4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

Date: 2025-07-14

Duration: 7h 57m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EElizabeth (4 Kids)>

AAmanda (Security)>

JJenna (Bartender)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Eugina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth (4 Kids)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Amanda (Security)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Pia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie (SPC)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kelly (Cars)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna (Bartender)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sin(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKelly reveals she just exited polycule with non-binary homeless comedian living in hearse

Key MomentElizabeth: 4 kids with 4 different fathers. Tubes tied.

Key MomentBrian announces men's rights nonprofit: child support, alimony, custody reform, banning circumcision

ControversyCircumcision debate: Brian vs Eugina

Key MomentEugina lost virginity at 31 to Black Muslim comedian from TBS show

Key MomentJulie: had sex within 5 minutes of meeting Vegas man, continued seeing him 5-6 times

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sin, Eugina (PhD feminist), Kelly (polycule exit), Elizabeth (4 kids 4 dads), Amanda, Jenna, Julie (SPC), Pia (electrician).

SPC/Sovereign Citizen Discussion

Julie explains secured party creditor status and ministry.

Elizabeth 4 Kids 4 Dads

Kids at ages 18, 21, 24, 26. Tubes tied.

Circumcision Debate

Brian: genital mutilation should be banned. Eugina: hygiene benefits.

Feminism Extended Debate

Brian vs Eugina: selective service, patriarchy, domestic violence stats.

Eugina Lost Virginity at 31

To Black Muslim comedian from TBS show, met on Hinge in Brooklyn.

Julie Vegas Story

Had sex within 5 minutes of meeting man in Vegas. Continued seeing him 5-6 times.

Transcript

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Julie (SPC)particular way and not everyone may agree with me on that. Um because I think it's what's best. I think order is best and it exists for a reason. Um but I do think it it might be affecting um

Brian Atlasthe the dating situation. uh people having sex, people procreating >> the show >> maybe. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, I would approach this a couple different ways. The first

Brian Atlasthing I would say is that uh while the podcast is successful, I wouldn't say that its reach is particularly mainstream. You know, I think there's what five 6 thousand people watching at

Brian Atlasthe moment. Uh I don't really think that that is a substantial sub subset of the uh dating marketplace. I mean it accounts for probably a very small

Brian Atlasamount of people. Of course you would maybe argue well the clips like they have further reach and I would agree. Uh but I don't think for example as compared to a podcast like color daddy

Brian Atlaswhich is consumed by uh a massive demographic of women between the ages of like 18 or even younger than that actually and 30 34

Brian Atlasuh primarily in the United States the whatever audience has a much more global reach. Uh this I would say that call daddy has a far more damaging effect in

Brian Atlasso far as it it's a the host, what's her name? Alex or whatever. Yeah, Alex Cooper, I think. She's like a massive proponent of promiscuity and does not

Brian Atlashave very good uh prescriptions for like what how young women should date. But so my my first counter would just be, okay, my podcast does not have such a substant

Brian Atlassubstantial reach that it would like have some sort of impact on the birth rate. But to actually address your argument of, okay, well, it's making men hateful, I would just ask you, what

Brian Atlasspecific topics or what specific things have I said that would be making men like hateful? What's the rhetoric that I'm espousing that well, it's it's her thing, so >> Okay, I'll wait.

Julie (SPC)>> Well, I guess I it's not a major issue that I have, but what I I've probably watched over 40 or listened to 40 episodes, >> so when I'm listening, I'll just jot down notes. So, it's not like a a major gripe or anything. It's just a comment. Uh, you know, especially knowing that I

Julie (SPC)might come on the show. >> Um, so yeah, I definitely have acknowledged that the audience is not so large that, you know, there's obviously other issues at hand. Um, and, uh, you know, I was hearing more information elsewhere, you know, that we're looking

Julie (SPC)at, you know, obviously social media, pornography, um, co, you know, all of these things have contributed to the decrease in these areas. Um, it was more so just just a side note. It's not

Brian Atlas>> right that it was also a side note for me to just point out that I don't think my audience is hold on hold on hold on is exceptionally large. Yes, there's robust YouTube

Brian Atlasanalytics. But to my question, what specific things have I espoused that would that you would point to as it relates to men starting to hate women?

Julie (SPC)Like what am I advocating for on the podcast that would make men hate women? >> Actually, probably nothing that you've said. I think more so when we when uh like when Andrew is here and I love Andrew. Um and I like I said I agree

Brian Atlaswith you. >> I'll defend Andrew. What has Andrew Hold on. What has Andrew said that will lead men to hate women? >> Um

Julie (SPC)I don't like being put on the spot. Um I guess just looking at um removing I don't know maybe maybe hate is not the right word. Did I say hate in my

Brian Atlaswhat I >> uh well not it doesn't look like in your pre-show notes but just right now in person you did mention that >> my viewership some of them might start

Julie (SPC)hating women um so >> I guess just in terms sorry in terms of looking at at the dating pool right so if if women have ex you know body count which I'm totally in agreement with

Julie (SPC)preferring a a small body count um but I think it's just excluding wh women women in general role. And I think a lot of times because I think it myself too um with a conversation sometimes I'm

Julie (SPC)sitting here going she's a freaking idiot and I I mean I'm thinking these things so I'm thinking there might be a lot of men thinking the same thing as well. So I I don't know maybe I misspoke.

Brian Atlas>> But so if if a woman comes on the podcast and says something uh problematic or stupid or whatever, I don't think that that would be evidence

Brian Atlasof something that I'm doing. Like if a if a girl comes on here and says that she's I don't know um a murderer or something. I don't know. I

Brian Atlasthink it'd be fair justification for people to probably hate her. But so I'm I guess what am what am I doing? What am I espousing? Hold on. She gets to go first, but then you can weigh in. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> What am I espousing that would lead men to hate women? I'm just again I'm not looking I'm not looking you I'm not trying to do a gotcha where I need like a specific

Brian Atlasverbatim quote. I'm just looking for a you know a sense of what you think I'm saying or doing that would lead men to hate women. >> No. And to be fair, I don't think there

Euginais anything that you're doing. So I perhaps that was not the best comment. >> You wanted to weigh in. >> Uh I don't know. I just wanted to point I don't know too much about Andrew. I

Euginadon't know. I think it's the Is it the Prageru person? >> No. >> Is it? Oh, well, okay. I don't know who that is, but um just the nature of the

Euginapresentation of those two sex dolls back there would in lead some men to have a certain reaction to this. That seems a little infantilizing to be like to let women speak to like okay if like someone

Kelly (Cars)makes an ass out of themselves then it's oh god like you you collectively give them a place to speak and they said stupid things it's like that's a little infantilizing. So I'm happy to explore

Brian Atlasthat. But it seemed like when I was saying what do I do or what do I say in terms of you know what what do I espouse that would lead men to hate women. And just want to be clear. >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Eugina>> Okay. >> The first thing you cited to >> Yeah. >> was the presence of mannequins. >> The inherent presentation of this. Yeah. On the screen. >> On the screen.

Eugina>> Yeah. The way you're displaying the women and sex dolls behind them. Can you can you wait the the way I'm displaying the mannequins? >> They're not mannequins. >> Sure. Okay, fine. >> Yeah, they're they're sex dolls.

