4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

Date: 2025-07-14

Duration: 7h 57m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EElizabeth (4 Kids)>

AAmanda (Security)>

JJenna (Bartender)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Eugina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth (4 Kids)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Amanda (Security)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Pia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie (SPC)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kelly (Cars)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna (Bartender)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sin(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKelly reveals she just exited polycule with non-binary homeless comedian living in hearse

Key MomentElizabeth: 4 kids with 4 different fathers. Tubes tied.

Key MomentBrian announces men's rights nonprofit: child support, alimony, custody reform, banning circumcision

ControversyCircumcision debate: Brian vs Eugina

Key MomentEugina lost virginity at 31 to Black Muslim comedian from TBS show

Key MomentJulie: had sex within 5 minutes of meeting Vegas man, continued seeing him 5-6 times

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sin, Eugina (PhD feminist), Kelly (polycule exit), Elizabeth (4 kids 4 dads), Amanda, Jenna, Julie (SPC), Pia (electrician).

SPC/Sovereign Citizen Discussion

Julie explains secured party creditor status and ministry.

Elizabeth 4 Kids 4 Dads

Kids at ages 18, 21, 24, 26. Tubes tied.

Circumcision Debate

Brian: genital mutilation should be banned. Eugina: hygiene benefits.

Feminism Extended Debate

Brian vs Eugina: selective service, patriarchy, domestic violence stats.

Eugina Lost Virginity at 31

To Black Muslim comedian from TBS show, met on Hinge in Brooklyn.

Julie Vegas Story

Had sex within 5 minutes of meeting man in Vegas. Continued seeing him 5-6 times.

Transcript

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Piamean, what I could rattle off old actors like nobody my age would know them and you know, so in totality del >> uh the hero's pretty good.

Eugina>> You're like the hero of one of her songs. >> I'm the hero of one of her songs. >> I'm the hero. >> Her I mean I love her music hero. >> Oh, >> that was supposed to be a compliment. >> Oh, thank you.

PiaThe guy that I'm talking to loves motorcycles, rides them and everything. >> Yeah. No, I love motorcycle. I like I've been in motorcycle accidents. I'll like mess myself up, but >> Oh [ __ ] >> I'll still uh I'll still ride. >> Oh [ __ ] >> There's a nice Harley. >> Yeah, man. Yeah, I got Harley. That's

Brian Atlasjust what I >> Did you submit any notes or No, >> I thought I did. >> Genie, let me >> I thought I did. >> Maybe I didn't send. >> Okay. Uh you're a Disney adult though. You know that. >> Definitely. Cuz

Amanda (Security)>> yeah. >> How often do you go to the park? >> A few times a year at least. My son, I took him for the first time when he was 3 months. He loved it. >> And all your clothes are Disney themed.

Amanda (Security)>> Most of them. Yes. And I have a huge collection of Loungefly. >> What's your favorite Disney >> movie? I guess. >> God, I'd have to say Who Frame Roger

Brian AtlasRabbit is my favorite. >> Okay. That's kind of That's kind of niche a little bit. Yeah, that one's my favorite. >> Yeah. What about like Princess or whatever? Favorite. Oh my god, that's such >> uh Princess Aurora, of course. >> I shouldn't have said that. >> But Rapunzel, she's a She's a close

Brian Atlassecond, >> though. The hair one with the >> Yeah. Okay. >> No, she's badass. Yeah. >> Nice. Okay, that's cool. Uh let me see if I can find the notes on that. But

Brian Atlasmoving on to Wait, Zena, is that you? >> Eugina. >> Oh, Eugina. Okay. Your name on Instagram is different.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, it's my Russian name. >> Your Russian name. Okay. Uh, you said you have a unique losing your virginity story. You don't know if that counts as a dating story. >> Oh,

Eugina>> what's the what's the mic if you >> Sorry. Um, I don't know. I just said I lost it late and it was uh I'm a Russian Jew and the guy I lost it to is a black

EuginaMuslim Brotherhood comedian who was on co I don't want to never mind I don't want to get too specific with who he is >> nothing who is nothing good >> sure yeah >> or I don't know if that's what you were

Brian Atlasgoing to say >> no I don't want to say what I because then you can identify him never mind >> I don't know I don't know hold on >> if I say Muslim because of their drug usage. What the >> No, if I say what show he was on, it's

Brian Atlasgoing to >> Wait, >> it's going to be able to identify him. >> Was it was it Netflix or >> It was TBS. >> TBS. Dave Chappelle. >> Not Dave Chappelle.

Eugina>> Yeah, it was Dave Chappelle. >> I Yeah, I lost my virginity to Dave Chappelle. >> I don't think he's Muslim Brotherhood though. >> But anyway, um that was my first time.

Brian AtlasIt was intense. Are you uh wait >> what's the story? >> So wait the story is that it was >> Russian Jew loses virginity to >> I was 31 Muslim.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah I was 31. >> You're 30 oh so like 3 years ago cuz you're 34. >> Yeah. >> Was it a Wait, was it was it a one night stand? >> Yeah.

Brian AtlasWhat was it about the him about uh that you >> Were you like trying to >> He was funny. He was funny. >> How did you How did you meet him? >> Uh Hinge.

Brian Atlas>> You met him on Hinge? >> Yeah. >> And then like going into the first date, were you >> I don't know. It was >> knowing that you were going to lose your virginity. >> Yeah. I uh No. No. I didn't know it. >> You didn't know?

Eugina>> No. >> One thing led to another. >> Yeah. Basically. One thing led to another. >> Yeah, he was funny. You know, he was on TV. He was funny. I'm easy. I don't know. >> Wait, chat. Okay, chat, investigate. >> Stop. You're You shouldn't have given them that much information.

Kelly (Cars)>> Chat, who? Chat, investigate. >> I should have been honest. I should have lied, right? >> Black Muslim Brotherhood and he was on a TV show. >> Terrible. >> Yeah, they're going to They are going to find out who he is.

Eugina>> I know. >> Yeah. I That was I'm tired. I shouldn't have said all that. Um, >> it's okay. >> Does his last first name start with a K? >> Okay. All right. >> Plead the fifth.

Pia>> What? >> Ple the fifth. >> What? >> No. Yeah, I would. >> I'm pleading the fifth. >> I decide not to tell you. >> Can we please don't? >> Please don't.

Brian Atlas>> Guys, stop. >> Wait, wait. But so it was no, I'm not going to get into him, but so it was uh where did you go on the date? >> We were in like uh Prospect Heights or

Euginasomewhere in Brooklyn. We went to a burger joint/bar and then he happened to live very close by. >> Wait, so you went next door? >> You went straight to his house pretty

Euginamuch. >> Well, I got a little drunk and Yeah, I went to his apartment. >> So you went to a bar first? >> Yeah. >> You got some drinks? >> Yeah. And >> yeah, and then >> how was it? Was it >> good? >> Oh boy. I hope he never farts time. I

SPEAKER_03mean, who knows? >> Did you tell him that you were a virgin? >> I don't remember. Maybe. >> Was he Was he a >> What do you mean you don't remember? Yes. Was he a phenomenal lover? >> No. >> Did he just blow your mind? >> He was fine.

