4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

Date: 2025-07-14

Duration: 7h 57m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EElizabeth (4 Kids)>

AAmanda (Security)>

JJenna (Bartender)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Eugina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth (4 Kids)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Amanda (Security)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Pia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie (SPC)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kelly (Cars)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna (Bartender)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sin(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKelly reveals she just exited polycule with non-binary homeless comedian living in hearse

Key MomentElizabeth: 4 kids with 4 different fathers. Tubes tied.

Key MomentBrian announces men's rights nonprofit: child support, alimony, custody reform, banning circumcision

ControversyCircumcision debate: Brian vs Eugina

Key MomentEugina lost virginity at 31 to Black Muslim comedian from TBS show

Key MomentJulie: had sex within 5 minutes of meeting Vegas man, continued seeing him 5-6 times

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sin, Eugina (PhD feminist), Kelly (polycule exit), Elizabeth (4 kids 4 dads), Amanda, Jenna, Julie (SPC), Pia (electrician).

SPC/Sovereign Citizen Discussion

Julie explains secured party creditor status and ministry.

Elizabeth 4 Kids 4 Dads

Kids at ages 18, 21, 24, 26. Tubes tied.

Circumcision Debate

Brian: genital mutilation should be banned. Eugina: hygiene benefits.

Feminism Extended Debate

Brian vs Eugina: selective service, patriarchy, domestic violence stats.

Eugina Lost Virginity at 31

To Black Muslim comedian from TBS show, met on Hinge in Brooklyn.

Julie Vegas Story

Had sex within 5 minutes of meeting man in Vegas. Continued seeing him 5-6 times.

Transcript

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Euginaphysical impairments for men having been circumcised. They don't even >> It doesn't It's not a It's not a >> Oh my god. Okay. Men who've been circumcised, they suffer their entire

Brian Atlaslife and die in misery because they had their four skin removed. I'm sorry. >> Wait. So, you think that um because you don't view this specific issue as uh it

Brian Atlasdoesn't reach a certain threshold of male suffering that it's not >> I mean, it's insane. You're saying every Jewish man is in hell. I guess I don't know. I don't know what you guys

Euginaare arguing. >> No, I'm saying like as someone raised in a community as being around Jewish men, I didn't notice that any of them were like mourning every day their foreskin. They woke up every morning and said,

Amanda (Security)"God, I wish I had my fores." >> Right. But I mean, if >> if it wasn't mutilation though, they they'd be able to do it at any any stage. It's mutilation cuz they have to

Euginahave it like pretty much done as a baby so they don't remember. It's more painful when you're aware of it when you're already grown. When you're 13 though, >> how do we not know it's just as painful for the baby? It's just be not as

Elizabeth (4 Kids)painful cuz they don't talk. >> I mean, the baby everything is painful. >> I mean, the entire birth is agony for everybody involved. >> Uh, so, you know, I'm just since I I'll

Brian Atlasjust read something here. So there's a study um infant circumcision may lead to social challenges as an adult undergoing circumcision as an infant has delayed

Brian Atlaspsychological complications. This is shown by an international study led by research researchers from Arhus University. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. Uh they've long

Brian Atlasdisagreed about the health implications also for mental health of small boys being circumcised. A study now shows that infant circumcision, which is the case for a third of the world's male

Brian Atlaspopulation, has consequences in adulthood. Uh let's see. Uh we wanted to challenge the assumption that there are no delayed consequences of infant circumcision apart from the purely

Brian Atlasphysical because of the absence of foreskin. Uh so they they documented something about emotional stability. Uh stressed stressed infant. Uh according to the researcher, the study

Brian Atlaslinks the state of stress that infant circumcision triggers in the infant with the altered behavior which is first revealed as an adult. Our findings are especially interesting for coming parents who want to make an informed choice about circumcision on behalf of

Brian Atlastheir child, but are also directed at anyone who wishes okay blah blah blah. That's not important. Um let's see. The study showed that men who had undergone circumcision as an infant found it more

Brian Atlasdifficult to bond with their partner and were more emotionally unstable. While the study did not find differences in empathy or trust, infant circumcision was also associated with stronger sexual

Brian Atlasdrive as well as a lower stress threshold.

Eugina>> Oh, I mean you can just I mean that's what the study seems to indicate. You also realize that there are some uh >> Okay. The Jewish community is very deeply troubled. I apologize. >> That's not Hold on. No, I'm saying the

Eugina>> Could you actually be good faith and not straw in my position at every I'm I'm basing this on lived experience, right? I don't live my life and see men

Brian Atlassuffering from being circumcised. >> Can you acknowledge that? Look, here's what I can do. I'll be good faith. Okay. >> There are people who get circumcised that move through life without any issues or complications with

Brian Atlascircumcision. Can you acknowledge that there are people who do get circumcised who either let's just go with physical like for example the actual surgical procedure can cause harm. >> Okay.

Eugina>> Sure. Vaccines can cause harm. Everything that's done to a child when they come out of the birth canal can cause harm. >> It's like risk versus reward. Like he's saying like we understand why it's okay.

Brian Atlasthere's a 50-50 chance that something won't happen, but if there's nothing gonna happen, >> we're beating a dead horse. >> Yeah, I don't even want to I don't even really care. Men can do what they want. >> Moving it on. Um, we have Lucas chair 2

Brian Atlasand three. Be precise. That's not what my prior post stated. It stated that a grown cohort of women, not all women, are behaving appallingly. Feminism and sisterhood is running cover for this

Brian Atlasdisgusting and entitled behavior without a morsel of accountability. Leave that up for a sec. Nick, could you guys respond? >> I'm sorry. I didn't understand all your big words. >> What's up there? >> Be precise. >> I I'm sorry. You got to break it down into small baby words.

Pia>> Yeah, we don't get it. >> Um, it's not my >> I didn't go to college. >> I still don't I I went and I don't get it either. >> You know what a cohort is, right?

Pia>> It started that a growing group of women >> not all women are behaving appallingly. >> Feminism is a sisterhood running. >> What is this appalling behavior? I'm wondering. >> No, it was he was Yeah, he was referring to his earlier super chat where he was

Euginatalking about cuz he was saying the gripe with the podcast so much. >> Okay. >> Is the appalling behavior having sex with men who want sex with them? Is that what he's referring to as appalling? >> No, he's saying that you're he was

Kelly (Cars)referring to his earlier super chat where he said that um like your gripe with the podcast is that it shines a light on women basically behaving appallingly. That's all >> it. Oh, that Oh, that

Eugina>> that's your gripe with the podcast. Let's be real. >> It shines a My gripe is that it shines an exclusive light and it's not equal opportunity. It's saying we are the sole source of every problem that exists and not it's mutually. >> I don't think anyone's saying that. I

Euginathink >> well the focus is on our appalling behavior, right? Not their appalling behavior. >> No, that's not what you're doing. That's not like >> like >> I'm just saying equal opportunity appalling behavior,