Brian Atlas>> They have clothes on. >> But hold on. But so what is the way in which I'm displaying them aside from their presence that you find objectionable? >> No, I'm just saying if you look at s what a symbol is, that's a symbol back

Euginathere, right? >> What evident? Hold on. What do you mean by that? >> Well, okay. You bring on women to the show. >> That is true. And behind them, you put

Brian Atlastwo sex dolls. It's okay. If it's not self-evident, then I won't explain it. >> No, no, no. Attempt to explain it because it isn't self-evident, so you'll have to explain it. >> Well, one has her tongue out.

Eugina>> Yeah. That's called the ho. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, there's symbol. There's certain, you know, people read images, right? People look at an image and something comes to their mind.

Brian Atlas>> I agree with that. So if you look at this image, you see women >> sitting in a circle with you. >> Yeah, that's Yep. I'm on >> and then directly behind >> it's okay. It doesn't matter.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But so so I I agree with your with your observation. >> Your observation is correct that there are the dolls in the studio and there are women in the studio. What's the

Euginainference? It's an image that infers that women, you know, are pl disposable sort of and for sex. Disposable and for sex. >> Yeah. So, how do you arrive at that

Brian Atlasconclusion? >> I don't know. It's not that difficult. >> I could do. So, so you're just creating a you're creating Well, it's not that difficult. Explain it to me. >> To read an image. Everyone reads images. >> Straighten up with the mic. >> Sorry. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So, to read an image. Okay. So, it's an objective truth that because I have the those dolls in the studio that that is misogyny or what you trying to say? >> If you watch a movie, right, any

EuginaQuentyn's here in you watch Kill Bill, right? >> Okay. >> You're reading those images from Kill Bill different ways and that's what the director does is he puts

Euginathings in the frame of the film, right? To make you infer certain things in the frame, >> right? Well, >> okay. So, I agree with you that they're in they're there. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> How do you arrive at the conclusion that it's some sort of like misogyny? >> I don't know what what is the purpose of them? Is it just like a >> You made the claim. You made the claim. I don't need to explain why they're there.

Brian Atlas>> What's the intention of them? >> Hold on. Well, but you've already come to the conclusion. >> So, I'm trying to figure out how you establish that. I'm not going to make the argument for you. You're going to have to provide.

Brian Atlas>> I already said what it is. It's that >> No, but you've just said, "Okay, well, there's palm trees. You're >> equating women with sex dolls." >> How how come to that conclusion? >> Well, why are they there?

Brian Atlas>> Why? Okay. Why would that I I don't I'm failing to see how that how that equates. Like, >> no, I just want to know what your intention is putting them there. >> No, but you It's not that you want to

Euginaknow. You've already come to a determination. Well, I that was my interpretation of what they represent. That's mine, right? But I want to know what your intention was so that I know that maybe I have the wrong interpretation.

Brian Atlas>> So, I'm happy to dive into it, but I just want to be clear. >> So, the when I ask what is something that I espouse or something that I do that would make men hate women and the first thing the first, you know,

Brian Atlastypically often times when people are going to provide uh some evidence for a claim, it's going to be the strongest evidence first. So, just to be clear, the first evidence you're going to provide, >> I'm giving you my interpretation, >> is that there happens to be sex dolls in

Brian Atlasthe studio? >> Yes, that's my interpretation. What they mean? >> Let me ask you a question. Would it be offensive if th if they were males? And would this be like hatred? Would I be espousing hatred towards men if those sex dolls happen to be men?

Pia>> Well, they're not though, are they? >> But but would it would that be an entailment of your logic? >> If you had male sex dolls there, what about them being there is going to >> Wait, let let me give an answer. hate a woman.

Pia>> No, just the like when you look at a picture, right, you get an immediate feeling, an emotion. >> We're talking about feelings. What about looking at this is going to make a man a

Brian Atlascertain way. >> Immediately woman like >> I'm I Yeah, sure. >> She's she's a feminist film. Yeah, it's >> Yeah. Um,

Brian Atlas>> but so if they were male sex dolls, would that be evidence of my >> They would be comedic if they were male. You'd be doing it as a joke, >> but it's oppressive because they're female. >> No, if it's Maybe it's a joke. >> How do you know their gender? What if

Euginatheir gender is nonbinary? >> Okay, they're non-binary sex dolls. >> Are they even in frames? >> They're not. They don't have a gender. They're plastic. So, it's fine. >> To me, sex didn't even come up. I saw all the other problems. >> But it's about rhetoric.

SPEAKER_03>> Wait, but I also behind me I have like Spartan like male Spartan That's those are symbols of strength. >> It's about like the the message coming out of it, right? So like what's the rhetoric that the problem is? Right. So

Elizabeth (4 Kids)like >> proud Roman heritage strength. >> Understanding why it's so offensive. >> Conquering armies. >> I don't understand why it's so offensive with it being women. But you >> It's not offensive. I'm not offended. I'm just pointing out the way people

Euginaread a certain like they look at it and be fine. It'd be funny if it was guys. That makes no sense to me. >> No, but they're not guys though, are they? If they were guys then it would be funny. And it's funny because they're women. I don't perspective on why.

Brian Atlas>> He never answered why he put them there. >> I was asking the I'll give you a couple I'll give you a couple answers. So the first answer is I had a couple different companies. There's two cyber companies who reached out to me, offered to provide them for

Brian Atlasfree. The second thing, hold on. The second thing was uh this was very early when we started back in July of 2022. I was >> Yeah, guys, be quiet, please. Uh this was in July of uh when I first started

Brian Atlasthe podcast, July 2022. I was like, you know what? If we ever have no shows or anything, and I want to make it look like we have a full table >> and you can look at some older episodes

Brian Atlaswhere we did have flakes and we will bring up one of the the dolls. So it as like kind of a jokey thing. It's like, oh, we have a full table here. So that's one of the reasons. >> So I misinterpreted it. It's

Brian Atlas>> that's one of the reasons. and and then I also used to do a gambit or bit where one of them was actually my co-host. So really I think this is actually

Brian Atlaselevating women because I granted a like a a a fe I granted like a an inanimate object my co-host status and I did that

Brian Atlasto a female sex doll, not a male sex doll. So actually I think that points to my sexism towards men, not towards women. And also the fact that they're both women. I think that would point towards this sort of uh the fact that

Brian Atlasthey're not men shows like a lack of inclusivity towards male sex dolls. >> Put a male sex doll there. >> No, but I'm actually >> Are there male sex dolls? >> I think No, I think my audience is going to completely turn against me because it

Brian Atlasactually shows a lack of inclusivity towards male sex dolls pointing towards my sexism. The fact that there's no male sex dolls actually is just really I'm a sexist towards men. So you can change your ways and put a male sex doll.

Brian Atlas>> But I could just do the this narrative spin framing of the reason they're there is because like I think women are so wonderful that I only have female sex dolls. >> Like we can just do narrative spin. >> Okay. Sure.

