EARTHQUAKE?! Feminist RAGE QUIT! Hex Witch?! Andrew Wilson vs. Super Feminists! | Dating Talk #185
Date: 2024-08-07
Duration: 7h 59m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_02Vanessa / Charse(guest)
SPEAKER_03Lindsay(guest)
SPEAKER_04Kayla(guest)
SPEAKER_05Chrissy Clark(guest)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)
SPEAKER_08Riley Risa (singing)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Payton(guest)
SPEAKER_10Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_11Bell(guest)
SPEAKER_12Riley Risa / Charse(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:47
IntroBell introduces herself as a witch/psychic from Santa Barbara, age 23. Explains baneful magic, hexes, love spells, and tarot services.
“hi I'm I'm Bell uh I'm 23 I'm a witch and I live in Santa Barbara”
00:06:32
QuoteBell claims her first hex caused her ex-boyfriend (who allegedly assaulted her) to fall off a 3-story building, shattering 3 parts of his spine at 3am, 6 months after the hex.
“the first ever hex I did was on this guy who I have like a really traumatic pass with and I work with the number three so I wanted to send back three times the pain that caused me he fell off a three-story building shattered three parts of his spine at 3:00 in the morning about 6 months after I hacked uh cast it”
00:17:17
OtherRiley Risa sings an original unreleased song ('I-4 Highway') live on the show.
“okay if it's your way or the highway well I guess I'll take out for you're the captain of the ship”
00:25:55
ControversyBell reveals she was sexually assaulted at 16 by an older boyfriend who got her blackout drunk. Describes a 6-year on/off toxic relationship (~30 cycles). Later cast a hex on him.
“he essayed me multiple times and abused me multiple times it was a very toxic relationship”
01:33:10
QuoteMorgan refuses to rate herself on the 1-10 scale, saying therapy has led her to see herself as a 10/10 and she won't let the podcast undo years of work.
“I would give myself a 10 out of 10 okay yeah I went through a lot of therapy to get myself to where I feel like I'm a 10 out of 10 so I'm uh going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm not going to let a podcast undo years of therapy thank you”
01:56:09
Key MomentMorgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal to men because the Equal Rights Amendment hasn't passed. Andrew and Brian challenge this interpretation.
“constitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constitutionally equal to men”
02:30:15
ControversyMorgan (flight attendant/feminist) rage quits mid-episode. Came in with 80+ pages of debate notes but left after being outmatched in the ERA/constitutional equality debate.
“I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you having contribution”
04:01:10
OtherA real earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara. Water glasses visibly shake; automated earthquake alert fires. Bell jokes she caused it with a hex.
“earthquake drop and cover seriously it earthquake detected drop cover you can see it in the water oh my gosh I can feel it”
07:26:00
QuoteVanessa reveals total body count ~150-200+: ~50-60 civilian partners plus ~100-200 professional adult film scenes. Earlier stated only ~20 scenes.
“probably 150 Maybe that's if we add up all the civilians yeah I'm including women too like I don't know”
07:31:00
QuoteBear vs man: Bell says she'd choose the man because she'd rather kill a man than harm a bear.
“I would rather kill a man than a bear I wouldn't want to harm an animal”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions
Guests introduce name, age, location, occupation. Brian intro/announcements at top.
00:03:47
Witchcraft & Psychic Discussion
Bell explains her witchcraft practice: baneful magic, hexes, love spells, tarot, psychic readings. Discussion of hex on ex-boyfriend. Childhood in strict Lutheran church.
00:19:30
Relationship Status Round
All guests share current relationship status, longest relationship, and how long single.
00:48:00
Flight Attendant Lifestyle Debate
Morgan (flight attendant) discusses dating while traveling, body count, promiscuity risk. Andrew and Brian debate whether flight attendant job is a red flag for men.
01:00:00
Male Preferences & Financial Status (Pew Research)
Debate whether men select women based on finances vs physical attractiveness. Pew Research data presented showing men prioritize beauty, women prioritize financial status.
01:29:30
Chrissy Clark's Engagement
Chrissy discusses getting married in 60 days; criticizes long American engagements; advocates for destination weddings.
01:31:30
Self-Rating Round (Looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on a 1-10 scale. Morgan refuses citing therapy. Bell gives 10. Vanessa gives 6. Chrissy gives 3. Riley gives 8.
01:43:20
Hex on Ex-Boyfriend / Witchcraft Ethics
Extended debate on the ethics of casting hexes. Bell defends hexing her alleged assaulter. Andrew and others question the ethics and efficacy of witchcraft.
01:56:09
Feminism & Equal Rights Amendment Debate
Morgan argues women aren't constitutionally equal (ERA not passed). Andrew and Brian counter that existing amendments (14th, 19th, Equal Pay Act) already provide equality. Leads to Morgan's rage quit.
02:30:15
Morgan's Rage Quit
Morgan leaves the show, citing fatigue (up since 3am). Brian and Andrew characterize it as a rage quit after being outmatched in the ERA/feminism debate.
04:01:10
Earthquake During Show
A minor earthquake occurs during filming in Santa Barbara (~241 min mark). Water glasses visibly shake. Bell jokingly claims credit via hex.
04:19:00
Single Motherhood & Child Outcomes
Andrew and Kayla discuss statistics on child outcomes in single-mother vs single-father households. Andrew argues step-fathers increase risk of abuse.
04:26:40
Dating & Hookup Stories
Riley shares hookup story about a man who asked her to roleplay as Helen Keller. Other guests share dating experiences.
07:24:00
Body Count Discussion
Body count round. Bell: ~30-40 (mostly women). Vanessa: 150-200+ (incl. professional scenes). Lindsay and Kayla: ~10. Chrissy: ~7 (husband said). Morgan declined.
07:31:00
Bear vs Man Question
Panel asked whether they'd rather be alone in a forest with a random man or random bear. Most chose man. Bell chose man because she'd rather kill a man than harm an animal.
