Rachel Wilson DEBATES Feminists! GOTH GIRL! Fake VlRGlN?! E-GIRLS! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #165

Date: 2024-05-29

Duration: 6h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCeleste X (DT165)>

MMcKenzie (DT165)>

CCarly (DT165)>

JJulia (DT165)>

LLeonardo (DT165)>

RRiley May Lewis (DT165)>

GGaana (DT165)>

RRaika (DT165)>

NNicole (DT165)>

RRachel Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Riley May Lewis(guest)

SPEAKER_04Raika(guest)

SPEAKER_05Nicole(guest)

SPEAKER_07Leonardo/Julia (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_08McKenzie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Gaana(guest)

SPEAKER_13Carly(guest)

SPEAKER_14Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteRachel Wilson introduces herself as 'Mrs Andrew Wilson' with patriarchy day pass joke

“Rachel Wilson: 'I'm Rachel AKA Mrs Andrew Wilson, I'm 43 years old, stay-at-home mom, wife, homemaker, researcher, author — and the patriarchy gave me a day pass to be here via Andrew.' Brian: 'Patriarchy is very generous and benevolent.'”

QuoteRiley May Lewis describes her one-sided open relationship

“Riley: 'I am in a fully committed one-sided open relationship — on his side.' Brian: 'So you're monogamous, he's sleeping with other [women]?' Riley: 'He is allowed to get with anyone and I am not allowed to get with anyone.'”

QuoteRiley justifies one-sided open arrangement with 'high value man' rationale

“Riley: 'He's a very high value man... he provides for me in every single way... he checks every single box a girl could possibly want and every girl goes for a man that's in the top 1% and there's not that much to go around.'”

Key MomentRaika describes year-long situationship where she lived in his car

“Raika: 'He told me he doesn't believe in titles and he didn't want to be exclusive because he wanted to be with multiple women... I kept trying to leave [but went back many times]... he was also my best friend and we were like living in my car together.'”

Key MomentLeonardo gives anti-feminist speech to panel

“Leonardo: 'I try to do my best to tell young women that they're under the thumb of Oppression even though it's being presented to them as Liberation.' Carly responds that she's never heard this in college. Extended debate begins.”

QuoteLeonardo claims Gloria Steinem was in the CIA

“Leonardo: 'Feminism as it is was constructed by the CIA with Gloria Steinem — she was in the CIA. It's very well documented.' He also argues James Bond novels were written by an intelligence officer as a CIA psyop promoting promiscuity.”

QuoteRating round: Brian rates himself a 5

“Brian (host): 'I get myself a five' after guests go around with ratings ranging from 5-7.5.”

Key MomentRachel Wilson's hostile Miami trip story

“Rachel Wilson describes flying to Miami to meet a Hinge match she'd already met in DC; he was immediately hostile upon her arrival ('I can't believe I let a stranger into my house'), they were stuck in a monsoon. She left early.”

QuoteRachel Wilson discloses sex trafficking at ages 18-19 (attributed to Celeste SPEAKER_14)

“Celeste X: 'I was sex trafficked at like 18 and 19... it was like prostitute but was it voluntary... no... the last time was more voluntary because I thought I was going into porn.' Prompted by body count question.”

QuoteCeleste X reveals body count is 50+ due to sex trafficking history

“Celeste: 'I don't really know what my body count is to be honest... it's over 50.' Brian: '50 to 60 or something like that?' Celeste: 'Yeah... I was sex trafficked at 18 and 19.' Panel reacts with empathy.”

QuoteRiley May Lewis claims essentially-virgin body count

“Brian: 'Body count... less than five?' Riley: 'Under five.' Brian: 'Is it zero?' Riley: 'Under five. Zero.' Friend Carly/Gaana laughs. Riley: 'Stop the cap... that's why I stick to anal sex.' Brian: 'I won't even... that like scares me for real.'”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and announcements

Brian's standard intro and announcements. All 10 guests (8 female + Leonardo) introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian asks follow-up questions on content type, tic disorder (McKenzie), relationship with Andrew Wilson (Rachel).

Relationship status round

Round-robin relationship status: single/relationship/situationship, longest relationships, recent breakups. Deep dives into Riley's one-sided open arrangement, Raika's 1-year situationship, Carly getting back together with ex during midterms.

Feminism debate: CIA psyop and sexual Revolution

Primary ongoing debate throughout show. Rachel Wilson and Leonardo argue feminism is a CIA psychological operation (Gloria Steinem/CIA); James Bond as male promiscuity psyop; Communist infiltration of universities. Nicole argues for co-opting feminist label via Catholic framework. Carly disputes conspiracy framing, defends her college experience. Multiple rounds across the show.

Abortion and reproductive rights debate

Extended debate on abortion rights, paper abortion (legal paternal surrender), unilateral reproductive decisions. Brian argues men should have a legal paternal surrender equivalent if women have unilateral abortion access. Rachel argues secular society replaced religion with political ideology. Carly defends current legal status.

Trans issues and gender as social construct

Debate triggered by question 'is it straight for a man to date a trans woman?' Nicole defends social construct framework for gender vs. sex; Rachel and Leonardo argue biological reality; Rachel argues feminists opened the door to trans ideology via Margaret Fuller (1800s gender spectrum writings).

Self-ratings round

Stiffler TTS asks panel to rate their looks 1-10. Rapid responses (mixed diarization): range of 5-11 (one joke '11'). Brian rates himself a 5. Discussion of humility vs confidence in self-ratings.

Egirl/trad-girl online culture discussion

Discussion of right-wing e-girl Twitter drama; Rachel Wilson's post about e-girl trad culture attracted attacks from competing e-girls. Leonardo and Rachel discuss the phenomenon of e-girls positioning themselves as conservative content creators.

Bear vs. man in the woods

Classic debate question: would you rather encounter a random man or a random bear in the woods? Brian asks each guest. Brian follows with: 'If you answer bear, is your answer racist?' Discussion of whether the question has racial implications.

Rachel Wilson Miami trip and singleness fast

Rachel Wilson tells story: met man on Hinge, had met in DC already, he flew her to Miami but instantly became hostile upon her arrival; stuck during monsoon; she slept in same bed while he was mean. Triggered a 70-day singleness fast and 'Encounter With Jesus.' Led to dating a 6-years-younger man briefly.

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest sets an age range then swipes 20 male Bumble profiles. Most guests rejected 18-20/20 profiles. Raika said yes to 1-2 (car Kink, Wranglers). Celeste said yes to 5-6. Rachel's range: 30-45. Discussion of why women are so selective on dating apps.