Brian Atlas>> And then he feds them when I'll take your I'll take your version is intact. Okay. >> I'll take I'll take your version of it. >> But like I I don't understand. So um >> that was just my interpretation. It's

Kelly (Cars)fine. What about the like difference? We should dive into like the discrepancy between male and female. Like that doesn't make any sense to me. Like why what what is the articulation that would make the delineation for it? >> Wait, I hold on.

Brian Atlas>> It's just they're plastic sucks though and then [ __ ] that been >> I am so sorry guys. My stream labs got bugged so these came in a while ago. Grid one, I'm so sorry. I did not see these. We'll get if you have if you want

Brian Atlasto wrap up on it, we can. I'm going to let these chats come through. Grid one, I'm super sorry that I just missed these. I was so caught up um defending my female sex dolls. I apologize, but

SPEAKER_00I'm gonna >> attacking your inanimate object. >> Grid One Motorsports donated $200. >> Okay, so maybe I was wrong. >> Rachel had two long-term relationships

SPEAKER_00that did result in children without marriage. Andrew married her and had children. He and Rachel came to Christ and the church. is the difference.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. Grid one, thank you so much, man. Cheers to you. I apologize for the delay on these. Um, >> thank you, though. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00>> Grid One Motorsports donated $2001. The piece you are is our missing is you have no remorse and have not changed. You are still a sex worker. You have not

SPEAKER_00come to Christ and need to evaluate your lifestyle choices. Be better. >> I'm actually no longer a sex worker. >> Oh, so W.

Brian Atlas[Music] >> Nice. Um, couple more chats coming through. Chef Dill Pickles, also I apologize for the delay on this. >> Chef Dill Pickles donated $200.

SPEAKER_00Chair 2 is out of breath just talking about how she failed a raw shik test that she made up in her mind. >> Do you want to respond to that? >> Was that direct? >> Chair two. You're chair two? Yeah. >> Oh, I'm chair two.

Eugina>> Yeah, chair one. Chair. >> Gina. Hi. Uh I Well, that's what anyone who makes films, you know, they intentionally put things in the frame and that's what I was interpreting.

Eugina>> Yeah, but I'm not exactly like scores over here. >> You are making something, right? Right. Like, >> no. Well, then you're just putting it there without thinking about it. >> I've been looking for the dog whistles.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it's I mean, hold on. Just to be clear, wait, can can you reach behind you and lift up that picture of a shirtless man? >> Oh, okay. >> You know, it's weird. I didn't hear you. >> I missed it. I didn't see you.

Brian Atlas>> I did not hear you. You know, this is I'm objectifying this man here. Uh I'm surprised there wasn't any commentary about the fact that I have a picture of a shirtless man. >> He's not visible in frame. Is he visible? >> Sometimes he is. sometimes. Yeah, they're not really

Brian Atlasvisible, but okay. >> You don't know. I I think it's interesting. You know, you focus on the sex dolls who are fully clothed. Fully clothed. By the way, here I have a picture of a of a shirtless man. I also have a a black man also in the studio.

Eugina>> That's great. Patrice is great. >> A lot of objectification going on. >> I I get it. There wasn't as much I put more intention there than there was. It's fine. >> Yeah. Okay. Anything else or

Brian Atlas>> No. >> Okay. Uh, let's see here. Oh, some more chats, guys. Grid one, I appreciate your patience, man. Sorry again about that. Dave Richards, child support is such a scam. You should have Jeff Younger on.

Brian AtlasAnd he explains, I'll read Rachel's in a sec. Explains how these females weaponize the courts to bring bankrupt men. It's disgusting, especially if the father is a willing father. >> Yeah, >> is a scam.

Brian Atlas>> Pop out a child to get $500 a month. >> You know what, guys? You know what I want to do? Um, I I I'm You know what? I need to start a men's rights

Brian Atlasorganization. And if anybody wants to volunteer and then like legitimate organization, nonprofit, >> how many nonprofits? Big labia, nonprofit.

Brian Atlas>> I know it's a lot. What I need What I need is any attorneys who are willing to do pro bono stuff and we'll do men's rights litigation

Brian Atlas>> free work. >> So, we'll I we'll do child support reform. We're going to do uh try to ban circumcision and we're going to try

Brian Atlasuh what's the other one? Like child custody reform, alimony reform. There's another one I wanted to do. Oh, um, there's actually something that we

Brian Atlascould pursue currently with some of these. Are are we dating? Actually, I don't want to show my cards yet on that. Um, if there's any attorneys who want to do a little pro bono work, I have some

Brian Atlasideas. So, get in touch. Okay, we have uh, thank you for that message though, Dave Richards. Well, put men can see the obvious misandry on TikTok. Feminists think your man-hating is only seen by

Brian Atlastheir women. Delusional. You are the reason men reject you. Sex workers and feminists equal red flag from Yeah. >> No response. Okay. >> Was that a question? What was the question?

Brian Atlas>> Typically, you like bounce off. >> Oh, Vermillion says false accusations also like Oh, Title N stuff like in universities where these guys just get railroaded by kangaroo courts in the

Brian Atlasuniversities. Yeah. Uh we have let's see. Oh, we have something from Rachel. I'll just pull that up. I was married before, never promiscuous, never cheated. I have a brain in my head, and I'm a good wife and mother, not a hypocrite. Totally different. Do you want to respond to Rachel since she's in

Brian Atlasthe chat? >> That's great for you, Rachel. But I don't know. I would say, "Where's your husband?" >> Your smoke is mostly with Andrew's. >> That's She's right here. Say what you say. >> So much to Rachel. It was crazy that Rachel wanted to chime in and try to

Elizabeth (4 Kids)give me a diagnosis. >> Um, and say I was a liar about my daughter and everything. That was wild. But I don't know. You're a good wife and a mother. You're not a good person.

Brian Atlas>> She's a great person. I like >> call in. No wamp wamp. >> Okay. All right. There you go. Cool. Good times. Anyways, uh let's see if there's Was there anything else? Did you want to like finish off? >> What?

Brian Atlas>> Uh you were point you were like raising your hand when I was asking. >> Not recently. >> Oh, okay. Um can I ask are you since you're a feminist?

Brian Atlas>> I uh study it. Yeah, sure. Why? Why are you so hesitant to just accept the >> I don't know. To accept what? Feminism. >> Yeah. Like, aren't you studying

Euginafeminist? >> I am, but I go back and forth on things. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh, okay. >> That's why we lost the election.

Eugina>> Are you a like are you a massandist or >> No, I just have higher expectations of people in general. >> Oh, >> men and women.

EuginaHave I? >> No, I mean I just expectations or >> I think yes, I'm a fe sure I'm a feminist and the fact that it's own and the fact that your chest >> and the fact that women at this point

Euginadon't want to be feminists means it's a dirty word. So that's not a great thing. But you know, I feel like feminists are so judgmental and they women are at fault and I feel like

Elizabeth (4 Kids)feminists have a hard time. >> Yes, we're responsible for everything. >> Not everything. You're both wrong. >> It's ridiculous that you guys women are people in the wrong. You guys have no ownership on anything.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I got to spoil you guys. >> Wait on what? >> What am I having ownership on? >> No, like women refuse like feminists refuse to have ownership on anything. It's always the guy's fault. It's always >> Oh, you're saying taking accountability?

