Andrew Wilson vs. 10 Feminists DEBATE! 3 RAGE QUITS?! SUPER FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! | Dating Talk 283

Date: 2026-02-23

Duration: 10h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMia (Canadian)>

AAndrew Wilson >

AAnya (Ana Lacy)>

CCourtney (MS)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Mars(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sarah (Angelique)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Mia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kayla (Passes)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mary Jane(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Courtney (MS)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Diana Sixto(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ella(guest)

SPEAKER_12Megan Loftess(guest)

SPEAKER_13Anya (Ana Lacy)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Megan Loftess(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 14 guests introduced - most overbooked ever

Key MomentElla reveals she eats raw chicken and pork, believes in terrain theory

Key MomentAndrew Wilson and Diana Sixto begin marathon prenup/feminism debate

Key MomentAndrew presents force doctrine to the panel

ControversyAndrew gets Diana to accept she is a feminist by definition

Key MomentBrian reads Mars' full dominatrix service menu. Nuclear explosion sound effects.

QuoteElla: circumcision is genital mutilation that should never be done to babies

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

14 people - most overbooked episode ever. Includes Andrew Wilson, Mars (dominatrix), Diana Sixto, Ella (raw meat eater).

Ella's Raw Meat Diet

Eats raw chicken and pork. Believes in terrain theory. Parasites are beneficial.

Prenup Debate: Andrew vs Diana

Extended debate on prenups, women financial independence, marriage as institution.

Chivalry Debate

Brian argues sex workers don't deserve chivalry. Extended panel debate.

Andrew's Force Doctrine

Men monopolize force, women always appeal to men for rights. Feminism dismantling patriarchy is circular.

Mars Dominatrix Services

Brian reads Mars' full service menu including toilet play, CBT, financial domination.

Ella on Circumcision

Final hot take: circumcision is genital mutilation that should be illegal.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasnumber has declined or increased since the 1950s? >> Probably probably increased. I don't know. >> So women are more promiscuous today than they were Are men equally >> How would that matter? Great red

Brian Atlasherring. How would it matter? >> Because you say that now, >> yes, men are more promiscuous than correct. So now you would matter. My point still stands. >> At this point in history, all women should be treated.

Brian Atlas>> I didn't say holy [ __ ] Straw man, you are the queen of straw mans. When did I say all women? Yes, you said >> I didn't say all women should be procluded from traditional treatment. That's not what I said. Tell me what I

Brian Atlassaid. That's why I made no point in history. Let me repeat it to you then. Right. Tell me what I said because I think you have selective hearing like you don't want to actually be good faith. You want to straw man my position. I did not say that. But go

Diana Sixtoahead speak to you exactly what you said and what I heard was that we are in a point in history where you believe that women deserve the least amount of chivalry. Yes or no? >> Right. That's what you said and we could play this back. It's live.

Diana Sixto>> I don't know if that's precisely what I said but that's essent that is the essence of it. Yes. >> Okay. And I don't agree with that because I think that most women are virtuous. I don't think

Diana Sixto>> most what what do you mean by most? >> I think percentage I think most women aren't represented in this particular demographic and that they have more traditional values and that they decide

Diana Sixtoto have less sexual partners. I think that there's a small percentage of women that do have a lot more sexual partners. And so if we average it out then yes on

Brian Atlasaverage now women have more sexual partners but I don't think that we have >> the average woman has more sexual partners than the average woman did uh 50 60 70 80 years ago.

Diana Sixto>> Yeah. Yes. And it's even worse for men. >> Sure. I'm going I'm actually >> It is worse for men. In fact, most men that are even married >> watch pornography. And so it really dislikan

Andrew Wilsonromance novels. They're big consumers of porn, too. >> Read those novels. That is >> Oh, yes. They're It's so It's the most widely consumed female porn. It's It's insane. >> I do porn, too, though. >> Oh, it's it's me. It's because anecdotes

Brian Atlasanecdotes. >> I believe in God, but I am not. >> So, so you think Andrew Wilson who goes to an Orthodox church, you think he surrounds himself with >> with women of lower virtue than the

Andrew Wilsonwomen you surround yourself with? You think going to church makes you more surrounded by virtuous women? >> Uh, generally yes. >> Generally yes. >> And if you go towards a church that has more traditional values

Andrew Wilsonto have and do women in church well hang on. Let's start with this. Let's let's untangle a couple of concepts. What do you consider female virtues? >> I think that women that are uh intelligent

Diana Sixto>> No, just name some of the virtues. uh self-sufficient, that they are loyal, that they are compassionate, that they are generous, that they are uh caretaking, right? Or nurturing,

Andrew Wilson>> that they are intelligent, that they um >> a lot of those are traits. Yes. What would you consider virtue though? >> High achieving that >> high achieving is a virtue. >> So loyal. Another one. >> Okay. I can grant perhaps loyalty as not

Andrew Wilsonbeing >> uh a trait like intelligence. Maybe that's a that's more behavior. What about chastity? >> Chastity uh sexual um sexual discipline is what I like to call it. >> Well, chastity chastity is a traditional

Diana Sixtofemale virtue, right? >> Yeah. Well, chastity means very little to no sex, right? Like but sexual discipline. >> That's right. Very little to no sex until >> correct. And so that is until though.

Diana Sixto>> That is not realistic in today's >> I understand. But is it a fe is it is it a traditional female virtue? Uh for you it is sexual discipline is the word for me because I think women can >> Okay, got it. So, so cope. Yeah,

Andrew Wilsonexactly. >> Can I finish my Can I finish my my >> Is it a traditional female person or an adult? Let's say >> you didn't answer my question. Is it a traditional female virtue? >> Yes. Yes. Just like sexual discipline is.

Andrew Wilson>> Well, chastity was. Sexual discipline implies that you're not going to be chased. You're just going to have less sexual partners than somebody who has many more than you do. Chastity does not mean

Diana Sixto>> does not mean the same thing. >> Can I set an example? Let's say a woman gets married a virgin and for whatever reason gets divorced, the uh husband was abusive and whatnot. Of course.

Diana Sixto>> So they separate and do you believe that as a result of her having lost her chastity, she can't be sexually disciplined in the future going >> in this case she's still following the

Andrew Wilsonvirtue of chastity. So the idea here when you're you're equating chastity with virginity, that is they're not the same word for a reason. They're not. The

Andrew Wilsonvirtue the virtue of chastity is that you're trying to only retain >> uh se any type of sexual activity for husband. That's the idea. So I wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonsay like husband dies, woman is no longer [ __ ] uh following the virtue of chastity. She still would be. The question here though comes down to the idea of what is a virtuous woman? And if

Andrew Wilsonyou say a virtuous woman is one who's chased there, it's 1,000% the case >> that in modern year compared to 1930, >> they are not they do not have that

Diana Sixtovirtue of chastity. Most women >> most women think that's the case right now. I >> wait what percentage of women get married as virgins? >> Not very not very many nowadays.

Diana Sixto>> So how can you how can you hold these two? Yeah, biological infirment. It's not possible nowadays. >> So the biological infir don't get married at the same >> obsession with virginity in a woman's virgin. Let's talk about statistics.

Diana SixtoLet's talk about statistics and the fact at what age back in the day did women used to get married >> on average it was it was much younger around 1920. >> Right. So would you say then that that has something to do with the fact that

Diana Sixtowomen that are now getting married at an older age because they are waiting for the right person or they're waiting to be financially stable. or they're waiting to finish their career. >> It's just college.