Body count round

Brian asks everyone's body count at end of show. Celeste X: 50+ (complicated by sex trafficking at 18-19). Under 5: Gaana/Riley area. Riley claims essentially 0 (anal only); friend Gaana visibly skeptical. Rachel: very low, can count on one hand. Brian: won't disclose. Celeste discloses sex trafficking history in detail.

Transcript

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Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)those digits later I mean he's looking for more wom so why not add can I ask you a question you said you think high value man okay you think that you think that

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)religion is brainwashing you said I well to me personally when I was in um Christianity and stuff like I felt like I was brainwashing stuff too um to what brainwashed to believe what especially

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)for emotionally like they try to have you emotionally trauma Bond uh I've been to like church camps and stuff where they would have you like share your traumas and stuff and all cry together

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)that sounds like a cult noral under the guys of Christianity yeah I've um and also you have to make the decision as I feel like the most judgmental people I've met in my life have been like

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Christians and have you met a liberal yeah I mean it's just like I just I I don't have any hate I feel like Jesus Christ would be a cool [ __ ] dude you

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)know he hung out with everyone so like I feel like if that is true he would be a cool dude but tell them when people say he hung out with everyone what did he tell them he hanged out with the the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)to he tell the prostitutes he told them leprosy to stop prostituting he told this the thieves to stop thieving he told right he told people to stop your

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)[ __ ] at the same time as follow he didn't really judge them for it that's the thing and he is the judge Christ is the the judge he is the ultimate judge well he did he did say he did Judge the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)action but still held the value of the person but he always said stop sinning repent and come to me is that problematic you and he also told the Sinners that wanted to Stone that

TTS/Chat readeradulterous woman if you if you're without sin donated $200 okay Jim Bob would like to know about the B Widow and also he would strongly endorse a

Brian Atlaswhatever blur effect to prevent nip slips or just hide the Demonic degenerate women oh my God okay thank you man appreciate it okay so that's a no for you let's go back to the question

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)though would they date me uh will not offend I will not be offended at all I mean I honestly don't know cuz I don't know you as a person person but if from right now I would say no cuz I don't

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)know you okay so it's kind of like cuz it sounded like you said you think I wouldn't date you so it's kind of like I'm going to reject you it would be like I think you wouldn't date me like cuz I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)know I've seen your you know show and I've seen your type of I've seen your type of views and I don't think we have the same views and I don't think we would you know be on the same note with

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)things and so I just like for me personally with my partners I like to at least be on somewhat the same page we can agree to disagree on things but it's

McKenzieokay yeah it's all right it's fine what about oh you're so cool though like just kidding probably not okay I can fix her though but okay

Carlyprobably not but I think I think I could fix Brian fix f i i can fix you but I am I am intrigued about your personal life I would not date you but I would like go

CarlyI would have a drink with you to to hear stories about your personal life okay when I came here in October I was super interested ooh

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)oh all right but but but I don't I don't know where I stand as much now but fair enough okay well while you do have some very nice Aryan features and U Aryan

Brian Atlasfeatures he has lovely eyes you know what's funny people will send me like AI generated versions of me but like as a certain fascist leader of yes a guy with

Brian Atlasa no like they're like Brian you kind of if you changed a few things you kind of look a little bit like a certain and that is appealing to me

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)but we know you're type um dictate you at first you kind of struck me as a little bit of an insecure man and so I wasn't quite well you know you know but uh I don't know you've sort

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)of proven yourself to be a little bit different okay you know all right there you go so maybe that's a maybe all right that's a maybe there you have it folks all right U I'm going to have to say no well you're in a relationship you're not

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)high and you're not going to sleep with other women no matter what she does that's true I'm I'm yeah I tend to be more on the monogamous side what about you no okay she that's the only thing she said the whole show by the way I have some

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)questions for her I'm going to I'm going to Loop her in don't worry uh what what about you um no just because of age just CU of age yeah it's okay I can fix you I can fix her okay well are you going to sleep in your car cuz you win her over

Brian Atlasplease don't win no definitely no car I need I I need I got back problems so I need a good good mattress a good bed you there are nice cars comment back up she had a Cadillac we had a car mattress exactly there you

Brian Atlasgo I would not date you now it's okay I get it wait are hold on wait hold on this was not are you currently dating a man or a woman oh I'm

Brian Atlasdating a man I only date Catholics too oh wait why I for some reason I looked on your Instagram I thought you were dating a woman it's just the soccer

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)shirt yeah I know F I just like to be more modest sorry I'm just messing with you to modesty I just thought okay okay all right lesbians play soccer that wait

Brian Atlasdoes my Instagram show that I'm dating a woman no I don't remember what it was but like there was a photo maybe it was like you with a female friends I don't know whatever it doesn't matter okay all

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)right there you have it folks all right and then we have mu muana wait we didn't ask her if she would date you Rachel's I see no one but Andrew I'm out wi if

Brian Atlasanything happens to him it's over for me so but Brian's cool he's my Caucasian yeah she's my Caucasian we're friends like we're we're homies uh can I have you read this

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)one wow who the [ __ ] cares oh hold on Wow who the [ __ ] cares about if there should be a child support or not while like you all all forgot what it's about

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)the child you force that kid into existence and they deserve the best pay up look at that language force that kid into existence so that you are the Crux of the problem because you think

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)existence is a burden it is it's a gift it is a burden it's a gift and a burden that's why you think the way you think cuz you literally have swallowed the brainwashing I love being alive but

Carlythat's definitely bur too much fluoride for this one way too much fluoride fluide kind of presupposition about like I'm trapped in my flesh relativism through I mean we all we all face

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)burdens you guys are lying if you say you've never felt existence is a gift if any of us really believed that it was a burden we wouldn't be here we would have taken ourselves out a long time ago no I think

Nicoleshe had a good question though are you are you um pro-choice Brian that's an interesting question you're going to lose half your fans

Brian Atlaseither way the why look I've kind of already talked about on the show frankly there's certain political things I don't like to get into in terms of my views on it uh

Brian Atlaspro-life arguments are extremely compelling however I do see the the sort of current status quo like practically speaking pretty much any woman in honestly any state because I believe

Brian Atlasit's the case even though some states have I think they've outlawed uh practitioners like women can get like the pill or whatever pretty much in any state is my understanding even the states it's like banned you can just

Brian Atlasorder it and I don't think on the federal because I think the mail is on the federal level I don't know the exact details of it practically speaking any woman in this country can get an

