Andrew Wilson vs. 10 Feminists DEBATE! 3 RAGE QUITS?! SUPER FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! | Dating Talk 283

Date: 2026-02-23

Duration: 10h 01m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMia (Canadian)>

AAndrew Wilson >

AAnya (Ana Lacy)>

CCourtney (MS)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_02Mars(guest)

SPEAKER_03Sarah (Angelique)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Mia(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kayla (Passes)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Mary Jane(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Courtney (MS)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Diana Sixto(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ella(guest)

SPEAKER_12Megan Loftess(guest)

SPEAKER_13Anya (Ana Lacy)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Megan Loftess(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 14 guests introduced - most overbooked ever

Key MomentElla reveals she eats raw chicken and pork, believes in terrain theory

Key MomentAndrew Wilson and Diana Sixto begin marathon prenup/feminism debate

Key MomentAndrew presents force doctrine to the panel

ControversyAndrew gets Diana to accept she is a feminist by definition

Key MomentBrian reads Mars' full dominatrix service menu. Nuclear explosion sound effects.

QuoteElla: circumcision is genital mutilation that should never be done to babies

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

14 people - most overbooked episode ever. Includes Andrew Wilson, Mars (dominatrix), Diana Sixto, Ella (raw meat eater).

Ella's Raw Meat Diet

Eats raw chicken and pork. Believes in terrain theory. Parasites are beneficial.

Prenup Debate: Andrew vs Diana

Extended debate on prenups, women financial independence, marriage as institution.

Chivalry Debate

Brian argues sex workers don't deserve chivalry. Extended panel debate.

Andrew's Force Doctrine

Men monopolize force, women always appeal to men for rights. Feminism dismantling patriarchy is circular.

Mars Dominatrix Services

Brian reads Mars' full service menu including toilet play, CBT, financial domination.

Ella on Circumcision

Final hot take: circumcision is genital mutilation that should be illegal.

Transcript

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Marswomen these days. >> You guys were saying that most people women don't want to work. Men wouldn't want to work if they could choose. But personally, it would be my dream to be

Marsable to have a family and have the freedom to have my side hustle and have my business. I don't need to work like a dog. I can have it all. >> Do you see the massive hole with that?

Andrew Wilson>> I don't want to have to. If you work for an exception, you could have >> Hang on. Hang on. One at a time. One at a time. Calm down. Calm down. >> One at a time. I think the answer to that is remote work.

Diana Sixto>> There's only been like two at a time this whole time. That is uh that is remote work. That is also work that requires uh being a small amount of time in the office and you can homeschool.

Diana Sixto>> So homeschooling so homeschooling is a great option. I plan to homeschool my kids in the future. That means that you only take 2 to three hours a day. Actually, it's not 8 hours like public

Diana Sixtoschool, i.e. government indoctrination centers. You take two to three hours taking care of your kids, educating your kids, instilling the moral values that you want in them. Do you see the new hole you just made in your ideology though?

Diana Sixto>> And then you have the rest of the day to also do your your job. Whatever it is that you where your kids go while you do your job, whatever you're passionate about and you can bring your kids along. >> So the way that women have financial

Andrew Wilsonindependence, >> it it don't outsource the child care is by having part-time remote work. Now question, >> does she get to keep all that money or

Andrew Wilsondoes that go to the contribution of the household? I I think it should. I think it depends on >> if that's the case, how is she being financially independent again? Maybe she can't let her let her answer

Andrew Wilson>> because she can still have personal accounts that she only has access to. And you also have joint >> so that she's keeping the money away from the contribution of the household in a personal account that nobody else

Diana Sixtohas access to. I think that I think that every single adult, male and female, should have a prenup >> and that should be part of that as well for their own personal protection. But I

Diana Sixtothink overall the reason for the prenup. >> So you're advising women to hide money from the household. >> How how can you hide something? This is what works for Hold on. How is this house? >> Hold on girls. How is it? There's not a

Mary Janetraditional Everyone knows the numbers. This is like even if this was the traditional structure, it still would not be the traditional structure. Like it wouldn't be for everyone. >> But how is it hiding if it's something that was previously agreed upon before

Andrew Wilsoncoming into America? >> Here's what's funny. >> When you're talking when you're talking about advising, you're like, "Listen, women, >> what I want you to do is have your own independent money." And the way that you can do this >> and not outsource the childare so you

Andrew Wilsondon't have to work is hopefully you can be one of the few >> so you don't have to work. I'm not saying that. >> Hang on. So, well, yes, you are. You have to work in order to get money. >> Yes. Yes. So, you don't have to work. >> Yes. So, >> so that you can >> So, let me give let me give the

Andrew Wilsonposition, >> right? So, you can let me give the position. >> Okay. >> And I'll make sure I'm not I'm stealing it. >> Women should have own money. Do we agree with that? >> Yeah. >> They get money by working. Do we agree with that? >> Yes.

Andrew Wilson>> Women have children and you don't want them to outsource the care of the children to other people. >> It depends on the occasion. But if they want to not agree with me, it's better for the

Andrew Wilsonoutcomes of children if they don't. >> If I want to go on a date night with my husband, yes, I will. >> That's not outsourcing care. >> That is exactly what I'm referring to about care. >> Hiring a babysitter for 6 hours is far

Andrew Wilsondifferent than sending your kid. >> We have different. >> No, we don't have a different so absurd. >> You're arguing in bad faith. >> We're going to argue. Hang on a second. Oh, hey. Uh, can you come babysit tonight? Oh, you just outsourced the care of your No, that's not what we're

Andrew Wilsontalking about. We're talking about long-term outsourcing of the raising of your children to other people. You're talking about >> You got to stop interrupting her. I can't. We'll never get through the argument. I promise we'll be able to engage. >> But walking through the argument on your time.

Andrew Wilson>> Woman stays home. >> Never ending. >> Well, who's having the argument? So, woman stays home. >> Annoying people. >> And you want her to have her own money. You don't want her to outsource the care of the children. That means that she has to get some kind of remote job while

Andrew Wilsonshe's at home. But instead of contributing all of that to the to the joint household expenses, you still are recommending that she holds some of it in reserve, right? In an old her own account that her husband can't access. >> Yeah. And the man than the man as well. Yes.

Andrew Wilson>> He doesn't need to. >> How does that not create a massive division in the marriage? Why not just share everything in the marriage? You're married. >> There's a there's a there's a >> women are selfish. >> If you if you have a daughter,

Diana Sixto>> how much money you think people make? >> Okay. If you have a daughter, if you have a daughter, I do have daughters. >> You do have a daughter. And when they grow up, would you tell them, "Honey, uh, I want you to get married with no prenup whatsoever, completely be

Andrew Wilsonfinancially dependent on a man." Is that what you want? >> Well, first of all, the the prenup would be better for the man. For her for her talking about your daughter, Wait, let him answer. >> That's what I'm saying. The prenup would

Andrew Wilsonactually be better for the man. So her I would tell her not to get the pup because if they got a divorce she's going to actually have an advantage in court. That's the first thing. It is

Andrew Wilsonnecessarily true. It is true. But here's the it's factually is true. So here's the other here's the other part of this that's funny. >> And this moves into the ideology, right?

