EARTHQUAKE?! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch?! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! | Dating Talk #185
Date: 2024-08-07
Duration: 7h 59m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Vanessa / Charse(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lindsay(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_05Chrissy Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_08Riley Risa (singing)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Payton(guest)
SPEAKER_10Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bell(guest)
SPEAKER_12Riley Risa / Charse(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:47
IntroBell introduces herself as a witch/psychic from Santa Barbara, age 23. Explains baneful magic, hexes, love spells, and tarot services.
“hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara”
00:06:32
QuoteBell claims her first hex caused her ex-boyfriend (who allegedly assaulted her) to fall off a 3-story building, shattering 3 parts of his spine at 3am, 6 months after the hex.
“the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have like a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it”
00:17:17
OtherRiley Risa sings an original unreleased song ('I-4 Highway') live on the show.
“okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're the captain of the ship”
00:25:55
ControversyBell reveals she was sexually assaulted at 16 by an older boyfriend who got her blackout drunk. Describes a 6-year on/off toxic relationship (~30 cycles). Later cast a hex on him.
“he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship”
01:33:10
QuoteMorgan refuses to rate herself on the 1-10 scale, saying therapy has led her to see herself as a 10/10 and she won't let the podcast undo years of work.
“I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you”
01:56:09
Key MomentMorgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal to men because the Equal Rights Amendment hasn't passed. Andrew and Brian challenge this interpretation.
“constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constitutionally equal to men”
02:30:15
ControversyMorgan (flight attendant/feminist) rage quits mid-episode. Came in with 80+ pages of debate notes but left after being outmatched in the ERA/constitutional equality debate.
“I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you having contribution”
04:01:10
OtherA real earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara. Water glasses visibly shake; automated earthquake alert fires. Bell jokes she caused it with a hex.
“earthquake drop and cover seriously it earthquake detected drop cover you can see it in the water oh my gosh I can feel it”
07:26:00
QuoteVanessa reveals total body count ~150-200+: ~50-60 civilian partners plus ~100-200 professional adult film scenes. Earlier stated only ~20 scenes.
“probably 150 Maybe that's if we add up all the civilians yeah I'm including women too like I don't know”
07:31:00
QuoteBear vs man: Bell says she'd choose the man because she'd rather kill a man than harm a bear.
“I would rather kill a man than a bear I wouldn't want to harm an animal”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian intro/announcements at top.
00:03:47
Witchcraft & Psychic Discussion
Bell explains her witchcraft practice: baneful magic, hexes, love spells, tarot, psychic readings. Discussion of hex on ex-boyfriend. Childhood in strict Lutheran church.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how long single.
00:48:00
Flight Attendant Lifestyle Debate
Morgan (flight attendant) discusses dating while traveling, body count, promiscuity risk. Andrew and Brian debate whether flight attendant job is a red flag for men.
01:00:00
Male Preferences & Financial Status (Pew Research)
Debate whether men select women based on finances vs physical attractiveness. Pew Research data presented showing men prioritize beauty, women prioritize financial status.
01:29:30
Chrissy Clark's Engagement
Chrissy discusses getting married in 60 days; criticizes long American engagements; advocates for destination weddings.
01:31:30
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on a 1-10 scale. Morgan refuses citing therapy. Bell gives 10. Vanessa gives 6. Chrissy gives 3. Riley gives 8.
01:43:20
Hex on Ex-Boyfriend / Witchcraft Ethics
Extended debate on the ethics of casting hexes. Bell defends hexing her alleged assaulter. Andrew and others question the ethics and efficacy of witchcraft.
01:56:09
Feminism & Equal Rights Amendment Debate
Morgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal (ERA not passed). Andrew and Brian counter that existing amendments (14th, 19th, Equal Pay Act) already provide equality. Leads to Morgan's rage quit.
02:30:15
Morgan's Rage Quit
Morgan leaves the show, citing fatigue (up since 3am). Brian and Andrew characterize it as a rage quit after being outmatched in the ERA/feminism debate.
04:01:10
Earthquake During Show
A minor earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara (~241 min mark). Water glasses visibly shake. Bell jokingly claims credit via hex.
04:19:00
Single Motherhood & Child Outcomes
Andrew and Kayla discuss statistics on child outcomes in single-mother vs single-father households. Andrew argues step-fathers increase risk of abuse.
04:26:40
Dating & Hookup Stories
Riley shares hookup story about a man who asked her to roleplay as Helen Keller. Other guests share dating experiences.
07:24:00
Body Count Discussion
Body count round. Bell: ~30-40 (mostly women). Vanessa: 150-200+ (incl. professional scenes). Lindsay and Kayla: ~10. Chrissy: ~7 (husband said). Morgan declined.
07:31:00
Bear vs Man Question
Panel asked whether they'd rather be alone in a forest with a random man or random bear. Most chose man. Bell chose man because she'd rather kill a man than harm an animal.
