4 Kids 4 Dads?! PhD Feminist HEATED DEBATE With Dropout Brian?! POLYCULE E-GIRL?! | Dating Talk #251

Date: 2025-07-14

Duration: 7h 57m

Guests

Brian Atlas

EElizabeth (4 Kids)>

AAmanda (Security)>

JJenna (Bartender)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Eugina(guest)

SPEAKER_06Elizabeth (4 Kids)(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Amanda (Security)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Pia(guest)

SPEAKER_10Julie (SPC)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Kelly (Cars)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Jenna (Bartender)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Sin(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKelly reveals she just exited polycule with non-binary homeless comedian living in hearse

Key MomentElizabeth: 4 kids with 4 different fathers. Tubes tied.

Key MomentBrian announces men's rights nonprofit: child support, alimony, custody reform, banning circumcision

ControversyCircumcision debate: Brian vs Eugina

Key MomentEugina lost virginity at 31 to Black Muslim comedian from TBS show

Key MomentJulie: had sex within 5 minutes of meeting Vegas man, continued seeing him 5-6 times

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Sin, Eugina (PhD feminist), Kelly (polycule exit), Elizabeth (4 kids 4 dads), Amanda, Jenna, Julie (SPC), Pia (electrician).

SPC/Sovereign Citizen Discussion

Julie explains secured party creditor status and ministry.

Elizabeth 4 Kids 4 Dads

Kids at ages 18, 21, 24, 26. Tubes tied.

Circumcision Debate

Brian: genital mutilation should be banned. Eugina: hygiene benefits.

Feminism Extended Debate

Brian vs Eugina: selective service, patriarchy, domestic violence stats.

Eugina Lost Virginity at 31

To Black Muslim comedian from TBS show, met on Hinge in Brooklyn.

Julie Vegas Story

Had sex within 5 minutes of meeting man in Vegas. Continued seeing him 5-6 times.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasThey're they're just as if not more uh >> Okay, so you want to be European then you want America to be more >> this idea there's not a universe it's not universal agreement from the medical

Euginafield when it comes to >> there's no universal agreement on almost anything in science. Yeah, there's some few things that they're universal agreement on >> and it's constantly developing in different places,

Brian Atlas>> right? But I think there's like for example, there's probably like broad univers universal agreement on certain medical things. >> Sure. >> But on this one, there's quite a divide. >> It's money or

Brian Atlas>> it's money. Yeah, they probably just >> they do it in Canada, too. >> Again, I got to move on. Uh, hold on. We were Did somebody over here have something on this? I don't want to cut anybody off. No. Okay. >> Is it okay if I

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, you can go to the bathroom. Go ahead. Uh, okay. So, we have we Where was I? Oh, the Venmo Cash App. Who threw me off? One of you. Okay. Curtis Johnson, thank you for the

Brian Atlas15. Mar, thank for the 10. Uh, Katherine, thank you for the 25. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Katherine. Guys, uh, if you want 100% of your contribution to go towards us, YouTube

Brian Atlastakes 30. These all these platforms take some cut. We get 100% of your patronage through Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod. Also guys, go to twitch.tv/ whatever. Drop us a follow on the prime sub if you

Brian Atlashave one. Guys, a thousand people watching. If you can, I think the prime subs are bugged, boys. Can somebody check if they have an available prime sub and uh drop us a follow in the prime

Brian Atlassub. Also, go to shop.whatever.com because we have somebody made a purchase. just says someone. Doesn't say the name, but uh looks like they bought a t-shirt. Thank you so much, man. Really appreciate it. That's shop

Brian Atlaswhatever.com. Nick, do you want to pull it up really quick? Guys, get get yourself a t-shirt. Uh we got some cool shirts. Big Labia Matter. You can wear the same thing I'm wearing. We got a cool uh coffee mug. We got some We got some good stuff. So,

Brian Atlas>> sweatshirt. Very progressive. >> Yeah. Very, you know, very nice. Little simp. >> All right. Two chats coming in here. We have, let's see, actually religious chair 2. Oh, you know what? Here, I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to pull it back up when she's uh back because that's directed at her. Hold on. That's going to take a sec. Uh, also guys, oh, wait here. Let me Do I have time? Okay, Lucas, let's be real.

Brian AtlasYour gripe Oh, wait. I'm going to wait until she's back. I don't want to screw people over. Okay, read 100 TTS 200 if you want to get a message in, guys. If you're enjoying the stream, uh, like the video. Also, discord.gg/ whatever. Okay.

Brian AtlasYes, that would be great if you start an MRA group. Chair 3 is disgusting for Rolling Horizon. talking about custody and child support reform. She has no idea the level of female evil in courts. Chair three, that's you. Were you rolling your eyes? I guess.

Kelly (Cars)>> Uh yeah, it seems a little silly to me when that conversation comes up. I feel like a lot of people say that um women like we didn't 100% pivot that way, but I thought that's the direction in my

Kelly (Cars)head that women are like having children to like capitalize on like child Yeah. What is it? Children. Yeah. It's like $500 a month to pop out a kid. Like are you going to ruin your body for like whatever? Not that much money.

Sin>> $500 a month to pop out a kid. >> Yeah. Like I'm saying child support isn't that much. So I don't think like women weaponize having kids. >> That's not true. I get a really good amount of child support. >> There's people that a good amount of child support. >> Oh, look. Wait. Uh how old's your kid?

Brian Atlas>> 10 and seven. >> And you Wait, it's two fathers. >> One. >> Oh, sorry. So, sorry. I'm getting confused with the other one. Sorry. Okay. >> Through marriage. >> Uh and so how much do you get paid for

Sin>> for one? Uh or are you getting child support for just wedding right now? >> Child support for both. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. What's the numbers like or the breakdown >> together? It'd be like 12 >> 1,200 together and then individually

Sin>> they're probably like six six and six. >> That is not enough money for me to look after a whole child. >> It's not. But that's not just what he does. The thing is um see through the custody papers I have everything the kids

Sin>> I have the my kids. So the paperwork says that I the kids are with me like 90% of the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, they go based on that and he works full time and everything, but he gets them like 50% of the time. >> That's about what I said, though. Like $500 kids, >> but he's not supposed to like, you know,

Elizabeth (4 Kids)pay that much for the amount of time that he's spending. You know what I mean? >> There's also people that like will go and purposely get pregnant with like someone famous for the money. >> Even with anybody. >> Sure. There's people I like I like to talk about

Kelly (Cars)>> women. They get pregnant just to trap a guy that don't want him. >> Sure. There's people who do all kinds of crazy shitty things. There's guys that break the condom to trap a woman. Who knows? Okay, but let's not talk about the exception. >> What guys really do? What? There's no guy going out there, oh, let me get this

Kelly (Cars)girl pregnant like a keeper. >> Exactly. Let's talk about the exception. Let's talk about You think most women are like going out there and trapping men? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Did you? >> Yes. I didn't. I was married, but they do. >> So, what context clues give you that?