Transcript
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01:52:24
Andrew Wilsonthat people view that right why do they think these things why is it that your subjective preference actually may line up with other people's subjective preference far better um than we kind of
01:52:34
Andrew Wilsonpretend that it does right like well so you could say that everybody's preference for what they're attracted to is subjective I'd agree with that to a degree sure but I think that there might
01:52:46
Andrew Wilsonbe overlapping characteristics that most people are attracted to which would kind of take it away from just a subjective characteristic into a more well maybe there's reasons for this right like
01:52:58
Andrew Wilsonmaybe people prefer this body type because it gives a signal for childbearing or maybe maybe people prefer this because it gives a signal for that you know what I mean so the purpose of the conversation even in the
01:53:09
Andrew Wilsonrating system the rating system is not in and of itself to tell you um you know nope it's not true you're ugly the point
01:53:19
Andrew Wilsonof the rating system is to make a determination of whether or not you and your scale for what is or is not
01:53:27
Andrew Wilsonattractive matches up with what you see yourself as so that's all it is okay I mean it can still be something I don't want to participate in sure it can I'm
01:53:38
Andrew Wilsonnot saying it can't I'm just saying that the point of that conversation itself is to get at the root you know of this idea of why why is it that people make these kind of judgment evaluations on each
01:53:51
Andrew Wilsonother based on their looks then maybe that goes a little bit deeper than just because we're [ __ ] mean right maybe it's because uh there's some type of
01:54:00
Andrew Wilsonshared characteristics that we all enjoy when it comes to the opposite sex like for instance that would be the idea of tall right most when most women report that they want to date men who are
01:54:12
Andrew Wilsontaller than them well I mean I guess that's subjective right because it could be I only want one 2 in or 6 in or I want one 10 in but what's shared about
01:54:21
Andrew Wilsonit is that all want one taller so then we get into yeah but why is that what is the thing that is drawing them to taller men what would be the idea behind that
01:54:33
Andrew Wilsonand the more you you talk to women who have that shared subjective characteristic that they're after you can get towards the heart of these answers and so I think you do is I think you're actually shutting yourself down for no good reason because the
01:54:46
Andrew Wilsonconversation itself is not meant to be offensive it's meant to dive into this idea okay and so often I see people shut down and I think that they often do it because they have a negative self-image
01:54:59
Andrew Wilsonand they're saying I don't want to make the claim that I have a negative self-image and it's like yeah I guess but that's not really what the point of the question is to begin with you know what I
01:55:11
Brian Atlasmean well we'll uh we're going to move it on but we'll get we're going to get into your notes Morgan so uh you do describe yourself as a feminist you said in your notes and I um your notes here
01:55:23
Brian Atlasare these things you wanted to bring up or I mean they're just notes I took or just yeah notes for myself um because you you provided some but if there are any others that you that we don't have that you wanted to bring up we'd be
01:55:35
Brian Atlashappy to go into it you said please put me on the podcast I'm watching the live stream right now and I want to pull my hair out was that the Charlie Kirk episode okay you said you're a flight
01:55:46
Brian Atlasflight leave Chuck alone yeah he didn't you said that you're a you said you're flight attendant big big old feminist yeah and you said I promise I'll come in
01:55:57
Brian Atlasguns blazing yeah well you can't rage quit if you're going to come in guns blazing guns blazing you got to stay till the very end do I have to pretty much anyways you said you said women
01:56:09
Brian Atlasshouldn't be drafted because the Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been passed exact and women aren't con constitutionally excuse me equal to men yes um this is the stuff I wanted to
01:56:20
Brian Atlastalk about sure so why don't we dive into that so you your position is women shouldn't be drafted you're a feminist though I assume you believe in equality yes so how do you reconcile being a feminist and believing in in equality
01:56:32
Morganbut uh being in favor of inequality when it comes to selective service because um the Equal Rights Amendment has not yet passed so women are still not
01:56:43
Morganconstitutionally equal men so for that to if that passes draft me Daddy I'm ready to go so when you say women aren't constant constitutionally equal to men
01:56:54
Brian Atlasand the you mentioned the Equal Rights Amendment what do you mean the the Equal Rights Amendment well assume there's a panel here who has no idea what that is assume there's viewers here who have no
01:57:07
Morganidea what that is Equal Rights Amendment is actually let's have her [Laughter] answer wow I didn't think you wouldn't know what the Equal Rights Amendment is
01:57:18
Morgandid I say it's just that no it's just that you um it's it would be an m to the Constitution that you can't discriminate on the basis of sex you mean the 19th
01:57:27
MorganAmendment yeah no no no it would be the ra the Equal Rights Amendment you can't discriminate on the Bas the 19th amendment I don't know what the 19th amendment is do you want to tell me can you pull up the 19th Amendment so we can read
01:57:42
Brian Atlasit and but so this amendment it's not clear to me how CU you said So currently women aren't
01:57:52
Brian Atlasconstitutionally equal to men so I suppose where in the Constitution would it indicate or show that they're not equal to men you have the 19th Amendment no okay pull it
01:58:04
Andrew Wilsonup WR the citizens of the United States to vote should not be denyed or a bridge by the United States or by any state on account of sex Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation meaning you're
01:58:17
Andrew Wilsonequal to men when it comes to voting and if you're equal to men when it comes to voting then that means that you can elect whatever politician you want to enforce your will just like we can totally
01:58:27
Chrissy Clarkequal so so then why didn't the Equal Rights pass because it's not about equal rights it's about redefining the word woman it redefines the word woman from biological woman with XX chromosomes to
01:58:39
Andrew Wilsonanybody who wants to identify as a woman it is a change in the very definition of we we just have all agreed as a woman so so this this said there can be no
01:58:49
Andrew Wilsondiscrimination based upon sex there's only even if you think a person can whatever they identify as they are that thing even uh the advocates for uh
01:59:00
Andrew Wilsontransgenderism would not say that they're the sex of they would not say that they're the sex of so a transgender female is not going to say that they
01:59:10
Andrew Wilsonhave female genitalia so the descriptor here for sex would would work across the board for everybody transgender female wouldn't say that she is female genitalia they would not say that they
01:59:21
Andrew Wilsonare females by biologically she they would not say that they're bi that's correct would say there's only two Sexes there's only two there could only ever
01:59:30
Andrew Wilsonbe two one sex produces OVA with big large gametes the other one produces uh sperm which is small gametes okay yeah so there's only two because there's only
01:59:41
Andrew Wilsontwo there's only two reproductive pathway even the major transgender Advocates do not say that there's more than two Sexes they say that there's hundreds of genders okay
01:59:52
Andrew Wilsonbut there's still only two Sexes so that Amendment the 19th Amendment says based on sex which would cover every human being every human being who currently exists in the United States not a one that that would not cover cannot be
02:00:04
Chrissy Clarkdiscriminated against based on sex when it comes to voting did you read the Equal Rights Amendment yeah okay so then how was this confusing what do you mean like if you read the bill then you would realize
02:00:17
Chrissy Clarkthat like the point of the erra is not to amend the 19th Amendment but to pass legis ation to change the definition of woman so if you read it like yeah I'm for