Andrew Wilson>> Okay. Whichever reason of those that is, do you think that that also has to do with why they aren't as >> Oh, hang on. Hang on. Why would it be a necessary entailment that because women wait until they're older to get married

Andrew Wilsonthat they need to [ __ ] >> So, so would you >> don't ask me a question, answer the question, then ask the question. Why would it be a necessary entailment that because a woman waits until she's older to get married that she needs to [ __ ]

Andrew WilsonSo >> why would it be a logical entailment that because a woman >> you you did it the I got it the first time. >> Okay, then answer first. >> Okay. So >> why would that be a logical entailment?

Diana Sixto>> That was the fourth time. Go ahead. >> It um because uh well human nature and human biology which >> so they have to >> which I do not uh which I do not negate. I am a realist, right? I'm a realist. I

Andrew Wilsonoperate in reality. >> So they don't have to. >> If you would have not gotten married or would have found the person Sure, I would have been the worst degenerate on planet Earth, but what's the point? Who cares? That has nothing to do with the point. >> I think it has everything.

Andrew Wilson>> It wouldn't matter if I was going to go out every single night to blow off of a hooker's [ __ ] ass and then [ __ ] go get into a gang bang the next morning.

Andrew WilsonIt has zero at all to do with my point. Why is it a necessary entailment that women got to [ __ ] before they get married because they get married older?

Andrew WilsonTell me why exactly. So, if that's the case, all you're saying is that Women are less chased than they used to be. And then you're giving an excuse that they they are because they're waiting

Andrew Wilsonabout nine more years on average to get married. So they just got to [ __ ] And no, that's not the case. >> Upset at the fact that women have to >> that women have to engage in relations. They have to they have to they have to

Diana Sixto[ __ ] before they're married. They have to do that. >> So upset that women can engage in sexual relationship. >> I'm sorry. I thought that you said that that's immoral. >> No, I never said that. Okay. So, it's not immoral to engage in sex before marriage. >> I think that it's good to wait before

Diana Sixtomarriage. >> Why is that good? >> But it's not necessarily reality, right? >> Why is it good? >> Well, ask people that do wait until marriage and how long it is that they stay married. But again, that's a very

Andrew Wilsonsmall percentage of the population. >> So, then people should they ought on average. >> I have conflicting uh views personally on that. >> And you're not a fem? I am not a fem.

Andrew Wilson>> You're not a fem. You're ultra. You're ultra You're ultra rightwing conserv I'm not a traditionalist. Never said I was. But you're definitely a fem. Definitely a fem con. So you you can't tell me

Andrew Wilsonright now that it's not good for women to not engage in sex before marriage. >> So I'm sorry to bring this up because I know it is a sensitive. >> Yes. I had tons of sex before marriage. What's the but my Can you answer my question?

Andrew Wilson>> I was going to talk about >> Are you going to talk about my wife now? >> Would you consider her a chase person? >> Okay. So anyway, >> beautiful woman. What would that have to do with what would that have to do with anything? I'm saying

Andrew Wilson>> that I believe she can be a virtuous. I didn't say they can't be I didn't say they can't be virtuousing her. I'm saying she has virtue. >> Nobody said they can't be. Nobody ever claimed that they couldn't.

Andrew Wilson>> No, this was not the claim that I'm asking you a question. Is it good for women to not have sex before marriage? >> I think that it depends on the individual. So then you would prescribe for some women that they [ __ ] before

Diana Sixtothey get married. Then >> I think it depends on the individual. >> So then some individuals >> and I don't like >> So then some individuals you would prescribe that they have sex before marriage. >> I think that people usually are hold on let's operate in reality.

Diana Sixto>> I am >> I think that most people are in a relationship for a year to two years before tying the knot and it is unrealistic in today's standards to go without having any kind of relations before doing that.

Andrew Wilson>> Is that good though? You ask me right. >> I am asking you. Is that good? >> I think that sexual compatibility is important. >> So they need to [ __ ] >> Why are you so >> Because I'm asking, can you just answer

Andrew Wilsonthe question? >> Do they need to [ __ ] or not? >> No, they don't need to. >> Let her answer. Let her let her answer. >> He wants a yes or no. >> I do. Do you Would you prescribe that women [ __ ] before they get married?

Diana Sixto>> I prescribe that they should verify that they have sexual chemistry and whether that leads them to find that out. She's not their prescribing >> in one way or another. I don't know what it is. >> What would you consider the best way for them to find that out?

Andrew Wilson>> It depends on the couple. >> Yeah. Like on average just on average I'm not in people's bedroom. >> Yeah. Just like on average, how how would you say that that's probably the most likely way for them to like discover how did you find out that you

Andrew Wilsonhad sexual compatibility? >> Yeah. I was out [ __ ] with your wife. What's your Yeah. What is that? >> How did you determine that? there. Literally anything that you ask me from an anecdotal perspective, regardless of

Andrew Wilsonhow I answer it, has no bearing on the argument. How >> you're telling So how did So would it have bad >> or is it bad or is your >> If I literally grabbed some woman next to me right now, threw her up on the

Andrew Wilsontable and just started [ __ ] railing her in front of all of you. How the [ __ ] would that have anything to do with my question? How would it have a [ __ ] thing to do with my question? How? Because you're trying to say that being

Andrew Wilsonchased is the ultimate value. >> No, I'm asking you. I'm asking you. Who cares if I did? >> You had relationship. >> Oh my god. Why? Tell me how that would matter. >> You're human.

Andrew Wilson>> Women are human as well. >> That has no bearing on the argument. Would you prescribe that women [ __ ] before they get married the guy say that >> that she that they're going to be? She has her own body. They have their own body.

Mary Jane>> I don't I I understand. They have their own. Would you say it's good? >> I would say that it varies. It differs based on someone like generally like I would say >> since she won't answer. >> Well, I personally wanted to wait until

Andrew Wilsonmarriage definitely. >> But I got married and it's not a yes or no question. I'm not I'm not ask you can make a caveat and say sure. >> For like most people it's good, but I

Andrew Wilsonwould prescribe for at least some people that they should have sex before they marry the person they're going to marry. Hang on. Hang on. Nice of you to say. >> Would you calm down so I can at least finish the sentence?

Andrew Wilson>> Here's the thing, right? It's like >> what I'm asking specifically is if you would at least recommend to some people it would be good for you to have sex before you marry this person any kind of

Andrew Wilsonsexual act between other couples ever. Period. That's my answer. Why can't you accept >> yes or no? So, so, so then the idea here is you when you're talking about ideas like chastity >> and you're talking about ideas like

Andrew Wilsonvirtues, >> those virtues are prescriptions of ought. People ought do thing. >> So, when I'm asking you about your oughts and you say I would never make an ugh, I don't even understand now what is virtue.

Diana Sixto>> I ought I believe that women ought to be sexually disciplined for their own sake as in to maintain. >> Let me define that really quick. Yeah. So when you say healthy, can I ask you a question? Let me ask you a question on sexual discipline. >> Go ahead.

Brian Atlas>> So would you categorize the follow Hey, you got to put put on frame. Put on frame, Nathan. >> I'll be back. Let me have another >> Would you categorize the following as a woman who has sexual discipline

Brian Atlas>> prior to marriage? Let's say she gets a lot of women get married in their uh late late 20s.