Eugina>> There's no accountability. >> Well, that I disagree with. I also don't >> think that women should not take responsibility for what they do. That's not part of what I think. >> But you already showed it when those were >> I was just interpreting as sex dolls

Euginabeing behind us. >> Yeah, but that wasn't okay. But if they were guys, it'd be fine. Like that right there is >> No, it wouldn't be fine either. But they're not guys. >> But that's what you said. You literally did say it would be fine. >> It would be as a joke because a male sex doll is a joke. A female sex doll is a

Euginareality. >> But what's the difference? >> Males >> because men and for other men generally >> I doesn't matter like they're still doing it. >> Well, men are the main clients. You're It's funny to make fun of guys or to have to objectify men, but when it comes

Elizabeth (4 Kids)to women, oh my god, it's the end of the world. >> Well, I would think >> that's what feminism is and that's >> no objectifying men. >> If it was men, it would be what did you say? It would be humor. >> But if it was, that's a hypothetical, you know, >> but it was humorous if it was men,

Euginaright? >> Because Yes. The reason it would be funny is because when men are naked, it's a joke. It's not cuz that's the way everything's organized. >> Well, that's how society is because women make it out. It's so funny when men are objectified, but god forbid it's

Euginawomen. >> I would say it's just because there's like a discrepancy. Like I feel like most people don't feel like there's a gender discrep. Like >> by the way, I agree with you on most of what you were saying. I don't think you should have been judged on anything

Euginayou've done in your life so far. Everyone should give each other grace on how they've lived their life. And the fact that Andrew or whoever, I don't know who that was, was judging you on

Euginadoing what you did. What is it? What am I supposed to call it? Sex work. Sex work. >> Okay. The fact that he judged you for it, I think that's a chauvinist position. So, I agree with you there. I'm not against you.

Eugina>> No. And I appreciate it. I just I'm not against you either, but I am against your >> I'm just pointing out I'm just pointing out that you can be critical of things sometimes. It's okay. You know, not everything is right. Not everything is

Euginagreat, right? Life isn't perfect. So, you can criticize some aspects of life. >> So, so if you're a feminist, right? Yeah. What um what are you fighting for? >> Well, I'm not really I'm just pointing

Euginathings out that irk me sometimes. >> Okay. So, just being irked like >> I'm not f I mean, what am I fighting for? >> We should define feminism. >> I just don't like when women are disrespected by men. That's all. That's

Euginanot a big thing. >> Disrespect men all the time. >> I think women disrespect people. Sure. >> A woman is more likely to get away with hitting a man. >> Everyone does everything. I'm not saying

Kelly (Cars)women are perfect angels and men are bad. I'm saying that there's a >> sorry, >> I would consider that one of the pitfalls of feminism is that it's like it it deviates you from the left because you're it's not equal opportunity.

EuginaYou're like literally treating people differently based on their sex. >> I'm just all I was trying to point out with him was that he's trying to present women in a certain way that's not nice. That's all. I just think women present

Kelly (Cars)themselves the way they want to be presented whether in public or indoors. >> That's fine. He was doing it. We're not doing it. He was doing it. >> What is the [ __ ] to be like kind of inflammatory engage in these conversations like bring in differing

Piaviewpoints you know? So I'm like as long as you're like prepared for >> I thought it was like he he hha but >> I just think feelings and interpretations aren't good enough. Like you need something in reality to be this is the issue.

Eugina>> I think in this country more or less men and women have equality. I don't think there's anything. But in other places, you can certainly fight for things. But here mostly it's fine. I'm not really

Euginasaying there's issues, major issues legally or in any other way in this country. >> But this is just one country, there's other places. >> I guess I'd be curious like what theme

Euginalike what do you think that this podcast does to show women in a bad light? Like do you think just cuz he brings like different people >> that women he's trying to show women that we're not as intelligent as men. how weird. I understand how like what

Julie (SPC)you >> by by equate by equating us with plastic. >> Okay, so we're back to the sex cells. Are there any other Yeah, you guys. >> Oh, sorry. No, actually something that I I'm I'm realizing that I kind of posed

Julie (SPC)to to the show. It's actually not the show, right? It's women themselves who are giving themselves a bad name, right? >> That that's what I see more often than >> Well, women can blame themselves. We're

Julie (SPC)good at blaming ourselves. I'm saying about our behavior when we talk about others >> we're just some of our thought processes are just out the window and kind of delusional right so I don't think it's

Julie (SPC)actually the show it's us you know as excuse me ourselves who are making it seem that way >> what makes I don't know why are we I

Euginahave a question he's wearing uh sneakers right why are we not wearing our shoes >> his place sexism sexism is alive >> I don't know I wanted to keep my shoes on. >> It's a place. >> All right. Sure.

Eugina>> It's a respectful fine. >> It's kind of common for people to ask you to take off your shoes. >> No, I understand in a in someone's house, but this is What is this? Is a studio, right? >> That's why these computers for sex. >> Yeah, it's a studio, but it's

Eugina>> No, I know. It's fine. I >> It's hard to watch the carpets. That's why. >> Oh, okay. Good. Well, that's I thought that was that was my second guess. That was my second guess. >> Believe it. >> It's in the notes. >> I listen.

Eugina>> Well, he's one person. Live and let live, right? But he was pressing you. He was pressing each of us for our entire sexual and relationship history and he wouldn't say what his was. >> It's the point of the show. It's the whole >> No, I get it. That's what I'm saying.

EuginaIt's the point of the show. That's what I'm Exactly. That's what I'm saying. >> Sexual history. >> Yeah. >> He was asking how many kids do you have? >> How many kids? >> I guess what else besides the sex dolls are like the dog? >> I literally asked

Eugina>> I offered that mom. >> Yeah. >> This is dating talk. We're talking about dating. So, why doesn't he participate? >> He doesn't have to. >> I agree. He doesn't have to, but there's a reason he doesn't.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I think we all come on to the show like knowing what to expect. He is the host, so it's like he does want to hear from us versus like if he wanted a podcast where he just sits there and talks, he would do that. He wouldn't host. >> But he's mostly talk like now we're

Euginatalking, but >> beforehand he was being telling people to be quiet. He's talking. It's fine. >> He's the host. >> Exactly. He runs it the way he can run it. And that's I'm not criticizing that. I'm just

Eugina>> imagine if he answered his own question. >> I was just pointing out that if everyone's perfectly happy with what how they're treated through their life, then that's up to them. I have my own point of view, you know? >> What do you mean?

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> So, do you think you have like a disqualif disqualification because you're a woman? Like, do you think you have a disadvantage because you're a woman? >> No, I don't think I have a disadvantage. I think when I talk I have less validity. When he talks he has more

Euginavalidity. He's the host. >> Yeah. In his studio. This is like a very specific example. >> Okay. What about outside of this? >> Outside of this example, right? In another context. In real life. Yes. In real life, when men speak, they have

Euginaauthority generally. When women speak, they have less they're questioned, >> etc., etc. In government, >> there's a lot. Why do you think >> and they're judged on the basis of the

Euginaway they dress and how they, you know, behave. >> I think we all joined your rights organization. if men would have sex with them or not. Men who are in politics aren't generally judged by that. >> In the police,

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> it sounds like a confidence issue because when I speak in public, I I don't think that I don't feel that way. >> I know. I feel like we're gendering a lot of things for no reason. >> Personally, >> I be judging every men gender things as well. It's a two-way street.

