? Chuck, what? >> To look for chasteed young women. That's

Charlie (Feminist)not even my >> who are not stained. You all go for sex workers. >> Yeah, they Yes. Good. >> And if I recall correctly, you have said that there is like a girl who's at Only Fans or done sex work is undatable,

Andrew Wilsonunlovable, unmarriageable. >> No, I've never said any of those things. >> I swear to God, I've heard it. >> No, Chuck, you hear what you want to hear. So, here's my actual position. >> Uhhuh. >> And I'll tell you. So, my actual

Andrew Wilsonposition on stepparenting is the same position that I would have on sex work. I'm really glad that you stopped being a sex worker and welcome to Christianity. That's not going to guarantee you a great husband though because your past

Andrew Wilsonwalks with you unfortunately. And when it comes to stepparenting, right, it is true that generally people get uh bad outcomes when it comes to dating and marrying single moms, especially kids. But that doesn't mean all of them are

Andrew Wilsonbad. That's what I've always advocated. Chuck, how come you didn't know that? >> Know that about you? >> Yeah. How come you didn't know that? That's what I advocate. >> Reflected in anything that you said.

Andrew Wilson>> It's because you selectively only want to hear what you want to hear and you only did that to do rage bait because you don't know any of my positions. You never took the time to listen ever. >> Why would I listen? It's all slop. >> Yeah. How could I How could it be sloppy

Charlie (Feminist)you don't even know what it is? >> I also don't think that these are your positions. I genuinely don't. Again, I think that you are creating >> Haven't I made those positions a thousand times on the show? >> Those same positions.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. M >> if I can just really quick >> Mhm. >> you've said Andrew has said certain things. Were they whatever podcast appearances? >> Yeah, I believe so.

Brian Atlas>> Some of the things that you claim Andrew said, I sit next to him for all these appearances. I've never heard him argue. >> Okay. >> So, you just lied, Chuck. >> Well, I still think you're a [ __ ] dude.

Andrew Wilson>> That's nice. But I don't have the positions you claim I have. And it was pretty. And what happened is you just think that because you disagree with me and I'm a bad person that it's just okay to do whatever horrible thing you want to me. And that's what the left does.

Andrew Wilson>> I knew that was horrible. >> Oh, well, what you were attempting to do there was you were attempting to disparage me for no particularly good reason even >> because you called me stupid. >> Yeah, but what did my did my wife call you something? >> Uh, your wife has actually said really

Andrew Wilsonrude things about me in the super chats before when we >> Yeah, maybe she didn't say anything to you tonight, but you know, the thing is >> I don't care. I'll [ __ ] remember it. Yeah, I know. Well, here's the thing. I'll remember this, too, Chuck. And I'm just going to point this out so that you know. >> Hold on to it.

Andrew Wilson>> Well, I'm not going to hold on to it. I'm just pointing this out. I'll always know you as a hypocrite. The person who said I was doing the bad thing and then when I asked her about it said it wasn't a bad thing. That sounds like hypocrisy to me. >> I said it was hypocritical to your worldview.

Andrew Wilson>> And when you could tell me how I'm listening

Charlie (Feminist)>> because you do not live as a good Christian. Uh how would how would that make me a hypocrite in my marriage? >> Because again what you are saying even if you have not you do lead men away

Charlie (Feminist)>> to where the church >> giving >> I lead them I lead them away from what? To church. I lead them to church. >> Men you lead men towards hatred of women. You create incelss dude. This podcast creates incels. I know everyone

Andrew Wilsonjust everything creates incels. So, why are you here participating in >> It's just the thing about like the >> Then Chuck >> creates a bias. >> Chuck, why are you here creating incels with me? >> Oh, I'm here for fun. >> Oh, so you don't mind creating incelss

Andrew Wilsonthen? >> I'm not creating incelss. >> Isn't by you participating in a show which is creating incels, assisting in the creation of incels, Chuck? >> No, this one isn't. >> Oh, this one isn't. >> No, >> I thought you just said it was 5 seconds

Brian Atlasago. >> I think when it's like a >> Oh my god, you're a contradiction machine, Chuck. >> Oh, my bad. contradiction machine. >> Uh Rachel seems to indicate she'd like

Brian Atlasto do a call-in with your permission. >> Oh, absolutely. I'm gonna go have a smoke. >> I don't want to talk to you. >> Oh, no. You talked a bunch of [ __ ] Now it's your turn. >> I think it would be fair. You did invoke >> talk a bunch of [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> You did invoke Rachel. >> I mean, sure. Sure. >> So, Rachel, Andrew gave the green light there. Uh it'll take us a few minutes to get >> your wife. Bring your wife to fight me

Brian Atlasand have stay tuned. Rachel Wilson is in the building spiritually in

Brian Atlasspirit, not physically, not corporeally. You You think this podcast Look, I'm here I'm just here to host and moderate. >> I'm not you I'm not really here to

Brian Atlasdebate you. You think you think this podcast is uh what did you say? Something about incels. >> I worry about the effect that >> closer to Mike. I worry about the effect

Charlie (Feminist)that your podcast has on the minds of young men. Where I see in your comment sections when I've looked is a lot of dudes saying all girls are [ __ ] Every woman these days has an only fans. I

Charlie (Feminist)feel like it pushes men towards distrusting women and I think uh makes the issue of like the sexless incel worse. >> Hold on. Okay. There's a lot there's a lot there. I believe it's sewing

Brian Atlasdivision between men and women. You believe the podcast is sewing division between men. Okay. Well, hold on. Let's start with one thing first. I can address some of your other things here really quickly, but specifically on the incel thing just how do you define incel?