Kelly (Cars)>> right? But I'm just I feel like these are all like micro micro things that you're looking at when you're referring to these examples. So when you say like, "Oh yeah, well why are we only looking at our dating history, not his, "Well, he's the host." Well, it's we're only picking on women. That's the shtick of

Kelly (Cars)the podcast. I'm like, "I'm going to need some broader like societal implications for me to like buy into what you're saying." Not like specific niche situations where it's like, "Yeah, of course my boss has more power than me." like well women are deemed to have

Kelly (Cars)less value for >> having by what metric >> by people the general opinion of people who agree with him >> if anything isn't he giving like more

Kelly (Cars)women platforms than other people like what he like it's I know you're saying like if we're going to do devil's advocate you know what I'm saying like >> I mean I don't know he he's got us here

Euginato show how terrible we all are right I'm not terrible talking about your case and the defender No, but isn't that what he's arguing? He's asking us what we've done and is it bad or not. Maybe for you, but I don't

Euginafeel that way at all whatsoever. >> If that's not what he's doing, then I am again misinterp

Euginawhat you said. I guess >> we're back to >> No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Go ahead. >> She What am I What am I trying to do? >> I don't know. It was about one of those questions. >> Yeah. What am I trying to do?

Euginapoint the focus being on the appalling behavior of women entirely. I'm saying there needs to be an equal focus on everyone's appalling behavior. >> We all are. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. So, you're you're saying there needs to be

Brian Atlasan equal focus on appalling behavior. >> Yes. I'm saying it's not exclusive to women. >> Okay. So, you must be an anti-feminist then. Why is it that feminists only focus on the appalling behavior of men? >> Wow. There's something really

Brian Atlasobjectionable then with the feminist movement because there's not a lot of criticisms that feminist makes directed towards women and you only look at for example crime statistics as it relates

Brian Atlasto men. You want to paint men and women have equal appalling behavior >> but that's you're saying that and it's not even my actual position >> people. Yeah,

Brian Atlas>> right. But you're like, "Oh, Brian, why do you only focusing on women? That's the entire genesis of >> I'm not blaming everything on men. I'm just pointing out that the point of view >> Wait, wait, wait. Do you believe in the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy? >> I believe that there's disrespect towards women in the world. >> Answer the qu that's not answering the question. Do you believe in the patriarchy theory? >> Ah, your answer. This is going to BTFO

Euginayou because you're going to it's going to point out your hypocrisy. >> No, >> again, I'm saying by trying to blame everything on women. >> Answer the question. >> You don't care what I'm saying? Then why are you asking me? No, no, hold on

Brian Atlasbecause you're you're trying to just answer the question. >> I'm trying to >> do you believe in the patriarchy >> or do you believe in the patriarchy theory? >> I'm I'm serious.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Oh, and explain what the patriarchy is. >> It's a fundamental social consciousness that disrespects women for doing the same things that men

Brian Atlasdo. >> Patri No, but what >> for doing the same things men do? >> Okay. That's a result of the patriarchy. What is the patriarchy? >> It's a social consciousness. It's what we It's what your your opinion.

Eugina>> What is the social consciousness? >> It's how we move around in the world and look at each other. >> Patriarchy is the social. >> It's a lot of things. It's legal. It's

Euginacultural. It's artistic. It's in every it manifests in everything. >> What is the patriarchy? >> Oh my god. Before it was structural and in some countries it still is

Brian Atlasstructural. Again, not in this one. >> I'm not asking whether it's structural or not structural. What is the patriarchy >> in this country specifically? >> Sure. >> In which country are we talking about? >> Let's say the United States.

Eugina>> All right. In this country, it's cultural because it's no more it's not necessarily legal anymore. It used to be legal. It used to be enshrined in law. >> Hold on. You're literally not answering the question. And I'm not asking if it's

Brian Atlaslegal or illegal or whatever. What is the patriarchy? I'm looking for a definition. I'm looking for a descriptor of what it is. Like >> I think I've said it. It's this awareness of women as being denigrated

Euginaby doing the same things men are doing. >> Hold on. Aren't you like a feminist academic? Why can't you answer the question? Why? >> I'm not an academic. I'm just a student. >> You're a PhD student. >> Okay. I'm a student feminism. I haven't published the

Brian Atlas>> You're literally an academic. You're working on your dissertation for your PhD. Haven't even published it yet. I'm not an academic. >> Well, you Yes, you are. >> I'm a research student. Yeah. >> Okay. Am I misusing the term academic? >> Academic is someone who's been published

Kelly (Cars)and is like wellknown. I'm not that >> it's just like a discrepancy, right? In society, right? Like feminism like let's start with that definition. It's like it's the def the discrepancy of >> it's the point of view that women are

Euginalesser than for behaving in equally human ways as men. We're seen as lesser than them for behaving equally as human as they are. And you're saying >> because we're held to a different standard. Like he said, he has a different standard. That's what I'm talking about. It's the different

Euginastandard. >> Okay. But what is the patriarchy? >> That's what I want to. >> I just said what it is. >> She did give a different >> It's the different standard that women are held to in this country specifically. >> Held to a different standard.

Eugina>> Yes. When it comes to our behavior, because if we behave as equally human as men, if we have things that we're we behave badly, everyone behaves badly. to

Euginapoint it only as women are badly behaved so they're bad. >> Okay. But under but hold on. So the patriarchy >> let me just make sure I understand this.

Brian AtlasSo your criticism of me is that I disproportionately paint women as bad. Okay. I'm >> Well, isn't that the point of this? >> When? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What's the What is your evidence

Kelly (Cars)for the claim? >> If it's not again, it's not self-evident. I don't know how to point it out. people are bad and you collect a group of people, right? It's just like why the crime demographic effects might be higher in like a specific thing >> here. Let me >> you gather more women, you're going to

Euginahave more bad women. >> What have I what have I said? >> Like if you have more women, you want women to be sexually available and when they are, they're become lesser then for

Euginabeing sexually avail. It's a it's a it's a it's a it's a double thing. It's like what do you actually want? >> Oh my god, bro. What words have I said that have led you to that conclusion? You said you want women to be sexually

Euginaavailable to you, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Are you the only man on earth? Do other men not want the same thing as you do? >> He to him in a relationship. >> Yeah. I acknowledge that women [ __ ] other men besides me. Congratulations. >> And those men have your similar point of view.

Eugina>> Speak straight into the mic. >> Those men have a similar point of view as you. Most of them share your the ones maybe who watch this, they share your opinion. >> Okay. Do you think it's wrong for men to >> to expect sex, to want sex, and then

Euginaimmediately once a woman gives you sex to see her as somehow de diminished? >> Hold on. Oh my god, bro. The straw maning is [ __ ] crazy. It's not straw maning. Did I literally say you said there's a different standard? >> You didn't.

Eugina>> I literally did not say this. >> I asked you the question. Do you think men are denigrated by the sex they have? You said there's two different >> that when men have sex I'm just

Brian Atlasreferencing what you said. >> No, you're you're creating an complete straw man. You're I >> can check the check. Go back in time. >> Okay. Repeat again. Repeat it again. What did I say?