Kelly (Cars)>> We should just Yeah, I feel like it's just a people thing. We're like picking Yeah, obviously shitty, inconsistent people suck anywhere. You're like I feel like we're generalizing. I'm not I'm not saying the ill of all of all the world

Euginais men. I'm just saying placing all of the blame on women as the root c source of why you know late capitalism is failing isn't necessarily correct. >> I think being a feminist in the United

EuginaStates crazy >> I think there's a goal of saying that women are the cause the source of everything that's wrong with current society. >> Don't you think they said that and I disagree with this. I didn't go to

Euginacollege. Can you >> So did you uh just just question so much when Brian you said that >> that we're responsible for the way the courts are ruling against men. We're

Sinresponsible for this. We're responsible for that. Sure. If you do have to be blamed. >> If you want to be blamed for everything, that's up to you. >> Women do have advantages when it comes to courts and stuff. >> Sure. Because we have the children,

Euginaright? >> This is most likely >> dad, guys. Guys, one at a time. Please go. >> Listen, if you want to be if you want to be self-sacrificing, that's your decision. I'm not saying you can't do that. I just have a different point. >> I don't feel like I'm sacrificing

Elizabeth (4 Kids)anything either. >> I don't blame. >> I think to be a feminist in the United States is absolutely >> crazy. Go to another country and try to use your voice. Okay. Understand it. But like here, you have

Elizabeth (4 Kids)so many advantages. You >> Hold on. Hold on. I'm talking. You have every advantage a man has. You go to school. You can work the same jobs. You can do everything a man can do >> and I can have an opinion, right? >> I understand that. But you

Eugina>> I don't go I don't go wear [ __ ] hats. I don't go to demonstrations. I just have an opinion, right? I'm a human being with an opinion. I don't >> I'm confused on your opinion.

Eugina>> I explained what it is. I think women deserve more respect as we're half of the population. >> And what about the men? >> How do we get to count? >> Men are the ones who are doing much of the disrespect. >> I mean, I'd like to counter that a

Brian Atlaslittle bit. So, when it comes to, and this is a dating podcast, so I'll kind of try to relate a little bit to that. When it comes to [ __ ] shaming, they actually did an analysis of uh sort of derogatory words related to [ __ ] shaming, and they looked at Twitter, for

Brian Atlasexample, and they found most [ __ ] shaming was done by other women. >> They looked at who owned the account. >> Yeah, >> they can they know the gender who owns the account. >> I don't know the exact methodology of how they did it, but there was some sort

Brian Atlasof >> because generally people have anonymous Twitter accounts. >> Well, hold on. Would you question it if there was a finding with a study that said men are more likely to do x bad thing? Would you question women

Euginaparticipate in the structure of things, right? Women were part of the world, so we behave in the ways that we're taught to behave. So yeah, women part do the same that men do. I'm women [ __ ] shame other women.

Brian AtlasI'm not saying we don't do that. I'm responding to your claim about how it's the men who are doing the >> No, I'm trying to say that there is an agenda here, right? Or there isn't one.

Eugina>> What do you mean? >> Well, what is what is the mot what is the motive? What what is the goal of the show? >> What's the goal of the show? >> Yeah. Other than to talk about how she's a sovereign citizen for 30 minutes for

Brian Atlassome reason. >> Um, so >> yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the goal of the show I would say one, it's to have interesting and compelling conversations, talk about dating. >> So, that's what I'm doing. Yeah.

Eugina>> Yeah. Get modern, get input from >> But is there not Do you not have a point of view, though? >> Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. So, what is it? >> What do you mean? What's >> Who do you think is responsible for

Brian Atlaseveryone being dissatisfied with dating? It's women, right? >> No, I would say both men and women. >> Okay. to this. >> What's your point of view? >> Look, I'll be I'll be charitable and say

Brian Atlasthat to be clear, I think both men and women have issues as it relates to dating. Both men and women contribute to this problem. >> Yeah. >> I will be charitable and say that

Brian Atlasprobably most of my criticism is pointed more towards women than than it is towards men. >> Okay. >> So, do you want to go off that?

Eugina>> Well, is it easier to blame women? I don't get it. Why is it more our fault? >> Why is it not an Why is it not we're equally responsible? >> It's not my claim. >> You just said that women are more to

Brian Atlasblame. >> No, I said my criticism is more directed towards women. Doesn't necessarily mean >> that makes sense. You're a man, so you lean towards that. That actually makes sense. You're a man, you lean towards

Brian Atlasblaming women where women >> No, no. I'm not going to let you smuggle in something that I didn't say. So, I didn't say that. It could be the case, like for example, you would agree that

Brian Atlasit could be the case that actually men are more responsible, but my criticisms are still more directed towards women. Like that you would agree that I'm not saying that that's my position, but you would agree that that could be the case. >> Yes, I agree.

Eugina>> So, I'm not actually making the claim that women are more to blame. >> So, you don't believe that. So, >> that's not the claim I'm making currently. >> So, what is the claim you're making? >> I'm not even in the process. >> There is no there is no claim. Okay, then there's no claim. Well, why don't

Euginayou why don't you ask me a question and I can specify >> about dating? Who is responsible for dating being dissatisfactory for everybody? Men or women? >> Uh, both collectively.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, then we're in agreement. >> And perhaps there are certain things that women do where there's more representation in certain behaviors that women do >> versus men. >> Well, then it's both. Like I think simps are terrible for dating. Like men who

Brian Atlasare simps [ __ ] terrible for dating. So, it's the never ending war between the sexes, right? >> Consumers consumers of adult content, which is predominantly men. Uh, it's not it's maybe sort of dating related.

Brian AtlasThat's more society related. >> Uh, predominantly men. Really bad. You shouldn't be doing that. You shouldn't be following IG thoughts. You shouldn't be like doing all this [ __ ] Men should not be doing that. >> I agree. I I actually don't have an

Euginaopinion whether or not who's worse for dating men or women. I don't really that's not you know I think it's an equal thing. That's not really where my criticism is. So I'm in agreement with you.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Uh we have a super chat here from Lucas. Uh I'll I'll do I'll just do the first one. Yeah. Oh, my bad. So let me get this straight. You find the dolls objectionable because they sexually objectify women, but you see no issue

Brian Atlaswith the real life o workers who doubtlessly you believe do not sexually objectify women. Please indulge me and fit the square in that circle. Are you uh since you're a feminist, are you pro

Euginaor anti-s worker? >> I think women should do what they can to get through life the same as everybody else. >> Whatever you can do to get through life, do it >> right. But so there's there's two conflicting feminist theories on this.