Andrew WilsonWhy would I want my daughter to marry a man who she didn't trust enough uh to manage the household finances or even if they jointly managed the household finances for them to have complete

Andrew Wilsonaccess to each other's accounts, social media? >> They're they're one flesh. They're one flesh in one. Do you get to make a choice on who she marries though? >> No. >> Okay. So So then you trust your

Diana Sixto>> You asked me what I would advise >> all the time. So you would So you would adise by one flesh. What? >> So, one advise your daughter to So, hang on. So, we're talking about world views here.

Andrew Wilson>> So, I have a different paradigm than you have. You have You guys have like a modern liberal paradigm. >> No, I don't. >> I Yes, you do. I have Yeah, you do. But I have a I have a paradigm, an orthodox religious paradigm. Orthodox Christian religious paradig. So, I have a

Megan Loftessdifferent paradigm than you do. >> Really? >> Yes. Really? >> Christian? >> Yes. Christian. I think we're forgetting the fact that when you are in a longterm marriage, there is a possibility that

Megan Loftessone of the partners could go through mental illness or you end up with a narcissist that doesn't reveal themselves until they've got you locked down. So, I think at least for me why I would have a

Megan Loftess>> narcissism is rare. >> No, not as much as you think.

Andrew Wilson>> Hang on. Let's find out. That's fine. We'll take we'll do an experiment right now. >> Okay. Real quick. >> Raise your hang real quick. Raise your hand if you've dated a narcissist. Go ahead. >> Okay.

Mia>> Now, keep your hands raised if you if you dated a narcissist though. Probably not. But like modern definition. >> Now, keep your hand raised if they were

Marsa diagnosed narcissist or if you Okay. >> They go to therapy and doctor kind of [ __ ] I think we're >> Were they a diagnosed narcissist? >> They're not diagnosed. They don't care about their mental health.

Diana Sixto>> Was yours a diagnosed narcissist? So, one person at the table actually dated a diagnosed narcissist. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Was he diagnosed? >> We're deviating from the subject where uh I'm just pointing out that it's

Diana Sixtohypocritical to say that you don't believe women and men should have prenups when you know that you wouldn't advise your daughter to get into a marriage without a prenup with a man. Period. You wouldn't. >> No. I literally told you the prenup would be in favor for the man, not for

Diana Sixtoher. >> That is not true. So something maybe because she doesn't have money to begin with. >> So saying that you don't want your pre a prenup is the equivalent of saying that you don't believe that you'll amount to

Andrew Wilsonanything in life that will be worth something that somebody else wants to. >> Yeah, that's not saying that at all. Yes, it is. >> No, what it's saying is that you have faith. You have faith. Okay, so >> what if I make more than my husband in

Diana Sixtothe future? And I hope I do. And I hope that he makes more than me. It doesn't >> So you're preparing for failure. >> I'm preparing for You're preparing for failure. Being successful >> and that the case you're preparing for failure.

Diana Sixto>> No. >> Then why do you need the prenup? >> Because statistics, right? 90% of um marriages end up in

Diana Sixto>> and who are they mostly initiated by? >> Just be Oh my gosh. Uh well my uh were they mostly initiated? >> My ex-mp employer Charlie Kirk answered this question not too long ago when he

Diana Sixtowas on the podcast or or it was on one of his prove me wrongs. And just because women first initiate divorces doesn't mean that men aren't the first ones to

Andrew Wilsonstart the process or give them a reason to. So that is a completely illogical >> then how come they don't put as the they put as the reason things like irreconcilable differences? They're not putting things like >> um >> domestic violence,

Andrew Wilson>> domestic violence, cheating, things like this are just putting irreconcilable differences. Your former employer, by the way, Charlie Kirk, would have completely and totally agreed with me on what marriage was on this subject. Yes, on this subject verbatim. This can be

Andrew Wilsonlooked up Google. >> Okay. So, Charlie Kirk is recommending to his daughters to get a prenuptual agreement. >> I don't know because did he have one with Erica? >> Because he's not here and I don't know that either. >> Of course not. He didn't. I guarantee

Diana Sixtoyou he didn't. are I hope that you are, you know, not saying things that aren't true. >> I'm pretty confident that that Charlie Kirk did not have a prenup with Eric. >> You really can't speak for him though. >> Correct. >> I mean, I can call Jack Pobic and ask him right now. I bet you he's going to

Andrew Wilsontell. I bet he would. >> That's a dishonest. >> That was like his best friend. >> That's a very >> Wait, can I ask? >> Do you think Look in the camera and say that you think that Charlie Kirk had a prenup with Erica Kirk? >> I don't know. They had a prenup.

Andrew WilsonRidiculous. That's No, this is the honest take. Kirk would. So, not only that though, the problem The problem is >> Can you admit that you don't know? >> You You can't know it for a fact. But I would say I would say I doubt it. >> I doubt it.

Andrew Wilson>> Okay. So, you don't know for a fact. >> Yeah. But I doubt it. >> But you don't know for a fact. >> I mean, I don't know for a fact that you're who you say you are. >> That's the point I'm trying to make. Thank you. >> So, there's like a statistical average here. There's going to be some doubt, but I doubt it. >> Not only that, let's point this out,

Andrew Wilsonthough. You still have massive holes. You still have massive holes in your logic. And the huge hole in your logic is if you're going to you're advising women to not outsource their care, try to get some kind of remote job. What I don't understand is why you're trying to

Andrew Wilsonpit the husband and wife against each other though. Why is it that she doesn't have as much responsibility to the contribution of the household as he does? If he wants to have access to her money, why shouldn't he be allowed to do

Diana Sixtothat? >> And facts and statistics, statistically speaking, couples that have prenups last longer and don't get divorces. Why do you think that is? Well, I think I don't even think that's true. Actually,

Andrew Wilson>> it is. And you can anybody want >> But I would say it's likely true due to it. Okay. I would say it's probably likely true if it is. Calm down, ladies. So, I can answer. I think it would be likely due to wealth because wealthy people divorce less and wealthy people

Andrew Wilsonare the more likely to get prenups. Therefore, I would say it's probably the most likely. Wealthy people get prenups. Wealthy people are the least. What you're doing is causation correlation. >> No. >> Because it correlates that people with

Andrew Wilsonprenups get divorced less. And it also correlates that people who are wealthy get divorced less. Why should we use your correlate that it's the prenup which prevents them from getting divorced rather than the >> presented a fact which is that those

Diana Sixto>> and what does that correlate to though? >> It correlates to and divorce lawyers speak on this. It's the fact that those couples are the ones that have the difficult conversations on money on lifestyle and all of those things and

Diana Sixtoput it down on paper because it before they get married because they have it because that's what responsible people because they're wealthy. Because that's what emotionally intelligent people. >> Most most people do not have the wealth to even worry about a prenup.

Diana Sixto>> You think that non-wealthy people don't get prenups? >> Not often. Wealthy person that got a prenup. >> Not often. Often often. Well, >> she's a she's a nonworth person. Okay. Yeah.

Diana Sixto>> Are women on are women on average shorter than men? Oh, I'm not shorter than most. >> Who would you consider wealthy? >> Um, probably 500,000 plus. >> Okay. And that is what percentage of the population? Very small percentage. Very

Diana Sixtosmall percentage. But we still have a lot more than what 5% of prenups like 5% of people that get married. >> They usually correlates with the wealthy. >> Yes. But no, we have a lot more prenups than we have qualified. What you would need to show us according to you.