Sin>> What I Well, anecdotally, I have a lot of friends that would do that. There's a lot of friends that would pretend they were pregnant also. >> That's a whole separate issue. How is you're still trapping them for something? You know, >> pretending being a pathological liar and

Kelly (Cars)pretending that you're pregnant are is very difficult. >> Oh, she'll eventually get pregnant. >> But like utilize bring Okay, if you would bring life into this world for $600 a month each child, that's a you problem. >> Is that not the purpose why you're bringing a child into the world? >> I never wanted to get divorced.

Kelly (Cars)>> No, >> you know, >> that's not why you bring a kid in. >> But that's not the only source of income either. >> Of course. Yeah. I'm just saying like when people say that women weaponize having children for >> they do. >> I feel like a lot of women do. >> I have kids. So >> then guys, you should get into sales or

Kelly (Cars)something because there's way more money to be made and you don't have to look after the kids. >> Have you had kids? >> No. >> That's why I was rolling my eyes. I guess I was uneducated. >> Guilty. >> I'm sorry.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Anyways, moving on. Uh we're going to get into some more of the show notes. Uh let's go with uh Julie, starting with you. Uh, what do you say to a man who

Julie (SPC)messages in a friendly way but who you know has a greater interest? That was your question. It seems rude to just say you're not interested. >> Yeah. If someone is interested um in you and they message and and uh they haven't

Julie (SPC)actually said, you know, hey, would you like to go out or hey, I like you or or whatever the case may be, but you don't but you don't want to lead someone on. How do you respond which would otherwise be a normal a friendly response because you don't want

Brian Atlasto lead that person on? What's the proper way to handle that? >> So, just I want to repeat back to you just so I make sure that I understood it. So, a guy is like conversating with you. You have no interest. You suspect he has interest, but he hasn't stated he

Brian Atlashas interest yet. You think he has interest, but he's just like creating conversation. I'm assuming you don't want to be talking to him. is that >> if it was strictly in a friend capacity, that would be fine. But I I don't really

Julie (SPC)have anything to say. >> Um so I don't know if I'd call it a friend. But um >> but what's the polite manner? >> How do you

Julie (SPC)>> uh Well, I mean it's kind of hard because if the guy hasn't overtly like has he asked you to lunch or something? a long time ago, he asked if I would

Brian Atlaslike to go to some thing in another state with him, and I I I didn't respond >> because I mean, it's usually easier to make a definitive sort of statement immediately after they've tried to move things forward in some sort of way if

Brian Atlasit's just a casual conversation. It might come across a little out of the blue, but you could just be like, "Hey, listen. Uh, you know, it was really nice meeting you. You seem like a cool guy.

Brian AtlasI'm just not really looking for anything right now." And uh but I wish you luck in what you're looking for. >> Well, that's nice. >> And then what about uh >> I'd ignore thinking of you.

Brian Atlas>> Don't think of you. >> What do I say to that? >> But like in a romantic like as a friend type. >> Well, we're not friends. >> So he's trying to get with you. >> Keep it. >> So what's >> You can just be like, "Oh, hey, I really

Brian Atlasappreciate the compliment, but you know, honestly, I'm not really looking for anything right now. Um, I mean, if you want I'm okay with kind of like little white lives. You could be like, "Hey, I'm seeing somebody." If you're not seeing somebody, what? I don't I

Brian Atlas>> Do you think it's okay to segue into saying, you know, I'm not I'm not really looking to see anyone right now, even though that wasn't directly asked. >> Uh, I mean, the only problem you might run into there is he's just going to be like, "Okay, well, I'll just hit you up when you are ready." Although maybe some

Brian Atlasguys are going to take the hint. But, uh, you could honestly I would I think little white lies are fine. I think most guys are going to stop if you're like, "Hey, I'm seeing somebody." Or if you want to be more direct, you could be like, "Hey, thank you so much." But I

Julie (SPC)just don't really think there's a connection here. >> It's like a business email. >> I think you should be polite. I don't know. I've done that before, too. A passive like, "Oh, thank you. I appreciate that." But ultimately, I I don't think that that's right either.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you need to make a definitive statement >> saying like you're not interested. >> So, >> that's fair. >> I would just try to be diplomatic about it. You can say, "Hey, thanks for the

Brian Atlascompliment." Or, you know, whatever they say, but um I just not sure if we're the right fit. >> All the best. >> But yeah. Yeah. Uh okay. And then you said, "Not all men command submission,

Julie (SPC)meaning they're not dominant enough to make a woman naturally submit." All men command submission. >> Yeah. So I think uh I don't think all men

Julie (SPC)command it, if that makes sense. Right. Like, so for example, I know um like the the way Andrew sees things is ultimately you're submissive to whoever you're with and that's it.

Julie (SPC)>> But if you have a if someone who's more um like they don't take charge, >> sure, >> I'll word it the other way. When someone does take charge, it naturally falls in

Brian Atlasline to where you're naturally submissive. >> Mhm. >> Does that make sense? But then I guess I would just say don't if that's the kind of relationship dynamic you want or are

Brian Atlasdesirous of don't date somebody who's not meeting that threshold of uh whatever you're looking for. I guess >> no I completely agree but I don't but I

Julie (SPC)think it's a little challenging to uh how do how do you uh screen people and say hey I'm looking for someone who's nice and dominant. >> Well they should be that way kind of upfront. Don't you think >> the the male

Brian Atlas>> right? Like wouldn't you know kind of immediately >> you have a very masculine man who isn't actually dominant. >> Okay. Well, are you okay dating a masculine man who's not dominant?

Brian Atlas>> I prefer the dominance. >> Okay. >> Uh well, I mean, so he's a he's a masculine man, but he does what? Like he he's like you're like

Brian AtlasWait, let me try to think of an example here.

Julie (SPC)You're you're asking him what's the plan for dinner and he's like whatever you want. Is that would that be an example >> or even the fact that you have to ask him? >> No, not necessarily. I I obviously

Julie (SPC)there's I shouldn't say obviously you're you're going to have >> regular communication. Hey babe, what you want for dinner? >> Whatever the case is. I don't know. I

Julie (SPC)have a hard time um ex explaining that. But I do feel like with someone who is I it's maybe it's more so just a way a man carries himself commands that

Brian Atlas>> the aura. >> Um I don't know. Sorry I'm okay. Not the best at >> No, you're fine. >> Outlining. >> You're fine. >> Um I mean that makes sense. I mean there

Brian Atlasare men who you encounter when dating who are more or less dominant and you don't feel like submitting to those men who are not dominant. Sounds kind of

Brian Atlassimple, right? Do you find what to do? >> I mean, but do you even find yourself struggling to be submissive to men who even do meet your threshold of >> dominance? Oh, okay. Well, >> that's fine.

Brian Atlas>> Cuz I mean, I do think there's there is another component. I'll agree that there's probably men who they're not great leaders. They don't take great initiative. They're not particularly dominant.