Transcript
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05:40:51
Andrew Wilsoniated you can find an open how is it not iy to be sleeping with multiple people that seems pretty icky oh the off your
05:41:05
Belldecision I stated my opinion youe or disagree with it I'm not here to tell people what they should or shouldn't believe we have a chat from L paladins by the way the only advantage that younger women have is less baggage
05:41:17
Brian Atlasif I met an older woman with less baggage I'd love it you are disgusting because of your baggage not because of your age wi okay okay and then one sec hold on
05:41:29
Brian Atlasthere's two more coming in we have Giovani his account's going to be Dr uh Giovani Andrew is is witch's men man not a cuck if her man lets her bang other girls I guess I'm a feminist cuz I don't
05:41:41
Brian Atlasallow my chick to date smash anyone regardless of gender cuck is egalitarian yeah I don't think uh cuckoldry applies to
05:41:50
Andrew Wilsonfemales so the female can cuck a man but I don't think that men that would that wouldn't go with the the
05:42:00
Brian Atlasdistinction of the word it's is it different too when like um when both parties are allowed to do what no that's still
05:42:09
Brian AtlasCocker just put yeah so a man can be sleeping with other women so I'm sorry I got to redirect here I got to redirect so Leonardo DiCaprio refuses to date a woman hold on let me read this uh media
05:42:22
Brian Atlasgovernment and older women are grooming young women to hate age Gap relationships due to the collapsing economy prevent them from adopting conservative views plus old women are bad for long-term relationships that's from final way feminism thank you for
05:42:33
Brian Atlasyour message man really appreciate it thank you thank you we have lard Rio refuses to date a woman over 25 so this is his relationship history uh actually recently I think this is somewhat dated
05:42:44
Brian Atlashe just finally dated a 26-year-old wow big day for Leo good job Leo 50 he did it boys but as you see he he's not really when it comes to his
05:42:56
Brian Atlasrelation has not dated over 25 is this uh the question from the question was does Leonardo DiCaprio give you the ick a little bit okay good to know
05:43:07
Brian Atlaswe have Randon 25 their free paral cortex is all developed yeah I know I I still think that like I'm sorry I have to read this isn't this wit lady advocating for harming other individuals willingly
05:43:20
Brian Atlasthat's wild question for the panel how do we feel about this age Gap rule for men date half your age plus seven but you missed a Checkmate what do you mean she said it
05:43:28
Andrew Wilsonwas icky and she says but wait the the prefrontal cortex is developed at 26 and she still thinks it's icky he's 4 I
05:43:38
Andrew Wilsonthink it's considerably less icky oh but considerably less uh I think that you should be dating people your own age so why why does that matter I don't even
05:43:50
Brian Atlasknow why that would matter at all your boyfriend I think women should only date men old are you 23 I think women should only date men well they're not the same age that uh oh
05:44:01
Brian Atlasbut we're pretty close so women should only date men women seem to have a preference for men who are funny mhm despite their lack of humor themselves I
05:44:11
Brian Atlasthink uh it's icky that that women like aren't funny but they have this huge desire for dating funny men you're
05:44:21
Brian Atlasyou're in your from your purview you're only allowed to essentially desire traits in a partner that you yourself possess so you need to be yeah you need you're look it doesn't have to be like
05:44:33
Kaylathe same birthday it doesn't have what do you mean how's it not it's different than a personality trait you changed your birth date how is it not a trait
05:44:42
Kayladone yeah that's okay that's a you de decided to change your birthday identity was
05:44:56
Brian Atlasbrutal boom roasted um before I get into the I guess the grooming thing really quick so putting aside or even granting your arguments that it is Icky gross creepy predatory whatever can you
05:45:09
Brian Atlasactually make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man for why he should date for example a 35-year-old over a 25-year-old Assuming he's say 35
05:45:20
Bellhimself or 40 I don't think that there I I think there's more experience and I think um a lot of people want to date people that have that are at the same
05:45:31
Brian Atlaslevel as them and it's kind of a thing of like really yeah women don't I would say women don't I would I do not want to date an 18-year-old and like who who hold on the same level wait wait wait hold on the
05:45:43
SPEAKER_14same why am I doing a [ __ ] I don't know grin fuing
05:45:56
Brian Atlasokay okay hold on tell us tell us about the status of your boyfriend what do you mean you said he's a famous rapper who is he no no no look this is this is a little literally
05:46:08
Brian AtlasCheckmate but I'm a witch she's just been you just been check I can see check I'm talking about status wait wait you you say people should date on their level you're literally in a relationship with a guy who dwarfs your status you
05:46:21
Brian Atlashave no idea how you're predatory for pursuing a man you are predatory for pursuing a man more successful than you more money more clout more followers you said he's got millions of followers across social media he dwarfs your
05:46:33
Brian Atlassocial media status okay well you [ __ ] Cloud chased him you predatory clout Chaser he slid in my DMs right so wait a second wait so what okay if an
05:46:43
Bell18-year-old slides into my DMs I'm 35 no problem she slides into mym it's less creepy than a 30-year-old that's going out of their way to try and slide into 18-year-olds de bro there but there's such a power power dynamic in your
05:46:56
Bellrelationship what if he had slid in hang on hang on I'm sorry you wouldn't be dating him if he had slid into your DMs what do you mean wait you slid he slid into yours he slid in M yeah that's really predat now now this is predatory
05:47:08
Brian Atlasyour boyfriend is predatory because he has there's this huge power imbalance because he has more status he has a bigger following he's a he's a famous rapper rappers make a lot of money right and you don't have the same life
05:47:19
Brian Atlasexperience he's just and you're a witch literally he also practices witchcraft so why did you despite your views of like asymmetry in relationships being
05:47:30
Brian Atlaspredatory or creepy or icky why did you then choose to be in a relationship with him you have no I have a lot of lot of money too I have a lot of things going for me as well more than a rapper with
05:47:41
Brian Atlas1.2 million followers or whatever I want a extremely huge lawsuit extrem lawsuit you came into your money without very good Investments
05:47:52
Bellrolling um we both are we both are cont we both are content creators like and he's got more status than you what
05:48:01
Bellthere's asymmetry in your status sure that's conversations we've had it's and it was a red flag and from the gecko I didn't trust him from the gecko I did
05:48:12
Bellnot trust him from day one he had to build that trust with me I've never once said every single 30-year-old that goes after an 18-year-old is a creep I'm saying it's a red flag him being a rapper yeah kind of was
05:48:25
Bella red flag when we first met and here you are in a relationship with them because we connected oh and how about if a 19-year-old connects with a 30-year-old then that's fine but that's
05:48:36
Bellsomething that the 19y old should look out I'm okay you still think it's iy I think it's icky to purposely Target younger women as a 30-year-old man I
05:48:47
Andrew Wilsonthink that that's I no one disag that was what the comment was originally I disagre I still don't understand why that would be icky targets them for what a relationship because he thinks that
05:48:58
Bellthey're beautiful like what is the problem cuz I think a lot attracted to each other a lot of the time a 30-year-old who's going for an 18-year-old is because he can't get women his own age yeah actually wait can I I I'll make this argument really quick