Andrew Wilson>> Yeah. What you would need to show us though isn't that there's no poor people get prenups cuz that was never the statement. What you need to show us was whether or not it's the case that the coralate here isn't that wealthy people get divorced less because they're

Andrew Wilsonwealthy or it's the case that it's because they have a prenup they're getting divorced less. I would say it's due to the wealth. >> Well, I asked you >> because that correlates with higher forms of education. >> The correlation was so >> I just told you. >> Okay.

Diana Sixto>> It's going to be wealth and education. Those are the things that correlate with with less divorce. >> Right. So, but regardless when you have a prenup, >> just wait. >> But regardless when you have a prenup, then absolutely >> then,

Diana Sixto>> hold on, cuz I was like getting a little distracted here. Regardless, if you do have a prenup, then there is a high probability that you stay married. So, wouldn't you say it's a good thing? Would you say it's a good thing for marriage? >> You have to demonstrate it's because of

Andrew Wilsonthe prenup and not because of the other correlates, which would be wealth and education, which are the higher contributing factors for lessening divorce. >> So, only wealth Yeah. >> Show me how the coralate of a prenup like do poor people with prenups get

Andrew Wilsondivorced less? Can you show that? >> I think that those are the statistics that you need to know. >> No, you're looking at an average of all prenups and saying, "Okay, on average this has some correlate to

Diana Sixtoisn't the reason because you just said wealthy is $500,000 or more." And I'm telling you that that is what maybe the top 5% of the population, but a lot more than the top 5% of the population get

Andrew Wilsonprenups. Yes or no? Yes or no? >> Yes, of course. But >> yes. Okay. So, it's not >> that doesn't make your point. >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. Do you agree with me that on average men are taller than women? Yes. >> Okay. But do you also agree that some women are taller than the average man?

Andrew Wilson>> What the heck does answer my question? Do you agree that I stop? >> Do you agree with >> You asked Andrew a question. He answered it. He asked you a question. Please answer. >> Do you agree with me that there are some women though who are taller than average

Andrew Wilsonmen? Yes. >> Does that eliminate the fact that on average men are taller? Of course not. Right. No. >> Okay. So, when we're talking about a correlate here, we're going to use the same standard. >> Do you agree with me that uh people who

Andrew Wilsonhave high educations or higher higher education get divorced less? >> Sure. Yes. >> Okay. Do you also agree that there's a correlate between people have higher education and wealth? >> Yes. >> Okay. So now we are agreeing that

Andrew Wilsonwealthy people and highly educated people get divorced less. Those are also the people most likely to get prenups. Just because other people also get prenups who aren't them doesn't mean that the contributing factor here to the

Diana Sixtolesser divorce has anything to do with the prenup. Do you understand that now? >> I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying and I agree with what you're saying. However, what I'm the point I'm trying to make is

Diana Sixtothat I think it is good >> for not just rich people to be the ones getting prenups. So that >> Well, that's a different argument though. >> No, that is my original argument, right? That is what I've been that's the point I've been trying to make.

Andrew Wilson>> But you're saying the reason is is because that's going to contribute to lesser divorce and people who aren't wealthy. What I'm asking you is to demonstrate that part. Not if people who are wealthy and have high education get

Andrew Wilsonlesser divorce also have more prenups, but whether or not people who have prenups who aren't in those categories are actually getting divorced less because of the prenup. That's what I want the demonstration of.

Diana Sixto>> Gotcha. I I understand what you're saying. So if again only top 5% of the population qualifies as wealthy according to you and they do get a prenup and as a result they

Diana Sixto>> Well, hang on that was off the cuff. whatever they consider and they don't uh and they don't get divorced. Cool. That's great. Fantastic. Good for them. Now, for the rest of the population, that doesn't qualify as wealthy

Diana Sixtoaccording to to you, the 500 threshold. It could be more than that >> and they stay married as well. Why do you think that is? Because it's clearly not wealth that's keeping them together. It must be the fact that they are

Diana Sixtoresponsible individuals that get together. Let me finish my thought. responsible individuals that get together and talk about the reasons why they want to be in a marriage in a in the first place. >> That's not even an argu Yes. Because if

Andrew Wilson>> that's not even an argument. It that doesn't even logically follow. You're just saying I agree with you, Andrew, that people who have prenups who are also in these high categories for lesser divorce. Um, I agree that those are the contributing factors for the lesser

Andrew Wilsondivorce, but I also just assume that other people who get prenups who aren't in those wealthier or highly educated categories also get divorced less based on I made it up. >> No, based on facts. >> What's the fact? >> People that get prenups don't get

Andrew Wilsondivorced. >> Okay. But is it because of the prenup? >> No, I don't think >> exactly. So then who cares? How does that make your argument then? >> Why is it a bad thing for people to get it? >> Well, it

Andrew Wilson>> Why are you so against it? First of all, I'm not against prenups. That's not the point. But I'm not going to let you get away with the argument that prenup just having a prenup is going to lead to lesser divorce. That's not the strong

Andrew Wilsoncorrelate here. The strong coralate is going to be higher education, wealth. Those are the things which usually inspire people to get prenuptual agreements to begin with. And those are already in the categories. People get divorced less. So that's the case. When

Andrew Wilsonyou say when you say an auto mechanic gets a prenup with a waitress, >> right? What part of the prenup >> is is the cons is the mass consideration for divorce here? They don't [ __ ] have nothing.

Diana Sixto>> Okay, so that's what you can't possibly conceptualize and that's why it is a problem. The fact that you're thinking that those two people that the waitress and the mechanic can't make money in the future

Diana Sixtoafter saying they can't. That that is what I'm saying. That's and one of the points from is that you're saying one of the points she made earlier is that if a mechanic and a waitress >> they have a prenup and then like 3 years

Andrew Wilsonlater they get a divorce, right? But that was I don't know on average like a year longer than most people, how would the pre prenup have done anything with that? Exactly. >> Well, first of all, it's very unlikely

Diana Sixtothat they get divorced in the first place. Hypothetically, I'm just saying. >> Objectively. objectively hypothetically I'm saying but hypothetically right the good thing is if they do get a prenup and they do get divorced is that they

Diana Sixtoset the standards for their divorce instead of some random person in the US government. >> Okay so >> isn't that a good enough reason to >> yes or no good enough? >> No no no that's not a good enough reason for a prenup for you. >> Well then why get married?

Andrew Wilson>> I have 14 people here. >> Why get married? >> Why get married? >> Right, guys? Why get married? >> Answer my question. Don't get married. Forget love. You can't have love without marriage. You can't have you can't have love without marriage. Can't have children without marriage. Can't have those

Andrew Wilsonthings without marriage. >> Why get married at all? If the whole idea here from you from the fem the fem idea, don't marry yourself to the state, get a prenup instead. It's like, okay,

Diana Sixtowell then why get married at all? >> Can you explain that to me? >> Because right now marriage is a legal institution as well. It didn't used to be. I do. So that's the same thing you're advising a prenup for.