02:00:26
Morganthat okay but that but why is women getting drafted contingent on whether you change the definition of women I just like you know I don't understand why that's a like why would that be a difficult thing to pass like if the ER
02:00:39
Morganis not a thing well that that's two separate issues is it but wasn't that a big topic that like phis Schley was all about like if the ra passes women are going to be drafted well it would it would open the door to them being
02:00:51
Andrew Wilsondrafted I suppose so your AR but your the thing is is the epitome of the straw man now right to create the arguments against people who never made them so I I so most certainly never made such an
02:01:03
Andrew Wilsonargument Brian most certainly never made such an argument the argument that we're making is very specific okay the argument is that if men can be drafted
02:01:14
Andrew Wilsonsure right and they can be and they're forced to sign up for Selective Service and they are or else there's huge penalties against against them yeah if you truly believed in egalitarianism why is it that you would
02:01:26
Morgannot demand the same thing from women because I I don't think it's enough I think that there needs to be more I think that if it truly was equal then the ER should have passed no problem and
02:01:36
Andrew WilsonI think that um would that have to do with women signing up though for the sex the biological sex of female who's allowed to vote why is it that the biological sex of female I think we're
02:01:48
TTS/Donationsgetting into a different topic I don't I don't think we are donated $200 even under her goofy concept of gender 2020 scus opinion Bost V Clayton
02:02:00
TTS/Donationsalready prohibits discrimination on the basis of orientation and gender identity quit playing wab be lawyer but we don't even have to we don't even have to get that far so pull up the 19th again the
02:02:13
Andrew Wilsoncitizen the right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or Abridged by the United States by any state on account of sex if that is true then no human being inside the
02:02:22
Andrew WilsonUnited States is going to not be able to vote period based on a sexual characteristic period okay so in your like so the the equal right okay hold on
02:02:35
Brian Atlasso we can get into the Equal Rights Amendment component of this but you said that women shouldn't be drafted because the Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been passed and women aren't constitutionally equal to men that's the
02:02:48
Brian Atlasthe second claim there is the claim that I want to investigate you said said women aren't constitutionally equal to men what can you articulate how well I like I found in my notes the er's
02:03:01
Morganequality of rights under the law shall not be denied or bridged by the us or by any state on the basis of sex I'm actually willing to go with this so yeah I'm actually willing to engage with this
02:03:12
Andrew Wilsonso you agree that this has to do with redefining what a woman is right yeah gotcha do you think currently that
02:03:22
Morgantransgender men have to sign up for Selective Service so are they assigned male or female at Birth they're assigned female at Birth and they uh transition
02:03:33
Morganto male yeah even before they reach 18 uh before they reached 18 if they're um fully transitioned then yeah I would I
02:03:44
Andrew Wilsonwould think so they don't okay they do not have to sign up for the Selective Service change then that you change okay so what you have just demonstrated is that even if we're talking about the
02:03:54
Andrew Wilsontrans agenda that trans men are also still not equal with trans women they're still not equal with trans women because they're men trans men are men wait hang on hang if that's true right then how come they don't have to sign up for
02:04:08
Andrew Wilsonselected service they should have to because they're men okay they should have to because they're men yes so then shouldn't trans women trans women should what shouldn't
02:04:18
Andrew Wilsontrans women right shouldn't they be exempt under this transwoman shouldn't have to sign up for yes even though they're biologically males no trans
02:04:29
Morganwomen are women biologically male trans women are women yeah but biologically they trans women are women yeah but you're not saying anything wom I don't you're not saying anything no I am I'm saying something biologically whatever
02:04:41
Andrew Wilsonthey're women okay got it so what you're saying here is that you think that trans men who are born female should have to hang on should have to sign up for the
02:04:52
Andrew Wilsondraft but that the ones who are assigned Man At Birth assigned male at Birth they should be exempt from the draft if they are transitioned to women
02:05:04
Morganidentify as women yes why do they have to transition why couldn't they just identify then they're women they're TR whatever point they are if they're a woman then they're a woman then it's
02:05:14
Andrew Wilsonequal great that it's equal between between all of it right because in this case then biologic men if they say they're women they don't have to get drafted sure throw that equal rights
02:05:26
Andrew Wilsonamendment up there and we're all equal and draft us all so I just want to make sure I get this right right now you agree that nobody
02:05:36
Andrew Wilsoncan be drafted no I mean nobody can be barred from voting on the basis of sex right do you think there's a third
02:05:43
Andrew Wilsonsex no there's I think that there are women and men there there's a third sex how many Sexes do you think there are I don't think that matters I think
02:05:56
Morganit matters how many Sexes do you think there are I think that this is like um do you know any transgender people yeah how many sexist do you think there are yeah yeah do you think that this isul to
02:06:06
Andrew Wilsontheir whether it's what okay let's assume for a second that I don't think that transgender people are don't understand that you can have a conversation about biological sex without going and un Al living
02:06:19
Morganthemselves I don't think no it's not about that it's that you set like a precedent where well you set a precedent of like you know violence where my friends don't
02:06:30
Morganfeel safe going to like their places of work or yeah but what would that have to do with with whether they're equal or not well when you're saying like when you have these arguments that like don't
02:06:42
Andrew Wilsonlike trans women are women trans men are men and when you break that down even if I say that nobody's going to dispute that there's only two Sexes if there's only two sexes the 19th Amendment says
02:06:53
Andrew Wilsonthat nobody can be denied the right to vote via sex so all those trans people can vote right okay so so then what what's the inequality issue here that's what I said so draft them all so so then
02:07:05
Morganyou think everybody should get drafted throw the Equal Rights Amendment up there because if everybody's equal then there should be no problem if we I you know what if there's no problem and if
02:07:16
Brian Atlaswe don't like we should have it then why why is it such a big deal I think this word will sum this up perfect perfectly redundancy
02:07:26
Brian Atlasso women already have at least it's my position are constitutionally equal to men so even if I don't think so okay but
02:07:37
Brian Atlasasking for what do we not get that you think we should get Bly autonomy okay we'll get into that we'll get we'll get into that but okay so it's my view though that you're saying well we don't have this bill that is named and called
02:07:51
Brian Atlasand the Equal Rights Amendment airo we don't have equal rights because a bill that is titled the Equal Rights Amendment was not passed but this bill and I'm not
02:08:03
Brian Atlassuper familiar with it I'm not entirely sure if it is a redundancy but the current state of affairs the 19th Amendment constitutionally women are equal but you made the claim women aren't
02:08:15
Brian Atlasconstitutionally equal so the burden is on you to articulate how women aren't constitutionally equal to men and you cannot point to a bill just by virtue of the title of the bill it not passing
02:08:27
Brian Atlasbeing evidence that women aren't constitutionally equal to men how is something called the Equal Rights Amendment not passing you can okay the the title of B the title of the bill is
02:08:39
Andrew Wilsonirrelevant do you think that do you think that North Korea is really a republic because it's called the Republic of North Korea okay it's a Communist dictatorship but it is called