Eugina>> I asked you if you thought women were lesser then after they've had sex with you that they're less pure. >> And what was my answer? >> You said that. >> Did I say yes? Did I answer in the affirmative to your question?

Eugina>> There was more to that conversation, right? You said no. You said it m it depends on you said it depends on how many men they've had sex with. Right. >> Right. But no no Hold on. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Brian Atlas>> That's exactly what he said. >> No, but you said that your whole claim was Brian says after the woman sleeps with me that I view her as less than. Never. Never said that whatsoever. That's your whole argument.

Brian Atlas>> No, that's not. You're putting words in my mouth. >> No, you liter How am I putting words out? So, I'm trying to explain to you what >> you just said it. >> You just said, Brian, you think women are less than after.

Eugina>> You said the words that there's a different metric or standard by what men how men behave sexually. And there's You said it's different, right? You said if men have a lot of sex, it's different than if women have a lot of sex. >> But he said he's not trying to sleep with his friends, so he's not going to

Brian Atlasjudge his friends. >> I said promiscuity in men and women, okay, >> is it's bad for both. However, there are differences. >> Okay. So, is that not what I've been saying?

Eugina>> No, that's not what you've been saying. >> Okay, then um again, it's fine. >> The book >> a notepad. >> Purple dress. What? >> Yeah. What's with the book?

SPEAKER_12>> Oh, I'm sorry. >> The book. >> What are we talking about? >> I don't know what you're talking about, Nick. >> She brought a book. >> Sorry. It's >> You reading a book? >> No, >> I noticed. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold

Piaon. book on the podcast. >> Sorry. >> Bear and win. >> Fight a bear and win. >> Yeah. Get a big gun. >> Sorry. >> That's how you do that. >> Okay. Can you not bring stuff to the table, please?

Eugina>> Um, >> sorry. We've had past experiences. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> Again, it was like >> I don't want to make this too complicated. I'm just saying there's a fundamental social disrespect for women.

Eugina>> What What is the fundamental social disrespect of women? It's based on how we use our bodies. If we use them in a way that's deemed

Brian Atlasinappropriate, then we are bad people. It's very It's not that complicated. >> Do you have any uh preferences that relates to men? >> Not really. I mean,

Eugina>> are you straight? >> It's not a spe It's not a person specific thing. I'm saying it's a social general thing. I'm not saying specific to me. specific to me. I uh would prefer

Brian Atlasif men were faithful, you know, and not having sex with a lot of women. >> Women cheat. >> So then you don't I'm a bit confused though. So if I don't want a woman who

Euginahas slept with a bunch of men, that's >> No, you have the right to have that opinion. >> So >> I'm not saying you can't think that women say something. Grid one one say

SPEAKER_00something. Grid One Motorsports donated $2001. I am the patriarchy and you know nothing of my work. Feminism has failed you. You

SPEAKER_00blame men for not leading, but you refuse to see reality. The patriarchy has nothing to do with sex. Be better. >> Be better. Thank you. Grid one W's in the chat for Grid.

Brian Atlas>> I said it was cultural and social. Grid, what did you get me into? >> I I I don't know. I'm just kind of confu I'm kind of confused by some of your arguments here. They're a little incoherent, but

Brian Atlas>> okay. We have pasty George chair 2. This podcast focuses on modern women's current views, opinions, and beliefs, especially regarding dating and relationships. Your own words and statements reveal what you truly believe.

EuginaWait, was that directed to me? >> Chair too. Yeah, that's you. >> I didn't I didn't wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, she's checked out. >> I I checked out a little bit. I'm I'm a

Brian Atlaslittle exhausted. What is it? >> Okay. All right. Well, I'll just move it on then since Oh, we have some chats here. Hold on.

Brian Atlas>> Something about me being mean at men, right? It's just weird like you're you're you think it's like some gotcha like, "Oh, Brian, what's the purpose of the show? You're trying to like paint women in

Brian Atlassome way." Literally, your entire movement, which is fully mainstream and has seeped into all realms of society, feminism, is doing exactly what you're

Euginaattempting to accuse me of. >> I have nothing against men, okay? I like men. I wish they were at the standard behaving that I wished and dreamed they would, right? >> I kind of doubt this. Let's explore

Euginathis. Do you believe? Do you believe that there is a patriarchy? >> Okay. Do you think men are oppressors? Yes or no? >> Oh my god. In Saudi Arabia, they are. I don't know what you're asking me. What country are we in?

Eugina>> Uh, in the general sense of the this idea. >> There are patriarchies currently in different places. Yes. Illegal. >> Sure. United States. Are men oppressors >> in the United States? I don't think so. Generally, like I'm saying, I'm saying

Euginait's more of a cultural thing. It's not a legal or a economic thing because women can work and women have rights and this and that. >> Culturally there there's a patriarchy in the United States. >> Yes. If you look examine the culture

Euginathere ex it exists there. Yeah. >> Okay. And so women are women oppressed under a a cultural patriarchy. >> I wouldn't say they're oppressed. It's

Euginajust not great to be constantly seen as a object. Right. It's not always >> that the oppression under the feminist worldview >> to be seen as not a subject but an object. Yeah, sure that is.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, women are oppressed in the United States. >> You're twisting my words there. >> No, I'm asking you. Are women oppressed in the United States? >> No, not legally or economically, >> but culturally they are. >> I wouldn't call it an oppression. I

Euginawould call it just a leftover of a previous system. Okay. So, back when America was a patriarchy when women, >> which was before women got the right to vote, right? which was when women were property considered

Eugina>> well not really but the >> the yes historically yes women were considered economically and socially property that's fine and legally at a certain point I forgot the exact dates but you can check >> so there hasn't been a patriarchy since

Eugina1920 when the 19 >> that that was a very big moment yeah when women got the right to vote that's when things started to go a different direction yeah >> so patriarchy ceased entirely after then

Euginaor >> there have been leftovers Right. There have been the things still reverberate from when it was a real system. It's not a real system anymore. >> Reverberations.

Eugina>> It's not a real system, right? Because it's not enshrined in the law anymore. Okay. But in some countries it is. Here it's not. >> We beat the patriarchy. >> Okay. So the >> we I mean feminism again, I don't know

Euginawhy everyone is against it because it allowed us to be doing whatever we're doing right now. But uh maybe we all want to be sitting and knitting. I don't know. I don't know what everyone's goal in life is. >> I don't understand this enough to

Euginaidentify with it. >> If everyone's goal in life is to be sitting at home and having their husband beat them because they can't make their own money. >> I'm not asking for that. >> Yeah. Because I'm not because I'm not a selfidentified feminist. >> It's women who don't want economic

Euginaindependence. They want to be at the mercy of their husband. That's what you're arguing for. That's very anti economically cuz they're not self-suffic cuz they're not self-sufficient. >> No, you're infantilizing us.