EuginaThere's >> there's like the pro-work feminist and the anti-wwork feminist. Where do you land? I think it'd be better if it was on an even footing that there was as much uh

Euginamale pro uh can I say prostitution? >> As much male prostitution. >> Your argument is it'd be fine if everyone was doing it. Yeah. >> When's the last time you have you purchased a male prostitute? >> No, because they're not generally

Euginasomething that is available. >> I mean, they're less available, but you could probably find them. >> They're usually from men. >> What's your rate? How much you charge? Just kidding. >> Don't answer that. So you think everybody available? >> If he's selling If he's selling, I'm

Euginabuying. What? >> Everybody should be a sex worker. >> You think everybody should be a sex worker? No. >> I would have less of a problem with it if it wasn't exclusively a female field.

Eugina>> This is by the way, >> but the purchaser is other men. >> Nick, what's your for her? What's your rate? >> No. >> A mill. Hey, Nick. >> See, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

Eugina>> 10 mil. >> No, I can't sell my soul. How many bitcoins? >> See, this is You hear what he just said? I can't sell my soul. So why is it okay when women do it?

Brian Atlas>> No. Why is it more acceptable for women to sell their body than men to sell their you know what I would actually I actually think there would be less is

Euginathere less social stigma for like a male who's offering his services to a woman? >> That's not it's a theoretical. Most men are gay. They do gay prostitution. No, they do. Okay, sure. >> They're rent boys. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Most men are gay. >> I agree with you. >> Wait, what? Okay. >> Well, we have Lucas here with a followup. Can we also for once and for all dispense with this erroneous

Brian Atlas>> erroneous erroneous >> nonsense that Christians are prohibited from judgment that's patently ignorant. We are prohibited from condemnation.

Brian Atlasmaking. I actually don't know this. Salv salv >> salvific >> salvific >> salvific >> salvific claims. Oh my god, Luke is

Brian Atlastesting my the the outer limits of my English. English is a my second language, man. Make it easy for me. Uh righteous indignation and judgment is certainly appropriate. I

Elizabeth (4 Kids)think that's in response to you. Do you want to do a quick response to Lucas? >> I understand people judge. It's let me see. So when isn't it in the Bible? Thou shalt not like judge their

Elizabeth (4 Kids)neighbor or whatever. I don't know. Don't quote me on is that right? >> Judge not lest ye be judged or something in there. I don't know what that's I just as a Christian I what I grew up learning was you weren't

Brian Atlassupposed to like judge people. >> Well, you know what? Let's assume you're right. uh as somebody who's secular, Andrew has given me agency on his behalf to do all

Brian Atlasthe judgment for him. So I will the judgment will throw flow through me >> for the sake of this conversation. >> But you're not like super Christian, are you? >> Yeah, I'm agnostic.

Brian Atlas>> Everybody judges like I'm >> you know I'm I'm like Christianity is dope, you know? >> It's it's lit.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But I just look I I don't want to lie like cuz I don't want to say I'm a Christian but like to get brownie points

Brian Atlascuz what I mean isn't that one of the uh do not bear false witness, right? I I wouldn't want to lie and say claim I'm a Christian for brownie points.

Brian AtlasOnce I my faith and belief isn't there yet. So maybe when it's there then I'll say I'm a Christian, but I I don't want to claim something that's not true. Amen.

Kelly (Cars)>> But I'm very pro-Christian. I have very pro-Christian sentiments. Maybe one day. >> Maybe I might become a monk. Who knows? Okay. Anyways, >> getting stoned in glass houses, all

Brian Atlasthat. >> Um, so what were your I'm sorry. I was gone. You were saying something about shoes or something. >> I don't know. They all decided that I am

SPEAKER_03against them. >> Oh, it's okay. I'm not. >> It's okay. I mean, by the way, like, uh, >> I'm for them, which is why I'm critical of some things. >> I'm for you, too. I'm pro for women. I support women's rights and wrongs.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I don't feel like you're against me. I just don't agree with your views. I think it's >> We disagree. >> Yeah. >> I just wanted elaboration. >> Let's do a really quick shout out, guys. Uh, guys, like the video if you're

Brian Atlasenjoying the stream. $200 TTS, Reed is 100. Venmo, Cash App, whatever. Pod. Let me do some shout outs cuz you guys sent some in. Cody 6, thank for the 20. Uh,

Brian Atlasthank you, man. Appreciate it. That's Cash App. Curtis Johnson, 25. Oh, legal paternal surrender for one of the I'm starting a men's rights organization. I need I need some help,

Brian Atlasboys. We're going to We're going to do ad we're going to do uh litigate not litigation. We're going to do advocacy, but we're also going to do >> what's the word? Somebody help me.

Brian Atlas>> Uh >> activist litigation. So, we're going to do that. We're going to try to change laws. Legal paternal surrender. That's another one. You know, we're going to do we're going to circumcision banned.

Brian Atlas>> Increase their >> redo We're going to do some redo child support, redo alimony, redo child custody. >> Doesn't circumcision help men to keep penis clean >> if you're

Brian Atlas>> Why is that again? Why is that anti-men? >> Uh because you're gen You're mutilating the genitals of baby boys upon birth without a medical hygienic thing. Have you ever watched one? >> I mean,

Brian Atlas>> yeah, I've seen. >> So, so I mean, you do >> there's a reason why >> you do realize though that >> it's also a religious thing. >> Islam and Judaism, >> right? >> I don't I don't think that uh religious

Brian Atlasexemption should allow somebody to mutilate, >> but it helps keep the penis in better condition. >> Okay. So, even if I >> a lot of men don't wash their teeth. So, okay. Wow. Wow. That's a really sexist

Brian Atlasstatement because you do realize there are men who are uncut. >> Sexist fact. >> Well, no, but you realize, hold on. You realize that there are men who are uncut who have no problems with their hygiene.

Brian AtlasSo, this idea that men are so incapable of of Hold on. Men are so incapable of adhering to a certain standard of hygiene that we need to mutilate their genitals upon. >> You're saying men came up with

Euginacircumcision. So probably there was a reason behind it. I'm not saying it women didn't say, "Oh, we need to circumcise." >> Right? So a lot of things in the past were wrong. Currently, I think in modern, >> it wasn't the past. It was more recent in America. It was a medical

Euginaintervention. >> It's not medical. Insurance won't cover it because it's cosmetic. It is >> most men in America are circumcised for medical reason. >> It's 5050. >> It's not for medical reasons. Although there to be fairs

Brian Atlasand it cost $500. So there there are some but you this typically manifests itself in like >> it improves the appearance right aesthetically. >> Well uh is that subjective or can

Eugina>> No, that is subjective but I think the opinion is majorly in favor of aesthetically looking at a circumcised penis. >> Well, when the penis is erect it looks the same. >> Yeah, but not only that, it's

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> I'm saying circumcision is weird to take the point that that's anti-male cuz I think it's promale. I So you would agree if it was a woman cutting her up when she was first born, not her having a

Euginasay, it would for the same reasons for appearance and oh she would be cleaner. >> Well, there is no equivalent reasons. >> If there was >> if there was shorten there like they do circum they do cut the clitoris off in certain.

Eugina>> Do you agree with that? Of course not. Cuz it's a there's no actual reason for >> and there's no actual reason to do it to there's medical literature on why there's a reason. I want you to research that. >> I have. I've read about it. Yeah.

