4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

Date: 2025-07-14

Duration: 7h 57m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EElizabeth (4 Kids)>

AAmanda (Security)>

JJenna (Bartender)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Eugina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth (4 Kids)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Amanda (Security)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Pia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie (SPC)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kelly (Cars)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna (Bartender)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sin(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKelly reveals she just exited polycule with non-binary homeless comedian living in hearse

Key MomentElizabeth: 4 kids with 4 different fathers. Tubes tied.

Key MomentBrian announces men's rights nonprofit: child support, alimony, custody reform, banning circumcision

ControversyCircumcision debate: Brian vs Eugina

Key MomentEugina lost virginity at 31 to Black Muslim comedian from TBS show

Key MomentJulie: had sex within 5 minutes of meeting Vegas man, continued seeing him 5-6 times

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sin, Eugina (PhD feminist), Kelly (polycule exit), Elizabeth (4 kids 4 dads), Amanda, Jenna, Julie (SPC), Pia (electrician).

SPC/Sovereign Citizen Discussion

Julie explains secured party creditor status and ministry.

Elizabeth 4 Kids 4 Dads

Kids at ages 18, 21, 24, 26. Tubes tied.

Circumcision Debate

Brian: genital mutilation should be banned. Eugina: hygiene benefits.

Feminism Extended Debate

Brian vs Eugina: selective service, patriarchy, domestic violence stats.

Eugina Lost Virginity at 31

To Black Muslim comedian from TBS show, met on Hinge in Brooklyn.

Julie Vegas Story

Had sex within 5 minutes of meeting man in Vegas. Continued seeing him 5-6 times.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasshould be taking care of kids, not working. What are we talking about here? I was I was asking what's better for the children. >> Was did your mother work? >> Yeah, she did.

Brian Atlas>> Was it bad for you? >> I think it would have been honestly uh I love my mother, but I do think that it would have been uh perhaps a better

Brian Atlasdynamic had she not been working. >> Do you think she would have been happier not working? Well, I think there's a certain degree of

Brian Atlaswhen when there's propaganda that that tries to say you can't be happy unless you do X and people buy into those sort of narratives, then you could certainly make the case that if somebody doesn't

Brian Atlasdo what the propaganda says you should do, they'll be unhappy because of it. >> So, you would have been happier if your mother didn't have a career? >> Hold on. If there was I would I have been happier? >> Yes. As a kid, you would have been

Brian Atlashappier if your mother didn't go to work >> being around the person you love every day. >> Look, just to be clear, I had a I had a fantastic mom. I had a fantastic mom, >> but was she perhaps more stressed out

Euginabecause of her work? Uh, >> would she have been less stressed out in a country with less rights for her? >> Uh, what? I'm not sure precisely. >> That was the hypothetical. I'm not sure precisely what fallacy. I'm just saying

Brian Atlaswould you have rather your mother was in a country like Iran or here? >> Well, hold on. There's all kinds of determinations for like for example, you would agree

Brian Atlasthat there are certain countries that do certain things better. >> What does Iran do better in relation to women? Yeah, >> you're so [ __ ] bad, Faith. Holy [ __ ] >> I'm I'm I'm mimicking you.

Brian Atlas>> No, you're not mim you're not mimicking me at all. you would realize that there are certain countries that might do certain things better, but that in totality you would still want somebody to live in a specific country that like

Kelly (Cars)in totality that country is better, but perhaps like whatever. >> Okay. Would you have liked your mom to have less rights to do things? >> That wasn't your original question. It was it wasn't I changed the question. I changed the question.

Eugina>> The question would rather her be home or not? And then it's like someone who loves his mother, would you have wanted her to have less rights as a human being? at home or in Saudi Arabia is like not the question. >> Hold on.

Brian Atlas>> Women can have the women can have the choice. I'm fine with women having the choice. But if you're asking me about like what I think is perhaps better for society, I think it is better for

Euginasociety for women to perhaps put more of a priority towards family and children over career. >> Well, you know, I'm not necessarily arguing that. I'm just arguing women should have the choice to decide whether

Brian Atlasthey want to do that or the other thing. I've look you can you can look back to previous conversations. I've continuously stated, >> what's that? >> Watch. >> Sorry.

Brian Atlas>> I've continuously made statements about how I think it, for example, I think we should, and when I use this word, I mean it in the best light way possible of this word.

Brian Atlas>> I think that we should be exploiting women's genius and intellect to tackle things like, you know, we should have female researchers trying to tackle

Brian Atlascancer. I think we should be pushing as much people as possible towards fixing current problems in society and if that means having the intellect and genius of

Brian Atlaswomen tackling problems like cancer research or other illnesses I think that that's fantastic. >> Okay. So we have no disagreement then. >> Right. But when it comes but okay right

Brian Atlasbut I do think it is the case descriptively that I I do think children fare better when there's the mother in the household and they're not getting del the kids aren't getting sent to childare.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. I agree with that too. I'm just saying there needs to be the option. >> Yes. I'm fine with the choice. >> Okay. That's >> but but I think there's been what I guess what I'm trying to say is >> I'm fine with women who if if they want

Brian Atlasto work but I think there's been like too much propaganda in that direction. >> Listen, I'm not for every single thing that whatever current day modern

Euginafeminism is saying. I'm not pro every single point. I just have a certain elemental thing that we agree on that there should be the choice.

Brian Atlas>> Right? There should be a choice. But if we can pot

Euginalike postpone giving birth to children into their 30s and postponing starting a family. >> Well, there's a reason a lot of women postpone having kids. It's because

Euginathey're in long relationships with men generally who then do not want to marry them or have kids with them. and that ruins their 20s. That's a real thing. You can look that up, too.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, let's give some of the other panelists some opportunity here. I want to be fair, although now there's Pacy George is pissed off at you. >> Um, you [ __ ] godamn it.

Brian Atlas>> So, here, Pacy George, [ __ ] it, Brian. Just get chair 2 100 burritos already and move on. She is worse than Prisilla. >> And other bad faith idiots like her. >> Okay.