Pia>> I think I think that the the term feminism has definitely changed over the years, right? At one point in time, >> it used to be real. >> Maybe at one point in time, uh, feminism meant okay, the right to vote, and then that

Piawas done with, and then it meant the right to have whatever job you wanted. I could tell you that's done with. So, I guess it's like, what is it? Yeah. What more would you like? I'm saying it exists in much more real way in other

Euginaplaces. Here I'm saying it's not as much of a real thing. It's more of just like a like I get like I said a social a cultural thing >> idea of feeling >> a vibe. >> A vibe. Yeah. It's a vibe. It's a bad vibe.

Sin>> It's not enough. It's not >> It's bad vibes, man. >> To generalize like women that want like husbands to stay at home that they get beat. That's like an extreme like extreme. >> It's like this reactionary thing, right?

EuginaThere's a reactionary movement now with men, right? They want to go back. Well, back to what >> who's the other trades, right? I work with men. I work in a field with men all day. >> Yeah. >> Equality is alive and well because um it

Piais >> you could have whatever job you want, right? >> In my job, yes. Maybe, right, this happens a lot. Maybe a man looks at me and thinks >> they kind of toss me to the side at first, right? You're not going to take

Piamy opinion seriously. you're not going to think that my work is going to be of equal value of yours, but as soon as I I do the job, right, my work speaks for itself and then you're going to take me seriously.

Pia>> But if a man automatically has that feeling when they look at me, >> to be honest, that is a fair generalization, >> okay? >> Most women are not going to be able to compete to the capacity of a man. So, if you look at me and that's your first

Piathought, I'm fine with that because that's a fair generalization. I have to prove to you that my work is of equal value. And I'm okay with that, too. >> So, here's my main argument.

Eugina>> I don't want to let men convince us. We want to go back to when we didn't have it good. Like, now we have it. Okay. Right. >> There's this movement to convince women that we're very unhappy with the way

Piathings are and we want to go back to a previous era. >> Nobody needs to convince anybody of anything because you have the right to pick whatever you want. So you really don't need any convincing. If you want to live a life at home, you can live a

Pialife at home. I think when you take away the options, any extreme is no good, right? So when you take away options, then yeah, things start to change. I mean, but but you have as many options as you want available. >> So you know, I feel like

Eugina>> why are women more depressed now? Anti-depressant. >> Everyone's more depressed now cuz things suck equally everywhere. I feel like the crux of why it feels like frust

Kelly (Cars)is cuz we'll get to the like crux of why your argument doesn't work. And instead of just being like, "Okay, I can see it on this." You'll pivot the goalpost instead of just like acknowledging that that was like maybe not the right. >> I'm just trying to point out that don't let men convince you we want to go back

Sinto what was before, >> right? Which is three arguments ago cuz it like just keeps moving. >> That's going That's my only real point. >> Are you taking my option away to be barefoot and pregnant? >> No. You have that right. You can do

Euginawhatever you want. I'm just saying not all not all started with I'm saying if all of us have to be barefoot and pregnant, that's when the >> because of it. >> I'm just saying if all of us are forced to be barefoot and pregnant, that'll be a problem.

Kelly (Cars)>> Nobody's forcing you. >> But nobody asked for equality either. But whatever. >> I asked for equality. Speak for yourself. She said nobody asked for equality. >> Let me speak for myself. >> Oh boy. It's fine. >> Nobody asked for equality.

Brian Atlas>> All right. We have some chats here. According to the Center for Reproductive Rights, FGM is a human's rights violation. There are laws prohibiting FGM. I don't know of any such protections for males. You can add that

Brian Atlasas well as mandatory DNA testing at birth to the list, Brian. Yes, it's added to the list. >> Added to the list. Thank you so much. We're going to do uh we're going to get

Brian Atlassome sort of men's rights organization going. If you anybody can help out, whether it's through activism, if you're you can support it in some way, like uh if there's any attorneys, for example,

Brian Atlaswilling to do some proono work, legal activism, uh we'll we'll do it. Christopher Scott, oh no, Brian focuses on women's abort behavior, but most of mainstream media expounds men as the

Brian Atlasproblem. Oh no. >> Yeah.

EuginaOkay, >> that wasn't addressed to anyone. Who is that addressed to? >> You're you got to speak into the mic. But >> I think you're the only person that's claimed that his podcast is like perpetuating misogyny. So >> I'm saying he's waging psychological

Euginawarfare to convince women we're unhappy and we want to go back to the way things were. >> Psychic war. >> What? That's really >> another go heard of that. >> Another go. >> Actually, I'm not even sure who the

Euginaaudience is for this. Maybe he's trying preaching to the choir. He's convincing men that things are bad and need to go back. I don't know >> who. When did you say go back? I'm like I feel like >> I don't even know what the hell you're talking about. Like go back.

Pia>> Go back to the way things were before legally and economically for women. >> I think it sucks that women can't >> No one made that argument though. >> Women can't choose to be really at home and and just be a housewife even if they

Piareally wanted to. I think that does suck because you know Yeah. Two incomes now. Yeah. So that sucks. >> Yeah, that does actually. >> Then we should all go back to the way things were because people were happier. We all just said three times no one is

Kelly (Cars)saying that and then you say well I guess you're right. I guess we should do that. I'm like >> everything is so what is the objective though? What's the objective here to convince women? >> No no to respond to what we're actually saying is the objective right now. Like

Kelly (Cars)what we're actually saying cuz every time we point it out it moves like we >> I'm thinking the same thing over and over. >> I feel like no. >> What is the objective of feminism?

Brian Atlasthe right of women to be people equally as men. >> And do women not have that? >> They do. >> So what is the >> feminist? >> What is the ongoing purpose of feminism? If that's the case,

Eugina>> again in in cultures where women have already achieved the real equality, it's just the remnants of trying to fix more deeper con BS conceptual stuff. And in

Brian Atlasother places, it's a real thing. I'm saying there's plenty of the world where it's a real thing still. >> Okay. that such as like of the things that they're still trying to fix in the United States, for example, what would

Euginathat be? >> I guess they're just trying to have a society where women are seen as not, you know, hoes for the same behavior as men.

EuginaI don't know. It's again socially, culturally, women not to be seen as objects, to be seen as subjects. Don't they make themselves >> I'm just curious. Do you think do you think the draft should be equalized?

Brian Atlas>> Sure. Like in Israel? >> Absolutely not. >> Okay. Why >> not? Why not? It should be equalized. >> Why isn't there stronger advocation from feminists to >> Well, there is in some places.

Eugina>> This is not a mainstream feminist position that they're like marching in the streets. >> Mainstream feminism doesn't is like pacifist. They don't want any war. It's like anti-war generally. >> It seems a little bit infantilizing. Women don't even go to war. modern

Kelly (Cars)feminism to be like, "Oh, yeah. People look at me and they just don't see me as the same opportunity." Exactly what she said. Maybe like what you said, how it's just a cultural vibe basically left over of >> Yeah, that's cool. Um, all right. We

SPEAKER_00have Rayu here coming in. >> Rayu 2,985 donated $200. >> Thank you, man. Appreciate it. >> Two, who do you think is more abusive in

SPEAKER_00a relationship? Women or men? Whether it be physically or emotionally or both?