Brian AtlasLook, >> I I think that adult men can decide for themselves. So, >> okay, then you prefer the Islamic version of it. >> What? >> When they're when they're 13, they generally circumcise.

Eugina>> Well, no, it shouldn't be. Hold on. >> That's still a kid. They're still children. >> Wait, are you against? >> No, I'm saying you you're saying it should be a decision, right? >> Yeah, they can make a decision. They're

Euginaadults, >> like 18 and over. >> Fine. It hurts more, though. Okay. So, >> so they shouldn't be doing it at all. >> My daughter's yours until she asked me to. >> I'm saying I don't see how that's an anti-male circumcision being anti.

Brian Atlas>> Well, hold on. I don't know why you're framing it from it necessarily being anti >> improves generally. It improves. >> Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. I'll let you make your points. But >> yeah, >> this you're again I think you're unfairly framing this here. Circumcision

Brian Atlasin my view is something that negatively impacts men. Whether you consider that anti. >> Oh, sure. I mean there's plenty Nick in the uh discord you can go to um go to

Brian Atlasthe research sexual pleasure the research tab so that's right that's not under general it's the separate research tab it's the one below resources it's circumcision if you can pull that

Brian Atlas>> group researching it >> not the one in general >> no so go all the way down to the research tab then there's circumcision and then you're going to find a uh like an infographic that you can pull up.

Brian Atlas>> I haven't thought about this much at all. >> So, there's a whole bunch of reasons. I don't want to linger too long on the circumcision con conversation, but uh pull it up. >> W

Brian AtlasSo, I mean, there's a whole bunch of uh You got it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Can you uh window? >> I just got it.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. So, uh >> graphs. So partial total loss of penile body

Brian Atlas10% partial total loss of the foreskin that well that's going to be 100%. Uh 72% lose the frenulum. Uh little to no sha anyways you can read this penile

Euginait's there's a whole bunch of stuff there. Um >> in reality though in practice men generally don't have it's not a debilitating condition being circumcised. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Men go through life circumcised and they're fine, right? >> Yeah. So, to be charitable, I would say most circumcisions are uneventful. Like there's no complications. However, there

Brian Atlasare many men who do have complications. Although, I would then argue in terms of like >> those things I listed, there aren't those complications. Every single man

Brian Atlaswho is circumcised, there's like nerve endings in the uh the foreskin that are no longer there. It makes less conceivably, ostensibly less pleasurable. >> There's equal, you can bring up equal,

Elizabeth (4 Kids)you know, medical literature on how it prevents infection. That's it's fine, though. >> Just learn how to clean yourself. As a parent, you should be teaching your son how to clean yourself. And in reality, it is what it is.

Eugina>> Okay? This isn't like some third world thing here. People in >> I'm saying it's not inherently anti-male. >> It's not inherently. I think it's a helpful thing, right, for men to help

Euginahygiene. >> You so you think the pros outweigh the cons? >> Yeah, hygiene is important. You don't want infections and under the skin of the be hold on. You realize little boys are very

Brian Atlas>> You realize that somebody who who is uncut can observe perfect hygiene, >> but they don't in reality tend to, right? Little boys. >> Yeah. I don't think that's justification for mutilation. >> And that's where your parents come in and make sure.

Eugina>> Okay. Well, from the perspective of uh in this country there's religious uh rights, freedom, right? Uh there's the Jewish religion, there's the Islamic religion, and they have the right to do that. >> So, I don't care. >> But it's not like it's

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And I I >> you're positioning it as like a >> if I was a politician or I was able to change the law. I would make laws making this something that cannot be practiced. >> So, you would remove religious freedom. >> How would it I hold on

Brian Atlas>> because you're saying Jews can't circumcise their children? Let's assume, hold on. So, let's assume there was a religion. I'm not talking about Judaism, but let's say there was a religion that allowed like horrific crimes to be committed against children.

Eugina>> But it's not an it's a false equivalency. Let's I'm talking about reality. I'm talking about in the Jewish practice, they circumcise and it's >> So, okay. But if in modern day time, we

Brian Atlasview this as barbarism and we view this as a barbar. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And I think I don't know. Isn't it the Wait, hold on. Isn't it the case in

Brian Atlasdon't they like I could be wrong chat I don't want to like misspeak don't they like bite the foreskin off >> okay that's an only orthodox ultra ultra religious sex of

Brian Atlas>> you okay do you believe in the religious freedom for the rabbis or whatever to I don't know again I don't >> I don't I don't enjoy religious extremism I'm not >> okay but it's their religious freedom and their religious rights are you in

Euginafavor of them being able to like >> I think if something god So gross. >> I think if something crosses to the extreme end of it, it should be curtailed. Right. I'm saying in the >> Okay. But if there religious freedom,

Brian Atlasshould they be able to like chop off the foreskin with their mouth? >> Again, that's an extreme which I'm against. I feel like So then if we're able to limit some

Brian Atlasreligious uh traditions, then I think we can also limit other religious traditions. >> If they go to the point of being disgusting and extreme like that, we can limit them. I think mutilating a child's penis upon birth is disgusting.

Brian Atlas>> And >> hey, that's the >> but it's not even a religious thing. It's not just to be clear, it's not even a religious argument I'm making. Most circumcisions are just done in the hospital for no religious reason.

Pia>> Well, in the United Kingdom of Brian, that's illegal. It's fine. You have your own opinion. >> You can have your opinion. I think the issue that people have with the view is right if there was something that happened to girls that were the equivalent of that.

Euginathe clitorol. Cutting the >> clitoreral and you would be against that. >> You said >> because there's well that's just a practice of not wanting women to have a clitoris or choose. That's a religious practice. If you one then you're against the other.

Eugina>> That's a false equivalence. You can't even explain to me how it's a false equivalency. >> Female genital mutilation does not have any scientific proven benefit.

EuginaIt doesn't have any other reason other than wanting to >> curtail the ability to enjoy sex. >> It doesn't justify. It's not enough. >> If your kids dirty and going to get an infection, they can get infection regardless. They can get like

Eugina>> women get infections. >> Yeah. Women don't keep themselves clean if they're not clean. >> I'm sure if anyone goes online and just looks up the reason for the common use of circumcision in America, they'll find that I'm not making anything up. There's

Elizabeth (4 Kids)a >> It's not the only way we mutilate a baby. It's not the only way to stay. >> People want their sons circumcised mainly because it cosmetically looks right. >> Well, that has nothing to do with

Brian Atlashygiene. It has nothing to do with that. It does have things to do with Oh my god. I wish objectively in reality. >> Wait, is this the female? Is it Are you arguing for the female gays? Like because women like it's more

Euginaaesthetically pleasing. We should mutilate the genitals of >> saying it only has an aesthetic reason. And I'm saying it has a healthy >> if you Google it, if you research on it, it does not change. >> It's okay. I don't want to get stuck on this. I'm just saying it's not anti-male and I don't think women set it up as a

Brian Atlassystem. >> But your your argument fails because even if we go ahead and grant that I'm going to go ahead and grant for the sake of argument, it might absolutely be the case that through circumcision, yes, it

Brian Atlasit offers more opportunity to observe hygiene more easily, right? And it might even be the case like if you compare the same person cut versus uncut, they're just going to be more hygienic if

Brian Atlasthey're cut. I don't [ __ ] care. I don't care. It's not It's not worth the right It's not worth the potential risks of the procedure. It's not worth

Elizabeth (4 Kids)the potential future dissatisfaction of sexual pleasure. And it's just not like it's just a he has the right to believe it and to feel that way. What about the kids that are getting cut every single day that

Euginahave no rights to say anything? >> Children are born and immediately they get a bunch of vaccines they didn't agree to. They get a bunch of prescribed procedures they didn't agree to. When you're a little baby, you're immediately >> I mean as the as the parents, I think

Sinyou can >> they have a choice. The parents have a choice. Me personally, like I had my son like circumcised and when I saw it, I told myself I would never do it again if I had a son again. I had no idea it was even like that. Well, that's >> it was horrible.