05:49:11
Vanessa / Charseso if you're 22 then that means your preal CX isn't fully developed so then maybe you shouldn't be dating it wait hold on I'm dating someone who's my age so it's a very differentation I'm not
05:49:21
Brian Atlasdating developed yet to make that decision till your 26 and revisit it hold on so you're you do okay I just want to point this out so I would
05:49:31
Brian Atlasactually make the argument that a man who's 30 who's able to say regularly attract 18 19 20-year- old women is
05:49:40
Brian Atlasprobably really attractive to 30-year-old women because it's for you for you as a guy at 30 to be to get attraction from an 18 19 20 year old bro
05:49:53
Brian Atlasyou got to be bringing something to the table it's not these average 30 you think average 30-year old dudes they got they're bringing something to the table and if they're track if you're if you're
05:50:05
Brian Atlasa 30-year-old guy and you're attractive to 18 19 20y olds trust me you're attractive to 30-year-olds too I would say l it's harder as a third you think
05:50:16
Brian Atlasit's let me ask you a question is it easier as a 30-year-old man to pull like a bad 19-year-old or to pull a baddy 30-year-old which is harder I think it would be harder for them to pull a Badd
05:50:29
Bell30-year-old because I think the 19-year-old is going to be considerably more impressed because he has considerably more life experience than him she he more than likely has considerably more money than her because
05:50:40
Vanessa / Charsehe's been in a position where he can do that she's going to be a 19-year-old is going to be way easier to impress than a 30-year-old who's been around the block yeah 30-year-old who's more mature and has a free parental CeX who's developed
05:50:53
Belland can make those informed decision I would say you have a lot more experience than me this is which Oney h no it's okay it's okay I think I would say as a person who's gone through
05:51:05
Kaylathose ages that at 23 if somebody would have came to me who's 35 I would have said e cuz you're old but then at 30 I would have looked at that same person and been more attracted to them because I understand
05:51:17
TTS/Donationsmore of what they have to bring right ganic donated $200 Andrew can you give your logical reasons against age Gap relationships
05:51:28
Brian Atlasyou keep alluding to it last chat sorry for spamming yeah thank you Giovani no you can't give the enemy ammunition uh thank you GI appreciate the uh thing
05:51:40
Bellreally quick going back to but they're really good and they're not I would like to hear them I know I'm sure you would but any of them you got to give it cuz you're you said that
05:51:50
Andrew Wilsonyou's going femin you don't think it's but you don't think it's I so I'm like one day there's going to be a feminist on that side of the table and she's going to make compelling arguments she's going to back me in a corner and then
05:52:03
Andrew WilsonI'm going to just obliterate her with why age gaps are wrong wrong that day is not today well they are wrong okay right but you said that okay all right that
05:52:13
Bellday is not today so really quick for you you asked her the definition of grooming what's the your definition of grooming I think she worded it perfectly I really really liked how she worded it okay so you agree with her definition yeah I
05:52:26
Brian Atlasagree with the definition okay uh and then I think did we did we do this one oh we did uh we didn't really get an answer I think how
05:52:36
Brian Atlasyou guys feel about date half your age plus 7 as a benchmark for that's for the whole panel if anybody wants to I'm doing like the
05:52:45
Brian Atlasmental gymnastics right now mhm well I do have to move off of the AG oh last thing old no I'm good okay La so last thing on the age Gap thing yeah or
05:52:56
Brian Atlasno I already asked it I think I was just no I already asked like what would the what would the benefits be to the man for why you should date a 35-year-old over a
05:53:05
Bell25-year-old and you said more experience yeah and also often times you're probably going to have more money as a 30-year-old woman man or woman they're going to have
05:53:17
Brian Atlasmore money than an 18-year-old so I guess this brings us back a little bit to the conversation we're having with the flight attendant uh do you think men care send in a send in a champagne pop and then I'll tell you the Argent care
05:53:30
Belland that's and it's a good argument that's why I think women get in positions where they will go for a 30-year-old they will Overlook a lot of red flag because that man has an
05:53:39
Bellapartment he has a good job and a lot of 18-year-olds they're adults but they're not really wait but earlier in the conversation you said what are the benefits of dating an older man you've
05:53:51
Brian Atlasjust made the argument I've never said there wasn't benefits I think you said something along the lines of why would they date them what are the what are the benefits what they get from I don't understand why a 30-year-old would
05:54:02
Andrew Wilsonpurposely Target 18-year-olds I don't understand the benefit from that because they don't want a single mom and they don't want a bunch of [ __ ] trauma and they don't want a bunch of [ __ ] that's why okay there's plenty of
05:54:12
Andrew Wilson30-year-olds that are no PO the pool is ever shrinking as to how much baggage 30y brings to the table does this 30-year-old man also not have trauma uh
05:54:23
Bellsignificantly less generally okay yeah so don't you feel like that's something that should be discussed why do women have significantly more trauma than men
05:54:33
Bellwell I think this is exactly why saying women should defend themselves and women should prioritize their over everything well I also think that women
05:54:44
Belltend to overplay what is actually considered traumatic to them versus what is not I don't think that what's considered traumatic to me that's my experience and that's my definition and
05:54:55
Andrew Wilsonyou're not able to Define what some my truth it is because what I go through my trauma it's going to have an impact on me we CH impct on shall we challenge this and see if this is actually true
05:55:07
Andrew Wilsonguy breaks into a convenience store okay he breaks into a convenience store M while he's there there's a woman there and there's a clerk okay he goes over to
05:55:18
Andrew Wilsonthe woman and he just damn near bashes her head in and then s AER right there MH okay mhm while the guy's on the ground he doesn't see any of it mhm then
05:55:29
Andrew Wilsonhe also steals a candy bar mhm and she gets up and she says to the police I can't believe what he just did this is awful it's horrible and he goes yeah and he stole my Snickers bar that was
05:55:41
Andrew Wilsontraumatizing to me that he stole my [ __ ] Snickers bar just as traumatizing as what happened to you yeah I you can't you can't you're going to tell me you cannot make the
05:55:52
Andrew Wilsondistinction as to which one of them actually has more Trauma from this because it's internalized and it's subjective and so it's possible in your worldview that the guy who had the Snickers bar stolen is every bit as
05:56:05
Belltraumatized the woman who was just half beaten and essayed yeah I would say that there are people and do you think that rational people would agree with that where I think some people are able to handle a
05:56:17
Belllot more than other people and some people what they go through considerably hurts them more than other people then if that's the case that's a woman versus men I think that's a human then you're arguing against yourself so then my
05:56:27
Andrew Wilsonargument to you would be that women are a really tiny cup and that men are a big cup we have just as much trauma but we can just really [ __ ] deal with it I would highly disagree well you could maybe make that disagreement if you
05:56:41
Andrew Wilsonhadn't just gotten done telling me that trauma is just a subjective metric and if you steal my Snickers bar it's just like you getting essayed if I feel like
05:56:50
Bellit is I never said that if wait you didn't I never said it was the same well no it could be wait I'm sorry I think it's a weird hypothal I don't know why