Andrew Wilson>> Yes, it is. You're you're denying reality, which is that marriage is a legal concept. >> Why do they even need to get married at all then? >> Against marriage is not the case. >> How is that me arguing instead of asking you a question? What's the difference

Andrew Wilsonbetween a question and an argument? >> You just said why get married? >> Are questions arguments? >> Questions are not stating opinion. >> So then I asked you a question. That's the opposite of an argument. The question is why get married at all then? Why get married at all? Because you want

Diana Sixtosomebody to witness your life. Because you want a life partner. Because of love. Because that is what creates >> healthy, intelligent children that can see that can see parents that are in a healthy relationship that love each

Andrew Wilsonother. There's so many benefits to marriage. And I want people to get married. So help me out here. >> But you're not helping the cause. That's why I'm here. >> This is so Hang on. Well, I'm glad you're here. This is so strange. Tell me any of those things that you just listed

Diana Sixtothat you can't have absent marriage. >> Absent of marriage. Mhm. >> Because you don't have commitment. You don't have >> because you don't Nothing says I choose you and I'm committed to the person

Andrew Wilson>> like a prenup marriage. >> Nothing says I choose you like a prenup. >> Nothing says I Pikachu. I choose you. >> Here's the reality of marriage.

Brian Atlas>> Stop. Stop. She speak. >> I'm about to allow you to speak but I was trying to actually open it up to the whole panel here for a moment. >> Sorry. That's what I Yeah, but but you guys, let me let me get it in here. We have a chat coming through. Then I'll

SPEAKER_08have you guys weigh in. >> Flavor the assassin is donating 200. >> Pus a feminist dresses like a 304. Typical. >> Great. >> Do you want to respond to that really quick? >> Um,

Diana Sixto>> if this is dressed like you know that, then you know that is your qualification. >> Maybe just move the mic back. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, here's what I want to do. Here's what I want to do. We do have a lot of people. >> This is why you're watching the show and are single.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. We're like we're like 10 minutes away from >> familyfriendly like 10 minutes. Go ahead. >> We do have other people on the panel this thing and I need to be considerate. So here's what I'll do. You guys can finish that conversation, but those of

Megan Loftessyou who've been listening and want to weigh in on something, >> uh, now's your opportunity if you'd like to weigh in. >> Okay. I have like two things I want to say and it just doesn't have anything to do with the prenup. My thing is that

Megan Loftesswomen's jobs are easier now than they have ever been in the household. As a mother, as a caretaker, we have washing machines. We don't have to go to the quarry and rub our clothes on rocks

Megan Loftessanymore. So that's why women got bored and wanted to move into the workforce. So that's a technological issue. And then second of all, >> okay, >> um just like men have spreadsheets that

Diana Sixtothey work on instead. >> Yeah, sure. Or or life's easier for everyone. Exactly. Isn't it great technology and capitalism? >> Here, put the mic down. Andrew is going to take a smoke. So, if you want to take this seat uh and finish your thought

Megan Loftesswith Andrew. >> And then my second thing is I only understand Andrew's point in the fact that if you're going to marry someone, you should trust them. And

Megan Loftess>> uh prenup. Yeah. Again, probably more for if you have money, you know, or and if you're going to come into money, good for you. then get a you can I think you could still get a prenup eventually even after you get married.

Mary Jane>> You can. >> Okay, cool. So, that's good. And then um yeah, I just that's like all I'm going to say. >> That's okay. >> Uh you guys seemed like you wanted to weigh in here a bit.

Mary Jane>> Even I'm sorry. Even if you're not legally married with a certificate, by law you are legally married after a certain amount of time, >> seven years. >> Yeah, I think I don't know. It I think

Brian Atlasit varies. Wait, are you responding to her or is this your original? >> This is just something that I wanted to weigh in on. >> Okay. So, what you're talking about civil what is it? >> No. Um, by law,

Mary Jane>> yeah, I don't know the exact terminology, but I know by law it varies per state that you are legally married to someone after spending a certain amount of time with them, especially living in a household with them.

Brian Atlas>> That that's not in every state. That's uh I think it's common law marriage, I believe, is the term. In some states, yes, that's that's the case. If you've been holding yourself out to be as if you were married, you're living

Brian Atlastogether, you're cohabitating, then the state could deem you uh you you weren't legally officially married, but you were acting in in such a way that was commensurate to as if you were be

Brian Atlasmarried. So, they're going to consider you they're going to consider you you legally married. Common law marriage. >> Also, >> did you have did you have more on that though? >> No, but thank you. Okay, go ahead. >> I wanted to respond to you and saying

Marslike, "Oh, trust them." and you said, "Oh, trust them." So, like, how many people that are have that share blood with us that we're supposed to trust, maybe our mother or father or you know,

Marseven someone that we trusted, a partner that we trusted for many years, we feel so secure in that scenario. How many

Marstimes does that trust fleet away because of some sort of outside factor? So [ __ ] much. So even though you're

Marssmart and you had the best intuition and you had all you tried to do everything by your book, it still happens. So trust, you know, [ __ ] changes. [ __ ]

Marschanges in time. People change. People's >> motives change. People's desires change. So trust is [ __ ] >> It only goes so far. >> I just don't think you should as a man

Brian Atlas>> trust yourself. Number one, >> absent Christian absent Christianity, uh there's actually no reason for get for men to get married. Or perhaps I can reframe it. Uh there's no reason for the bread winner to get married.

Mars>> There's breadwinners total total uh L to get married. >> Yeah. And here's my question that I kept trying to ask um >> Andrew. >> Andrew, he's like, "Oh, what if you got

Marsa waitress and a mechanic?" Okay. Well, um, great jobs there, >> but you don't know what those people's lives are, what those people's assets

Marsare, what money they're going to be getting from family or God, father, mother in the future. >> So, he's talking about his own daughter. So, okay, let's say your daughter has a

Marsfew million coming to her in the future. And this man is, you trust him. He's just a [ __ ] man, though. So would it change if his daughter had let's say 10

Marsmillion coming to her? >> Well, I think two what's really he's speaking he's saying oh like cuz she does it's to protect the man. He's doing it to protect the man. What about your daughter that might have a lot of money in her name

Megan Loftess>> that he might want to leave her one day. >> Exactly. Does she want that money going to him? >> In a prenup when you know the paperwork's in action and you're about to get a trust sent to you. You're gonna

Megan Loftessgo to a lawyer and get that all taken care of. So, yeah, but you don't need to do it at the beginning of the marriage. You can do it when the money comes. >> Whatever. It's a prenup, but it's when it comes

Anya (Ana Lacy)and we're all the the whole argument here is that we're pro prenup and he's saying, >> well, I don't necessarily think that that's his position. You haven't stated your position exactly on whether you're pro or

Andrew Wilson>> pro for the man at least. >> Here's why. Here's why I consider this a fem position. Everything here that she's talking about is materialistbased. She's talking from specifically a

Andrew Wilsonmaterialist lens, >> logic based lens. But okay, materialistbased lens. Let me finish. I'll explain and express how that's the case. >> So from my view, right, marriage is a

Andrew Wilsonreligious institution and it's designed specifically to be a religious institution. If you want to see the lowest divorce rates, look at the people who are the most religious. Those that's when you'll find the least divorce is there.