Eugina>> He was funny. >> What the [ __ ] Chill out, Felicity. >> Felicity. He was fine. >> Hey, chill out. >> Um I don't know. He played uh Fleetwood Mac for some reason on the TV. >> Oh no. >> We smoked a joint.

Eugina>> Uh it was >> Did he know though you were a virgin? >> I think so. At some point at some point in the night. Yeah. >> Yeah. The affair. >> I didn't tell my to my card that I >> Who's the lead singer again? I can't remember anything.

Eugina>> Stevie Nicks. He was playing her singing. >> Black. >> That's what I said. I was like, "Is this what you do with all the white girls you get in your apartment?" He was like, "Yeah." And that was the joke. Anyway, >> why does it got to be always a race? always a gender thing. >> Is he I'm not sure if he's black though.

SPEAKER_01>> Okay. Whoa. >> He can listen to Stevie Nick. >> I don't know who I don't know who you're looking at. Are you gatekeeping Stevie Nicks? >> No. I don't think you found the right guy. It's good. >> Is he in the film industry? >> Totally vindicated. Nope. >> Nope. Oh, no. But she you might be lying about this shot. We're totally

SPEAKER_03vindicated. >> She's trying to Yeah. Jordan Peterson finger movements. >> Sorry. >> She's working above our level. We're hiding. We're hiding his identity. >> Switching things up. I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_03Trying to change that. She's actually half black and not Jewish. Or >> I almost let it slip. D I almost let it slip. Yeah, it's P D. I'm not doing >> there. See, I'm trying to help you out. I'm trying to like

SPEAKER_03>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's P. I was at a freakoff and it happened. Easy. >> Um >> I'm the type they invite to freak off. >> I don't think they discriminate much.

Brian Atlas>> Um you Oh, okay. You said you wanted to speak on the notion of the female and women in their female era. Are you >> Did I say that? >> You did write that. Uh would you are do

Brian Atlasyou describe yourself as a female or >> I don't know. Lately. Yeah, lately. >> When's the last time you had carnal knowledge? >> Long. Long enough. >> It's been long enough.

Eugina>> I recently had a guy. >> Was it since the one night stand? >> No. No. Have there been other men? I >> like didn't know. >> Oh my god. I don't really want to get into it deeply, but yes, the dating or

Euginawomen. >> Yeah. No, listen. Um, yeah, the fem cell era. I don't know. A lot of my friends seem to be in their fem cell era. So, I think I mentioned I don't know why.

Eugina>> What's the female era? >> My female friends are sort of >> not all of them. Some of them >> that can typically cause that. >> No, not really. If you're suffering from being

Brian Atlas>> they've just been they've been wronged. They've been wronged and now they're in their era. >> Okay. I mean, so they're voluntarily celebr

Brian AtlasYeah, that was my 31 year female. >> But what's interesting to me like had you been on dates before? >> Yeah, a few really. I I mean I was seeing someone, we just didn't do anything. Don't you think that? >> But you could have.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> See, I don't believe that women can be involuntarily celibate. >> So female there's >> Well, that's just >> people will >> Well, you may be right. So maybe I'm

Euginamaybe female isn't real. >> I think you were voluntarily celebrated. >> I saw myself that way. But yeah, maybe I was volunteer. >> I think any woman >> I think >> if she makes herself sexually available,

Kelly (Cars)she can get penis. I don't disagree there. Yeah. >> Any man who makes himself sexually available >> can't get [ __ ] >> Yes, he can. >> If a woman is nice, there's 100% girls like that will [ __ ] like you can go find

Kelly (Cars)each other. It's just like do you want to go [ __ ] put in the effort? But the second you brand yourself as an incel, man or woman, like I definitely think it's granted it's harder for like incelss than fem cells or whatever, but they could definitely go find girls to

Kelly (Cars)[ __ ] Go to like your local I don't know, Dungeons and Dragons sermons or something. I'm sure you could find yourself a lady somewhere. >> Like [ __ ] nerdy girls don't have standards. >> Craigslist. >> No, the the idea here is though, any

Brian Atlaswoman can be a [ __ ] Any woman can be a [ __ ] Any woman can be a [ __ ] You could be a [ __ ] Maybe you after you lost your virginity, maybe you became one.

Brian Atlas>> Any man can also get sex. He can buy it. It's for men. It is hard purchasing. >> But that that transcends the understanding of what we're talking about when we're talking about Yes. Then

Brian Atlasthere wouldn't even be a point of making this categorization if it's the case that well both men and women can just procure sex through transaction through just paying for it. What we're talking

Brian Atlasabout is someone who has a base level some degree of desire to have nontransactional sex with you. I mean, listen, uh, it's more of a feeling than a reality. The female

Euginathing. If you feel like a female, you're a female. If you don't feel like one, then you're not. >> I think there's power. Is it I think there's power to that. Like, once you feel that they're undesirable or that they feel that they're fundamentally

Kelly (Cars)unlovable, you know, that's a thing, too. But once you accept that like perception of yourself, then it's obviously like if you see yourself a certain way, then you're going to portray yourself that way to the world. You know what I mean? >> Well, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Brian AtlasYeah. >> Power in rebuking that title. >> But look, the the reality is any woman can be a massive [ __ ] In order to be a [ __ ] as a guy, >> you got to bring a little more. You got

Brian Atlasto bring a little something to the table, you know? or just look at Bonnie Blue. >> I'm just saying you as women, you can

Brian Atlashop on a you can hop on a dating app tonight, 10:13 p.m. on a [ __ ] Sunday in small ass Santa Barbara and y'all good chance you you can find some dick.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, but >> I can't hop on Hinge and get me some last minute [ __ ] on a Sunday night. That's You can't do that. You have no standards. Get some. >> If you have no standards, you can add it to the standard.

Brian Atlas>> No, trust me. >> I trust me. Even if I was lowered my standard, I'm I matched with a [ __ ] will the beast on [ __ ] hinge. I I can't. It's very hard. Very women want

Brian Atlasto feel safe. They want to feel comfortable. They want to plan the date, you know, maybe next day, you know, a couple days in advance. D even then, sex

SPEAKER_01ain't a guarantee. All I'm saying is I here I'll put it this way. You right there. You Eugenia. Did I say your name right? >> Yeah. >> You.

Brian Atlas>> My name is you. Yeah. >> You. That person. >> The person, the agent, the whatever the [ __ ] the other thing is. Okay. I would bet my life savings

Brian Atlasthat if we download, we both downloaded the dating app tonight, you could get dick faster than I could get [ __ ] >> Oh my god, >> I believe that. Who agrees? Who here at

SPEAKER_01the table? Who of the women agree that a good friend Eugenia >> Thank you for that. >> Like a theoretical you though, right? >> Chat, wait. Chat, chat, chat. Do you think Eugenia could get some dick?

SPEAKER_01>> Oh god. faster than I could get some [ __ ] >> or could just tonight. She could get it tonight. I can't. I'd lose. I'd lose. Who? >> You could still get it. >> Which man on the street are you talking about?