Brian AtlasExcuse me. >> Pasty George, by the way, is a Canadian First Nations tribe guy. Tribe guy. What the [ __ ] is that? I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> I'm sorry. >> All right. Around 2.2 million men were drafted in the Vietnam War, sent off to fight in a pointless conflict, and came home ridden with PTSD and other issues just to be greater greater by men and women, calling them murderers and

Brian Atlasspitting in their >> in their face. At least the ones who made it home. Yep. Oh, also I didn't I kind of want to move it on. You said when I when I brought up forced military

Brian Atlasconscription, you said, "Well, there hasn't been a draft in such a long time." I do want to quickly point out that the most recent draft, while it was a long time ago, was in Vietnam. And to his point, there would be a men who

Brian Atlaswould still be alive today had it not been for them being drafted in Vietnam. There are men who are currently dead today. Well, yeah, today. Well, they were dead. >> These men were currently dead cuz they were in the Pelponyian War. There's a

Euginalot of men a long time ago who died in a lot of wars, >> right? I don't know what the argument is. >> We're talking about recency. We're talking about >> It's not that recent. That's a pretty long time ago. >> Oh, okay. Cool. I love that. >> Cool. Slavery also happened a long time

Brian Atlasago. >> Lifetime. Have you been drafted? >> Let's engage with this. Slavery hasn't been There hasn't been slavery in a really, really long time. Should we

Brian Atlasdiscount uh black people's I guess uh grievances as it relates to slavery because it happened a really long time ago >> or it's almost like men made those >> Hold on. Let's let her answer.

Brian Atlas>> Sorry. >> If men didn't go to war, right? >> What would you be doing? >> Hold on. >> Okay. Your your argument is >> men sending other men to war. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Your argument is >> uh Vietnam war long time ago, so it doesn't matter. Okay. So, by your logic, slavery happens a long time ago, so it doesn't matter. >> You identify with black people who want

Euginareparations for slavery. You want reparations for the draft, right? Because it hasn't happened in your lifetime, but you want reparations for it. >> Wow, this is a great facious argument here. Why don't you answer my question? >> I'm making a joke.

Eugina>> Yeah. Sorry. >> Let me just answer the question. >> I don't know. You have a problem with the fact that in your lifetime there hasn't been a draft, but there was a draft >> in the 70s.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. Am I not allowed to to advocate? Hold on. So, by your logic, if a black person current day was not a slave, they can't have criticisms of slavery. >> Yes, they can have criticisms of

Brian Atlasslavery. >> Okay, great. So, I as a man can like advocate on behalf of other men who have historically experienced something bad. >> Do you want to abolish the military? What is your point? >> That's what I gathered from. >> Or do you just want women to equally be

Euginadrafted, >> which I again agree with you on? >> I'm not against it. Like I said, there's countries where it's equal. >> I'm just going to have to drop it to move on. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> All right. So, let's see here. Why don't we get into We're going to get in some other PE. You know what? Let's do this. All right. Ask everyone to really >> zip it here. Hold on. Let me press some

Brian Atlas[ __ ] That was [ __ ] misogynist. >> Shut your [ __ ] mouth. >> Wait, what? Oh my god, bro. This girl can't help herself. >> Misogynist alive and well to zip it. >> Wait, wait. How is it misogynist?

Brian Atlas>> First, we got to take off our shoes. That's disrespectful. >> A little bit. No, you don't. >> So, you think >> Wait, what if it's What if I'm being disrespectful to you for some other reason? >> You're engaging me in conversation and

Brian Atlasthen telling me to shut up, right? >> How would that be misogynistic? What if I Nick? Shut the [ __ ] up, you piece of [ __ ] Wow. Am I a misandress now? Because I just told a man to shut the [ __ ] up. >> You got a bunch of women here to tell

Euginathem to shut up, though, right? I don't see any men here on the panel. Invited you guys here to speak. >> Okay, then I'll be quiet and let them talk. >> Oh my gosh, >> bro. Holy [ __ ]

Brian AtlasSomebody >> again, we're in agreement on many things here. I don't know what we're arguing. There's some YouTube comments. >> It's not misogynistic to >> break it down. >> Tell someone to shut up. If I told you to shut up because you're a woman, that

Euginawould maybe >> I'm just telling you to shut up because you're talking a lot. >> I like being >> Did I What did I talk? I'm just responding to questions. I can shut up. Don't worry. >> I'll be quiet.

Brian Atlas>> Cuz you Bro, you >> you're you're you know what? You're You're not just interrupting me. You're interrupting the the other women, too. Okay, I'm done. >> I'm going to get you a gold plaque for your desk. This is number one

Brian Atlasmisogynist. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. Okay. Ask everyone to She's going to love this one. Watch. Watch all this. Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1

Brian Atlasto 10. You can't pick seven. From M1 Grand. All right. Starting with Wait, how you know what? Show of hands or anybody here a 10? Raise your hand.

EuginaOkay, [ __ ] it. Rate your own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. >> Uh, go six. >> Okay. >> Well, jokes's on them. I have very low

Kelly (Cars)self-esteem. Negative a thousand. >> Uh, well, within the >> one. >> Okay. >> Okay. Sure. >> If it's objective, right? And five's like generally good-looking. Okay. I'm like started off symmetrical, put on

Kelly (Cars)some weight. Like I do points, piercings, tattoos, people don't like. So, I realistically probably rated it at like a 4.2. Okay. >> I feel like uh eight. >> Eight. Okay. >> A five. >> Into the mic. Into the mic.

Brian Atlas>> A five. >> Okay. What about you? >> A six. >> What about you? >> Five. Five. >> Wow. What? All right. M this panel here. All right. There you go. Oh, I give myself a five. >> We're realists.

SPEAKER_03>> Yeah. Very. >> You don't you don't have any Well, you don't have many extremists here today. >> I mean, >> I said many. I said many. >> Yeah. Again, we're in agreement on everything. I don't know what we're arguing.

SPEAKER_03>> I love how the polycule and the four kids. We We've escaped the flack so far. Like, >> oh boy. >> Hello. I told you about my ex. >> I know. >> Okay. Uh, if chair 2 thinks it was a

Brian Atlaslong Hold on. >> You just told me to sit >> so it doesn't matter. Ask her what she thinks about Titus destruction of the second temple. >> Uh, can we can we not

Euginaask? >> That's my opinion. Can we not? That's what I think. Can we ask something else to some to somebody else? >> Wait. Oh my god. I could I thought of something even worse than that, bro. >> What?

Kelly (Cars)>> Uh I don't know if I should go there. >> Do it. Do it. No balls. >> Um >> do it. Do it.

Brian Atlas>> So this is this would be your logic. >> Okay. This is not a claim I'm making. Okay. You said that because >> Can anyone else answer for me?

Brian Atlas>> Stop. Can you stop interrupting? You're being rude. So, you said that my me bringing up force military conscription was not a valid concern when I'm trying

Brian Atlasto advocate on behalf of men because the last time men were conscripted in this country was in Vietnam. >> Something something happened during

Brian AtlasWorld War II. something really bad happened during World War II. If you were to say, "I am agrieved because of what happened

Brian Atlasduring World War II." And I said, "Well, it doesn't matter because it was a long time ago." Would you would

Brian Atlasyou consider that to be uh strong argumentation or would you find that deeply offensive? >> I didn't say it doesn't matter. Huh?