Brian Atlas>> Um let's say a woman had uh one boy monogous boyfriend per year. uh up until the age of marriage starting say at 17.

Brian AtlasSo let's say she's had sex with 14 men, but they were all within the confines of a long-term relationship, monogous relationship, each lasting one year.

Diana SixtoWould that be sexual discipline? >> To me, I think that that is a poor initial vetting of the people that they're with. >> But I mean, I don't understand, but that would be sexual discipline, would it

Diana Sixtonot? I think that the poor sexual discipline stems from the the main problem which is poor uh assessing of people's character and who it is that they pick to be in a relationship with. I think that's the problem.

Megan Loftess>> Did I mean >> and I agree with that. But to come back to the original point that you made um with Ivy is that if a woman who just got gangbanged by 10 guys who has semen all

Megan Loftessup in her, you know, no condom, whatever, goes on a date with a man, right? And then she said, "Oh, but that's his choice to go on the date with her." Do you go on that date and when he asks you, "How was your day? What did

Megan Loftessyou do today?" Are you going to tell him, "Well, I bang 10 guys today and that's what I do and that's what I do for my living." Is that your >> conversation starter? Do you think that man wanted to go on the date with you because you bang 10 men? That is my

Brian Atlasquestion. >> And I do want to bring it back to I guess the original point here. So, what specifically I mean I want to direct it at you, but I feel like maybe you guys want to weigh in too.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> So, my position is simply this. Why should men be chivalous for women who are I mean look I think widely

Brian Atlaspeople would perceive this but I'll just say from my own perspective non-deserving. >> Can I answer? >> Uh let me let you go. Let me let you go. Stop. Okay. >> Go ahead. Well, I think if a guy knows

Miawhat he's signing up for for the girl that isn't like a sex worker or whatnot in the industry, I think that it's kind of his choice to be shiver shiver I can't say that word shiverless because I

Brian Atlasthink he knows what he's signing up for and maybe >> why the expectation then from women it's not it shouldn't be an expectation but women but

Brian Atlas>> but their position her position is that despite me not holding up any of my own traditional like any sort of traditional thing. I still want the man to uphold

Miahis because it benefits me. >> I don't think it's right for the expectation to be there. But I think if the guy is >> knowing what he's signing up for with the girl that he's choosing to take on a

Miadate that he's kind of signing up to hold that to be sh I can't say the word, but yeah. Uh, I'd like to add that I think that women in general just by

Megan Loftessvirtue of being a feminine woman should receive chivalry from them regardless of just because she has a vagina. >> Not just because she has a vagina, but like the way that we carry our natural

Megan Loftessour natural attributes, what we bring to the table in a relationship with a man. >> So, a woman, >> right, he brings strength. He brings >> But do all women uh reach that

Megan Loftessthreshold? I would say >> what what would disqualify a woman? >> I think what would disqualify a woman

Megan Loftessfrom not um receiving chivalry is disrespect, right? Is she disrespecting

Megan Loftesshim or herself? Society, right? Is she um uh how do I say this? >> So, is it disrespectful to show up on a first date with another man's seed? >> I would say yes.

Megan Loftess>> Okay. And you're polyamorous. I'm polymerous. Correct. So you would disass wouldn't schedule a date back to back to Wait, wait, wait, wait. Stop this off. >> Genuinely like to

Brian Atlas>> Hold on, hold on, hold on. So to 99% of men, the thought of I understand that there are some cucks out there. Uh, for 99% of men, the thought of the girl he's going on a date with or the girl he's

Brian Atlasgoing to be in a relationship with or the girl he's going to be intimate with, the thought that she's being sexually active with another man, yeah, that is disrespectful and disgusting to that man. >> I think it's important to be like

Mary Janetransparent about your sex life to provide people that choice. That way, you're not violating their bodies. So, like I think it is important to say, "Yeah, I like as much as they don't want to hear it, you open up that opportunity for them to say, "Yes, I want to move

Mary Janeforward with this. No, I don't. >> Would Would you if a guy wanted to go 50/50 on the date, would you be okay with that? >> I have been in the past, but I just feel like, you know, I have different standards now. And as much as people

Mary Janethink that I have lower standards just because of what I do, I don't. Like, it doesn't matter what they say, cuz I know that I don't. >> I think that a lot of sex workers actually have higher standards for

Brian Atlasdating because of the treatment that we get from society or social media. >> Yeah. You don't deserve it is what I'm trying to get at here. >> But what? >> Look, regardless, I think I didn't answer this question. Somebody

Brian Atlasoriginally posed. It might have been you. So, women who are sex workers, women who are not ladies, women who are promiscuous, women who are not feminine, whatever it is, uh, everybody's deserving of respect. I'm not saying

Brian Atlasthat sex workers or promiscuous women or women who are poly or what whatever it is. I'm not saying that you should walk up to her and smack her in the face and call her a [ __ ] I'm not saying that at all. You should always treat people with respect regardless of their job,

Brian Atlasprofession, whatever, career. Uh, however, what we're talking about is something very specific and that's dating dynamics. There is an expectation on men to be chivalous, etc., etc., be all tradition.

Diana Sixto>> Yeah, I would just reduce it to this. Why does any woman deserve chivalry? >> I I asked that. >> That's why that's why we're single. That that's that kind of comment is the point of the loneliness. >> Answer the question epidemic. It's

Brian Atlasimportant not for her. >> It's actually No, no, no. It's actually you. >> It's you. Because even as the conservative woman here, you're not actually willing to step up and be like,

Brian Atlas>> you know what? Men need to be better. But you're actually you're actually >> men need to be better than women. Hold on. But but my position is certain women don't deserve chivalry. So if we argued against that idea, you literally are in

Brian Atlasfact just said the reason that there's a male loneliness epidemic is because men don't want to pay for dates with little [ __ ] >> No, that's literally your [ __ ] position. >> Okay. Should I Hold on. Wait, wait. Let me ask you a question. Hold on. Let me

Andrew Wilsonask you a question. Let me ask you a question. That's why all women don't deserve that. And let's read. >> No, that's not what he said. I'll bet you 500 bucks. I didn't say that's why women don't deserve.

Diana Sixto>> That's why all women don't deserve $500. >> Put it back. Is that what you said? $500. I have $500. >> Grab that clip. Send it to Brian. He >> is not Oh, can uh not my producer. Can somebody watching just send it to my

Andrew WilsonInstagram? >> $500 for me. I asked a question. I said why >> does any woman deserve chivalry? >> That's exactly what I That's a completely different statement than no

Andrew Wilsonwomen deserve >> chivalry. So why does so why does every woman deserve chivalry? That that's what you said. >> Why do women deserve chivalry? I do women deserve chivalry is a different statement than that's why women do not deserve chivalry. >> I'm hearing you. They don't.

Diana Sixto>> Hold on. >> Okay. So, if that's the way that you meant it as a question. >> No, it's not what I meant. You did shake. It's how I It's my question. >> We can say that I've answered questions

Diana Sixtoin the positive as in Okay. So, why do all women deserve chivalry? And >> why do they deserve virgin? >> Why does any woman deserve chivalry? That is what you said. That is what you said. Why do men deserve virgin? I said

Diana Sixtoright after I said right after that >> that is the kind of comment that is driving us apart as the sexes. >> That kind of >> great contribution there. >> So can you ban the trolls the thorps out

Diana Sixtoof the [ __ ] chat for me? >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait. Don't hide that. Let me uh hold on. >> Andrew doesn't even think his wife deserves chivalry. I'm reading it. That's why he made her take a paternity test. >> Stop. Stop. Stop. >> Okay. I'm just reading the screen. But

Brian Atlas>> yeah, I don't below threshold. We don't need you to be the host. >> Gotcha. >> Anyway, so again, you're being really bad faith. You're straw manning. You've been strawmaning positions all night.

