4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

Date: 2025-07-14

Duration: 7h 57m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EElizabeth (4 Kids)>

AAmanda (Security)>

JJenna (Bartender)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Eugina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth (4 Kids)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Amanda (Security)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Pia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie (SPC)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kelly (Cars)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna (Bartender)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sin(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKelly reveals she just exited polycule with non-binary homeless comedian living in hearse

Key MomentElizabeth: 4 kids with 4 different fathers. Tubes tied.

Key MomentBrian announces men's rights nonprofit: child support, alimony, custody reform, banning circumcision

ControversyCircumcision debate: Brian vs Eugina

Key MomentEugina lost virginity at 31 to Black Muslim comedian from TBS show

Key MomentJulie: had sex within 5 minutes of meeting Vegas man, continued seeing him 5-6 times

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sin, Eugina (PhD feminist), Kelly (polycule exit), Elizabeth (4 kids 4 dads), Amanda, Jenna, Julie (SPC), Pia (electrician).

SPC/Sovereign Citizen Discussion

Julie explains secured party creditor status and ministry.

Elizabeth 4 Kids 4 Dads

Kids at ages 18, 21, 24, 26. Tubes tied.

Circumcision Debate

Brian: genital mutilation should be banned. Eugina: hygiene benefits.

Feminism Extended Debate

Brian vs Eugina: selective service, patriarchy, domestic violence stats.

Eugina Lost Virginity at 31

To Black Muslim comedian from TBS show, met on Hinge in Brooklyn.

Julie Vegas Story

Had sex within 5 minutes of meeting man in Vegas. Continued seeing him 5-6 times.

Transcript

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Sinname, age, occupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead. >> Hi, I'm Sin. I'm 39. I live in LA and I work in the cannabis industry. >> All right. Any education?

Eugina>> High school. >> High school. Okay. Did you go to college at all or anything? Okay. >> Uh, hi. My name is Eugina. I'm 34. Uh,

EuginaI'm a research student and I teach at, uh, Glasgow University. And I'm from Brooklyn originally. >> You teach at >> film studies at Glasgow University.

Eugina>> Okay. And what's your uh what did you study when you were going to university? >> Uh, I did an MFA in film production and screenwriting. >> What about the feminist component of that? Oh, well I'm doing feminist film theory now.

Eugina>> What is that >> at Glasgow University? It's feminist uh interpretation of film theory. So it's Laura Mulvi all those people involved in it. >> So is it are you analyzing feminist

Brian Atlasfilms or you're analyzing >> No, you're analyzing Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. >> Or are you analyzing >> films through a fe feminist lens? >> Exactly that. Yeah. The second one. >> Okay. Have you analyzed any Quinton

EuginaTarantino films through feminist lens? >> He's not part of my uh specification, but other people have. Yeah. >> Okay. What what >> what films am I looking at?

Eugina>> Are you looking at >> uh well my main focus is Jean Campion, Claire Deni, and Andrea Arnold. Those are the three filmmakers who I'm writing about mainly. >> Who the [ __ ] is that guy?

Eugina>> Sorry, who? >> Andrea Arnold. She had a film called Fish Tank and American Honey. They came out not too long ago, >> right? >> And Jane Campion had Power of the Dog

Eugina>> is her famous one. She won the best director for that one. >> Okay. >> And uh the other one is Claire Deny. >> And you said uh for so undergrad you got your degree in what? >> My undergrad was history. I got a

Euginabachelor in history >> from which university? >> McGill University. Yeah. And uh your masters >> Stony Brook University in New York. >> And what what was the

Brian Atlas>> it was the MFA. It was a screenwriting. >> And then you have a PhD or you're working on it? >> I'm working on it. >> Okay. And that is also in film. >> Uh film studies. Yeah. >> Film studies. Okay. What about you?

Kelly (Cars)>> I'm Kelly. I'm 23. I work in the automotive industry. I also make commentary videos and stream on Twitch at Kinetic Kill. >> Okay. Do you want to answer? >> Oh, and I'm from San Diego. Sorry. um any university or anything like that?

Kelly (Cars)>> No university. Went straight to the voca vocational path, but it's been paying off. >> Okay. And you said you work in the automotive industry. >> Yeah, I do car sales. Just sounded fancier. >> Uh which which brand or

Brian Atlas>> I probably don't want to say that just cuz like they know what city I live in. >> Oh, okay. That's fine. >> Sorry. >> That's fine. But you're you're a car salesman. >> Yes, I sell cars. >> Sure. >> What about you?

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> My name is Elizabeth. I am 27. I am from Phoenix, Arizona. Um, I am a mom. I am a content creator and I am getting ready to go back to school. >> Uh, what's the highest level of education? >> My high school.

Amanda (Security)>> Okay, got it. What about you? >> My name is Amanda Bover. I'm 34. I'm a mom and a security guard. I'm from Santa Barbara, California, and I've done some vocational school.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, any associates degree or just for the vocational school? >> I'm two months away from my associates. Gotcha. Okay. >> Uh, and you said you're a security guard. You have your guard card? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And you do, uh, >> I work at the Santa Barbara Bowl and I Okay. >> Usually do electronic music festivals. >> Okay. >> I'm working northern nights. >> You work event security? Yes. Okay. You're not like doing executive protection?

Jenna (Bartender)>> No. >> Okay. Got it. >> What about you? >> Hi, I'm Jenna. I >> Close the doors, please. >> 31. Um, I am a bartender. I'm from Rancho Cucamonga and um I did a little

Jenna (Bartender)bit of college but nothing serious. >> Okay. Occupation >> bartending. >> Uh and you said you did a little bit of education. What was that? >> I just took some college courses. I was wanted to get into marine biology but I

Brian Atlasnever finished. >> Okay. Bartender. >> Yes. >> Gotcha. Like a a bar, nightclub, private events. >> It's a it's it's across from a golf course. So we close early. It's nothing

Julie (SPC)crazy. Night life. We close at 10:00. >> Gotcha. Okay. What about you? >> I'm Julie. I'm 45. I live in LA County. Um, I have a bachelor's in psychology

Julie (SPC)and my education specialist credential. I'm a teacher and I also am a assistant coordinator for private ministry. Um, and we assist people moving in from the

Julie (SPC)public sector into the private. um allowing them to have be uh more tax beneficial uh operating out of trust, things of that nature. We also invest in commercial paper and and uh and things