Brian AtlasThat might be an issue in and of itself. But then there's also women who even when they're with a, you know, masculine guy, a leader, whatever it is, they don't want to be followers. So if you want to be with a guy who's a leader,

Brian Atlasyou have to be a follower. There can't be >> agreed. >> Two leaders. >> Agreed. >> In a relationship, it's not going to work. Um, you also said Brian or you said you're you're not sleeping with

Brian Atlassomebody as quickly as I guess my expectation cuz you were on the show before and we were having a conversation about like how how soon should you sleep with somebody. Is that correct? >> Right.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um, you said that intimacy is extremely sacred and important. You have zero interest in giving that part of you to somebody you basically just met. A man's DNA and a woman changes her. I

Kelly (Cars)heard about that. What is it? The crypto chime. What is it? Chimeraism or something. >> No. Yeah. No, not I don't mean chimeism. >> I literally had an ex convince me my first ex that maybe that's why I was with him for 4 years. But he literally

Kelly (Cars)told me that like once like someone like goes inside you that your like body forms to them basically and like no sex will ever be as good with anyone else. >> And I believe that [ __ ] I literally

Julie (SPC)believe that [ __ ] I'm like that's that. I'm like my thing has been molded. Okay, cool. >> Really? But but no, obviously I I'm responding to like your comments, you

Julie (SPC)know, frequently. You'll you'll say, uh, I, you know, I'm not going to wait around for 3 months to be with someone. And I'm not addressing the the false virtue or anything of that nature, right? Just in general. Um, so so not

Julie (SPC)obviously just you, but any men who are like that in that sense, expecting to have sex so quickly. Um, I I I don't see

Julie (SPC)I'm I'm just arguing in the sense of it should probably be longer because my plan is to be with that person that that to be the last person that I'm with.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well, question for the entire table or maybe uh what what how long do you think you should wait until having sex? Starting with you. Depends on the date. >> Into the mic.

Kelly (Cars)>> Depends on the date. >> Okay. What do you think? >> I agree with her. >> Into the mic. >> Sorry. I agree with her. >> Depends on the date. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I would say probably two months. >> Two months. Okay. >> I You said should.

Brian Atlas>> Wait. Question. Oh, should >> you said how long should you? Ideally, probably two months. >> How about how long do you is a better question. >> Probably like three dates. >> Okay. >> I think it matters on the connection. >> Matter depends on the connection. Okay.

Julie (SPC)>> I agree with that too. >> Oh, you agree? Um, I need to be in a committed relationship. So, however long that takes. >> What about you? >> I would definitely agree with that. And I do think it depends. So, for example, I've met people where we've talked

Julie (SPC)almost every single day for a month and a half. >> Mhm. >> Constantly speaking, conversing to where like you know that person and then when you finally meet them, then that's

Julie (SPC)fairly quick. But, for example, with my uh husband or former husband um waited three months. >> Okay. What about you? >> I think if it um if it looks like it's

Brian Atlasgoing to be something serious um probably a month and a half. >> If it looks like it's going to be something serious, >> what if it looks like it's not going to be something serious? >> Then I wouldn't

Piaright away. >> Yeah. Well, why waste time? Why would I want to hang out? Why continue if it's not going to turn into anything serious? >> That's the >> But so you're saying you would just not do anything with them? I mean, you're talking about having sex with them,

Brian Atlasright? >> Yeah. Like, would you have a casual encounter? >> Nah, I'm not into that. >> Okay. So, for all of your guys' answers,

Brian AtlasI want a show of hands. Have you ever ever had sex shorter than that? Like in a shorter length of time than what y'all just said? >> No.

Brian Atlas>> Show of hands. Really? Okay. No. Nobody's had like a one night stand or you hooked up with somebody like the first, second, third date. >> Yeah, >> that's what I was gonna say. Literally the penalty

Kelly (Cars)my last like three relationships I'm like every time I go to like >> f the rebound and I'm like okay I'm going to get over this guy. Oh yeah, this guy's poly and lives in his hurts. There's no way I'm going to like get sucked into this. Every time I sleep with someone, I feel like I end up down the relationship pipeline with them. So

Kelly (Cars)it's >> okay. It's like chemical. >> Like you can get into a relationship and have it be a long-term relationship and sleep with the person super quick too. >> Yeah. I'm just saying you shouldn't probably because it always ends up in a

Kelly (Cars)relationship for me. I'm like even if you know objectively beforehand they're like ah they're not [ __ ] They're not worth my time. And then the second you hook up it's like >> what's that? >> Oh take a look. And just >> you form that connection with them. >> You do. It's like literally chemical.

PiaI'm like damn why these looking kind of cute. >> I'm not on like any kind of crusade about it. I just feel like, you know, personally, like if I'm not going to if I don't feel like this is something that's going to evolve into a real relationship, I'm just not going to spend further time investing in you. I

Brian Atlasmean, what's the point? >> You shouldn't cuz it will go further and be put out. I feel like >> typically, >> h there was something, Nick, I'm going to send you something to pull up here, except it's taken forever for me to find

Brian Atlasit. Freaking Dropbox. Okay, here. I'm going to send it private chat. It's related to this conversation. Uh, you're going to make it open it outside of Drop Dropbox if that makes sense. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> And while we're doing that, I'm just going to read a couple chats, then we'll get right back to the conversation. Uh, yo, Matt, thank for the super chat. Appreciate it. >> No kissing for the F. Damn, man. That what? Okay. Well, all right.

Brian Atlas>> God's strongest soldier. >> Good for you, Matt. >> Gets laid a lot. >> Well done. Uh, Lucas says, "Let's be real. Your gripe with the podcast is that it shines a light on an evergrown cohort of abhorentt female behavior

Brian Atlastogether with the covert vein of misandry cloaked under a guise of egalitarian feminism. All of which is tacitly endorsed by the sisterhood. That's for you. Do you have a response? >> That's for me.

Eugina>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Were you >> I don't really have this uh vehement opinion on dating, but uh I don't know. Again, it takes two to tango, right? Men like to string women along generally,

Euginawomen like to be in relationships, and men like to waste women's time generally. That's my experience with uh female friends that I have. >> Wait, did was that even a response to the

Kelly (Cars)>> Well, I don't know. I didn't get the question that women are abhorent and men are not abhorent. >> No, that your gripe with the pro podcast is that it shines a light on our the the fall of the west. Basically,

SPEAKER_03>> the fall of the west lies on the backs of our back, right? Our fault. >> No, I'm not saying that. I'm just summarizing cuz I don't know all the terms. I didn't go to college. >> It doesn't involve two people. It only involves us. >> No, they were just saying what your

Euginagripe with the podcast is. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. My gripe with the podcast is that it's describing women as abhorent female. >> And he's saying that the only reason you have a gripe with it is because >> I think that's what Lucas was saying. >> Why did that happen? >> Yeah. He was literally just saying it's

Euginayour only problem with it is that it shines a light. It gives platform to the degeneracy >> of women, >> the degradation of the or the west, whatever. >> It doesn't involve two parties. It's just women that are degraded. >> The one that could have access to the

Sinmen. >> That's a what? >> And men are not involved whatsoever in any negotiation. >> At the end of the day, the woman's the one that lays on her back and accepts it. >> Whoa. Okay. See, I think they're both

Brian Atlas>> not all the time. >> Sexist. I don't think Thank you, whoever bought some merchandise. I don't know why it just says someone. Uh, so I don't know. Someone. All right. Thank you. Someone >> shout out you.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, # big matter. Nick, do you have that? Or actually, wait, before we do that, there were two chats I need to do. We have actually religious chair 2. Feminism is everything that's wrong with current society. Since you're

Brian Atlasstudying feminism, you should read Rachel's book, Occult Feminism. Feminism is hurting both men and women. Your response to that?