02:08:50
Chrissy Clarkthe Republic of North Korea okay so that must be a republic then the inflation reduction Act only boosted in inflation okay I just but okay so the contents of a bill
02:09:03
Brian Atlasmight often times have nothing to do with the actual title okay so you did make the claim and women that's separate from the Equal Rights Amendment aren't
02:09:14
Brian Atlasconstitutionally equal to men so you're going to have to articulate how women aren't constitutionally equal to men I think that if they were then the Equal
02:09:26
MorganRights Amendment should have passed no problem that's all I have to say about the Equal Rights Amendment that's it that's all I have to say I can't articulate more than that that's my
02:09:34
Morganpoint and then I also think that um women would be able to have more bodily autonomy okay so we can we can get into that would you vote so that men couldn't
02:09:45
Andrew Wilsonvote on women's bodily autonomy men couldn't vote like I I'm I don't understand the cont it would be yes you would vote so that men couldn't vote on
02:09:55
Andrew Wilsonwomen portion yes I would vote that way okay right so that's the same reason that we vote that you don't have abortions but okay then there you go just like that if you would vote that we
02:10:08
Andrew Wilsoncouldn't tell you that you couldn't well that's a fair in a democracy that we could vote in a democracy to tell you you can't see sure well then I do think that's wrong and I so voting's wrong no
02:10:19
MorganI think that I should back track my statement because I think that um I think that everybody should have bodily autonomy so if you I guess if you want
02:10:30
Morganto vote for my right to not have control over my body I do think that's unfair well okay hold on you know we're I probably shouldn't vote for you D not going to allow you to weasel out of this
02:10:42
Brian Atlasso you can try to bring up abortion but that's a different conversation AR so you stated and women aren't constitutionally equal to men I don't
02:10:52
Brian Atlasthink we are how you you don't think so but that's what I'm asking that's what I'm trying convin hold on just let your answer it's okay I remain unconvinced
02:11:03
Morganso you don't think we are in what ways do you think you are not constitutionally equal I mean I I told you that I didn't think we were
02:11:14
Morganbecause the ra didn't pass oh can you give us an example that's the example I gave okay so if you don't like that one then that's fine you don't like it then move on but like a real time
02:11:25
Kaylaexample I gave you abortion wait wait wait wait may I may I cuz she's she explained what the bill was but you never gave your explanation to what this means so I keep wanting to know what
02:11:36
Kaylawhat do you mean this bill like what is it to you like what what was denied the right for Trans men to be trans women and all of us to be the same thing because that's how I that's how she
02:11:47
Kaylaexplained it is that it's to Universal like all of us to make trans women women that's what this bill is is that what it is I mean like the definition of feminism is like to me well not even to
02:11:58
Morganme it's literally the belief that women and men should be allowed to have the same rights which we do and I feel like the Equal Rights Amendment says that but isn't the 19th just for voting but what I'm asking like what does it so why
02:12:12
Andrew Wilsoncan't we have that for everything if the 19th is just for voting so actually hang on this is a great question and I would like to answer your question if you can name a single right a single right that
02:12:24
Andrew Wilsonyou think that this is not applicable to meaning men have it and women don't MERS you say that women can't do abortions neither can men okay I'm trying to think do you mind if I have
02:12:37
Vanessa / Charsesome time to think about it sure okay so wouldn't men be not as equal by not having a say in abortion as a woman
02:12:48
Lindsaydoes the man was there to make I mean it's both right I'm just asking while she thinking while she's thinking it's not a debate I'm just asking question pull up the
02:12:59
Brian Atlasuh scroll up in the sources the viewer count all right guys there's 10,000 people watching on YouTube wow big and
02:13:08
TTS/Donationsalmost 2,000 over there on Twitch if you're watching on YouTube oh ganic donated $200 ask her how she feels about violence against women acts h federal
02:13:21
TTS/Donationslaws in the US that increase penalties for violence against women but not men your thoughts are you going to be mad if I
02:13:31
Chrissy Clarkmake a generalization nope men are more violent than women it's not a generalization that's a data point that's faction one which one which I
02:13:41
Brian Atlasdispute by the way like the ipv rates yeah the the one directional ipv rates yeah well actually really quick on that I know it's kind of getting a little bit
02:13:51
Brian Atlasoff topic um so when it comes to romantic relationships what about this data point so if we're looking at uh homosexual relationships for example so
02:14:03
Brian Atlasyou have heterosexual relationships gay men and lesbian women they've actually found that o okay hold on sorry it's okay we can keep going okay we're fine we're fine
02:14:15
Brian Atlasum you're good sorry guys there's a little slip going um so gay men have the lowest incidence rate
02:14:26
Brian Atlasof domestic violence and then next up in terms of couplings you have heterosexual relationships and then the highest rate the highest incidence rate of domestic violence is actually in lesbian
02:14:37
Brian Atlasrelationships so what are your takes on that like how how do you reconcile that if men are more violent if men are more violent relationships that's not a but removing men from the picture entirely when
02:14:49
Brian Atlasthere's two women in a relation relationship together and two men in a relationship together the rates among gay men having domestic violence in those relationships is the lowest compared to both heterosexual
02:15:01
Brian Atlasrelationships and lesbian relationships and it's the highest in lesbian relationships even compared to heterosexual and homos uh gay male relationships I would almost argue that like it's unreported among gay male
02:15:15
Morganmales wouldn't it also be unreported incorrect data point lesbian women I just think it's no because I think that like women would be more likely to
02:15:25
Andrew Wilsonreport something like that and I think that of your list of fallacies did you write down the argument from incredulity no you did not write down the argum have
02:15:37
Andrew Wilsonthat one yeah it's not um it's not really an argument to say well I can't demonstrate this but I just think that X is probably sure okay that that's fair
02:15:49
Morganbut I also don't think that um equating what's happening in a relationship is the same as like what
02:15:58
Brian Atlaslike men being like more violent overall but the this was in context of the do like this domestic violence is is that what like the law is about the violence
02:16:10
Morganagainst women violence against women yeah so that's a domestic that's a law I believe it's about but don't you guys like stand on the point that men are stronger than women so like that has nothing to do violence mean they're more isn't that don't you
02:16:23
Andrew Wilsonwant to protect like women against doesn't make more violent just cuz you're strong I would think that is for instance there's going to be women who are stronger than other women right would you then infer that that would mean that women who are stronger than other women would just be more violent
02:16:35
Morganbecause they're stronger no but I think that there's a I think that testosterone makes men more violent okay but there's going to be higher rates of testosterone and stronger women than less strong
02:16:46
Andrew Wilsonwomen okay so I mean so if they would have more testosterone they would be more violent yeah you think that that testosterone is only going so so your inference is that testosterone equals
02:16:56
Brian Atlasviolence I think that it can yeah I think that there's uh okay so can estrogen estrogen estrogen's a [ __ ] yeah she's not really quick uh so okay
02:17:08
Brian Atlasguys really quick before we get back into it you have you had some time to think about the it was the what rights no so what rights do women have that men don't I'll give you a bit more time to think about it Nick can you pull up uh The View really quick guys there's