Brian Atlas>> I didn't say it doesn't matter. That's not what I said. >> You were trying to >> Can I explain what I said? I didn't diminish. Okay, explain it then. >> I said you're against the draft, right?

Brian Atlas>> I'm I'm against the draft. I'm against >> You're against service. >> Forced military conscription, which would be >> then get rid of it. Then let's fight to get rid of it. >> Otherwise, what are you

Eugina>> You're against a draft that doesn't exist, but you're against selective service. So, let's get rid of either let's get rid of the military. I don't know what you want. >> Wait, wait, wait, hold on. I'm a waitist.

Brian Atlas>> Dying is a bad thing, but I acknowledge that it is something that happens. So in this perspective, I don't think that it's it's ever going to be politically

Brian Atlastenable or possible to get rid of a draft because because nation states are not going to relinquish their right to call upon its citizenry to defend the

Brian Atlasnation in the event of a conflict. So this idea that well let's just get rid of it. It's literally not politically tenable to do it. >> So what do you want to change in reality about the selective service? So you want

Brian Atlaswomen to be also there. Yeah, >> I'm pointing it out as a instance in which men face some form of uh discrimination wouldn't be the right

Brian Atlasword but men face a disadvantage due to this and also in order for men to be allowed to vote they have to register with selective service. Women have no

Euginacorresponding duty or responsibility to the state. This is an inequality that exists between men and women. Okay. There have been women who wanted to be in the Marines and the military, the

Euginaarmy decided that women were not fit for certain positions in the mil. This is a decision. >> Oh no. >> This has been a decision by the United States armed forces. They prefer men on

Euginathe front line. This is not a decision that is women are involved in. >> Why would you want women in the front line? >> Why do you think >> like I'm saying it could be equal? It has been equal in certain places. I'm not arguing against the equality. standards to enter the military for

Kelly (Cars)women. >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a career girly. Like, I I love women in the workforce. I love equal opportunity. Do you think it would be a net good for our country to have a bunch of women, like an equal amount of women on the front lines? >> Just biologically,

SPEAKER_03>> there's already a lot of women in the military. >> Of course, in the military, but I'm saying specifically on the front lines. Like, if it was majority women, >> oh, hell no. >> Like, just >> majority, it would be half and half, right? >> Yeah. You think equal would put us at

SPEAKER_03just as good of a chances? Well, it's happened already. World War II, the Soviet Union, men and women were on the front line. >> Can we get a fact community? >> You can fact check that. Yeah, >> it was 50/50. Soviet army in World War

EuginaII. >> Yes, women were on the front line, but she is correct that there were some very few females that were front line. Sure. >> Yeah, of course. >> I'm saying it's happened. And if you notice, world the Soviet Union and the

Kelly (Cars)Allies were the victors of that war. >> But that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or shouldn't happen. Like I said, I support women's opportunity to be everywhere. I'm saying, do you think it would be a net positive? Do you think there's reasons

Euginathey might discriminate in that specific situation besides hating women? >> Women are weaker than men. Then why are they equally right currently in the war currently happening, right?

Kelly (Cars)>> But you just said that >> in Israel, men and women equally, they might discriminate against them because >> in the in the military, >> that has nothing to do with what I said. You said that they might discriminate against them because they're are women and they might not deem them worthy of being on the front lines.

SPEAKER_03>> There are certain countries like this one that would prefer women are not on the front lines. That's a decision made by our military. >> And I just said, do you think there might be a reason that's >> the case? That's not women are

Euginabiologically inferior to it's >> but you're saying that's >> women are badass but men are stronger than women. So >> yeah, I don't that's an example. Hey, he's arguing against the selective

Euginaservice. Actually, no. You're arguing that it prejudices for men. Well, then let's equally cons I mean, you know, it's I don't know how to keep arguing this. >> I guess I see your point. She's saying

Piayes, she's she's agreeing that women are are physically inferior to men. So, she's kind of like, well, what do you want me to do about it? I mean, >> you're using that as an example of how like misogyny is still like upheld that like women might be discriminated against and getting accepted to the

Piafront lines. And I was just saying there might be a specific reason for that discrimination. >> Well, is that is that what you're saying? Do you feel like women are being discriminated? I don't think I don't know. Is that what you're saying? I don't think so. >> I might. >> I'm saying from what I understand of

Euginawhat the United States military decided, they decided that women shouldn't be on the same front line as men. At least in terms of a certain groups. I don't It's a I think it was Marines or something or

Euginaone of the I don't know specifically. >> That's not misogyny. That's just like [ __ ] >> I'm not there's biological I'm I'm trying to agree with him. He has a problem with the selective service. I'm

Brian Atlassaying do it equally then that's >> right. But you would have to agree that currently as the rule as it stands this is an inequality that exists between men and women.

Eugina>> But the reason for it is what? >> Who cares what the reason is? >> It's important the reason cuz the cuz the reason was we don't think women can be in the military, right? Isn't that the reason for that? What other reason is there?

Brian Atlas>> Let's assume that that's the reason. Does the inequality still exist? Yes or no?

Eugina>> Okay. Are you Are you okay with inequality? I'm just >> Men decided women are biologically inferior. So they >> decided it. It's objectively true. >> Okay. So why are you arguing against the decision that was made?

Pia>> Oh my god. >> You you you don't want women in the select. Do you do you want I think he just wants you to acknowledge the inequality I think is what he's trying to get at. He's just trying to get you to acknowledge the inequality. Do you acknowledge the inbody?

Eugina>> So while it might be a reality while while it might be a reality we're saying >> I don't get it. It's it's like a Uro it's in on itself. It's like we don't want women cuz they're biologically inferior. But it's also fair that women

Piaare in the selective. >> That's how she feels. She don't want to acknowledge it. There it is. What are we going to do? You can't argue with that. You want to move on? No. >> I do. I desperately want to move on. >> You just brush over all of this guy. But

Piayeah, I mean I'm a >> like >> you're not going to get any. I mean, what do you you know, you're not going to >> you just got to engage with it. >> It's a catch 22 is what I'm saying.