Andrew Wilson>> Is that statistically true? >> Not only statistically true, very statistically true. >> John Gman, you know, >> the more often the more rigorous they practice, the least likely they are to divorce. >> Okay. >> From your view, the materialist view, >> logical view,

Andrew Wilson>> it's not Hang on. >> If it's the logic, if it's the logical view, then I need this one question answered. Sure. >> If we're only protecting our stuff, our things, stuff we want, and protecting from the future, >> you got to stop.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> It's not stuff. It's not material. >> Hold on. You got to You've been interrupting a [ __ ] ton. >> Your contributions with your little

Brian Atlasquips and your little add-ins are not really they're not adding substance to the conversation and it's interrupting

Andrew Wilson>> what it's not. But just even if you disagree, let him finish. Just let him finish. You don't need to add in. >> Go ahead. Continue. >> Yeah. And then I'll gauge I'll gauge with your view. I promise. >> If that's the case and it's just

Andrew Wilsonmaterial and you say it's logical, it's it's logical for you to want to keep material separation in case bad things happen. What the [ __ ] is the point of getting married at all? If you're going to sign a contract with the state, if you're preventing the state from coming

Andrew Wilsonin and dividing assets by having other contracts, why not just use the secular method and just have all of those things

Andrew Wilsonabsent the state contract? I actually that would be the most logical thing. So unless you can explain to me what it is you're going to get out of a marriage that two people can't just agree to,

Diana Sixtoright, absent the religious qualia, then I want to hear it. What? >> Yeah. Um, so you're arguing then that there's that you're you're you're arguing against reality. So you're

Diana Sixtodenying reality. And the reality that we live in is that marriage is not just a religious institution now. It is also a financial agreement and a long-term life contract. >> Then why do it,

Andrew Wilson>> right? Asking me why I would do it. I'm asking you what would be the point >> if it's the case that you see marriage as being a long- form financial partnership with another person. Yes.

Andrew Wilson>> Right. That you want to protect yourself from the state dividing your assets with that person potentially leaving you with nothing. No. Why get married at all? You can still do you can live in the same house with them. You can raise the kids

Andrew Wilsonthe same exact way. >> You need a prenup. It'd be >> Why can't Why Why do you need to have a prenup if you just don't get married? >> Prenup, you could write down, you know,

Diana Sixtoa cheating clause, which I would have, right? I want a prenup to make my marriage stronger in the future. >> Why are you getting married, though? >> So, you cheat, I cheat. That is going to be bad for the both of us, right? >> Why are you getting married in the first

Andrew Wilsonplace? >> Because you want somebody to spend your life with. >> You can do that without the marriage. You cannot because that is not the Is it logically possible? Is it logically? Yeah. Then what are you talking about? What's a logical answer?

Diana Sixto>> Why did you get married then? >> Huh? Well, I'm religious. I just told you it's a religious institution. >> But it's also a financial in commitment, right? >> Yeah. But if you're if you're not looking at it, >> so why didn't you just get married in the church?

Andrew Wilson>> Because I did. I did. I did get married in the church. Are you legally married? >> Part of getting married in the church is that you get legally married. Yes. So why did you get married? Marriage license for me. Why did you got legal

Andrew Wilsonmarried for not just church? Chill. I'll I'll explain but I just want to let you know you still haven't answered my qu but I'll I'll explain but I want to promise you answer mine afterwards. A lot of churches cannot actually marry

Andrew Wilsonyou legally without utilizing the state. Okay. And also I was not I was not when I got married which was so many years ago as rigorous as I am now. I didn't even understand half of these things.

Andrew WilsonThat's first. >> Okay. The second thing is if I was only looking from the materialist view though it's a financial it's financial it's financialistic >> view sure the realistic view

Andrew Wilsonrealistically explain to me what you're going to get out of the marriage that you're not going to get not marriage what >> okay if I am not married and I'm living

Diana Sixtowith a person long term and we have shared financial assets right and one of us decides to hurt the other betray the other or anything and now we want to split, right? As a result of that, now

Diana Sixtowe both have to go to court. Now I have to hire a lawyer. Now I have to create a mess out of my life just to leave that relationship. If we have kids, it's extremely complicated as well.

Diana Sixto>> If if let me finish my answer. If you do have a legal contract in place that >> talks about if those things were to happen and God hoping that it doesn't,

Diana Sixto>> right? Then we have a I have a plan of action. This is what happens, right? And I have >> Why is marriage necessary to any of that? >> Can I give you Let her finish. >> Why is marriage >> Why is marriage necessary for you to

Andrew Wilsonhave a contract with somebody that they can't take your stuff? Why can't you have a contract with a person on what you're going to do absent marriage? >> So, you want people to >> I'm not It's not what I want. I'm asking

Diana Sixtoyou a question. Why? Because again marriage is a legal contract and it is a it is a institution that basically is ingrained in our society and children

Diana Sixto>> that's not giving me the reason why you need to get married come from marriage married households do better period >> is that because of the marriage or is that because it's a mom and dad in the same household >> do you think a mom and dad >> don't ask me a question answer my

Diana Sixtoquestion do you think mom >> answer the question first >> you have to let me answer how I want you don't have to tell me asking me a question is not answering it. >> You don't get to tell me how I answer. >> Okay. So, we're just going to I'm just going to answer all your questions with questions. >> I think it's fair. I think it's fair for

Diana Sixtoyou to answer the question, please, and then answer it. >> So, you're trying to compare you're trying to say that uh kids that are raised in a household where the parents are legally married,

Diana Sixto>> do the same or have the same advantage as kids that are raised in a household where the parents are together but not legally married. >> Can you tell me what the difference would be? the the difference is statistically speaking the ones that are married. >> What what would that have to do with a certificate with the state?

Andrew Wilson>> You tell me the correlation. >> I'm asking you. >> I'm just telling you the facts. >> Yeah. But why though? Why why couldn't you have the from a secular view? Why couldn't you have the exact Here's why. I'll tell you why. >> You tell me why. >> So, the reason that you generally see

Andrew Wilsoninside of married households the outcomes being better for the kids because it's tied to religion. >> Almost every single time the outcomes are way better for the kids because it's tied to religion. If you're talking about a purely secular household

Diana Sixto>> like mom, mother and father or boyfriend, girlfriend for 20 years, why do the kids from that union >> do a lot less better than the people that are married? >> Because if they want if they're

Andrew Wilsonreligious, they don't live like that. They get married. If they're not religious, they live like that, right? And they don't institute the religion. >> Most are are religious. And that's >> no most marriages are not which is why

Andrew Wilsonso many of them fail >> at high high high rates. And so the thing is is like this doesn't even answer my question. >> Trying to prevent marriages. >> Yeah. But I need I still need to know why it would be that you need to get

Megan Loftessmarried at all under your worldview here. If the world view is >> Okay. >> Can you stop? >> No. No. I wasn't I just actually was thinking of a point to make but >> Yeah. But >> I didn't do that. >> If the Yeah. If the worldview here is

Andrew Wilsonjust that you want to have a contract with somebody and and live with them and that's going to create better outcomes for the kid, >> some you don't actually you're not telling me why it would be that you would need to get married through the

Diana Sixtostate at all. >> Well, we're both trying to write get more people married and to stay the point. >> Your argument is that they need to be religious and my argument is they should sign a freaking paper and talk about the

Andrew Wilsonhard stuff together. No, my argument which is easier to go. >> No, my argument is that sign up. >> My argument here is that under your worldview there would be no reason to actually get married through the state and you have not provided me a single