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Brian Atlas10,000 of you about 10,000 of you watching on YouTube 16 uh 1672 watching on Twitch go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow in a prime sub if you have one
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Brian Atlastwitch.tv/ Whatever drop us a follow in a prime sub if you have one it's been 1 minute since we last got a prime so I think uh it might have been like rebug since a minute ago uh so if you have a
02:17:44
Brian Atlasprime sub can you do a little test in the chat and uh thank you oh Brian is gross thank you appreciate it appreciate it Brian is gross uh app appreciate it thank you call me KY uh guys twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and a prime
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Brian Atlassub if you have one if you're watching on YouTube open up in the tab watching on Twitch just drop us a follow thank you guys appreciate it and then we do have a super chat here from Matthew
02:18:05
Brian Atlassorry Matthew Shrek oh can you hide that all right Matthew Shrek plain and simple are we equal or not should all people men women trans Etc be held up to
02:18:17
Brian Atlassame standards and responsibilities uh thank you Matthew sha are we equal or are we not I will concede on the fact that I
02:18:29
Morgancan't give you more evidence but I don't believe that we are equal right now so I apologize that I did not come more prepared well you can you don't need to articulate every single way in which you believe women are unequal I would like
02:18:42
Morganto hear maybe one or two though I don't know if that's too much of an ask I don't think that we are just in like societal ways uh but hold on I'm I don't know if this is considered a that's the
02:18:54
Brian Atlasthing is like Shifting the goal poost or M Bailey so what do you want because your original claim was not Society it was rights okay yeah and so you said
02:19:05
Brian Atlaswomen aren't constitutionally equal to men yeah and I think that's even different I think that's a higher threshold 19th let me just finish let me just finish I think aren't constitutionally equal to men is
02:19:17
Brian Atlasactually going to be a higher threshold for you to prove than just rights but so I'm I'm even willing to go down to just speaking about rights so what rights do men have that wom well maybe we could talk about like
02:19:29
Morganconstitutionally then cuz like I told you I don't I don't have the rights I'm not more prepared and I'm very sorry about that actually I shouldn't be sorry I'm just not more prepared but but it's
02:19:40
Brian Atlasyour claim okay so I mean that's what I'm saying is like I don't have that information that's a really massive claim to make that men have more rights didn't not say that I said they're not
02:19:52
Morganmen are not constit or women are not constitutionally equal to men I believe that because the ER is passed you disagree with that point but I've already I've I've tried to articulate that well I think that's I think that's
02:20:03
SPEAKER_14fair what about the ER what about the ra will make women and equal to men it passing yeah but what what just can I ask question wait wait can I
02:20:14
Brian Atlasask question if there was nothing if there was nothing in the bill and the title of the bill was purely Equal Rights Amendment and there's just nothing in wom are equal to men in the
02:20:25
MorganConstitution and that's all it said yeah great pass it that's what I'm saying but you're still not saying what you feel like you're and why it didn't pass like
02:20:37
Chrissy Clarkbecause it was political and the name does not mean that that is what is inside of it that's what this person was trying to bring up in the Super chat about the violence against women act actually not protecting women it's just a name if you're involved in politics if
02:20:50
Chrissy Clarkyou follow this for a long time you know that they pass these bills and they put these bills up solely that so Democrats can look at you if you're a Republican and say Republicans don't believe in equal rights for women and then people
02:21:01
Paytonbelieve it okay so don't believe it if the issue is societal to what is like just passing a bill going to do if
02:21:10
Morganit's like a societal Norm issue I think it just I think it starts at those like at those base levels yeah but how does that change your dayto day
02:21:21
Morganlife and I I actually have a question on this if the ER was passed what tangible changes would occur I think isn't it true that like if the ER passed Row
02:21:33
Brian Atlasversus Wade would have been protected more so what does that have to do with rights between men and women isn't that right to poly autonomy yeah men have no Reproductive Rights so it's not a it's you can't make this comparison men don't
02:21:46
Brian Atlashave a right to an abortion or they don't have a right to prevent women from getting an I don't know my dad had to sign off on my mom getting her tubes died this is a feminist Trope I hear
02:21:57
Brian Atlasabout I don't know it's a happen I don't know if there's actually any validity to doctors requiring a spouse to consent to these things perhaps in years past I don't I have no idea if this is still
02:22:09
Brian Atlascrazy it is more considerably harder to get your tubes tied than for a man to get though dad had to sign hold on wait that that has nothing to do with the consent of the
02:22:21
Bellgetting your tubes tied is a far more invasive procedure than the vasectomy mhm mhm to start there they do they do often ask about spouse they do often ask children and they do play that I've heard stories from men all over the
02:22:33
Andrew Wilsoncountry that when they went into get a visectomy that the doctor demanded that they come in and do counseling first with their wife before they they made the decision to have the visectomy I
02:22:44
Andrew Wilsondon't think that's correct well right so this is this is the thing I don't think that it's correct to say that your dad had to sign off on the tube tying either
02:22:55
MorganI'm saying that it happened but it shouldn't have it it should not I'm not sure that it did happen if we're just using incity going to call me a liar then I can just go around the table and call y'all Liars
02:23:07
Andrew Wilsonall night okay well so but that's that's why we don't use an argument from incredulity if you'd say to me I don't think what about an argument from experience I don't think that that happens if you say to me I don't think that happens what if it actually happen
02:23:19
Andrew Wilsonto me if it actually happens to you that's different but it didn't actually happen to you happen to someone else but for you to say I just simply don't think that that's true if that you can assert that then I just assert it about
02:23:31
Andrew Wilsoneverything you say yeah but I just don't think that that's true yeah but I just don't think that that's true right that's why you don't make assertions or claims unless you can either logically
02:23:42
Morgandemonstrate them empirically demonstrate them or in some way demonstrate them so the evidence do would you like me to like get the paper work or something that would be evidence I have to move it
02:23:53
Brian Atlasoff of the tube tying thing but back to this so back to this so if the ER was passed what would be the sort of tangible results when it came to the
02:24:05
Morganequality that women could expect to receive that they don't currently have that you can't articulate um I think that I said that um roow versus Wade
02:24:15
Brian Atlaswould have been more protected um that's not true well then I I I like I said this as the bill uh Chrissy do you know if if in the erra there has there's
02:24:27
Chrissy Clarkanything in there that has anything to do with abortion rights I think they're just referencing like making abortion legal at a federal level but that's not what R weight is that's
02:24:40
Brian Atlaswhat it is then yes abortion would be legal at a federal level thank you you're welcome so aside from abortion which it's not clear to me if that has
02:24:49
Brian Atlasreally anything to do with a comparative analysis of Rights between men and women can you give me anything else that would tangibly change if the erra was passed for women
02:25:04
Brian Atlasno okay so
02:25:09
Brian Atlasthen is that a Checkmate that's it yeah there's nowh to go with all right na Darkstar thank you for the gift to 10 Subs um yeah I'm a still a little confused I guess
02:25:25