Brian Atlas>> But again, you always go to the but who set that system up? Blah blah blah. Most men were not sitting at the table when these systems were built. So, you're

Brian Atlaskind of trying to blame an entire gender for decisions made by elites, and it's kind of lazy thinking. >> The majority of people everywhere had no say in anything. But yes, the elites are

Brian Atlaspredominantly male though, right? >> Right. But do you think it's more to do with the fact that they're men or the fact that they're elites? >> It's uh

Euginaif you were making the decision, right? If you were making this decision, who do I draft? But it's not. >> What decision would you make as a man who's against the draft? You're saying there needs to be a draft. Do you want

Brian Atlasto draft women or not? >> That Okay, that gets away from the actual argument that's being made. If it is the case that it's unfair to send men

Brian Atlasto war and men suffer in war, then it would seem to me that this would be some sort of inequality that exists between men and women just because you're you're making you're trying to create some pacifist

Brian Atlas>> justification. >> You're a pacifist. You don't want wars cuz men suffer in them. >> I'm a realist. War happens to be some sort of inevitability. >> Okay. >> So, >> and who do you want fighting them? Men

Brian Atlasor women? Oh my god, bro. >> I don't know what you're upset about. I'm saying women should be equally drafted. >> So, descriptively, it is the case that I think men are better soldiers. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> However, in order to field one soldier, you need like 10 other people in some capacity in the military to support that one person who's on the front line.

Brian AtlasWomen can absolutely be occupy these pencil pusher positions in the military. They can be chefs. They can be cooks. They can be in some sort of support role, but women are completely barred.

Brian AtlasEven vol women who volunteer in the military are not like frontline soldiers. So women can have women can contribute to the war effort. >> Like you're just not going to be

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And they have >> Okay. Sure. >> Okay. Yeah. >> But so we can force women to become soldiers. that would there would still be an inequality because men are going

Brian Atlasto overwhelmingly be the ones who face most of the suffering through combat, through death, through injury. >> But at the least the least we could do is say, you know what, if men are subject to force military conscription,

Brian Atlasso too should women. >> That's what I'm saying. >> That would at least be a little bit better or at least a step closer to equality than the current system where only men are subject to military conscription.

EuginaYou've heard when I said that I agree that women should also be conscripted, right? >> But they're not. So, it's >> Am I in charge of that though?

Eugina>> Like, they're not. Why >> am I in charge of the current system? >> They're not. For the reasons you stated, right, for the reasons that you believe that women are inferior, that's why

Euginaright here. >> Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. >> The reason women are not is for the reasons you just listed, right? He wouldn't personally want women other than in a support role in the military. Correct. That's what you just said. >> Sure, I'll grant that.

Eugina>> Okay. Well, >> still be an injustice. >> The men making >> against who? Men or women? That women are not on the front line. >> Men put women on the front line. What are we talking about here?

Brian Atlas>> He was >> Well, there there's a certain Okay, there's a certain like Okay. Um I'm trying to think of an example here. If you if you operate at a prison and the

Brian Atlasgoal is to keep uh violent people inside this prison and you're going to have to use force, do you would you prefer that it's made

Euginaup of men or women, the the uh the corrections officers? >> Men are better being unintentionally uh

Euginawantingly cruel. The Stanford prison experiment, right? That was men in that experiment. >> What does that have? >> That was prison guards. The Stanford prison experiment. >> Yes, I'm familiar with that. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. What does that have to do with actual correctional officers? >> By the way, that that wasn't it like deemed as extremely unethical. >> That doesn't change what happened in it. >> Okay. But like Elizabeth Holmes was a

SPEAKER_03scammer. All women should take responsibility for being scammers. >> I agree with you that I think men should be prison guards because they're better at it probably. Okay. So, does that make you the sexist?

Eugina>> I'm agreeing with you. >> Okay. So, then pragmatically speaking, if we want >> gosh >> the best soldiers. >> Yes. And why are you complaining? You want the best soldiers? Why do you want

Euginawomen in the selective service then? I'm confused. Either it's a either it's inequality or it's or it's >> Make up your mind. Either it's

Euginainequality that women aren't drafted or women shouldn't be drafted. I I'm so confused. You want both things at the same time.

Brian Atlas>> It's Oh my god, you're not making really any sense here. So, um >> I'll open it up to the I don't know if

Brian Atlasthe chat wants to uh make any arguments.

Kelly (Cars)>> This is not a political show. reminder.

Pia>> Well, we can always go. >> Brian, I agree with you. >> I'm kind of lost, too. I thought the point was cuz you were trying to get her to to make the claim that yes, it's it's inequality, but if that's not the point, then I don't really know what you're getting at either. Maybe I'm slow here, man. But, uh,

Pia>> we're kind of going we're going like this. Um, she's saying she agrees with you because women are not as strong as men. So, >> is the issue her not claiming the inequality? Is that the problem? I don't think we're >> with your the conflict with your view.

Brian Atlas>> I think our >> it's a it's a bit of a red herring because it's a distraction technique to point to okay who set the system up? Men set the system up blah blah blah. If essentially she's trying to say because

Brian Atlasmen set the system up, men are not allowed to make any sort of valid claims of grievance as it relates to forced military conscription. Pragmatically, realistically,

Brian Atlasdescriptively speaking, it is the case that we we oftentimes do have to force people to fight in wars so that we can defend the nation. I'm acknowledging that. I can I don't think these two

Brian Atlasthings are mutually exclusive. I can also say that it is it is an injustice to force people into war and that these men who are forced into war will suffer.

Brian AtlasThese things can are are all can all be true at the same time. Do you want women to be drafted or not? It was pretty simple. >> And the answer is yes. >> Okay, then I'm in agreement with you.

Brian Atlas>> We've reached a conclusion to this argument. >> Oh my god. But no, that wasn't the original. Oh my god. I'm just [ __ ] moving it on. God damn, bro. >> Yeah, let's do it.

Eugina>> Saying it's unfair to men. I agree with you. >> You're saying it's unfair and I agree with you. I don't understand why we're arguing about it.

Brian Atlas>> All right, I'm moving at this. I'm moving it on. Okay. Uh, so the question was rating everybody's attractiveness, blah blah blah. Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time >> than today? No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. You're 39. Were you better looking at 29 versus now at 39? >> Yes. I had I gained weight. So, better looking at 29 and then better

Brian Atlaslooking at 19 versus now. >> Better at 29. >> Okay. Better at 29 than 19. >> Yes. >> Okay. You're 34. Were you are you going to be better looking in 10 years time at

Eugina44? >> Into the mic. >> Can't say anything. >> Um, I don't know. It depends. I can't tell the future, but if I lose weight, maybe.

EuginaYeah, I could look better. >> How about you stay the same weight? I stay the same weight. I don't know, dude, how I'm going to age. I'm probably worse if I don't lose weight.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And then were you better looking 10 years ago at 24?