Brian Atlasabortion and truth be told I kind of put uh men's rights advocacy above uh any sort of conservative values not to I'm not even sure if I'm really even

Brian Atlasconservative but uh it occurs to me that when it comes to Reproductive Rights the current status quo is women have a Monopoly on Reproductive Rights in this country regardless of the state you're in and then for example especially here

Brian Atlasin California women have pretty much unlimited unfettered access to abortion so it does occur to me that it

Brian Atlaswould be equal for men to be able to have a Le what I call Legal paternal surrender we already talked about that some people call it

Nicolepaper abortion if y'all can murder the kid we should at least be able to abandon it so are you saying says Chappelle are you saying that like um because uh Banning abortion is not

Nicolerealistic it's better to go for you know take a men's rights approach to um the current like reproductive laws well I mean that is the current

Brian Atlasstatus quo I think it's going to be and since you know the whole row v Wade thing that wasn't about banning abortion that just put it back to the states there are going to be some states that are going to make moves to limit women's access to abortion there's going to be

Brian Atlassome states for example California I can't imagine any scenario unless at the federal level there's a ban which I'm not clear if that's going to ever happen but uh any woman could get an abortion in California airG go I think that any

Brian Atlasman in California who gets a woman pregnant not saying he ought he should do this but he should have the option to forgo responsibility in the same way that women have that option because

Brian Atlaswe're all we have gynocentric as you said a gy gynocentric Society women have all these rights without any corresponding duties or responsibilities it occurs to me if we're going to be on this equality

Nicoleegalitarian thing men should also have Reproductive Rights on on this just essentially like you are against abortion but because

Brian Atlasabortion is um legal you're for men's rights like I guess pro- lifee arguments are incredibly compelling incredibly comping and are not so easily dismissed

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)but on a practical level on a practical level that's what I'm talking about okay if it was completely illegal then would you feel differently like if we did Outlaw abortion across the board or

Brian Atlaswould you still want the men to be able to opt out if abortion was outlawed completely then no I it would not be uh mentioned not have the legal paternal

Brian Atlassurrender I think that's consistent yeah but it's not illegal really so uh it occurs to me that this would be equality for the feminists uh

Brian Atlasalthough feminism has never really been about equality really I'm kind okay so you said women have the Monopoly on Reproductive Rights yes I mean women are the ones who

Brian Atlasreproduce so doesn't it make sense that they would have the Monopoly on Reproductive Rights I mean they don't reproduce how do they reprodu yeah well they're the ones they're the ones who give birth can a woman choose to get an abortion because she doesn't want to be

Brian Atlasfinancially responsible for the child yeah no let's say but let's say she she's willing to go through with the actual physical childbirth process but

Brian Atlasshe it determines I'm kind of young I'm not financially ready so is that justification enough from your worldview for a woman to get an abortion yeah so I

Carlymean ah okay no I was going to ask do you consider so you think that like the legal surrender whatever that you would consider that a reproductive right yes okay I was just I was curious what you were saying by Reproductive Rights wait

Brian Atlasbut that answered the actual question oh which sorry repeat the question so if a woman let's say she's she's willing to go through the physical difficulty of being pregnant and and through

Brian Atlaschildbirth but she's Keen to getting an abortion because for uh financial reasons do you think that that is pretext enough for a woman to get an abortion yeah but you already know I

Carlyagree with the whole like Financial surrender thing okay yeah so I'm no yeah I was just curious your your definition F

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)fism yes wait okay hold on where were we I forgot where we how did we get there we already answered the dating Brian this corner of the room is would probably well I have a couple chats here

Brian Atlasso let me pull these up American land of free loud Slavic mil lives on an Hamin Let's Dance girl is hottest on panel oh dude you're getting a lot of compliments tonight thank you guys thank we're going to call her trailer Swift okay just

Brian Atlaskidding I'm kiding I'm kidding I'm kidding Rachel against America's founding father's shame moral authoritarian Putin worshipper to port to Russia do you even know what an ad homm is what a I'm not a Putin

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)worshipper but the American founding was incredibly flawed and if you want to get into that I suppose we could but I don't think Brian wants to so sorry I'm not an americanist go read my substack find out

Brian Atlaswhy read the substack boys and then we have muan once again why is the discussion on Pro not even not even happening it's a woman's body her life and her choice when man forces her to do his bidding

Brian Atlasthen that's ownership well hold on my wallet my choice first off you don't own your wallet it belongs to the

Brian Atlasstate that's true Fiat true okay mov let's bring gig into this Gigi let me get my notes here you said that

Brian Atlasuh you wanted to you had a hot take on dating serial dating and crazy relationship story as a guy I was talking to who is two timing you and this girl who also appeared on the podcast like you were in class you were

Brian Atlaswere classes to him what okay you were dating a guy who was or sleeping with a guy who was also

Gaana[ __ ] a chick who yes had been on the podcast yes she was on the podcast do you know her name I don't want to say it I don't out of

Gaanarespect for her because just I don't know if she still she been on twice no she's only been on once Ran's like trying to figure out who it is yeah she's been on once I if I say exactly what she said then I I feel like

Gaanayou would have an idea but I don't want to say little hint give us some hints here I I just don't cuz I don't want her to hate me even more than she probably already does I haven't talked to her at all and didn't you you said that she

Brian Atlasblocked you on social media yeah I didn't even know [ __ ] she blocked you you get you can say it no no I can't say it all right that's fine what was what was the story quick story there you said

Gaanadrama was insane friendship yeah blah blah blah the whole thing cuz I've known her since I think we were like children like in elementary school and I've also

Gaanaknown the guy same he went to the same school overall MH um I was talking to him I have like whole timeline and everything like Thanksgiving break and and we were talking everything was going like I thought it was going well I was hanging out with his friends he was

Gaanahanging out with my friends and I think a month after that so it was like December uh I found out about her I let her know I uh not let

Gaanaher know but I told her what was going on like that he was getting with me and then that he was also getting with her and then comes to find out he was also

Gaanagetting with many more girls that I didn't know and we I has he been on the show no he goes to like a whole different college and everything cuz we

Gaanahad a guy on the show a long time ago who's like smashed like five girls who been on the show oh he told me his body count was like 20 something plus I don't

Gaanaeven know it's probably more now but okay maybe I'll give you a little hint but she said that her like on the podcast you asked if her relation relationship was monogamous and she said like she paused

Brian Atlasand she was like yes that is not enough detail for me to okay good that's good we're doing perfectly fine all right so basically you were dating a guy and he

Gaanawas sleeping with another chick yeah but she went out of her way to so when I joined sbcc we had there's like that little ad page where you could basically

