Andrew Wilson vs. 10 Feminists DEBATE! 3 RAGE QUITS?! SUPER FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! | Dating Talk 283

Date: 2026-02-23

Duration: 10h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMia (Canadian)>

AAndrew Wilson >

AAnya (Ana Lacy)>

CCourtney (MS)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Mars(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sarah (Angelique)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Mia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kayla (Passes)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mary Jane(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Courtney (MS)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Diana Sixto(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ella(guest)

SPEAKER_12Megan Loftess(guest)

SPEAKER_13Anya (Ana Lacy)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Megan Loftess(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 14 guests introduced - most overbooked ever

Key MomentElla reveals she eats raw chicken and pork, believes in terrain theory

Key MomentAndrew Wilson and Diana Sixto begin marathon prenup/feminism debate

Key MomentAndrew presents force doctrine to the panel

ControversyAndrew gets Diana to accept she is a feminist by definition

Key MomentBrian reads Mars' full dominatrix service menu. Nuclear explosion sound effects.

QuoteElla: circumcision is genital mutilation that should never be done to babies

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

14 people - most overbooked episode ever. Includes Andrew Wilson, Mars (dominatrix), Diana Sixto, Ella (raw meat eater).

Ella's Raw Meat Diet

Eats raw chicken and pork. Believes in terrain theory. Parasites are beneficial.

Prenup Debate: Andrew vs Diana

Extended debate on prenups, women financial independence, marriage as institution.

Chivalry Debate

Brian argues sex workers don't deserve chivalry. Extended panel debate.

Andrew's Force Doctrine

Men monopolize force, women always appeal to men for rights. Feminism dismantling patriarchy is circular.

Mars Dominatrix Services

Brian reads Mars' full service menu including toilet play, CBT, financial domination.

Ella on Circumcision

Final hot take: circumcision is genital mutilation that should be illegal.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasWelcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. We're just going to jump right in. Why don't you introduce yourself? Go ahead. >> Hello.

Mars>> Into the mic, please. >> Sorry. Hello. My name is Mars. I am 29, turning 30 this March. Yay, Pisces

Marsseason. And I am from the East Coast, living in San Diego now for 10 years though, so

Marslocal. And I've done some college. My profession is I'm a business owner, body worker, and

Brian Atlaspro goddess and dominatrix. Okay. Uh we will explore some of that stuff a little bit uh later on. When you

Marswere in college, what were you studying? >> Um I was going the dietetics route, but I definitely should have just done psychology. Maybe I would have gotten through.

Mary Jane>> Okay. What about you? >> Hi. Um my name is Ivy. I'm 26 years old and I'm from New Mexico.

Mary JaneI am currently in college for cyber security and I'm a sex worker. >> Uh, can you be more detailed? >> I work for Only Fans, Sex Panther,

Mary Janeand Hidden. >> Okay. You do any stripping or dancing or anything like that? >> So, I'm a content creator. Um, I'm not safer work content creator and I also do

Megan Loftesssafer work content creation. Um, I have danced before. Okay, got it. What about you? >> I'm Mary Jane. I'm 36 years old. I'm

Megan Loftessfrom San Diego. I am a dominatrix. I also do uh Fireflow uh artistry and I'm a Shabari artist as well as a go-go

Megan Loftessdancer and an only fans model. I have some college experience, but I didn't graduate. Um my major was going to be Arabic and I wanted to be an interpreter. >> Okay. Uh any particular reason for the

Megan LoftessArabic or >> I'm uh Lebanese um but I was born and raised in San Diego and I thought that I could >> be an interpreter to help people in court. Um >> are your parents Muslim? >> Yes.

Megan Loftess>> Are you Muslim? >> I consider myself an ex-Muslim. >> Uh do you still have a relationship with your parents? >> Yes. >> Are they devout Muslim? I would say my

Megan Loftessmom is the kind of Muslim that goes to church on Christmas, >> if that makes sense. >> What about your dad though? >> My dad is less religious. It It's

Megan Loftessinteresting actually. He went from being somewhat religious to less religious and now he's more religious in his older age. >> Okay. Um, do they have an issue with

Megan Loftessyour sex work? >> My mother only knows that I'm a Shabari artist. She doesn't know that I'm a dominatrix. and she doesn't know that I have Only Fans. And my father thinks that I'm mostly just performing on stage as like a dancer. I keep most of it

Miaprivate. >> Okay. All right. What about you? >> I'm Mia. I'm from Kingston, Ontario, Canada, and I am 26, an exotic dancer, and an OF model.

Mia>> All right. And sorry, did you say anything about college or? >> Um, no. I just took one credit in college. When I finished my high school, it was like a dual credit, so it doesn't really count that much. >> Okay. What about you?

Kayla (Passes)>> Hi, I'm Kayla. I'm 22 and I'm from Ohio, but I live in Los Angeles now. And I've been a content creator since 2021 and I monetize on passes and I dropped out of college.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Sorry, could you repeat your age? >> Yeah, I'm 22. >> 22. Okay. Have you ever done Only Fans or anything like that? >> Just passes. >> What is passes? Is that >> it's like familyfriendly only fans? >> What kind of content do you post on

Brian Atlasthere? >> I post bikini content. >> Any partially nude content? >> No. >> So, not nude content. Okay. All right. And are you a Christian?

Kayla (Passes)>> I would say I'm more spiritual, but I use Christianity as like a moral guideline type of thing. >> Because I noticed in some of your bios you have uh scripture. Yeah, I have I

Brian Atlasthink it's John 8:32 in there. >> Okay, gotcha. Um, the passes content is it >> uh do you do you receive demographics?

Brian AtlasNathan, we do need like uh whoever's talking if you can. Um, okay. So, your passes content, uh, do you do you know the demographics of who buys

Kayla (Passes)your stuff? >> No, I have no idea. >> They don't have analytics or anything like that? I haven't looked at them recently. Do you mean like gender or age or location? >> Well, it would encompass all that, but

Brian AtlasI'm primarily looking for gender. >> Yeah, it's like probably 99% male. >> Okay. And is it like you're posting bikini content? Is it suggestive? >> Is it sexually suggestive even though

Kayla (Passes)you're not nude? >> It's not sexually suggestive. I The way that I describe it is kind of like my Instagram, but for my fans that want to see more photos of me.

Andrew WilsonCan they pay to get certain poses >> quicker? No, not certain poses. >> No, >> Essentially, just kind of like more photos. >> So, there's no requests, nothing like that. >> There are. >> Do you take money for those requests?