Brian Atlasin that realm. >> I I looked into it a little bit because you have a link to it in your Instagram. >> Mhm. >> Um and something about secured party creditor. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Are you a secured party creditor? >> I am actually. So, look, I I hope I I don't know anything about this. Um,

Julie (SPC)and I don't know if this is a fair comparison. Are you a sovereign citizen? >> Yeah. So, I try to stay away from that. Um, that has a lot of negative

Julie (SPC)connotation. Um, and I um so I initiated with SPC or secured party creditor um with the intention of going further uh private. Um, but at this point, I'm just staying with that. So, it really doesn't

Julie (SPC)change anything for me. it doesn't change anything in my life. Um it just kind of opens the door if I choose to go any further in the private realm. And it does allow you to do uh particular

Julie (SPC)things. Um you can discharge bonds. So you can discharge things like um uh say you have student loans, uh credit loans,

Julie (SPC)things of that nature. Um once you go through the SPC process, you are able to discharge those, meaning you no longer owe on them. You're discharging the bond

Brian Atlason that. But are you because of your secured what is it secured party creditor status are you beyond the reach of the laws of

Julie (SPC)the United States government? >> No, you would have to go significantly further. Um and and really it does require a significant amount of funds to be able to do that. Um

Julie (SPC)>> can can you explain that process like >> Yeah. So so I I do more of the admin administrative component. So to go into extreme detail, I probably wouldn't be able to. Um, but the next step, we have

Julie (SPC)a couple of other steps that are um, so one would be becoming a non-citizen. Um, and that is basically handling all of these bonds through probate court.

Julie (SPC)Um, and we do have access to these things. Um, this is not just a bunch of paperwork. And I mean, you hear all kinds of nonsense all the time. We have people come to us um that have had you

Julie (SPC)know failed attempts at at doing these things. Um and we also do uh international processes. So that goes all the way to the HEG. Um so so beyond that um that's probably as best in

Brian Atlasdetail as I can um uh articulate. >> Okay. Uh Cat, thank for the big gifted 50 guys. W's in the chat for Cat for the Gifted 50 memberships. Thank you so much, Cat. Appreciate it. Okay. Wait.

Brian AtlasBut so you're saying with the secured party creditor thing, when you get far enough, you can

Brian Atlasbe out of reach of the civil and criminal laws of the United States government. Is that >> essentially? Yes. Because you're not under the jurisdiction of the United

Brian AtlasStates government. So would this in would you like revoke your citizenship in order to do this or do you remain a citizen? >> No, you uh you would you no you would I

Julie (SPC)don't want to say revoke because that's not the proper terminology but you would no longer be a quote unquote unquote citizen of the US. >> Wait quote unquote.

Julie (SPC)>> Yeah, I got a little mumble there. >> Are you on the path to becoming an out you're are these outlaws? Are you outlaws >> for for No. No. It's It really isn't.

Julie (SPC)There's so much negativity surrounding that. And that's why when you asked me last time if I was a sovereign citizen, I said no because I don't want to be associated with that either. Um but it does take >> Wait, I asked you last time if you're a sovereign. >> You did.

Julie (SPC)>> Oh, okay. >> Um it's uh um Sorry, can you ask me again your question? >> Well, it's just I I don't know the the whole thing.

Brian AtlasIt seems sovereign citizeny a little bit. >> She traveled here. >> Sure. >> Understandable. >> What is that? The traveler. I am the traveler in the >> right. I'm I'm Yes.

Julie (SPC)>> I'm not subject to >> I'm not traveling. I'm you know >> you can ask a question. >> Right. >> You can ask her. Yeah. >> But but to to be fair to operate in this

Julie (SPC)capacity it takes an a significant deal of uh education. um when you say education, >> constitutional law, um you know, tax law, etc., etc. There's so many people

Julie (SPC)out there operating, you know, saying they know how to do all of these things and you can you can absolutely end yourself in in big trouble. A lot of people try to do these things. So, um I'm I would say that I'm blessed to >> Wait, is it is this part of the

Julie (SPC)redemption movement? Are you part of the redemption movement? >> No, I I wouldn't associate myself with any of those things, but but to be to be fair, um what is it? the redemption manual. I think a lot of people follow

Julie (SPC)that. Um but things are always changing. Um and if you're, you know, if you're following certain things, you you have to be in the know of what's changing. You know, who's who's in office? Um other, you know, procedures that go

Julie (SPC)particular ways. Again, um I'm not the best to articulate this. My my boss and dear friend um would be significantly is significantly better. >> Is your boss a secured party creditor? I

Julie (SPC)I I don't want to speak on him. He's But I will but I will say that um is >> I I I don't I don't like saying these things because I know it just adds more

Euginascrutiny. Um but I >> What's wrong with >> But ask your question. >> Is it just mainly like a religious exemption for taxes or >> No. No. >> Or it's totally you're not under the jurisdiction of the United States,

Julie (SPC)>> right? I mean, you can't just stop paying taxes. you have to do, you know, particular things. You can discharge your IRS bonds. You can, uh, some people just simply do a revocation of election. Um, and so on.

Julie (SPC)>> Have you paid your taxes this year? >> Uh, well, for the last year, I was not receiving any income. Um, okay. But or the prior year. Uh, but I was teaching

Julie (SPC)this last year. So, I will either have to pay taxes or do either other options, lawful money redemption. Uh, I could do revocation of election. >> I'm a bit confused because she asked if

Julie (SPC)it was related to religion, but you described it as a ministry, >> right? So, if you operate as a 508 C 508

Julie (SPC)C1A, I believe um then you are operating as a ministry and therefore uh so for example, if someone is utilizing one of your services, you do this through

Julie (SPC)initially do this through membership. Um, so in order to operate, you agree to these these terms and then um >> it's a cult and then no not not at all.

Julie (SPC)Um, and then I'm sorry I spaced out on this on the second part of that. Um, oh, instead of taking a payment for a service, you would take a donation and because it's it is a donation, it is not eligible to be taxed.

Julie (SPC)>> Oh, I Okay, I understand. >> Like the church, >> right? But usually churches operate as a 501c3. I I get them mixed up. Um so it is a

Brian Atlaslittle bit different. >> Um wait but so are you have you named yourself as both a debtor and creditor? >> Yes. >> And your boss is also a debtor and

Brian Atlascreditor and you file UCCC1 statements. >> Correct. >> Okay. And something about I'm reading it here attempting to reclaim their straw men identity. >> Well, this is going I mean this is a lot

Julie (SPC)of the old lingo that's been in it's not in use anymore years. Uh, no. I mean, it is um it's just um I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But and so by doing this though, um does this give you sovereignty from laws, debts, taxes, or courts?