Andrew Wilsonone. >> I have provided so many. >> Give me one >> that you can't have without the without the state involved. Give me one one thing that you're getting from the state you can't just do. If you go to a

Diana Sixtohospital, right, and your partner in life gets sick or hurt, you have nothing to prove that you are their partner. So, they can just do an advanced medical directive. Wait, you you asked for an advanced medical directive. I just gave

Brian Atlasyou one, right? >> That's advanced medical directive. You don't need marriage for that. >> Here, here's what I have to do just because we have a lot of people as an example. I gave it to you. I want to make sure that we can get other people Hold on. I want to make sure we can get

Brian Atlasother people pulled in. Here's what I'll do. I'll give you each one minute, >> okay, >> to make finalize your point on this and then I do have to move it on. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Time and then time permitting if we want

Andrew Wilsonto read later. I just want to make sure. >> So I'll I'll finalize it super quick. Right. This is a very common feminist trope. It's a very communist fem trope. The idea is actually it's going to elevate women. That's the whole point. They're trying to secure the fact that

Andrew Wilsonthere's going to be failure. They can take the man for everything. That's what the whole point is. And by the way, let me point this out very quickly. Uh the she never made a single argument ever

Andrew Wilsonfor what you would be getting in this relationship, married versus unmarried. She just keeps saying that they should get married for reasons that she can't even explain. Says advanced medical directives, you can have that without

Andrew Wilsonmarriage. Like you don't need marriage for any of these things. So if you're not religious, what is even the point? >> What are you Whoa. What are you doing? >> I just can I can Yeah, sure. But hang on. >> Can I give a reason? And I've asked like three times.

Brian Atlas>> We'll let her close up though real quick. We'll let her close close up. Can you stop interrupting, please? >> Okay. Thought it was polite. Sorry. >> Huh? >> Thought it was polite. Sorry. >> Just maybe a hand raise might might be better. Sure.

Diana Sixto>> Go ahead. >> Me on the last. >> Are you done? I'm done. I'm done. >> Okay. So again, I think that the benefit of marriage is somebody to witness your life with, to do life with, to make life

Diana Sixtoeasier with, and love is the number one component that should bring in people together. But I live in reality, right? And reality means that I want to be

Diana Sixtoprotected. I want my partner to be protected. I want us to go into a marriage for the right reasons. And I want to set a good example for my kids and make sure that they are taken care of. God forbid something happens. That's it. >> Okay.

SPEAKER_08>> Super feminist. >> Okay. You're Wait, actually, really quick. I have a chat coming in. >> Hide the super. >> Charles Sterling donated $200. >> Thank you, Charles. >> Good to see you again, Mr. Wilson.

SPEAKER_08Prenup is to only protect your wealth, not to protect community property. Yeah. >> Share two common laws after you've been living together for 7 years. >> I think Thank you, Charles. >> I think some states it it could be lower than that or they lowered it, but I'm

Marsnot sure. >> It can vary. >> Yeah, it varies. >> Uh, okay. you wanted to go. >> I was just simply going to say cuz he keeps asking why I get married. Why get married? So simply just to uplevel your commitment. It's a spiritual thing as

Andrew Wilsonwell. >> I agree. I in fact I would say it's only a spiritual thing. So the thing is is like if you're going to uple if you're going to uplevel your commitment, why do you want a prenup again? >> Because if I'm going to be making that

Marscommitment, I want a prenup for protection. and what that prenup resembles. It's a reflection on those difficult conversations that you can have and that relationship that you have with your partner and yourself.

Mars>> Then why are you getting why get married at all? I >> love someone. >> Yeah. But you what what's preventing you from loving them? >> Because I want to uplevel that commitment. I want to solidify that

Marscommitment in a way that involves more than just me and them. >> So you want the state to now get involved? >> Sure. >> It is involved whether you like Wait, do you think do you think so people do make

Marsthat commitment, they go to the state, they get the marriage license. Do you think that this precludes people from splitting up? >> Because what I see >> it doesn't have to do with splitting up. It's >> it seems to me like it's protection for you. >> It's with the intention that you're not

Brian Atlassplitting up. Actually I think so for example I think it creates say in a in a obviously people can have two incomes in a relationship and perhaps in a scenario you guys both have perfectly equal

Brian Atlasequivalent income and resources and finances but typically there you're going to see one person having more resources more money higher income than the other. It seems like it actually

Brian Atlascreates an incentive for the person who uh who makes less money. It actually starts giving them a financial incentive to leave the relationship because there's a financial incentive when you

Andrew Wilsonget married. >> But you're getting a prenup. >> Yeah. Right. But >> you're getting the prenup. >> So, do we agree though that prenups aren't going to cover kids, right? >> Why? >> Well, prenups because the the state the

Andrew Wilsonstate will come in on a prenup for kids in order to divide up kids. >> Well, I'm talking to have that included as well. My understanding, and Brian,

Andrew Wilsonpull this up, but a prenup does not uh does not facilitate custodial rights even at divorce. I don't believe that that's the case. >> Yeah, I'm not sure about that. I think you can maybe arrange something.

Brian Atlas>> You can have something arranged there, but >> uh my understanding with prenups, it can it can address that which the assets prior to marriage, but I don't think prenups can address the community

Brian Atlasproperty. Those are post or uh it can't address that which was acred during the course of the marriage. I think I could be I could be a bit wrong. I do want to move the topic on a little bit. Time

Brian Atlaspermitting. Of course, we can return to it. Uh I think this all kind of kicked off when we were talking about raw meat over here. Um >> I just have one quick question.

Anya (Ana Lacy)>> Okay. What's up? Um the as somebody that kind of has your position on this on prenups, the only argument that I've heard um the strongest one is like, okay, well why do you get car insurance and then you still drive? Why do you get

Andrew Wilsonhealth insurance and you still go outside? >> My position is not don't get a prenup, >> right? >> The position Yeah. The position the position is simply >> What were we talking about? What in the

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] is the point of the marriage? If the idea here is we need prenups to protect assets, that's what our primary goal is. What the [ __ ] Do you even want

Courtney (MS)to get married for >> custody? No, but I'm saying like um the >> you'll still get custody like >> No, I'm talking about second marriage when you have a second marriage with a new person and they are actively

Courtney (MS)fighting to get custody for their children is a reason and it happens way more often than you think because some

Courtney (MS)states some states some chanc >> require if you're going to have custody with a new person in the home living with the child and you want to show

Courtney (MS)stability and you want to prove to the court that you are a stable parent, you have to legally get married to benefit that because I agree with you and I agree with you because I was with you

Courtney (MS)even as a religious person because what is the point? However, when you're in put in positions with an outside

Brian Atlasparent with children, it gets convoluted and the court wants the wants >> I'm sorry, I have to move this on off of the prenup stuff. Uh I off to another topic. Uh Ivy

Brian Atlas>> Ivy, >> yes. Ivy uh you write a disagreement that you have with the show is that sex workers uh or your disagreement is that about sex workers not deserving chivalry. So

Brian Atlasyou believe sex workers do deserve chivalry. However, I've said on the show I don't believe that sex workers or beyond just sex workers, even if a woman's not a sex worker, but if she's

Mary Janenot um a lady so to speak, if she's not ter chivalry. What's your disagreement? I think that every woman deserves chivalry if they're like, you know, connecting

Mary Janewith someone. Yeah. Connecting like on a level of understanding where they are reciprocating each other's values. Okay. >> And not everyone's going to have the same moral values. Not every man is the

Mary Janesame. >> So why why do women in general deserve chivalry? >> I think that I think it's just basic respect. And I think it's Yeah, it's traditional, but I think

Brian Atlas>> but hold on. Can you respect a woman and not provide or do chivalry? >> I guess it depends on the relationship dynamic like what you

Mary Jane>> prefer but I do think that we all deserve to respect each other and to like >> Sorry, continue. Continue. >> I think we deserve to respect each other and to provide like basic human respect

Mary Janelike decency. Like if I don't expect my boyfriend to open the door all the time, but if he wants to do it, it's nice. >> What are What are some other Can you

Brian Atlaslist some of the ways in which men are specifically chivalous? >> Do I have to repeat myself? Can you list some of the ways that men are specifically chivalous?