Charlie (Feminist)>> Involuntarily celibate. >> Involuntarily celibate. >> And I would say that a hatred of woman comes along with it. >> Like it it's inherent.

Brian Atlas>> No, but it struggle [clears throat] with dating that my bad. I didn't mean to stress. >> You know what? Really quick though on on that, I actually think men who are like hyper successful with women have a

Brian Atlasstronger tendency towards misogyny than men who have struggles with dating. Like I I actually think it's the case that like mega giga player guys are probably

Brian Atlasmore likely to have misogynistic leanings than guys who like struggle a little bit a little bit or even a lot with dating. >> Mhm. >> Do you disagree?

Charlie (Feminist)>> I think it's 50/50. I I think that it's like to the same I think they both end up I think men on the extremes both end up just being like kind of super shitty

Brian Atlas>> towards women. >> Okay. Uh we have some uh chats here. By the way, uh in addition to the Rachel call-in, >> uh what do you Andrew, what do you think

Brian Atlasabout it if I send my assistant to go get us some In-N-Out right now? We'll do a mukbang on the whatever an In-N-Out. >> It's like you eat on stream. >> I don't know if I have the It's

Brian Atlas>> okay. Three to four hours. >> Well, you know, uh listen, um you you talk some [ __ ] about Steven Crowder. You talk [ __ ] about Steven Crowder. You talk [ __ ] about Andrew. You talk [ __ ] about Andrew's wife. You know, look, I was

Brian Atlastrying I was trying to wrap the show here. Andrew Andrew, you know, I was trying to rap. I was I never like the shows to go long. I was trying to end the show and then you had to in talk

Brian Atlas[ __ ] about Crowder, which by the way, you know, I'm not I'm not debating here. >> What where's your evidence for the abuse? >> The the video where he he maybe slightly had a tone. That's it. >> Yeah. >> That's abuse.

Charlie (Feminist)>> That's abuse. >> And by the way, she's never done anything like that. >> His freak out. His whole freak out about no fault divorce. His whole freak out about no fault divorce, I think, is uh pretty indicative >> of where he stands and how he treats his

Charlie (Feminist)wife and views. Have you ever raised your voice at slightly? [laughter] >> Just curious. >> Depends on who? >> Your pregnant wife. Your immensely pregnant wife. >> Yeah. Thousands of hours of video and

Andrew Wilsonshe set it up for there to be 30 seconds of video that she could go take to a divorce attorney. Okay. Guy who never hit her once. Guy never did anything to her. Still takes care of his kids. And then she tried to [ __ ] negotiate some

Charlie (Feminist)backdoor [ __ ] money dealings with a big network too on top of it. Like you [ __ ] you [ __ ] people are insane. You're insane. >> You think that You think that women who have children with a man like have a desire to like blow up their whole

Andrew Wilsonmarriage? >> Sometimes they do. Yeah. >> Just like Don't you think that there's some men who have a desire to blow up their marriage after they have kids? >> Uh yeah. >> Yeah. But but just not women though.

Brian AtlasThey're malev or benevolent [ __ ] angels and never do stuff like that. Give me a break, Chuck. >> All right. Don't you think there's a higher threshold for abuse? You know, like maybe he his tone was a little bit, you

Andrew Wilsonknow, >> No, he she didn't say that. She said he he beat her up. >> He said he said he beat her up. >> [ __ ] story. I also think he's a [ __ ] loser. >> Yeah, I know. Cuz you disagree with him. Divorce. >> I know. Cuz you disagree with him. >> I do disagree with him. I think he's

Charlie (Feminist)hateful and stupid. >> I know. But so that justifies any bad thing you want to do to him, doesn't it? Just like you did Charlie Kirk. I didn't I think it is ridiculous to to claim that I have a desire to

Andrew Wilson>> assassinate someone. >> What? >> No. No. You see, >> like like they did to like rather than make a claim that >> the assassin killed Charlie Kirk because people like you said Charlie Kirk was an evil Nazi. And so if you tell people that

Andrew Wilson>> he's a bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. And if you tell people that that this person's a really bad person over and over again and that they're Adolf Hitler light and stuff like that, they start to not look at them as humans. >> What do you think happens when you say that all lesbians are morally reprehensible? What do you think? What

Charlie (Feminist)do you think that spreads? You think that spreads kindness? >> I don't think I don't think Show me where lesbians are getting shot because of my rhetoric. >> Cuz if you're I mean, yes, hate crimes do occur because people are