Julie (SPC)>> Not to the not to where I'm at at this moment. >> What What do you mean where you're at? >> I I've only I've only gone I've only done becoming a secured party creditor. People think that that's the end all

Julie (SPC)beall and you're free and all this other nonsense when in fact it's in a sense I don't want to say it's nothing it's just a foundational component for moving forward and doing other things >> but once you it is possible to get to that point like your boss is at that

Julie (SPC)point >> correct >> okay and you know other people who are at that point >> I don't personally know anyone

Julie (SPC)>> uh because it is a it's a very expensive um route to take to go through the the

Brian Atlascomplete process. >> Okay. Um but you you said your boss is sovereign,

Brian Atlas>> if you want to use that word. >> Well, but okay. So, um, but you're saying that it once you get to that the fullest extent of being a

Brian Atlassecured party creditor, that would make you sovereign from laws, debts, taxes, or courts. Is that correct? >> I Yes.

Julie (SPC)>> Okay. So, but does your boss does he live in the United States? >> Not on his taxes. Um, yeah, I think I think I can say that.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. And then hold on. Yeah. >> Uh so to be clear, somebody who's a secured party creditor could commit the

Brian Atlasact of murder, but if they're as far as they can go in terms of, however you framed it, becoming a secured party creditor, they

Julie (SPC)could not be prosecuted for murder on the federal or state level by the United States government. >> That's a good question, and I I don't have the answer to that. Um, so I I I I won't speak on it. I I I don't think

Brian Atlasthat that's the goal of any of the, you know, certainly not the goal of any of that, >> right? But I I'm not saying it's the goal, but I'm saying if it is the case that somebody who has gone far enough

Brian Atlasinto becoming a secured party creditor that they are uh immune to the laws or debts, taxes or courts, whatever. Wouldn't would that not extend itself to

Brian Atlascertain criminal actions? I mean, murder is very extreme. Why don't I just say like a DUI? If you get pulled over by a police officer, >> whether whether it's uh you know, county

Julie (SPC)sheriff, a city police officer, or a federal law enforcement officer. >> Well, there's a difference between um right, a crime actually

Julie (SPC)is defined by causing injury to another person, but this doesn't even go to that to that extent, right? But um so I guess I guess hypothetically, yes. What do you mean hypothetically?

Brian AtlasLike, so when you say hypothetically, yes. If someone somebody was pulled over by law enforcement officer for DUI, they would not be subject to the jurisdiction

Julie (SPC)of um either state law or, you know, whatever. >> It doesn't mean that they and again, like I said, I generally walk people through the process. I'm more of the administrative component. So, to fairly

Julie (SPC)answer these questions, I'm not the right person. Um, but you know, a person like that might actually be you could actually be arrested, but because of um

Julie (SPC)what's held in your uh secured party creditor documentation, um there's ways that you can move around these things. Um but again, I I I want

Julie (SPC)to be very very straightforward and say that um this is not for just anyone. You can't just do a process and then think that you're completely fine. You have to know how to operate. You have to know

Brian Atlasthe laws. You have to know how to conduct yourself in court, etc., etc. >> Okay. But you're saying that yes, you could be arrested, but you would be able to successfully

Brian Atlaschallenge the merits of the arrest and evade prosecution through the court system by claiming to be a secured party creditor is what you're saying. >> I I would not say that. Um,

Julie (SPC)>> but you said that it gives >> it gives people let's say you're you're um arrested because >> you don't have a license for example, right? >> Sure. Driver's license. Yeah.

Julie (SPC)>> Um they because of what's stated in um I believe it's your um your legal notice in demand, your collateral. Um because it's fa like you're falsely arrested.

Julie (SPC)I'm even taking this to another pl uh another I don't know what I want to say. You could actually um sue and get money back

Julie (SPC)um or or just sue them and win um because they're they're countering your person. I again >> Wait, sorry. Counter >> I don't I don't think it's fair for me to continue speaking because I I don't

Julie (SPC)have I I you know >> Wait, countering your person? >> Your um >> What do you mean? >> Right there. it it's against your your body and your collateral etc. collateral wait >> I don't know >> the person

Julie (SPC)>> I I want to be able to answer this better but I but to be fair again I I I don't have that breadth of knowledge this is actually something I think we should be not not the sovereign part but in terms of constitutional law and things like that this is what I actually

Julie (SPC)think we should be teaching in the classroom you know as we you know >> are you a natural person >> like when you get arrested when you say you're a sovereign citizen you get arrested and they can't take you in >> No like again I I don't want to misspeak

Kelly (Cars)on anything so Uh >> we should have a class in school on how to write uh your income office donations for sure. >> Oh, there's absolutely, you know, many many things that we can do, but we're not we're never taught that in in school.

Julie (SPC)>> So, are these people just essentially above the law? >> I I wouldn't say I wouldn't say that. It's not I again I think there's such a negative connotation with people trying to pose it that way and and that's not

Euginareally what it is at all. Um >> were you on a previous episode? Cuz I'm having like deja vu. I remember you. She's on the show before >> cuz I remember this conversation. I tried to I tried to avoid it. >> Well, I don't think it got We touched on

Brian Atlasit. >> No, because I I don't >> I think I just asked you if you're a sovereign citizen and that was it. But >> wait, but you said the person. Are you the agent? >> Like, are you the person? Your name's Julie, right? >> Correct.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Are you the person Julie? Are you the agent, Julie? Or what are you? I am the living woman. Julie, >> are you the natural person? >> The natural living woman. >> Are you the living soul? Oh,

Julie (SPC)>> hell yes. >> Or are you the legal But are you a legal fiction? >> I am not a legal fiction. >> Not a legal fiction. illegal fiction is brought into play when your birth certificate

Brian Atlas>> there's like some sovereign citizen arguing with a judge. Um >> what is it? Um >> there's some good stuff out there and there's some awful stuff out there.

Brian Atlas>> I'm trying to see if there's a I don't know. Um okay. So it sounds like you're sovereign citizen

Julie (SPC)but like with a different title. Case closed round at this point. There's nothing I there's there's nothing that I can do unless I you know teach myself

Brian Atlashow to operate in such a way right I I just did the foundational component and that's all. Well, I guess one question. So, you said down the road when you you

Brian Atlassaid you need to acrew more knowledge and you it requires uh money or I don't know whatever whatever it requires down the road would you be able would

Julie (SPC)you be immune from criminal prosecution? >> I I don't I would I would wait I don't want to touch that one. >> Why not? >> Because I don't I don't know. But wait, don't you work I guess in theory you

Julie (SPC)work for >> I do but but to I walk people through the uh procedural process of becoming a secured party. >> Um and I you know handle membership and

Brian Atlasemails and and all that. >> How much what's the rate what's the fee to >> like if I came to you I was like how much do I have to pay you to get started on the path of becoming a secured party

Julie (SPC)creditor? Uh, our membership is $300 and if you wanted to become SPC, it's $2,000. >> $2,000. Okay. Can I get like a 50% discount or >> maybe Brian?