EuginaAgain, I don't lay the blame for the decline of Western culture entirely on feminism. I think feminism overall has benefited

Euginaus in general because our grandmothers and great-grandmothers weren't having as good a time. So, uh I think the decline of the West is not necessarily entirely the fault of

Brian Atlaswomen or feminism. >> Can you paint a picture of you said grandmothers were not having a great time. Can you paint a picture of what you're talking about? And is this universal? Like all grandmothers were

Euginahaving a bad time. Some grandmothers 50% >> generally speaking historically, right? Yeah. >> Our mothers, all of our mothers

Eugina>> had a better experience going through life having more just choices to be a human being and how they wanted to live versus, let's say, our mother's great-g

Kelly (Cars)grandandmother. I would say that's like so there's so many variables that you're ignoring on that though. I would say yeah that's true but it's because my great-grandparents were like first generation in like >> No, there's different variables. I'm just saying

Eugina>> like what does that have to do >> in a general historical sense? Women of a previous generation not the modern one had a more curtailed life. >> I would agree. And so I think that most

Kelly (Cars)people's gripe is that they feel that it stopped >> being like having need having a disparity like probably whatever your time frame is 10 30 50 years ago and things have been equal for a long time.

Kelly (Cars)So then it's like we don't need like any more improvement for the future gener.

Eugina>> Are you saying you think women today are happier than they were than your grandparents are? >> I can't I don't know how to measure happiness. I'm saying in general the

Euginarights to be who you are in the world have expanded over time for everybody but also for women.

EuginaHis mother grew up in a post- feminist society, right? Everyone's mother grew up in a post- feminist society. >> And I would say that our great-grandmothers

Euginauh might have not enjoyed as much as our mothers enjoyed growing up in a post- feminist society. So, >> I think the quality of life is getting better in general. They didn't have like Uber. They didn't have like all these all these convenience.

Eugina>> It's part of it. It's all part of it. It's progress. It's all part of the march towards whatever. Where do you think women got the idea that they should be um out working or um

Eugina>> Well, women didn't get any idea. >> World War II pushed women into the workforce basically cuz men were fighting. >> Wasn't meant to be forever. >> Exactly. But that was that was but that

Euginawas the outcome. >> It pushed women into the workforce and after that there was a many men were murdered in the World War II, right? there was a massive slaughter of men and so after that women

Sinwere in the workforce. It was a historical thing. It wasn't a decision. >> But weren't they just making like bullet cases or something like it wasn't like they were like >> they were making munitions. They were building munitions.

Eugina>> They work in factories mostly. >> They do now still. So >> yeah, that's what pushed women and they stayed there cuz that's, you know, it was just what happened. It wasn't necessarily due to feminism. It was cuz there was a war. >> But they kept us there because of

Euginafeminism. >> No, actually, didn't they? A lot of >> No, they went back. Women went back into the 1950s was a retraction. Women went back into homemaking. >> But who cares about these like romanticized like time periods of like whatever the because that was the

Euginagreatest time ever. >> No, I'm just What was the greatest time? >> The 50s. >> Okay. >> Please. >> I mean, I didn't listen. I'm not responsible for what women decided to do in the 60s and 70s. It wasn't for men,

Euginawe wouldn't have them anyways. Men were the majority decision makers of what we have right now. >> So, thank >> in terms of women's rights, women were the ones responsible, not men. >> In terms of actual legal,

Sin>> who allowed you to be, you know, >> women were actually fighting back, unfortunately. >> Oh, I want to vote and stuff. It was men. Men were the ones that granted everything. >> Okay. Why do you give so much credit to men though? >> Because they're the ones that gave us this. They built this. They gave us

Piathis. Well, I think she's right in saying if men had made an a general decision that no, we are not going to allow women to work in the workforce, they would not be working in the workforce. >> So, at some point they decided, sure, go ahead, get a job if you want to get a

Euginajob. >> There were different situations. So, like the first wave, right? First wave of feminism, if we're talking about feminism, >> the first wave of feminism, they men

Euginaweren't deciding anything. Women were throwing themselves under horses at races, horse races. They were >> putting They were putting bombs in mail.

EuginaThey were putting bombs in mailboxes. >> Just look it up. England. Look up. There's a film. There's a film about it. Carrie Mulligan. But that was how they got the right to vote in England >> in the UK. They don't have guns.

Kelly (Cars)>> Okay. >> No, I'm just saying that's I'm just I'm just stating factual information. All I was going to say is I feel like the pitfalls is like we're all like fighting invisible arguments and not everything should be like entirely gendered like that. Like sure there's pitfalls of society. Men aren't to give credit for

Kelly (Cars)for everything. Um and I don't think we're any of us are saying that men are to give credit for for everything. >> Think your washing machine and your lights and your fridge. >> So like you're saying that >> that's all part of it. The convenience

Euginathat also helped that gave women more time cuz before that women were having to do all of it physically make it easier at home. So that more time thanks to like uh technology that also was part

Kelly (Cars)of it. You know it's all part of you know it's all integrated into one thing. It doesn't matter. >> No. >> And then we still had to take our shoes off when we got here. Sexism is still alive and well on YouTube. >> It's true.

Brian Atlas>> That's not what I'm >> So I guess can you can you explain a little better though? I was asking you. So you're saying that >> in the grandma's generation, great

Brian Atlasgrandmas beyond like going further back beyond that. >> Yeah. >> What what was the I guess differential choice like women had more choice? Sorry, less choice.

Eugina>> Women did not have as much of uh legal personhood as they do now. Women had less legal, economic, social personhood.

EuginaNow they have more autonomy. >> That's it. It's legal and it's uh also economic. It's mainly economic actually. >> I'd agree. Equal opportunities.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But so I I mean there's a whole bunch of angles to approach this from. Um so yeah, I guess there's more choice now. I'm not sure if these choices have led women to make decisions that make them more or less happy. Um

Eugina>> well, I don't know. Maybe people here want to go back and live in whatever time, but I think everyone's happy living now, right? >> Choice. I mean, >> no one here is trying to go back to 19 whatever.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, there does seem to be some dispute over this. I mean, this idea though um >> I mean, this idea that women are going to find ultimate fulfillment in a career versus

Euginahaving a family and children and we can see this with the declining birth. >> I don't agree with that. I don't agree that there's ultimate fulfillment in just a career. >> I do. >> I think it's You think it's just a

Euginacareer? Yeah, I think you >> I think everything is uh the same as it is for men. Men are fulfilled by family and a career. So are women. >> Well, do you do you think that men and

Euginawomen are exactly the same? >> No, I don't. I just think that we're all to put the burden of only family on

Euginawomen is uh I'm saying unfair because women are also human beings who want to do things sometimes. >> Only fam. Besides that, >> like fam, like families.