Kayla (Passes)>> Can you be more specific? >> Like, if somebody said, "I'll send you a,000 bucks if you, you know, do a bikini pick like this." Would you do that? >> Yeah. If it if it fell in the guidelines of what I'm comfortable with doing.

Sarah (Angelique)>> Okay. >> Uh Okay. Uh, what about you? >> Hi, I'm Sarah. I'm 26 years old from Michigan. Um, I have my associates

Sarah (Angelique)degree in liberal arts and general education and I work at um, Monster. >> Sorry, repeat your age. I'm sorry. >> 26. >> 26. Okay. >> And I work at Monster Energy giving out

Sarah (Angelique)cans, putting cans in hands. Um, I also sing songwriter. >> That's me. >> Okay. Uh, did you say college? >> Yeah, associates. Associates degree >> in in what?

Anya (Ana Lacy)>> Uh, liberal arts and general education. >> Okay, got it. All right. What about you? >> Hi, I'm Ana Lacy. I'm 20. Um, I do Only Fans and I did most like I did a decent

Diana Sixtoamount of college, almost got my AA, but dropped out right before then. >> All right. What about you? >> My name is Diana Sixto. I am 32. I'm based out of Miami, Florida. and I am

Diana Sixtothe Spanish media director for the Lincoln Media Foundation. Prior to that, I was spokesperson for Turning Point Action. I also have my own weekly news show in Spanish for Clar Directo

Diana SixtoAmerica, which is a right-wing conservative um YouTube channel. I graduated from FIU, Florida International University with a double bachelor's in international relations

Courtney (MS)and political science. >> All right, welcome. Welcome. What about you? >> Uh my name is Courtney. I'm 36. Um, I came from from Mississippi, Belixy,

Courtney (MS)Mississippi. I have a bachelor's of science in psychology with a minor in criminal justice and my job is a social worker. >> You said a BS in psychology. >> Yes, sir.

Courtney (MS)>> Uh, when did you attain? >> Um, 2017 or excuse me, 2016 or 2020. I went to William Kerry University. Uh it

Brian Atlasis it is quite a long time ago but just could you relay to me one thing that you since you do have a bachelor's in psychology one thing that you could

Courtney (MS)relay to us that you learned >> the lyic system it um controls your um fight or flight your parasympathetic and

Courtney (MS)your sympathetic nervous system things like anxiety um depression stress and it directly affects trauma

Courtney (MS)inside the brain. And a fun fact, a um childhood trauma PTSD brain and a combat trauma PTS PTSD brain look exactly the same in a

Megan Loftessbrain scan. >> Okay. All right. What about you? Or uh let's go. >> Sorry. >> Yeah, if you can pass it. >> Hi, I'm Megan Loftess. Um

Megan Loftess>> can uh can you you can you scoot this way? just like just lean a little bit. Well, you don't have to do that much, but >> Thanks. Hi, I'm Megan Loftess and um I'm from Chicago. I'm do standup comedian

Megan Loftessright now. I'm a traditional daughter and I just hang out with my parents a lot and do standup. And then um >> age >> I'm 28. Um, and I have I'm like one

Megan Loftessclass away from getting my bachelor's in communication at Northeastern Illinois University, which is a state school in Chicago. >> Okay. Do you know somebody named Kate Loftess?

Ella>> There's a lot of Loftesses. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh, next. >> Hi, my name is Dianiela. I'm 21 years old. I live in Tennessee and very

Ellaexplicitly not sexual at all, but I'm a massage therapist. Um, and I also instruct in Pilates and do some social media, but it's nowhere in the um adult content field. >> And you've never done that, is that

Brian Atlascorrect? No. >> Okay. Uh, you also I looked at some of your content. >> You uh you're I don't know what the right term is. You eat raw. Is that the right way to categorize that?

Ella>> Yes. Yeah, I follow a raw animal-based diet. So, the majority of my food is from everything from raw meat, raw organs, raw eggs, raw dairy. >> So, you'll you won't cook a steak.

Brian AtlasYou'll just Is it even a steak at that point? It's just Is it still a steak if it's not cooked? >> Yeah, cuz I mean you still go to the store and you say, "I'll have that steak." >> Okay. So, you you'll eat a raw steak. >> Yes. Like steak tartar, for example.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But but you'll just have a there'll be a slab of meat like some some center cut tenderloin or something and you'll just eat it completely raw uncooked. Is that correct? >> Yeah, you you can go for it. Including

Ellapork, including chicken. >> Would you like cook it as a cheat meal? >> Quicker. Quicker. >> I do have No, I do have uh cooked meat on occasion. Um but again, raw animal based, so the majority of meat I eat is raw.

Ella>> Wait, can you clarify on the chicken real quick? >> Yeah. Um so it's a very different kind of belief than what is generally it's based in terrain theory. Uh so you actually want to increase salmonella

Ellaexposure which is something generally people would be not too privy to. So having everything from raw eggs to get more salmonella exposure and also raw chicken. >> I was going to say do you start with like raw eggs to build up that exposure?

EllaI didn't need to. You know, I went from over a decade of vegetarianism and veganism and then I went straight into the raw chicken and haven't looked back. >> Have you gotten sick? >> No, it's been three years and I have not gotten sick. >> Congratulations. Very nice. Strong immune system.

Ella>> Yeah. >> So, you'll but you'll just leave meat out overnight, too, right? >> Yes. Yeah. There's different kinds of fermented meat. That's called high meat. So, you can ferment it up to weeks and eat it. Same with eggs, same with milk,

Ellasame, you know, raw dairy. You can ferment a lot. Um but it is good if you leave it out overnight because it gets more bacterial exposure. >> What about parasites? >> Yeah, exactly. What about parasites? So

Ellaum again within terrain theory, this is completely different than germ theory, which is the standard narrative. Um and the idea is that parasites are not

Ellanecessarily a negative. There's a lot of benefits that you can have to them. Um, and parasites being used as beneficial because they're actually able to eat dead tissue within the intestines.

Diana Sixto>> Some people detox like go through a parasite detox using wormwood >> and specifically not to have any kind of parasites within them. So, I haven't heard your theory, but I'm willing to learn about different

Ella>> different things. I mean, I'm surprised you're here, so that's a good thing, right? >> Yeah. I mean, I'm here. I'm still kicking. Um, I anticipate to continue kicking. Um, but I can get more into that later and into the history of it into kind of how I got into

Brian Atlas>> that way of eating. >> But like if somebody just jumped into it, like could a normal person just eat with you in the sense that like you've maybe built up a tolerance to the

Brian Atlassalmonella or whatever the [ __ ] Like could could I just join you for the dinner you eat or would it have to be like a buildup? >> No, normal people join me all the time. I mean I have friends that come over and

Ellathey try it. I had a raw meat eating party one time where I prepared like a bunch of chicken and purposefully invited friends who had never tried it before. They're like fine, okay, I'll dry a little bit and they tried and they didn't get sick and they felt fine and

Diana Sixtothey feel happy. Do you at least season things in like lime to kill off bacteria? Because that's a thing that you do with ceviche, which is >> Peruvian food, which you cook the fish

Ellabut with a lime sauce, so it kills off the bacteria. Do you do any of that? I mean sometimes like just for fun but I don't make a practice of it and you know same is applicable to pork. >> Got it.