Kelly (Cars)>> She's like, are you asking? >> Which homeless guy are you referring to? >> Well, that's her territory. Okay, let's >> She'll hook you up with someone. >> She said, "I'm sorry. That's crazy." Granted, [ __ ] you. I was going to leave

Brian Atlasthat part out. Okay, listen. >> Chat, do you think Wait, just chat. say um Eugenia or Brian, who do you think

Brian Atlaswould be more able to get some tonight? Sunday. Last minute. >> Sunday. Sunday. Sunday. >> Dick appointment. Last minute.

Brian Atlas>> Chill out. Felicity. Calm down. Felic know you though. >> Yeah. Inter will get you far. Come on. >> They know you. You run Santa Barbara. >> They're coming from like [ __ ] Idaho

Brian Atlasand Kentucky or some [ __ ] You think Santa Barbara women want to date me, bro? This [ __ ] liberal city, bro. It's [ __ ] liberal. They don't want to date me. They're like, "Oh my god, he's so toxic. I'm >> just lie what your show's about." Be like, "Yeah, I run a

Brian Atlas>> Santa Barbara women. Don't [ __ ] with me, bro. >> I'm too I'm too moderate for these liberal Santa Barbara women." >> Aren't they college girls? Yeah, >> I got to hit Bakersfield or some [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Well, now we know who wronged you. [ __ ] >> Santa Barbara women. [Laughter] I'm kidding. I'm >> so I'm so hurt.

Amanda (Security)>> Hey. Well, first of all, just to be clear, I'm It's not I've gotten plenty of Santa Barbara posting. All right, relax. Okay, lady. I'm feeding into what you're saying. You're saying you can't get any either you can or you can't see at the last minute.

Brian Atlas>> Look, I'm saying >> in a crunch. >> I'm saying well, also >> on demand. my uh my political views have evolved over time and you know now that I'm a bit more out there you know

Brian Atlas>> got a lot of Camala voters in Santa Barbara >> not not doing me a lot of favors you know what I mean but look I listen >> go to Orange County right >> yeah good idea that's a great idea thank you for uh >> you're welcome

Pia>> thank you for offering that up >> you're getting more am I >> no no he's just adopting you guys at Easter living in Hey, cultural appropriation. Oh god.

Brian Atlas>> Film studies, PhD, concentration in feminist film theory. You also wrote though this fem cell thing, right? Okay. I don't like I don't think women can be fem cells. Uh I think any woman here,

Brian Atlasyou download a dating app, I think you can get dick within 24 hours. I can't say the same thing about men. I don't think that they can download a dating

Brian Atlasapp and within 24 hours have [ __ ] magically appear. Will it? But you know, >> I mean, yes. Men want you to come over at like 2 a.m. to their apartment.

SPEAKER_01>> I would do a very respectable 6:00 p.m. brunch or some [ __ ] Brunch. I'll even do it for still can't get some [ __ ] if I offer brunch. >> Come over at 2 a.m. And >> very [ __ ] up. >> And and yeah, blow me. Yeah,

SPEAKER_01>> I'll meet a girl for brunch. Still ain't getting [ __ ] It's [ __ ] up. Y'all can just be, oh, it's [ __ ] 3:00 a.m. Okay, Denny's. Whatever. [ __ ] >> Okay. A guy can get it super late as long as it's before 2. You go to a bar, there's definitely some 50-year-old lady >> on a Sunday in a [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> avoiding going home to her husband drunk as [ __ ] You like you could definitely kill. She's like, "Ah, you remind me of my old husband." >> Eugeneia, your rest of your notes here. You're like, you guess dating topics would be something like, "Why is there

Brian Atlasthis memeified male loneliness epidemic narrative when men are the ones who are really picky and easily turned off when it comes to women and are quick to ghost?

Brian AtlasYou think men are really picky? Men are the picky ones. >> I mean, aren't you? No. >> More women are choosing. >> I think women are pickier than men.

EuginaGenerally speaking, >> me. >> Mhm. >> I'm >> You're picky. >> And there are a lot of men like you. Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> I'm not that picky. >> There a lot of men like you. Yeah.

Eugina>> I'm not that picky. >> I mean, everyone has a right to be picky. I'm not saying it's a bad or a good thing. I'm just saying men get disgusted easily. It sounds like a you problem.

Kelly (Cars)>> Yeah, sure. It's a me problem. >> I get disgusted easily, too. Like that that meme. >> You get the ick. >> There's a reason like that meme went viral. Like, you know, of all the girls being like the most dramatic ones,

Brian Atlasobviously. Like I saw my boyfriend get in a car accident and it was so gross the way he like >> died. >> Yeah. >> Gave me the my boyfriend died of the >> Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

Brian Atlas>> I'm kidding. Um, but do you actually think that's the case that men are pickier than do you think men are pickier than women? >> I mean, my screenwriting uh teacher had

Euginaa good saying. He said, "Every man has a woman and a dog who will love him." I don't know if the same can be said for a woman that every woman has a man or no that's not a great thing to say but uh

Euginajust like every man will find a woman willing to you know to >> oh show >> to look after him. >> Wait is somebody breathing all over the mic. Is that me? Am I doing that?

Brian AtlasSomebody People in the chat are saying stop breathing. Am I do I don't know if it's me. Maybe it's somebody else. Oh my goodness. Is it me

Kelly (Cars)chat? Am I the one who's breathing or is it somebody else? Chair two. Okay. >> Because you're so mean. >> That's what That's what they're [ __ ] saying. >> I know. I know. >> I was talking to Chad, not you guys. >> Chair 2. Okay. All right.

Brian Atlas>> Should owe you >> uh your PhD program at Glasgow. >> Did I say it right? Glasgow. >> Glasgow. Glasggo. Yeah. >> Glasggo University in film studies with concentration in feminist film theory.

EuginaTheory and female erotic gays. What? What's that? What is it? >> What is female erotic gaze? >> Um, well, that's why I'm looking at those three filmmakers that I mentioned

Euginabefore, cuz I'm arguing that they have what's called a >> reciprocal erotic gaze in the reverse. >> Okay. You said you're an American

Brian Atlasthough, based in NYC and sometimes visiting LA. your positions aren't that common in liberal feminism as you're more of a second-wave leaning feminist and oriented towards liberation versus equality with men.

EuginaUh so can you explain that liberation versus equality? What's what do you mean? >> Um the equality thing is uh it's based on what? Right. There's has to be a

Euginacontext there. I don't think like we've been talking about there isn't men and women are different. I do believe that in essential ways. So what

Euginais this equality thing? Like that whole argument about this conscription was based on that idea that women are inherently different. They're in they shouldn't be in the military. So again,

Euginathe equality argument doesn't work. Um so yeah, the liberation works better as in women just have a right to their own self and to be who they are. That's what

EuginaI mean. >> Mhm. And they don't need to live in the eye or the, you know, they don't live need to live under the watchful eye and

Brian Atlasgaze of men. They can live their own life without constantly worrying what men will think about them. >> I love that for you. Um, so, okay,

Brian Atlasthat's cool. Uh, you also said you have nothing against the LGBTQ movement, but you don't believe men can become women and should be included in women's

Euginamovements. >> I think there can be a third thing. They can be the their own thing. It doesn't have >> men's lib men's liberation. >> Yeah, exactly. >> She's part of your movement.