Eugina>> Oh, only fams. Yeah, only fams. No, I'm not precluding. I'm not saying only one thing is okay. I'm saying there's more options. You can do more things. >> But what do you think?

Brian Atlas>> Just feels like more work. >> What do you think is uh what would be the from your perspective the best way to arrange society and families?

EuginaI mean, the way they're now is the way they've been. I don't know. I just I don't think there needs to be a retraction. I'm saying as it is now, women can decide what they

Brian Atlaswant to do is fine. I'm not saying retraction. Yeah. Do you think it's the case that it's better for children that the the mothers are doing the bulk or exclusive and just to be clear I'll

Brian Atlasclarify the exclusive caretaking of the children as opposed to the woman goes to work so that she can pay for daycare or

Brian Atlasa babysitter or child care? What do you think it's better for the children that the mother is doing that instead of some stranger that's getting paid $20 an hour

Euginaor less? I mean, I think it's a very case byase thing, right? Everyone raises their kids different. >> Sure. But who do you think is going to take better care of children? >> Well, I can give my example. You want me to give my example? I don't know other

Euginapeople's life. >> Well, anecdotally, maybe your mom are you mom did not do a good job or what? >> No, I was going to say my parents equally raised me. They were both involved equally and they both worked

Brian Atlasequally and I didn't have a nanny. >> Okay. But so >> people arrange things differently, >> right? But >> there is going to be Okay, so just to be clear, your mom and dad, they both

Euginaworked full-time. >> Yeah, both my mom worked the night shift and my dad worked the day shift and they both have the same job, respiratory therapist at the hospital and my dad died and now my mom is still earning a living cuz she went into the same profession as my dad. >> Okay. So that might work for some

Brian Atlaspeople. >> So I'm saying it's case by case. It's not like people arrange their lives differently. >> Sure. And there can be all kinds of arrangements, but you will I assume you can and will acknowledge that a lot of

Brian Atlaswomen if they're both people are in the workforce, they're going to pass on their their kids to child care, daycare, or something like this. >> Mhm. >> Yes, they do that. >> Okay. And do you think that that's

Brian Atlasoptimal? >> No. >> It depends on what daycare they go to. There's good daycares and bad day. >> I don't think it's ever typically a good thing. Like if there's the option for the mother to be taking care of the kids

Euginaversus passing it off to some day daycare, I think it's always better for the mother to be >> well. Women make decisions sometimes to not go to work during the period when

Euginathey really have to be there like from the early years, but then they go back. You're saying like one thing precludes the other, that a woman needs to stop working entirely to raise children.

Brian AtlasThat's not the case. >> Well, it's not the case. you came with or your parents, excuse me, they were able to come to some sort of arrangement that you didn't have to go to child support, but that's obviously not the

Brian Atlascase for all family dynamics. And so I'm just asking simply like, and I I would actually think that your dynamic that you have is perhaps uncommon. I think when situations where both parents have

Brian Atlasto work, there's probably going to be like some third party involved in raising the children, which I think is less ideal than if it was just the mother. >> I mean, I noticed that the women who had the most child care had the most free

Brian Atlastime because I went to school with wealthier people. >> Okay. Well, >> and mothers liked having nannies because they could afford them. >> Do you prioritize free time or do you prioritize time spent raising your children and taking care of your

Euginachildren? I'm saying they're not mutually exclusive. You can do both. You can go to work and raise kids. >> Okay. But so while you're at work, who's taking care of the kids? >> I'm saying you can make the decision to

Euginaleave work while the kids need you to be there full-time. And then once they're at a point where you can have a different arrangement, you can go back to work. You don't have to be at home your entire life because you had a kid.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But am I just am I just making this up? Are you there's not like a child care industry? Like it's you're saying it's really unusual like it's really unusual for there to be daycarees

Brian Atlasand babysitters and child care and nanny. There's a lot of this going on and so like I don't know how big the industry is. >> In previous societies what replaced

Euginadaycare was that it was more of a community thing. You had a family a familial. You had a grandma raising the kid. You had a aunt. You had a this. You had a that. Now you have taking care of

Euginathe child. But that was a very specific set that wasn't universal. Even going back through the ages, there were different things that were happening. People were raising kids different ways. It wasn't always exclusively one

Euginahomemaker. >> Uh yeah, sure. It wasn't exclusive, but that was more so the case than it is the case now. >> It's an idea from the 50s that women are the homemaker and that's it. Then

Euginathere's no one else involved. But if you look at societies anywhere, you notice there's a communal child raising thing happening. >> Which societies are you referencing? >> I don't know. Pick any of them. >> But it's not just one.

Eugina>> You're making the claim. You tell me which societies. >> Even in America, you go back and you look that there was more of a family thing. Extended family. Extended

Brian Atlasfamilies helped raise kids. >> Yeah. I'm okay with grandmas like taking care of the kids, but >> Okay. But that's what happens. >> Okay. Sure. But like are all instances where the mom goes to work? Is it always an immediate family member who's picking

Euginaup the slack? >> The burden of child care has never exclusively been laid on the back of one woman cuz that's impossible. Women have always had help. >> Women have always had help. >> Okay, sure they've had help. But there

Brian Atlasthere would not be a child care industry if it wasn't the case that women were going to work sometime. And again, it's out of necessity. They need to make money because of the current economic status of things. But this childcare

Euginaindustry would not exist. So you're trying to point to well there's all these other dynamics >> childare industry is just a supplement to people who can't have a familiar or familial or community system of support.

Brian AtlasSo they need to pay for it. >> So let me ask like a woman who >> let's say the first five years of a child's life and then you have a woman who has a

Brian Atlas9-to-five job. What is she like from the hours of 9 to5? Where's that child going to be? >> Like like I said, like I said, from the ages of 1 to five, there's women who

Euginamake the decision to stay home and raise kids, but then when the kid is old enough to be in school, they generally tend to go back. >> Maternity leave from work. >> No, I'm saying there's different >> 5 years. You think the typical maternity leave is 5 years?

Eugina>> I'm saying I know women who >> stopped working, right? They took leave. Not I'm not talking maternity leave. I'm just talking they decided to stop working for a period of time when the

Euginakid was still growing up and then they went back to work later. It's not like a lifetime commitment to being at home. >> That's all I'm saying.

Eugina>> Um I mean I don't know. You kind of have like women sort of living. >> I don't know what you think the lifetime of women looks like just sitting at home. They raise their kid. The kids at school they just sit at home when the

Julie (SPC)kids at school. Women do things. They might be lucky how much they're taking care of the house. >> No, but I'm saying that >> once your mom there though little thing following you around

Julie (SPC)>> when you reference uh prior times. Yes, there was a lot of community but ultimately you're you're saying what uh you're yeah you're saying basically the same the same thing that that we're

Julie (SPC)trying to or that I think I would promote is that there was grandmas, there was aunts, there were right there were maternal figures. So even if it's not mom, you still have the maternal figure taking care of the children,

Julie (SPC)right? And I grew up going to daycare, right? That's all I know. So to me, no big deal, right? But I think um in the last few years as as I've u you know come into new information and learn

Julie (SPC)more, I see that this again order exists for a purpose and I think that um the optimal idea is for mothers to raise their children. >> I'm not arguing against mothers raising their children. I know you're not. I'm

Euginasaying women don't have to sit at home their entire life because they have a kid then that's never been the case either. Women always worked. >> No, but it does alter what you're like capable of doing. You can't just up and go to Germany. You can't just like there's all these other

Brian Atlasresponsibilities. >> Hey chat, really quick. Has the stream quality been okay? Because somebody sent me a message telling me the stream quality has not been the best. I think

Brian Atlaslooking at our R our end, the bit rate for the stream is much lower than usual. We might have had some sort of internet issue. Uh chat, can you weigh in though?