Ella>> Do you only eat raw food? >> No, it's it's raw animal based. So that's the majority of my food. But I'm not I would say insanely religious about it. You know on on special occasions for example, you know, I'll have some bread.

Brian AtlasSo >> but I mean if you're going to eat meat, is it always raw? >> I'd say about 90% of the time. >> Okay. Interesting.

Andrew Wilson>> Okay. Uh, Andrew, what about you? >> Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson. Uh, I'm also on Only Fans. I have the largest female clientele in the United States.

Andrew WilsonThat's you can find me on dadbod.com. So, that's uh that's who I am. That's what I do.

Andrew Wilson>> I also sell I uh I sell feet pics on feetinder.com. Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson, the host of The Crucible. Um, it's a very large

Andrew Wilsonpolitical debate channel on YouTube. I'm a political analyst, a political satist, and I have conversations and debates with people from all over the world.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh, welcome everybody. And, uh, we do have, uh, the the lovely Chloe Yum Yummy. Khloe Yummy joining us. Uh, she I over booked. So, really quick, you

Brian Atlasguys are wondering why. Look at how many [ __ ] people are at the table, right? Uh I over booked. That's why it took us a little longer to get set up. So, sorry for the delay with the start time there, everybody. But, uh yeah, we are we are

Brian Atlasquite it's 14 people. I think this is the most over booked I've ever done it. Uh usually I overbook because predictably the day before, the day of, even days leading up to the show, people

Brian Atlasinvariably cancel or they no show. But uh I I don't know if I want to say fortunately or unfortunately. Everyone was very reliable. Uh so they all showed

Brian Atlasup. So uh for usually we want people to be reliable, but um in this case we did overbook things. So uh Chloe Yum is in

Brian Atlasthe back. She's just uh set precedents on this show, Brian. Anytime I'm down here. >> Every time. Every time. Yeah. So over booked. Over booked. Um but uh some people are going to tag in, tag out, and

Brian Atlasuh yeah, but uh we're going to go around the table once more. What is everybody's relationship status? And if you're single, how long you've been single, and longest relationship starting with you?

Mars>> Okay, so I am single as of like six, seven months ago, but I definitely am not alone.

MarsWhat does that mean? >> It means that I'm not in a traditional relationship, but I do have men. And yeah, I mean, I guess we're talking

Marsabout men. Um, >> just hookups or something. Just hooking up with different guys. >> It's more than that, though. They're somewhat of companion friends.

MarsIt's a dynamic, but I'm I'm single. I'm free. They're free. >> Is it like sugar daddies? Um I wish situationships. >> Yeah. Can you can you just take a

Marssecond? >> Yeah. So because of the work I do and the place I am in my life, I have I've been wanting to try polyamory for a

Marswhile and I kept letting men uh change my mind and tie me down. And after my last breakup, I just bastards. I hate it when they >> What was that? >> I said I hate it when those bastards.

Marscontrolling. >> Yeah, they just want to own me. It's crazy. >> So, so yeah, I decided though this time

Marsaround I'm sticking to my guns and I am only accepting people men or women, mostly men. I'm

Marspredominantly straight, a little flexible, but it's harder to find that romantically. Um I find so yeah I I have some companions that again I am a dom so

Andrew Wilsonthey >> back up real quick for me. >> Mhm. >> When you said it's hard to find that sort of flexibility you mean it's hard to find men who will share. >> Oh no I mean finding women companions. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay.

Mars>> That aren't my friends. >> Okay. Um, so because I am a dominant female and I have locked in and been portraying

Marsthat, I did initially start out as a submissive in this world. I haven't always portrayed this, but I have always had that energy within me. So, um, I

Marshave men that serve me. They're my friends. They some of them have the honor of sexual relations with me

Marsand >> they're very honored. >> Very very lucky. Very honored. >> Very grateful. >> Mhm. >> And yeah,

MarsI don't know. That's that's what they do. They're they're my homies. They change my life for the better. >> Are you honored to be in a sexual relationship with them? Am I honored? >> Well, if they're honored, shouldn't this

Marsbe a bit symmetrical? >> I can be honored. I can I feel honored for the other things that I get in the relationship. I can't exactly say I'm

Marshonored by what they're giving me sexually. But, you know, we all have our different strengths and weaknesses and things that we really appreciate out of someone. Needs that we need fulfilled,

Marscertain needs we don't need fulfilled as aggressively. >> I notice that you're wearing some crystals this evening. >> Yes. >> We like crystals.

Mars>> I enjoy crystals. Yeah. This is a labradorite. This is definitely a man-made cutesy little I don't know. It could be a >> What's your favorite What's your favorite color crystal?

MarsMy favorite color crystal. I don't I wouldn't say I have a favorite color crystal. Maybe green. Green's my favorite color. Labradorite's really beautiful cuz it's got lots of green and blue tones and it's um kind of

Marsiridescent. >> Does that go with the goddess stuff? >> I think crystals are very beautiful and they they go with that and much more. I

Diana Sixtomean they have many purposes to them other than their beauty. >> Okay. >> So >> I think women collect crystals like men collect cards, right? Something like that. >> Go ahead.

Mary Jane>> Crystals are a a gift from God. >> Um I am in a monogous relationship. So I've been with him less than a year now. But um

Mary Jane>> uh was the longest relationship you've ever had? The longest relationship that I've ever had was probably about three years. >> Okay. What about you? >> Hi. What about you?

Megan Loftess>> Uh, I am currently single. I've been single for a year. I'm polyamorous. Um, I am currently seeing someone and I also have a sex slave.

Megan Loftess>> Okay. Uh, when you say you're poly, so you're are you uh dating multiple people? >> Yes. So with polyamory um even when I'm

Megan Loftesssingle and I'm not uh in a relationship I still consider myself polyamorous and then if I'm in a relationship I'm still open to more than one relationship and I have had um two partners at once.