Gaanalike just let people know like who you are her and her roommate both made rude comments to me and like was basically just like bullying me like in my own like in that

Brian Atlascom okay but you got to give us the actual details otherwise it's not really interesting I know but the com okay they called me a fish why like a catfish no

Gaanalike that I smelled like a salmon oh I smelled like fish she doesn't smell I promise you guys no because I guess like a whole a whole rumor that had gone around in our high school like about

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)that with a guy that I didn't even do anything with through that around and they did that in the comment section and okay people start rumors based on nothing A lot of times yeah that's why and it's very tempting to believe them

Brian Atlasbecause they start with such confidence but yeah ask Andrew's black ex-wife about that we have something here we have notes Here for McKenzie McKenzie you said you have somewhat limited dating

Brian Atlasexperience uh you have some situationship stories uh but it sounds like a guy was cheating on you got ditched on Valentine's Day M

McKenzieI did and my birthday same guy or different guy same guy it's just yeah I was seeing him for a while like right when I first moved out here and it was going really well initially he didn't want any relationship but I did then he

McKenziewanted a relationship but at that point I was kind of like 3 months in if you don't want to date me then like I'm moving on at that point you should know if you want to be in a relationship with me at that point so then I was kind of checked out that he wanted to start dating and then we kind of just kept it going because I was like Hey like I

McKenziestill like you so I do want to like maybe like give us this another chance and see is going to go anywhere possibly um next you know like Valentine's Day is rolling up and I'm like oh my God I'm actually going to have like a Valentine's Day like thing going on like I was really hoping I was like maybe

McKenzieeven like you my birthday's coming up like maybe he'll ask maybe his girlfriend or something guess Valentine's Day the day before Valentine's Day he doesn't like text me like ow besides like one time next day I'm getting already I have a dress picked out like I'm ready to like do our

McKenziestuff he just doesn't show up doesn't text doesn't call then a week later he's like oh what' you end up doing on Valentine's Day and I was like o I thought we were supposed to do something and then he's like like okay well I'll make it up to you'll do something for your birthday doesn't do anything for my birthday and completely forgets about it

McKenzieand his birthday is literally the day after mine too so I was like he didn't forget He's a brave and a decent man he's a Pioneer this guy sounds like a legend to be

McKenziehonest right yes but women are the problem indeed sounds great yeah I mean not to mention he was like he's like a couple years old like he's a decent amount older than me so I was kind of like you should grow up a little bit

Brian Atlashere he's never going to grow up those types never grow up okay so good times and then I need to get up for a sec Rachel you had a question here about

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)chores why don't you take it away yes okay so one of my most viral tweets that had like 5 million impressions or something was just me saying that since I've been with my husband he has not

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)done any housework he just doesn't do housework I do the housework the kids help me with the housework he doesn't do any how do you guys feel about men and women if they're cohabitating they're

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)married whatever share in the housework should both people do housework should it be the woman's responsibility what do you guys think let's start with her and

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)we'll go around um well I'm do you do you work like a job besides for I mean then I think it's like if he works a job fulltime then I think it's fair that

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)you're doing a job at home while he's doing a job there like I mean that makes sense to me okay and if both people work do you think they should split it then personally yeah I do I do what about you

McKenzieI would honestly say pretty similar like for your situation makes a lot of sense I think obviously if you guys are both working like 9 to five jobs you can't expect for like the woman just come home and just clean up after you all the time like you're a child so I think if you're

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)both working you should it should be split if you're a stay- home mom and like you're just at home with the kids all day then it just kind of makes sense now I had a lot of women who were stay-at-home moms and they were like but I get exhausted after being with the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)kids all day so when he gets home from work I need a break so I'm like wait so the man has has to work all day and then when he gets home he also has to work so you can have a break so how do you feel about that what about if the woman is

McKenziereally tired and the man comes home from working like a 10-hour shift I think I don't know I think that's just like being lazy honestly yeah I mean if you're home all day like obviously like okay like you've been with the kids all day your husband gets home like obviously you should spend time with his children and maybe do something like

Carlythat like he shouldn't be expected to like go mow the lawn right after work right what do you think Carly I think it should be proportional to how much you work outside the home but I would disagree that if a woman is at home she

Carlyshould be doing 100% because I mean you say he's working all day and he comes home he has to do chores then that's him working all day but if a woman is with the kids all day and then doing chores they she's the one working all day so

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)it's like either way someone's working 24 hours basically I think there needs to be a little bit of do you really think that being a stay-at-home mom so like I have five with five kids do you think that as a stay-at home mom with

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)five kids I'm actually working the whole day depends on how old your kids are yeah okay like let's say when it was the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)hardest when they were zero and three and seven and 9 and 11 absolutely yeah I think you are working all day I I personally if you're managing your

Carlyhousehold I was going to say when I come home from work I am doing like nothing it it's nothing but but if I was to come home from work and then I have to take care of children I mean like that that

Carlyto me is just more work like my mom was a stay-at home mom and I was I was on her house all day like she was definitely working for me all day did you have siblings much older not not like okay yeah yeah cuz see to me that's

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)the difference when you just have one or two they are all on top of you constantly by the time you got four or five you have your own little ecosystem and the kids are all kind of like helping each other and taking care of things and the older ones have a lot of

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)responsibilities and can help and things like that so if they have good examples though like if you have to you have to teach them that system course but it's we're talking over the course of 20

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)something years you optimize I think you just it just kind of happens if you have a big family which that's why I often tell people if we were having bigger families I think women would actually have a much easier time

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)if all the other women weren't at work cuz what was hard for me yeah is like my mom worked my sister worked my friends were everybody worked I was the only stay-at-home mom so I didn't have help whereas if it was 100 years ago all of

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)us are stay at- home all of us have our kids your cousins come over your sister comes over your church group gets together and there's like more help so which is so much more fun yeah it would be so much more fun

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)but what you think about men and women splitting housework so I have an interesting take so my dad is top provider like like and my mom has a

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)part-time job that she does like just for her own little slush fun but um but he also she cooks and then he'll usually do the dishes um he kind of likes doing it I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)guess it's for him he's that's just like his personal like he would was I guess when he was a kid telling his mom not to fold his laundry cuz he wanted to fold it a certain type of way and so so so I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)come from a a family where it wasn't uncommon for men to see to do the housework but it wasn't from a place of like my mom is domineering or my dad is being sub submissive or feminine it was