Brian Atlas>> No, men's liberation is not men's rights. >> Men's liber. >> Don't you want to be free of women? Aren't we annoying? >> What? No. See, this is >> clearly not. >> Like I I This is what's always

Brian Atlasinteresting to me when it comes to these conversations. People maybe have this misjudgment that I like dislike or hate women. I think women are great. I don't always agree with them on everything, especially the ones that come on the

Brian Atlasshow, but I would never say like there's a lot of Missand Okay, I don't know why you're laughing, but I would never say for example that I hate women or all women are trash. Where whereas I see a

Brian Atlaslot of rhetoric coming from feminists He just did. He just insulted all of us. >> How did Explain? >> That's why I was laughing. It was funny. >> What? >> How did I insult everybody?

Kelly (Cars)>> It's cuz the show invites like >> You said you invite women on the show who you dislike. >> No, don't don't agree with. There's a big difference between dislike and disagree with. >> All right. All right. It's getting late. I'm not hearing things correctly. It invites conversation. That's the whole

Brian Atlaspoint. >> Yeah. So I would never ever say that I hate women or like make broad generalizations in terms of like having like saying women are trash. Never say

Brian Atlasit completely abhore and I I would counter men who use that kind of language. Uh whereas there are a bunch of feminists who are openly misandress who will say men are trash. I hate all

Brian Atlasmen. Blah blah blah. and feminists will make will do a defense of this sort of thing, saying that this sort of thing is okay or it's not really that bad. Miss Andrea isn't a big deal. So, that's a huge differential. I think women are

Brian Atlasgreat. Uh, again, there are specific women that I don't agree with, but and I think also I mean, look, we've all had bad like experiences when it comes to

Brian Atlasdating. I think I've actually of the women I have had long-term relationships with, almost all of them have been really wonderful women and I really don't have anything negative to say about them. Sometimes relationships

Brian Atlasdon't work. There's like one or two girls I've had some bad experiences with, but I would not ever paint like all women are bad because I've had one, two, or three bad experiences with some like this group of women. So, I just

Brian Atlaswant to I feel like I've actually never put that out there, but some people are like, "Brian, you're such a misogynist." And they have this warped perception of me, but I can categorically state here that that's absolutely just not the

Euginacase. No idea where the [ __ ] I was going with that, but >> I hate men and you don't hate women. Yeah, I don't hate men. >> Oh my god. Chill out, lady. That's not what that was. >> She's saying you set him up. You set him up or something.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, the men's Oh, no. Okay, I remember where this stems from. The men's liberation thing. So men's rights and men's liberation are separate. So men's liberation is uh male advocacy through

Brian Atlasthe lens of feminist ideology and rhetoric, which I think is a terrible lens to attempt to advocate for men through. So I believe that there should

Brian Atlasbe a separation between men's liberation and men's rights advocacy. Okay? And I'm I'm in the camp of men's rights advocacy. Men's lib is >> okay

Brian Atlas>> femini is men's advocacy through the lens of feminism which is [ __ ] soy as >> so what what are the men's rights that you're >> what are the rights that you don't have >> what are the right what are the rights

Brian Atlasyou don't have >> so men's rights advocacy is is sort of a umbrella term that would >> I'm playing the villain don't you want >> men men's rights advocacy doesn't always

Brian Atlasnecessarily like not every grievance that men deal with specifically have to do with rights as granted by the government. But for example, I'll give you a couple I guess rights related here. So we've already talked about most

Brian Atlasof them actually. So there would be certain like uh laws as it relates to family law. So >> okay, >> if we're talking about custo unfair custody laws, unfair child uh child support laws, unfair alimony laws, these

Brian Atlaswould relate to certain rights. uh for example, lack of uh parental rights, lack of father's rights as it relates to access to their children. Uh there's some differences that can be made there.

Brian AtlasWe already talked about circumcision. This isn't specifically a right, but what I would say is the government restricts female genital mutilation. And what I what I would like to see, excuse

Brian Atlasme, what I would like to see the government do is pass laws that restrict uh male genital mutilation or circumcision. So that's sort of a little bit within the realms of rights force uh

Brian Atlasthe draft selective service. This is also a rights component. And then uh what's the other one? Um I would like to see perhaps uh fairness and equality

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to uh prosecution of crimes between men and women and the uh prison sentences that are uh given. I think there should be more fair

Eugina>> Okay. Okay. Well, I don't disagree with men having parental rights or the prison sentencing. So, there's not an argument there. I'm just saying men can have rights and

Brian Atlaswomen can have rights. >> And one doesn't have to come at the expense of the other. >> I mean, I would actually argue that feminists tend to view things much more through the lens of a zero sum game than than

Brian Atlas>> I'm not your straw man feminist that you want to build up. I don't know. >> Well, I'm not your straw man. Whatever. or whatever that you've been trying to build up all night, but >> I I was simply pointing certain things out. It's fine. >> Okay, cool. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Um, so I don't want to derail too much on that, but I'll continue on with your notes here. So, you're against like uh you're not in favor of the the the tea stuff, basically.

Eugina>> I mean, I'm fine with everyone living their life the way they want to live it. I just don't see why it has to be at the expense of someone else. >> Can you open the door, Nick? Um, right. But you so you'd probably be against uh

Brian Atlasmen competing in women's sports like transgender women, I guess. >> Yeah, they should have their own league or something. >> All right. Well, I mean perhaps we one point of agreement we might have. Uh you think you said that you think current

Brian Atlasfeminist movement has lost the thread and needs to return to a concept of liberation. Oh, okay. Versus seeking equality with men. You relate somewhat with the feminism of someone like Camille Paglia where she believes in

Brian AtlasAmazonian feminism and then women >> wow I wrote all of that >> should be more self-possessed and that me too movement accomplish very little. You also strongly relate to the Okay, I'm not going to get into that. Um

Brian Atlasreclaiming the power of sex and female desire. Okay, >> that's just what my stuff is about at this point. And then you said you're more radically feminist than probably most of the women

Euginawho have been on your show. So, how are you radically feminist? >> Well, because of the focus on equality that is generally liberal feminism. Uh, and mine is a different focus.

Eugina>> What is radical about it, though? >> Um, I don't know. I just think a lot of women spend their life concerned with

Euginahow they're living it in the eyes of men and that I feel should be not something that women spend their life uh living their life that way. I'm trying to be moderate here. >> Okay. So, you're saying like desentering men.

Eugina>> Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. >> Okay. So, what does that look like and why is it radical? >> I think I was kidding. Like I was exaggerating, you know, like when you

Euginawere doing the hypothetical about matriarchy in my hypothetical. >> That was a joke. >> Joke world. Yeah. I would love a you know, a handmaid's tail for men or whatever. You know, that's the It was a

Euginajoke. It was a joke. >> No, but you you wrote here. >> I was joking >> that you're >> It's not realistic. It's not realistic. I just Whatever. Yeah, that's fine. Um

Brian AtlasOkay. >> Uh let's see here. Okay. We did did that. We got to do >> Whoops. >> Can you stop throwing things? >> I know. It's crazy. Abuse. >> Very abusive.