05:57:00
Bellwe're like fantas about a woman getting brutal that fantasy how's that a fantasy I don't know I just don't have thoughts of that crossing my mind I think it's a weird he's talking specifically about
05:57:12
Andrew Wilsonsomebody being traumatized by one I think the hypo weird I can't respond it's weird it's weird Ticky say so anyway back to the hypothetical you do theorize that I could experience as much
05:57:25
Brian AtlasTrauma from that Snickers bar being stolen from me as this woman who got sa correct I don't know I'm not a therapist MH okay oh my gosh um I guess I guess last thing I feel like you did I don't
05:57:38
Brian Atlasknow if Shifting The Go post a little bit because initially you just said blanket statement age gaps are gross icky predatory whatever but now that you feel like it's a bit more defensible
05:57:48
Brian Atlasposition for you to say well it's not age gaps but it's when 30 or older year old men specifically Target 18yearold women you you've kind of shifted your
05:58:00
Brian Atlasposition to be you feel like that's a bit more defensible so I mean do you still take issue for example let's say a man has a dating app and in the dating app he sets his age range from he's 30
05:58:11
Brian Atlasfrom 18 to 35 do you have objections there he's not specifically targeting 18year olds but he may very well encounter match with 18-year-olds I
05:58:22
Brian Atlasthink that's less weird less weird but still weird yeah I just think it's weird when he's not specifically targeting them because he's set his age range think it's weird when they're
05:58:32
Bellnot okay but he set his age range from 18 to 35 so he's not specifically targeting 18year olds maybe wants toy I just don't I personally could not
05:58:43
Brian Atlasunderstand finding an 18-year-old attractive I do not find any 18-year-olds attractive I would wom typically don't like dating younger I'm bisexual I would say it's very different
05:58:55
Andrew Wilsonfor me and you still don't right you don't prefer to dat younger women no I would want to date a woman my age would make that special that you're bisexual how would that how would that even relate to this because I would say that
05:59:07
BellI have a different Viewpoint I think women a lot of women don't want to date younger men but that's like a very like that's like in a straight dynamic as a bisexual there's a lot of bisexual women
05:59:18
Andrew Wilsonthat I'm sure want to date younger women me personally as a bisexual woman I wouldn't want to date a woman then I don't even understand why this would apply because you can't speak to anybody
05:59:28
Bellelse's experience only your own right I can yeah and I can State my opinion and I can State and say that 18-year-old old should be on the lookout and if a 30-year-old's interested in you it's a
05:59:40
Bellred flag and that doesn't mean that he's a bad guy that doesn't mean you don't have to date him but it's a red flag and it's something you should keep an eye out is flag 25 and we come back to the
05:59:51
Bellargument yeah is that only a red flag in the straight World cuz you just said no I think it would be a red flag in any circumstance still icky man on man win on win I I I still think it would be
06:00:03
Bellgross either way and who do you know orientation has the widest AG Gap relationships oh I'm sure it's probably lesbians G men
06:00:13
Andrew Wilsonoh is that because you think they're predatory towards boys I don't know I I'm not a gay man so but you now suddenly you can't talk about anybody else's experience you have an opinion
06:00:26
Brian Atlasand you can State your opinion until it comes to this issue I just don't have an opinion on gay men oh the only thing you don't have an opinion on two chats here two chats
06:00:37
Brian Atlaspaladins remember experience is woman code for how many PE has she had in her mouth Brian does have a point it is
06:00:47
Brian Atlasharder to attract young women as an older man way easier at 30 than 40 and then he also says thank you L paladins appreciate [Laughter]
06:01:02
Brian Atlas[Music] it thank you bro he also says let me assure the witch as a 40-year-old man it's impossible to find a 30-year-old woman who doesn't have crazy amounts of baggage if I could I'd be supporting her
06:01:14
Brian Atlasinstead of supporting Brian um hey L palad he's like my internet boyfriend pretty much thank you man appreciate it um I'm like like sugar
06:01:24
Brian Atlashe's my sugar what the sorry sorry sorry sorry that Sugar bro I I uh disavow okay um but I mean so for example you said like as you get older you have more get
06:01:36
Brian Atlasmore experience right um and then I'll move it on after this I mean we had a the 31 31-year-old flight attendant there MH I mean you're younger than her and I mean credit to you you've been able to have these disagreements and
06:01:49
Brian Atlasconversations Without Really faltering at all I think you've actually made some good arguments uh you've maintained your composure um she completely floundered
06:01:58
Brian Atlasat one point started crying to Andrew had the kid gloves on with her Andrew had the kid he was treating her with kid glut so yeah it was sad and she
06:02:11
Brian Atlasshe was quit and she not only that she came in the most prepared of any of the women here had notes in front of her Mo we we've had that maybe three times we've
06:02:24
Brian Atlashad over a thousand guests most people don't bring notes whatever she had notes in front of her uh guns blazing guns blazing big old feminist big old feminists couldn't even she couldn't
06:02:36
Brian Atlasdespite her being a big old feminist could not even come up with one way in which mhm men have rights that women don't couldn't even come up with one um so
06:02:48
Brian Atlasit's not clear to me that her additional life experience has better prepared her for coming on this podcast whereas you're 23 uh so I don't I don't think age is necessarily going to be an
06:02:59
Brian Atlasindicator no of that's why I said it's not every single circumstance it's a red flag right but I would almost think like if a I know you're not inclined to to
06:03:09
Brian Atlasdate older men or whatever but like if a 33-year-old were to date you I would almost point out given her conduct here she did not seem particularly strong in her Constitution you could actually make
06:03:22
Brian Atlasthe argument that would it be more icky to date her at 31 than to date you for example at 23 given her instability in
06:03:32
Bellher I mean that was unstable that was unable don't want to like I will never speak negatively about another woman cuz I'm a girl's girl um but oh yeah
06:03:43
Andrew Wilsonright [ __ ] [ __ ] privately I never say anything about any other way I only heck someone you pay me to yeah go ahead go ahead and then I'll move it on come
06:03:55
Bellon I don't really like talking negatively about women but um she doesn't seem like she should be in a relationship with anyone right now cuz it seems like she has a lot of work on herself that she needs to do okay so I
06:04:06
Belldon't think she should be dating I don't yeah I actually do offer healing spells and self love spells she doona for we still have I will I'll do that for anyone who's on the podcast uh just DM me so we still have quite a few notes to
06:04:18
Brian Atlasget through I will we'll try to get through them quickly uh going back to Riley you said you agree with the show on most top we already kind of talked about on most topics except for abortion we already talked about that yeah we
06:04:31
Brian Atlasalready talked about that and I was already like kind of did you have your mind Changed by Andrew it's so I think so I have to think about it think about it as a yeah I think so
06:04:44
Andrew Wilsonshe did she did the M she did it she did it she did it mostly by from Chrissy credit where credit do I made the one Cy and run out she changed the mind she changed that was my one goal com also
06:04:55
Riley Risa / Charsethere was like a comment that kind of stumped me when they asked like oh if I would kill my disabled child no that was me oh no but a said it as well yeah you
06:05:07