Sin>> Okay. >> Horrible. >> And my son's very >> Is he okay now? >> Well, of course he's fine. He was a baby. >> Did he make it? >> But there's like there's difference like if you have skin or not. Like it's a hygiene thing. Like there's no medical reason for you to even circumcise your child.

Pia>> I mean, you're talking about infections. I can tell you that in my family, they don't do that [ __ ] They don't uh sniff. And there's never, as far as I know, never been any issue.

Brian Atlas>> No issues. No [ __ ] issues. >> I'm telling you. Also, also you see like all these other countries like I don't think they do this in Asia, right? I don't think they do it in a lot of

Brian AtlasEuropean countries. It's not like their men are just the men in these countries are just perpetually infected in the genital region because they're uncut. Sure, if there's a there again, I'm willing to grant that there might be

Brian Atlaslike a slightly elevated risk of certain infections or or you know, you know, hygiene or whatever. Um, not I don't think >> I don't think it's inherently a practice that's against men that is done because

Brian Atlaswe hate >> exclusively. Hold on. I didn't even necessarily >> I'm not even making >> that was my argument. I'm saying anti-male. >> I just think most people aren't aware of the counterarguments against circumcision. I don't think the mothers

Brian Atlaswho are opting to do this are like evil or malevolent and want to inflict pain onto their >> uh baby boys. >> Yeah. But it is something that negatively impacts men. So whether that's anti-male or not, I don't really

Euginacare. >> Imperceptable ways. Imperceptable. >> What do you mean imperceptible? >> Millions of men go through life with not a single ramification from being circumcised. >> And I'm about to make the counterargument. Millions of men go

Brian Atlasthrough life uncut and they're totally fine. >> That's accurate. >> Hello. Have you heard of Europe and Asia? >> No, I actually meant I thought you were going to say that >> chat. Maybe somebody in the chat can help me because they can tell me the statistics. Isn't it the case that the

Brian Atlasmajority of the world's population, the earth population, they they're uncut. They don't get circumcised. >> We're the highest country. >> I could be wrong. I I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're in the

Euginaminority. I could be wrong. >> It's different practices in different countries. I'm I'm saying it's just not inherently anti-male as a practice. It's not done to punish men. >> Okay, great. You're you're arguing with the phantom. I've repeatedly said that's not

Eugina>> That was my initial argument, though. That's all I was saying. I'm saying how is circumcision against men? >> You're saying like >> against men? >> Yeah. How is it anti how is it punishment? >> Anti is interesting framing. Does it

Julie (SPC)harm men? Yes. >> That was female genital mutilation. That's not harm against women. >> I just have no idea. It's literally the same thing. >> It's literally the same thing. You're right. >> You're right. No, you're absolutely

Julie (SPC)right in the sense that the literature out there will tell you that the the reason that we do this is because of cleanliness. However, and I'm I can't say anything more because it's TTS and so on and so forth, but I believe that

Julie (SPC)the uh we started doing this for more nefarious purposes. >> Um, and it's justified by saying uh it will keep your child clean. >> Well, I don't think anyone's required to

Julie (SPC)circumcise in this country. It's a personal parental decision. >> I didn't know any better when I had my son. I just thought this is what I'm supposed to do, so I did it. >> But there was no requirement. Now I know I'm curious for the women here who have

Brian Atlashad children when you're in the hospital. It's it's done like shortly after birth, right? Not at all. They ask >> Oh, you you you go back to the hospital decision. >> So they don't do it like >> Not that day. >> Not that day.

Brian Atlas>> You make an appointment and you within a few days you'll come back. >> Yeah. Within a few days you go to your your clinic doctor, not the hospital. >> Oh, okay. And then so but is it a specific appointment to get that done or

Brian Atlasis it like you're just going to your is it the OBGY who does that what doctor my OGBN did it >> he'll do it. So but is it is it

Sinsomething that's cuz I I mean after the birth you're going to the doctor for a whole bunch of things. Mhm. >> So, is it something that like it's just kind of >> you you would let them know like I had

Sinlet the doctor know what I wanted to do like as I was having my baby or even after he was born I had said I I want >> we got Vermillion tells me 70 to 80% of men worldwide are uncut

Brian Atlas>> uncircumcised >> w so it's a decision right it's not a requirement in this country to do it >> but if there's enough social social pressure >> and and and like a lot of a A lot of

Brian Atlasparents are going to look to the authority of a a doctor and they're going to be like, "Okay, >> we'll just do it. Whatever." >> Like my mom, >> they're not even going to question it. >> There's a lot of >> Well, the doctor is suggesting it because of the reason I stated.

Kelly (Cars)>> Well, think about this. >> Okay. Well, the doctor's also re like in the past couple years also suggested people do something and well, >> I was going to say for the most for the most part with doctors like unless it's an extreme situation, they're going to

Kelly (Cars)be like, "Okay, do this for a little bit and we'll see if it gets worse." like with the majority of illnesses. So that seems like an extreme situation to be like, "Oh, for cleanliness." Normally it's like, "Okay, you we would have to mutilate you if it's going to literally kill you."

Brian Atlas>> But that's all they say. They >> I have a question for you. I have a question for you. You say like the doctors are the ones. >> Well, yeah. They b doctors base their recommendation on medical. >> Do you think healthare is better in the

EuginaUnited States or in Europe? >> I think there's equal problems in Europe as there are here. >> Not everything is perfect everywhere. >> I don't know. top five European

Brian Atlascountries in terms of healthcare. >> I don't know what >> I Okay, I guess my question is because a lot of people would say like you probably have objections to the United States healthcare system, right?

Eugina>> I have objections to the Canadian one. I lived in Canada. It's not great. I've lived in the UK. It's not great. They there's equal problems in every country, >> right? But so what is what are the

EuginaEuropean doctors getting wrong on this topic? Well, it seems to be a difference of medical opinion in Europe and here. There they have also differences in opinion on other topics of medicine, not

Euginajust the circumcision. They don't like the food additives. You know, here we have certain things that are illegal there and they're there's certain things that are illegal here. >> You you would agree that these European doctors and medical professionals,

Brian Atlasthey're they're not quacks, are they? I'm not saying they're quacks, but I'm saying science has different uh there's arguments and science, >> right? But these doctors in Europe, these aren't third world countries.

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