Brian Atlas>> Very sexist. >> Uh, Elizabeth. Okay. Um, you said you're no longer doing Only Fans, no longer dancing. Uh, okay. That's cool. >> W

Brian Atlas>> four kids, four baby daddies. We talked about that, I'm pretty sure. >> Um, are you looking for like a number five or what's up? >> No, my tubes are tied. >> Oh, tied. Okay. Obviously, >> no, I

Elizabeth (4 Kids)so I stopped I got my daughter to Boston, so I stopped dancing and doing OF just like I said I would. >> Mhm. >> Um and then Yeah. No, I'm just I'm getting ready to go back to school in August. >> And yeah. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> You fixed her. >> Nice. The whatever podcast. >> Just kidding. >> Um you say that you may not be living a traditional lifestyle, but doesn't mean you don't long for that and you're trying to get to that point. You wrote,

Brian Atlas"Why women are looked down upon for doing sex work, but the men that fund it fund it, excuse me, aren't looked down upon." >> Yeah, that bothers me. So, >> okay. When you say fund it, do you mean like the men who purchase

Brian Atlas>> who purchase the content? Are you talking about the traditional adult content industry where like most of the pornography producers were men or whatever? No, I'm I'm talking more like

Elizabeth (4 Kids)with Only Fans and like at strip clubs, how the dancers are looked down upon, the content creators are looked down upon. >> Yeah.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> But yet the men that make the the whole industry viable. They don't nothing gets said about them. >> What do you mean? They're [ __ ] simps. I look down on them.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, but as a society, I don't think that it gets talked about enough. >> Wait, wait, hold on. Okay. from a couple different angles here. I think other men are going to clown on other dudes who

Brian Atlasare like [ __ ] gooner porn addicts. Like actual like if if we're talking about masculine men, they're going to look down on [ __ ] gooners. And then two, women themselves will commonly say,

Brian Atlasand this is across the political spectrum, whether I think you're a conservative woman or liberal women, I think a lot of women say, "Yeah, I don't want to date a guy who watches porn." Okay, but like the people that go in the show Hold on. Lots of women say they

Kelly (Cars)don't want to date a guy who watches porn. >> That's crazy. >> Why is that crazy? >> Okay, but you're a gooner. You're in a polycule. >> I'm not a gooner. >> You're a [ __ ] gooner. >> I am literally not a gooner. >> You're a gooner. >> No, but also there is >> You [ __ ] a homeless guy. Sorry, >> dude.

Kelly (Cars)>> Okay, he's a struggling artist just until his career took off. Okay, listen. He was funny, too. Can >> Have I ever been with a homeless woman? Nope. I Oh, wait. Hold on. She was in between places, but whatever.

Brian Atlas>> Exactly. Listen, he was in between, you know, here and stardom. So, >> okay. But, so I think men like there's a there's literally a term that shames these kind they're simps.

Kelly (Cars)>> Trust me, you have it both ways where there's like a pornography epidemic and oh my god, everyone is going I hear that all the time. Like maybe not here, but like on grids panels, they're like there's this huge porn epidemic. You can't be like it's a small niche

Brian Atlascommunity of guys that we look down upon and have an epidemic. I think we can maybe test this super simply. What do

Brian Atlasyou think in comparison is worse? A woman who makes releases one video of

Brian AtlasI'll be fair releases one video of her doing a BG scene, a boy girl scene. So like hardcore sex versus a guy who one time >> boy equals >> one time watches that scene.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> They paying for it. >> Sure. He paid 20 bucks to get access to the >> I mean the girl boy is obviously worse, but I feel like if it's >> So there's scales to it. >> Yeah, 100%.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I don't know because it's like people I did Only Fans and people would pay me just to pay me essentially. But like it would bother me too because >> pornography is free.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> So like weird as in my head I was like you're paying me for what when you can like get it for free somewhere else. >> I mean look there's there's a scale to it though. like some some young guy who paid 10 bucks once to subscribe to a

Brian AtlasGirls Only Fans for one month. Like that's a really small scale compared to some of the whales that spent thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on OAF or like I I don't know. I think there's scales to it. There's levels to

Brian Atlasit. I would not categorize a guy who like one time uh I I I don't think they should do it, but I wouldn't be like, "Oh my god, you're you're uh this one time you you bought like you spent $10

Brian Atlason a chick." >> Call them a s. >> Uh in I don't think in general I wouldn't call him a s. I mean, there would be other factors, but like a guy

Brian Atlasone time purchased OF for spent 10 bucks. uh that specific action not ideal, but to broadly categorize him as

Brian Atlasa s probably not. But like a guy repeating pattern of behavior, >> probably a sim. Like if he's if he's spending monthly and it's an ongoing thing and he's spending like I don't

Elizabeth (4 Kids)know >> the auto payund 100 bucks a month on >> porn. Yeah. kind of a >> I don't know if I wrote this in, but I think a big problem with that too is the instant gratification that society has

Kelly (Cars)now um is a really big problem in the dating scene. >> But ideally, if they are consuming porn, we'd want them to be paying for it, right? Like cuz okay, if we're talking about like ethical consumption, right? If you're going to watch it, like

Kelly (Cars)ideally you'd be funding the creator. So why would we condemn them if it's like if anything that's like the ethical way to participate? >> As a men's rights activist, you should be anti- porn because it's harming you.

EuginaIt's harming men. It's giving them erectile dysfunction. It's giving them porn brain. It's ruining their sex life. It's like brain rot. >> I advocate for men to like to stop watching it. >> Oh, you do? Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Like I But I'm not going to go to the extreme of like a guy who like occasionally watches it. I don't think that's to the level of I still I I still

Brian Atlasthink it's less than ideal. I don't think he should. Why? But like I think yeah if you consume like a video for 20 minutes while if you're a dude and you're [ __ ] beating it or whatever

Brian Atlas>> like every couple weeks. Like I don't get why anyone would demonize watching porn. That's crazy. >> Like I don't think it's the same impact as a guy who's like a who's addicted to the [ __ ] and it's impacting his relationship. Me personally though, I don't watch it at all.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I just haven't like experienced anyone who's actually actually like genuinely addicted to it. I feel like >> there's people out there. There's people I know that there's of uh stars right now that there's guys like buying them

Brian Atlashouses and cars like one single person. >> Losers. >> Follow me on Twitch. >> SS. Yeah, they shouldn't do it. Um but

Brian Atlasyeah, I I think men who are I think they get looked down upon by both men and women. the these like dudes who are like, "Okay, if a guy admitted >> to his friend group, hey, but by the

Brian Atlasway, I spend $500 a month." >> Yeah. >> Like being a pay pig for some like of girl, the dudes would absolutely clown him. And I guarantee you mo if if he

Brian Atlasadmitted that like on first dates to women, a lot of women are going to be like, "Okay, this guy's a this guy's a clown. I'm not going to deal with that." I think most girls are not going to be cool dating a dude who's spending $500 a

Brian Atlasmonth on on Oheaf. >> Agreed. Yeah, I agree. >> Most girls are going to clown on him. So, I think it comes from both directions. Uh, moving it on. You wanted to Okay, we already did the Andrew thing. >> Uh, you had two restraining orders on