Brian Atlas>> I probably was. Yeah. But I didn't appreciate how I looked then. >> Okay. Uh, you're 23, better looking in 10 years time at 33. >> Uh, no. It'll be hotter if global warming keeps going, but not better. No. >> Okay. You're 27. Better looking in 10

Brian Atlasyears time at 37. >> Hell no. >> I'm you. >> Oh, one more time. I'm sorry. >> What? >> I thought you were still talking to her. >> Same question.

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> Same question directed at you, though. >> Okay. I think Can you repeat it, please? >> 27 to 37. Do you look better? >> Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 37? >> Uh, no. >> Okay. Were you better looking at 18 or

Brian Atlasbetter looking now at 27? >> Um, 27. >> Okay. Okay, you're 34. Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 44? >> No. >> Can you guys [ __ ] talk into the mic, please? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Were you better looking at 24 or better looking now at 34? >> Yes, I was better looking at 24. >> Okay. You're 31 better looking in 10 years time 41? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, were you better looking at 21

Brian Atlasversus now at 31? >> No. >> So, better looking now? >> Yeah. >> Okay. You're 45, better looking in 10 years time, 55? No. >> Were you better looking at 35 versus now?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Better looking 25 versus now? >> Yes. >> 35. 25. Which one better looking?

Julie (SPC)>> I might pick 35. But if I go based on um attention 25. >> I hope I age that well. >> Okay. You're 27. Better looking in 10 years time. 37. >> No. >> Uh better looking at 18 or better

Brian Atlaslooking now? I would say now just because I like lost weight and skin and stuff like that. >> All right. Uh Nick, we have we have the AI we've AI aged advanced all of you.

Kelly (Cars)>> Beautiful. >> Let's go ahead and do it. >> Uh >> white people have it rough. You always say it's true. >> All right. Go ahead. Oh, you hide. Put us in.

Kelly (Cars)>> Damn. >> This thing is so rude. It's like the worst skinare routine. Oh, >> are you going to look better in 10 years? You start smoking a pack of D. >> Hell no. >> I know. Hang on. >> Yeah, that's good.

Pia>> Those ears hit quick, too. >> Uh, okay. All right. Uh, next. >> Oh my god. It like shrinks your face in >> 10 years. I don't know about

Kelly (Cars)her. >> Okay, next. >> Oh god. >> God does no justice. >> Yeah. I might >> next. >> Live fast young.

Kelly (Cars)>> Like godamn. >> Next,

Brian Atlas>> dude. >> Okay. All right. Next. >> That is so not fair.

Kelly (Cars)>> There's a mill. >> Yeah. Next,

Kelly (Cars)>> dude. No. If you made it this far looking that good, I don't think you're going to age like that. >> Is this supposed to be 10 in 20 years? I am curious. >> I know. >> No, not really. Next. >> Okay. >> So funny.

Kelly (Cars)>> Oh. >> Oh [ __ ] Okay. All right. Next. >> Yikes. Okay. Next. >> Okay. Granny got swags. >> What the [ __ ] Okay. >> She's at the MAGA rally. >> To the doll, man. Come on. >> What the [ __ ] >> Oh my god.

Brian Atlas>> Can we see you? >> There it is. >> There you go. Okay. >> Okay. Without the beard. >> Your hair just went green screen. >> Hold on. That picture's older now. >> Quality. Good. >> [ __ ] Took an old ass photo. >> Yeah, man. >> Do we do gender, too?

Brian Atlas>> You saw a twinkle in your eye. >> All right. Let's do gender. All right. So, what we've done here is we have swapped your gender. So, the question is, would you date the male version of you? >> Damn. >> The [ __ ]

Pia>> No. Genghaskhan over there. >> Genghaskhan. >> Mexican Genghask Khan. >> That is [ __ ] hilarious, >> dude. The [ __ ] is Genghaskhan? >> You don't know Genghaskhan. >> Mongolian griller.

Kelly (Cars)>> Super spreader. >> Yeah, you should read into it. >> Apple bunch of lands. You should check him out. >> Uh, would you date the male version of you? Like, >> yes. >> You got it. >> He's a little >> He's got good brows. Not going to lie.

Brian Atlas>> Give me the bigger one. >> No. No. All right. Nope. Next. >> That looks like my dad.

Brian Atlas>> Into the mic, please. Would you date the male version of you? >> No. For edible reasons. No. >> All right. Next. >> Oh, [ __ ] No. Dude, I look autistic.

Kelly (Cars)>> Oh, they did you dirty on this? >> I look autistic. >> I mean, >> I look like that one. I mean, don't you also look that way in the beginning photo, too? >> Got me. Do I look like that one friend in Disney Channel?

Brian Atlas>> Okay, next >> stuff. >> Absolutely not. >> Would you would you date the male version of you? >> No. >> Okay. >> You look scary. >> All right. >> Next.

Amanda (Security)>> No. >> You look like a Disney Channel star. >> You wouldn't date. >> You wouldn't date the male version of you. >> I would. You look like a good man. He looks like he looks like 13 14, but

Kelly (Cars)he is he is good looking. >> The the the the third one. >> The third one. >> The brother from Malcolm in the Middle. >> It's like a 30-year-old right there. [ __ ] All right, that's a no from her.

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] up. >> Uh, next. Would you date the male version of you? >> Probably not. >> No. >> No. >> Why? What's wrong with him? He's not

Kelly (Cars)your type. >> No. >> What's your type? >> I feel like all these guys look a little funny. >> I think Yeah. >> No, you wouldn't date him. He's a handsome guy.

Jenna (Bartender)>> They all just look like >> What's wrong with him? >> I don't know. I thought everyone else's looked good though. >> He's too feminine. >> You think yours look >> Thank you. >> I don't know. Maybe it's a weird thing about like being me.

Kelly (Cars)>> This might be the best one. >> I know. I think Dapper is the best one. >> I think you look dapper. >> All right, next. >> They're only getting progressively better as we go down. >> Oh, yikes. >> You look like that one guy from Star Wars. >> He's actually cute.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, that's a bit off. >> You look like a bit off the >> First off, they changed your race. >> I know. >> Like you're you're white, right? >> White and Mexican. >> Oh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> So, they just picked one. They just picked to show the other side. >> All right. Wait, do you have a brother? Does he look like that at all? >> No, I do have a brother, but he does not look like that. >> Blue eyes. He got blue eyes or

Kelly (Cars)>> he's like blue gray eyes. >> Okay. All right. Next. >> Oh. >> Yo, you look like you are on Jersey Shore now. >> I mean, I kind of look like my brother a little bit. I probably I might date that

Piaguy. >> I might date that guy. >> You date him? >> Don't write a cute model. >> Yours is the best one. First of all,

Pialike, do I like the guy? Like, looks are kind of secondary to a lot of things, I think. >> Yeah, you're right on that. >> All right, guys. Uh, if you're liking

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Brian Atlastab, guys, last show we had a feminist rage quit. Felicity gave her the smackdown. Not physically, but verbally. >> Was it the shoes?