Brian AtlasAndrew literally didn't say that. He was asking, "Why do women deserve chivalry?" It seems like you're taking the the affirmative position that even women who got gangbanged the morning of the date should have their date paid for. Well,

Brian Atlasthat's our position. So, why are you arguing against it? Why are you But so, we're asking why. Okay, I guess I'll ask the question like this. It's okay for people in society to say

Brian Atlasmen should. Women can say it, men can say it, society can say it, men should. Men should pay for first dates. Men should provide. Men should protect. Men should observe the sidewalk rule. So if there's a car barreling down the road, he gets [ __ ] smashed on the pavement.

Brian AtlasAnd the woman gets to survive even if it's a first date. Uh men should open car doors. Men should buy flowers. Men should do all these things. What are we allowed to say women should >> say that? We're allowed to say men

Megan Loftessshould. >> What can we actually say women should do? >> Women should provide affection. Um, a listening ear. >> Goes both ways. Goes both ways. But I'm

Brian Atlasasking uniquely. So, okay. Men cannot their leading. >> No, but okay. When we're talking about chivalry, men to women, >> chivalry does not flow women to men. So,

Diana SixtoI'm asking >> I disagree with that >> because I've bought flowers. I bought flowers for for your boyfriend. Okay. Okay. He has >> How many How many first dates have you been on? >> First dates? Not many. And you know why?

Diana SixtoBecause I prevet people before I even go on a first date. >> How many How >> So there aren't many first dates. It's usually first date and then relationship because we've been talking for a very long time before that

Brian Atlas>> because I want to not waste that person's time and money. >> How old are you? You're 32. >> 32. >> 32. Okay. So, how many first dates have you been on? probably seven in my entire life. >> Okay. Did you split? Did you pay for it

Brian Atlasor did the guy pay for it? >> Uh they paid for it because we agreed on that before. And >> you have that conversation. It's not just assumed. >> Yes. Correct. >> You don't just assume that you're dating like a conservative guy. So

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So you when you say you have the conversation, >> wait, didn't you go on dates when you were 18? So when you were 18, you're like, "Hey, by the way, buddy, you're going to pay for the date?" >> No, we had the conversation like And they told >> you were vetting at 18. Yes, believe it

Diana Sixtoor not. >> Okay. I mean, that's >> Believe it or not, in fact, uh, in fact, those are one of the things that you talk about. And if I have if I have a verbal conversation on the phone and they say, "I can't wait to treat you out

Diana Sixtoto dinner," >> that is a verbal confirmation that the person wants to treat me to dinner. So, I know, we both know both consenting parties know how it is going to go. >> So, of all, >> if he doesn't believe in that, then we don't go on the date and I don't waste

Brian Atlashis time or money. But so of all the first of all the first dates you've been on which you say is seven >> uh in each instance the guy paid correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. So my you responded when I was

Brian Atlassaying chivalry flows men to women. If in your own experience >> men always paid for you on the first date and my my argument here is well chivalry an example of chivalry chivalry

Brian Atlasexcuse me would be men paying for first dates but you've never paid for a first date or even gone 50. >> I do other nice things. Okay. Once you're in the I randomly get Okay, great. You've been dating a guy for two years and you bought him a birthday present. That's not what we're talking about.

Brian Atlas>> Neither am I. I buy flowers for no reason. I buy gifts for my boyfriend. >> But you're you chose to contend with my point that I was making, which is chivalry flows from men to women. You're

Diana Sixtolike, well, that's not true. >> No. So, how do women how do women flow uniquely shared chivalry in kindness? Should men be kind to >> What would be the what for you? What

Andrew Wilsonwould be the equivalent word that defines chivalry as in kindness from women to men? >> Well, first first there's the symmetrical symmetrical. >> I think it can be symmetrical. This is

Megan Loftessnot for me. It's not for me though. I've been chivalous towards men and I've been chivalous towards women. I've taken women out on dates where I pay for everything. I open the door. I take on that kind of role.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. Yeah, I understand. But this is not individualized. So, hang on. Let me let me explain. Express The Titanic's going down. Who gets the lifeboats first? >> Women and children. >> Children? >> Nope. [ __ ] that [ __ ] >> The women and children.

Andrew Wilson>> Who makes that decision? >> Well, this these are these are Well, no. This is a general expectation which came from the various ideals of not just

Andrew Wilsonchivalry, that wasn't just one, but also the uh essentially the idea that women were a valued commodity, right? But all of those became a shared ethos which led

Andrew Wilsonto chivalry. Now that continues today. The Titanic goes down today. The women and children still get the lifeboats. So the question becomes, >> what is the equivalent of that

Andrew Wilson>> in general society that men have the expectation to get from women? What is that? >> I think there is loyalty. I think that

Diana Sixtothere is I think that there is the va the value added of being by their side because men know no. Let me let me finish. Let me there's also the creation of life.

Diana Sixto>> You need to let me finish. Men men have women to impress other men very often. And so if you have a woman that is next to you that is intelligent that can have a conversation and a

Diana Sixtodebate, >> then it raises your value as a man in comparison to having somebody pay for. But there's not even a dispute here. The thing is is like all of these

Andrew Wilsonthings though are shared. There's also women who get men and want them as arm candy so that they can show them off. There's all that >> that there's also women who want men who

Andrew Wilsonwho look like studs. There's also male Hang on it. Hang on. Hang on. It wouldn't matter. >> The idea here is it's not a shared generalized value like it is for men. the women and children get the lifeboats

Andrew Wilsonwhere everything is you're that you're talking up everythinguch is but even if it wasn't other I'm going to I'm going I'm going to grant it I'm

Andrew Wilsonactually going to grant all of this that yes men invented it they just like they grabbed okay you're right we just grabbed a chisel and we were like >> men give lifeboats got it we we put it

Andrew Wilsonin [ __ ] enshrined in stone they made the decision >> can Give me anything that's the equivalent of that >> from the female side. That's what I'm asking. >> Well, women are the ones that are

Diana Sixtoresponsible for destroying their bodies and bringing life. >> Do you have any kids? >> I don't have any kids. But >> how many men paid for first dates that you didn't give children to? >> Oh my gosh. Seven meals. And you think I should give a man a child for paying for

Brian Atlasmy meal? >> No, that's not what I'm saying. But no, no, hold on. Let me explain the argument. Let me explain the argument. But men are also expected to toil. So it's not even an argument. >> Let let me explain. So if the idea here

Brian Atlasis men should be chivalous and chivalous is expected upfront immediately go on the first date. Uh men should do that because at some vague nebulous

Brian Atlaspoint down the road uh I might give birth to this uh to this man's child. However, that argument doesn't really make sense absent in all instances in which you've gone on a first date with

Diana Sixtosomebody. If you didn't bear them children, then that that argument doesn't hold anyway. >> The reason I went on first dates was actually the reason I went on first dates isn't because of the fact that

Diana Sixtothey see if they're chivalous. It's to see if we have chemistry after the fact that we've talked about whether our values are the same, whether our futures are going to align, a bunch of other things. >> The reason that this argument doesn't

Andrew Wilsonhold weight is because it's an equal curse. Anyway, going back to the idea of Adam and Eve, Eve had to give child birth, but men had to toil. Both of those take the toll on the body. So, yes, it's true. Women have to deal with the bodily toil of

Andrew Wilson>> You're making a religious argument. >> No, no, no. I'm making I'm making a present day argument. The top dangerous jobs on planet Earth are held by which sex? >> Men. I agree with that. >> So, they toil. That hurts their body.