Megan Loftess>> You said you're dominatrix right? >> Mhm. >> Is your sex slave a paying client then? No, actually, uh, we started out as just friends, became friends with benefits, and then I asked him if he would be interested in being my sex slave, which

Andrew Wilsonactually helps me with my work. Doesn't that kind of like destroy the whole idea, though? Like, if you're going to have a sex slave, isn't it not supposed to be consensual? Isn't that where the where like the real slave driver energy

Megan Loftessis, right? Is like they don't want that. That's what makes them a slave. I think it depends on the submissive because uh and the dominant uh because for me he's

Megan Loftessgiving me consent within that amount of time to have my way with him. >> So who's really in charge? >> The submissive ultimately the submissive has >> So then you're so then you're the submissive.

Megan Loftess>> Not exactly because I'm leading the scene but the submissive has the uh right and the opportunity to end the scene at whatever time. So, I'm I like to describe it like this. When I

Megan Loftessnegotiate with someone and I start to get consent from them, it's like they're drawing an outline of a of a book, like a coloring book. Yeah. >> And then they're giving me the colors that I'm allowed to use and then I'm

Miacoloring in the page and that's how we create the experience together. >> Okay. Uh, I'm single and my longest relationship has was probably like I

Miadon't know he would probably call it like 3 years but reality like in reality it was like nine months because he wasn't really just dating me. So yeah,

Mia>> but you you were with him for 3 years. >> Yeah. On and off. But I think it was a lot of like just me being the one dating and he was just doing what I think he was telling people we weren't dating.

Brian AtlasBut I've had a lot of messy relationships. >> So it was on on and off. >> Yeah. I would >> Were you seeing other guys? >> I was not. But he was seeing other girls. >> But you said there were off periods

Brian Atlasduring those off periods. >> Like in his eyes. In his eyes. But in my like I mean like >> like it was like 3 years. But I mean like I don't think for him it was like three years. >> So you were completely exclusive to him for the entire duration of the three years.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Uh how long you've been single? >> Um maybe like uh two two and a half years or so, I'd say. >> Uh two and a >> two and a half years.

Kayla (Passes)>> Two and a half years. Okay. What about you? >> Um I would like to say I'm in a relationship, but technically we broke up in the beginning of this year. Um, so

Kayla (Passes)it's kind of complicated, but my longest relationship was almost 5 years. >> Is that the currently complicated one? >> No. No. >> I'm a little confused. So, you'd you'd

Andrew Wilsonlike to say that you're in a relationship? >> Yeah. Like, it's complicated. We're technically not together, though. >> Oh, you're still smashing. >> We are. >> I mean, right. Isn't that usually how

Kayla (Passes)that goes? >> We still hang out. I think we're on good terms. >> But wait, hold on. Uh you So

Kayla (Passes)you uh I'm a bit confused. When's the last time you saw the guy? >> Like a couple days ago. >> Did you guys hook up?

Brian Atlas>> That's a yes. >> Yeah. Uh did at any Wait, is it the five-year guy or this is a different guy? >> No, the five-year was um when I was like a little >> Okay. But the current guy where it's

Kayla (Passes)complicated that's been one year. Have you uh at any point have you called each other boyfriend girlfriend? >> Are you saying with this last guy >> the current complicated? >> So the current complicated situation um

Kayla (Passes)I've known him for about two years and yeah we were dating but we broke up in the beginning of this year. >> Okay. dating but broke up at the beginning. So in January who broke up with who?

Kayla (Passes)>> Um more so him. It was kind of mutual though. Mutual understanding >> but but more so him. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't sound that mutual.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. No, >> he's still down to [ __ ] though. Love that. >> Okay. Um sorry guys, I'm getting distractions

Brian Atlasbehind the scenes here. Um Okay. So, you uh are you dating other men? >> No.

Kayla (Passes)>> Is he dating other women? >> I don't know what he's doing. >> Okay. If you had a guess, >> I'm not sure. >> Are you just letting him like [ __ ]

Kayla (Passes)basically? I just like I'm at a point where when I'm in a relationship like I basically train myself to only be able to be attracted or interested in one

Anya (Ana Lacy)person. And um but if he's not if you're not sure that he's loyal to you and you're like in this ambiguous unknown space of I like him but I don't know if he likes me, I don't know if he's dating

Kayla (Passes)me. Why do you do that to yourself? >> Are you just like weaning off? >> Yeah, >> it's like a complicated situation. Was he mad? >> We wish you the best. >> Was he mad about the content stuff? >> No. >> No.

Kayla (Passes)>> No. >> So, it had it was other contributing factors. >> Yeah, it was a bunch of different things. >> Gotcha. >> Uh, okay. Um,

Kayla (Passes)I'm just confused. Usually when you break up with somebody, it's like you don't [ __ ] >> Yeah, it it's over. But like I just don't see the benefit of going around saying I'm single.

Brian AtlasWhat do you mean? Even though he's not with you anymore. Correct. >> But a good guy. >> Well, it's not just that. I mean, you're you guys are continuing to >> uh sleep together. >> Do you guys live together?

Brian Atlas>> No, not currently. >> Doesn't that hurt your heart? >> No. >> Oh my god. Can you stop, Chloe? Stop distracting my producer. Please, if you're going to leave, just leave.

Brian AtlasWhat's the deal? What's the deal? I'm just like nervous.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, we got a show to run. Chloe, what do you want to do? >> You need to make a decision. It's either stay or go. >> I was trying to leave.

Brian Atlas>> We're not holding you captive. The door is that way. Nathan, please. Behind her. Uh, you can take that seat then, I

Sarah (Angelique)guess. All right. What about you? I'm single. Uh I've been single for like five, six years since 2020. Uh my

Anya (Ana Lacy)longest relationship was two years. >> Okay. Uh what about you? >> Uh single for I think like two two and a half years. Um longest relationship was

Diana Sixtobetween two to three years somewhere around there. >> All right. What about you? >> I am happily in a relationship with a fantastic man. He's my boyfriend. For how long?

Brian Atlas>> Um for about say half a year now. >> Uh do you have uh were were you previously married? >> Yes. >> How long were you married for? >> Six years.

Diana Sixto>> Six years. Okay. Uh who initiated the divorce? >> It was again mutual. It was a no fault divorce. So no lawyers involved and both people at the courthouse signing

Diana Sixtotogether. So very clean and uh we wished each other the best. So, I think it's the cleanest divorce in history. So, >> okay. Who doesn't someone typically have

Diana Sixtoto file the paperwork though? >> In Florida, you can just go to the office together and sign paperwork together. >> Yeah. Pay $47 and that is it.

Brian Atlas>> So, >> Okay. Uh, did did he have to pay you alimony? >> Nope. >> Did you have to pay him alimony? >> Nope. >> Okay. All right. Sounds pretty clean then. What about you next?