Brian Atlas>> Maybe. Okay. >> Like this >> if you if you stop asking me sovereign questions. >> But but so what what do you what do they get? >> Like >> knowledge.

Julie (SPC)>> What somebody buys your thing, what do they get? So for example, I can

Julie (SPC)um if I want to discharge bonds. So if I want to discharge my license, if I want to discharge my birth certificate bond, if I want to discharge um uh my my uh

Julie (SPC)student loans, etc. Uh those are things I can do through the bond on my birth certificate, which is a component of becoming secured party. >> U okay. >> Do you get commission for new recruits?

Brian AtlasNo, I don't. No. >> Okay, good. >> Sound a little sketchy there. >> You're forgetting. You're forgetting her. She's there, too, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll maybe we'll come back to that later. Sovereign citizen or not,

Piasorry, a secured uh party creditor. All right. Uh your intro, please. >> My turn. >> Yes. >> My name is Pia. Um I'm 27. I'm from New

Brian AtlasYork. I'm an electrician and highest education is trade school. >> All right. You said you're an electrician. Yes. >> Master journeyman. >> Master electrician. I'm licensed.

Pia>> Master electrician. >> Licensed in New York. I run my own business. >> What part of New York? >> Uh, so the business in is in Sullivan County. >> Is that like what is that? Like Long Island or >> No, no, no. We call it upstate, but it's

Pianot upstate. >> So you're upstate New York. >> Yeah, sure. Where did >> you grow up though? >> I grew up in Rockland County, so it's two counties down. So, where the city is, there's the Hudson River, other side of the Hudson River. >> So, by Jersey?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, kind of by Jersey. >> Okay. Sorry. >> Have you been to the Jersey Shore? >> Yes. >> Okay, that's all right. Uh, nothing special there. Okay, hold on one sec. We have a chat coming through. Sorry for

Brian Atlasthe delay on this. I was very curious about the secured party creditor stuff, but we have Chef Dill Pickles. Sorry for the delay on this chair. Wait, what the hell? Why is it One sec. Hold on. What

SPEAKER_00did I do? >> There it is. TTS is working, by the way. >> Still Pickles donated $200. >> Thank you, man. >> Five, what is your drug of choice? >> That That's you. >> Me? >> Yeah, >> I am a stoner.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, you're a stoner. >> Me? I'm a stoner all the way. >> You're a stoner. All right, there you go. >> There you go. >> Okay, cool. Uh, hope that answers your question, Chef D Pickles. Okay. Uh, rock

Brian Atlasand roll. Electrician. And I need I need some electrical work done. So, I'll talk to you after. >> Maybe maybe I'll give you a deal, you know. >> All right. Thank you. Give me a deal. >> Thank you very much. >> We'll see how the show goes. >> A deal I can't refuse.

Brian Atlas>> She's still going to make 30% on your >> uh going around the table once more. Oh, wait. Uh somebody I am a living natural man. Okay. No, that helps.

Brian Atlas>> Somebody find me the quote from that that thing with the judge. Anyways, uh relationship status. If you're single, how long have you been single and longest relationship? Go ahead.

Sin>> Um, my longest relationship was my marriage, which was like nine years, 10 years, >> something like that. And I'm single the last 6 months, but I just started

Sinbriefly talking to somebody like we went on our first date already. So, it was pretty cool. Like, so it was fresh. >> So, you said sorry, single 6 months >> and you just But you just started talking to somebody. >> I just started talking to somebody. It went really cool. >> Okay. >> It was pretty cool. Yeah. Longest

Brian Atlasrelationship. Sorry. >> Like 10 years. My marriage. >> You were married? >> Yes. >> Only been married once? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Had two kids with the marriage. >> Two kids, one father. >> Yes. >> Okay. Wait. >> Yes.

Sin>> Pause. Um. Okay. And uh so 10 year who initiated the divorce? >> We both like kind of fell apart, but I was the one that said like it's not

Sinworking out. So, you know, we tried after like to work it out and we got therapy and stuff, but it just didn't work. >> Okay. All right. What about you? >> Uh, I'm single right now.

Eugina>> Okay. Longest relationship? >> Three years. >> Three years. How long have you been single for? >> Uh, five five years. >> Five years. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Three-year relationship. Was that the one that that ended five years ago? That's right. >> Okay. Who broke up with who? >> Um,

Kelly (Cars)yeah. I just I ended it. So, it was me. >> Okay. What about you? >> My longest relationship was four years and I am single as of last week. Tragic.

Brian Atlas>> The four-year relationship. Was that the one that ended one week ago? >> No, that was like my high school sweetheart. >> Okay. So, you were the relationship that ended one week ago. Can you give us some

Kelly (Cars)details on that? >> So, I was um I literally like altered my whole world perspective for this mother. I just got out of a polycule basically. It was my first like crack at this kind

Kelly (Cars)of situation. >> What's a uh for the panel and the viewers, explain what a polycule is. >> So, basically, he like he asked me out when he already had a girlfriend and then I had to like meet my

Kelly (Cars)sister wife and be friends with her. We weren't dating or anything, but yeah, it was interesting new experiences. Um, yeah, the Polycule dumped me cuz I Yeah, it's a long story. >> So, how many people were in the

Kelly (Cars)Polycule? >> Just two other people. >> It It was you and two other two other men. >> No, so I was dating the guy. The guy also had a girlfriend. And then literally like we broke up because the guy got mad that I was like streaming with this. It's a long story. this other

Kelly (Cars)dude, but he's he was like jealous about me talking to someone else when he literally has a girlfriend and we're like polyamorous. So, I'm kind of confused still, honestly. Like he was acting like I was cheating on him when

Kelly (Cars)>> So, you were the he was dating her first, met you, and you were like the unicorn, as they call it, I guess. >> No, they we were like actually dating first. And the thing is both of them have been Polly for like over two years at this point. And when I was like,

Kelly (Cars)well, I want to meet the other girl who's like this mystery woman, you know, and it's going to take away like the boogeyman aspect of it. I felt like both of them had never introduced like cross-pollinated their partners. I'm like, it just sounds like you're not really in a serious relationship then.