Brian AtlasIs the stream quality okay? Has it been okay? Maybe it's fine. Um but uh I'm opening up the chat, but uh >> the floor is yours.

Brian Atlas>> Let me know chat if the stream quality is okay. There there might not actually be it's not great. It's fine. It's fine.

Brian AtlasIt's been good. Good to me. Fine for me. grainy been bad the whole time it's bad. >> Oh.

Brian Atlas>> Um. Oh [ __ ] That sucks. Sucks. >> Yeah. Um I'm not sure why we updated OBS before the show. That could have been why >> the OBS update has been terrible. Terrible.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Maybe the bit rate. Nick, can you hit the settings really quick? We're not I don't think we're going to be able to change it, but Yeah. >> Uh can you go to output?

Brian AtlasOh [ __ ] >> Oh [ __ ] Wait, we might be able to change it. >> Hold on. Uh, okay. You guys continued talking. I'm just gonna >> try to troubleshoot this really quick.

Kelly (Cars)>> Dude, the OBS update was so It was so bad I went back to Streamlabs. I was like, what? I was like, e broke the stream. >> What? You said you do some sort of streaming. Yeah. What do you do? >> Uh, I just started streaming on Twitch

Kelly (Cars)not that long ago. I was doing like IRL streams on YouTube. I do like commentary videos too, but Twitch we game I've been doing like debate stuff. Um, Grid, one of the the big donators. Yeah, he's um he does like debates on YouTube, so he

Kelly (Cars)was the one that >> suggested this. >> So, do you you do debates? >> Uhhuh. I just started. >> What do you debate? What top what topics? >> Uh, modern relationships. We did we did

Kelly (Cars)one. Um, >> it just depends. Like we did one on Oh, sex work. whether >> it's like real work. >> Commentator, >> huh?

Kelly (Cars)>> You said you're a commentator. You comment on stuff. >> Yeah, I've done like some commentary videos. Yeah, that's what I started on YouTube with. Just like stuff and things like nostalgia, boring stuff. What do you guys do? >> Do you Well, are you I'm curious. Are you making money off of it? Are you Is

Kelly (Cars)that what you sought to do? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not what I sought out to do. I I'm like I like making videos. It's not like my full-time hustle or nothing, but I really enjoy making them. They're a lot of fun. And then Twitch has been really cool like community building. Like I feel like there's a lot

Kelly (Cars)of collaboration stuff. It's pretty cool. >> How do you meet people on Twitch? >> Um just like if doing debate panels with them or like I've done stupid little dating shows and stuff. So it's kind of cool too cuz it encourages you to like

Kelly (Cars)co-stream with other people because you all be sharing like your stuff. >> Oh, sorry. Apologies. I always forget. But uh what's your guys' uh biggest regret? Go. I'm Sam. >> What did you say?

Kelly (Cars)>> Nothing. >> You've been coming on this show. >> Yeah, you read my lips very well. >> Forgive me. Say that. >> I'm kidding. >> On like on a genuine note, and this is coming from someone who got my ass like

Kelly (Cars)handed to me on probably three or four debates like when I started. Sometimes a concession goes a far way. And if you're just like, "Okay, maybe I was wrong on this part. I understand your perspective on this." It'll like help move the

Brian Atlasconversation along, you know? Uh, oh, we were going to do the react to that thing. If you can pull it up chat, it should be a little better, guys. Uh, the OBS update screwed me up. I

Brian Atlasapologize if the quality has been poor for the past been live for like two and a half hours. Sorry about that, guys. That was my bad. Updated OBS seems to have fixed one problem and then >> W

Brian Atlas>> caused another one. Uh, you got it, Nick. All right. Make a little Actually, that's good. So, I'm unsure if I should tell my boyfriend this information. I've recently gone Actually, we need a girl to read it because it's in a girl voice.

Kelly (Cars)Why don't you read it? >> I've recently gone official with a man I've been dating for a couple of months. He's kind, respectful, and considerate. I really think he could be the one, but something's eating at me. I wanted to build slowly with this man, so we didn't

Kelly (Cars)become intimate until after going exclusive. But between the first date and that point, I did see an old friends with benefits a couple times. Back then, I didn't think anything of it as we weren't exclusive, but I underestimated

Kelly (Cars)how much he would care for my boyfriend, and I almost feel like I cheated on him. Have I done something wrong? Do I need to tell him? Will he end things with me? Update. There was mixed reactions here,

Kelly (Cars)but my gut told me I should tell my boyfriend. So intuitive, girl. He said, "Sorry, I don't want to be in a relationship with someone that does that." And then blocked me on everything. >> Love you.

Brian Atlas>> All right. So, uh, I want to get the get the panel's reaction on that. >> Thoughts? >> W. >> She said they were weren't exclusive before. >> Well, to him it was exclusive.

Amanda (Security)>> Fair fair game on her part. I mean, they weren't technically, you know, >> I think she should have talked to him and figured out where they were together instead of just making a decision just

Kelly (Cars)uh based on what she felt. But that's just me. It might have been forgivable, too, if she had just told him when she got when they made it official. Been like, "Just so you know, I've been [ __ ] around." >> But I think there's a component here where, >> let me just pull it up so I have it for

Sinreference. >> Did you say she wanted to be official? >> It looked like it was going to be exclusive. >> Yeah. So, she said, kind of in relation to the conversation we were having a bit earlier, she said, "Well, I see long-term

Brian Atlaspotential with this guy, so I wanna, you know, she wanted to build slowly with this guy. So, she wanted to wait to have sex with him. All the while during this period of time, she was [ __ ] another

Kelly (Cars)dude. >> She's on the wrong >> Well, there's some merit to that because friends with benefits, you already caught that body. You know, got to add a new name to the list, you know? So, it's like >> you're you're collecting a new Pokemon or you're like, you have your same old one, you know?

Pia>> Well, I think she cared about the guy, so she decided not to. Yeah. You're making the statement like, "Yeah, I thought, you know, maybe we were going to be exclusive and I cared about you, but I still [ __ ] somebody else anyway." Yeah. >> So, clearly it wasn't that important.

Julie (SPC)>> Yeah. She wasn't all >> If I'm seeing someone in that capacity, I'm not going to be mean. >> And you know, when there's a potential of something, so >> I just don't talk to nobody. >> Do you have thoughts on this?