EuginaThat's for you. >> Why is everything Why is every question >> Yeah. Do you want to answer the question? >> Um, who's more abusive? I don't know. What are the statistics? I don't know who's more abusive. I think >> what what does your feminist propaganda

Euginatell you? >> Objective reality says that most violent crimes are committed by men. >> The statistic Yeah. The statistics are men, but like >> in a relationship in a relationship.

Amanda (Security)>> Yeah. Men are not believe that they can be psychologically tortured by women. So they usually don't say anything. So there's not going to be many statistics on it. I think more people are speaking

Euginaout about it now. But >> believe women abuse men. I'm not saying this is again two-way street, right? >> Uh Rayu, do you want to pose a followup

Brian Atlasto her on this? It seems like you're perhaps trying to get to something. Uh he was asking though specifically about relationships. you're pointing to that men are more likely to per uh commit

Brian Atlasviolent crimes for example. >> What do you think about this though? Uh if we look at uh homosexuality in relationships, if you look at for example you look you compare and

Brian Atlascontrast heterosexual relationships to homosexual relationships, you find the following. Domestic violence rates are highest in lesbian relationships. in the middle you have heterosexual

Brian Atlasrelationships and the lowest incidence of domestic violence is in uh gay so two men relationships. How would you then go ahead and reconcile the fact that when you have two women in in a relationship

Brian Atlasthe incidence of violence is actually the highest and then when you have two men who I think you would say well men are more likely to be violent the incidence of violence is the least. >> Yeah. And in heterosexual relationships,

Euginait's lower than when there's two women in a relationship. >> Well, a lot of violence uh against women is committed outside of a relationship. So, that's great. We're talking about

Brian Atlas>> But we're talking about within the confines of a relationship. And then hold on. Uh the majority of violence is also men are more likely to be victims of violent crime

Eugina>> by women. Women are attacking men. >> How would that matter? It matters statistically. >> Yeah. So, let's get back to the actual original one, though. Do you want to contend with my point? >> That lesbians are beating each other to

Brian Atlasdeath. I don't know. I guess it's not good. It's not good. It's not good. I'm against it. >> Seems a little dismissive of women who are victims of crime of abuse in lesbian relationships.

Eugina>> Again, that's a specific subset of being in a relationship. That's a very that's a statistical little thing. Most violence is committed outside of relationships.

Eugina>> Okay, cool. But let's talk about relationships because that's what we're talking about. >> It's bad. I'm not Again, I'm not trying to blame men for everything. I think we're equally can beat each other and abuse each other. And it's

Eugina>> abuse bad. >> Abuse is bad. Yeah, that's my hot take. I don't like it. I'm not a fan of lesbians committing sexual violence against each other. >> Okay. But what do you have to say about

Brian Atlaswhen we do we are doing an analysis of these relationships? You put two women in a relationship, they're far more likely to physically abuse each other than when you put two men in a romantic relationship.

Kelly (Cars)>> Well, the men can take each other, right? >> That's crazy. >> It's a power It's a power imbalance, right? There's no power imbalance generally in a gay relationship. >> You want to lean on the statistics and then when it's like okay well what about

Euginathe statistic it's like oh well that's uh they don't report it or like it's dismissive of men. It's literally sexist in the other way. >> I mean if we're completely discounting the reality of everything then yeah you know I'm I'm proven wrong about violence

Brian Atlasand who commits it. >> We're talking about in relationship violence specifically. >> Wait so hold on. Let me let me just frame it like this. You're saying well in the west uh there are women in other

Brian Atlascountries who face worse oppression due to their gender than in the United States. So >> okay >> should we then dismiss cuz you would still say though that there are

Brian Atlasdisadvantages women face even in modern western first world countries. Can I then dismiss that because there's women in other countries who are facing conceivably worse levels of oppression or sexism?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, you can dismiss it. Um, again, I'm saying it's not >> what >> I mean that would be it would be a fallacy of relative privation this idea of pointing to like appeal to a greater

Brian Atlasproblem. Appeal to a greater problem. This idea that oh well there's starving children in Africa so this specific thing that we're talking about now doesn't matter because there's a worse thing happening

Euginasomewhere else. It's facious. >> The point of feminism here in the United States is to prevent a regression, right? to keep to >> that's a regression. >> Yeah. Prevent us from going backwards

Euginaand stay in the present with how things are. Not to repeal things, repeal laws. Right. There's a push to repeal certain laws that grant us certain rights. Right. >> Okay. Love it. Anyways, I'm going to

Brian Atlasmove on. >> We have Pacy George here, too. Do you know that 300 years ago before men and women had the right to vote, both sexes except royalty and their lackey were considered objects for many things, including slavery?

Brian AtlasThat's crazy. >> Men were Yes, men enslaved other men. Correct. Yeah, >> that's a thing that happened. >> Um, do you think, Question though, do you think that men

Brian Atlasdeserve either historical or current disadvantages because the perpetrators of their oppression shared their gender? >> What are the current disadvantages of men? Can you explain them to me other

Brian Atlasthan circumcision? >> Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. Okay. So, I mean, if we're going to look at statistics, uh, men are more likely to unal alive themselves. They're more likely to be homeless. They're more likely to, uh, die on the job. They're more likely to,

Brian Atlasuh, be, uh, >> is that because society is structured against you? The laws are making you commit. >> Aren't you a feminist? Wouldn't you argue that patriarchy also hurts men?

EuginaSo, if it's the case that men live under a patriarchy, wouldn't said patriarchy also hurt them? >> Okay. But what are the things that are hurting you? What are the things? No. What are the What are the What are the

Euginalaws? What are the economic situation that's making men kill themselves? >> Expectations. There's not a lot. There's not >> the economic situ Okay, >> just said it.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, so hold on. If it if it was the case that the female unaliv rate was disproportionate and it was higher than men's, I think a lot of feminists would

Brian Atlassay this is evidence of sexism in society. But whenever it's interesting if a bad thing happens to a woman it's because she's a woman. If a bad thing happens to a man it's well it's his

Brian Atlasfault >> he needs to >> like it's not because it's there's nothing gender related at least anything that negatively impacts man. >> Has nothing to do with their gender. >> It's because generally speaking the

Euginapeople making the laws and with the money and the power to make laws are male. >> Then should we be campaigning for >> again though? So wait, what? >> You made the laws that hurt you. I made the laws.