Kelly (Cars)It's not like a polyule. I'm like, if we're going to polycule, let's do it. Like, but >> have you been in this kind of arrangement before? >> No. This is all of my like relationships

Kelly (Cars)had been super like serious and long and boring up until that point. So, >> and monogous or >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, this was interesting, dude. Yeah, I know. I was all ready to like, you

Kelly (Cars)know, argue on behalf of nontraditional relationships, but >> what do you mean? >> Just like the monogamy. Like this guy would always say things like that. He's like, "Oh, that's very monogamy coded.

Kelly (Cars)Like the way you're thinking it's so toxic du." And then literally like dumped me because I was streaming with this dude. It's It's insane. >> You were >> streaming with this dude. He's like, "It's disrespectful cuz he like was flirting with you." I'm like he's like,

Kelly (Cars)"You shouldn't stream with him anymore." I was like, "Wait, but but we're polyamorous. I don't understand." >> Well, so was the expectation that >> he can see other people, but you can't. Was that

Kelly (Cars)>> basically? Yes. But he didn't want to just say that. So, he's just like, "No, it's just the way you went about it that was disrespectful." I'm like, "Yeah, he's Yeah, he was a very bad communicator." >> All right. Uh, have you had a rebound?

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> Not yet. This literally just happened. >> Yeah. Any guys in the picture currently? >> Nope. Okay. What about you? I am in a relationship. My longest relationship was five, five and a half years, six years. >> All right. How long have you been seeing

Elizabeth (4 Kids)the current guy? >> Um, it's my oldest son's dad. So, we've been in each other's lives for 10 years. >> Well, but you guys were have been on and off, right?

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> No. So, we were together for a year and a half. I had my son. We split up and then we kind of did our own things and we just recently got back together. So,

Brian Atlas>> okay. And you have how many kids? >> Four kids. >> How many fathers? >> Four fathers.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, cool. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh, wait. So, four kids, four fathers. Still ahead. Get back into it, Brian. Let me

Brian Atlas>> just do the math on that. >> And still built like that. Goddamn. What? >> Okay. Um, are you bisexual because it looks like

Brian Atlasyou have a fan over there? Are you guys by or whatever? >> I just I was like, "No, >> no, girls scare me to be honest. I

Brian Atlascouldn't be with a girl." >> Okay, good talk. Wait. So, okay, let's do timeline here. How old were you when you had your first kid? >> 18. >> Second kid? >> Uh, 21. >> Third kid? 24, five,

Brian Atlas>> fourth kid, >> uh, 26. >> Okay. So, four kids, four different fathers. Um, were these guys like any of them one night stands?

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> No. Um, my son's father, my my 2-year-old, we had been on and off for years, like hooking up on and off, and we were really like we were best friends, but when I got pregnant, he

Elizabeth (4 Kids)just kind of like dipped. >> I haven't talked to him since. So, I would consider that one not a one night stand, but I wasn't serious with him. >> Okay. All right. We have uh Grid One here coming in with a message. Here we

SPEAKER_00go. >> What? There it is. There it is. >> Grid One Motorsports donated $2001. Do not gloss over that he was a homeless

SPEAKER_00dude living in a Herskll. Also, you lost the debate on non-traditional relationships last week. >> Damn. Damn good. >> Oh, wait. The polycool guy or the

Kelly (Cars)four-year relationship guy? >> The four-year relationship guy was like high school. The >> Who's the homeless dude? >> The polycool guy. >> He's living in a hearse. >> Uh-huh. He's a He's also a stand-up comedian. He calls himself a homeless romantic.

Brian Atlas>> Nice. Um, so he lives in a hearse. So you guys would be having sex? >> No. No. They'd come to my house. I have some self-respect. in a they would come to your house in a hearse that they're

Kelly (Cars)living in. You got some stuff or something. >> You know, they're just waiting for like they're going on tour for like their stand up soon, you know. >> His girlfriend was alive, correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Just >> Yeah.

Kelly (Cars)>> Yeah. I literally posted a picture on my Instagram >> [ __ ] transporting >> of us like both body and >> his cheek like both of us on each side of him. I'm like my damn I made like my

Kelly (Cars)high school friends confused by nothing. Did you know prior to having intercourse with him that he was homeless?

Kelly (Cars)>> It's it's it's not like that. It's like a like temporary situation. Like he's >> No, but but I'm just He disclosed to you he was homeless, right? >> Yes. It's like it's like a struggling artist's like choice thing,

Kelly (Cars)>> right? So >> yeah, I know. Bad decisions. Such an O. >> So I feel like you know >> Connecticut O >> bare minimum. It's just like, >> yeah, >> don't be homeless. >> Oh, god. They were really funny. That

Brian Atlasmakes a difference. >> Was that actually a selling point to you? Like, I want to [ __ ] him more because he's >> he's homeless. >> No, we were just like equally >> cuz there's some homeless people in town I could probably get you like linked up with if that's your type.

Kelly (Cars)>> No, it's cuz I was like outside like streaming downtown and they were like outside their comedy club and they stopped me and they were like they literally were like, "When are we going to stream our first date?" So, I was like, "Okay." And we literally did like from first to last basically. So

Brian Atlas>> grid one, what did you grade one? Who what who did you send me? Wow. Okay, that's crazy. Well, uh, congrats, I guess. >> Woo. Free. I'm a free woman. >> Is that I guess that's a congrats. Like the relationship's over. >> It is. Yeah, they're both

Kelly (Cars)>> or is it like sad? Are you sad that it's over? >> I really [ __ ] with them. That's another thing. They're both they them. I've been like misgendering them both the entire time, but just for the sake of clarification because I didn't want to be like them.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, grid one. You misgendered. He was not. It was cuz, >> you know, I don't even tell. You don't You know, sometimes >> it's a they grade one. >> It's like your dad though. I'm not going to tell Grid it's a they. I freaking just barely told >> What are your pronouns?

Kelly (Cars)>> She her. >> She her. >> Yeah. This was like the gayest thing I'd like ever been a part of. Like literally not like in a bad way just because it's >> Were they trans?