Jenna (Bartender)>> Uh, yeah. I just zoned out. Um, no. I it's it was wrong on her part to entertain anything with anyone else when she's not sleeping with a dude that she

Brian Atlaswants to be with. >> Right. So, this is going back to uh to Julie your notes here cuz you're saying, "Well, I'm not sleeping with somebody as

Brian Atlasquickly as you expect." Blah blah blah. Um I guess my issue with it is like I don't know. Y'all will tell a guy you're not that type of girl. I'm not saying

Brian Atlasyou specifically, Julie. I'm just saying this is a phenomenon that men will encounter when it comes to dating. Women will be like, "Oh, well, I really like you and I kind of want to wait. You

Brian Atlasknow, I see potential." And you'll make the guy who's worthy of a relationship wait, but you'll

Brian Atlas[ __ ] the guy who's not quickly. That's confusing. It's like, >> wouldn't you reward >> reward the guy

Brian Atlas>> who's relationship material with sex, but the guy who's just a jerk, [ __ ] [ __ ] boy, whatever it is, not relationship material, you just let him hit right away. Shouldn't it be the

Kelly (Cars)opposite? Like, he shouldn't be able to hit have sex with you, and the guy who's worthy of the relationship should like >> in a perfect world, you're 100% right. But it's very simple. Scarcity marketing. Okay, listen. This is the

Kelly (Cars)same reason I got locked in the [ __ ] the polycule. Okay, listen. I'm like, you would never consider that. But then when it's like there's less of them on the market. Oh, damn. This guy has so many options. Versus if someone's sing

Kelly (Cars)over you slash pursuing a relationship, being like a good man. Um there's like something probably psych like psychological where you're like, "Oh, this [ __ ] boy is like a limited resource. I get my hands on this stunk at the ground floor." You know, maybe

Kelly (Cars)when his band takes off, he'll remember that we hooked up that one time. Th this is for you, Julie, though. Any any thoughts on this?

Brian Atlas>> I'm only going to date one person. >> Yeah, but you were saying I guess it was stemming from our con. I know that's a little different of a circumstance, but

Brian Atlasthere is this this component of, you know, women who have slept with guys quickly previously, but now your standard changes for the guy who you're

Brian Atlaslike, "Oh, I really want a relationship with you and you're so great. You get to wait 3 months, but then you done slept with other dudes super fast." And so as a guy looking looking at that, it's kind

Brian Atlasof like I'm and I'm not saying that's the case with you. It could be the case that that's always been a woman's standard. And look, as a woman, you could have [ __ ] a thousand dudes

Brian Atlaswithin 30 minutes of meeting them. And then literally a day later, like the day before you [ __ ] a guy immediately, and then the day later you can say, "I'm waiting until marriage." You can do

Brian Atlasthat. From the guy's perspective, that's [ __ ] [ __ ] >> That's [ __ ] >> I mean, hey, it's your call. It's your

Kelly (Cars)call. Um, but that's kind of a raw deal for the guy. >> But that's kind of crazy, though. So, if you like if you robbed a McDonald's once and you got away with it, you're like, "Well, now I'm just a person who does

Kelly (Cars)that. Now, every time you get fast food, would you you know what I'm saying? So, if you did something that you regret Okay, like that was a horrible metaphor. If you did something you regret Okay, never mind. I'm going to pass the mic on that one. Sorry, I I don't I couldn't

Brian Atlasfinish it. >> Also, it's just I don't know. I can see the whole waiting. There's another component here where it's if both people are young, you know, they're like in their early 20s or like 18, 19, 20, and

Brian Atlasmaybe they're a virgin or they've had sex just once or twice in a relationship. I can kind of see like this like, oh, I want to wait a really long time, but like I'm 36.

Brian AtlasLike I'm probably going to be dealing with, you know, women who've it's not their first time having sex. It's like, okay. Oh, you want to wait three months? Okay. >> Well, can I ask a question? >> Sure.

Eugina>> Do you want women to be sexually available all the time or sexually unavailable all the time? >> Happy medium. >> Cuz men seem to not know which one it is. Do you want women to always relent

Brian Atlasto sex or if they do relent to sex, are they then disgusting? >> Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you my framework. You wouldn't expect someone to wait. >> So, I'll tell you my framework. I think both men and women should be pursuing

Brian Atlaslong-term serious relationships. I think you should only be sleeping with people where there's there's an intention of having something longterm. >> That might not always work out. Maybe it doesn't work out, but that should at

Brian Atlasleast be the intention. If you're in [ __ ] uh I don't know, >> I trying to think of a I don't know. you're in spring break Miami and there's some dude who lives on the opposite side

Brian Atlasof the country. You're both in a different you're on vacation. Uh the long-term potential there is really really really low. Probably shouldn't just [ __ ] him for the fun of it. Um so that's my perspective.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Uh so I think that women shouldn't just be [ __ ] a bunch of dudes. Neither should men. >> Okay. But my at least my perspective I

Brian Atlasalso don't really believe in waiting long extended periods of time. But and maybe that look perhaps I'm an outlier and I think maybe women will move in certain ways because they've been screwed over by guys whatever

Brian Atlas>> and vice versa. >> But my intention if if I'm sleeping with a girl is for there to be continuity >> cuz I'm not interested in a one time thing that doesn't interest me.

Pia>> You're an exceptional man. Because a lot of men that's not the that's not the metric. >> A lot more men than they're out there. There's a lot you say you're trying to do, right? Like if you say that you want then you're waiting. If you say that you don't care, then you don't care. But to

Brian Atlassay that you want to wait and then do the opposite, I mean that's not consistent. >> I want I want a woman who's sexually available for me. >> Okay. >> But I I think

Eugina>> that's fine. But do you so the woman who's sexually available, do you want to be serious with her or is she just there to be sexually available? >> That's what he said. He's serious. >> Oh, okay. So that's unique cuz most men just want the sexual availability and

Julie (SPC)not the relationship. >> I I don't think that's I don't think that's true. I think men are >> not most Okay, I'm generalizing. >> There's a lot of great men out there and I think I see I see so much. It's a common It is a common occurrence though. It's I'm not making it up.

Amanda (Security)>> Actually like really lonely. Well, there's there's the lonely days. I think there's Yeah. >> But I I think men and women are

Julie (SPC)different in the sense that >> like I need to be in quote unquote well not quote unquote just in love or or very much so in that direction before I

Julie (SPC)am actually able to give myself to someone. Right? I don't think a man needs to a man doesn't generally need to be >> operating in that way. So, >> well, I don't think women necessarily are operating.

Julie (SPC)>> Well, I can only speak for myself. You're right. Because I mean, the various panels that have been on here, >> the case for like all the men you've been >> No, not all the men. I mean, I can I can standard now.

Julie (SPC)>> Well, no, no. Yeah, I can entertain. I can go back to when um when I met my husband. Um, I had dated a couple people before that and I realized, well, if I

Julie (SPC)do engage in sex with them, nothing happens that it's over. So, so in fact, and it wasn't virtuous

Julie (SPC)signaling. It was like, hey, I want this relationship to work. The last time or two that I was with someone and I slept with them earlier, it didn't work. So,

Julie (SPC)I'm going to wait this time. And I did. and that resulted in a marriage. Now granted, that's just one example, but fast forwarding to now, uh I was heavily

Julie (SPC)into scripture and things like that for for the last few years and um and I just began began to look at everything differently.