Brian Atlasalso said it yes uh you you're you said that you're I think he's talking to you uh oh if you can just Scot to the table a little bit you said your ex is insane he also broke up with me the day oh we
06:05:18
Brian Atlasyeah we talked about that uh oh also one time he said to me if Japan is a day ahead of us why didn't they warn us about
06:05:27
Riley Risa / Charse9/11 yes he said that what work I I okay I don't know if I necessarily call call him insane but like he wasn't the brightest he wasn't
06:05:39
Bellthe sharpest tool in the shed he wasn't the brightest were there were there like red flags did he ever seem like weird FL or like there was lots of red flag of
06:05:49
Bellthe red flags I've ever heard in my life well okay but this wasn't was this the first date cuz wasn't there like first dat and then this was like 6 months and oh okay did you say that's not how that
06:06:01
Riley Risa / Charseworks yeah I I did well I laughed thought he was joking but uh going to Payton it's like a time
06:06:12
Vanessa / Charseportal oh I also posted if that was the case I'd be calling across the country all time I also posted a Tik Tok about that and the comments people were like
06:06:24
Riley Risa / Charseconfused I literally had to explain time zones to people in the comments it's it's hard out there and would you say that you had more of a female audience
06:06:33
Riley Risa / Charseum I think it's like you were on Tik Tok you were well no cuz mostly like I usually just promote my music on Tik Tok if it's Tik Tok it's mostly a female audience though yeah yeah so I'd say i'
06:06:46
Brian Atlassay so all right Peyton you said I'm interested in being on the show to rep the noral normal Suburban girl who had a somewhat promiscuous past nothing online but got my stuff together before it too
06:06:57
Brian Atlaslate yes I did say that oh that was sorry I was trying to like prompt you to continue with that yeah yeah like little
06:07:07
Paytonprompts well I feel like online the internet would have it portray that everybody hates each other right everything is so extreme either you know you're all into the tradwife movement or
06:07:19
Paytonyou're extremely feminist liberal you know there doesn't there's not it doesn't seem to me like there's a lot of normal which I feel like this panel in comparison to some other ones I've watched is a little bit more even kill
06:07:32
Paytonbut whenever I watch these shows I always think to myself that media our culture doesn't show a lot of you can't have your cake to you can't have it all
06:07:42
Paytonat all at one time but you can live a normal life I guess is just what I wanted to portray sure you said that uh
06:07:51
Paytonyou had a somewhat promiscuous past are you able to get into the degree to which your past was promiscuous yeah sure so my so I met my husband when I was 18 like I said in the very beginning hours
06:08:04
Paytonago it seems like now um and how old was he he was 22 I met and we were we started dating I just
06:08:16
PaytonI mean I was I hate to just stereotype 18-year-olds but I was just kind of a crazy 18-year-old like the whole nine yards like birth control hormonal just
06:08:25
Paytonjust all of it and just I picked all the fights I was very clingy um had no concept of God really at all at the time he broke up with me surprise surprise
06:08:37
Paytonbecause I was very unstable and he was also leaving the country so why would he trust me while he's gone right so he left the country for a while um like off to the military broke up with me over
06:08:50
Paytonphone call want to talk about getting I guess it wasn't ghosted but he basically called me up and was like we're done I'm not doing this with you anymore um no explanation no closure any of that blocked me the whole thing
06:09:02
Paytonand that was the period of time where I had a a little bit of a promiscuous um activity so just things like um casual dating a couple of one night stands
06:09:12
Paytonultimately I feel that it brought me um further away I mean looking back on it now it's always 2020 but It ultimately brought me further away from my ultimate
06:09:23
Paytongoal of wanting to have uh peace and a full family unit because I didn't have that growing up and I just kind of realized that all of those one night stands chipped away a little bit at my
06:09:35
PaytonSoul if you will I don't want to be dramatic but they I do believe that my soul was tied to those people I had to do a lot of spiritual work a lot of prayer to kind of move past that
06:09:47
Paytonum yeah what can I say after that so months pass we finally get into contact over you know just subliminal social media funny enough I posted a picture on
06:09:57
Paytonsocial media from Halloween and he saw it and slid in back into my DM so that's actually how we reconnected so I totally agree agree that women are that is how
06:10:07
Brian Atlaswomen advertise to kind of drop the prophetic or um proverbial handkerchief if you will uh you said also marriage should be a priority for women 20 to 30
06:10:19
Brian Atlasyes does the table agree with this table with thoughts on this really quick won't linger but should women prioritize marriage want to be married in your 30s
06:10:31
Chrissy Clarkthen you should prioritize dating to get married in your 20s you have to be Forward Thinking about this I'll add that too if marriage is something that you want which you know you could get to a point where it's too late you look back and you want to take it back and it
06:10:44
Paytonmight be hard to take it back if marriage is something that you do want then yeah I mean that should be your number one I mean outside of work should be if you want to have children that too yeah it's way easier for women to do
06:10:55
Andrew Wilsonwhen they're younger way harder when they're older which is why we're the one of the most developed countries in the entire world might be some other [ __ ] Sweden or [ __ ] you can point to but
06:11:07
Andrew Wilsonone of the most developed in the world and we have a really high mortality rate when it comes to women uh in childbirth which is very very strange the reason for that is because they're having kids
06:11:19
Andrew Wilsonin their 30s that's it that's why it's been on the incline that's why it's been going up because the age that women have children is going up you said modern feminism is a
06:11:30
Paytonlie yes so I've been referring that to my friends I have a lot of friends that are starting to get married and wake up and they're realizing wait I'm married now and you know he's this great guy and
06:11:41
Paytoneverything but I'm still working and now I have to still do all of the wely duties so I call that the LIE which is feminism you've been sold oh you guys are going to get in this relationship
06:11:53
Paytonit's all going to be equal you're all equal everything is interchangeable and then you get married and you at least I realize oh it's actually not he's still I'm so sorry dear he's still going to
06:12:04
Paytonleave stuff the dish like there's just stuff that I would attribute to mostly being male behavior that I kind of come in and compliment him in that way and I feel like a lot of my friends
06:12:16
Paytonspecifically the ones that are working still in the workforce feel very overwhelmed I guess by having to be it all you got to be the girl boss you have to be the wife you have to be the mother you have to do it
06:12:29
Bellall at one time so you're more like against like 50/50 relationships in general or is it am I against them yeah is that more of like that sounds like more like what you're speaking on I
06:12:40
Paytondon't know if I'm against them so much as I just think it just is kind of how the Dynamics work and I think feminism sells you can just work you can work your tail off and you can have it all and you're going to be this girl boss
06:12:52
Paytonand you're also going to be able to come home and be you know suzuku wife with the perfect hair and the at least that's how what I felt I was kind of sold okay I agree with you on that point you said
06:13:04
Brian Atlasuh women feel like they're drowning due to full-time work and caregiving mhm uh but moving on from that you said I agree with most of what Brian says though he's harsh on makeup also curious about this Myers