Andrew WilsonYou have the children. That hurts the body. That's an equivalent exchange. I want to hear what we get that's [ __ ] unique. Women are doing those jobs. What do men get? >> I don't think your own mother would be happy to hear that question come out of

SPEAKER_01your mouth to say what it is that women give to you that is life. Wait, what? >> Other than life? Wait, wait, wait. Stop. >> Yeah. Wait. You need men. You mean need men's genetic material for life?

Mary Jane>> I asked you. You don't. Yes, you do. No, you don't. We can We can reproduce women with just bone marrow. >> No. >> With certain technology. Yes. >> No. >> No, you can't. No, you can't. You need

Andrew Wilsonyou always need male genetic material no matter what. You can't do it alone. >> I guess like they contributed with the technology. >> You don't need Yeah. I'm curious what we don't need you though. Just the womb. I don't think that's us.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. That the sperm's just us. >> Look, I don't like that argument. You can put it You can put that in a [ __ ] jar. >> Does that lead to good perhaps one day make an artificial womb? Like >> I hope you can afford it. That's but

Diana Sixtothat's my point is like >> I don't like the argument that women and women don't need men. We need either absolutely >> but but nobody's even value >> nobody's even disputing this no value just asking about >> so why would a woman want to have kids

Andrew Wilsonwith you? >> I don't know they did but but here's the thing here's the thing though right is like >> you know >> you're wait what >> I you know I wish her the best. >> Yeah well I mean she's never she's never

Brian Atlasbeen happier but the thing is is like >> wait Andrew Hold on. Andrew's been like polite to you. I don't know why you're being like passive aggressive and insulting. Andrew, >> I don't even care. I just want to get the answer to the question.

Andrew Wilson>> What? Can you name a thing which is equivalent that generally men would receive that's the equivalent of the women children lifeboats? Anything just one thing that is not a shared proxy

Diana Sixtobetween the two? >> Are you genuinely asking that question? Okay. So women are the primary people that are in healthcare, right? So if you go to the doctor, you're probably going to be seen by a nurse first. I heard this. >> Are you listening to his question?

Brian Atlas>> Yes, I am. >> So if I'm going on a date with a woman, >> you're No. >> What I get is that there are vaguely women in healthcare. >> No, no, no. If I'm going If I'm going on first date with a barista, what I get from the barista is that there's vaguely

Brian Atlaswomen in healthcare. >> No, but you >> How does that [ __ ] benefit me? What the [ __ ] Correct. Correct. >> Hold on. I'm going to let this poor girl here. Her hands getting a cramp. Her hands getting a cramp. We got to let this girl come in. Go ahead.

Ella>> Scoot into the table a little bit. >> Yeah. I definitely >> Tommy Lauren all over again. >> That would be a compliment. Thank you. >> The biggest problem too I think that we're we're kind of running into is like

Ellayou have said, we're setting a lot of standards for men, but we aren't setting standards for women. And I think a lot of these things of chivalry and of as well for women virtue. These should be personal standards we have just for

Ellaourselves. You know, we don't need to have the other sex in them. >> But it is it is frustrating for men if you know we are expecting so much of them and open every door and do all of these things. But how are you going to

Ellabe able to provide for them? It it is a fair argument and men do want to be able to be provided in that sense. you know, it comes with a distortion. Nowadays, our culture is really sexually saturated. So then that translates now

Ellainto, you know, sexuality, whether they want essentially customized pornography of you or they want all of these different things, you know, and women say, "Oh, yeah, I can provide that, but ultimately

Ellathat's not the utmost which we should be providing." And this is loosely from CS Lewis. He had said that the ultimate career is motherhood and everything else supports that. So you had said that

Ellawomen sacrifice their bodies and destroy their bodies from child birth, but that's actually not true. Giving birth to children will make you healthier. It will decrease your rates of cancer. It's it's just a good thing to do generally

Ellaspeaking, you know, >> for some. But I mean, if we're looking in the the reality and the statistics, >> yeah, women ain't dying in child birth much anymore. That ain't a thing really. >> Yeah, I agree. Really? I agree. They

Diana Sixtohave diastasis. >> It ain't a thing really. Yeah, >> they have diiaasis recti and they have their bodies reshaped and the only way to put it back together is with surgery. >> This is some great antiatalist propaganda

Diana Sixtoconservative women is this is literally anti-natalist propaganda reporting as a conservative political commentator >> to speak facts is propaganda. >> That's well okay how many how many women does this affect?

Diana Sixto>> Most women have diiaasis recti after >> and they need to be surgically put together since this is a day. >> Do they need to get surgically put together after? means that their muscles separate >> and then even if you work out and do all

Diana Sixtothe bounceback stuff, they won't come back together unless you have surgery. >> But does that do most of these women need to have surgery? >> Well, for a man like you, if they looked the way they looked like after childirth without any kind of help being put back together, I don't think you would be

Andrew Wilsonattracted to. >> Do they need to have surgery to get put back together or not? >> Yes. >> No. They can live their lives perfectly comfortably without it. Not only that, yes, it's a choice. And

Andrew Wilsonby the way, while it's the case, and I already gave you the counter to this, while it's the case that I would even grant that child birth is is can be destructive on women's bodies, especially when they get older, >> which is why you should get married younger. But

Andrew Wilson>> I did. >> Men destroy their bodies at work toiling also. So, who cares? >> Is destroying his body on a lot of Do I think that you're going to get Hang on. Do I think you're going to get like post >> I'm just saying men should have an option.

Brian Atlas>> Do you think sitting is good? Do you think sitting is good? No. What the heck? >> Yeah, it's bad for the body to be sitting. >> But but it's not just that [ __ ] computer. I got carpal tunnel syndrome. My [ __ ] back hurts. My neck hurts.

Andrew WilsonYou're not going to plant animals. What I'm saying is you have an option. >> And you're 32 without children. So what the [ __ ] are you talking about? Exactly. >> I have an option to do that just like you have an option. Have a podcast. But you see the equivalency of the

Andrew Wilsonargument is to say >> even though yes, it's true most men toil. Brian doesn't toil. It's like, okay, I can see the argument, but you're in the same position. While it's true that maybe most women with children X happens to, I can point to you and say

Andrew Wilsonit doesn't happen to you. So, where have we gotten? That's not how you argue. Probably will happen. >> If you're going to make an argument, if you're going to make an argument, you should make the argument based on what it is that we're discussing, not the individuals.

Andrew WilsonThe well, the men are making the equal sacrifice socially and society when they have the top most horrific jobs toil and die in them. And so, the idea Yeah. So the idea here is like that's not a >> no you ask what it is that women do

Andrew Wilsonunder >> that's not a unique proposition like the lifeboats though what are we getting or the draft or things like this what are we getting in exchange for those things >> right that is on the equal pale for that >> what is it that you want

Andrew Wilson>> what does that have to do with anything >> because I'm I'm curious what is it that you want >> I want you to make an argument that's what I want >> I want you to ask me to tell me what it is that you want >> I want you to tell I want you to make an argument for what's equivalent >> for you being a shiverous Man,

Diana Sixto>> I want you to make an argument against my argument. >> I'll make you an an argument and it is that men bond through vasopressin versus women bond through oxytocin. And you know what creates vasopressin in men?