Andrew Wilsonbut it's called an AFF you know what it's my own coined fallacy is called an argument from feelings you know what I can actually think of one way isn't it a bleeding heart
02:25:36
Andrew Wilsonliberal well I mean look I've debated with a lot of liberals and a lot of progressives there's a lot of smart liberals there's a lot of smart progressiv don't make arguments from their feelings okay and they're brutal
02:25:48
Andrew Wilsonto have drag out debates with they're super smart they're really well informed that is not what this was okay I can actually think of one right that men
02:25:59
Brian Atlashave that women don't although this is uh geographically specific because in some jurisdictions it actually is allowed but uh men can go out into
02:26:08
Brian Atlaspublic shirtless and in some areas women can't okay aside from that and again it's Juris jurisdiction specific and some municipalities and cities women can
02:26:21
Andrew Wilsongo shortless can't really think of really any right that men have that women don't okay but no that would even be a wrong example because that wouldn't be a right
02:26:34
Andrew Wilsonthat would just go to the federal government not saying whether or not people can walk around nude or not leaving it up in the 10th Amendment to the states so the states allow their municipalities to govern themselves some municipalities say that women can do
02:26:45
Andrew Wilsonthis some don't still wouldn't have anything to do with a right well in some municipalities women wouldn't have the right that's not a right though that's just a that's
02:26:56
Andrew Wilsonordinance right so at this case in this case this it's left up to the States but there's no rights which are being actually violated but I mean if it's pushed back to municipalities in the states and overwhelmingly most
02:27:09
Brian Atlasmunicipalities and jurisdictions preclude women from going topless wouldn't it I mean effectively in practice no it would be like a stop sign law it would be like uh it would just be
02:27:20
Andrew Wilsona law like this it would be uh you got to wear shoes uh or no shirt no service or something like that it would be an ordinance that would not be a right well in any case there's no in other words there no right defined that men can walk
02:27:32
Andrew Wilsonaround with their shirt off there's no right defined that women cannot walk around with their shirt off there's local ordinances which prevent this these aren't inalienable rights there's no inalienable right to walk around nude
02:27:44
Brian Atlasright yeah and and further just I mean the are you familiar with the legal term di Minimus mhm so it's such a m I would consider it a fairly minor at least in the scale of what T when people
02:27:56
Andrew Wilsontypically have conversations about rights this one would occur to me to be fa care anyway you think that if they wanted to pass a constitutional amendment that women could walk around topl less and any [ __ ] men would object
02:28:08
Andrew Wilsonno nobody's going to object to it they're not objecting that and there's no women out there advocating for that so it's like even that would just be a really poor example ultimately we have Brian rookard women are already
02:28:20
Brian Atlasprotected the 14th Amendment already provides equal protection married women's property Acts were passed in 18 excuse me 1839 and then thereafter Equal Pay Act passed in 1963 Fair Housing Act prevents
02:28:32
Andrew Wilsondiscrimination and housing on basis of sex so so this is like thank you Brian good name when you're thinking about immutable characteristics basically the law at the
02:28:43
Andrew WilsonConstitutional level has been completely changed so that people with immutable characteristics are protected via those immutable characteristics be sex that's uh race all of that right and gender now
02:28:55
Andrew Wilsonbecause of both stocks yeah these are things that are unchanging so well I except maybe that one but actually immutable right and you can't change them the Constitution has compensated for all of those so nobody is you're not
02:29:08
Andrew Wilsonallowed to you can't say can't vote because you're black can't say can't vote because you're white can't say can't vote because you're female can't say you can can't vote because you're male can't tell you can't own a gun cuz you're black can't tell you can't own a gun cuz you're white can't tell you you
02:29:19
Brian Atlascan't have freedom of because of these things so all of these across across the board it's protected yeah two chats here coming in we have Giovani C based blonde
02:29:29
Brian Atlasblue shirt bonus points for not butchering your baby God bless all right thank you Giovani
02:29:37
Brian Atlasappreciate it and then we do have SS Salwa coming in thank you uh thank you man for the
02:29:48
Brian AtlasTTS or no the TTS the streamlabs message howdy longtime listener firsttime donator hey thank you man really appreciate it welcome welcome why do all the trouble guests sit in that spot question for the panel if Christianity were true would you become a Christian
02:30:02
Morganare you able to scoot into the table just a little bit Yeah so uh what's the question can I let me say this really quick I have obviously bitten off more than I can do um no you're good no no oh
02:30:14
Brian Atlasyou're doing great don't worry about it you're Legend You're Legend Coming you came in guns blazing you're doing great tried no I really do appreciate the opportunity to be here wait we got to get through at least all your notes hold
02:30:25
Brian Atlason hold on just stay for to we'll get through your not I will Fast Track can boo oh yeah I'm leaving the booze that's for you guys no I really appreciate you
02:30:35
Morganhaving contribution yeah I appreciate let me at least Fast Track you got to go because can this be a respectful quit like thank you for everything wait wait
02:30:46
Morganyou can't just leave I'm not don't I'm not crying I'm tired that's why tired yeah I've been up since like 3: in the morning okay but at least look you provided the law notes tell you what keeping me I'm getting emot hold on I
02:30:57
Brian Atlaswill Fast has been really great listen but at least he hear the offer you got at least hear the offer I will Fast Track I will Fast Track your notes I
02:31:08
Brian Atlaswill Fast you said it was a rage quit it's not I think it was a rage quit thank you so much I think it was a rage quit I think uh you can't defend your your world view you can't defend your worldview I think you're a coward to be honest I think it's cowardly for you to
02:31:21
Brian Atlasquit because you've been absolutely demolished by Andrew but but leave the booze you did a great job Andrew thank you have a nice day thanks you're not going to defend all your other things
02:31:34
Brian Atlashere when you become a conservative snowflake imagine she left the booze total I mean I typically wouldn't revert to uh oh yeah the notes would
02:31:44
Vanessa / Charsehave been cool yeah there was like 80 of them 80 pages of them we didn't yeah leave the notes at least leave the notes so we can look at
02:31:54
Vanessa / Charsethem um look I mean she provided a lot of not when liberals get angry and get called out I mean this I mean she she she said
02:32:04
Brian Atlasthat women don't have equal rights under the Constitution using a different sense of the word constitution it's a very weak Constitution to not be able to have
02:32:15
Brian Atlasa conversation without just shutting down every single time by the way the USA girl record worse than I did what' you say yeah next if I give it to you
02:32:26
Brian Atlasover there I don't understand the point of coming on the podcast if you know what you're getting into and then you're just going to leave she said she was coming in guns blazing 80 P shut down
02:32:36
Brian Atlasmultiple conversations the moment that she got a little bit outclassed conversationally uh but can we look at the right we couldn't talk took a lot of space on that side of the table now talk
02:32:47
Vanessa / Charseabout anything I was just going to say you can't rate yourself you do anything everything so now there's space over there conversationally conversationally yeah conversation you can definitely
02:32:59
Brian Atlasokay so we're going to yeah we will move you guys a little bit here so F I think why don't we like appreciate the Kila though yeah I think honestly easiest thing we'll just have you get out of
02:33:10