Courtney (MS)Um, I am currently married. I've been married for a while. Um, >> how long? >> We've been together total for six years

Courtney (MS)in June. And um, previously I had a I have an ex-husband. We were together for 13 years total. We were married for nine. >> Okay. Um, you have an ex-husband, you

Brian Atlassaid? >> Yes, sir. >> So, you you've been married twice, is that correct? >> This Yes, this is my second. second marriage. Okay. Who initiated the uh

Courtney (MS)divorce for the first marriage? >> Um I did. Um it was um

Courtney (MS)an unhealthy situation. I'll just say that. Um and it was u mainly for my safety. >> So and there's other factors. >> Any kids?

Brian Atlas>> Uh no sir. >> Uh your ex-husband, did he pay you alimony? Does he sir? No alimony. >> No, sir. >> Okay. What about you?

Ella>> I am single. Uh my longest relationship was two and a half years. Um and yeah, I was single for a little while and then very briefly saw a guy

Ellaand that ended about two weeks ago. >> Oh, two weeks ago. >> Yeah, it lasted a total of four days. So, >> I think one of the shorter ones. >> Who broke up with Hill?

Ella>> I did, unfortunately. Um, I think we wanted different things. I don't think he was honest about all of his intentions >> in the interaction.

Ella>> Yeah. >> Uh, what do you mean? >> He wanted more sexually than I wanted to provide. >> How so?

Ella>> Just I didn't want to do the things that he wanted to do. Um and he yeah kind of want you to spill the tea.

Ella>> Well, so um there it was like specific sex acts that you were uncomfortable with. Is that a fair way to categorize it? >> Yeah, I mean I didn't want to do any of those kind of acts especially like we

Ellahad been together such a short period of time. um but he you know wanted something else and then when I found that out I was like okay well >> you know I'm not really interested in that department then.

Brian Atlas>> So it wasn't it wasn't a hesitation on your part to to have sex but it was the specific perhaps uh specific acts that you were just not comfortable with. Is that >> No, I I mean I didn't want to have sex

Ellaperiod. >> Oh period. >> Okay. So he wanted to have maybe it's more simple than that. He wanted to have sex and you didn't. >> Yeah. And just two like more sexual things that I just, you know, do not

Ellawant to do so early into a relationship. >> Not an anal girl. >> I, you know, one could say that. Um, yeah, I get it.

Ella>> You uh So, how did you meet him? >> Uh, we originally met online. >> Dating out? >> No. um from what I do, social media, he had messaged me and we just talked and

Ellagot to know each other. >> Were you guys in like the same city or was it like long long distance or >> No. And we were we were friends for quite a while. Um there wasn't >> Okay. So, how long did you know him?

Brian Atlas>> Um I'd say probably about nine months or so. >> Nine months. Okay. >> Before then we started. >> But then you only there was only romantic component for 4

Brian Atlasdays. Is that fair to say? Yes. >> Okay. So, together. So, like you went on one date? I'm just a bit confused. >> No, no, we we had gone on on four dates um

Ella>> each day. >> Yes. Yeah. We we hung out for four days straight and I was like, "Wow, this is so awesome." And then I was like, "Oh, >> okay. >> He does not." >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, no, no. He actually he ate raw

Brian Atlasmeat, too. So, it wasn't it wasn't about the raw meat. Could you could you date a guy who wasn't quite uh on your level with a diet? I guess

Ella>> um I mean there's like variance to it, but I think it makes most sense to date somebody who has a similar lifestyle. Um, you know, maybe they don't need to eat in the exact same way that I do, but I think it for compatibility.

Ella>> How about this? Uh, no raw food, but they were carnivore. So, cooked eggs, cooked meat, >> cooked >> other. >> That just wouldn't make very much sense to me. I guess if they were able,

Ellathey're willing to convert, but if you're already on like the carnivore train, why wouldn't you want to eat it raw? >> Uh, seasoning is why seasoning. Who said that you can't season?

Courtney (MS)>> And a good sear. I do have a question. I want to know where you found another person that also eats raw meat. >> Oh man, there are so many of them. >> They They are hiding out there. There's

Ellaactually quite a few. I got introduced to it all from three women that I knew. Um and there was a pretty decent primal community in where I was living. It's called the Primal Diet and there's a decently large community for it online as well.

Ella>> Okay. So, >> is that a good place to find each other and maybe like date other people that only eat raw food? >> I mean, maybe, but there's a lot of interesting figures in that community that,

Diana Sixto>> you know, I mean, it's people eating raw chicken. Some of them are are cool and then some of them I think are a little >> dove off the deep end. >> What is the what's I'm curious genuinely, what is the deep end of not cooking your food and just eating like

Ellaraw? There's this one guy who um his name is God online and he's done a lot of activism some might say to promote the diet but he also has wild takes like

Ellathrowing acid on women. >> So that would be the um the rabbit hole like what kind >> Yeah. What kind of acid acid that will burn them?

Ella>> So he's in jail. >> Uh no he's on the run. Oh, and he's an influencer at the same time or >> I don't He's not presently making videos, but he is probably the person with the largest online following for

Ellathe raw meat. >> Do you think the parasites got to his head? >> They brain. >> I think he was just some people are just born with something inside of them

Ella>> or they ate it >> or or they I mean you could say that too, but I don't think it that was necessarily a contributor. has a lot of people who are part of the raw community, who have been part of it for decades, >> who are normal, practical, happy,

Anya (Ana Lacy)healthy people. >> I would argue the more famous one is like Liver King, right? >> Yeah. I mean, perhaps >> I feel like everyone's heard of Liver King. >> Yeah. Yeah. But he's not necessar

Ellabecause he's I mean, there's a whole thing with steroids and whatnot, and generally the primal community has a focus on naturalism. Um, so staying away from those kinds of things, but I mean everything's inter mesh nowadays, so I

Brian Atlasguess Libert could be the >> the biggest guy, but >> So you would not um whoever you're going to date, they got to they have to get on

Ellayour page diet-wise. Is that correct? >> Yeah. I mean, ideally, they would already be there. I don't want to like force somebody to do something they're not comfortable with. But my last relationship, which was, you know, the longest relationship, not the four days

Diana Sixtoone, >> uh, he very much did not eat raw meat. Um, and throughout the relationship, I did. >> Um, but it makes sense to probably tell somebody like, "Hey, by the way, first

Diana Sixtothing you should know about me before we even go on a date is I eat everything raw. And if you don't eat things raw, then this isn't going to work out." Is that what you usually do or? >> Um, I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm not

Ellavery experienced with dating to be frank, so I'm not really like, "Okay, full disclosure." You know, >> if you went to a restaurant um and they like you would tell them not to cook your food. >> Yeah, there's a lot of things you can order like steak tartar, for example,

Ellathat's pretty popular. Um and I'm also very specific about the kind of meat I do eat. I don't want to eat anything that was factory farmed. So, that limits the kinds of restaurants you can go to. Generally, those are going to be more higherend farm-totable, which almost

Brian Atlasalways have a raw dish available. They'll know before they pick the restaurant. Yeah, they'll know. >> So, a couple things here on this. A couple things here on on the whole raw situation. >> Uh, really quick though, you said you

Elladon't have much dating experience. Can you clarify what you mean by that? >> I I just haven't gone on many. >> Well, have you been Well, >> I suppose I mean, I have dating experience in the sense that >> Have you had relationships?