Diana SixtoBeing useful to women and having a purpose >> versus so men actually become more attractive to women when they are doing things for women. So >> when they're having a purpose, when

Andrew Wilsonthey're adding value to their life. >> So men's purpose is to serve women. >> Wonderful. That's what >> is that? Is that the case? Men's purpose. Hang on. Let her answer. Is it men's purpose to serve women? >> Scientifically speaking, they are

Diana Sixtohappier when they do. >> I'm asking you. Is it men's purpose to serve women? >> I don't I think it's men's purpose to have a good family and a life, not to I think they should serve society. How's that? >> Okay. But it sounds like the best way

Diana Sixtothat they can do that society is to serve by being a gentleman. >> Is to serve women because that ups a chemical in their body, right? It's by being useful to women because yes it makes them it makes them productive

Diana Sixto>> really the best mother members of society. So again my question so I >> so really the best the hang on I just want to clarify this real quick. So really the best way for men to serve society is to serve women >> is to serve their community and women

Andrew Wilsonare a part of it. >> Yeah but the serving the women particularly is what releases the chemical out of women. Is that the case that it's the chemical release that is assisting them in all other things that

Andrew Wilsonthey're doing? So primarily by serving women that would release that chemical. So they ought to do that, right? >> If they want to be happy and productive members of society. >> So if they want to be happy, productive members of society, men serve women. Got

Diana Sixtoit. Okay. Now ask your question. >> That's what you should be. Got it. >> Correct. And and so since I answered your question, why don't you answer mine, which is what do you want to get out of women in exchange for you being a

Andrew Wilsongentleman? Right. >> Yeah. So you're talking about preference now in generality societywide, right? >> What is it that you want out of women? >> Yeah. So I would ask, are you asking are you asking me as an individual or you asking me what I would prescribe

Andrew Wilsonsocietywise? >> No, you as an individual, what do you want? And a woman for you. My personal preferences for women would have nothing to do at all with the argument, but I would give you Yeah, I'll give you the

Andrew WilsonI'll give you what I would generally would prescribe. I think it would be a much wiser idea prescriptively >> from the government top down to begin running any type of propaganda possible for women.

Andrew Wilson>> Stop. Stop. He's answering the question. Stop interrupting. for women for women to move into marriages younger rather than older. And the reason why that's a good thing is because it negates a lot of that damage to the body. It negates a

Andrew Wilsonlot of these [ __ ] problems where women are now we're under the threshold for having our own kids. You're a conservative. You don't like mass migration. Women got to have more kids. >> Otherwise, it still going to have have to have more kids. >> What do you want out of a woman in

Andrew Wilsonexchange for you being a gentleman? >> Oh, for me to be a Oh, no. I'm not I'm not going to be a gentleman to any woman. >> Okay. Thank you for I'm not going to be a gentleman to any woman at all ever. Yeah. No. [ __ ] that. You got equal. You

Andrew Wilsongot equality. I'll be nice to women and I'll be polite to them like I am men, but I'm not going to do anything [ __ ] extra for women. [ __ ] that. >> You're known for that. >> Being a gentleman is extra. >> I haven't been mean to you. We've just been arguing.

Diana Sixto>> Okay. So, >> is that is that an argument? If you had a best guy friend, >> what would you tell them that, hey, you should want your woman to give you this in exchange for you being a gentleman

Andrew Wilsonand giving them that? What is it that you want out of a woman? >> Oh, well then I would just you would be you would want uh deep religious convictions, submissiveness and virtues. >> That's not my answer. What is it that

Diana Sixtowhat is it that's unique? Because a man can also be religious, right? And everything that you just mentioned. So what is unique to a woman? Mhm. >> that you want in return for being a gentleman. >> Well, I don't understand. You mean what? You mean what uniquely can a woman give

Diana Sixtofor that? >> Yes. What is it that what is it that you want? >> Chastity specifically. >> That can be also something that a man gives, >> but it's not a thing that women value. >> No, no, no. You >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. You said something unique that a

Diana Sixtowoman can give. >> Women can give feminine virtue, which is unique. Men cannot give feminine virtue. >> What are >> What is the one unique one unique thing?

Andrew WilsonVirgin child. Virgin child would be chastity, virtue, child. Can men do that? >> So, you want >> Can men do that? >> So, >> no. Repeat back what I just said.

Diana Sixto>> You You clearly are not answering my question or understanding it, but I think I think super small. I'll tell you what, use super small words. Go ahead. >> I think you're in your feminine energy because you're asking. >> He likes yes or no questions only for

Diana Sixtosomething. >> I'm trying to answer. I don't know what she's what what am I missing >> feminine energy because you're asking women for something in return for being a proper gentleman and just having the

Diana Sixtorole in society that you should have and that Vaso Preston is the way that you bond by being >> by serving women by serving women. >> Good server. >> Why don't we even rant that Andrew is in

Andrew Wilsonhis feminine energy because he's wanting something from women. >> I'm asking him to name it. >> Name what? >> What is it? >> What is she asking me to name though? What is it that you want from women? >> I literally just told you if I was going

Andrew Wilsonto make a societalwide prescription one the one unique >> stop talking about society you >> my personal preferences have nothing to do with the the virtues but yes

Andrew Wilsonsubmission and not only that men are in a unique men are in a unique position where they can ask from women what they want. The main thing that women can do they can do is they can be chased give

Andrew Wilsonchildren take care of the children. That is a unique thing while men work that they can do in the tender years that they're necessary for. >> That's all you want out of a woman is them giving you children. Is that that can be an answer? That can be an answer. You

Andrew Wilson>> said submissive. >> Final answer. >> Yes. And and chastity. Yes. Which is a feminine virtue. >> Don't you think? >> Well, I'm asking for is actually just this. I think that women could make the great case for chivalry. If it was the

Andrew Wilsoncase that they were moving towards feminine virtue, then I think they could make the case male virtue, we want some sort of privilege, which is what you used to have that you argue against like

Andrew Wilsonno debt, things like that. Those were privileges. But the idea now that if you say women are not to move towards the idea of virtue but just some sort of like compromise of sexual discipline or

Andrew Wilsonsomething like this I don't think that they are in any position to ask for the lifeboat situation or any sort of chivalry at all. Why should they? >> We started this whole conversation on

Diana Sixtoyou know men do this for women because they are being chivalous. So what do men get back in return? That's what we discussed. And then my final question

Megan Loftesswas what do you want in return? >> Yeah. Me personally has nothing to do that question. >> I'm not. My personal preferences have nothing to do with the argument that men asking less of women.

Andrew Wilson>> Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Stop. Let me ask you this. Okay. >> Let's say that I woke up tomorrow and I went out and I just like [ __ ] beat a guy to death with a hammer. >> Okay. >> And then the next day in court, I went out and I made an announcement and I

Andrew Wilsonsaid, "You know what, everybody? Beating somebody to death with a hammer is bad. >> Okay. What would me actually having beat the person to death with the hammer have to do with me then saying that beating

Andrew Wilsonthem to death with the hammer was bad? It would still be bad. I would still be correct whether or not I engaged in the beating of him to death with the hammer. Right. >> Yes. And that's called hypocrisy. Which is why you get called out on it as a

Diana Sixtoresult. >> That wouldn't even be hypocrisy. >> Yes, it is. That is actually the definition of hypocrisy to beat a man with a hammer and the next day say that it is bad to hit people with a hammer.