Brian Atlasyour seat you in the middle and you'll just take that seat right there I think actually here let me have you scoot over one and then we'll put you in that seat we'll do that all right sorry guys we're just playing musical chairs here guys
02:33:22
Brian Atlasthe only reason I I pushed back and I wanted her to stay is she had a bunch of notes other notes I wanted to get into um just kind of unfortunate oh by the way guys we are uh I
02:33:34
Brian Atlasguess we are gonna Nick you good back there Nick they're still dealing with her okay I don't
02:33:45
Brian Atlasknow is he gonna be okay yeah that'll be okay yeah that'll be fine um she had a lot of other I mean I can just read the notes really quick for those who are curious interested she we
02:33:56
Brian Atlaswon't get into it since she's not here but I'll just read them uh Charlie Charlie Kirk keeps saying uh that's not relevant uh he said he she did say she'd love to take on this little uneducated
02:34:07
Brian Atlasturd AKA Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk is a friend of the podcast by the way Chark rude rude I will defend Charlie Kirk AB Che thank you appreciate it we had uh
02:34:17
Brian Atlasshe also said I also have a theory that every pro-life argument you can make can also be made for the outlawing of guns that's ridiculous I would have loved to have got it that's why I was pushing
02:34:30
Brian Atlashard for her to stay so we could have got into the pro-life arguments can be made about out L the life of a gun starts a conception indeed are they going down the St when the gun when a
02:34:40
Brian Atlaswhen a little cult is in the womb anyways um when the little Smith and Wesson the little baby Smith and Wesson it's a fetal Smith and Wesson
02:34:52
Brian Atlasit's not fully not developed yet it's not fully it's not fully developed it's it can't survive outside the womb so can we take this moment to pull up debate
02:35:04
Brian AtlasUniversity yeah we could do it really quick guys debate university.com a debate university.com it is a program to teach you how to become a master
02:35:17
Brian Atlasdebater and uh there's 80 plus videos about six hours of instruction from the great Andrew Wilson and a couple other uh we have a couple other instructors so
02:35:28
Brian Atlasbe sure to check it out debate university.com Also let's get some of these chats going uh and we'll get into everybody else's notes I appreciate you guys being patient um but it was
02:35:40
Brian Atlasinteresting it was interesting to get into that that was really good MH uh rip um okay one sec guys let me just make sure sure I got everything oh the I need
02:35:53
Brian Atlasto still do that chat about Christianity which shouldn't take too long um he did ask uh if Christianity were true would you become a Christian just well first off who's a Christian show
02:36:06
Bellhands okay and then for you two if it were true would you become a Christian well if it were true it wouldn't be a religious belief it would be a science so it wouldn't I guess words okay what
02:36:18
Brian Atlasabout what about you I'm not not religious but if it if it were true sure mhm you don't think there's history though in the Bible there is
02:36:30
Bellokay so that doesn't make you don't think that that brings any kind of validity to Christianity there's no way to prove nor disprove any spiritual belief that's why it's a belief and not
02:36:40
Bella science um you can argue about whether the Bible does have some historical backing and sure you can sit there and argue about that but there is no definitive proof of a God or a heaven
02:36:52
Bellthat is why it's belief so there's no way to prove nor dis uh it's about EXC me yeah it's about faith it wouldn't be a religion otherwise but why else why have why else have a moral High Ground
02:37:03
Vanessa / Charseif there's nothing to hold you back from to be a good person but why if there's no moral height if we have no faith if we have nothing that matters for what our actions are which for me I as a
02:37:15
Vanessa / CharseChristian I live by my morals and values based on what I believe that mhm God would like me to but if I remove that then where my morals and values stand I don't need them right I can be I can be
02:37:28
Bella murderer I can do this because it doesn't matter because there's no consequences for me after so so that is just my that's my point so you would murder someone if you didn't get
02:37:40
Vanessa / Charsespiritual I'm saying what's the point of having morals and values of anything if there's no to be a good human being but why to be a good human being why do you need a reason to be a good
02:37:51
Bellperson why do you need a God to tell you to be a good person it's it's about how do you determine what is good that's based on every person my moral what I
02:38:01
Bellbelieve is morally right is you can't hold anybody to a standard then I agree so everybody can just do what they want if you want to be a serial killer be a serial killer I guess if that's what you decide you want to do that's not what I
02:38:13
Bellwould you wouldn't hold a serial killer to account uh the law would you wouldn't the law would yeah but you wouldn't depends no she would just put a hex on you I
02:38:25
Bellmean what would it depend on um I don't know I like the there was a serial killer that was a woman that went around killing rapists and I would say that that's a pretty gray morally gray area anyways I do have to move
02:38:38
Andrew Wilsonthings on I just want to ask one last question so is the good sorry I know I can't really stop talking on subject I'm sorry is the good the good what is good good depends on who you ask I'm asking
02:38:49
Bellyou what I believe is good is it good I personally try to put out as much good energy and good towards people is what you believe is good what is good I'm
02:39:02
Andrew Wilsonkind of confused on what the question is you believe you have a belief in what is good yeah is that good to me yes so the good is the good yeah so you just made a circular argument the thing I do have to move this the thing it is is what the
02:39:14
Brian Atlasthing it is because it's the thing yeah I don't really understand your argument finishing up with the rage quits notes here she said I wish she [ __ ] coward
02:39:28
Brian Atlasokay [ __ ] 31-year-old [ __ ] starting to cry because she her worldview is getting [ __ ] [ __ ] pushed in okay ran i' been off more than I
02:39:38
SPEAKER_13could Che I sent you a note that said that I'm a ra raw feminist and I was going to wreck the entire panel and then within 30 minutes I started breaking down and crying because a girl told me
02:39:51
Chrissy Clarkyou haven't even read the bill you [ __ ] idiot it's rough out here I like how you defined it without even hesitation and she had her notes I was really sad when she walked away not cuz I wanted to hear
02:40:03
Chrissy Clarkmore of her stupid arguments but because I wanted to provide an opportunity for her to ask questions so that I could tell her because one of the biggest lies that feminists get sold right now is that roow versus Wade outlawed abortion
02:40:14
Chrissy Clarkin America you believe how many women believe this and it's a lie it's a flat out Li what it does it gives rights back to the States so in my home state of Tennessee we can Outlaw abortions and in
02:40:25
Chrissy ClarkCalifornia right here you can abort your baby when it's born that is what undoing Row versus way did and I would just love to prove that point to somebody or have not even prove it but just have a
02:40:35
Chrissy Clarkconversation with her about it as opposed to it should have outlawed it at the federal level period for all states no and you can totally believe that but that's not what row versus Wade did
02:40:47
Brian Atlasright I just want to I agree with that yeah so I'll just get I'll do uh for those who are just tuning in lady Rage Quit she had a couple more notes I'll just read them we won't actually debate
02:41:00
Brian Atlasthem because she's not here but she said most men actually hate women I think that he brings on guys that have this conservative mindset and talk down
02:41:10
Brian Atlasto women because they are insecure men at their core I'm Catholic oh my oh God this is why I also want to get into the abortion conversation because she's pro-abortion Catholic um I'm Catholic
02:41:23
Brian Atlasand it's pretty disgusting how some of these guys quote the Bible to fit whatever narrative they want these non- denomination denominational Christians think they're the end all be all because they can quote the Bible but they
02:41:35