Mary JaneI guess chivalry is also like I can't necessarily like list it as a structure like a like a set structure like a certain way to do it because what some would deem chivalous could also be insulting to to others.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you would agree with me though when when we're talking about chivalry. Chivalry is something that men do or provide in the direction of women. It's not ever the reverse where women

Brian Atlasare acting in a chivalous manner towards men. You'd agree with that?

Brian Atlas>> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? Like the last repeat? >> Yes. >> I I just said it. Okay. You would agree that chivalry is something men do.

Brian Atlas>> I don't necessarily think that women can't be chivalous. So, >> well, logic. Yes, logically they could. So for example, if chivalry is opening the car door and paying for the first date, yes, logically a woman could do

Brian Atlasthat, but typically the expectation is not on women to do that. And they overwhelmingly don't do that. >> You wanted to give examples of chivalry. >> Yes. The opening of the car door, paying for the first date, walking on the side

Brian Atlasof the road. >> Yes. And um >> why should men do that? >> Because they are the biologically stronger sex. >> What do So what do men get out of that?

Brian AtlasThey get the the feel they get to feel good that they are protecting their >> They get to feel good. >> Okay, that's great. But so die. >> How nice for you.

Diana Sixto>> Can we clarify definitions as to what you think chivalry is versus respect is when talking about like how you treat a person with respect versus chivalry. >> Yeah. So chivalry would typically be

Brian Atlassomething that's it is specifically gendered. It's specifically man to woman. It's almost never woman to man. You never hear either men saying, "I'd like a woman who's chivalous." You never

Brian Atlashear uh women say, "I'm chivalous." Uh so chivalry would be typically the more gendered expectations of men. And those would typically be, you know, s the observing the sidewalk rule where the

Brian Atlasman walks closer to the road. Uh paying for first dates. Uh you could even extend that to being uniquely the provider in the relationship, uniquely paying for things in the relationship.

Brian Atlasuh protector, being the protector, opening the car door, these sorts of things. I would consider that chivalry. Whereas respect would be uh we would all agree that for example, if we go on a date with somebody, we shouldn't like

Brian Atlasinsult them. And that would be uh symmetrical. That would go both that would flow both ways. We should be polite. We shouldn't be insulting. That's something both men and women can do. Respect can flow both ways. Chivalry

Diana Sixtoflows from men to women. >> Okay. And it just again question um so the art the question what we're talking about here is whether sex workers should be treated with chivalry versus respect. >> So dude

Brian Atlas>> what are we arguing here like should they do you think that they should be treated with respect as in like just like a normal person? >> Yeah. So I take it beyond just sex worker. I take it to because a woman

Brian Atlascould be not be a lady so to speak >> uh and not be a sex worker. So a woman could just be very immodest in her dress. She could be highly promiscuous. She could be dating multiple men at

Brian Atlasonce. She could be polyamorous but not a sex worker. She could be sleeping with multiple men at the same time. I think if we're going to have a expectation that men are gentlemen, the woman should not show up on the date with another man's seed inside of her. Like I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to pay I don't think a man should pay for a woman uh on the date. Be the gentleman when there's literally another man's uh seed oozing out of her. That's not very becoming graphic, right? Well,

Brian Atlasit's graphic, but it's true. And it's what I'm trying to get at here is so so sex workers by virtue of them being involved in sex work are not ladies. But

Brian Atlasagain, extends beyond just sex work. It a woman could just not be deserving of chivalry. So, my position is is simply uh if you're a sex worker, look, by the way, just to be clear, I I acknowledge

Brian Atlasthat sex workers are even non-traditional women, they can still receive the uh they still receive the treatment. Like, for example, men paying for first dates, doing all that gentlemanly kind of stuff, they still

Brian Atlasreceive it. But if I'm if I'm looking at the chessboard, the landscape, the hellscape of dating, I have a bird's eye view of what's going on. I can point to that and be like, "That's not fair. That's a raw deal for men. Women aren't

Brian Atlasholding up their end of the deal. Now, of course, men men do uh there's a term in video games called meta, most effective tactics available. And reality is whether the woman's the most

Brian Atlastraditional woman in the world or the biggest [ __ ] in the world, the most effective tactics available for men in terms of getting said woman regardless of who she is, is to is actually

Brian Atlaschivalous. So even feminist women, even sex workers, even non-ladies, uh it is still most effective to be tad as a man in terms of uh paying for dates, uh you

Brian Atlasknow, opening the car door, doing all these uh chivalous behaviors, paying, etc., etc. >> What is a lady to you? >> Uh yeah, so a lady would be sort of the >> I've been curious about this. What is your ideal type? Like if you had to

Brian Atlas>> Well, let me answer her question before I get to you. >> I thought it was the same question, basically. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, well, >> that doesn't have anything to do with type. >> Not entirely, but so, um, yeah, what is a lady? The lady would be the, uh,

Brian Atlascommensurate to whatever. Well, excuse me, not commensurate. You have gentlemen and you have ladies. So, gentlemen would be showing some degree of chivalry. A lady would be a woman who uh, let's see,

Brian Atlastakes on, look, and I believe being traditional to degrees of spectrum. I don't think it's either you're you're fully tried or you're not. I think you're you can land on a bit of a spectrum, but more trad

Brian Atlasthan than not tad, right? So, so for example, like a woman who's not a virgin, can she be a lady? Yes. Um, but like the ultimate manifestation of a lady might be she has like traditional

Brian Atlascu uh value set. She's a virgin. She's not promiscuous. She's modest. Uh, etc., etc. And uh what would not be a lady is a woman who's a stripper. Is a woman who

Brian Atlasdoes romance scams on men. Is a is a woman who posts nude content online. Is a woman who [ __ ] men on camera. Is a woman who sells her [ __ ] Is a woman

Brian Atlaswho is a prostitute. Is a woman who uh posts her butthole and other in whatever on the internet. >> Um a woman a woman that's it's getting

Mary Janeinto the realm of sex work. So yeah, you're not quite a lady. >> An easy way maybe to down this would be >> to you though. Not every single man is going to view it like that. But that's giving his opinion. >> Yeah, I'm just like making I'm just stating that like that's your personal

Andrew Wilsonpreference on how you date. Not every single man is going to view a lady. >> Well, the universals are tied to virtues. That's where that's where we would get the idea. So if we wanted to say what is a lady, we would say one who