Andrew Wilson>> I see. So it is the case that that um I smoke. So if my 11-year-old comes to me and says, "Dad, should I smoke?" And I say, "No, I'm a hypocrite." >> Yes.

Andrew Wilson>> You're setting the worst example by ding it, then it's not a good example. You're nonverbally expressing that they should >> Hang on, hang on. I have I have in the

Andrew Wilsonpast drunk and drive and drove. So if I tell a 10-year-old, >> do not drink and drive, I'm a hypocrite, right? >> Would you do it again? Do you do it again? >> Well, whether or not I would do it again. >> Would the guy who beat the guy to death with a hammer do it again? He says it's

Diana Sixtobad. >> No, but the example you set previous to that was you smoking. So that is a continuous thing. Not that you smoked once. It's you smoking that makes it a continuous thing that you do >> and telling your child not to. That is hypocritical.

Andrew Wilson>> Okay. >> Because you're nonverbally telling if that's the case. Am I driving continuously? >> No. In that case, >> hang on. Am I driving continuously? >> Completely different. >> Okay, hang on. Am I driving continuously? If I am, what right do I have to tell my 10-year-old that they

Andrew Wilsoncan't continuously drive? >> That is not a hypocritical. What's the difference? >> I will tell you that. >> I can't wait to hear it. >> Yeah, that is I made a mistake. I didn't do anything. >> No, no, not drinking and driving. Just driving a car. I drive a car all the

Diana Sixtotime. What right then I then have to tell my 10-year-old they can't drive a car? That would make me a hypocrite, right? >> No, that because you have a logical explanation, which is you can't you can't drive a car because you can't

Andrew Wilsondrive a car till you're 16 because it's the law. >> Wait a second. I I'm I'm super curious about this. So, as long as there's a law, you're not a hypocrite. >> No, because you have So, isn't there a law that you can't smoke till you're 18? >> Do you think

Andrew Wilson>> Isn't there a law you can't smoke till you're 21? >> Are you okay? Isn't there a law you can't smoke till you're 21? So then therefore, by that same logic, me telling a kid not to smoke, I still wouldn't be a hypocrite. Uh I think we need to change the system. I have to do

Brian Atlasa couple. We need to change. We actually are going to do a a seat change because triangle hands. >> Uh you're actually opposition now. So we're going to put you on the other side

Brian Atlasof the table. So you >> you two will switch seats. >> Let's do Okay. >> You two will switch seats. Um >> because uh I don't want Andrew's neck

Brian Atlas[ __ ] cranked the entire show. Uh we also have this chat coming in. Uh >> Chair Eight Blonde donated $200. >> Oh boy. >> $200 just to say that and specific

Diana Sixtospecifically a username. That's Chair Blonde cares a lot about you. >> That changes the >> people are paying money >> just to talk to you. >> Exactly. >> Here. Just say just say what you wanted to say. >> See how we can do this. I think it's best.

Ella>> Okay. We don't need to talk about the change. Just do the change. Go ahead. >> Let's go. >> Yeah. Um I think just important to note in this conversation, we talked a lot about, you know, what's going to benefit

Ellasociety most that was thrown around a lot. Um and again, it seems like an argument between men and women, but the biggest emphasis on it should be the children. You know, that's the growing generation that's going to be what is

Ellamost impactful. And we can't really have these conversations. >> Has this ever happened, by the way? You know, the switching of the chairs. >> Oh, yeah. It's happened. Did I just make history, guys? >> No. No. But you get your She actually

Brian Atlasbefore the show, she wanted to be on that side because of she it's her side. She has a better side. >> So, I did get >> So, now you get the uh >> the good side. >> You get the good side. All right. Continue on, please.

Ella>> Yeah. Um but regardless, having the the emphasis on having a good society, the emphasis should be on children. Now, this is turning the the wheels a little bit because I've never been at a table

Ellawith this many people who work in the um guess you could say adult >> film industry. >> Um so, I've had quite a few friends who have done everything from Only Fans to

Ellastripping to prostitution. And every time I have seen it, I have always seen it as a form of self harm. It's something that happens in, you know, early childhood. there's some form of molestation of assault.

Ella>> Oh my god. >> Leads to Ben women doing sex work. So >> soon. >> No, I'm saying that this >> just it's not it's >> it's bad for toos. >> I'm not going to get into we're not going to [ __ ] talk about that.

Anya (Ana Lacy)>> Okay. >> Um but uh >> can I ask hold on hold on >> that's not always true. >> Yeah, definitely not. >> There's usually some kind of harm behind it. There is >> for sure.

Megan Loftess>> I disagree. Would you be okay? >> I'd say most of the time somebody got I think that's just generalizing a very complicated issue for the girls that do >> especially people forced into it. >> Would you be okay with the girls that

Anya (Ana Lacy)are at the table that do work in the industry like just by raising of hands if you have had some kind of sexual inappropriateness in the past, you know, molestation? >> Well, I don't even think you're saying it's only that word. I think you're

Anya (Ana Lacy)saying in general some kind of harm happened to them. I'm not interested in having the sex work bad debate. It's boring. Um, >> well, can I ask a question? How are you not a Because you don't classify

Diana Sixtoyourself as a feminist, right? How not? >> Because I believe that mar I believe in traditional marriage. I want traditional marriage. I believe in loyalty. I

Anya (Ana Lacy)believe in faithfulness. But you want traditional marriage without like >> be uh without being a traditional woman and without automatically being a traditional woman without

Diana Sixto>> if having a career makes me a non-traditional woman, then sure, call me a non-traditional woman. That's how we're losing elections. >> Well, not even that. It's just conservatives. Thank you. That's why we're driving more to the left by

Diana Sixtochastising them for being individuals while at the same time being able to be mothers and being able to manage a household. It's the married women who are voting Republican. They vote the same way their husbands do.

Diana Sixto>> And why are there so many that are unmarried and are voting Democrat? Is it because of people like you that >> No, it's because of the >> talking heads for the college or for the

Andrew Wilsonright. >> Some people would consider you that. >> So you're taller. The >> So >> Oh, I don't give a [ __ ] about that. I don't know. Just so you're taller. Yeah. So anyway, the thing is

Andrew Wilson>> if you can just put >> Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, um what if you're asking about liberal democrat women, the reason that they are is because of higher education rates in university. That's why most women lean more

Andrew Wilsonprogressive than men do. That's why. And they don't have the same benefit of the same type of career. So men, they're dealing with sewer systems. They're dealing with lineman systems. They're dealing with heavy electrical systems. They're actually dealing with systems

Andrew Wilsonwhich are dangerous. They have some stake. They understand how systems work better generally. Okay? >> At least the ones that they live inside. They don't have the same university indoctrination that women do. Married women on the other hand tend to move

Andrew Wilsontowards their their husband's politics and vote towards their husband's politics. >> Okay? >> So the best thing for the GOP would be to let or or encourage marriage, especially religious marriage, >> not so much secular

Diana Sixto>> force. So let's talk in again realism. You can't force a religion upon a person, right? So how would you >> enforce the ethics >> how how is it that outside of religion