Kelly (Cars)>> They're both like non-binary. >> Wait, so >> Okay. But was one one was a male, one so confused. >> One was a male and one was a female, right? >> They didn't identify that way. So I

Brian Atlas>> No. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. Gender non-binary. I'm talking about sex. Male and female. >> Born. I I think so. Born. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Did one have a natural penis and the other a natural vagina? >> I assume. I didn't scope the vagina

Kelly (Cars)though. >> I thought you were in a polycool. >> Yeah. No, but that's what I'm saying. It's like we we It wasn't even a polyu. I'm like these people identify as polyun. I was really just [ __ ] >> You didn't scope the Okay.

Brian Atlas>> No, I didn't. Hey, didn't you want to be my friend, so it's okay. >> Uh, okay. Um, thank you, Grid One, for that revelation. Appreciate it, man.

Brian AtlasThank you. Thank you. Uh, going back to you, uh, you were telling us about the two kids or four kids, sorry, four kids, four dads. >> Uh, Vermilion has a question. Why no

Elizabeth (4 Kids)birth control after the second kid? >> Um, okay. So, I was actually I'm going to explain this again. I was supposed to have my tubes tied. I chickenened out, didn't get them tied. I went to go get them tied and

Elizabeth (4 Kids)found out I was pregnant. So, I was like, "Okay, cool." I had my son and then went to my doctor. His license had gotten pulled. So, I had to find a new doctor and I went to go get my tubes tied and I was pregnant. What kind of doctor were

Sinyou going to where his license got pulled? >> Are you happy with your children? >> I like my children better than anything. It's time to tell a year after I had my daughter and I still didn't get pregnant. I just wait. I just >> hear me out. >> I condoms. You just know I get

Brian Atlas>> my tubes are tied now. >> So, I'm done. >> But a whole year. >> Awesome. >> That's crazy. >> Nice. Anybody else have their tubes tied? Just at the table. Two tubes tied. Double tube side. That's

Amanda (Security)>> They won't consider you burn. >> That's how mine are. It's over. >> Over. >> Yes. I had a boy and a girl, so I had the perfect pair. >> All right. What about you? >> Longest relationship I've been in was

Amanda (Security)nine years. My son's father, my son is four. He is autistic. He is the best little boy ever. Um, I've been single

Amanda (Security)for about 8 months. Uh, just concentrating on my son and working. Santa Barbara is expensive. So, yeah. >> And are you currently single or seeing somebody?

Brian Atlas>> I'm single. Um, >> how long you've been single for? about eight months. >> Eight months. >> Yeah. I just got out of a nine-year relationship. >> Oh, that that's the one you're with your the father of your son. Were you guys married?

Amanda (Security)>> No. And then I was actually in a 9-year relationship before that with somebody else. So, yeah. Been with two people since I was 17. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> 34.

Brian Atlas>> And then, uh, the most recent 9-year relationship, who broke up with who? >> Um, I broke up with him, actually. >> Okay. And the other nine-year relationship, who broke up with who? >> I broke up with him, too.

Amanda (Security)>> Okay. Yeah. >> But the most recent one, that's the one the father of your kid. >> Yes. Okay. I had my son when I was 30. I'm 34. >> Okay. Does uh he pay you child support? What's the custody arrangement? >> He doesn't pay me child support and he

Amanda (Security)is nowhere to be found, so I've known. >> Is he also homeless in a hearse? >> No. >> Oh. >> Um he might be homeless, but I have no idea where he is. He's in town somewhere. >> Oh, >> yeah. You you don't have his number or

Amanda (Security)he doesn't pick up? >> No, he doesn't have a phone. Um >> are you working with >> He's He's from LA, so he's um >> Yeah, it's just different down there. He's he was a foster kid, so

Brian Atlas>> Oh, >> yeah. >> Right. Okay. Um have you like >> I'm not saying it's a bad thing >> with the child support >> just grow up different. Like, have you gone through the the state to help with that or no?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, he is actually. >> But they can't find him. Okay. Uh-huh. Okay, got it. Was what was he doing for work, I guess, when you guys were dating or

Amanda (Security)>> he was uh cleaning pools in Monosto? He had a good job. Yeah. >> Was it a surprise to like was it a intended pregnancy?

Amanda (Security)>> Um, it was a surprise actually. The pandemic happened. And I was on the birth control shot and obviously Planned Parenthood shut down. So you have sex

Amanda (Security)and don't have your birth control shots not working anymore equals baby. So >> right. >> I never intended to become a mom, but >> um it it's it's amazing. It really is. So

Jenna (Bartender)>> Okay. >> All right. There you go. >> Calm. >> What about you? >> I am currently single. Um, I split up with my most recent boyfriend of a year,

Brian Atlasuh, 6 months ago. So, and that was >> who broke up with who? Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> I ended things with him, >> unfortunately. >> And sorry, what were you going to say? >> Um, I don't know what I was going to say.

Jenna (Bartender)>> Okay. Uh, longest relationship? >> Uh, about 3 years. >> Who broke up with who? >> Uh, that was I couldn't even tell you. We were so toxic. We were always breaking up with each other. So, >> Oh, yeah. What were you doing that was

Jenna (Bartender)toxic? Um, just drinking and partying and fighting. And >> both of you? >> Both of us? Yeah. >> Okay. Drugs. >> I didn't do drugs. He did. >> Okay. All right. I noticed you have a

Brian Atlastattoo. Is that Bob Marley? >> That is Bob Marley. >> Can you show it like turn? >> Yes. We got Bob. >> Okay. All right. What's your favorite Bob Marley song? >> Uh, Stir It Up. Okay. My favorite would

Brian Atlasbe my favorite. >> Stir it up. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. You've been single for six months. Any guys in the picture currently? >> No. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> Have you had a rebound? >> No. >> No guys.

Jenna (Bartender)>> I went on I I did go on a couple of dates >> um with the same person. >> Um but nothing came of it. >> Okay. Uh any guys in the picture for you? >> Um there's a couple who have asked, but

Amanda (Security)I'm just not interested right now. >> You're You're not feeling it? >> No. >> You're It's >> I'm enjoying being single summer actually. I'm in. Yeah, I'm enjoying being single. >> Okay, there you go. Going to you uh

Brian Atlasrelationship status. >> I'm single and my longest relationship was 13 years. >> All right. Were you guys uh were married, right? Or Okay. And you have one kid, two kids? >> Two. >> Two from same guy?

Brian Atlas>> Nope. >> Oh, okay. Two kids uh two separate fathers. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Let's do a quick timeline. How How old were you when you had your first kid? >> I was 22. Um, and that was part of a 5-year relationship.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And then how old were you when you had your second kid? >> 33. >> Okay. So, they're about 10 years apart. >> Um, so your oldest is like 20 or >> 22. Adult.