06:13:17
Brian AtlasBriggs type yes oh my gosh I would love to know you're Myers Briggs honestly I me and I so here's the interesting thing I took it I took it when I was 18 and I got
06:13:25
Brian Atlastyped as ENFP there is no way I'm ENFP so I haven't taken it since I'm probably is I think I'm like is
06:13:36
Brian AtlasT P or J would make sense I don't I don't know I really don't know anything uh you said he's harsh on makeup so what what specifically okay I do get do get that
06:13:48
Paytonwe'll pull that up in a sec go ahead that I get I know what you're about to pull up and I know that point that it can be incredibly deceptive however if women are supposed
06:13:58
Paytonto you know get guys based on our Beauty should we not do maybe some things here and there to enhance our beauty without being maybe fully on
06:14:10
Brian Atlasdeceptive you know is there a way to do makeup I guess that's not deceptive I mean wasn't but if it wasn't changing your appearance women wouldn't wear it like if it wasn't actually doing
06:14:22
Brian Atlassomething to alter how you look in some way that you perceive as improving how you look what would be like imagine if
06:14:31
Bellyou could just put on makeup but your face looked exactly the same would women do it no no no I don't think they would they would you're also like would you
06:14:44
Belldress better for a day as well too like someone who's wearing pants that are very unflattering to their body they're going to look more attractive if they just wear pants that are flattering to their body makeup naturally accentuates
06:14:56
Brian Atlaswhat's already there and brings out those beautiful features but there is a bit of an asymmetry there in that men typically don't wear makeup and if they did while there are some women who I
06:15:07
Brian Atlasguess might be okay with it I in love with her sure an outlier I would say most women would be severely like red flag turned
06:15:19
Brian Atlasoff this is not a masculine man this is a feminine man why is he wearing makeup why is he insecure um so it's there's an asymmetry there in terms of the means by which we can Elevate our physical
06:15:31
Bellappearance I think that like is very very different considering if you're asking a conservative woman what she's looking for in a relationship and what maybe more like a honestly I don't even
06:15:40
Brian Atlasthink liberal women want to date men with makeup a lot do I would disagree with that personally even liberal women seem to still want some of the more traditional aspects of masculinity all
06:15:53
Brian Atlasthey ever complain about on their Tik toks is how they can't find masculine men because they're liberals all these soy boys I want a guy to chivalry and I want a guy to pay for dates but I'm a [ __ ] I don't think a man putting on
06:16:04
Belleyeliner makes s makes him less of a man I don't think that I don't understand how putting on eyeliner makes you less or more of a man I don't think that it has an impact on you like that
06:16:16
Bellespecially CU considering back in the day men used to wear heels men used to wear dresses well they didn't wear heels but they wore lifts that's true no heels were yeah heels were they were lifts
06:16:26
Bellinvented mhm for men yeah for lifts society and makeup was primarily used but I I want to be careful about Lotus language right
06:16:36
Andrew Wilsonbecause no they didn't have heels heels is a invention a recent invention to accentuate women's legs okay that's what a heel is and the shoe shape and Contour
06:16:47
Andrew Wilsonis designed for that no men weren't wearing heels they were wearing lifted shoes the reason progressives call them heels is because they want it to seem like it was gender neutral wasn't gender
06:17:00
Bellneutral I would say that's like pretty equivalent to women wearing platforms though platforms I would consider like platforms to be more effeminate um same with dresses like in skirts we've seen all throughout history men have worn
06:17:11
Andrew Wilsonskirts men have worn dresses so here's the thing certain cultur when you have a technology for and I I would consider dress even technology forms of
06:17:22
Andrew Wilsontechnology I can understand why a kilt or something like this uh depending on the type of environment that you're in the type of culture that you're in you can say these are more masculine or more
06:17:32
Andrew Wilsonfeminine okay that's fine to say but inside of the cultural norms that you find yourself in right this second that is not the case and so when we associate masculinity and femininity to
06:17:44
Andrew Wilsonthings why you could say things like culture uh have social constructs in them for those things that may be true but it does seem like men do gravitate
06:17:53
Andrew Wilsontowards things which suit masculine outside of just the social construction aspects of this so yeah I can just kind of Grant yeah sure there's always been men who have worn makeup in fact I liked
06:18:06
Andrew Wilsonwatching Glam bands I thought they sounded awesome like watching rock stars they're wearing makeup all the time news anchors are wearing makeup all the time that's true but it doesn't seem like there's a huge preference from women to
06:18:19
Bellhave men around who are wearing makeup because it's not perceived as being masculine yeah I would also say there's not like a huge preference for traditional men I I would say they probably wouldn't go for women who dress
06:18:30
Belllike me either um I think the way you present yourself is going to attract people who you know totally agree you know yeah totally agree the way I dress yeah you're sending out you're sending out a bad signal yeah I'm not going I'm
06:18:42
Bellnot trying to attract men like you and I don't mean that in any disrespect I'm trying to attract men like my partner because you know he's emo he loves wearing eyeliner he an emo rapper he
06:18:53
Andrew Wilsonokay he used to be Emo he's more like he he started with emo rap and now he's more like M okay but in any case what I'm saying a question what I'm saying is
06:19:04
Andrew Wilsonis like like let me give you let me give you an example of something that we would agree on would not be a social construction in a beauty standard between men and women I don't think you can point to a culture where men wanted
06:19:16
Andrew Wilsontheir women to have beards no no but definitely in almost all cultures it was considered masculine to have a beard yeah I also think um makeup's kind of different though
06:19:28
Andrew Wilsonbecause beard is if a woman is growing a beard it's a hormonal all I'm saying is that there
06:19:37
Bellgender soci construction map are constructed there's that aren't I would well I would assume that most men would find a woman with a beard unattractive because it shows that she has a severe
06:19:49
Bellhormonal imbalance and if we just go back to Evolution men and women are going to go for a healthy mate no one is going to go for a sickly looking mate I I'm willing I'm willing to even agree I just don't think it's really all that
06:20:02
Andrew Wilsonrelevant so when you're talking about make in the perception of society right fboys are what is associated with makeup not
06:20:12
Andrew Wilsonmasculinity in any way shape or form mhm and it's because so I would argue that you could perhaps make makeup even masculine from a socially constructed standpoint if it wasn't for all the
06:20:24
Andrew Wilsonfeminine men who wore it instead of the masculine men who wore it he's like very very masculine I'm not saying your particular instance that you don't have the the most masculine guideliner
06:20:36
Bellwearing guy on planet Earth I'm saying that most of the dudes who are out there wearing guyliner are fanboys sure but there's also a lot of Grudge makeup there's also there's a lot of different like subcategories when you come to men
06:20:49
Brian Atlaswearing makeup I just don't think what we talk about Normie people though like yeah okay goth people are going to want to date other goth people MH it's not really like so it doesn't really do
06:21:01
Brian Atlasanything to rebut the general statement that generally speaking it's deceptive like well that women would not find men who wear makeup