Charlie (Feminist)>> mostly with lesbians. It's between lesbians and they beat each other up. that statistic uh is inaccurate because it was just asking about relationships um which do include past. >> What about the latest statistics on it

Andrew Wilsonthough for domestic violence and with just straight statistics? Maybe you just I'd have to double check. I'd have to double check. >> You can check the studies. Those aren't that's not a study. >> Those aren't studies. Those are just

Andrew Wilsonstraight raw crime statistics. And when it comes to domestic violence, yeah, lesbians like to beat each other up a lot. What do you want me to say? They do. So the it seems like the most amount of hate crimes from lesbians come from lesbians to lesbians. >> Women are like mega sexual predators

Charlie (Feminist)too. Isn't that like a thing? You said that to me once that you think like women in positions of power tend to be like extremely >> Do you want the actual position, Chuck? Do you even care? >> Like do you actually care? Yeah.

Andrew Wilson>> I didn't think he did. I want to go home. He never care. The truth is you just you just hear what you want to hear >> and that's all you hear. Uh, >> you are not someone that I respect

Andrew Wilsonenough to listen to. >> You sat here the entire time and listened to me. >> Yeah. For fun. >> Yeah. For fun. For because you got paid, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But we're not allowed to talk about that. >> Yeah, I know. I get it. But it's really

Andrew Wilsonit's it's funny though to me. Hilarious to me. Um, that you would you would make like these horrible [ __ ] claims about Steven Crowder beating up. Like what a horrible thing to say. What a horrible

Charlie (Feminist)thing to say about someone. You've moved on from your wife to Steven Crowder. >> Oh, no. Well, you won't let her call in. Remember? >> I didn't. I thought she was saying that. >> Oh, okay. Good. >> She said she said you were mean to her.

Andrew WilsonYou should talk to her. >> Yeah, you should talk to her. >> You You can You can ask her to give you the accounting. >> Rachel, are you there?

Andrew Wilson>> I'm trying to get this >> anyway. Yeah, I think that uh I think it's easy for people to justify doing whatever they want to us because you call us Nazis.

Andrew WilsonSo even while you you know you want the lockdowns and the co passports and we're the fascist Nazis. >> [ __ ] crazy. You people are [ __ ] crazy. >> All right. [cough]

Brian Atlas>> Sorry guys. I'm trying to get it going, but Seriously,

Andrew WilsonCharlie incels? Seriously? >> Seriously. She thinks she thinks she thinks that I'm an incel. I'm an incel and I'm married. And >> I don't think you're an incel. >> And most of my audience is married and they're incels. >> You create incelss.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah, but most of my audience is married. So, how are they incelss? You know, like you know, you do realize that we can see our demographics and I know most of my audience is between the ages of about uh 32 and 41.

Andrew Wilson>> Do you think that those men are do you think that there are men at that age that aren't incelss, aren't sexless? >> I think that if most of them are married, if most of them are married, they're not incels by definition. >> Demographics because I also have YouTube demographics and I check if they're

Andrew Wilsonmarried or not. >> Oh, no, no, no, no, Charlie. There's outside groups that do that do a all sorts of audience polling and things like this. And yeah, we've checked what our audience is all about many times.

Andrew Wilson>> And the thing is is like it's funny, >> we even ask them internally. >> Well, it's literally like the worst people possible. >> Yeah, the worst married people possible >> that are making my country dog [ __ ]

Charlie (Feminist)>> That's you that makes the country dog [ __ ] for us, Charlie. >> All right. Well, it's just >> all that freedom to give us no freedom. >> Yeah, I think that >> people being disappeared, families torn

Charlie (Feminist)apart. >> People aren't supposed to be here. >> A lot of them are citizens that are being snatched up. >> No, there's not a lot of them who are citizens being snatched up. >> Even if they aren't, you know what? It's mostly you as a as a follower of Christ. >> Mhm.

Andrew Wilson>> You should welcome them. >> Oh, should I? >> But you're not legit. What should I how how should I how should I welcome them? >> With love and kindness and open arms. >> Okay. Should I let them live? Should I let them live in my house and give them all my money?

Andrew Wilson>> No, you don't have to do all that. >> Why not? Why should I >> them? >> Well, wait a second. Why should I just Why should I just stop? Why should I just stop? It's just like, yay. Why shouldn't I let him into my house and have all my money? Chuck,

Andrew Wilson>> how come? Wouldn't Christ want me to do that? >> Uh, no. That's not how that works. Well, what would what what do you, the atheist, think Christ would want me to do? >> Atheist? I'm agnostic. >> Oh. What would you, the agnostic, what do you think Christ would want me to do?

Andrew Wilson>> I think that Christ would want you to give uh some of what you have >> to >> to the poor, to immigrants, migrants. >> Well, well, G Chuck, >> that's what Jesus would do.

Andrew Wilson>> I give 25% of my money to the poor. How much do you give? >> 25%. >> Uhhuh. >> Oh, can you verify that? >> Yes. >> All right. >> How much do you give? Well, I mean, I give it to the church and they dispense it to the poor. So, yeah.

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