Brian Atlas>> She was very Felicity was very nonchalant. She was like, I'm going to leave. And Felicity was like, all right, get the [ __ ] out, [ __ ] No, she didn't say that. But that was her that was her subconscious attitude.

Brian Atlas>> Moged. Yeah, Felicity mogged the [ __ ] out of this chick. She's like, I'm gonna I don't feel right doing this. And Felicity is like, "All right, [ __ ] >> Bye." >> She didn't say that. Just kidding. She's She's just like, "Okay, cool, bro." All

Brian Atlasright, check it out. discord.gg/what whatever. Join the community if you're my Caucasian. You will join it. Appreciate it, guys. Okay, let's get into the show notes here. Who can I rope

Brian Atlasin here? I want to try to include everybody. So, why don't we get to Who is Let's see. Sin Uh, you said you haven't been single long, 5 months. You were married to a

Brian Atlasman for about 7 to 8 years. You had two kids, separated. Then you met a man, got into a relationship with him. You ended up being in a dominant submissive relationship, including a TPE, total power exchange. >> So, that's like you're getting into BDSM

Brian Atlasterritory then. >> Yes. >> Okay. Was it just the the um the D part of that or >> also the SM and B? What do you mean? Like

Sin>> Well, BDSM, bondage, domination, sadism, masochism. >> Yeah. Totally. >> Okay. You were doing Okay. Oh, right. There's levels to everything. >> Okay. So, you were doing bondage stuff cuz you said you were collared as well.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> And you were doing impact play, I assume, on you, not on him. Okay. >> Uh you have having a you had a contract, a BDSM contract. >> Yes. >> And then you found out he was married

Brian Atlasthe entire time. >> Yes. He's also a celebrity's bodyguard as well. >> Mhm. >> He's a armed guard. He was >> Yeah.

Sin>> Can I ask which celebrity? >> They're very popular. Just a couple. No, pop type. >> Oh, okay. >> So, very popular. >> You wanted to talk about domestic

Sindiscipline or BDSM relationships. >> Well, if it came up. >> Oh, okay. >> What is uh TPE? Total power exchange. What's that? It's pretty much like I don't have to think or do anything

Sinbecause it's being done for me in a way. >> That's just normal sex. >> But there's certain things. >> Were you ever in a cage? >> No. >> Never kept in a cage. >> It was a thought like was spoken about. >> I need food.

Brian Atlas>> You need a snack. >> It was It was talked about. >> Worked up. >> Not yourself when you're hungry. >> It never happened. >> The [ __ ] Snickers or something. >> Snickers. Uh >> did you have a milking table? I'm going to send I should send Felicity on a run.

Brian AtlasYou down, Felicity? >> Sure. >> All right. Um I'll get that arranged in a in a moment. Uh let's see here. Uh okay. So, do you want to share some details of your TPE total power exchange

Sinrelationship? >> Well, it was pretty much like I don't think anything that I did was out of the ordinary. Like I was very submissive. Like you know I did things

Sinlike you know everything. Breakfast in bed. I rubbed his feet. Like I waited for him when he came at the door. Take his boots off. You know things like that. >> You took his shoes off for >> I can get Yeah, that's cool. >> Yeah. I was kneeling as he came in the

Sindoor. >> Kneeling? >> Yes. >> Was there a uniform or something? >> Nope. No. Didn't matter what I was wearing. Then as he came, you know, I took his shoes off and, >> you know, [ __ ] >> just reinforcing the patriarchy. I'm not

Sinjust kidding. >> Did you wear an actual collar or was it more like a necklace? >> It was like either >> That's a bare minimum though, >> you know. But then he he did get me a day color, you know, for work and stuff. >> Okay. >> It was very discreet with a little circle on it

Julie (SPC)>> and and so is that what you wore when your kids when your kids see you or >> Mhm. My kids didn't know anything about it. We kept everything like completely private from my kids.

Brian AtlasYeah. So, >> impact play. What does that mean? >> Well, it just depends like you know spanking. >> Okay. >> Could be like um >> is that kind of vanilla though? Like even vanilla people do like spank.

Sin>> Well, it just depends the level. >> Are you talking like with a paddle or something? >> That too. Yes. Okay. >> That's just the like beginning like the spanking with the hand. >> You know like >> I feel even like >> leave imprints and choking is vanilla territory now at this point. It

Sin>> it depends the level of the choking >> like some [ __ ] you know, >> regular chick. It's >> a part of you. >> I Okay, so let's see what I what I done. I tried like, you know, the paddle, the

Sinthe foggger. Those are like minor. I did use a a what does it call it? Like a riding crop >> for the horses. You hit them like >> Oh. Oh, she knows about it. >> I mean, I used to ride horses, but

Sin>> she >> things like that. Try different types. >> Did you use it on your ex-boyfriends? >> Yeah. Beat the [ __ ] out of them. >> What the [ __ ] God damn. >> Poor guy. >> These electricians, man. They go hard in the paint. >> It was fun. I enjoyed every every everything, you know. >> All right. >> Can't complain.

Sin>> All right. >> What happened? >> It was like being a wife. >> What happened when you found out he was married? >> Married? It destroyed me. I was like, "Oh my gosh, >> was he living with you and stuff or no?" >> Pretty much. He was always That's why I

Sincouldn't understand. He was always at my house. We were always on the phone. Like, it's so crazy. >> You know, like everything was being taken care of in my house. I had no >> Wait, who here's Latino? >> Latino. Are you

Elizabeth (4 Kids)>> No, >> you're Latino a little bit. You're not Latina. Latino. Latino. >> No. >> Really? >> I found >> Cuz you look You're like a white girl Latino. >> No, I found out recently I was I'm actually like half Arabic, which I

Elizabeth (4 Kids)didn't know. >> Oh, okay. >> I was Never mind. >> Well, there are certain things I do regret. You know, >> regret. Was he around your kids? >> Huh? >> Was he around your kids?

Sin>> Yeah, I went ice skating. Everything was normal. Like everything was so normal. Like, you know, like ice skating. >> For the Latino women here, would you

Brian Atlasfind it offensive if a white guy was saying some like like he was culturally appropriating.

Kelly (Cars)Like for example, he was like talking like he was Mexican.