06:21:12
Brian Atlasattractive or they might even if the man even if the man is attractive absent makeup if he were to wear it she would perhaps question this is a bit strange I got I
06:21:24
Andrew Wilsongot something I got to ask though oh this is going to be brutal I wonder if I should even ask it to Brian but I have to Brian do you ever wear makeup on camera huh do you ever wear makeup on camera what do you mean do you ever wear makeup
06:21:36
Andrew Wilsonon camera like powder your face or anything like that ever you've never done it a lot of actors do never never not translucent nothing you you think that it's not masculine to do what do
06:21:46
Andrew Wilsonyou mean like if if if people do before they get on camera actors anchors things like that if they put on makeup what do you mean do you think that it's not masculine for men who put on makeup in those roles where are you going I'm not
06:22:00
Brian Atlassure I'm just asking if you think it's if it's masculine or not I'm not sure I want to I don't know what this has to do with anything well is it or isn't it why are you asking I don't know I feel like I'm
06:22:10
Lindsaywalk into a trap or something bro difference stage makeup and everyday wearing makeup totally different cuz like you're going to have
06:22:20
Lindsayyour actors in your plays and your rockar but if the objection is deception yeah but that's like character right like yeah but that's the it's still a deception right like you don't want you don't want your news anchors to look
06:22:34
Lindsayugly right nobody wants to watch soak up the oil and yeah I don't know I've never I've never I've never about the makeup thing it's never been a thing for me but I
06:22:45
Brian Atlasknow that there's men who are way into this idea of no makeup on women so okay so anyways moving back to the makeup
06:22:53
Paytonthing from you harsh on makeup um so you were saying that well why what was your thing me yeah oh if women if we are a
06:23:04
Brian Atlasacting men based on our appearance shouldn't we do what we can to enhance that appearance and maybe not deceptively yeah so I think you said something along the lines of okay
06:23:19
Brian Atlasso if men care so much about makeup then or sorry if men care so much about physical appearance what is wrong with us trying to improve by wearing makeup
06:23:32
Paytonright especially if it's not you know super permanent augmentation if you get to know this female and you are intending to marry her you will inevitably see her without makeup but I mean couldn't you just make
06:23:43
Brian Atlasthe argument like okay well women really care about a man's wealth or status so well it's okay for a man to to lie about his job or occupation because women
06:23:53
Brian Atlasreally care about this in an effort to get women more attracted or attracted period to them there's Justified reason for a man to who works at McDonald's to
06:24:03
Belljust say well I'm a lawyer logically that makes sense isn't that very different cuz if you see a woman with eyeliner do you just assume that she always has black lines on her eyes
06:24:15
Andrew Wilsonyou wouldn't assume that but if you're lying about your job why would I assume that you're lying about your job the reason that this is gendered with makeup what I was getting into the reason that
06:24:25
Andrew Wilsonit actually is is because women wear makeup to make themselves look younger that's why they wear it and because the the reason that they want to make themselves look younger usually is
06:24:37
Andrew Wilsonbecause that's a status for attraction is that you look younger that's what makes you more attractive even women seem to think so with other women when they judge each other's makeup right you
06:24:47
Andrew Wilsonlook so beautiful you look so vibrant you're glowing all yeah this is all signs of Youth right and I've never seen a woman in other words do her makeup to
06:24:58
Andrew Wilsonmake herself look older ever they always make do their makeup to make themselves look younger and that that's why it's actually gendered is because um we men
06:25:09
Andrew Wilsoncare again about Youth and beauty of women they don't really give a [ __ ] about that with us mhm so when you're talking about the deception the deception of makeup to verbalize why I
06:25:21
Andrew Wilsonthink Brian and many men like him object to it is because they feel like women are deceiving people about what they actually look like what their real age is what their real youthful appearance is so they feel like they're getting
06:25:32
Bellhornswaggled I I just think it's very obvious when a woman has a high amount of makeup and I think you obviously know she's not going to look like that when she takes her makeup really no let me
06:25:43
Andrew Wilsonyou should see this cool video that we can show you right now because uh no they I've seen women wipe a whole different face off yeah Nick do you
06:25:54
Brian Atlaswearing a lot of makeup what about what about this makeup is not lie it just accentuates your natural features doesn't even look like the same person looks like a dude it also but
06:26:07
Bellalso she's posing very very differently in the I do think that's a factor but it's like it's I mean she does look a lot hotter in the right I'm not going to what do you mean different it's it's
06:26:18
Belllike you expect people to be in the ex because it looks like in that one she posed there's also lighting that's a factor in that one and this one it looks like it was like a screenshot Tak added to lips her eye her eyebrows every her
06:26:31
Brian Atlaslashes everything is different same angle her face is tilted the same way I like I said I said on the right she looks more attractive I'm not going to dispute that
06:26:42
Bellwhich one looks older um I think they look the same age they look the same AG if you're asking me personally I think they look the same age um do you
06:26:51
Andrew Wilsonlike do you usually associate baldness with youth baldness mhm no no no but usually associate that with age yeah yeah same thing what about lines under
06:27:03
Andrew Wilsonthe eyes you usually associate that with youth or age yeah you associate lines under the eyes sagging eyes wrinkles you associate those things with age overall yes okay so then why don't you take a look at that and tell me why the why she
06:27:16
Bellwasn't putting bags under her eyes why she wasn't adding wrinkles no it's because she was trying to make herself look younger well I think she just made herself look prettier I wouldn't necessarily I I know look old when I put
06:27:28
Bellon makeup I that's how they make it s like I I guess I just don't do that with makeup I don't put on I don't do super big wings to make myself have to you're still pretty you're still pretty young
06:27:39
Andrew Wilsonbut you can understand that women in their 40s there's tons and tons of wrinkle remover cream have you ever seen wrinkle Edition cream cuz I've never seen it never seen that [ __ ] ever cuz I
06:27:51
Andrew Wilsondon't I don't I mean maybe it exists in the abstract for some movie or something but I don't think you can go to a makeup counter and say can you give me the ad wrinkle cream I'd love to look older
06:28:02
Lindsayplease yeah no woman I'm 4 and my skin is ridiculous like the things that I do I mean you can ask my husband he's like why are you putting that [ __ ] on your moving things on here wrinkles right uh
06:28:15
Brian Atlasand then the last thing from you peyon you said dressing to attract the right man avoid fillers are you talking about face fillers yes I agree with that yeah agree okay agreed and then the dressing
06:28:27
Brian Atlasto the track the right person we already touched on that earlier you dress what you want to attract sure Vanessa you said you went on a first date with a guy who ended up just crying in your arms
06:28:37
Andrew Wilsonmost of the time yes did you did you consider that masculine or feminine feminine wait I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry into the mic I felt like a man in the
06:28:50
Brian Atlasmoment and this is why and I was the one driving probably not a not a great feeling probably no no probably not you said he begged you to go back to his