Julie (SPC)So, but but ultimately like I I need to be in love. I I I'm sorry. Three three dates that ain't happening unless we're talking every day. um so on and so forth

Julie (SPC)and our dates are spread, you know, >> far and few apart. I I just can't do that. >> So, I don't think we should get a bad rap for for that. I think I think where I'm coming from is very genuine. I don't think it's community.

Brian Atlas>> It's just a hard cell as a guy to hear, okay, a woman's had like multiple one night stands and then Oh, but so it's like you're you don't have >> I've never had a one night stand, so

Brian Atlas>> But okay. Have you had sex with a guy who you did end up in a long-term relationship relatively quickly? Like first, second, third date? >> I've only had two long-term relationships minus my high school

Julie (SPC)boyfriend. And >> so you've had sex with two guys, three guys or >> No, I mean, sorry, you you said long-term relationship. So sex that resulted in a long-term relationship.

Julie (SPC)Um, that was twice. >> Okay. Wait, you've only had two long-term relationship? >> I know. I got myself all Wait, hold on. Tangled up here. You >> contradicted yourself. >> No, I'm not contradicting myself. I'm I think I misunderstood your question.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Because I Yeah, >> I guess it's just it's a hard cell for a guy to be like, "All right, you know, >> but three dates >> that that's generous on the guy's part. Three dates." >> I know. I've heard you say one one and two.

Julie (SPC)>> First date, I'm fine with it. >> But I don't think most men are are going to going to sleep with a woman on the first date and be like and call you back the next day and say, "Hey baby, when are we going out?" that I don't think I think you're an outlier in that regard. >> It's so situational. >> It is.

Brian Atlas>> You'd be fine with um >> I wouldn't Okay. I wouldn't hold it against the girl if I've I've gotten to know her. I'm like, "Okay, there's long-term potential here whether we

Brian Atlassleep together on the first, second, or third date. I'm not going to necessarily like for example, you would agree it's logically possible a woman who's a virgin could sleep with you immediately.

Brian Atlaslike it's possible that that could happen. And in fact, I think a lot of women, not all women, but a lot of women have lost their virginity, not in the confines of some long-term relationship

Brian Atlaswhere you waited years, but it was a lot of women had like a casual hookup, lost their virginity there. Not all women, but So, it is possible that a woman who does sleep with you quickly isn't

Brian Atlasnecessarily a hoe. She ain't necessarily a trumpet, >> but she very well might be. >> She could be, but you could just ask her. What's your body count? Boom. >> I feel like we have like so many

Euginageneralizations based on personal experience. You know what I mean? >> My first time. I never do this. >> Is she lesser then for having had sex with you? Like she's now in your estimation not as pure that she's had sex with you.

Brian Atlas>> He just said not necessarily. >> Not necessarily. But sometimes if she's slept with uh >> well here would here would be the only dimension if if she's in recent hit well hold on let me see how I want to frame

Brian Atlasthis if she's done that with other men >> Uhhuh. >> a lot >> other men have the same expectation as you

Brian Atlas>> they want sex. So, I guess it >> there there's not necessarily from my perspective, >> there's not I'm not going to necessarily >> uh judge her in a negative light because

Brian Atlasshe's chosen to have sex with me quickly. But if she's she just [ __ ] another dude last week, >> then I'm going to be looking I'm going to be doing an analysis of her other form like her promiscuity as it relates to other men

Julie (SPC)>> patterns of behavior. >> Does your promiscuity make you a hoe? He just Wait, he's a virgin. >> I'm a virgin. Yeah. >> With a key. >> I keep forgetting you're a virgin. How

Julie (SPC)much time do you How can you So someone you're dating or just beginning to date, how much time do you spend uh or invest talking to them? Um before the first date and in between two and the second

Brian Atlasand third date, >> do do you talk a lot? >> Are you I guess it it depends. I don't want to. It depends on the context of how we're meeting. Like

Brian Atlasfor example, if um I I cuz I almost want to give like the normal guy answer to this, but for example, I've had a lot of dating experiences where, you know, women have

Brian Atlasseen my show and they're re they've reached out to me >> groupies. >> I wouldn't call them groupies, but if you want to call them groupies or whatever. So, I' I've had that experience >> where they're coming to me. So, that's

Brian Atlasnot the normal guy experience, though. So, I I don't know if I want to give my specific anecdotal perspective on it. That does not apply to most men. >> Do you think other men who've had

Euginapromiscuous sex lives are hoes? >> Well, I hold on. >> Your friends, right, your like your friends, your male friends who've had a lot of sex, are they degenerates? Like, are they lessened by the sex that

Euginathey've had? I don't want to date them. So, I'm not viewing them from the >> No, but I'm saying from a moral perspective, not from a do you want to date them. I'm saying like, do you see them as lesser than for having had a lot of sex?

Brian Atlas>> I would say that there are differences between men and women on this specific topic. I'm not in favor of promiscuity in men or women. >> Okay. >> But I do think there are some differences. Yeah. >> Okay.

Amanda (Security)Just wear condoms. I'm like everyone that is like haters of like promiscuity. I'm like just rubber. >> I'm actually I'm allergic to condoms. >> You are? >> Yeah, me too. Just kidding. >> I'm allergic. I'm actually allergic to

Brian Atlascondom. Sorry. >> I'd rather just not have sex. >> Oh, how are you allergic to condoms? But you don't have the fork. >> No, I'm just kidding. >> You're an Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Like men I think uh to your thing though, men aren't as penalized >> penal >> by by women. Oh, okay. Well done. >> You got to be careful. Um, >> shut it.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. Let's >> Did it break or is it >> intact? >> All right, we're good. Um, okay. Maybe can you scoot your chair in so people aren't hitting the thing? Um,

Sin>> sorry, there's not much room. >> I forgot what I was saying. Sorry, we got a little distracted there. >> Men are different. >> How men are different with promiscuity than women? >> Uh, yes, men are different.

Brian Atlas>> I agree. Yeah, we are. >> Men are Hold on. There was a chat that I needed to get to. Uh, one sec. Oh, this is from Master Monkey Man 34. Women have no capacity to govern themselves. They

Brian Atlasrequire the good governance of men. Female philosopher Banzho. Okay. The woman who is pro cutting boys clearly has no man governing her. >> Sadly,

Eugina>> is Jewish. >> That's why I'm pro. >> Okay. That's my answer to why I'm defending circumcision. >> Oh, you should have made that clear. Why? Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I didn't want it to be the first thing people were thinking about. >> Well, yeah, but your justification for the defense your >> basis for the defense is your religious conviction. >> I just don't see how it's again, I

Euginaalready said my piece on that issue. You don't you don't see how it's what >> mutilation >> barbaric towards men as they spend their entire lives having not even known they were circumcised unless someone told them >> what >> wait you don't think

Eugina>> oh they know >> that's very traumatic for them >> I'm saying if no one if no if they were not aware socially of what circumcision was there would have been no mental or

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