Brian Atlasyour ex. Did we talk about that last show, though? >> Uh, okay. That's that's cool. Okay, so that's your notes. >> We did sin Kelly. >> That's me. >> Okay. You Oh, no. Well, you said you

Brian Atlaswere in a poly relationship when you first messaged, but you got dumped or whatever. >> Okay. >> Uh you got something about being nuked. Um >> yeah, that was okay. >> Yeah, I literally >> And then you sent me some chat GPT [ __ ] but Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Whenever there's I mean I you It's actually frustrating. You You guys know what chat GPT What's that symbol where it's uh >> a double dash? Is that What's the double dash called? Chat, what's the double

Brian Atlasdash called? Like here, I'll put it in the chat. This thing, what's that? What's that called? Chat em. I [ __ ] use that

Brian Atlas[ __ ] I've always used dashes when I'm messaging, but now people think I'm using chat GPT because I because chat GPT

Brian Atlasoveruses dashes. >> Dashes like a >> a dash all the time. Okay, >> look at all my YouTube video titles. They all have dashes in them. >> Okay, sure, bro. >> Dead ass. >> Just kidding. Um, so you're not on Twitter.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, wait. [ __ ] Vermillion. >> Stop trying to disparage my name. >> Uh, sorry, Vermillion. >> I don't need AI. >> You were minimized. Vermillion. I don't know if you're still here. Uh, wait. >> No, but the the dumping. Okay.

Kelly (Cars)Literally, I was like playing Fortnite with this guy. This is why you shouldn't manifest. Like if you don't think you have power in your head, literally the guy was like so tripping about this guy. >> Yeah. Vermillion says, "Sorry, what?

Kelly (Cars)>> Oh, sorry." And you can't like stream with him. And then I ended up going to LA and like hanging out with him and his friends that weekend after. >> I love that for you. >> Um, so okay. You said you want to

Brian Atlasquestion why everyone thinks men Wait. >> Oh, hold on. >> Here. Let's do this. Um, you wanted to talk about men and their emotional

Brian Atlascapacity. M uh wait, can you write read what I wrote in the elaboration? >> Sorry, you're killing me, dude. >> I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think I was like half faded when I first specific disagreement I might have with

Brian Atlasthe show hosts is when male emotional detachment is framed as just a biological or inevitable difference between genders. I think it's more nuanced and heavily influenced by culture and upbringing. >> I'd be interested in unpacking that

Kelly (Cars)dynamic and conversation. >> These are these are so much cringier when he's like reading them back to in real time. No, I was just saying um like as far as um like when you have sex like some people say that only women are like

Kelly (Cars)predisposed to like whatever be chemically like bound to them or whatever and like I don't think it's like inherently because like inherently um gendered. I think

Kelly (Cars)like men obviously do too. I think it's probably just so I'm sorry. Damn >> rough >> got through it. What? >> I just said what? >> No, no, no. I'm just saying like it's

Brian Atlasnot like a gendered thing that when you have sex, you're like bonded to someone. >> Oh, I thought this was about you trying to suggest that like men lack emotional, >> right? But that's what I'm saying. Like when they're like, "Oh, yeah. After

Kelly (Cars)women [ __ ] like they're just emotionally attached and like men just don't have that emotional attachment." I'm like, "I don't think it's like that. I think it's just like a societal thing." >> Profound. >> Love it. So,

Brian Atlas>> uh, all right. Final notes here from and then we need to get back. We're finishing up Julie's notes here. There's quite a bit. So, uh, let's see. What do you say to Oh, no. We did that.

Brian AtlasUh, Julie, you wanted to talk about marriage. You're asking me if I'm okay with common law marriage. You'll never get married again via normal channels because of state involvement. Uh, you

Brian Atlascan also have additional info stated, uh, oh, on a contract that's notorized and signed with your partner and added to your UCCC1 filing to address any stipulation. So, that's back to the secured what is it? Secured credit. What

Julie (SPC)is it? >> Secured party creditor. It doesn't it doesn't have to be in that context. You can do a common law marriage without that. >> So, it's just uh >> removing the faux show. Um, okay.

Brian AtlasUm, how does one meet people outside of dating apps? If you don't go out often, uh, you don't want to date, you know, you should, uh, Julie, you should, um,

Brian Atlasjoin, uh, >> a comedy club, >> book club or something. I don't know. You should go to like a >> I feel like salsa, >> like a Trump rally or something.

Brian Atlas>> Qan politics. >> They'd be all over you. Okay. Uh, let's see. Uh, you you disagreed about my Jake Gyllenhaal rating as a 10. I, you know,

Julie (SPC)honestly, Julie, uh, you know, I don't know if I was, was I claiming that Jake Gyllenhaal was a 10? >> You always bring them up when you ask people to identify. >> Well, there was a girl I think I ever Sorry.

Brian Atlas>> There was a girl on a show a couple weeks ago who said she she said she was a 10. And I asked her, "Who's a guy who you think is a 10?" And I think she said

Brian AtlasJake Gyllenhaal. And I was like, "Do you think you can get Jake Gyllenhaal?" >> Yeah, I do recall that. But you've also brought him up several times. >> I don't, you know, I don't >> I just cringe.

Julie (SPC)>> Okay. Well, what's a Julie? You know, what's a 10 to you? >> A 10? Um, >> is Nick a 10? >> Well, Nick's very very handsome, but he's not my like my type. >> Oh, he's not. Oh, sorry, Nick. Sorry.

Brian AtlasSays a little on the younger side. >> He's too young for you. But >> what's the youngest you would date? >> Asking for a friend.

Julie (SPC)>> Honestly, since I've been I would say since I turned like 40. I've only had younger people interested in me. >> I've never had any. I mean, not that there's been tons, but no one my age or

Brian Atlasolder. >> Um. >> Huh. What? So, wait. The older guys, they're not going for you. They're What are they going for? >> Apparently not. But I'm not out and about very often. You're not in the streets. >> Yeah, I'm not in the streets. >> You're not in the streets. >> Good.

Brian Atlas>> Actually, my my favorite guy right now is Pedro Pascal. >> I think he's everyone's favorite. >> Um, your favorite Pedro Pascal, >> but we go for like a Paul Walker before.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. I don't know. He's a bit soy, but whatever. Um, okay. So, anyways, uh, you said, "Oh, these are your old notes. You met someone." Tell me if we went over these last show because if I recall last show, we didn't get to get to some of

Brian Atlasthem. But some of mine are boring after uh you read them back to me. So >> Oh, damn. She's like, "Okay, well, I'll read some." And uh you you met someone on Instagram 5 years ago. He redpilled

Brian Atlasyou. Uh he you you talked every day all day through for like five weeks. He appeared to be very genuine. Made it seem as though he had so many things in common.

Brian AtlasYou guys agreed to meet. You drove to him in Vegas. Damn. Okay. Then he said he had a gambling tournament that same night. And then you suggested we change the night, but he didn't budge. And then

Brian Atlashe said he'd only be gone for a couple hours. Wait. Oh, okay. He told you he was going to take you out. You got there. You guys did our thing. Oh, okay.

Brian AtlasSo, you met at So, you guys hooked up. >> Ow. Ow. >> Yes. >> Julie, did you have carnal knowledge with Vegas Red Pill guy? >> I did. Yes. >> Wait, hold on. >> So soon?