Julie (SPC)>> Uh, daughter, son. >> My oldest is uh a son. >> Okay. >> And then uh my daughter is my youngest. >> No. >> Okay. All right. And sorry, your your youngest is >> I think he'd agree with uh what we talk

Brian Atlasabout. >> Yeah. >> Uh you said your other kid, son, daughter? >> Uh my daughter is 11. >> 12. >> And uh how long have you been single? >> A month. >> One month. And how long was that relationship that ended?

Brian Atlas>> A year. >> Who broke up with who? >> Uh I ended it. >> Okay. And then the 13-year relationship, the marriage, who did you initiate the divorce? >> Uh yes. >> Okay. Any reason? What was the reason

Brian Atlassided in the divorce? >> Uh, well, we actually haven't done the paperwork to be fair. >> Oh, you're separated then? >> Um, yeah. Okay. Um, but um, >> is he a secured party? >> No. No.

Julie (SPC)>> Would you date a sovereign citizen? >> Would I date a sovereign citizen? >> Yeah. Like, would you date a sav sovereign citizen? >> Not most of the ones that are out there. No. >> Well, I mean, I I don't know. Like the

Brian AtlasScottish. >> My head isn't even that far. >> Okay. Uh, just checking because I feel like there might be some in the chat who might be like, "She's the one." Um, so,

Brian Atlasokay. Uh, single for one month, 13-year. Uh, does your ex Wait, hold on. Okay, so you have one adult kid. Uh, were you being paid child support

Julie (SPC)for the first child? >> The first one? Yes. >> Second child, are you being paid child support? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, any reason why? just not looking to >> um we share our daughter 50% of the time

Brian Atlaseach shared custody and uh I wouldn't I wouldn't ask for that. >> Okay. Gotcha. Uh were you paid alimony during the course of after your marriage? >> Nope. >> No. Oh, well it's you're not technically fully divorced yet, >> right? But even if I had been, I

Piawouldn't have asked for that. >> Gotcha. Thank you. Uh oh, this thing for the gifted 10. All right. What about you? >> Um I'm single right now. I've been single for about six months. Um, and

Brian Atlaslongest relationship is four years. Two relationships that were four years. >> Okay. The most and the six-month rel or then the relationship that ended 6 months ago, that was a four-year relationship. Correct. >> One of them.

Pia>> Who broke up with who? >> Um, it was kind of mutual, but I guess you could say I broke up with them. >> And then the other four-year relationship, who broke up with who? >> I broke up with them.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. Do you ever disclose your situation or just it's do you want to relate to us or is just we're disclosing? >> Uh I don't disclose my relationship status on stream but uh I am I'm a virgin and

Brian Atlas>> I don't believe that. Yeah. >> I have never enjoyed the company of a woman ever. >> Is that the lore? Is that true? >> Uh yes. >> Okay. >> But no. But sort of but no. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Hey, you know, look, I got uh I got I got death threats. I got haters. I just keep certain things private, but um I appreciate the curiosity. Okay, so let's get into uh some of the pre-show notes

Brian Atlashere. We got quite a lot to talk about today. Uh I think where do I want to Any kids? You got kids? >> No. >> No kids. All right. >> A dog.

Brian Atlas>> She's got a dog. All right. So, okay. Why don't we just jump right in? Um h Let's see. Where do I want to start? Whose notes first? whose notes first.

Brian AtlasUh, why don't I just say this then while I'm looking? Anybody have any disagreements with me and then we'll start there.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I don't have any disagreements with you, but really wish Andrew was on the chat. >> Okay. What do you What do you uh disagree with Andrew on? And maybe I can >> think it's crazy the fact that he

Elizabeth (4 Kids)attacked me last time when his wife technically has three baby daddies. Oh, >> I does Does she >> But she's married. >> I think it's only two. >> I thought Wait, >> she has she has two baby daddies.

Brian Atlas>> Two baby daddies and then >> I think a kid with Andrew. >> I thought she just had heard her >> I thought she just had children from one other person and she's married to Andrew. >> I

Sin>> It's two previous marriages, but one left and the other one like died or something. >> I think that's a running joke that I just picked up on recently. Right. >> He also has a black wife. >> Yes. Mhm. >> I just think it's crazy. The judgment's crazy. >> Rachel's black,

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> so >> very progressive. >> Very. Yeah. >> Anyways, uh so what's the >> I just >> into the mic? >> The the conversation about like being a

Elizabeth (4 Kids)S and who would want me in X Y and Z, but I don't know >> what. So what's the what's the argument? >> I just don't think he has a right to look down on me when he's technically in the same situation.

Brian AtlasIs he though? Is he >> minus like the dancing and all of that? >> Wait, hold on. Well, so I look I don't commit to memory discussions from previous shows. But so you're saying he had issues with your involvement in sex

Elizabeth (4 Kids)work. He's not a sex worker. What would >> um No, the whole having multiple baby daddies is he wants to look down on me and >> but yet his wife also has multiple baby daddies. >> She's not a s worker though. >> That's not what I'm talking about. I'm

Brian Atlastalking about just >> Yeah, but his criticisms were varied. Some of them were directed at how many baby daddies I have. >> Okay. But so I could be wrong. I I thought Rachel just had she had previous

Brian Atlaskids from a previous marriage. >> From from what I maybe Anybody in the chat is it I'm pretty sure it's two. >> Mhm. >> No, sorry. Two total. So Andrew and then a previous marriage.

Brian Atlas>> I'm just saying it's >> right chat. Is it two? I don't know. In any case, that's different than four. >> I understand that. But to As a Christian, aren't you not supposed to judge people, especially when you your wife is doing the same thing?

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> Well, she's shaking her head. So, >> do do you not have any issues with having four baby daddies? >> I'm not I did it. I'm not happy about it. But I have my kids and I can undo

Elizabeth (4 Kids)it. I wish I was more safe. I wish I had better judgment. But I don't look down on people because like it is easy to fall into. It is easy for it to happen.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)So, like I don't like that I have four baby daddies, but it is what it is. And I don't look down on other people for their situations. >> Well, what Okay. So, what specifically did Andrew say?

Brian Atlas>> I don't remember. He was talking about >> So, he was just vaguely judging you. >> Yeah. And I >> So, unless you tell me what specifically Andrew said. I >> I have to rewatch it. But he he got on me about it. >> Okay. But you would agree that his

Elizabeth (4 Kids)situation is far different than your situation. >> Yeah. But as a Christian, are you you're not supposed to be judgmental like that. >> So you brought up God doesn't judge. >> Wait, I think Christians can righteously judge.