Ella>> Yes, I I said I had the relationship for two and a half years. >> But is that your only relationship that you've had? No, I've had uh two relationships. Um and the first one was a year and a half. >> To speak straight into the

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, the first one was a year and a half and then the next one was two and a half years. So I've had two relationships. >> I see. Well, with the the raw stuff, I mean, this is like 0.00001%

Brian Atlasof the population that would that that either already does this or would be willing to have this kind of diet. in term from a dating perspective, I think it's gonna it's going to close a lot of

Brian Atlasdoors. Not to say that it's impossible. There's obviously an existing community and you could try to pull from that >> pool of people. Uh you said you're a bit more traditional. Is that correct? >> Yeah. >> Are you Christian? >> No.

Ella>> Okay. But you're uh so when you say you're traditional, I guess in what what ways? >> Well, I I don't associate really with any religion. I I think there's great parts of each one. Um >> Mhm.

Ella>> but I don't subscribe to any of that specific dogma. Um >> I guess a lot of it is just based in naturalism as well and just kind of the natural order of life and of living.

Ella>> Natural order in terms of dating between men and women. >> Um well naturally speaking men would be the provider in the relationship and and women have the element of being the nurturer. You know I am >> men the leaders

Brian Atlas>> in some regards too but >> what do you mean in some regards? In all regards? >> No, not in all regards. >> So are should from your perspective, should women be submissive in a relationship? >> No, I don't think women need to be

Brian Atlassubmissive in relation. >> So why should men lead? >> Because we each have different strengths and qualities and that really depends on from person to person. >> So lead you when you're in the mood to

Brian Atlasbe led and you have permanent veto power in all decisions. >> I think situations I'm exploring her worldview. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't think that in like

Ellathe end all be all case. I think each individual person has things that they're good at. For example, in my last relationship, he was, you know, he knew knew everything about finances and and everything like that. And I deferred to him a lot in that realm.

Ella>> Um, >> so you're more socially conservative and then economically conservative or then >> it it just really depends on relationship to relationship. I think that there's a big nuance there. Uh, should men pay for first dates?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Should men be providers in a relationship? >> Yeah. I mean, if you want to have children with a woman, I think it makes sense to do that. >> So, men have all the responsibility and none of the authority if they're dating

Ellayou. >> No, I mean, they they can have authority. I think that things >> they can or can't. >> They they can. It's it ends up being a discussion. I mean ultimately somebody that you're in a relationship with if

Ellathey're telling you to do something you really don't want to do for example like today in today's realm I think that there's a lot of men who like a lot of aspects of traditionalism

Ellaand they like a lot of things of these um nature but they what I've seen a lot happen to many of my girlfriends is that they'll end up getting forced into things they're not comfortable with

Ellaspecifically in the sexual department you know I think number one you have to listen to God you have to listen to your intuition. And if something doesn't feel right to you, you shouldn't defer to that just because somebody you love is telling you to.

Ella>> Hold on. When you say forced, >> what what are you talking about? >> Um maybe the word you wanted was pressured. >> Yeah, pressured. But I mean there there are instances of people being like more

Ellaforced into it >> like manipulated. >> Yeah, like really manipulated. I had a friend >> in an ultimatum. >> Yeah. And an ultimatum. So ultimately, I mean, everybody has autonomy and they can decide, but there's a manipulative

Anya (Ana Lacy)aspect to that. I I think men that can be great leaders, but women have the areas that they can, >> but none of that's force >> outside of outside of sexual like stuff,

Anya (Ana Lacy)obviously. Um, do you think it's okay for men to pressure, coers you into a certain thing if it is for your own good? Like I >> if it it's in your best interest in mind

Ellathen I think >> but if you don't think personally it's in your best interest because you don't know it yet. >> I mean it depends on the thing. You can always experiment and I don't think you should be so like a dieh hard on that department.

Diana Sixto>> Are we are we officially on the topic of you know what is the role of men and women in relationships and who should be more submissive or dominant or what? >> Yeah. >> You let us know Brian. It's I mean to

Anya (Ana Lacy)know whether to chime in or not on that. >> Well, in your ideal relationship, like you not even yours, but just generally the ideal relationship. Do you believe that a woman should be submissive?

Ella>> For whatever reason, I don't don't think submissive is is necessarily the right word. I think we defer to each other in different ways. You know, for example, if you're a mother with a young child, right? And ideally, you wouldn't be

Elladoing sleep training. You'd be with the child all the time. you'd be breastfeeding and you'd have that experience with the child. You'd probably have a better idea of what that child needs in those early development years than the father might have if he's

Ellagone at work. And that's not to say that the father isn't in touch with his child. It doesn't mean he doesn't love his child, but our different experiences will create a different environment in which we're able to >> So, what's your definition? Because we

Ellamight be missing definitions on submissive. Like, what do you think I mean when I say submissive? Yeah, I guess for me I I come from a Catholic background, so I grew up

EllaCatholic and always kind of that association of submissive is just saying like yes to everything, being like, "Okay, fine." Um, so that's just kind of what I've come to associate it with because that's how I've seen

Megan Loftess>> submissive be played out. I think don't you think like being submissive you would be more prone to do that to somebody that you trust rather than

Ellasomeone you just met? And that isn't that the point of the breastfeeding and the >> and the getting to know somebody. >> I mean that's a very fair point. I think with all of that women have to have a lot of discernment when they get into a relationship. You really got to know.

EllaAnd if you can get in a position where you're with a man who does love you and who does have your best intentions at mind, then that's a situation you can be submissive. But the reason why I have such a differentiation with that is

Ellabecause I think a lot of women kind of lack that discernment and they lack getting in these situations and in these relationships with men who really do have their best interest at heart. That does exist and that is possible.