Brian Atlas>> Wait. Is he like a creator? like content creator. >> No, no. >> Community >> fine everybody. >> Wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Julie,

Brian AtlasJulie, Julie, hold on. You said that you disagreed with me on like not sleeping with someone so quickly. >> I did, >> but >> but earlier,

Julie (SPC)>> but I my like I said, my views had changed since then. But also, I did I did acknowledge if you're talking to that would be my exception. If you're talking to someone all the time. >> Yeah. >> For

Brian Atlas>> Right. You do. Okay. So, you do say here that you talked >> every day for five weeks like on the phone or what? >> Text. No, actually it was text because he never spoke on the phone.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, it was just messages. >> Mhm. But after three dates, >> it's too >> No, no, but you you drove to see him in Vegas and then Okay. So, you went to his hotel

Brian Atlasroom, right? >> Or did he have a house out there or? >> Nope. >> Oh, yeah. >> I didn't know anything about him. He gave me a fake name. >> Um. >> Oh, [ __ ] Wait. So, question. You go to

Brian Atlasmeet him at his hotel or whatever. >> How soon from you meeting him to carnal

Julie (SPC)knowledge? What is the length of time, Julie, that elapsed? I would say a solid five minutes. >> Wow.

Kelly (Cars)>> The hypocrite. >> What a leave her alone. >> He said I would never after three dates want to [ __ ] on. I'm speaking now.

Kelly (Cars)>> She said it took about 5 minutes. >> Okay. But talking consistently for five weeks. >> We She said texting not like texting and phone calls and she didn't even know his name. It was well what appeared to be a well >> I would at least do a little conversation.

Brian Atlas>> I know five minutes >> I would >> pull up to Vegas like you want to gamble? He's like >> like I don't even know if I could like even if I'd been talking to a girl for a minute like even I as the guy maybe this

Julie (SPC)comes off kind of like lame or whatever. I would need at least a little bit of getting to know you. >> Yeah. Well, we spent five weeks literally texting texting is nothing. He probably was

Brian Atlasusing like an AI chat box. >> Did he lie about everything? >> Five years ago. Not that >> I mean there was, you know, there was some they weren't as good now, but there was AI chat. >> Yeah. How'd you find out he lied? Did he lie about everything? >> Well, here I'll get into the rest of the

Brian Atlasnotes that that you provided. You said, so you did your thing. You you show up, you guys hook up within five minutes of meeting. Vermilion looks like he has something on this. Uh, so he Wait,

Brian Atlasquestion. Okay, so you show up 5 minutes later, you guys have carnal knowledge. Was it good? >> Sorry, that was >> It was fine. >> Okay, that wasn't I don't know. That

Brian Atlaswasn't very convincing. Uh, how soon after the sex does he dip? >> Like right after 10 minutes. Was there post was there obligatory postex

Brian Atlascuddling or no? >> Maybe I don't know 20 30 minutes. >> Oh my god, you got done dirty. >> I known I had known in advance. >> Oh my god, you're so nice and this guy just totally [ __ ] Okay, [ __ ] you

Brian Atlasover. Well, wait, hold on. Wait. So, okay. Uh, so he left to go to his event. You entertained yourself. You used to love Vegas. You took yourself to dinner. You talked to a friend on the phone

Brian Atlasafter about 3 and a half hours cuz you were planning to meet back up with him after his event. Right. >> Right. >> You start messaging him. You thought he wasn't coming back. Messages, calls, no answer. 7 and 1/2 hours later, he calls

Brian Atlasand threatens not to come back because you're acting irrational. No apology, nothing. He gets back and no sign of remorse, nothing. The rest of the night was fun, but he

Julie (SPC)Julie Julie, wait, hold on. >> You [ __ ] him again. >> Julie. >> Julie. Oh my god. >> This was like my la my last uh lesson. I

Julie (SPC)thought be before I had started speaking to him, I thought I'm good. I've learned all these, you know, lessons and I'm wise, this, that, and the other. And I

Brian Atlasin my head I I would look back and I think God was like girl we're gonna we're going to give you a new lesson. >> So question he calls you irrational blah blah blah. You're maybe a little upset that he

Brian Atlasyou're you're under the impression maybe he he played you ghosted you but he does eventually way later show back up to the hotel room. How soon after you guys

Julie (SPC)reconnected later on in the night did y'all have carnal knowledge again? I'm not sure. Probably >> minutes. >> A little less than an hour, I'm

Brian Atlasguessing. >> Okay. >> And then was was it like a was that it for the night and then did you guys have a some morning delight? >> What the [ __ ] >> I thank you. >> I think we were up for most of the night

Julie (SPC)and then >> Oh, wow. >> Um >> probably slept a little bit in the morning and then >> um and then he had to he had to He had to run away and and I drove home. Oh my goodness.

Brian Atlas>> Run away is crazy. >> Wait. So, okay. Uh okay. The rest of the night was fun and then he left in the morning. You drove back home wondering what the heck just happened. Uh and then

Brian Atlasyou you you said that you think he has to have autism. >> Yeah. So, so the reason I shared this, obviously I don't really prefer to share certain things, but I >> was in your nuts. But it was but it was

Julie (SPC)fun and I'm that's what you know we're supposed to do on the show anyway. So um but no there so like I said he wouldn't change change the date. Had to be that

Julie (SPC)day. Said he would only be gone for like 2 and 1/2 hours. Was gone for 7 and 1/2. Was getting upset with me for for being upset. Um came back. The guy literally

Julie (SPC)had zero emotion whatsoever. Like someone who is not capable of empathy. Um >> he already got the prize. And so something was off. And so I thought, okay, well, >> must be autism. >> Well, I it must be it must be I mean I

Julie (SPC)work in um you know, like it it just something something was going through my head. Okay, something's wrong with this person. So I start looking at that up. Then more >> crazy issues come up and I'm trying to

Julie (SPC)figure out what it is. I I didn't trust that his name about that at that point was what he said it was. So I start looking looking it up. um in Vegas there's no one by that name. Um then I

Julie (SPC)look up I don't know how I figured this out but um there's an area in Vegas that has a park that's named by with the last name of what he gave me. Um there's just I I can't even remember all the crazy he

Julie (SPC)would send and I'm the idiot for falling into all this nonsense. So like that was my lesson learned. But >> um I I wish I could remember all the crazy things that transpired during this time.

Brian Atlas>> But um anyway, it was just a nutcase and I'm the nutcase for participating in that for >> Well, you said that you later decided that he had disorganized attachment, a list of traits, but standing out would

Brian Atlasbe a lack of empathy and potential potential socio sociopath. It'll be too long if you go into too much detail. A long story short, over the next five to six months, you drove out to see him

Brian Atlasanother five or six times. Nearly everything >> it was good then. >> It was dedication. >> Mentally dedication mentally >> intoxicating.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, go with that. >> Uh, wow. Okay. Um, wait, is this the guy you recently No. >> Digmatized. >> Digmatized. Yes, that's what happened >> indeed.