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)it was like he seems to be he liked he's a very hard worker and so it's almost like I think he can be a workaholic and it's like hey you have to like stop and that's it's hard for him to rest but I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)think you know so when I look at it I'm I think that you know it is tiring when you're at a job all day so I think there there there is a give and take I think

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Al but it's tiring if you're managing a household I I I don't think that some of the more masculine jobs like taking out the trash yard work that kind of thing I would expect him to to do also stuff

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)like dealing with if there's a leak that's what I need him to you know what I mean or but like laundry dishes is mopping back yeah I would be I'm I'm

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)happy to to take on that responsibility and then I think if we're both working then I think then that's when you start all right you have two incomes so now we have to find a we

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)have to pay for my we have to pay for like help my my my best friend she always says she's like I am super excited to help my assistant manage my

Background/minorhousehold that's what she always said Lord have mercy can't relate okay what do you think Le I'm too hot for housework so okay that's below me what do you

Riley May Lewisthink Riley women should handle all the housework I think that if a man has to go out and work and provide and give all of his energy to his job he should at least be able to come home to a happy

Riley May Lewiswife with dinner on the table not like the house being organized I feel like it's very simple things to ask I honestly can't believe Andrew Tate hasn't married you already it's like it's a mystery he's

Gaanaabout to hit you up ready no what do you think I think the complete opposite I think well cuz for me I want to work when I'm older yeah I want to work when I'm older and then

Gaanaobviously I want my husband to work or whoever but I do believe in Split like chores like but with me with when it comes to like dishes or anything I was raised if you like if your plates dirtyy

Gaanayou have to wash your own dish okay what if uh your husband Cooks the food say he likes cooking then I'll be happy sorry but then I'll be happy to wash the dishes like yeah I'm grateful since you said you want to

Gaanawork do you also want to be a mom I've thought about it I'm 18 I'm young so but when I do think about kids maybe like maybe like later down the

Gaanaline I don't know what age just I I don't know if you had kids would you still want to be at work all

Gaanaday no or I would I would eventually want to go back to it like when they were older or something okay that's cuz

Gaanathat's what my mom's doing cuz I have two twin siblings and um well she had she had to quit her job because of like personal reasons between her boss but um

Gaanashe wants to get a job now that my siblings are growing older okay cuz she feels like she's just at home all day and it's just like like they they're old

Raikaenough to do their own things now okay what about you raika um the question was do you think that we should like both do equal chores yeah like if you're if

Raikayou're either living with your boyfriend you're married are you guys going to split the housework do you think that's Woman's Work what do you think yeah I mean it it depends if he's like working all day I'm happy to stay home and do the chores if I'm not working but if I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)am working I think we should split it evenly I feel like that's the most logical response yeah yeah I I think I would agree with that okay so for all of you who said if we're both working we should

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)split the chore so we should split the housework does that mean cuz this is how I see it playing out in the real world that means he has to take care of the Plumbing Leak he has to unclog the toilet if you can't do it yourself with

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)the plunger he's got to like fix stuff mow the lawn do the trimming take out the trash take the car to get the oil changed all that kind of stuff and split

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)the chores do you feel like it would be what would be the chores because like I in that case things that people usually consider like hous work that like a 1950s housewife would do so like dishes

Nicolelaundry mopping uh sweeping dusting organizing I mean I'm sure you could find an even split with that like maybe if he does that like the car work and

Nicolethe piping and whatever then you could do the dishes and the kitchen work and then clean the rest of the house would be um I don't know there would be a way to make it proportional so but then don't you get into this thing where we're keeping track and we've got like a

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)sheet and we have to tally it and then the woman cuz this is what I ship is going to be great right exactly that's what I always see is like the woman will be like well but I did the laundry on Saturday and then when you didn't do the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)laundry on Tuesday I had to do it now I'm upset with you and he's like but I had to mow the lawn and you don't mow the lawn and then you get into this like points keeping score well this is all talking I you know idealistically and none of it's real practical I mean

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)anybody who's ever been with a man realizes that you tend to see things messy before he does you tend to be bothered by uh things not being organized or clean way before he does

McKenzieunless you're dating somebody who's really God like the typ a dad the type like I have kind of a type a dad who likes to do that but in general yeah to say like I feel like in a healthy relationship though like obviously that could be an issue but like with my

McKenzieparents for example like my dad would like offer to wash the dishes or offer to M the LA because he wanted to take something off my mother's back and it was cuz he loved her so it's like if you love each other and care about each other in a relationship I feel like you'll want to take on certain chores

Carlyfor them or want to do certain things for them yeah I think whatever you should work out whatever split doesn't make one partner feel especially burdened and like if you feel like your children are helping to take care of each other in a sense and you don't feel especially burdened by the housework

Carlythen that sounds healthy but there might be some women who maybe the child has a disorder or something is different that she's going to feel especially burdened and she's not going to be happy she's going to be resentful if the man isn't

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)you know doing laundry once a week guys guys why aren't we all just hiring Mexicans I mean we have enough of them I mean they could do the the fix the leak

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)and clean the house I mean versatile well here's something interesting when they do surveys among divorced couples and the woman initiates the divorce one of the top reasons she always gives is

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)she feels like I feel like right they never say I think they say I feel like uh he didn't do enough for me right it's like the number one thing and I think

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)that we give women like a totally like overblown expectation that men are supposed to like serve us or be doing he wasn't emotionally taking care of me usually means like I wanted him to

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)anticipate that I want him to do a bunch of [ __ ] that he would never think about that I would want him to do and stuff like that so if we see that women are just generally always dissatisfied they don't think their partner as a man

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)partner I don't do the partnership thing but they always say my partner isn't supporting me he's not giving me enough he's not doing enough for you know what that usually means he's not good in bed that's why she's upset well I have a

Nicolequestion telling you I'm I'm sorry just do your woman right and she'll clean the dishes dude I mean that's how kind of how it works in the Wilson house but yeah I I mean I'm hearing a lot of like

Nicoleyou know women initiate divorces I'm just curious because you've gotten divorce did you initiate your divorces n divorces no I got abandoned twice two major L's for me two big L sounds like

Carlyyou would have to agree that sometimes men can be the problem whether they initiate the divorce or leave you all people can be problems but yeah so why do you assume that in all these cases it's women saying well I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)feel this way and she the wrong because we choose them I did not have to make babies with either of those guys I did not have to marry my ex-husband I chose

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)them and then when I got what I ordered it didn't turn out to be what I thought it was now I'm not saying that I shouldn't have to say this but I do not

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)saying abuse is ever okay but what I am saying is that women think that that we're going to be The Gatekeepers of sex we're going to be the choosers we're going to pick the guys and then we have ridiculous expectations we think that