Diana Sixto>> I have a completely different Oh, are we >> Excuse me. Continue. I have a completely different uh idea of why things are so messed up in relationships nowadays. And I think it's because

Diana Sixto>> we are living in times that have never existed before between men and women. I'd say up until the 1970s, women weren't really equal to men when

Diana Sixtoit comes to being financially independent. Up until the 1970s, by the way, I'm very conservative, so I'm just pointing out the facts. And the reason I'm even on this Let me listen. >> The reason, yeah, the reason I'm even on

Diana Sixtothe show is because I think that we need to fix relationships between men and women so that we have more nuclear families. And so I want to speak the truth to help both sides, men and women, get along a lot better.

Megan Loftess>> And I'd like to Yeah. >> Can I just add to that is that I agree with like it's just the technology technological error era. I think for me

Megan Loftessmy opinion on what you're saying is >> that I just think like we have an impatience in society >> that's more recent >> when a man >> Yes. Cuz we're in the modern now.

Diana Sixto>> Yeah. But I'm going back to the 1970s. So let me Yeah. Let me go back a little bit more about credit cards and banks. >> Exactly. And so just the millennial generation of women is the first

Diana Sixtogeneration that can be financially independent without the need without the need of a man. So the millennial woman can technically afford life for herself. >> Do you think that's the biggest croc of

Diana Sixto[ __ ] I've ever heard? >> So well we could uh disagree and that's why we're here, right? >> Yeah. So, so when we're talking about >> women don't need men financially, therefore they want them for different reasons, emotional reasons and emotional

Andrew Wilsonintelligence. >> The thing the thing is is when you're talking about women not being able to get credit cards, women couldn't incur debt. >> They weren't allowed to incur debt. >> Yeah. >> So, who who's incurs the most amount of

Andrew Wilsondebt in modernity? >> Okay. >> Who men in the United States? Correct. >> Yeah. So the thing is is like that doesn't seem like that's financial independence. It seems like that's financial slavery to me.

Andrew Wilson>> Well, and not only that, >> most of the time that they end up with houses, they own more houses than men. They usually get them in divorces, not because they bought them straight out. >> And the idea here, women could get bank

Andrew Wilsonaccounts actually. It's just if they were married, they didn't. And it went it went through the husband because the husband was responsible for all the debt. The women could not incur debt. They could still spend the money, >> but they couldn't incur the debt. >> Yeah. But they also couldn't take out a

Andrew Wilsonloan or have a credit. >> They could take out loans. They just couldn't take out loans. If they were married, their husband took out the loan because they couldn't incur the debt. That That was a good thing. >> So, there wasn't financial independence is what I'm trying to say. >> There was financial independence.

Diana Sixto>> And that's why now if you're Why would you want Okay, let's let's back up. >> Why would you need financial independence if you're married? Because when people counterintuitive when people have historically been in positions of

Diana Sixtopower over other people, >> people abuse that power. When when you have any kind of relationship in history where there's >> fem stuff. Okay. >> No, I'm actually extremely conservative and because of

Diana Sixto>> Yeah. Feminist conservative fem um because of the fact because of the fact that uh men back in the day again weren't able to or women back in the day were not able to be financially

Andrew Wilsonindependent. They were in a position where they couldn't be they couldn't be the their individual selves. >> Right this second, right now as we speak, if you're married, can your wife go and into your account and take your money? >> Not every relationship is let her answer. >> Yes.

Diana Sixto>> Yes. >> Absolutely. And vice versa as well. >> So what do you need independence for? >> So you can be your own individual person. That's >> you're still your own individual person. >> No. If you don't have any financial

Andrew Wilsonallow hang on, hang on, hang on. Let us let us finish. Let us finish the engagement, right? Do you do you really do you really want me to like try to argue with five people at once? That's >> We're not arguing. It's a discussion. >> Okay.

Andrew Wilson>> Mhm. >> It sounds like it. >> You're taking it that way. >> Anyway, um >> so you're married. You have a husband. Do you need financial independence from your husband?

Andrew Wilson>> I think every person should hang on. Hang on. My question I want I want to make sure that you say yes or no and then the qualifier. Are you asking me a question? I need you to answer yes or no then the qualifier. >> No, I I it's a full it's a full answer.

Diana Sixto>> Okay, fine. You're not going to answer it, but go ahead. >> So much more. >> Yes. So, yes, I still think that people are individuals regardless of whether they are in a partnership with somebody else or not. And that's why more women

Diana Sixtoare refusing to be married. And I think the number one reason, the number one proof that women weren't happy or satisfied back in the day when they

Diana Sixtosupposedly didn't have to work is that when they were offered the opportunity to join the workforce, they did, right? They did. And they became more uh financially independent,

Diana Sixtothey joined careers, they got degrees. And so I want it >> that's completely ahistorical. Here's what actually happened. Are you telling me I'm saying that? Are you saying that I'm

Mars>> Was she Can you Can we get a timer? >> Turn the butter. Turn the butter on it. >> Just because you're married doesn't mean your man has all your best interests and

Marsyour desires at the front. They should have your best interest. They should be nice. >> Hang on. Calm down. Calm down. >> That'd be nice in a fantasy world. >> Let him make his point. Let him make his

Andrew Wilsonpoint. Ladies, >> the whole thing is ahistorical anyway. The reason that women had to enter the workforce because you couldn't afford anymore to have one income. Most women prefer not to work. Most married women prefer not to work. Most women when asked say that they would prefer if

Andrew Wilsonthey've been in the workforce to be out of the workforce. Why? Because most men would prefer to be out of the Wouldn't it be nice if I could just sit at home all day and do nothing? That sounds fantastic. But here's the thing. Hang on. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me

Andrew Wilsonfinish this point of view. So the other thing is is all you're advocating is that wives need to have financial independence from their husbands. >> Correct. >> Why? >> So that they can always >> people. >> Yes. And and this just in case we need

Diana Sixtoto leave. >> How is this a conservative position? And this basic concept that we as conservative women are trying to get men, conservative men like you to understand

Diana Sixto>> is the reason that there is this complete ideological divide where even conservative women are not getting married. What is the difference between this position and the liberal position? >> Don't blink it. That was conservative. >> And you just said one sentence that is

Diana Sixtoextremely important. Um, which is >> women, they're just going to stay at home and do nothing if they're married. And the fact that you don't understand the intrinsic value of being a homemaker

Diana Sixtoand a wife, that is the reason why there is this problem, right? Just because women have worked but not have been paid for the work that they do as a

Andrew Wilsonhomemaker, as a full-time child taker, >> this is a feminist position. >> No, this is not. This is a feminist. >> This is unpaid labor at home. It's a feminist position. >> Yeah, guys, >> it is the ultimate feminist position.