Andrew Wilsontypifies feminine virtue. And what is a gentleman would be one who typifies male virtue. >> Yes. What I deem a g gentleman though could be completely different to what you deem a gentleman. >> That's true. But the thing is

Mary Jane>> in my eyes I'm sorry. In my eyes like y'all could be considered not gentlemen just as I couldn't be a lady. So but it doesn't necessarily mean that's the truth shared language. >> Well and virtue attracts virtue. So the

Andrew Wilsonidea is like if somebody's not being very gentlemanly towards you, chances are pretty good you're not being very ladylike towards them or they don't see you as being ladylike and therefore not worthy of gentlemanness. Or the

Andrew Wilsonopposite, you don't see them as being very worthy of uh being ladylike, right? Because of the the virtue attraction. So it's it's the same type of thing. So if

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking for instance uh in traditional American society coming over from what was going on in Western Europe, chivalry was like a old medieval concept, right? And the idea was like,

Andrew Wilson"Oh, late my lady, I'll give you this kurchchief, you know, and win this duel for you so I can win your hand." They're trying to exemplify male virtues that way they can, and this was all romance [ __ ] and there's a whole story behind

Andrew Wilsonit, but it doesn't matter. The idea here is like you're not going to see women put their jacket on the ground so that a man can walk through the puddle without getting his his feet wet, right? That was because of long dresses. Long dresses would flow on the ground. They

Andrew Wilsondidn't want to get them wet or muddy. So, he would put his jacket down, then the woman could go over it. So, that's the idea of gentlemanly like behavior uh

Anya (Ana Lacy)versus uh ladylike behavior. >> So, two things um question. So when it comes to a relationship, is there a

Anya (Ana Lacy)person who first shows the um like the chivalry or being ladylike? Like like if she automatically isn't >> This is a great question and the answer to this is actually simple. So uh

Andrew Wilsonpeople's personality traits are often typified in their presentation, right? So, while it's correct, you could have like a pretty lady situation where you have a prostitute who's dressed in a

Andrew Wilsonflower dress and you don't know anything about her, you could assume that, you know, she's she's a lady or she's she's worthy of gentlemanliness or this or that. The other hand, if they show up

Andrew Wilsonwearing fishnet stockings in a low cut dress, you may instantly make the assumption, ah, probably not very ladylike, not going to be very gentlemanly towards them, right? So, it seems like virtues tend to present themselves in behavior and in

Brian Atlasaesthetics. >> And second thing, just um >> sorry, I just got so distracted. Uh sorry, go ahead. >> I got something here really quick. Um so you do Only Fans, is that correct? >> Yes. >> Do you do traditional like do you do boy

Brian Atlasgirl content? >> I do. Yes. >> Okay. So, is it plausible or possible that you could go on a date with a guy and earlier on in the day you were being [ __ ] by another man? I do it with my boyfriend. I I've only really done it

Brian Atlaswith like >> You've only done boy girl content with your current boyfriend? >> No, with like boyfriends, like partners that I've been really close. I have done collaborations with like >> Then I won't use you specifically. Well, you've done collaborations with guys who

Brian Atlasdid not become your boyfriend or were not your boyfriend. >> Yeah, I've done like one or two. >> Okay. So, for those collaborations the next day, did you go on a date with a guy?

Brian Atlas>> They did take me on dates. They treated me. Not not the guy you shot with. >> I'm talking like Okay, you shoot with a guy and then the next day you go on a date with a completely separate civilian man.

Mary Jane>> No. >> Okay. But you realize it could like that could possibly be true. Like that could happen. >> It definitely is true and I respect other content creators and like what they do with their bodies, but that's just not how I roll pretty much. Like

Brian Atlasit's not my >> right. But so and that's only one example I'm giving but for example I I mean would you agree with me that do you think let's say a sex worker goes on a

Brian Atlasdate with a man uh and then earlier in that day let's say she's a porn star she had a gang bang with like 10 dudes and she goes on a date with like this

Brian Atlascivilian guy who's like a bus driver and not a sex worker. Do you think that that bus driver guy should pay for her pay for the date? >> I think he definitely should understand

Mary Janeexactly what he's doing by dating a sex worker. Like by like opening up to like that that possibility pretty much. >> Well, he I look if if you're a man who's inclined >> I do think she still deserves that. Hold

Brian Atlason. If you're a man who's inclined to date a sex worker, >> question. >> Hold on. Hold on. If you're a man who's inclined to date a sex worker, uh, and

Brian Atlasshe's disclosed what the what the deal is, I mean, you can't really complain about the situation. Uh, however, I again, if if we're doing a bird's eye view looking down at the chessboard, do

Brian Atlasyou genuinely Okay. So if there's an expectation on men to be tad, it would it would occur to me that there should be some expectation on women to also be be tad in some way. So it's like if you

Brian Atlasjust got stuffed by 10 dudes earlier in the day, yeah, you don't deserve a man to pay for your for your dinner. >> If that's what he wants to do with his money, then that's what he is. >> But I understand allowed to do with his money.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, I understand. Trust me. I understand that these men, even though women are the least deserving of chivalry than at any other point in human history, I understand there's plenty of men, you disagree with that. Hold on. I have a

Brian Atlasquestion. You think women are more deserving of chivalry now than they were 100 years ago? >> Just the same or in the 1950s. >> Okay. So, let's talk about statistics. Right now, in this table, we have

Diana Sixtogathered less than.1% of the population. You know, it's women that are sex workers. And again, not to, you know, I'm not going after you ladies, but

Diana Sixtothey're.1% of the population, yet men are the primary consumption of pornography and the work that they do. In fact, the majority of men are the ones that consume what it is that they do. >> I take issue with that, too. That's not

Diana Sixtoeven correct. >> You can't say then that we are at a point in time that women deserve the least amount of chivalry. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. But I I don't see how that point you pointing that's a great red herring. I don't see how that would relate though to my

Diana Sixtopoint. >> Well, because women that have done sex work have always existed throughout history and they have always been a small percentage of the population just like we are doing so right now. Brian, >> well, there's there's a couple other

Brian Atlasthings here. So, if you recall, my argument wasn't exclusively related to sex workers. It was also with like populationwide promiscuity. Do you think women are more promiscuous now in 2026 than they were in the 1940s?

Diana Sixto>> I don't know. We don't have because we don't have birth control that how would wait >> we don't have studies or statistics on that and I don't like to >> you like logic right >> okay so if it's the case that people

Andrew Wilsonwere having lots and lots as much unprotected sex then as they are now >> right and it's the case that abortion is universally outlawed which it was then how come we saw the rate of single motherhood so much less than we do now

Diana Sixto>> wait and >> hang on if if they weren't as promiscuous >> sex well because Unfortunately, and this is another reason why I'm here, the government has incentivized by many ways to divide the nuclear family. And so,

Andrew Wilson>> yeah, but that's not the question. The question is asking about promiscu promiscuity. If it's the case that women were just as promiscuous than is now, but did not have birth control. We still saw way less single motherhood. Wouldn't

Diana Sixtothat stand to reason logically that they were way less promiscuous than the now? >> No. I think that >> so wait we we actually do have statistics on this.

Brian Atlas>> Yes, let's pull them up. >> Hold on. So we we've tracked for example like they'll ask questions like what is the number of premarital sexual partners you've had for example do you think that

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