Brian Atlas>> He was acting He was he was coplaying. He was laring as like a uh a >> like how about this? Let me let me demonstrate. He would be like

SPEAKER_01>> hey that's my essay over there dog. Like would that be? >> Who really talks like that though? >> Come on bro. We live in southern Malibu's most wanted. The answer is yes. That would be offensive. >> Don't mess with my homie essay.

Julie (SPC)>> That would be offensive. But learning to speak Spanish and like >> like if a guy did that I'm not >> like purposely like hey what's the way of course like would you be a like you're Mexican >> first of all I identify more so with

Julie (SPC)white culture but if somebody spoke like that like I would just be laughing I couldn't >> Yeah of course if you started doing that [ __ ] I I would never

Sindo that except on this podcast right now. Of course. In in a hypothetical, >> I think what made me happy is when like when I got hurt, everybody was going to get hurt, too. >> So, everybody found out. >> Do you guys speak Spanish? You speak Spanish? >> You speak Spanish?

Sin>> No, >> I know a little bit about >> speak, right? You know, >> is it offensive to call call a woman an abolita? >> Why? That's grandma.

Sin>> Well, I don't want to be called grandma. >> And I call her an abolita and she doesn't have kids. Is that offensive? >> Well, why would you call her a grandma if you don't feel that she looked like a grandma?

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] Okay. Anyways, >> that answers your question. Maybe she >> We got Jenna here. Jenna's notes. Jenna has a horror story about when she went

Brian Atlason a one date with a guy and had to get a restraining order after a year and a half of no contact because he ended up being a nut job. >> Yeah. So, okay.

Jenna (Bartender)>> Oh, okay. >> I went I did go on one date with this guy and then it ended and at the end of the date when we were parting ways, I said, you know, thank you for

Jenna (Bartender)everything. I don't think this is going to work. We're good. Um, and then everything was good. I didn't hear from the guy for a year and a half until I got into a relationship and then he started

Jenna (Bartender)stalking me. So, this is a year and a half after our first date. Wait, so you had heard nothing from him? >> Nothing from him? >> What?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it was bizarre. This guy is uh >> So, wait, you went on one date and >> like you didn't talk at all? >> Yeah. >> Like, was he trying to go on a second date or just >> um He had he had asked me on another

Jenna (Bartender)date >> and you said no. >> And I said no. >> And that was the end of it. >> That was the end of it. And then a year and a half later, >> a year and a half later, he saw me at breakfast with my boyfriend and like

Jenna (Bartender)lost it. >> What? Like he did he come up to y'all or >> No, he didn't come up to us. He started blowing my phone up and then he was driving by my house and then um posting about me on

Jenna (Bartender)>> What was he saying? What was he saying >> in his text messages or on social media or >> when he was contacting you or whatever?

Jenna (Bartender)um just telling me that I was garbage, that um I was dating a beta male, that I was

Brian Atlas>> beta. >> I don't know. It was It was >> He said everything under the sun. He called me every name. He did >> Did was there any explanation offered or like what do you think was the reason?

Brian AtlasCuz this is strange. Like you went on the date with him. It wasn't a match or whatever, but you didn't hear from the guy for a year and a half. He sees you in person, then he loses his mind. >> Yeah, >> that's weird.

Brian Atlas>> He's He's unstable. >> But did you say like is there some component of like does he think you lied to him or I'm not justifying I'm just trying to understand like what he thinks

Jenna (Bartender)is what he's doing is crazy, but like what does he think that >> you did wrong? I guess I don't know. >> In his head, I was his girlfriend. And >> for the year and a half you weren't dating. >> Yeah. No, absolutely. I'm telling you,

Jenna (Bartender)this guy was [ __ ] insane. >> The [ __ ] Yeah. God damn. >> He's like, "Oh, yeah. My girlfriend. I lost you." >> Oh, no. He started So, my mom is a bartender and he started going into my

Jenna (Bartender)mom's work, talking to my mother about his girlfriend and in reference to me. >> Mhm. And uh

Jenna (Bartender)finally when my mom kind of it took us a while to kind of piece together that that was who was going into her work. Um but you know she lost it on him. She's

Jenna (Bartender)like are you talking about my daughter? And he's like yeah Kelly I am. And so he like knew the whole family. He was it was it was >> it was weird.

Jenna (Bartender)>> Was he giving you money or anything or >> No. when I I mean it it took a while for me to actually get the restraining order. I had to go to court a few times. It was a freaking nightmare. It was all

Jenna (Bartender)spending all day at the courthouse. >> And um had to get filed as a DV restraining order because we did go on a date together. >> Um >> damn. >> But that was the that that was the

Jenna (Bartender)conversation between us and everyone. It was like >> crazy [ __ ] out there, man. >> Yeah. >> Crazy. >> What what more was going on? And it's that that was all that had happened. And I had text messages to prove it. And >> yeah,

Brian Atlas>> that's [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, it was it was an experience. >> You said you've been labeled as a pick me girl. Why is that? >> Oh, I've been called that just because I come to men's defense.

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] I was arguing with this family. I was waiting for the defense. What the defense? Godamn. >> The most oppressed group in society. So true. >> That was a That would have been a little difficult to jump in on. There was >> You got it. >> Yeah. No,

Brian Atlas>> you got it. >> That was good. >> Uh, okay.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh, going to Pia. Did I say your name right? >> You got it. >> How do you say your or I don't know if you want to. You don't have to share your last name. >> I'll say it. Anuniata. >> Anun. >> An Pia. Giovana. Anuniata. Baby.

Pia>> Yeah. Nice. >> That's what it is. >> You're Italian. >> My father's name is Po. >> Hey. >> Like a probation officer. No, Padre Pio. He's a saint, I guess. P. Okay. Pio, you

Brian Atlasknow. >> Oh, I see. Okay. Uh, you said you Okay. So, you're an electrician. You own your own electrical contracting business. How long you been doing that? >> Electrician in general. Um, coming up on 10 years.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And you and did you like it was your family in the business or >> No. Okay. >> No. No. I need a job. >> You say ironically you definitely believe in more traditional values. Uh, you moved out of your parents when you

Brian Atlaswere 17. You moved in with your boyfriend at the time who happened to be your father's age. >> Yeah, he was. Yeah. >> You've ridden Harley's ever since. Was he in a motorcycle club? >> He was, but that's my dad.

Pia>> Yeah, he was. Um, I was like, I was 17. I was like, you know, dad, mom, on a motorcycle. They were like, you can't live in this house and have a motorcycle. I was like, all right, then I'll go live somewhere else and have a

Piamotorcycle. And that's what I did. And I moved in with um his name was Guy. um guyino and um yeah and he taught me how

Piato ride and uh he taught me a lot of stuff and um I was there for 4 years and he now he's passed away so that was like a big uh hurdle.