Andrew WilsonWomen are getting unpaid labor at home taking care of their children. >> Guys, it is an intelligent capitalist position. >> How is that in a capitalist position? So, a smart woman is going to consider,

Diana Sixtohey, am I going to get into a relationship with a man that expects me to cook and clean for us and for our kids in the day?

Diana Sixto>> How hard is it to cook and clean? The best example, the best the best example I can put is, you know, let's say that you have a child that is yours

Diana Sixtobiologically dropped at your doorstep one day. The mother is nowhere to be found. you now have to take care of this child. >> How do you take care of that child if not by paying somebody to cook for it,

Diana Sixtoto feed it, to look >> for it, right? Around the clockaker. >> So you would have to hang on the qualifier to stay going to work. >> Hang on. The qualifier is if you weren't independently wealthy, right? If you were working,

Diana Sixto>> if if you're in your current position right now, how much do you think you would have to shell out to maintain that child that is biologically yours and just got to your doorstep? And I'll tell you, >> depends on the choices I want to make. >> Well, research, they there has been

Diana Sixtoresearch on this and they quantified it to a number to over $200,000 a year. >> It does not cost $200,000 a year to raise kid. >> Wait, really quick on this point? Wait, wait, wait. Really quick on this point and then I'll pass it right back to Andrew. Can you break down the $200,000

Diana Sixtofor us? >> Yeah, please. >> So, imagine right now uh food services, right? So, breakfast, lunch, and dinner made for two people. And if you have kids, you have to add that as well. If

Diana Sixtoyou take kids to school, then that is a personal driver, right? The entire time that you take them to school. Or you can homeschool, you know, that would make things easier. >> Or you just drive home and drop them off at school.

Diana Sixto>> Grocery shopping, which takes time. >> Grocery shopping, which takes time. Planning out meals. Planning out the kids activities. >> Just describe a personal which is a personal assistant.

Diana Sixto>> Well, no. People get paid for those kinds of things. And here's the thing. What's the math? >> I'm not advocating. That's what we want to know because women will do this thing like and it's very >> the math is Google.

Brian Atlas>> No, no. But what you'll do is hold on. What you'll do is you'll take, okay, how much does a professional cleaner make in a year and maybe that's 30 40 50,000 and

Brian Atlasyou're going to tack that on. But professional cleaners are cleaning 40 hours a week. >> Mhm. So you you are you are considering like so okay for example if you were to hire a professional cleaner once per

Brian Atlasweek how much would that cost that might be more attuned to >> correct but some people are going to some people are going to collapse the entire yearly earnings of all these industries so okay uh

Brian Atlas>> that's not what they did in those studies though that's that's what I'm saying >> that's why I was asking for a breakdown correct that's not what I'm saying >> so are you also doing the factoring in as to you know men are doing are they're basically ally unpaid yard work and

Brian Atlasthey're they're unpaid executive protection. What I'm saying, >> does your boyfriend have a firearm? >> He does. Yes. >> Oh, do you have a firearm? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, but he would Would Would would you expect your boyfriend to like protect you in some sort of

Diana Sixtolife-threatening situation? >> Uh, he can, but we would both be, you know, good with >> Let's say you were both disarmed. >> They say they say a gun is a is a equalizer. The great equalizer. >> Are you as equal with this handgun as

Brian Atlasyour boyfriend? Really quick though, let's say you were both disarmed. He obviously, I'm assuming your boyfriend, is physically stronger than you. He would fare better trying to uh take on a physical threat. >> Yes.

Diana Sixto>> Right. So you have exe you have unpaid executive protection. >> Yes. >> Right. Are you factoring that in to the calculus of >> Yes. Correct. And and so it has to and

Diana Sixtoso bas and so basically it men are on the same spectrum and that and that they have to see if they financially benefit from coming into a partnership with a woman because a man doesn't need a woman

Diana Sixtoto cook or clean for them, right? You can pay for all those services yourself. The same way that men can pay women uh pay a service to cook or clean for them, women can pay somebody to do the yard

Diana Sixtowork for them or they can pay a ring camera for protection or they can own a firearm. What I'm trying to say is that I want men and women to come into a relationship together by understanding the value that they both bring to the

Diana Sixtotable. Yeah. >> And I understand the value of men. I think that they work very hard. I I think that society could not function with them being in key roles. I think they are biologically a lot stronger.

Diana SixtoThat is a fact, right? And so think I'm very thankful for their existence and we need them. However, women are equally as critical for the different services that

Diana Sixtothey provide and the things that they are good at. And I feel like historically, unfortunately, um that has been ignored and that's why we're seeing this loneliness epidemic between men and women.

Mars>> Yeah. The loneliness epidemic exist on both sides. Mhm. That's the first thing. The second thing is >> I just want to argue the the whole like protection thing too for her because her partner doesn't have to protect her.

MarsThat's not his job. But might he want to protect her so that he can continue to look at her pretty face and have her in his life? >> Would you want would you want a man that

Anya (Ana Lacy)doesn't automatically protect you? >> Might her partner have to expect >> I think that a man to automatically No, I'm saying would you want a man who does not automatically protect you? No, of course not. But they should appreciate me if they want to.

Mars>> Might her partner have an expectation then that, you know, >> she mother the kids. >> Might he have that expectation? >> Yeah. But doing all the the deep cleaning of the house and the being a mother.

Andrew WilsonYeah. Hang on. Hang on. Let me respond to Let me respond to some of your points here. >> The first there's a bunch of holes in what you said. The first hole is >> do you want to outsource your child to other people? Well, then I don't

Diana Sixtounderstand where does the financial independence thing come in. >> So, I actually support women that want to be stay at home moms. >> That's not my I'm not asking who you support. Let me let me answer the

Andrew Wilsonquestion. >> Let me I want to make sure that you understand the question I asked you. So, I'm going to ask you to repeat the question I asked you. >> The question I'm asking you is, >> do you want mothers mothers who are at home

Andrew Wilson>> Yes. to outsource their children and if you do or don't, how are they able to be financially independent? Can you repeat that for me? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Do you believe that women should

Diana Sixtofinancially outsource taking care of their kids? And I think that that depends on the individual part >> and I think that second part of the question individual. >> So the second part there's women that want to be full-time mothers and stay at

Diana Sixtohome with their kids and there's women that want to have a career and also have kids. And there's nothing wrong with that. And the fact that we're chastising those kinds of women is why again we are in this.

Andrew Wilson>> How does a woman how does a woman maintain financial independence? Meaning how does she work >> while also >> if she stays at home with her kids jobizing

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