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)it's going to be Disney princess like grid One Motorsports is saying at least a lot of women do they have expectations that don't match reality they want the man to provide they want the man to lead they want the man

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)to I'm interested that's what everyone that they're like oh he's controlling he's abusive I am interested I am interested to know what you think cuz biblically man the man is called is

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)is has the higher calling the man is called to emulate Christ the woman is called to emulate the church this is not an argument for a woman to just I mean oh whatever but I'm I'm I'm interested to know what you think about that

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)because it it's harder to be like Christ than it is to be like the church and Christ gave his life for the church he loved her gave his life for her and while the church is supposed to submit

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)just like the wife submits to the husband I do think that is the harder role and so more responsibility it shouldn't necessarily be Tit for Tat I think in the male actually has the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)higher calling and the more responsibility I agree with that but where I went wrong when I was young was I had a very Normy I was Christian but I was like a cultural Protestant Christian

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)I thought like if you to ask me at the time I was serious about it but I also had this like we were talking about the libertarian American idea and when I was young I had this I bought into the stupid [ __ ] [ __ ] that a lot of us buy

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)into like oh we don't need a piece of paper you know we're we're going to get married eventually I'm sure it will happen we've talked about so it's fine that we're living together now like I made all these little concessions I made

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)all these little excuses for things I thought were fine and it was like well I'm a really capable person and I can do it I just had like the whole wrong view of the world and relationships and how that works part of that is had a Marxist

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)feminist mother who was deeply indoctrinated what yeah and she would you know kind of share this stuff with me and divorced my dad kicked him out of the house and so it was like comparatively I thought I was pretty

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)conservative but I was basically just like a Normy girl who was like I'll just live with my boyfriend because it's practical and we'll spit split the bills and then when that didn't work out I was like

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)devastated and now of course 43-year-old me would look back and be like oh honey you were so silly thinking that like oh we're just going to live together and that'll work out um I think most women

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)do that I think they think it's fine I'm sorry U did you convert after you married your husband now yeah we both converted at the same time uh like three and a half years ago to Orthodoxy we

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)went from being like Normy non-denominational Protestants to being like more conservative Protestants and then realizing there's a whole batch of problems that comes with that and then looking for answers in church history do

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)a little digging on the history of the church and you find the Orthodox church and there's kind of no turning back after that at least for us so I'm just saying like I think this whole modern

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)idea of we're going to have an egalitarian relationship where I work and he works and we're going to raise the kids together and we're going to be partners and we're going to share the chores it doesn't really work very well

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)for most people in reality and we can see that in the extremely low rates of marriage and the really high rates of divorce and just the general dissatisfaction this whole podcast exists because people can't figure out

Nicolewhat the hell is going on with male female relationships well what if both parties do work then because I mean a lot of people both parties have to work because of our economy at this time that's true but the reason they have to

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)work is because women joined the workforce in huge numbers in the 70s and wages for men have been stagnant ever since then have not kept up with inflation so yeah now we're in a

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)position where a lot of moms have to work now well they made they they made the women have to join the workforce the economy was doing what it was doing and the whole point like one of the big

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)purposes women want to join the workforce that's just oh it's so stupid my oldest daughter when she started working she like graduated high school and started working she called me and she's like Mom why do we do this why do

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)we pretend that working a job is awesome and that we love it this is stupid and I hate it and I was like Y unless you have a real purpose there are listen there's a there's a small percentage of women who have a real purpose they have real

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)talent that should not be wasted I 100% agree with that and that's okay but it's the same way that we push everybody into college and not everybody belongs in college if you have a real intellect you have a real passion for something you're studying go for it yeah um I feel like

Nicolethat didn't really answer my question because I don't really mind like I mean I if I could control it then I guess because well you can here's my answer to that cuz people ask me this they like well but I have to work and I'm like you

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)don't you would just have to make a lot of choices you don't want to make you'd have to make a lot of compromises you don't want to you might have to move to a cheap area in the rural Midwest where you can afford to stay home you might have to work part-time remotely from

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)home so that you can prioritize the kids there are ways to do it you might have to have a cash we might have to have a financial Revolution and overthrow the existing going to say it sounds like Financial collapse will have to happen

Carlybecause if women exit the workforce on mass then you're just going to run into a bunch of different problem if everyone moves to the Midwest on mass property Val property cost cost of living is just going to go up there's a difference between if you're asking me for my

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)prescription there's difference between what I would prescribe for an individual person right now dealing with the system we're in versus what I would prescribe for the system long term long term I think feminism will be looked backed

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)upon as like this awful disaster that we tried and it failed and it was horrible and we're going to not we're going to be ruled by feminist gargoyles for a while so we are but the problem with it is

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)that it's literally not sustainable South Korea the most westernized Asian country has a birth rate of 0.78 uh Japan and Canada are now euthanizing the elderly because there's

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)more elderly people in diapers than there are babies in diapers uh the supply chain problems that we've been dealing with since the cough cough stuff has never gone away because we actually

Background/minorcan't import enough illegal immigrants to keep up with the supply and demand of what we need in the country so Rachel before you get further into this do you want to ask everyone who identifies as a

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)feminist oh yeah let's go around the table who's a feminist you are start I identify as a feminist in in my beliefs that feminism

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)to me is just equality I believe in equality for men and women okay that's just how do we have equality if the men have to enforce women's rights on their

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)behalf if the men have to allow us if the men go we bestow upon you and gift you this equality is that equal wait let let everybody answer first okay sorry

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Brian I can't run your show I'm not I can't be Brian only one person can be Brian umist are you feminist I would say

McKenziebased off like the definition of it or I okay I honestly don't know like textbook definition so don't like quote me on anything but I think the way that it is now and based off a lot of feminists that I've met I would say no just cuz I don't agree with what a lot of they

McKenzieagree with but like I think like Baseline I think everyone believes in equality as like a general thing like I don't think that's like a crazy thing to want so but I wouldn't consider myself

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)feminist yes I am a first W feminist I believe that women should have the right to vote and oh good we can get into that those principles that came with that and then

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)the second wave in the 70s I I think that has been more detrimental okay what do you think my name is leonarda and I'm recovering from

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)feminism it's been 4 years 7 months and 32 days since I've Tak a drink of equality okay what about Riley I am not

Gaanaa feminist okay I'm shocked what I would consider consider myself I not just cuz I agree and disagree with a couple of things but I

Nicoledon't have much knowledge on it that topic okay yeah I think what you said was perfect I feel that exact way I like to call myself a feminist but a lot of