Brian Atlas>> Men, other men made the laws that hurt men, right? There's not a lot of women in government. There's more, but there's not a lot. >> If a group historically built a system, and I'm going to I'm not even historically currently. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Sure. That means individual members today, they they can't point out how it's harmful to towards them. >> Sure, it's harmful, but what is this specific thing that's making men kill themselves at a higher rate? Wait, can you say like on the live or something

Brian Atlaslike YouTube? >> I'm sorry. Does it matter? >> All right. So, I never said that before. On live. Yeah. >> No, no, no. Hold on. Well, you asked me to give you ways in which men are disadvantaged in society or like how

Brian Atlasthey're negatively impacted. So, feminists would point to things that aren't like cuz remember earlier you said, well, from the there's no laws or anything that negatively impact women. You said it's like the culture, right?

Brian AtlasOkay, cool. The culture is making men more likely to unal alive themselves. So why can you cite to my culture but I can't sight to the culture?

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So what could you fix in culture that'll make men not kill themselves not alive themselves? I'm not this is not that okay that specific topic I'm not an expert in like like if you were to ask

Brian Atlasme about like how do we resolve homelessness that's not like an an area where I have expertise in but I can descriptively point out what the issue is I don't necessarily have uh I mean I could probably think of prescriptions

Eugina>> I mean I think you're pointing out just a general more economic reason why everything's worse right things are bad economically for many people that's why

Euginathey're homeless That's why what? No, it has nothing to do with money. The reason >> Yeah, that's related. >> Okay, so that's >> all over the place with uh

Eugina>> No, but how is it something that is related to gender in terms of men killing them? >> But so so >> this is >> Yeah, I know it's difficult. So

Brian Atlas>> you you you're shifting the goalpost here. You asked me, okay, well, what in what ways are men uh disadvantaged or in what ways are men facing specifically

Brian Atlasgendered problems as it relates to men? And I was starting to list some for you because you doubted that it could even exist that men in today's society can suffer in a gendered way. And I'm pointing out to you ways in which men

Brian Atlasdisproportionately suffer in the same way that feminists say, well, women disproportionately suffer in this way. So if it's valid for you to say women disproportionately suffer, I can also say men disproportionately suffer in

Euginathis way too. >> So what has created the system that makes you disproportionately suffer >> to reject that there's patriarchy?

Eugina>> Again, I'm saying here in the United States, it's not as real as it is in other places. >> I'm not Hold on. I'm not Have I made a claim about the attribution of blame? No, but

Brian Atlas>> that's that's a great red herring. I appreciate that. I'm actually just looking at the ways in which men are disadvantaged, >> which is the >> You're pointing out behavioral questions, not not social

Eugina>> behavioral problems. >> Yeah. Men, women are equally depressed. They just don't tend to follow through the same >> Wait, I have a question for you. Do you think that, for example, when it comes to uh

Brian Atlas>> police brutality, police misconduct, incarceration rates, uh when it comes to African-Americans, do you think that this is evidence of some sort of discrimination in the system?

Brian Atlas>> That was a lot of things at once. I think racism is a real thing and I think economic discrimination is a real thing. >> Okay. you would maybe agree that there would you say that there's a there's

Brian Atlasit's disproportionate the amount of black people that are in jail as compared to white people? >> Yes, it's disproportionate. I think statistically would you say that that's evidence of racism?

Brian Atlas[Music] >> I mean part of it yeah part of it I think it's a lot of things but part of it is racism. The disproportionality that exists between the incarc

Brian Atlasincarceration rate between blacks and whites is actually orders of magnitude greater if you compare men to women. So then because of this disproportion would that be then evidence of sexism

Brian Atlastowards men as it relates to the criminal justice system? >> It wouldn't be sexism. >> Well, hold on. If I could point you to studies that show, for example, that men

Brian Atlasare more likely to get longer prison sentences or more likely to be convicted or more likely to uh for the same crime, same circumstances, they're more likely

Brian Atlasto receive a longer sentence or even get a prison sentence. Maybe the women get off with just probation or something like this or have their char more likely to have their charges dropped. That you

Euginawould have to say that's evidence of some sort of sexism towards men. The people who are sentencing, doing the sentencing and writing the laws, are they men or women? Ma mainly

Eugina>> how again why >> it matters. It matters who's writing the laws, right? >> So with more >> when you created the system that oppresses you, that's on you, right? You created the system. >> No, it's not because most the vast majority of men had no say and have no power.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Do you >> It's a total red herring. But >> the vast majority, but that's I'm talking about the people in power. >> Answer my question. That's a separate topic. Who set up that system? Great. Is

Brian Atlasit Is it evidence of sexism? >> Okay. Can women be sexist towards other women? >> Can women be sexist? >> Can women be sexist towards women? >> Sure. Yeah. >> Can men be sexist towards men?

Eugina>> Yeah. >> Can men be sexist towards men? >> Right. >> Depends on what kind of man they are. Homosexual men. >> Oh my god. What is >> So, >> I mean, these are very general questions. And you want me to give a one

Brian Atlasgeneralized answer? >> You're trying to You're trying to handwave away my my critic trying to be specific. >> You're trying to handwave away the grievances that I'm bringing up here by

Brian Atlassaying, "Well, who set that system up?" >> Well, you're saying it's sexism. It has to do with other things. Even under the feminist worldview, they

Brian Atlasargue that patriarchy also hurts men. >> Sure. So the the so even under your worldview, I kind of >> have contentions with the patriarchy theory, >> but even under your worldview of the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy's existence, it would also hurt men. >> I'm not arguing that men don't suffer. That's not my argument. >> Or because this country >> So men didn't set anything up as a monolith either. Most of women, which I mean perhaps the Supreme Court is going

Brian Atlasto go this way. >> Hypotheticals that aren't real. >> Okay, >> look at go look at the majority. Just go look at who's in charge. Are you pro-choice or pro-life? >> Choice. Yeah. >> Okay, cool. If it happens to be the case that we lived in a matriarchy,

Brian Atlas>> we don't. >> But let's say we did some lag reported, but the numbers the >> it's fine. Um, okay. If we lived in a matriarchy and this matriarchy uh was

Brian Atlasanti-abortion and you I'm assuming you're since you're in favor of abortion >> of choice, >> you're inventing you're a great science fiction writer. We don't live in that reality.

Brian Atlas>> Oh wow. Hypotheticals are to test the logic. Great. So back to my question. >> Back to my question. If we lived in the matriarchy and this and uh you know it was there was a female president and the Supreme Supreme Court. It was like six female That would be great. That'd be

Brian Atlasamazing. >> That'd be wonderful. And they outlawed abortion entirely. >> Would Would that then justify in your Would you be okay with abortion being illegal? Women wouldn't outlaw abortion.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. Just to be clear, the majority Hold on. The majority of pro- lifers, I think, are women. >> Women over 50%. >> I'm not sure. The majority, if it wasn't for men, we would have abortions. >> I'll even grant that it's not. Let's

Brian Atlasassume it's the case for the sake of the hypothetical. Would you then handwave away women's griev women's complaints about the current state of affairs of the country not allowing abortions?

Brian AtlasWould you handwave it away because it's a matriarchy or because women set that system up? >> Again, you're making this way more complicated than men. >> I'm not. Just answer the question.