06:28:58
Brian Atlashotel room together to [ __ ] yes and ended up just
06:29:07
Brian Atlaswhat I don't know just funny that sh was funny the perfect couple I was like was funny
06:29:15
Vanessa / Charsebro did he cry during it oh I didn't do anything kidding is that why he was crying and you ended up he ended up just
06:29:25
Brian Atlascontinuing to cry once we got back to the room just to be with me forever that we would be the perfect and he was saying you guys would be the perfect yeah and what made it worse is he was my
06:29:37
Bellboss oh my gosh in the porn industry oh no this was politics oh my why was he crying just cuz he was so he's just like in love
06:29:48
Bellwith me I guess I was like I don't know what I did to you I'm so mean to you haircut was he got a haircut once and I was like yeah it looks fine he like no you think
06:30:01
Vanessa / CharseI'm ugly he was fine with that yeah interesting right okay just picturing a guy laying
06:30:13
Vanessa / Charsein your lap crying the whole time in politics yeah was he a Democrat were you guys
06:30:22
Brian Atlasrunning politics for Democrats no he wasn't Democrat no he was a democr RFK cried huh do you assume he's a Democrat cuz he cried yeah no she said it was a
06:30:38
Bellrepublican what's that he was a republican some guys have takes on like men who cry like do you think men shouldn't cry or like yeah I don't think men should cry Democrats be the everyone
06:30:50
Andrew Wilsonshould appropriate time for men to cry and that's when a family member dies maybe a dog I think that's really sad agreed I no not even at a birth of a child I wouldn't say hold on though I you don't think a birth of a child I
06:31:02
Brian Atlasthink you should maintain at theth of a child so I can't okay hold on AG she's she's already crying enough for the both of you you know I agree I agree
06:31:15
Brian Atlasokay you said uh why is it okay for men to sleep with as many people they want but suddenly it's terrible if a woman does the same yeah it's the same thing at the end of
06:31:25
Bellthe day she's got a point what do you mean like if you had sex with 100 people and I had sex with 100 people what different is it though
06:31:36
Brian Atlasit's the same thing you're both ran through and used the same rate well I guess it depends on how you're viewing it so in terms of like what the objection is to being
06:31:47
Brian Atlasraised for example there it is different and here's one way one way it's different is it's actually very easy for women to sleep with men so I think but I'm not sure if this is the objection
06:31:58
Brian Atlasthat you're raising for example why is it like a man is big uped if he's able to sleep with a lot of women but a woman is deemed a [ __ ] for example I'm not sure if that's your objection but I
06:32:09
Brian Atlasthink my statement of it's easy for women to sleep with a men it's rela comparatively harder for men to sleep with women I think that would defeat the objection there but I'm not sure if that's the objection you're
06:32:21
Bellraising kind of yeah but it's also different for me cuz my line of work yeah just if you can a little closer to the mic oh it's different for me cuz like my line of work like I'll work with like 10 different people a week and then
06:32:33
Belllike they're like oh like if I sleep with like someone else like that's like making up for you doing all that all week I'm like no it's not the same thing oh well that's a different conversation so now you're talking about
06:32:46
Brian Atlasjust a matter of well are you are you talking about so you're dating civilian men and they have an issue with you [ __ ] men on camera but then if they say well I should be able to [ __ ] other
06:32:57
Brian Atlascivilian women because you're [ __ ] men on camera you're saying no that's different yeah just so I I want to make sure I understand it's different cuz they're choosing but like I'm talking about like
06:33:09
Bellalso body counts like how you're choosing what do you mean like you want to choose who you want to sleep with and I'm not really I'm just working so choosing who you sleep with yeah but you're choosing porn like sleeping with
06:33:23
Andrew Wilsonthem and that's the weird wait that's the weirdest argument that I've ever heard so to get this right he's he's choosing but you're not choosing how are you not choosing here
06:33:34
Andrew Wilsonthe only difference is you're getting paid yeah yeah but hang on let her answer hang on how are you not choosing though like I'm not choosing who I'm working with I don't know but you are choosing the kind of work you're doing
06:33:46
Andrew Wilsonwhich you can Scot your which there's going to be a necessary entailment of the work you're doing you cannot do corn if you do not do corn right true so so
06:33:59
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't an entailment of doing corn mean that you're going to be sleeping with people so you I mean how are you not choosing that I guess it's just choosing on who you sleep with really like at the end of the day so then by
06:34:11
Andrew Wilsonthis logic if your man came to you and said to you listen I just want to let you know I am going to be sleeping with other women but my best friend's going to pick him for me I have no
06:34:23
Andrew Wilsonchoice would that make sense to you would you say sure sure why not I guess I don't know that's the same thing at the end of the day so as long as he just so as long as
06:34:34
Andrew Wilsonhe's not picking him but his best friend is no objection I guess I don't know but if he's picking him then you
06:34:42
Brian Atlasobject sure okay I don't know okay um yeah why why is it when a woman
06:34:52
Brian Atlassleeps with a bunch of men she's called a [ __ ] but when a guy does the same thing he's called
06:35:00
Andrew WilsonGay it's [ __ ] up man [ __ ] standards bro [ __ ] I still like that old key analogy the master key analogy that one's my favorite she doesn't like that
06:35:11
Bellone no no she doesn't like it well I just think it's equivalent to a pencil I wouldn't want to use a pencil that's been used over and over and over until
06:35:21
Bellit's dull and unusable I think that's the same thing as like the key argument the same cuz the key argument
06:35:31
Andrew Wilsonis like one one okay okay explain the key argument to me I'm not able I'm not able to verbalize so I'll explain the key argument explain the key argument yeah the key well it's not an argument
06:35:42
Andrew Wilsonright for one it's just like a funny thing to say but here's the key argument it works like this mhm it says a lock
06:35:50
Andrew Wilsonwhich can be opened with mini Keys is a shitty lock MH but a key which can open any lock is a master key mhm you
06:36:02
Brian Atlasgenuinely believe that no oh okay but I still think it's [ __ ] hilarious yeah yeah I just think it's [ __ ] hilarious I just think it's funny I mean I think I don't think this
06:36:14
Brian Atlaswas really her argument uh I think it's perhaps this double standard exists somewhat because again it's easy it's easy to get laid as
06:36:25
Bella woman not so easy as a man that's a so you're saying that men are easy when you say that statement you're saying that men are very very easy yeah they are that's crazy I just
06:36:37
Bellwanted to clarify that you dis do you disagree you don't think they're easy um yeah I would agree with your statement there I just didn't know if that was oh so why is a crazy
06:36:48
Bellstatement I just most men would disagree with that take I say no most men would most men would not say that they're easy most men would actually argue that women are easy you're hold on you're
06:36:58
Brian Atlasindividualizing this so um I think most men would be like is it easy for a woman who wants to [ __ ] a guy for the woman to [ __ ] the guy yeah most men would say
06:37:09
Brian Atlasyes yeah so men are easy but you're saying most men would not say that men are easy I what's what's hang on you're
06:37:19
Andrew Wilsontalking past each other what's meant by easy like just ease of sleeping with X yeah I mean sounds like it sounds like men so if that's the case I can guarantee you if that's what the