Brian Atlas>> Were you in the motorcycle club too? >> Girls can't be in motorcycle clubs. >> Okay. >> You could be like >> Aren't there different categories of motorcycle clubs? >> Well, yeah. I mean if you want to get into it like

Pia>> Yeah, get into it. I mean there's 1enter clubs that are considered outlaw motorcycle clubs. >> Yeah. Was it a 1enter club? >> So his club was not they did not wear a

Pia1% sorry a 1% patch. Um but they were sponsored by Hell's Angels. So >> what does that mean though to be sponsored? >> Basically like you got the approval of Hell's Angels to be a club and then if

Piayou want to wear a 1% patch, you then have to go further to get that approval. >> Can you say the name of the club or? >> Um yeah, he was in Outraged. It was called Outraged Motorcycle Club and he wasn't in it for very long. He'd been

Piariding his whole life. I mean, that guy could ride better than 95% of people out there. At his at his age, popping wheelies on a Ultra Classic is pretty good. >> Okay. And you were dating him for how

Pialong? >> Um, so in total it was four years. >> Four years. >> So, yeah. >> Okay. All right. But And you still ride Harley's or motorcycles? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I got a little collection. I'll be riding till I'm dead, man.

Brian Atlas>> That's cool. Yeah. >> Uh you said that he uh so he's the one who taught you how to ride. >> You said you he had some drug issues, but you really did love that man.

Brian Atlas>> Drama, trauma. Long story short, at some point you left him four years later and shortly after that he passed away and that was difficult. >> Yeah. >> Which you kind of talked about. >> So yeah. So I had left him um at a

Piacertain point. He he uh was not a perfect man. He um dealt with some drug issues, some pill issues and um like depression issues and he did have a

Piadaughter that passed away um a couple years before uh and it was just you know and everybody can make the argument of like oh it's all [ __ ] up because of the age gap and this and that and it's like look I'm no psychologist I don't

Piaknow but um >> how how old were was he? >> So so at the time he was 52 >> and you were 17. >> 17

Pia>> and uh >> you >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, you can say whatever you want. It's like >> I thought it was >> I really [ __ ] I really [ __ ] love that man. I'm no psychologist. >> I don't know. But I can tell you right

Pianow that at that definitely at least at that point in time, we were two people who I would say needed each other. Um I'm no [ __ ] psychologist, so you can go ahead and say because of X, Y, and Z.

PiaBut in reality, I think we did need each other. And I don't regret it. I mean, I learned a lot from that man. I love that man. He him passing was a big deal for me. I was already out of that house for over a year, but

Pia>> Okay. >> But him passing was a big deal. Um I >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> I mean, I showed when I found out that it had happened. I showed up and I was the one cleaning out the house and I was

Piathe one helping with his sister, taking care of everything. So, you know, >> uh why did you move out of your parents house at 17?

Pia>> Um I guess uh well, a couple things. You know, my my parents are very traditional. Um traditional old school Italian household, which is cool. I have nothing against them. They're great

Piaparents. Um but, you know, there's a lot of strict They're very strict. And I wanted to go I wanted to go ride motorcycles and I I stayed in school. I had great grades all throughout school

Piaand all that. It wasn't like a you know anything crazy. Um I I just wanted to leave. At 17 in New York you could legally leave your house. I knew that. >> So >> Okay. Just curious. Uh actually wait,

Brian Atlasnever mind. Uh you said you agree with most of the host views. Thank you. Thank you. >> Yeah. uh you say you're an exception to a lot of the rules he states as you've been doing a man's job for quite some

Brian Atlastime now. So you would say although exceptions do not create the rule, you simply need to leave room in your theories for them to exist. >> Yeah. I don't know if that was really more um you or um sorry

Pia>> Andrew. >> Andrew um because you know look yeah I'm I'm a minority. I I'm with reality hardcore. Like most uh most women are not going to want to do a man's job.

PiaSomething that I do. I chose to do this job. Uh I could see where most women wouldn't want to do this job, but I I do I do do this job and I and I think that I do it well. So,

Brian Atlas>> right. >> Well, you you write that you're a licensed electrician. You typically do very masculine work in your daily life, but you're a walking contradiction due to the fact that you actually believe more in traditional values. You're rel,

Brian Atlasexcuse me, raised by Catholic old school Italian family. >> Yeah. >> You guys don't believe in divorce. You do a man's job throughout the day. You don't want to come home and still play a masculine role in your relationship.

Brian AtlasThat being said, the average guy would find you probably too masculine or intimidating to be someone they would typically approach. >> Right. Definitely. Fair enough. Because same, lol. That's what you wrote.

Pia>> Yeah. Because um I mean, look, like obviously on face value, I'm definitely not I'm not everybody's cup of tea. And >> you want to do a double bicep really quick? >> I don't know if I got the room, dude. I might I hurt some people.

Pia>> Raise it over. Here you go. >> Where's the camera at? Huh? It's right there. >> This guy hurt. >> Yeah, I work out. I mean, you know, computer,

Pia>> I work out, but like if you took that away, still just um what I do every day is very masculine. It's very masculine job. Obviously, I'm a more masculine female. I'm not super feminine. Um so,

Piamost men are not going to want to deal with that. Fair enough, you know. But um so in saying traditional, it's like me being this masculine, the reason maybe one maybe one of the reasons why I've

Piadated older men is because older men tend to be traditionally more masculine. Like that's just the way it is. Those are traditionally masculine men. For somebody who's going to look at me and see somebody that they may potentially

Piawant to have a serious relationship with, you probably are going to have to be at least more masculine than me, right? So, like, >> you know, and yeah, I believe in traditional values. I mean, in my

Piafamily, like I said, we don't get divorced. You're married to somebody, you know, if you don't like them, go to bed, wake up tomorrow, maybe you'll feel different cuz you're going to be with them till you're dead. So, uh, yeah. >> What's the oldest you've ever dated? Cuz

Brian Atlasyou said you tend to date older men. >> Um, so same age range, like 50. >> You've dated multiple guys in their 50s. >> Yeah. So, my last relationship was older, too. >> All right. We got some older viewers in the chat. Maybe we can >> No, dude. I think I might be done. I

Piadon't know. You're done. >> No, it's just it's just um like I said, it's not like I'm seeking out necessarily older men. It's just that also I will say that being raised old

Piaschool also includes like older music, older movies, older values. I mean, there's not I don't find many people my age that we actually have much to talk about in reality. You know, you know, I

Pialike motorcycles and working on motorcycles and trades and stuff. I mean, there's not that many people my age and old music and old movies. I

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