Eugina>> Your hypothetical doesn't make sense to me. So your hypothetical of women being in charge and outlawing logically you couldn't compreh

Brian Atlas>> is it logically possible that there could be a majority of women who are prolife like it's logically possible that could be the case right

SPEAKER_03>> groups tend to act in their own favor right it's not in women's favor to outlaw abortion >> well you're just saying he's just saying that >> wait groups Wait and do you think Wait groups act groups tend to act for themselves, right?

Brian Atlas>> So the the patriarchy that existed that had control, why did they grant women the right to vote? >> Because of a lot of fighting on behalf on the behalf of women.

SPEAKER_03>> If it's if it's not in the interest of the patriarchy, why did the patriarchy grant women the right to vote? >> World War I. Because of World War I, a lot of men were killed in World War I

Brian Atlasand then women got the right to vote. >> Amen. Okay, that's incoherent. Back to my question. Why don't you engage in good faith with a hypothetical? If there was a matriarchy >> and this the the women in power, you

Brian Atlasknow what? >> Hm. >> Wait, wait, hold on. Question. Does a matriarchy or a patriarchy have to be democratic? >> It doesn't have to be. >> It doesn't like you would agree that a

Brian Atlasmatriarchy or a patriarchy doesn't have to be democratic. Like we've had patriarchies in history that were monarchies. You're conflating democracy with feminism and other things. >> Just answer the question. I'm trying to

SPEAKER_01get to the point. >> I think what he's I'm just >> You lost me. >> No, literally what you think. You're saying that your problem is >> Oh my god. >> You lost me. >> Is it logically possible?

Brian Atlas>> Because men make the rules. >> Your problem is men make the rules. He's saying if women make the rules, would it make a difference? That's it. >> Okay. But if they did, if if there was a matriarchy and this matriarchy was

Brian Atlaspro-life and prevented women entirely from getting abortions, would you be okay with the handwaving of women with who lived within that matriarchy saying, "hm, I want to be able to get access to

Kelly (Cars)abortions." Would you be like, "Well, hoops. Oh, who set that system up?" >> Use a different example than abortion. I feel like she's like, "Well, women would whatever." I'm like, "Okay, they >> I don't believe that everything women say and do is the correct thing." That's

Euginawhat you're saying. >> That's not answering my question. >> No, you're saying that I would believe in abortion in pro-life if a matriarchy was pro-life because women everything women say and do is correct. >> I'm really trying to understand the

Brian Atlasquestion. You >> This is conceptually above me. When I've brought up male grievances, your retort, your red herring is to say, "But who set that system up?" >> It's not a red herring.

Brian Atlas>> It is a red herring. >> Did women set up the laws that are making men alive themselves, >> right? That does not contend with the actual argument that's being made. It's a distraction from the conversation

Euginathat's actually occurring. So, it precisely is that it is a red herring. >> Again, again, just very simply, I believe everyone suffers equally, right? I'm not saying anyone suffers. Yes, I do

Euginafor many different reasons. There's many different reasons people suffer other than sexism. >> My only contention is that women, right, are not lesser than men. That's literally it. That's literally it. Okay.

Brian AtlasWe're in agreement. You're a feminist. Congratulations. >> No, not a feminist. >> Not a feminist. >> Congratulations. >> Oh my god. Okay, Ryu, sorry for the delay here. Um, thank you. We have chats

SPEAKER_00coming. Chad's coming in. Excuse me. [Music] Rau2,985 donated $200. I live in MN. My lawyer literally told me that trying to fight

SPEAKER_00for custody of my son was a waste of time because she was most likely going to get custody. Why is that the case when I chose to leave? >> I hope you still fought for him.

Brian Atlas>> I hope that I hope that's not directed to me. >> Is it directed to me again? What? >> Hopefully not. Uh, thank you, Rayu. Or yeah, I appreciate it. Can I at least

Brian Atlasget an answer to the hypothetical? So, really simply, let's say we were >> let's say Okay, here. >> I think they're all suff They're suffering now. You're making women suffer, dude. >> That's great. >> I'm going to try to frame it. I'm going

Brian Atlasto try to reframe it one more time and hopefully I can get an answer. Otherwise, I'm going to just move it on, I guess. >> Okay. So, let's frame it like this. >> Yeah. >> You are pro-choice and you're arguing

Brian Atlaswith somebody who's pro-life. And in this hypothetical society that you live in, it's matriarchal. The president's a woman. The systems of government

Brian Atlaspredominated by women. Uh there's seven of nine of the justices on the Supreme Court are women. And there were laws passed completely outlawing abortion.

Brian AtlasAnd these laws were passed by women. And you're trying to say, well, it's really unfair that women don't have access to abortion. And I just instead of actually contending with your argument for why or

Brian Atlaswhy not abortion should or should not be legal, I simply handwave it away by saying, well, who set this system up? Maybe you should, you women should look

Euginabecause at your >> When I say who set this system up, that's not a call to blame men. I'm saying, well, men should also have a problem with the laws they've set up, right? >> We literally clarified that earlier, so that doesn't work.

EuginaIf you don't agree with the way things are, you should be uh trying to change the way things are. So if you don't agree with the way things are set up currently against men, then you have the right to

Euginafight for whatever you think is set up against you, >> right? But you're >> you think the society is set up against men is what you're arguing. Society is unfairly prejudiced towards men. Yeah,

Brian Atlasyou asked me. >> You asked for examples of ways in which men >> and you said homelessness and suicide. >> Can I say >> I'm alive? God damn, you're struggling with that one. >> Sorry.

Brian Atlas>> Um, >> yeah, there's you forced forced military conscription. There's all kinds of things. >> There's no forced military conscription right now. There's only a selective service, not a draft.

Eugina>> But men are >> in America. There's no draft. You're not being drafted. But you have to sign up. >> That's still That's still an injustice. >> The selective service. >> Yes. The selective service is an injustice. >> Then they should also make women sign up

Amanda (Security)for it if that's what you want. >> They should, but they aren't. >> Okay. I agree with you. I agree with you. That should be for that. >> Should be signed up for that. >> I mean, women are in the military. It's not like women aren't in the military. >> They can volunteer >> and so can men,

Brian Atlas>> right? >> They can both volunteer. But the current laws on the books, >> only men would be subject to force military. >> Okay, I agree with you. I think that

Euginashould change. Why is it again? There's countries where women are also drafted or put into the military. Very, very few. And even then, often times, even if there was forced military conscription

Euginafor women, they're not going to be put on the front lines typically. >> Okay, I agree. There should be an equality there. I'm not disagreeing with you against conscription. My grandmother was in the military in the Soviet Union. It doesn't

Brian Atlasmatter. >> I love it. That's great. Okay, I'm going to move it on. Pasty George, he says, "Chair 2, if feminism exists to prevent regression, then why are we in a a worker shortage and birth rate crisis?