Nicolethe things that um feminists believe I mean again there are so many different people call themselves feminists there's not really a one thing where someone

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)says I'm a feminist and they all agree so okay that's true so what if I defined it this way what if my definition was anything that that is oppositional to

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)patriarchy and patriarchy just means rule by the father it means the father's the head of the household men run the government men run the church patriarchy right what would you would you change

Carlywould anyone change their answer if I defined it that way is anybody here like against patriarchy for patriarchy sounds like patriarchy led us into this cuz if if men are bestowing rights upon women

Carlymen at any time could take it back men are we we live under a natural patriarchy and yet this is the situation we're in that according to you you know we're not at replacement birth rates but it sounds like men did not do a very

Carlygood job leading us into a beneficial situation it sounds like they allowed a lot of pretty shitty things to happen I don't know I don't know if giving them the power is really such a good idea then well now let's get into this so do

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)you think that when I say patriarchy that means all men have all the same amount of power that Brian has the same amount of power as like Donald Trump or

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)no uh you know or is there hierarchy within the male sphere of patriarchy where there are certain people who have certain men who have more power than others well yeah I think there's always

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)going to be a hierarchy of power Okay so if you think there's always going to be a hierarchy of power how are you a Marxist I'm not really like a prescrip prescriptive Marxist but I am a mar I mean I think a lot of people don't

Carlyreally know what Marxism is they've never actually read Marx I'm a Marxist in the sense that I'm like a historical materialist and like when I think about things philosophically I tend to think about them dialectically but like in

Carlyterms of what I think the world should look like I wouldn't really say I'm like heelan I don't I don't want like a no I'm not a I'm not a hegan um but well if you if you're doing historical

Carlymaterialism and dialectics then you would be hegelian like by definition marks and Hegel did not have the same definition of like a what the dialectic is necessarily I I think there's some I don't we don't really need to get that

Carlymight be a little much for the podcast but I I think that um I don't necessarily think I want to live in like a classless stateless moneyless society so I wouldn't say I'm like a pres like

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)but you would say you think patriarchy is not valid you think there should be like women in positions of leadership or well I mean I'm saying that from your perspective it sounds like patriarchy

Carlyhas failed patriarchy failed us men have failed to utilize their power effectively and bring us into a birth rates are falling terrible things are happening women are running a muck being degenerates it sounds like men have

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)failed so maybe their time has time has come to get out of power I don't know well I think that they will take power back I think it's inevitable they kind of have to because this whole thing is kind of like a short-term illusion to me

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)like women don't have actual like natural rights in the way that we Define them in the west it's all just enabled by men now we talked a little bit about

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)which men and why uh it was generally like the really wealthy Elites who wanted why did they want this right why did they want women's Liberation they wanted it because they were the same folks who went to the Jackal Island Club

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)and drafted the Federal Reserve legislation they were the same people who had these giant factories and needed tons of cheap labor and couldn't import enough Chinese and and you know poor European immigrants at the time to fill

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)the factories so it' be really nice if you could get a bunch of women in there and some good cheap labor uh and it also gave them the opportunity to Institute the public education system which is

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)just an indoctrination Camp correct for them to them for the federal government to be able to why everybody's got to read and Frank's diary in third grade exactly you're saying the wrong men have been in

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)power the patriarchy has enabled the wrong men to come into power and lead us I think Psychopaths kind of almost always rise to the top history is basically just a story of a bunch of different Psychopathic criminal gangs

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)vying for power and right now the criminal gang that's been in power wants women's Liberation because it's a means to their ends so then I would say I

Carlydon't see how sorry it's okay feem I think that because patriarchy is inevitable that's why feminism is necessary there needs to be like a force of women pushing back in whatever way

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)they can against men's inevitable greater force and I think that if you have women that aren't pushing back then men are going to lead us into I mean but how are they pushing back by like

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)whining like extra loud whining exra crying but see I feel I feel like you're that's an that's anti-christian it's not because obviously Jesus highly Val I mean the first person

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)he appears to after the Resurrection was a woman so and and and and the fact that the the gospels Place such a high value on women for a for that day and age is I

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)mean it was groundbreaking it was nothing so they there is value for women Christi AB is there such a thing as Christian feminism can you be a

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Christian feminist I think you can be I think Christianity is in in of itself proom okay but that's different than it

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)being oppositional to patriarchy I don't think I can align Christianity with a ideology another ideology I don't think that I think that Christianity is above

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)and beyond it and but you know what Paul said about women being in the church right Paul talks about a woman should

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)not instruct men uhhuh he doesn't say that women should not instruct like there is Leverage

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)for a woman counseling a man I her and there in the Bible it's very clear that like a woman is only under the authority

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)of her husband not not all husband not all church right and the church I think I think there's and and here's another thing what's interesting is that the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Bible Acts and Luke and they or in all of his Epistles Paul frequently says you know like Priscilla Lydia he's he's noting he he actually went out like for

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Lydia he went out she was by the river she was she was a seller of purple cloth so he went out and and they had they were having a discussion an intellectual discussion and she became a huge uh

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)supporter of his ministry and and but were women in any in the Bible were they rulers of men were they priests no she was that's Jud she was a judge and a

Background/minorprophetes where where in the church yeah you go around the table and ask who is more oppressed men or women Nick sorry

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)sorry okay no female priests and Christian Christianity is a patriarchy period end of story they're L we literally have

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)Patriarchs just saying but go ahead just look up Deborah she was not a priest um she didn't have authority over judge she they gave her Authority she literally

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)told she told them to go into battle King she was subject to the king there was no King in the time of Judges you have your church history wrong you have your church history wrong the judges was the period before

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)King first king was Saul and the judge of period was before Saul so that's actually incorrect Deborah told the priests there were what to do there were priests at the time deah told yes there

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)were in the line of Levi and they went to war she told Barack to go and fight and he said I need you by my side and she said just so you know people are going to laugh at you cuz you have a woman with you leading like going out

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)leading before and he said I know and I'll do it and so you think that Christian women can rule men you think that Christian women should be in example of then what's your point because you do a lot of prattling but you don't ever get around to the damn

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)point as do you girl takes one to no one but here's the thing you so so so yes I think there is there are you asked if there was a Biblical example of a woman this is an

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)example example of asking if you want a woman should lead a man if there's example in the Bible I said there is I referenced Deborah and so do I think

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)women can lead churches I I I actually I do think I think that there is room for it my oh my God that's total heresy women cannot be priests they cannot be