Diana Sixtoyou would convince a person that this traditional marriage situation is >> it's not a traditional marriage without religion what would make it traditional >> okay so a lot of people would disagree with you >> okay tell me what makes a marriage

Andrew Wilsonabsent if you're saying tradition what would make a non-religious marriage >> traditional I personally believe that the person that I want to marry should believe in God as well >> yeah but that's not my My question is

Andrew Wilsonbut that is not negating the fact that there's other people that can be >> how could it be a traditional marriage absent religion when traditional marriages were all done through the church >> because we live in modern society >> then it wouldn't be traditional

Diana Sixtomarriage. >> Okay. So why bother that we were having at the beginning of the show which is which is again that then why not just get married for the

Andrew Wilsonshow with a pastor in a church and not do the legal paperwork signing afterwards. You're operating in >> awesome idea for you. You want legal marriage and through the state and that

Diana Sixtomakes no sense from your view. >> It's what exists. It's not what I want. It's what exists. >> You don't have to do that. M >> Brian's frustrated cuz we're going to go back to this conversation again. >> Well, I want to be >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> I almost am just in this moment. I'm contemplating. >> Why don't we just get you guys a one v one debate scheduled for cuz I want to be because the second they leave the room, they never do the debate. That's why.

Diana Sixto>> No, I think she Well, I mean, >> are you kidding me? I will happily be back here for you, Andrew. I can't wait to do that. >> You leave tomorrow, Andrew. >> I will stay an extra day. >> I can't. Yeah, I can't stay. >> Andrew can't do You can't stay. >> You can't stay an extra day. What time's your flight, Andrew? >> Darn.

SPEAKER_01>> What time's your flight, Andrew? >> Uh, I think it's like >> My flight tomorrow is at 6:00 in the morning and I'm here >> and I >> Do you want to extend a day >> and we'll do a one v one debate and it will be firecracker. >> Mhm. >> No, I can't extend. >> Oh, you can't extend. >> No, I can't extend. I have somewhere

Brian Atlaselse. >> Get on the flight in the American app. You know, >> he he has other I have somewhere else I got to be. >> He has other engagements. Okay. >> Well, we'll schedule it for a future time. Not to say that you guys can't engage tonight, but I I do want to to be

Brian Atlasfair. Uh and I want to try >> yes though to invite me back. >> Oh, I'm >> okay. >> On our as long >> Yes, I'll come >> on our end. We're good to go. >> Great. Fantastic. >> We'd love to have you back as as long as

Diana Sixtoyou're fine with it. Um >> do you want to do >> You don't seem as excited about that idea. Why is that, Andrew? >> Cuz you're not a good debater. >> You think so? >> I'm just got invited back. Yeah. Well,

Andrew Wilsonthat's I think that that's for Brian's Brian Brian's entertainment. But I think I think the second you looked at the camera and basically said that men need to serve women, your whole TPUSA FEMCON thing was exposed. >> No, I think men need to serve society

Andrew Wilsonand as a result, you need to serve women to do that. >> Yeah. Because it releases a chemical releases a chemical >> and that is the thing by serving women

Diana Sixtothat allows them to serve society. No, it's what makes them happy to serve them and their community. >> They're happy to serve women >> their community. Yes. >> But specifically, they get the chemical from the women. >> They get the chemical from action

Megan Loftess>> from making women happy. >> But you don't plan Do you plan to create a community anytime soon or with your husband? I'm a part of a community. One, I think communities are strengthened when there are marriages in that

Diana Sixtocommunity with kids. >> Do you want kids? >> Yes, I want kids. I plan on having kids. Absolutely. I'm going to have kids and maybe in like probably 3 years we'll be back and introduce a little >> How many kids do you want? >> Probably like three. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And do you want to >> stay home with them for the first like five years or so of their life? >> Yeah, I more than that actually. I plan on

Diana Sixtodoing remote work and also homeschooling and also having my passions and being at home because I want to be the person to instill. >> Let me uh I understand. Let me add in on

Andrew Wilsonthe us men serving women and how it brings them happiness. >> You know what? >> If you think about if you think about >> Rachel back here. >> Oh, >> after the 25th if she if she wants to debate with Rachel.

Megan Loftess>> Rachel come after the 25th. She >> Oh, that >> keep going. >> Okay, we'll figure >> when it comes to dating and having a

Brian Atlaslong-term relationship. Just in my own experience, I've noticed that when a man is able to help me get a task done or >> I apologize. I have to adjust your microphone. Can I have you tilt your microphone down and scoot it this way

Megan Loftesslike two inches? I'm just doing some adjustments since you guys switch chairs. Scoot the mic that way. >> This way. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. So, when the man is able to

Megan Loftessprovide maybe a meal for me or help me with a task that maybe I typically don't like to do, like getting my oil changed or, you know, masculine things that I don't I I as a woman don't really like,

Megan Loftessum, it feels good for the both of us because I'm allowing him to be the caretaker, the provider, the leader, and he is bringing that um, masculine energy to me and making me feel soft and

Diana Sixtofeminine. So, I can see the argument that when men serve women, they're happier. >> Have you never had a man like pissed off at you for like letting at least that's

Diana Sixtothat happens with me like very often that my boyfriend's like, "Let me do it. Like, let me carry it. Let me grab it." And they almost get like frustrated that you don't let them do it or that you do

Diana Sixtoit themselves. That is a man in their healthy masculine energy. And we need more of those kinds of men >> for society. I wish we could like copy and paste. Like we're propping up men for being men, but when are we going to

Megan Loftessprop up women for being women? I feel like having children is no longer popular. I feel like No, no, I literally don't mean this offensively, but people maybe like you are in your position or

Megan Loftesswomen who are have a really cool powerful position or work really hard and make money. So money is power, right? >> No. But do you look down on women for not going into the workforce that just

Megan Loftesswanted to be, you know, and maybe you don't look down on them, but I feel like it's popular and trendy and it's kind of making people feel sad or bad about themselves for giving up and becoming a mother. And I feel like that's how society's phrasing it. >> I like that so much. And I don't like

Diana Sixtothat. >> I I really do respect women more than anything that decide to be full-time moms. like stay-at-home moms being the person that cooks, cleans, looks after their kids, and does that full-time?

Diana SixtoAbsolutely. You know, I'm actually trying to get them more respect from the men who say, "Oh, she just stays at home and doesn't work." That is the point that I'm making here. She does work. In

Diana Sixtofact, she doesn't she works round the clock, not just a 9 to5, 8 hour shift that you clock in and clock out of. And so I want men to value that kind of work

Diana Sixtoso that when they come into a union with a woman, they don't just think to themselves, oh, I'm going to pay for and they're going to >> I got to let other people, you know, >> I got to let other people come in at

Brian Atlasthis point. Um, >> all right. Did anybody on the previous conversation did anybody So, basically, look, we were talking about it originated one of your notes there. >> Basically, my position is I don't

Brian Atlasbelieve uh Women who are not trad don't deserve, excuse me, women who are not traditional do not deserve traditional treatment. That's my position. So traditional

Brian Atlastreatment would encompass chivalry. That would encompass paying for dates, side observing the sidewalk rule, etc., etc.

Megan Loftess>> But men don't want to do that. >> If if you're not traditional woman, they don't want to do that for you. If they have that knowledge, >> you're not. >> Yeah. That's good.

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