Brian Atlaswouldn't last an hour in a Catholic Church they literally cannot take our communion the Old Testament is an equivalent to fairy tales none of them are real I was hoping we could get to that cuz I'm Eastern Orthodox and I can
02:41:47
Brian Atlastake their communion they were meant to teach caution to people the golden rule is do on to others as you would have them do on to you and I don't think any of these men act that way she also said
02:41:59
Vanessa / CharseI had an ex poop on my hotel room floor when I was taking a shower how is that applicable come on he that story that's what I came on for
02:42:08
Brian Atlasthat that was the other thing um there was a lot in there though um I mean it sounds like a very man-hating yeah very men man yeah she said well she said most men
02:42:22
Brian Atlasactually hate women but I was just confused about the whole like I'm a Catholic I'm a Catholic but also pro-choice isn't aren't there's a lot of pro-choice Catholics yeah I'm I'm
02:42:34
Riley Risa / CharseCatholic and I'm Pro Cho I'm not like super religious but then again I'm also not like I don't know I think that there's like a limit I think both parties should have to agree for abortion personally now the dogma of the
02:42:46
Andrew Wilsonchurch does not support that so I I can already he in my head the Raging seething Catholic fans on both The Crucible and whatever podcast going no we don't Andrew listen the Dogma does not support it not saying the Catholic
02:42:58
Andrew Wilsondogma supports it clearly doesn't I'm just saying that there's a lot of people who identify as being Catholics who were baptized into the church who support abortion you can't argue with me there
02:43:07
TTS/DonationsCU it's true yeah but doesn't it Joan FD donated $200 the flight attendant is such in Bat faith I am reading the online instant
02:43:19
TTS/Donationscomments and I agree with a lot of them that she is enjoying just want to be argumentative with no substance yo uh Joanne Joan Joan Joan thank you
02:43:30
Andrew Wilsonappreciate the TTS thank you uh we won't linger too long on that specific topic I would like to ask about well maybe we can't but I'd like to ask how you can be
02:43:41
Vanessa / Charsepro-choice and Catholic though um we smell that that Devil's lettuce a little bit yeah little bit Devil's lettuce little bit of Devil's lettuce
02:43:54
Riley Risa / Charsegoing I I'm pro-choice meaning like there's an exception like if the woman's going to die from giving birth or something extreme like that I'm not like
02:44:06
Riley Risa / Charseoh yeah but that's not that's not an abortion necessary an entropic pregnancy would be a different category but then again I also think that there's a lot of problems with like the foster care
02:44:17
Riley Risa / Charsesystem um and and so I don't know I I know see I see both sides as the problem may may I speak to that um okay so I gave a baby away I'm actually in
02:44:29
KaylaCalifornia visiting the child I gave away 3 years ago because I have a 13-year-old daughter so obviously she was an old enough child to realize that I was pregnant whilst I was pregnant and the thing that I didn't realize until
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TTS/DonationsI've had so many conversations and you just ganic donated $200 it is a court ten of Catholicism that you cannot be Pro abortion in fact it is mandatory that you are
02:44:54
TTS/Donationsexcommunicated if you get one knowing that the penalty is excommunication GTFO well I personally wouldn't have an abortion because I
02:45:04
Riley Risa / Charsewouldn't put myself in that situation to have a baby if I wasn't ready to have a baby and able to take care of a baby um but I think that there are certain circumstances for example I we're not
02:45:16
Andrew Wilsonsupposed to talk about it but like in this circumstances of sa yes okay let me ask you a question so this is I'm going to do I hate doing this on behalf of big
02:45:28
Andrew Wilsonha hat Catholics but I'm going to do it anyway okay the Catholic dogma supports that life begins a conception MH if you were to get essayed horribly and then
02:45:39
Andrew Wilsonyou went home to your already existing child and killed your already existing child would that be justified no why see that's hang on
02:45:49
Riley Risa / Charsewhy because I the child I don't necessarily believe I don't know you got me there okay I'll give you that to you that is a wildly different comparison is it
02:46:01
Andrew Wilsonthere's still I understand let's let's find out let's find out if the logic is the same in both cases so hang on let me ask let me ask the question to you okay
02:46:12
Andrew Wilsonassume for a second you believed life began at conception MH okay if you were SA could you go home and could you kill one of your children who was already
02:46:24
Bellborn asking a woman to go through the trauma of giving birth to a baby that she was ESS and going home and killing a child is a completely different topic yeah so anyway so back to my a lot more
02:46:36
Andrew WilsonNuance before we get to the aisc of nonsense let's get in to the actual question would you be justified if you believe life began at
02:46:46
Andrew Wilsonconception you this is your core belief begins at conception okay if you were essed could you go home and kill one of your children because of the trauma of the essay or would you be held
02:46:58
Andrew Wilsonresponsible for that you legally be held responsible that's right well and morally held responsible so what is the
02:47:05
Belldistinction between that life and this life again asking a woman to carry a
02:47:13
Bellchild to term with her essayer child to term is considerably different than her going home and killing a child that she has no previous trauma with the
02:47:24
Andrew Wilsonconception of Life Justified for you to kill life uh exit the womb because it's life this is your belief then how would it be justified for you to kill it in the womb if this is your belief well I
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Andrew Wilsondon't believe in life at conception person I understand which is why I'm I gave you the caveat if you believed X if you believe that life begins at conception what would be the distinction
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Bellbetween killing it in the womb and killing it exit the wound again the only thing that I would say is the trauma because you don't have you don't you don't prior trauma with that child
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Andrew Wilsonhome if it was based on trauma then why couldn't you then do it based on the same trauma to somebody who's already born that makes no sense because if trauma is the justification for the
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Bellkilling of the life then why couldn't you do it to somebody else because that child isn't causing you trauma the child that's already home is not causing you trauma you're not going to you're not going to go through going home to a
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Bellchild after you got ESS is not going to cause you trauma giving birth to someone so you go home and your child looks just like your essayer even though they weren't born with him they look just like him and it's causing you trauma are
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Andrew Wilsonyou Justified and taking that child's life no why because I believe that that is a human life I don't believe but if you believed that it was at conception a human life yeah I understand why how
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Andrew Wilsoncould you reconcile these two positions I understand why people are pro-life however I disagree on concept okay I get it I'm not talking about your belief I'm
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Andrew Wilsonsaying a Catholic believes life begins at conception that is a human life at conception if you believe it's a human life a conception how can you make an exception for sa if if you were essay
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Andrew Wilsonand had Trauma from that you could not then go home and kill somebody who was not in your womb what would be the distinction there I just think it's a more nuanced topic yeah I know but can you answer to my question and then we'll get into your
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Andrew Wilsonworldview okay let me put myself so I'm a Catholic I obviously wouldn't kill the baby because because right it's against your belief system right it wouldn't make any sense it it wouldn't make any sense to do yeah yeah from your belief