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)pastors they can't be Bishops they can't be Patriarchs but is that religion or is that doct like is that is that scpt chur that Christ established Christ came to establish his church not leave you a book that is open to your interpretation

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)where you can go actually I can be a lady preacher I just finished my only fans and I'm saved now so I'm going to start the Church of me I'm going to be the PRI first of all just the fact that you referred to the Bible which is the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)inspired word of God as a book that you can interpret that is like that I think that's heretical but is it a book is it a book yes is it inspired by God yes

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)absolutely but can is inherent can inherent it is but can you interpret it individually on your own or Iration of the Holy Spirit oh and if if you think the Holy Spirit say the Holy Spirit

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)sound this for everybody who's watching at home and doesn't understand what's happening right now we are in the middle of the Schism I was going to say it's happening again this is the Orthodox versus the Protestants the Protestants

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)believe in Solo scriptura only the Bible and the Orthodox believe in the APO Apostolic succession that uh what the what's been handed down from the time of Jesus to the

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)apostles over the Bible know they're wrong is they have gay flags hanging off their churches and they have lady preachers and Women's Bible studies this from the woman who thought okay just saying she thought that judges came during the time of Kings so she

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)obviously doesn't know her church history that well but there were kings in the world at the time of judges in the Old Testament yes there were male who was the first king of Israel so um

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)do you guys use dating apps or What's happen I don't think that Nick and we can come back to the religious so I don't like dating apps because I've

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)never been on a dating app Christian M well I think the problem in Christian Mingle is the Protestants are going to go to war with the Orthodox no there's nothing wrong with the Orthodox I'm just saying I think that you need to have room for leverage you

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)need to have room for and I'm not saying leverage as in like I want to interpret it as I want to interpret it I'm just saying that like I think it's like Deborah obviously was a leader and she was a woman so I the fact that that

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)example is in the Bible which is the inspired word of God means that obviously there is room for female leadership within the church now what that looks like whether the okay just no absolutely not never you should cover

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)your head and you should be quiet and you should not ever have a role of leadership now if you have a limited situation where like maybe you need this woman to go over here and minister to some children because there isn't a

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)deacon or something and it's a a certain situation maybe but as a general rule absolutely not women are not to lead or teach in the church it's very clear all throughout scripture and we have like

TTS/Chat reader4,000 years of history on donated $200 1 Timothy 2:12 but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to use her authority

TTS/Chat readerover the man but to be in silence brixon get your big Thumper back in your chair yeah brickson Brian with an ex we

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)just can't there's Miriam there I mean there's Esther so there there are examples ofad women who are in leader but I just don't know how you I'm not saying Deborah was a priest stop

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)saying that I'm saying that cuz I'm not saying that what's your point I'm saying that obviously there's room lady did something important shut up and let me speak obviously I'm saying that there's room I would just like to point out that

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)she showed everybody her butt so they know what they're getting on only fans okay that was very that was in my chair that was very smooth I got to say I got to say that was slick I was trying to figure out how to show my butt without

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)making it obvious and I wish I thought of that cuz everybody on the internet wants to see my butt you know what I would like to apologize because that was rude and the Holy Spirit is convicting

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)me the holy spirit is convicting me so I apologize what is that apology accepted but you're still wrong I apologize for being R you're back now you see what

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)happens when a man leaves the table Mayhem may leave you guys Al absolute chaos I got a couple things here first off put your swords away for a second here

Brian Atlasokay I do have to make one thing apparently Le I was gone while you said this Leonardo you said something about Mexicans disavow he doesn't know what it was but I don't know I I just saw the chat was

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)like whoa she's racist the views expressed by the panelist and by panelist on I me if anybody took 5 minutes to look at my Twitter you would know I was racist and this wouldn't be surprising to any you're comedian though

Brian Atlasyou're joking anyway she's joking guys everything I say is a joke don't take any of take she's a literally she is literally a you're literally you're literally listening to a woman on the

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)internet like come on let's not go too far now but uh disavow I disavow as what did I say I said we should give them jobs I didn't say we should Deport them all have to repeat it because that plan

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)has been shun it should be number one but if because we're not going to do that let's let him work what's the problem what's the problem wait are you from you're from the East Coast right I'm from New York I'm from the Bronx I was born and raised

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)I was I was raised I was born in Montenegro forget about it nice you ever been to uh what's it called uh White Plains oh yeah yeah oh yeah I got some family in in white PL you got some family in white PL maybe your family

Brian Atlasknows my family I don't know maybe uh we might be related we might know each other somewhere in some sort of way some kind of way there you go okay all right uh yeah guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow drop us a

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)prime sub if you have one Nick could you zoom in a little bit on this make it a little bigger here here's the thing what's happening I think every girl's blood sugar at the table is dropping at the moment and so we've got H you have Reese's Peanut Butter Cups which every girl in here is not going to eat in

Celeste X/Julia/Rachel Wilson (mixed)front of another girl because we don't want to be accused of being fat got accused of being fat by the super Chatters she's been eating a lot I just want to point out you've

Brian Atlasbeen you ate she can afford those your pot chip she's got titties and a little waste do you understand no I'm not Pat shaming no Pat shaming I'm just saying look we got chocolate back there we got

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)chips we got her chips we got Reese's Pieces we got applesauce this is why you're single anybody need app sace you need to have a steak back there that's how you that's how you get a woman

Leonardo/Julia (mixed)that's how you get a woman you have you lure her in with a steak and then she doesn't know what's happening let me read a couple chats God uh are high value men on dating apps

Brian Atlasthey seem like a trap to get men to spend hundreds of dollars are high value men on dating apps well I don't recommend being on a dating app I don't necessarily me think it means you're

Brian Atlashigh value or not if you are on one but I've met some high value men on a dating app dating apps aren't made for men you can find good people on there but it's like honestly it's a waste of time and it's pretty toxic get off the dating

Riley May Lewisapps get off the dating apps dating apps aren't made for men if you're a girl scrolling on Tinder like oh it's a W for well isn't W for girl not not not anymore no cuz if it's if you're a girl and you're scrolling on Tinder you're

Brian Atlasnot going to see a guy that's under you know a certain height I'll tell you why it's a w I'll tell you why it's a W for women because if men are seeking sex and women are seeking attention and

Brian Atlasvalidation at no other point in human history have mid average women been so [ __ ] validated as TW like since D all right that's enough of this personal

Brian Atlasattack it's true it's [ __ ] true like this if if y'all want attention and validation social media Instagram dating apps no it's so true these apps are these apps are made for women if you're a girl scrolling on Tinder you're not

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