Brian AtlasWhy are modern women voting on laws that are harmful to children and newborn life?" >> Facts. >> Who is this? Who is this for? >> Chair. for you. Chair two.

Eugina>> Oh boy. Okay. Um, what was it again? I was really not paying attention that time. >> Go ahead. Read it. >> I'm not seeing where it is. Oh, it's there. Okay.

Eugina>> It's on screen. >> Prevents. Then why are we in a worker shortage? Uh, okay. Animals don't like to mate in captivity generally. That's the birth rate crisis. That's men and women. Wait,

Eugina>> that's not just women are the sole reason for the birth rate. >> What? >> Because we're living in a society that's making wanting to have kids less and less of a a happy option. We live in a society.

Brian Atlas>> All right, that's great. Uh, so >> the economic system is not great right now. >> Thank you. Looks like you bought like a uh a hoodie and a t-shirt. Thank you for that. Appreciate it, someone. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh, we're going to do some quick shoutouts here,

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Brian AtlasRead 100, TTS 200. Let's see. Uh, yeah. Yeah. All right. We need to get back into the dating stuff. God damn it. >> I know. On God. On God. >> All right.

Brian Atlas>> Please. >> Let me get into the show notes here. Um, oh, wait. We have Pasty George here. All right. He wants to continue it. I never got my high school diploma and have worked since I was 16 and I still can

Brian Atlasfollow Brian's hypotheticals. Didn't you get a PhD or something? Stop being bad faith and stupid on purpose. Yeah, she she wanted she wouldn't engage with >> hypothetical being that was a hypothesis that's not based in anything.

Eugina>> Okay, explain to me what what a hypothetical is. >> It's something >> here. Question. >> It was a bad faith hypothetical. >> How is it a bad faith hypothetical? >> Cuz again, like I said, a matriarchy wouldn't vote in against itself.

Brian Atlas>> No, it was literally just the exact example you used. >> You acknowledge Wait, are there currently Supreme Court justices who are women who are against abortion? Yes, individually there's women against

Brian Atlasabortion. >> Okay. Are there prolife women? >> Yes. But not as a mass group. >> But okay. The proportion my

Brian Atlasunderstanding I maybe we can Google it. The proportion of uh of prolifers. I think it's even more than men. There are more women who are pro-life than men are.

Eugina>> We can go look that up. How many? >> Sure. I mean can we Nick? Can you Google? >> Women are predominantly pro-life. And the pro-life movement, it's mostly women. >> Wait, the So the pro You just said the pro-life movement.

Brian Atlas>> That's what I'm Is that true? The pro-life movement is mostly women. >> I don't know the exact >> Is there a statistic on that? >> Wait, you do realize like Donald Trump won the popular vote?

Brian Atlas>> What do you think? >> Other reasons than just what do you think what the the gender breakdown was of who voted? Nick, find the gender breakdown for uh for this most recent election for who voted for Donald Trump.

EuginaMaybe I can find it, too. >> This is not a political show. >> Hold on. Wait. So, >> okay. Donald Trump wasn't elected purely on the basis of men versus women. There

Brian Atlaswere economic reasons. There were national like war reasons, >> right? And patriarchies or matriarchies could be established not just on the sole basis of the abortion topic.

EuginaOkay, if anyone can follow him, good luck to them. >> That's exactly what I said. I was like, use a different example because the the four women. >> You're trying to make it complicated for no reason. >> Question for you. >> How would you feel if you hadn't had

Euginabreakfast this morning? >> I didn't actually. I don't feel great. That's why I look >> No, I fell for it. I didn't I didn't eat breakfast. >> Oh, she fell. The PhD fell for it. >> I didn't eat breakfast. Yeah. What? >> How would you feel if you didn't eat

Brian Atlasbreakfast? The big What's the big thing I fell for? >> Yeah. But how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast? >> I I'd feel bad right now. I feel bad I didn't eat breakfast. >> Right. But okay, I'm going to go.

Eugina>> I'd feel bad. That's my answer. >> She failed you failed the hypothetical test. >> I'd feel bad. >> I would feel strong. >> No, but you said you didn't eat breakfast. >> I like to live in some semblance of reality, which is why I'm not good at these hypotheticals, cuz they have no

Euginabasis in anything. >> I mean, why are you a feminist then if you like to live in reality? Okay. >> Okay. You won. >> We should all We should all be Saudi Arabia.

SPEAKER_03>> We should all be veiled and everything. >> Fairfare to jump from one extreme to the other. You're like, I guess we're just in Saudi Arabia. >> Do you have a breakdown? >> I don't understand why you're >> like nailing. >> No, no, no. Can you pull it up?

Brian Atlas>> I mean, >> how do you think I How do you think I feel right now? >> Uh, okay. Oh boy. >> Um, okay. 44. Wait.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, they're still talking about this. >> Hold on. >> Can you find just like something on pro-life, though? Like gender breakdown in the pro-life movement.

Pia>> Just curious. Just curious. >> I'm I'm sorry. I didn't mean for this I didn't mean for this to happen. >> All these women hate you now. >> I'm just going to be really quiet the whole time. >> We got to give chair 2 a little break.

Brian AtlasOkay. Yeah, we do. Come on. >> Yeah, we need to talk to We're We're Don't worry, we're going to investigate your electrical skills. >> Oh, yeah. Tell you all about >> except teach a light bulb. >> There it is.

Brian Atlas>> Wait, you just There's a lot of different one ones and a lot of them are surveys. So, you want >> Just show me one. That's fine. We won't linger on it. >> Show me what you got. Uh, young women

Brian Atlasmore likely than young men to strongly oppose. Wait, strongly oppose? Oh, okay. Mhm. >> Yeah. But I I'm looking more so for >> Oh, so that's from our side.

Kelly (Cars)>> That is on our side. Oppose abortion. They don't want it. >> Yeah. >> Oppose abortion restrictions means that 55% of women >> are pro-life. >> No. Are opposing abortion restrictions. >> Women are pro-choice.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, this is >> I'm just saying you picked the wrong cherry picked data to pull up. Come on. >> Wait, hold on. Minimize that. Is that the [ __ ] Democrat logo? Hide. Hide us. >> Yeah. Come on. >> Oh, okay. No, it's not that. >> You're pulling up the

SPEAKER_04>> Can I ask you a hypothetical? >> Do write big. Write big. >> It says women oppose abortion restrictions. >> Right big. Hide. Yeah. >> Can I ask you a quick hypothetical since we're doing that a lot? >> Yeah, sure. Didn't you just say you wanted to

Eugina>> It doesn't matter. I I I flip. I'm a flip-flopper. Yeah. Anyway, >> would you have preferred that your mother grew up here in the United States or in somewhere where the laws against

Euginawomen are very regressive? So in India for example or in another country where it's not as good, would you have preferred your mother to grow up there or here?

Eugina>> When have I made an advocation for repressive >> love? I mean you're saying women shouldn't be in the workforce. >> When bro, holy [ __ ] >> We had a whole thing about it. Women

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