Brian Atlas>> Um, wow. But see, you got to understand, Julie. This is why this is what I was arguing about with you saying you're not sleeping with someone as quickly as you

Brian Atlasexpect. To be fair, look, I I understand you were saying, "Well, for five five weeks you guys had been texting back and forth." Uh, I think that, you know, that that

Julie (SPC)does build rapport, right? You didn't just meet him at a bar and [ __ ] him within five minutes. I mean, I had developed some fairly decent strong feelings by by that time,

Brian Atlas>> but you know, a guy looks at this and it's like, okay, well, I don't know. It's a little bit like like the next guy you make. Wait,

Brian Atlashe hears this story, it's like, hold on, you [ __ ] this guy right away. Basically, >> I mean, like I said, that that is the exception. Um, >> would be getting to know someone in that

Julie (SPC)amount of detail. I mean, >> okay. You got done dirty, though. Julie, >> did you e sex before you sex? >> I mean, I I'm an idiot, so I mean, I take ownership of my poor choice. >> Did you have like Discord sex before you real? You know, it's not like

Brian Atlas>> Did you have like Discord remote sex before you had real sex? >> I don't know what Okay. Did you have like FaceTime sex or Skype sex? I'm sorry. >> Are you a millennial or you're millennial, right? Are you millennial or >> I'm 80. So

Brian Atlas>> I'm like Julie, you age so well. I'm like, god damn. >> Oh, thank you. >> God damn. >> Chad, is she Cuz you're 45, right? >> Are you millennial or Gen X? >> I'm not. Right. X is after the later one.

Brian Atlas>> I think you're Gen X. >> My millennial. >> My ex-husband's 49. >> Vermillion says that the guy had some kind of cluster B disorder. All right. I guess we're

Brian Atlas>> okay. I don't know. Um I don't know. Julie, I'm just saying. >> Damn. That's That's crazy. Julie, what's going on, >> Julie? Julie, >> that's dedication, though. I mean,

Julie (SPC)that's dedication. >> I used to be I used to be the type of person who wanted to fix people. So, I knew that there was something not right. But at that point, I had developed these feelings and I believe that I could fix

Brian Atlaspeople. Now, I don't want to anything to do with anyone who has issues. >> Retweet. Okay. All right. You said sometimes you say that I guess this is moving off of that topic. Sometimes you

Brian Atlassay that responses are wrong but don't provide how you think it should be. For example, what do you think the trade-off exchange should be for chivalry? Did we talk about that last time?

Julie (SPC)>> Yeah. I I think since since I wrote that I kind of changed my perspective on that. You do you do explain things at times, not always. >> Right. You said things that you bring to the table for man. what you think a

Brian Atlaswoman should bring to the table. Uh and you said that this might not be all-encompassing. You said this is what you bring a smile on your face each and every emphasis on every time he comes

Brian Atlashome from slash finishes work wherever he comes home from like a puppy waiting at the door for him. Uh to your man you are honor, soulless, solace, grace,

Brian Atlasdesire, creator of life, nurture, submissive, excitement, shoulder, passion, soulbearer, confidant. I'm his best friend. In essence, I am home.

Pia>> Does that resonate with any of the other women at the table? >> It's an A1 advertisement. >> That's nice. Why wouldn't you want to be Why wouldn't you want to be >> I'm just the hot mess express all those things back. Yeah, >> I agree.

Brian Atlas>> I hope you find the one you're looking for. Julie >> Felicity, is she here? Where is she at? I need to get up for a moment. Uh, I think Felicity is going to take over.

Brian AtlasFelicity. Sorry, I'm [ __ ] slinging my words at this point. Uh, there's some other stuff we can get into. Hold on. Could you stay with a woman who couldn't?

Brian AtlasUh, men should be on the ped Men should be on the pedestal. >> Yeah, >> I agree. Well, well put. Uh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> The bad boy theory makes sense. You think it's just misguided and the reason behind it is because women like confident, dominant men. >> So, it's not I I think that that that is

Julie (SPC)the idea behind it. It's not that that women really want an actual bad boy who's messing around doing whatever, but it's that it's the way they carry themselves or dominant, etc. >> All right, I need to get up for a bit.

Brian AtlasFelicity is going to take over. Um, this is an opportunity for anybody on the panel if you want to weigh in. >> Does this go past 11? >> Yeah, we probably got another hour or so. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I blame it mostly on you though for, you know, just all that bad faith argumentation and >> Yeah. You run tit for tad with bad faith. >> Good talk.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, open open panel. >> Let's go. >> You know, I know I know that we got some feminists here. I'd love to see, you know, you not looking to the man to, you know, carry the conversation like, >> you know, >> sorry, is your back.

Brian Atlas>> What do you want us to talk about? >> Yeah, I'm kind of like, yeah, my back is hurting carrying this [ __ ] >> conversation. Uh, but I'm opening it up to you guys to

SPEAKER_03>> word. >> Wait, wait, wait. Let's do a test. Okay, go. >> My ex did try to contact me. Oh, wow. >> See, you're undercutting,

SPEAKER_03>> guys. What's your biggest regret under my ex that I just had did try to contact me. >> Said go then you undercut. >> Just trying and trying to just contact me just to, you know, the >> that guy. >> Yeah, that guy. Different number. I

Sinchanged my number. I blocked him off everything. Emails, Pinterest, everything. Any stuff on my number. >> That's commitment. >> I know my number. >> How did you find out he was Pinterest is crazy.

Sin>> So, his stepdaughter was the one that cuz I didn't have social media at this time, you know. So, I was off of social media for like a year and a half during

Sinour relationship. Um, which was one of the ones that he asked also. So then um reason why the only reason why I had Facebook Messenger is cuz my kids still

Sinneed to contact their father and they didn't have phones at that time. So at that time um I would post like certain pictures and I guess the stepdaughter like found it and she messaged me and

Sinsent me pictures and everything. >> You should probably keep like wait you like in Messenger you said? >> Yeah like Facebook Messenger. I didn't use Facebook. I had deleted it, but I kept >> that and she found it. >> That shit's [ __ ] traumatizing, though. I'm like, dude.

Sin>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, what did she say to you? >> So, she told me that like he's been married for 18 years. They live in the Inland Empire. >> And he was like, "Here, I live in East

SinLA." So, I'm like, "Damn, you live far, you know." And and he worked like in Van Ice. And she said that they've been married for 18 years. She still showed me their wedding rings, their most recent pictures together and stuff like that. So, I was like, "Wow."

Sin>> All right. Hands up if you've walked a guy on a leash. >> Yeah, but as soon as I found out, I was over it. Like, no. I was over >> How did you meet? >> No. >> Well, my ex-husband was He's pretty cool. He's like a good dad and everything. Can't knock him for it.

Sin>> Did you tell the dude's wife? >> Well, I told the stepdaughter and Yeah. So, just hope for that. >> I send her pictures of of us together. >> Why would you send that to the kid? >> She asked me. >> No, that's [ __ ] up. >> She wanted proof.

Sin>> No, then you send it to the [ __ ] the mother. The wife wasn't even there. I never I never spoke to the wife. >> It doesn't matter. That's actually really [ __ ] up. >> I don't care. It was her and everybody was going to be hurt. I don't care. >> How old was she? >> Everybody was going to be hurt. >> How old was she?

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