Pia>> That's my understanding of Christianity. >> I haven't seen very much of it. But >> what do you define as looking down on? Because like let's say I have a disagreement with something that somebody does. Does that mean that I'm looking down on them?

Brian Atlas>> For some of the stuff that he said, it's just it was very judgmental. It wasn't >> What did he say? >> I don't know, brain. I have to go rewatch. >> Well, I can't I mean, look, if you if

Brian Atlasyou can't provide, and it doesn't need to be like a verbatim quote, but just a general sense of what he said, then I can't really address. >> Just him looking down on the fact that I

Elizabeth (4 Kids)have four baby daddies, which I get, but as a Christian, you're this righteous Christian, and your wife, she's not traditional. She wasn't traditional. She has >> Orthodox Christian. They're they're both

Elizabeth (4 Kids)super tradition. They're both super traditional. She was traditional to have another kid outside of that marriage. Why was she not a virgin? >> I don't think it's against Christianity to be a stepfather.

Eugina>> That's okay. That's not what I'm saying. >> Yeah, but but your criticisms I don't see the I don't see the issue actually. >> I think she's just saying Christianity is about forgiveness somehow, right? >> In a way, you're not part of other

Julie (SPC)people. >> I I think that's a common misnomer though, whether it's Christianity um or uh just scripture in general. Um it's a it's a misnomer that we're not supposed to judge when in fact we are and that's how we, you know, hold each other

Julie (SPC)accountable. It doesn't have to be in a negative way, right? Um but this is how we make our decisions as we move about in life. Um is by judgment, right? I do understand what you're saying though in terms of coming down on you. And

Brian Atlas>> but so so who would be allowed to judge you then? Like somebody who's been chased their entire life and as a virgin. I'm not saying that everyone's going to judge me regardless, but it's

Elizabeth (4 Kids)you want to sit there and speak on faith and X, Y, and Z, but then you criticize and put me down as another person. I don't think it's I don't think it's the right way to go about it. Like you said, like, yeah, of everybody judges, but

Brian Atlasthere's a certain way to go about it then. >> Yeah. What did he say, though? >> I don't remember, Brian. I just said that. You can't just be like, "Okay, I have a disagreement and uh Andrew hurt

Brian Atlasmy fees, but I don't even I can't even articulate an approximation of what he said." >> I think I already said what I needed to say. >> Okay, fine. He was vaguely judging you.

Brian AtlasHe was vaguely judging you about your four baby daddies, four kids. I thought he was coming. Again, I don't remember

Brian Atlasanything from previous shows, but if I I think it was about he was coming down mostly hard on you when it related to the sex work. >> Yeah, that Yeah, but >> yeah, but he's not a sex worker, so why would that >> I didn't say that was my issue with him.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I said my issue was the four baby daddies. Of course, he's not a sex worker. If he wants to judge me on that, cool. Because Yeah. >> Let's assume he he wasn't a stepfather. Would you be okay with his criticism then? >> I think so. >> Okay. So, just because

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> it's not the stepfather thing. I think it's you're okay with one person person doing it because you're in love with her XYZ. But when you see another person doing it, you're looking down upon that person. I don't think that's fair. I think it's different when you're married. When you're married and

Brian Atlassomething happens in that relationship or that person dies, you get to find somebody else and get remarried. >> I understand that. >> But don't you think it like, okay, let's say yes, Rachel had previous kids with

Brian Atlasone other uh partner who at the time happened to be her husband. They're divorced. There is a a a difference of between that four kids, four fathers, all out of

Elizabeth (4 Kids)wedlock. >> See, from what I thought it was, from what I heard, I listened to her on something and I misunderstood then cuz I thought it was two and then one with Andrew. So, that was my my bad on misunderstanding.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, well, I mean, there's a lot of disinformation related to Rachel, related to Andrew. Um, I would have to, me personally, I don't actually know the exact intel on it, but I what I can tell you is there's a bunch of

Brian Atlasmisinformation. There's people out there who are trying to slander Andrew. Slander slander uh Rachel. >> She was talking on something. And >> they say Andrew has a black wife. >> Andrew,

Brian Atlasby the way, he slandered. That's crazy. >> Hold on. Not that there's anything wrong. >> He said he was slander. I think she has a black wife. >> Stop. Stop. Not that there's anything wrong with having a black wife, but there's all kinds of like

Brian Atlasdisinformation. They I've heard something the other day that accused Rachel falsely of that she was an ex one of these people, one of these uh people on Twitter was saying she was like an ex

Brian Atlasadult content creator, furthest thing from the truth. She's not been involved in any sort of s work. So, there's a lot of misinformation related to Andrew, Rachel, their relationship. Um I don't know the specific details. He's not here, but that's what I can tell you.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Okay. Anything else? Okay. Uh, any other disagreements from anybody on anything? I have it in my pre-show notes, but I wanted to prompt

Brian Atlasyou guys. No. Gone once. Gone twice. Three times. Nope. Okay. Uh, here. Why don't we start with We're going to go to

Brian Atlasum our secured party creditor, Julie. Julie, uh, you said you think with five eyes it potentially is narrowing the pool of women who men will date. I think you're talking about the show, at least

Brian Atlasmen who enjoy the show. Aren't we looking at a huge number of people not dating, having sex now? Studies are showing and predicting terrible outcomes. My concern pertains to continuing humanity. So, do you want to clarify on that?

Julie (SPC)>> Yeah. So, I I actually agree with pretty much everything that gets discussed on the show, and that actually brought up a question for me. So I I don't know if you have uh like when you started the

Julie (SPC)show if you have an agenda um in terms of what you like what audience you hope to reach or what things you hope to change but my perspective from having

Julie (SPC)watched many many shows was uh or for a while was that um it was kind of getting women to see the nature of their ways and how it's not ideal for for

Julie (SPC)them. Um and I think it's moving people towards a good ideal. Um but then after listening to one of your former guests on the debate, I was listened to another podcast um the other day and it was just

Julie (SPC)talking about >> um >> you know like that we're seeing it such a decrease in the number of people dating. Um obviously a decrease in the number of of children being born so on and so forth. People are are not even

Julie (SPC)having sex anymore, things like that. So I one of the things that that guest had pointed out was that it's getting men to hate women. And I I kind of see where he

Julie (SPC)could be correct um in some ways. And so I I just um I mean I feel like I think it's it's fine for to kind of shape women to be a

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